/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

First for Blorg.

The greatest thing to happen to Stellaris since... Well, ever!

1st for gas Xenos

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2nd for a flat Earth in Stellaris

Fourth for Supreme Commander being one of the best RTS.

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>>169004191

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More ascension perks!
DLC only 30$

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>>169004412
JUST RELEASE IT ALREADY REEEEEE

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>>169004412
Stop toying with me

>>169004412

>Psionics give you Ascendance as god-beings of pure energy
>Synthetics turn you into Sentinels and immortal god-machines

>Biology gives you +3 Trait points

WHY

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>>169004628
Even those stupid spiritualists realize that the flesh is weak, anon.

I wonder if you can go biological+psychic, though.

>>169004628
I want my mega-organism-battleships NOW

>>169005114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp5xGLj1RME

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11HVt8f0X-I
Aussies confirmed

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>>169004628
I think there should be one perk more before it that also give +3 Trait points.
Or something.

>>169005336
Oh, look.
National ideas.

Just like in Europa Universalis IV.

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>Australia
>civilized

>>169004628
Depends how it plays out in the game though.

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How to be more ancap?

>militarist, individualist, materialist
>mega corporation
>tfw when no pre-FTLs to exploit
>stole a load of neighbors pops through migration treaties and now brainwashing them

My neighbors are all allied with each other so I can't eat the weak ones, what should I do?

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How can property be real if the law isn't real?

>>169004779
Enjoy being stuck in the mortal realm as "god"-machines.

>>169005872
Enjoy becoming mindless concepts.

>>169005970
Enjoy dying at my hands.

>>169005872
Enjoy being raped by the warp gods for all eternity.

>>169005228
>>169005228
I want to turn my pops into spaceborne ships that will eventually grow to the size of moons and can eat entire planets

>>169005970
Enjoy your MTTF

>>169006294
Bodies can be replaced.

>>169006289
That's a very particular fetish.

Does Stellaris have any sexy mods?

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>>169005476

this is as fucked up as Civ 5 making Polan a civilization

>>169006289

Brethren Moons please go.

>>169006289
Fuck off Red Sun.

>>169006764
emu barbarians when

>>169006764

Jadwiga has hips for days.

She's gone full Mommy Mode.

>>169006764
True, Polan before PLC was kinda eh. And after PLC too.

>>169006376
Even after the universe dies?

>mfw robocucks try to talk down to me and my fleshbros

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P2EQ0FlVks4

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>>169007376

>He doesn't realize the Riddle of Steel ultimately proves Psionic is superior
>Mind over Body over Matter

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>poor little fallen empire

Also, when i select that fleet the fps goes to around 5

>>169007376
Never heard that guy's original voice. He has a very sexy voice.
I need to rewatch that movie.

>>169007648
>Also, when i select that fleet the fps goes to around 5
Quility paracuck coding, it never changes. It's double ironic that their office is like two steps aways from DICE Stockholm which are famout for quality coding and well-optimised games in general.

>>169006289
Well I want to build a meat planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA

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So using psyonic focus would I be able to turn my species into the interdimensional vampires?

>>169005683
Realize none of these games will ever properly reflect an ancap society due to a lack of allowance for private investment. Even Victoria 2 forces the fallacy that no state funded education = no schools period.

But to actually answer your question focus your efforts inwards and tech up/build up internally until you can eat them with impunity.

>>169008098
Maybe. Depends on how much Kennedy stuff they were smoking when writing The Shroud.

>>169008098

Yes, it should also enable you to interact with other Ascended creatures.

>>169007942
shit like that is only possible with coding practices taht would get you expelled from even the shittiest college classes

>>169008280
>shit like that is only possible with coding practices taht would get you expelled from even the shittiest college classes
Welcome to Paradox Interactive!

>>169008254
More like let them mind rape you for some bonuses.

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What is the best extra large weapon?

What is your favorite for flavor extra large weapon?

I know the Tachyon Lance is still the best, but I've fallen in love with the Giga Cannon.

