Total War General

>Try to google whether you can confederate in Shogun 2
>Find A Confederate in Satsuma by DeathscytheVII: A Shogun Fan Fiction instead

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>mfw patiently waiting to murder Queek

>>172004423
You mean patiently waiting for Queek to murder you like a bitch?

Final Fantasy 7 was 20 years ago.

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>Me back when TW:W was first announced:
"4 races, you gotta be fucking kidding me what a blatant DLC grab, no skaven, lizards or elves? Never gonna play that piece of shit"
>Me right before release:
"I'm kinda bored, need to scratch that warhammer itch, may as well buy it to get chaos. might be fun"
>Me now
*sucking CA's cock* "more DLC pls masters"

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>>172004423
>replace dead gobbos with dead rats
So sad we dont have 1v1v1v1 in TW

I want to see Skinks v Gobbos v Rats v Dwarfs

Battle of the midgets

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"Do not shame your ancestors!"
-Dorf, as he gallantly chicken out and receive surprise butt sex

>>172004946
The goblins win because Skarsnik.

Any news at all about the next historical title?

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>>172004939
Because these factions are fun, and the history ones are not. SO people play TWW and even when CA are dicks they make good content because its fun, whereas people play history TW games and they are boring and then shitty DLC comes out and everyone is even more jaded.

You pay the same amount to get 3 to 5 reskinned factions in history DLC. In this you pay for a single faction, but its actually unique, actually fun, and not bound by the lameness that is history.

Reminder to report and ignore tripfagging

>>172005328
What we know for sure
>Factions will be more diverse than previous historical TW games
>Leaders will be more diverse as well, similar to TWW
>Its entered the first stages of production, which means timeline is set and the game is being made, not just researching it anymore
>They're working on new animations

What we suspect
>Its Renaissance

>>172004939
At least Warhammer DLC feels like actual additional content compared to most historical DLC. You don't just get a reskin, slightly different stats, maybe one or two new units, and a different starting position. Warhammer DLC is always a brand new roster, abilities, very different stats, campaign goals, etc.

This is the first Total War DLC that I've never really had to think twice about.

>>172005328
Last I heard was that they have started on early asset production.

>>172005536
Reminder to report and hide off topic replies

>>172005609
>>172005616
got any sources?

>>172005609
>They're working on new animations
Curved swords confirmed
Middle East Total War from Caucasus mountains to India

>>172005656
>Female skaven
>Not looking like a giant mass of flesh

On something from the last thread:

Dismounted Knights would not be better at everything than say, spearmen. They'd be clearly superior to men-at-arms with swords, but they wouldn't have the same bonus to large, and would probably be rather slow compared to even most Bretonnian infantry. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a smaller unit size as well. Saying that there'd be no reason between them and Foot Squires for Men-At-Arms is like saying that at some point you don't need Crossbowmen and Spearmen for the Empire, just Greatswords.

>>172005702
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/192834/what-the-teams-are-working-on-17-03-2017

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>>172005797

Not in my magical realm.

>>172005925
So they'd be somewhere between Aspiring Champions and Foot Squawks?

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>>172004939
I honestly think CA is having some fun making something that's not straight-up historical - playing with buffs and magic and other things like that.

I'm not saying that history is bland and lifeless - I fucking love history - but there's probably so much more room for creativity in a fictional setting compared to the real world, especially one as over-the-top as Warhammer.

>>172005959
Sweet, thanks my man

>>172005925
But why dismounted knights? Why not just an alternative version of Foot Squires (maybe even as a RoR). Bretonnian Knights fight mounted. That's their lore. Giving mounted units a dismount option could also fuck up game balance with how the anti-large bonuses work so that is also unlikely to be added to the game anytime soon.

>>172006302
No problem famallama

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>>172006152
That's what I'd more or less try to have them be like, yeah. Set them up in ways so that they can't quite function on their own, and need peasant infantry to help bulk them up or work alongside. Maybe dismounted knights wouldn't be risked to a charge, but instead wade their way in after the battle lines are joined for some extra staying power and a little anti-armor - though Polearms and Foot Squires would still have to be the main anti-armor infantry.

In an ideal world, I'd also get to add Tristan le Troubadour and Bertrand le Brigand and his men, but by that point someone would drag me away from the design board before I made Bretonnians OP.

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>>172006368
They don't have to have a dismount option, though it would be cool for Questing Knights if they didn't already have Foot Squires as they are. They could just be an elite infantry choice, maybe one you can only take a limited number of.

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R8/H8 my mods for my ERE campaign (VH)

>All occupation & diplomacy options (except hun settling)
>unlimited governors
>more deployables for fortified stance or sieges
>barricades 3x stronger
>1.5x garrisons
>Sassanid parthian shot
>AI colonisation

any i should add/delete?

>>172006889
delete
>1.5x garrisons
>barricades 3x stronger

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first time I think I've ever seen this level of this trait chain in attila

>>172006889
forgot to mention i also have

>Sebidee's army stance rework
>Imperium diplomatic effects reduced

>ignore five consecutive offers for a peace treaty from Mannfred
>sixth turn he doesn't send me one
>out of the fog of war comes five 20 stacks of vampires
Wait no

>>172006689
I just don't see it being likely. Armies made up of 4-6 foot knights just isn't going to fit the lore. Even limiting it to 2-3 units like Aspiring champions feels a bit much as it reduces the emphasis on the faction focus of mounted knights. I could see a Foot Squire RoR that is actually a unit of knights and not peasants, but not a general unit you can select more than once.

Deleted and reposted to fix a typo

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Rock the boat!

>>172005797
Apparently the white ones get spared being turned into breeding mounds?

Guys

my launcher keeps freezing for me, and some mods won't update (They are either stuck at the start or edge and won't complete)

I can get the launcher to un-freeze and disable those mods but everytime I try to start a campaign it crashes for me in the loading screen

any suggestions?

>>172005609
>renaissance

The strongest piece of evidence i've seen so far is the fact that CA referred to various "personalities". Really notable world leaders, in the same vein as Alexander, Napoleon, and Attila. This leads me to believe it's either the Renaissance or the Industrial era. Those are both full of amazing historical figures and fit in to time periods CA has yet to cover.