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John Curtin
Australia
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Civ Unique Ability
Land Down Under
+3 Housing in coastal cities. Pastures trigger a Culture Bomb. Yields from Campuses, Commercial Hubs, Holy Sites and Theater Squares are +2 in tiles with Charming Appeal, +4 in Breathtaking.
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Leader Unique Ability
Citadel of Civilization
+100% Production if either they have received a declaration of war in the past 10 turns or if they have liberated a city in the past 20 turns.
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Civ Unique Unit
Digger
Australian unique Modern era land unit that replaces the Infantry. Gains +10 combat strength when fighting on a coastal tile and also when fighting outside home territory.

Civ Unique Building
Outback Station
Unlocks the Builder ability to construct an Outback Station, unique to Australia.

+1 Food and +1 Production. +1 Food for each adjacent Pasture. Additional Food and Production as you advance through the Technology and Civic Tree for adjacent Outback Stations and Pastures. Can only be built in Desert, Desert Hills, Grassland, and Plains tiles.

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>No-one to play Stellaris MP with

>>169008405
Who's that cutie wolf girl?

>>169008405
Actually Giga Cannon is the best.

>>169007942
>>169008280
Maybe you should apply to their coding job or something, since you are such great coders and could do much better and shit.

>>169008438

When would you be available? I'm East Coast so I can only do a game after 7:00 PM.

>>169008405
>Best

Focused Arc Emitter for enemies you know are going full shield. Like the Unbidden.

Giga Cannon for everything else.

>>169008517
(you) should do it.

>>169008493

Ao Nanami!

>>169008539
I'm GMT so that would be midnight for me.

I can get Civ V cheap, should I go for it or is Civ VI better?
Never played a Civ game before.

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>>169008916

Then I guess we can't play...

... Unless you catch me early tomorrow! NEET life means I can totally be there to play as early as 10:00 AM EST!

>>169008940
Get Civ 5, BUT with all the expansions. Don't bother with Civ 6 yet.

>>169007648
>fps goes to around 5
Even in Galactic Map Mode?

Does anyone have the icon or flag for The Shroud?

>>169004415
Since taxation is literally theft/armed robbery/slavery/rape according to your silly ideology, you should not be building a fleet to use against space monsters. If the free market wants to destroy interdimensional horrors then they will do so without government intervention.

>>169009040
That would be in the middle of my work day.
Damn.

>>169009478
What if he is a private person that own everything and people are just his employee or slaves?

>>169005472
Nuh uh! Each idea group is arranged in a tree, which is an original feature that has never been done before.

>>169009040
Can pirate join game?

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EU IV is really just Planet bound Stellaris

>>169009820
>EU IV is really just Planet bound Stellaris
No, not even close.

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>>169009627
Wow, just like Civ 5 !
Such original
Much wow!

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roll

>>169009595

Then when would you be available EST?

Anyone got that civ 5 roll chart?

>>169010219
rerolling race

>>169010228
I guess after 13:30 your time.

I can't find a post about it so here you guys go
https://www.humblebundle.com/civilization-bundle

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This seems like a fun way to play once in a while, but I don't like that it costs all of your ethos points so there will only ever be one way to play fanatic purifiers.

>>169010805
>so there will only ever be one way to play fanatic purifiers.
It makes sense for Fanatical Purifiers to be extremely xenofobic and militaristic.

>>169010805
Better would be a mod that makes it so that all empires are always at war. Then you can just do whatever you want with ethics.

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>>169010219
>AoW3

>>169010805
I've said it before, but the game would be better with 4 ethos points per nation.

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>>169010805
>purification committee
>just a bunch of upset soccer moms

Distant Worlds looks like a cool game, do you cuties know if its going on sale soon (like in 1-2 weeks)?

>>169004324
The Blorg are literally the reddit empire

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Haven't checked in quite some time, is 6 AI still bad? Any patches that improve it?

I want to play it so bad because I personally love the look and city building shit but I don't want to be heartbroken.

>>169012125
The patch that came out ~October improved the AI, but it's still so incompetent that people are winning on Immortal difficulty on their first try.

>>169012125
Still bad.

>>169012274

I fucking remember that.
Are you saying they haven't done shit since then?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING?