Or, shit. Maybe the China posters are right and it's a Three Kingdoms game.

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I enjoy Beastmen way too much
>Minos + Gorebull + charge buffs+ attack buffs = brakeless rape train
>recently also got Helm of discord, basically turn enemy into wet noodles
Dorfs won the badlandbow but too bad Chaos warrior rolls into badland too early so there's barely anyone I can fight

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>>172007224
To be fair, how do Foot Squires fit the lore? Hippogryph Knights can be justified, but they didn't exist before Total Warhammer, in the lore or on the tabletop (at least, not on a squad basis).

It is true that I feel like Bretonnia has a stupidly large number of infantry units - especially since two pairs are just flavors of 'shield or no shield.' And I'd be willing to accept a unit of Foot Knights as an RoR, if push came to shove. But Foot Knights are something that I've been wanting for a long time, and reminding me of Aspiring Champions and how they work out makes me only want them more, since having a something like that for Bretonnia - very small unit size, but good units - sounds great.

>>172007705
This announcement is very obviously a teaser to try and hint at both New World expansion and Renaissance

And if the leaked video is true, which we will know in 6 days, it starts with a bunch of conquistadors walking along a beach and into a jungle hinting at renaissance hard as fuck until lizardmen pop out.

>>172007707
Beastmen are way too damn fun
>straightforward go-as-you-like campaign
>exciting kinetic battles

>>172007464
Uninstall all mods
Do a verify cache

Crashing during loading means something is fucking up the load order, so either something is missing, or something there is fucking it up.

Alternatively its a memory problem

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Don't mind me, I'm just the most overpowered unit in any Total War game

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>>172008619
Yeah no

Shogun is too R/P/S to have any overpowered units.

>>172008619
I think you meant to post yari ashigaru

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>>172008619
I'm sorry, what?

>>172008193
Foot Squires are still peasants. They could be explain as being the favorites of a Lord's army. Given additional equipment and training as their Lord expects them to do more than just distracting the enemy army while the Lord and his entourage rides around having fun.

Hippogryph Knights is tougher to explain, but at least it fits within the faction theme if not the exact lore. A small army of dismounted knights goes against both.

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>>172008842
Im sorry what?

>>172009050
Fite me IRL and not in warscape and see what happens, scrublord. I'm ripped.

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>>172009205
fuggin bring it ya slimy git

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>Fall of man quest battle
>both force of Bret and Emp rush toward me
>Ally AI just casually stroll in without care
>I did the battle all by myself and lost 2 of my elite Minos
Fucking useless piece of shit. The later part where the flying reinforce comes from my back is just pure annoyance

>>172008263
True, playing hide&seek in the early campaign then guerilla the fuck out of settlement based factions is pretty thrilling.
I am not too good at strategy nor cunning enough to effectively surround/flank enemy force, so head-on in-your-face brawling with minos is right up my alley

>>172009050
It's not release anymore, there's a bunch of things that make Chicken K'nuggets look like babies now

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>>172008619
>>172008842
>>172009050
I'm sorry, what?

>>172009050

demimemes aren't memes anymore.

>>172009362
Not really, the halberd variant are still pretty fucking good against everything.

Even the flying Hippo knights lose to them.

OP VC need not apply.

>>172008619
Whatever the city police unit from Rome 1 was. Urban Legion or something. Jaysus they'd fuckpound every there.

>>172008687
R/P/S only works when all sides are equal. Bows are pretty dogshit in Shogun 2, elite bow units like bow samurai/monks are only good at killing ashigaru, even then they may still lose when the distance is closed

>>172009513
My strat is to hold them down with nagi sam and then shoot the piss out of them with monks or bow sam. My dudes armor usually keeps my guys safe.

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>>172009513
>R/P/S only works when all sides are equal.
Come on anon you're not fooling anyone. S2 is so RPS it makes Honor look unique.

>>172009665
It tries to be RPS, it doesn't work very well

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At first I thought this was a stupid idea

But honestly, I think CA could get it to work. If they treated ranged fighting as a bit of an interlude before melee begins it could be quite fun.

>>172009845
I think they could
But I don't think they should

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>>172008913
I don't see why it does, especially when you can argue that the moment Foot Squires were included they were breaking rules on what was in the lore and what goes against the faction theme. If they had had dismounted knights instead of Foot Squires, I don't think we'd be having this discussion.

Foot Squires could be explained in a number of ways, but they didn't exist in the lore before and CA isn't really trying to explain them well. Hippogryph knights fit roundaboutly, but they make sense - lots of lords and paladins could take them as a mount, just get enough of those guys together for a small squad. Dismounted knights were once on the tabletop, and were once in the lore, and all it would take is a little polishing to make them fit again.

Don't think of them as a small army like most units; don't even think of them as knight-sized unit but without the cavalry. Think like Aspiring Champions, but for Bretonnians. Not 90 men, not even 45 men, but 12 - maybe 18 if you aren't giving them the same buffs.

>>172009425
>large unit loses vs anti-large unit

stop the presses!

>>172009513
>bows are shit in a game where there isn't a single unit with shields

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>>172009883
but its so cool

and relic is so dead

>>172009970
Naginata samurai are like walking shields

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>>172009992

>Tfw no Armegeddon video with Steel Legion vs Greenskins

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>>172009992
Anon, you're thinking with rose-tinted glasses of how awesome it would be to have lines of Imperial Guardsmen supported by Space Marines holding the line against waves of Greenskins, with giant-sized Titans clashing around them.

What you aren't thinking about is that 40k has been getting all that new lore shit, and CA would feel obligated/GW would bully them into including all that if they ever made a 40k game. It would be pandering about all the new units and models coming out, not what you actually want.

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>>172009967

>but they didn't exist in the lore before

>>172010252
Good point. Imagine how different TW:W would be if WHFB was an actively maintained line with a new edition coming out (for example)

>>172009845
Like machine guns going off before the clash.
Like Hastati.

>>172010257
>Every knight must needs maintain a retinue.

>>172010257
Anon, I....you're pointing me to old lore about when squires were a unit of archers/cavalry, that would eventually become Yeoman and Yeoman Archers - and in that old lore, it specifically says they fight with hunting weapons, spears and bows, and as skirmishers. It's like looking back to when Bretonnia was closer to 17th century France than Arthurian England and using it as justification for giving Bretonnians musket-armed line infantry.