What new civs do people want to see as future DLC?

>>169012416
making meme civs like australia
and also modding tools/workshop, which is coming in the same patch

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How the fuck do I still have so many factions

>>169005970
>not wanting to become a pale form

lad...

>>169012517
Too many species, probably too many sectors and too large of an empire in general. And even if that ethos drift is theoretically enough, it'll still take time. Thirteen factions isn't that many for twenty two species.

>free update doesn't include Australia
Why did I ever think otherwise?

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>>169010293
Here you go my dude

>>169008517
>appeal to accomplishment fallacy

Fuck off redditboi

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>>169009275
no matter where.
And after adding a few ships clicking the fleet didnt bring up their command tab, so that prettymuch comfirms that its caused by a retardedly coded interface

>>169008517
without seeing the source, i can tell you that its the result of building up the ui elements from small shits without merging them, and as the fleet grows, there is no culling of any kind so that intricate shit gets loaded hundreds, thousands times. But even that wouldnt be a problem, since with zero programming knowledge you can deduce the solution:
Because really, whan you want to order the fleet from point a to point b, you MUST have a scrollable list that displays each of the thousands of ships with their name, loadouts, health, shields, class, and quickbuttons for inspecting and dismissing them...

>>169012513

Will they maybe release a patch with australia that will improve things?

I bought base game when it came out and I still want to kill myself. I'm pirating the rest of it.

>>169014030
yes, all that stuff I listed is coming with australia.

>>169010805

Why can't there be a way to gain Unity through murder and Armageddon bombardment stance if you're a fanatic xenophobe and Spiritualist?

Like, the Covenant is one of the most famous examples of genocidal alien empires out there and they're totally Fanatics.

>>169014101

I mean improved ai.

>Gaia World Creation
>Needs 15k energy
>Storage caps out at 10k

How?

>>169014401
Pretty sure maximum energy storage is a lot higher than that.

>>169014401
Terraforming gases reduce it to 10K

>>169014476
Nah, 10K is the cap.

>>169014401
Build things that increase your storage capacity.

Also don't turn planets into gaias because it makes xenos want to live there.

>>169014660

There are no Energy storage buildings, only minerals.

>Surely you will raise America into the limelight and attract visitors from across the oceans just to see your lands. Bully for you, Mr. President.
>your lands
I don't think I will ever not think of LOTR when I hear that.

>Armageddon Bombardment Stance

What does this do, because all I know is that Full bombardment has a 20% chance to wipe out a pop every month.

Is it possible to build too many wonders in Civ 6 such that your best cities don't have enough tiles to actually work?

>>169014790
Power hubs kid, researchable tech

>>169015192
Power hub tech raises the cap up as far as 10k.
There's no researchable tech that raises it above 10k.

>>169010759
$1 for Civ 4 complete is a probuy

>want to use novio magnum 2
>conflicts with food import/export and ISB
>plus potential conflicts with spaceport modules extended, crystallis and advanced buildings
I don't think I'll ever get around using that mod ever, especially since it makes all the fucking pre-space civs pop out of their planet like god damn fungi, found myself closing borders with a dozen of them before I even got to cruisers

>Pre-FTL primitives don't react to a failed invasion

>>169014401
you need the terraforming gases and liquids they each lower the cost by like 25%

>>169015826
>a failed invasion
How on earth did you manage that?

>>169015987
Intentional.
I sent one assault army of a weak species to an atomic age planet.

>>169005327
HaHA, are you fucking kidding me? Wow.How low can you stoop. This is even more retarded than making Brazil a naval power house , or Kongo a mighty science civ.
What next, Canada?

>>169008086
I've heard that soundtrack before.

>>169016354
Somalia

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>shitposters have a playable civilization now
best timeline

>>169016710
g'day mate

>>169015826
>no id4 resurgence scenario for this

paradox get it together god damn

When is paradox gonna implement proper modding?

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The blorg are so funny right Reddit?

>Civ 5

>Suleiman or Hiawatha
>15 cities up before my 4th

Newest Wiz tweet

>Fanatic Purifiers
>Cannot engage in diplomacy
>Always purge xenos
>33% increased fire rate

Fucking hell!