Squires as armored infantry with two-handed swords did not exist in the lore at any point. You are arguing on behalf of a name - if they had simply called them Yeomen back then as they later would, you would lose all justification for being able to make that argument.

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Why am I struggling so much on Multiplayer. You get matched with pretty much anyone on Quick Match right? What are the odds of finding beginners without having to get my shit handed 15 times prior?

I want a 40k total war so I can spread the greater good

I would prefer it be over multiple planets with one or two provinces. Just for theme

>>172011410
If you want an ego boost, I'm an absolute trash beginner. We could duke it out. In the morning though. I gotta go to bed.

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>>172011480
Hey sure man. My steam is LORD OF THE GAME

>>172003923
What do you suppose to do with Snarksik after rushing to Eight Peaks and securing the southwestern portion of the map? Should I go towards Dwarven heartlands or remove the ghost dwarves and Tilea?

>>172011437
Planets as the new provinces with countries as settlements?

>>172011745
Tilea's good if you wanna bide your time and get your tech going. Fighting dwarfs sucks without proper orcs and armor piercing
If you're comfortable try helping out the greenskins if they're still alive and confederating them into your faction

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>>172011745
>Rushing to Eight Peaks without taking anything else
Why though?

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>>172011913
Led to this a couple turns later

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G O B L I N S

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Is Grimgor kickin that big spiky git Archaeon in da janglies da best fing Orckind 'az ever dun?

>>172011913
>>172012008
Someone told me in a previous thread it is a good strategy. also I got lucked out and all other orc tribes in that area joined the conferedeation by Turn 30

>>172011873
There is no other greenskin faction left but me. I confederated them all and dwarves destroyed a couple of them. and I have zero technology because of rushing. I need a turtling strategy.

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What are some gameplay elements you would want to see in total war?

Personally mine are:
>Global population - Taking too many losses hurts your replenishment rate/economy with time and it will need a couple of terms to bounce back.

>Empire-wide moral - Victories and Defeats affect your global moral: Having a heroic victory against a stronger force increases leadership of all your units while facing defeats against weaker enemies leads to war weariness.

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guys some of my twwh mods won't update fully and it causes crashes for me in my saved campaigns

wat do

>>172012552
Forgot to add: Both of those things reward players that win and punish those that lose so I would like to some events that could, by chance, trigger. For example, after a close defeat your people develop a desperate defiance of the enemy which would increase their moral instead of hurting it.

>>172011769
Yeah there you go. Would be pretty rad if you ask me.

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>>172007707
>That's one for the Book

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>Vlad has vanguard for all units
>put them right in front of enemy
Maximum spooky

>>172012552
>Global population.
I'm having flashbacks of Victoria 2.
Every 5 years 2% of France's and Russia's poor would die from mobilization. All over the stupid fucking Alsace-Lothringen.
Not even every 5. If I saved and reloaded, they would break the peace treaty. There's nothing stopping you from doing it if you have a permanent core on the land, but it's still a massive diplo-hit and war exhaustion.

>>172012679

start new campaigns with the updated mods

>>172012318
Yes, Yes it is.

Why didnt Skarsnik ever get Grimgor a mount for HIS Birthday?!

LUSTRIA RACES STUPIDLY OVERPOWERED, ESPECIALLY LIZARDMEN, CALLING IT NOW.

Dem boys will have 100 leadership.

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It's literally only turn 30, this Legendary bloody handz campaign ahs been way too easy

>>172012552
L O G I S T I C S

Like, fucking hell CA, this is a game about warfare, and you have literally zero logistics involved.

Where is my supply chains? Where is my population where I draw troops from? Why is my empire able to magically make the items each unit needs on unit creation? Why dont I need iron and places to smelt it? Why dont I have to transport those goods to soldiers? Why do armies magically regen in your lands instead of getting reinforced by new recruits who have to move across the land themselves? It makes so much fucking sense to have each unit made of units that as they die off, veteran ranks decreases, and as they survive and win battles, they gain veteran ranks. Why cant I attack supply lines to stop enemy armies reinforcing? Why dont armies need food? why dont they need medical supplies? why dont they need rest after long marches and battles, why is it only determined by a single turn of forced/unforced marching?

Im not saying turn the game into HoI/EU, but holy fuck is the campaign light on for content when it has no reason to be. Warfare is entirely based on strategy, tactics and logistics and current the only thing going for TW is the tactics part.

>>172014683
Bloodyhell anon, what're you fielding then?

>>172007705
>factions more diverse
>"clearly it is arr rook same"

Might as well make American Civil War- Total War if having a lot of generals and statesmen is all you need.

>>172014807
Just basic savage boyz still

Thing is that Greenskinz just decided to confederate, giving me an extra 6 settlements

>>172014549
From what im reading lizardmen appear to be crazy OP what is their weakness? They have near limitless numbers unbreakable moral the best magic of any creature. inb4 on the campaign map they only get units are fixed intervals of varying quantity and quality.

>>172014683
I have a theory running at the moment that I think Legendary is actually broken. The AI is entirely passive and will rarely upgrade its units, or have any sense of 'progress' at all really.

I dont know what CA did, but at release the AI was like bloodhounds, if you became weak EVERYONE would descend on you, and that was true against AIs as well.

Now they just sit in their bases doing nothing.

>>172014938
Lack of numbers. I suspect there will be a spawning pool mechanic, and you can only recruit in slow and small numbers. They also heavily rely on some core damage dealers, yes the majority of their troops are tough as fuck and take forever to kill but they cant dish out damage like a HE faction can.

Its sort of why Skaven and Lizards are enemies in being polar opposites. Lizards are tough as fuck but field small groups, while Skaven are wet paper but have thousands and thousands of soldiers.

>>172014938
Lorewise it seems like the Skaven are the only folks that can hurt them, and even that got turned on its head.

I cannot think of any real weaknesses, like at all they could be given in TW

>>172014938
Only able to replenish and recruit units in home territories I bet.