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>>169018189
why are the most redpilled devs swedish

I wonder if it will be possible to process slave pops for energy credits. Like burning them for fuel or something. That way you could have a Matrix-esque civilization of machine-ascended pops sustained by slave pops they harvest for power.

>>169018294
>wiz
>redpilled
U wot.

>>169018294
Please explain how this is even remotely redpilled

>>169017573
Paradox will not implement a feature that allows people to make DLC for free.

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>Bully the shit out of Fanatical Purifiers
>After last two wars they only have three planets left.
>None of their founder species are on any of these planets.

>>169018301
Do you mean in a full RP scenario? Because otherwise it's an incredibly retarded concept. In the original scenario of matrix humans were used as computational power not as a power source.

>>169017573
>paradox allows players to make real modded content
>nobody bothers buying DLC because modders create tons of free content for them to play

>>169012421

FFS, so you NEED to go xenophobe to use purge ayylums?

>>169018801
How many source games have you bought, despite the existence of mods?

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>>169018294
>Fanatic Purifiers
>Cannot engage in diplomacy
>Always purge xenos
>33% tank breakdown rate

who maintains the stellaris mod repository?
who/where can I ask for a specific mod to be put there?

>>169018684
Will they purge themselves into oblivion?

>>169018961
First person shooters are different, because they require a huge amount of expensive assets. Something like the Civ 5 traditions tree can be done by anybody if they have the tools for it.

>>169014246
The Covenant aren't xenophobes. The only reason humanity was set for being wiped out was because they had the capacity to overthrow the Prophets' power base.

Every other alien race was subsumed into the Covenant.

>>169018167

>that moment when the Iroquois are so miserable one of their cities turns coat and becomes Huns
>Immediately sets fire to themselves

i decided to interpret it as they were so sick of being primitives they thought death was preferable

>>169018961
I play exactly zero source games. I don't like FPS. Also I find it hilarious that Valve releases SFM and the only notable thing to come out of it was a surge in high quality CG porn videos.

>>169020384
Supply and demand, you know.

>>169020025
covenant, when not dealing with humans are more of a "convert to our halo religion or die" type deal yeah

>>169018961
Source was actually really hard to mod. The community took over a decade to really take off.

All the really good modders shifted over to Unreal and have become actual developers now. Some autists like the Titanfall guys did some good stuff with it nevertheless.

Source is really an artist-focused hackjob of an engine. Anyone's guess if Source 2 will be any different.

>>169020701
>source
>artist focused

the atrocious content pipeline says no
unreal is artists focused with its wide variety of graphical tools, node based editors and external tool integrations
source is just bad

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=865192931
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=865668797
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=868694800
Please gib
>>169020384
Well, DUH
What were you expecting it to produce? Valve just wanted people to keep playing TF2 so they reeled in 3d animators with the saxxy and fuck consequences

>>169020864
Okay, let me be more accurate; made for the needs of the very specific content creators at Valve, and not for anyone else.

>>169018684

Sounds like Germany.

>>169020025

So they'd be Fanatic Spiritualist / Authoritarian?

>>169021597
Yeah. Probably with one of the new ethics, Religious Imperialist or something.

Manifest destiny?

>>169020940
>Monster waves

I like the idea but I think I'd prefer a different implementation instead of RNG.

>>169021954

Manifest Destiny would work considering their obsession with being the Chosen Ones.

>>169020025
And humanity was, as far as they thought, in the way of the largest treasure trove of religous artifacts they had ever found. Of course that turns out to have been a mistranslation in their archeotech scanners, but thats a different story.

>>169022086
Like what?
They are after all just a bunch of events, you can set your own prerequisites to them
Unless you wanted them to be a faction, in which case good fucking luck

>>169018167
lrn2wide

>>169020940
>Ancient Mining Drones
>They will start to appear 75 years after the start of a game.
>Ancient

>>169020025

So would Hunters be Ultra Strong Communal?

>>169023071
>in which case good fucking luck

So in other words we should expect proper monster ecology to be included in the DLC after Banks.

>>169023372
If you were to build an ancient mining drone, even if brand new it'd still be an ancient design
ancient mining drone factories would still only create ancient mining drones, even if they're technically brand-new

>>169023520
I would expect them to just remove them and only reintroduce them as events

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>Have to go to war with the rest of the galaxy at the same time to extent my blob because almost everyone is in the one fed
>Their weaker members keep sending me insults.
>The exceptions all have defensive pacts with each-other

>>169024187
Well you ARE the biggest fucking threat to the galaxy.

>>169024187

How's it feel to be the Evil Empire in a space opera movie?

>>169024187
attrition is the only way
just raid over all their resource systems and spam micro defense stations to stop construction ships from getting there after the military ran it flat

worked wonders for me, then again I'm usually just going for single targets at the time

Are massive, civilization-carrying Ark ships going to be the next DLC?

>>169024852
Nope, immobile stations only.

>>169006539
Yes, loverslab

Though it's mostly just spiced up pops, no flavour events yet

>>169024852
How would that work in the game?

>>169024187
Just schlieffenplan them, should be relatively easy with the def pacters. Fed could be a bit more difficult depending on size since they have their combined federation fleet.

>>169024385
and they think their fed will save them?

>>169024479
It is pretty fun

>>169024560
I have a 32K Fleet of 100 corvettes for raiding and general rapid response.

My main "strategy" is that I have three 60K-70K fleets with an army of 20 gene warriors following each fleet and I send them to take three systems at a time. I can occupy all the planets in any of the larger empires in about 10-15 minutes or so.
All the empires left can only manage 50K or so at the most so I'm fine in most engagements.

I have a 180K fleet sitting in a system where a wraith/spectre keeps spawning that I can take off pest control in case of an emergency.

>>169025583

Huge, slow-moving ship with a station production tab *and* "land" tab?

>>169024852

Why would you need that in a universe where FTL travel exists? The nomad event is the closest thing to your suggestion.

https://civilization.com/news/entries#civilization-vi-australian-summer-2017-update-multiplayer-teams-mod-tools

Was already mentioned earlier, but for the details.

>A new free update for Civilization VI is coming soon to all Steam users. It will include some great new features such as Steam Workshop and modding tools, as well as multiplayer team functionality.

>Multiplayer teams and mod tools have been two of the community’s most-requested features, and we’re happy to bring them to Civilization VI. Steam Workshop will allow you to browse, add, and subscribe to mods more easily, and the other tools will make it easier for artists and modders to express their creativity within the game. With the update to multiplayer you will be able to team up with your friends to conquer the world together against AI or human opponents.

>There are also balance changes and bug fixes coming in this update, ranging from trade routes to ice caps, obsolete units to AI upgrades. We’ll go more in-depth on these details at a later time.

In Aurora, how can I build ships <1000T without a shipyard? I thought I read something like that on the forum.

>>169026750

So you can be galactic locusts.

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Completely unbiased OC coming through

>>169026812
Fighter factory

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>>169028550
>Biological ascension
>Good
JUST

Fuck you guys wargame should have its own general, no one talks about it here anyways fucking jews

>>169030297
Fuck off.

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>>169030297
What is there left to talk about?

>>169028563
It's not showing up. Do ships need something special to be fighters?

>>169026453
So does that mean that you're sending in 6-7 gene warriors per planet?

>>169030467
>>169030454
Because wargame is an actual fun game unlike these autistic no cool looking graphics nofun games

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>>169030837
20 per planet

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>>169030189
Biological ascension would be very good, if Paradox could conceive of it correctly. As is, they treat ordinary kinds of genetic engineering that we'll have IRL long before 2200 as late-game technology, so while everyone else is turning into awesome robots or ghosts you're stuck with +3 traits.

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>>169031117
Now you're just being facetious.

>>169030813
What's the ship specs?

Anything under 500T with a design that works should be buildable from the fighter factories

>>169031178
That doesn't make any sense. You can take a planet with 10 armies of normal assault troops and not lose any actual units. They can heal while in space, so the bottleneck is always waiting for the navy to destroy fortifications.