>>172014938
1. Slow as fuck, like dwarfs
2. No damage, rely on attrition
3. No good range
4. No good arty
5. Pretty piss poor cav and flying units

In other words; what beats dwarfs beats lizardmen. Just dont get caught in melee with their core units no matter what or you lose.

Now taking one of their settlements, thats going to be a fucking nightmare.

>>172015626
Speaking of settlements, it would be hilarious if Lizardmen got a -10000 diplomacy hit with any faction that sacks one of their settlements. It's to replicate that Lizardmen get pissed when someone steals the gold with sacred shit written on it. Bonus points if the game forces you to annihilate any AI faction that sacks one of your settlements when playing as the Lizardmen.

>>172014938

Few ranged options, those they do have are close range.

Saurus are about as slow as Dwarfs, Skinks are about as fast as Elves, nothing in the middle.

>>172014804
I really would love if the settlement building was more akin to civ (as in, for example, have production which determines how fast you can build a unit)

>>172016006

Forgot to mention that Skinks are low leadership and easy to route, so outmanuevering a Lizardmen army isn't diffcult.

The only real fast options Lizards have are Terradon/Ripperdactyl Riders, Cold One Cavalry are about as fast as Boar Boys.

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>>172003923
>lorefags on /tg/ are saying my favorite hero is a literal who

o-ok ...

>>172016350

He is a literal who though.

>>172016350

Yup anon he's a nobody, if you love him so much you should feel lucky he exists at all.

The supplement he is from revolves around Volkmar the Grim's battle with Mannfred. Helman has only 1 page of lore in the entire history of Warhammer in that book.

>>172014337
That was the best part though

>>172016375
>>172016472

well, I'm glad they included with because I finished my first legendary campaign with him. we've spent 300 turns together, its a lot of time.

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>>172003923
>https://comingsoon.totalwar.com/

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>>172017078

What if it is just Lustria and Lizardmen?

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It's pretty lonely here...

So I've always wondered.
What does my leader's aura bestow other than a shitty +5 leadership?
I'm not about to invest 3 points to get brass lunged as Franz if that's all it does.

>>172017250
What if its some sort of Renaissance era total war taking place between 1500 and like 1700. And CA made that image to make everyone think its lizardmen?

>>172017250
Shit better be no more than $30, comes with a mini campaign, three LLs to start, and Lizardmen RoR

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>>172017423
>points into aura size

>>172017539
No RoR, mini campaign only, Final Destination.

>>172017423
Holy Christ.
It is only a +8 leadership.
Get a fucking JOB!

>>172017427
please dont get my hopes up

Man I fucking suck at Orcs
Managed to beat all the others just fine on VH, but wherever I go with these guys I just get doomstacked from the other side. Plus all I can build so far is just basic Boyz

>>172018069
Yeah, something about how I play gives me a hard time with some factions, Chaos and Greenskins being the main ones. I go back and forth between "this isn't fun so why play them?" and "I must persevere and maybe learn something!".

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>>172017427
You know as well as I do that it's about warhams. history not until next year at least

>>172018069
my best orc campaign I camped for ages (boring af) until I could get one good black orc army, then I steamrolled the badlands in zero time making up for time.
I was probably lucky though and was barely attacked during this time

holy fuck i cant stop killing persians

>>172018069
Orcs on legendary are ezpz, you just gotta get good my man

If you REALLY need an easier time, pick savage orcs and breeze through the ENTIRE game using nothing but the basic unit all for 11 skillooints or so

>Weapon strength: +12% for melee infantry units
>Melee attack: +12 for Savage Orc units AND +12 Charge bonus for Savage Orc units
>Melee attack: +12 for Savage Orc units AND +10 Charge bonus for Savage Orc units
>+25 charge bonus for being in Wurrzag's army

That means your BASIC savage orc gets

>39 melee damage
>74 charge
>52 melee attack

All for, what, 550 and 80 upkeep? YOUR ENTIRE ARMY HAS BETTER OFFENSIVE POWER THAN UNBUFFED GRAIL KNIGHTS (39 melee damage / 82 charge / 40 melee attack)

Let's not even talk about Big Uns, now that's where things get crazy

>>172018993
Damn son
Fuck Grimgor I'm rolling this

Any idea how to counter archer cavalry?

>>172019335
Arrer boyz

>>172019335
Wolf riders should be faster than them and able to deal with most things, or at least hold them in place while the Boar riders get there.

>>172019463
>bothering with wolf riders and boar boyz

pshh, just need more arrer boyz and savage orc boyz

>>172004423
>Gets murdered by queek

The hell am I supposed to use empire captains for in battle?
They get wrecked by anything I send them at it seems.

If TWWH2 is actually revealed on the 31st then release will probably be sometime in September.

>High Elves
>Dark Elves
>Lizardmen
>Skaven

Pre-Order
>Dogs of War (Tilea/Estalia)

am I missing something or can peasant economy be totally ignored in favor of slightly less lucrative industrial economy?

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IF OUR LORD IS T'BECOME KING I save nearly every battle as a replay and then never watch them

>>172018993

Yeah but only Wurzzag gets anything to boost Savage Orcs. There is no generic lord equivalent.

>>172015626

>piss poor cav

Is cav really a weak point for lizards?
They have cold one cav to run over armoured infantry, flying cav for eating skirmishers, more flying cav that is essentially a low-armour gyro and finally their lords have a good selection of mounts to give them mobility on top of tremendous killing power.
Just thinking of what the animations will be like on that T-rex mount gives me a semi.

>>172019852
>ignore farms
>can't double-up econ buildings

>>172006223
room for creativity that they don't use at all, there are literally like 2 spells in the game, a lame vortex and a lame projectile, the game is incredibly bland and "safe"

where are varied schools of magic with crazy spells? where are interesting campaign map mechanics? where are battle maps that are actually fantastical and twisted? chaos corruption is just a red tint, undead corruption is just a green tint, both of those only give minor attrition

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Stop playing fantasy

So how do I get my retarded Baersonling vassals to take a town? I raid it to wipe out the garrisons with them, then they just keep raiding them outside the town.

>>172012552
total war empire had that, kinda, if you won a heroic victory your public order would go up from "patriotic fervour"

Do you guys think the Old Friend will have some relevance to TWWH2?

Seems weird they're getting announced after TWWH2 is.

>>172006223
ahh this image brings me back

Good ol warhamme 6e

Does cavalry in TWW feel slower than other games in general or is it just the Reiksguard I'm using?

>>172019914
piss poor cav is a meme that comes form tabletop game

saurus cav was pretty solid. however in a world where nearly half of factions had some kind of op or underpriced cav unit, or some equivalent, surus cav was nothing to write home about. Also fact, that lizardmen had stegadons that could fill similar role better or cheaper, didnt help either.

>>172020138
Baersonlings practically never ever expand. They're there for replenishment and that's it. And I hope you're aware that they can't even settle outside Norsca.

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>>172020205
>getting announced after TWWH2 is

SteamDB shows CA has had a release candidate and now 2 iterations of an internal QA build for a TWWH DLC. I'd be willing to bet Old Friend is revealed along with TWWH2 and released not long after.

And yeah it seems like it'll be related some how to the sequel but for the life of me I can't figure that one out. All I know is that I'll be fucking pissed if Empire doesn't get a 4th LL and an alternate start.

>>172020294
I'm trying to hand hold them to at least get this one province then give them some cash to be a little self sufficient. Though I guess just heading straight to mess up the big tribes until they submit may be a better use of time.

>>172014804
You do realize, that AI is too stupid to take care of all this, so they'd just be coded to ignore it like they do with public order, diplomacy restrictions, income, LL management etc.

>>172020090

CA was being incredibly careful with magic, and rightly so.
Look at release Bjuna or Devolve.
Magic plays a large part in battles, whether its buffing the shit out of your lines, healing your elites or fucking up entire units.
I think the only issue is that some spells stand out more than others, and those that do are game-changing as opposed to game-affecting. See: Net of Amyntok, Wind of Death, Foot of Gork.
CA would probably like to implement more shit straight out of the lore, but it seems like they struggle to make magic unique, impactful and balanced. They can only pick two.
Once we get lizards and HE with High Magic which contain a metric ton of FUCK YOU as opposed to weedy buffs and shitty vortexes, then maybe we can see some buffs/changes to normal magic to make it not quite as paltry, as the multiplayer crowd with have something way more gay to whinge about.

>>172020397
That's a waste of time. They' have no use outside of being an early base of operations, and often gets wiped out after a while anyway. Don't use too much time in the rest of Norsca either, it's not worth it. The easiest way is to wipe out Varg and befriend Skaleling so you have one big tribe behind you. If they attack Baresonlings, just let them.

>>172015868
Annihilate? No, it should require you to at least get the same amount of gold (sacred shit) back, either by raiding, sacking or from battle rewards.

I played mannfred and get bored after 20 turns, but somehow really enjoy vlad&izzy. How should I build these 2? They look like spellcasting type but there's also attack and defense buffs for them

>>172014549
And no armor.
Crossbows to the rescue, boys.

>>172020614
*scaly-skin's you*

>>172015626
>Slow
Why?

>>172020684
Dinosaurs aren't renown for their speed.

>>172020684
You can run faster than every reptile.
Iguanas top out at 21 mph.

>>172020725
then you don't know shit about dinosaurs

>>172019894
Doesn't really matter. All savage orcs in his faction get crazy recovery boost that scales with the number of province capitals you control. They recover about as fast as undead with full undying horde. Use Wurrzag as a scalpel and the rest of your stacks as a heavy bludgeon.

>>172020757
I'm sorry you have autism.

>>172020725
But birds are hella fast anon

>>172020781
>crazy recovery boost that scales with the number of province capitals you control

I'm not aware of this

>>172020826
We're talking big lumbering triceratops and stuff here.

>>172020750
I cannot outrun a man sized raptor anon. I assure you.
Plus skinks are zippy as hell, theyre going to be like Goblins and ungors but l9yal, god help us.

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>>172020852
Yeah, but it's only for savage orcs. So I usually formed a frontline out of them even when Black Orcs would be theoretically better. And I had normal boar biguns for that anti-large. In my legendary wurrzag playthrough my armies mostly looked something like this.

>>172020942

What's the chariot for?

Let's play a fun game, it's called ...

Guess That Iconic Unit or Lord Who Wont Appear in the Base Game but Will in a Later DLC!

Lizardmen
>Stegadon
High Elves
>White Lions of Chrace
Dark Elves
>Kharibdyss
Skaven
>Doomwheel

>>172021220
For sick charges through the enemy infantry ranks, a good one just destroys their morale and models. Also gives me something fun to micro.

>>172021339
>White Lions of Chrace
Hell no, those guys are the coolest.

>>172017078
>it's historical America: Total War
>includes all the indigenious tribes and civilisations from both americas
>conquistadors work like chaos in Warhammer

>>172021339

>Skaven

Too many to choose from tbqh

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>>172021339

God i fucking hate Skaven but they have so much cool shit.

>>172020283
They only seem slow when I'm looking at them, as soon as I move the camera somewhere else they already managed to run around and fuck up my artillery.

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>>172021339
>>172021421

Nah Skaven are gonna be the fucking Vampires of the sequel. Full roster, tons of great lords through FLC and DLC because they're the pet faction of the devs.

>>172021339
>Kharibdyss
>Iconic

>>172020354
>tfw Old Friend is an Empire LL
>is actually a mercenary
>alternative start in Lustria
>it's Marco Colombo

In all honesty, it should be Long Drong and his slayer pirates.

I am so excited for the expansion TWW is the best game in recent years.

Any idea what the pre-order DLC might be?

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I hope the New World gets some conquistador/pirate themed units.

Yeah I can't wait for a total war game set in fucking jungles again

>view battle
>can't see anything

>>172022054
Pirate zombies plz

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>>172022271

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How will you play the expansion in your first play though?
Will you play it with the big combined map or will you play your first campaign only with the new map?

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Ancient Empires NEVER holy fucking shit stop trying already

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What goes on here? I know there are chaos mongols, but what happens there? Seems like an even worse place than norsca because there is no sea separating the steppes from the chaos wastes.

What's up with the legendary AI being much more braindead this patch, especially after the final Chaos invasions?