Or are you invading without waiting for fortifications to go down?

>>169031418
>Or are you invading without waiting for fortifications to go down?
Yep

>>169031375
retarded pic

Is Beyond Earth + Rising Tide worth $15?

I wanted to pick them up during the Christmas sale, but it would have been $30-40. Now it's half of that.

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>>169031598
You are entitled to your own opinion anon.

>>169031392
oh I got confused because you only needed a bridge for 1000T and above

so the 500-1000T range is no good?

>>169031548
I'm going to have to try that. I changed my bombardment policy to make my stupid people happy, but as a result it's gotten too boring to make war.

>>169032027
Those are FAC's. Since you don't need a bridge on them they can be built much more efficient than a vessel with the bridge but unlike fighters they can carry heavier weapons, operate independently and can even be made to take a hit or two as well.

You can use them as in system as stationary defenses, fast response craft or operate them from station hangars. You can also use them from carriers as fighter escorts, reconnaissance craft or heavy fighters.

>>169031375
>wargames
>labor of love for grognards played by approximately no one
>generally has good AI

>4X
>commercially successful genre that has actual professionals being paid actual money for development
>AI is dogshit 99% of the time

>>169031739
fuck off commie

Fucking ethics divergence is killing my resource production in the outer colonies. How do I stop this shit? I had zero issues for most of the game but now my pops immediately abandon all my ethics the instant they settle some new world and I've got absolutely no influence to spare on this shit. There doesn't seem to be anything I can do except purge them because all the things that make them unhappy would require complete overhaul of my national policies which would make the majority of my loyal pops really unhappy.

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>>169032445
To be fair wargames ai only need to care about combat.
>>169032513
pic related

>>169031178
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=810204739

>>169033282
Purge all and replace with droids. Your unhappy pops aren't producing optimally anyway so droids will actually be a moderate improvement over them. Plus they won't form factions against your government and won't riot or cause revolts. In terms of simple cost-benefit, droids are superior to 0% happiness pops.

>>169031636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZXYeveEGA

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>>169024852

That'd be breddy hilarious and would actually work in the context of the voidborn perk if it weren't for the fact that owning territory is essential for resources and diplomacy.

>Arks floating around in space doin nuffin
>Empire colonizes/builds an outpost nearby
>Now in their territory
>???

>Mid-game
>Everywhere is colonized
>No place for your ships
>???

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>>169015440
Actually, the mod may not be quite ready yet
It seems that every pre-FTL civ in the map gets instantly booted off to space, and new ones are popping up out of nowhere on top of that
It's a clusterfuck
Or maybe it's just some wonky mod conflict that makes it so, still a nightmare

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>>169030297

>wargame should have its own general

It did you fucking sperg, it fucking died because the goddamn Frogs couldn't into game balance or smooth multiplayer.

Why do empires shoot out all those migration treaties with each-other after major wars?

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>>169034196
What you've got to do is get the voidborn perk, move all your pops to orbital habitats and glass your own planets. Bonus points for ringworlds. Then make some kind of mod that lets orbital habitats be converted into a mobile state (like endless legends roving clans), ship them off to orbit another planet, and unpack with the buildings and pops etc preserved. The Vodyani work this way in Endless Space 2

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All RTS games are boring except Wargame prove me wrong

>pro tip
you cant

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Is there any mod that stops the fucking migration treaty request spam from the AI?

BUILD WALL

>>169034196
Yeah that would require actual diplomatic features in the game. Like treaties to allow your ships free travel in other empire's space. If trade was an actual thing in the games you could use that as leverage, since ark ships would probably be great boosters for the local economy of whatever system they visited, since they probably have to constantly trade for new goods.

But of course, there is no private sector in Stellaris, and thus no trade and no economic incentives for empires to get along with each other.

>>169034701

Do we know if habitats give you borders like planets do? If so, an entirely spaceborne Empire would be based af.

>>169034712

Do you have the SAS version of that pic?