>>172020354
>an old friend
A new empire legendary hero available temporarily for recruitment when you have the Colleges of magic. A long time friend of the Empire who helped defend against Chaos at Kislev which will also be playable. None other than Teclis.

Ties in with new world. You know it makes sense, they can transition him to new faction as we've seen done with vlad.

>>172022496
Depends on what they reveal and what faction mechanics interest me the most.

>>172021419
I would be most hype for this or Bronze age.

>>172021339
Oh man, I forgot about those white lions, wonder how they'll do hem, just a mixed unit with one set stats or like Rome2/Attila's dogs.

>>172022628
Big steppes filled with monsters and throatsinging chaos huns, crazy savage orcs and wolf-riding hobgoblin mongolians.

The Tamurkhan campaign book does give some details on some of the tribal alliances and such. But it's never really described in depth.

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>>172005328
historical titles are history

Medieval 3 when? Empire 2 when? no more fantasy shit please.

>>172023172
Stop whining, neither will be here before 2018, if not 2019.

>>172023224
Sorry bro.

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>>172023172
>mfw China shitters get what they want and we won't have an European Total War for several years

>>172023172
>literally one fantasy total war ever out of about a dozen titles
>CAN WE STOP IT WITH THE FANTASY SHIT

>>172023172
I feel your desperation but what's the point? you still have amazing mods and a lot of titles to play.

>>172022783
>Bronze age
>the game ends with a Thera eruption that fucks you up beyond repair while endless stacks of migrating tribes assault you on all fronts
I'd play it.

Total War: Finland WHEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJhi43RntJk

>>172023470

You have Attila for that.

>>172023409
I just don't want an elves and dwarfs total war.

>>172020492
Anyone?
Maybe Vlad with all spells and Izzy being melee specialist?

>>172022783
>>172023448
>bronze age total war set in the levant

my dick

>Gilgamesh story campaign

>>172022223
God I hate forest battles.
I know there's an option for removing foliage but even that doesn't go far enough. The only thing I want to see is the tree trunks.

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I wonder why I bother playing multiplayer, before this it was 5 steam tanks

>>172023768
>playing multiplayer TW
>ever

>>172023768
Must've been fun

>same 5 factions asking for a military alliance every turn
holy shit why can't I turn this off somehow. and I'm only 13 turns in with no diplo bonuses

>>172019852

You suffer replenishment debuffs and shit too if your peasant economy goes over.

>>172023768
Its a shame but multiplayer sucks dicks.
They need to implement army limitations and/or an attack/defend mechanic for it. And army selection before queue so you have to take something balanced instead of custom building for opponent.

>>172023975
Yeah, a retarded AI is da best.

>>172022223
>>172023619
They could have just make the unit flags rise above the trees so players get to know where they are. Even the fucking trees block the flags and AI can see-all-know-all, which is beyond bullshit.

>>172023768
ahhh I remember my good ol shogun 2 MP days

>14-16 units of matchlock ashigaru
>1 mangonel (cannon after the mangonel nerf)
>2-4 units of spear cavalry

My god you should have seen those games

>>172024170
trees block flags in real life too

>>172024170
I just go full viking through the trees.

Old Testament: Total War would be fun.

>Egypt
>Assyria
>Babylon
>Persia
>Israelites
>Moabites
>Edomites
>Philistines
>Myceneans/early Greeks

The closest thing we have to a Biblical TW is the Rise of Persia mod for Rome.

>>172022496
On the big combined campaign map.
I always choose the biggest map. In my first game in Civ 5 (which was my first civ game) I played on the largest map possible with the max number of civilizations. I never played Teutonic, Crusader or Brytannia campaigns in Medieval 2 or any other minicampaign in any Total War because i didn't like smaller scope. I prefered to download Stainless Steel to play as Teutonic Knights, so i could later go to the holy land. Even in games i play only for a while (Age of Wonders III and Dragon Commander) I always go for the biggest map that is possible.

I like to have something going on in the rest of the world even if it is so far away that i will probably never bother with conquering it. It makes the world feel more alive, and i always think that maybe i will still have the will to play after all those turns, so I will need more lands to conquer.

The only exceptions for me are campaigns that are vastly different and add something that i can't do in normal campaign. Like Americas campaign in Medieval 2, or that steampunk scenario and colonization scenario in Civ 5. But i don't see any reason to play only The New World or only The Old World campaign when i can play both at this same time.

ORDEEEEEEERS

MY LIEGE

I WILL SPEAK WITH THEM AT ONCE

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educate me on pike and shot

is it just naploleon with less cannons and pikemen mixed into your line infantry?

>>172024686
It's the odd transition period between medieval and musket.

The real battles in the age of discovery were being fought on sea. Golden age of piracy and all.

>>172023768
Such a shame, around release multiplayer was a blast to play

>>172024686
Its more complicated than that, depending on where in the Renaissance you look.

But it is basically all the armor and weapons of the late medieval period slowly being phased out for half armored pike/shot infantry and cavalry.

So if done in the early period, gameplay should be a lot like
>End game M2 units for start
>Mid game very early gun units and dismounted knights
>Late game lots of pikes, guns and light cav in chest armor

Its probably the most diverse time in human history for weapons and armor.

>>172024686
The pike was to brotect the musket while it did its job. It discouraged cav and infantry from making into the musket. The two sides would shoot intill one side routed. The pike rarely fought as if it tried to engage another formation both sides would die in droves and unlike in videogames people tried to not die.

>>172024686
Look at the flanks!

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>>172023768
bam, problem solved

Chaos/Drawfs get a strong infantry advantage, no more triple shaggoth/gorebull crutching, elite units can be stronger without being oppressive, Greenskins rely on numbers, non-AP units are viable.

And also a lower chance you lose the game at the army selection screen

>>172025015
I know, why in flying fuck wasn't this implemented

>>172023470
>There will never be a Finno-Korean Hyperwar video game

>>172024801
>The real battles in the age of discovery were being fought on sea.
The real battles in TW are fought on land

Because CA cant make interesting water combat that isnt just
>awful awful boarding actions
or
>oh look, my 8 cannons beat his 6 cannons, surprise!

>>172024686
The part I don't understand about Pike & Shot is how the fuck didn't these big Pike & Shot squares get wiped out by cannons?

>>172025078
People were always butthurt about it in TT for some reason.

>>172025117
pike and shot naval gameplay would be like empire/napoleon i.e. actually interesting

>>172025117
I would pay full price for a well realised naval warfare game. Either from the level of one ship or commanding a fleet. Master and Commander the game yes please

>>172025204
>pike and shot naval gameplay would be like empire/napoleon
> i.e. actually interesting
Pick one

Line ship warfare aint interesting. Unless you are actually on the ship, ship warfare is never interesting.

>>172025186
No they weren't, without those rule you clearly see what happens. Faction identities go out the window and a game already plagued with cheese would become a literal fondue factory.

Some people don't want the army limits because they enjoy seeing 12 minos and 7 Bestigors go cntrl+g and right clicking your opponent and watching the animations play out for an entire campaign.

>>172025078
Because most people dont take MP seriously.

Only /twg/ is that retarded

>>172025276
>Line ship warfare aint interesting
This is honestly the most painful thing I've read all day

>>172025398
Empire fag pls go, no one liked your games

>>172025360
Wanting to just play fun battles instead of facing nothing but steam tanks is "taking seriously"?

>>172025276
FOTS naval battles are ok.

>>172025358
>Worstigors
>ever

>>172025137
I believe at the time cannon at range couldn't hit shit and close in its easily overrun.

>>172025457
Yes

Lighten the fuck up, autismo.

>>172025358
>No they weren't

Every article on 1d4chan about WHFB tactics has an obligatory complaint about army restrictions.

I don't know why a lot of people didn't like it but they did.

>>172025441
Nah Empire was good.

>CA manage to implement all factions on a single map grand campaign and maintain the standard we have now

Will this be one of the all time great games?

>>172025568
Yes.

>>172024462
>Early period (1400~1100 BC)
Egypt is the super power of the region.
Various 'ites'.
Joshua's conquest into Canaan.

>Middle period (1100~800 BC)
Israel and Philistines are local powers.
Monarchy and various kings and wars.

>Late period (800~500 BC)
Downfall of Israel and Judah,
rise of Assyria and Babylonian empires,
culminating with the Persian empire.

>>172025563
>Empire was good
Pfthahahahah. Wow, okay revisionist historian. Sure it was.

>>172025360
Even in campaign how nice would it be if those random beastmen spawns AREN'T filled to the brim with minotaurs for no reason. Or if Tilea ISN'T rocking 4 doomstacks of full greatswords on harder difficulties

It gets to the point you can only play with 10% of your roster in order to counter the AI doing the same thing.

>>172025538
>1d4chan

memes aside, what is a good thing that comes from no limits gameplay wise? Instead of elite units adding more tools to an army they just become the army

>>172025568
The new world being connected could also work.
>Old world factions wanna go to the new world to sack lizardmen cities which are litterly made of gold for huge amounts of cash so old world and lizards will see each other
>The dark elved will go to the new world to rape babies and high elves to save it so old world will see elves
>Skraven should have a start on the old world or else really CA?

>>172025563
I really enjoyed it but for the stability/optimization issues.

TW:W just feels much more "solid" as far as under the good stuff, than Shogun 2 or Empire

>>172025687
>Pfthahahahah
Bitch please fuck off.

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>>172003923
Send help.
Please.

>>172025137
But that's exactly what happened. Lighter field guns that can reposition easily and more linear infantry composed of musketeers.

>>172025568
No, because they are not fixing core gameplay issues like the awful AI, lack of difficulty or horrid pacing where you might have a few early turn challenges and then absolutely nothing interesting happening until you paint the map one province at a time.

Considering all up the full experience is going to be something above $350 I would expect some basic work fixing this shit, but they wont. Hopefully the next historical title doesnt make the same mistake, it might be the biggest reason why people would move onto a new TW game, just so they didnt have to deal with a campaign thats so easy.

>>172025797
AHAHAHAHAHA HOW DO YOU FUCK UP THIS HARD

>>172025137
Cannons at the time were large and heavy as fuck so they were mainly used during sieges, mostly by the defenders and sometimes by the attackers to bring down walls.

Cannons being used as field artillery didn't really see use until after pike and shot's time had passed and we start heading into line infantry and Napoleonic warfare

>>172025756
There's that Skavenblight ulcer on the current Grand Campaign map
They might have a tunnel exit there instead of sailing across the oceans
Maybe they start in New World, but research a Grand Tunnel to the Old World
Or perhaps they can get across to Old World only once an Old World power has reached New World - this will parallel the spread of Syphilis in real life!

>>172025797
How? Like even in a nightmare situation how did you not just bottle up in rome and laugh?

>>172025756
That's what i meant by single map grand campaign, all inclusive. All connected, no transition zones.

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Am I the only one who prefer Medieval over Medieval 2?

>More gritty, realistic and authentic atmosphere
>Better music
>Armies marching sounds better

Medieval 2 is too light, vibrant and foggy. It's like they smeared a layer of vaseline over the game.

>>172025932
Thats literally whats happening

Why do all you fags think the campaign map will be separate? How do you not know what a standalone expansion means?

>>172025513
>>172025823
>>172025876
Thanks. I guess my Medieval 2 level history knowledge led me astray, I thought cannons were already pretty good by then. So Pike and Shot was pretty much the best general purpose Anti-Cavalry and Anti-Other-Pike-And-Shot squares formation then?

>>172025934
CONSTAT

>>172025756
I really hope it's viable to go full-conquistador and send a spare stack over to Lustria for fun plunder times.

I've no idea how they're going to cope if there's no naval combat in this expansion. The only land route between the main three factions is the tiny isthmus.

>>172026084
>I've no idea how they're going to cope if there's no naval combat in this expansion.
Autoresolve

This is not a hard concept.

>>172025934
Medieval 1 was my first total war and I loved it I even remember modding it so that every province was a playable faction man was playing as the Teutonic order fun. I recall one game in the vikings expansion still my fav expansion of all the TWs I assassinated the king of Mercia who had no hear as I was rorally married to him for almost all his land. And the mongals were unstoppable.

Yes.

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>>172025846
>>172025907
Because I was else where.

Soon we will return.
Soon.

>>172025934

When your third point about why you like a game better is "army marching sounds are better" even you know you're talking shit for the sake of being contrarian.

>>172025934
Speaking for myself, Medieval 2 was absolutely jaw dropping at release
Rome was gorgeous and fun as hell, absolutely, but Medieval 2 bringing all that variety to full 3D just blew my shorts off
I think I probably had almost 50 hours in the demo before I saved up enough for the Full Game

>>172026114
Well yes. I was exaggerating a little.
But Dark Elves and High Elves are all about their navies. It just seems unsatisfying to do the whole thing with number crunching.

>>172025835
The lack of polish on AI elements during campaign and some of the smaller things like diplomacy, quest issuing and the like are concerning. I can't see the experience as anything but frustrating if they don't take the time to tie everything together properly once they've completed introducing content. Maybe we can hope that they're waiting for all that to be available before balancing it out.

I dont expect any change to Battle AI but you can still make a challenge of it by not cheesing shit, avoiding abuse and purposefully gimping yourself.

>>172026137
nigga you could literally defend rome with a half stack of hastati against pretty much everything that isnt 3 full armies

How do you fuck this up ?

>>172025934
>Am I the only one who prefer Medieval over Medieval 2?
I think so, yeah.

>>172026187
I think he is just talking about the feel between the two games which I agree medieval one has the best atmosphere of all the games next to attilia.

are mounts worth it? the stat trade for health is quite a shitty tradeoff.

>>172025994
Pretty much.

As far I understand pike and shot warfare it goes as follows:

Both sides line up their pikes. Dispersed through the ranks and on the sides are gunners. Both sides advance and take shots at eachother while waving their pikes about.

On the flanks the cavalry advance and fight eachother with a mixture of heavy and light cavalry.

The winning cavalry then rides around and tries to fuck up the other side's gunners and then the pikes advance to punch through any weakness in the formation. Generally by this time the side that's lost its cavalry and gunners is breaking and retreats.

>>172026487
flying ones are for mobility, and stuff like wyverns cause fear and terror which is nice. horses are questionable

>>172026137
>burn everything and take over britannia

Senpai that's an attila meme, you're in the wrong game.

still applies though, burning everything and going to britannia always applies

>>172026487
Those stats in the preview are bugged. You always come out the better for the mount in my experience, aside from losing the ability to climb walls.

>>172026376
I only play on easy and this was my first time on hard difficulty because people said that was the way to play.

I'm getting smashed, my public order is shit and the only way I can win battles is with 2v1 stacks and even then i'm at around 40-50 percent casualties. How the fuck do you people play this game on this difficulty?

>>172026672
>public order is shit
build the building that boosts public order
>only winning 2v1
git gud

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>I only play on easy

Fucking christ anon

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>>172026672
>i only play on easy

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>>172026672
>I only play on easy

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>>172026672
>I only play on easy

How does one play elves, i literally always forget the tree of ages and get fucked on the campaign, should i just go and destroy the other elves and just camp there or wtf

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>>172026661
thanks guys

>>172027159
You can start confederating at Oak level 2 or something, at that point you just eat them up
I always stay somewhat friendly with the other elves

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>>172027159
Turn everything into trees

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>>172026672
Not even on normal?

>>172021339
High Elves will probably loses their Phoenixes.

Stegadon is pretty core, I'd imagine lizzies lose the Basilidon (hope not, as smashing fools with a tail whip would be fun) or the Troglodon.

>>172026672
how are you this bad?

why did you go straight for Britain?

>>172026672
be better at the game

>>172026672
>people said that was the way to play.
Just...

>>172026672
Most of fuckers here play on easy using trainers.

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>he plays on anything under Legendary

I suppose if you want to avoid the stress x

>>172026672
It's literally impossible to fail in combat as Rome unless you are heavily outnumbered. Your starting unit is as good as every other factions middle to late game units.

How do I get good as the poopoo peepee men?

How am I supposed to counter proper armies and walled settlements with my angry furry armies, particularly early on?

>>172027967
>toblerone meme frog
Now I've seen everything.

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>>172027498

>Sympathizing with casuals

>>172028191
You aren't supposed to. Just move on, pick out the undefended small towns and bide your time until you can get a proper murderstack going. Always remember to finish your movement with hidden camp.

>>172028191
What a newfriend.

>>172028191
You don't.

Post more memri

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>>172028752
>no option for domestic abuse when it comes to families in Attila

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>>172028752
Legit some of the funniest shit I've seen in a while

>>172028993

that's because there are no Muslims in it Anon

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>>172028752

>>172029307
smacking a hoe predates the coming of Islam though

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>>172028752

>>172029307
>what is Age of Charlemagne's Emirate of Cordoba?

>>172029356

true dat. i guess beating the negative trait out of wives would be nice

>>172029409

silly anon, Islam has nothing to do with Islam

>>172022515
No.

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RIGHT, YA GITZ.

Which Legendary Lords do you think we can expect from the new four factions? Who would you love to see more than most??

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>>172030249
just face it anon, its september 2016

>>172026672
Leave this general until you can play on Very hard/very hard with ease, the only time one should struggle is if you are up against a doomstack with gold tier elite units

>beat the shit out of 6 orcs shit quest for Ghal Maraz
>Weisland being MY GREATEST OF ALLY declares war on Averland
>get dragged into said war, beat the shit out of Averland
>FUCKING CHAOS SNOW NIGGERS DECIDED HURR DURR WE ATTACK NOW
>can't even hunt me some greenskins

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I confederated Mousillon as vlad but he was wounded when I did it. It says I can recruit him now he's healed but I cant seem to yet. Do i have to get a building or something to recruit him?

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>tfw removing austrians

>>172028191
Early game you don't take any walled settlement, not without having more minos and cygors. As soon as you start, remove the other army so you only have one at a time, and only keep less than 10 units so your base income won't get tanked. Rush for growth upgrade, encamp at the end of your move; raid the capital and raze minor settlement when you catch them off guard; always check opponent's and calculate your route so you don't get caught with your pants off; avoid large army but bully the ones you can win against, only use beast path to get out of sticky situations.
Beastmen is pretty easy to get. Try mini campaign to get a feel for their play style, I figured how to roll with them from that.