>>169031214
I hope they implement it in a way where it not just gives you +3 trait points, but also more and better options to customize everything, i.e. the ability to to also remove traits, add negative traits, unlock additional, stronger traits, etc. Something that makes you feel like you are starting to gain complete control over all things biological, rather than just choosing one or two extra perks.

>>169034863

Ark ships/nomad races are space niggers nobody wants around their systems. See the Quarians.

>>169034863

>there is no private sector in Stellaris

B-but muh Private Colony Ships that serve no purpose other than spreading ethics divergence.

In games like stellaris, what is your usual approach towards colonization?

Do you just do a rush to colonize every single planet possible? You pick and select only the best planets to colonize or you take your sweet ass time developing planets first?

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>>169024852
>>169034196
>>169034701
>>169034980
>>169035081

Actually, if we can build Dyson Spheres then there's no reason why we can't build Shkadov Thrusters and move entire solar systems, not just orbital habitats.

>>169032445
>wargame
>good ai

heu heu heu hon hon hon hon

>>169035345
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VetAm7fCS0

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>>169035072

>unlock additional, stronger traits

If Paradox doesn't do this, they're fucking retarded. Add exclusive advanced versions of the existing perks and special ones, while also making them all cost 1 point, have the ability to be refunded, and giving a massive boost to the speed at which you can modify your species.

This way you won't have all the perks at the same time, but you can change them/adapt on the fly.

>>169035550
Also options for directly talking to space cows and space amoebas in a diplmatic fashion, where if you are successful they will join you and now you've got a whole fleet of organic ships.

>>169035550

I can almost see the explanation now.

>Sorry Biodrones, Synths can transfer their entire consciousness to immortal machines and Psionics can become Beings of Light, but you can't fiddle and diddle your Dee-Enn-Ayy more than +6 traits worth!

>>169025541
So no futa races literally raping the galaxy?

>>169036025
The fact that so many ideas have already been presented guarantees someone will make a mod of it if paradox drops the ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhmIz7BFEj0

>>169035550

>change them/adapt on the fly.

Breddy neat idea tbqh.

>At peace/not colonizing
>Get a fuckton of research perks

>Colonizing
>Edit pops to make any world 100% habitable

>At war
>Invest in strength, mineral mining, and something like eidetic memory/hyperactive brain activity that reduces ship upkeep, but diminishes leader lifespan by X years due to nervous system shock/makes them more likely to become substance abusers as they can remember every part of their ships and how to optimally maintain them, but can't forget all the awful shit they've seen.

>>169034196

>go full space pikey
>Park all your ships in one empire's system
>Too many to actually do anything about
>be generally unpleasant to all people you meet
>Generally get in everyones way
>Steal their shit
>When they're finally sick of your shit, hightail it off to the next empire to leech off of

>>169035550

You know what I want from the Biological Focus?

Abiogenesis, the creation of life out of nothing. I don't just want to handle the primordial soup, I want to be the *cook.*

>>169032445
Get out and necro that general then, fuck off.

>>169012430
I feel like the way they're going about it this time that most of the DLC civs are going to be the "quirky" ones and they'll sell the expansions on the backs of mostly "classic" civs.

So I dunno, maybe we'll actually get that Canada civ sometime.

>>169028550
>>169030189
>we've only got dev diaries on two of the three
>having opinions on them yet

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>>169036332

I'm watching that video, and all I can think about is Saoirse from Nioh.

>>169036712
you mean one

>>169034701
Planets can't move due to engine limitations. See also: the lack of orbits.

>>169034980
They do project borders.

>>169036810
Yeah, only one officially released.

>>169036889
No you misunderstand, the orbital habitat would stop being a 'planet' while it is in mobile mode. Then when it is parked again, it will resume the 'planet' state.

>>169037059
Then all the pops would die.

>>169036810

This. Though going by the balance direction Paradox has taken with ships, they'll probably do something similar with the three main ascension paths.

>Synthetic is quantity, Psionics is quality, Biological is ???

>>169037135
I'm not a modder, but I'm sure there would be a way to save the data of the orbital habitat and generate it again after it is parked.

>>169037282
if paradox wanted they could probably do a hack like that, but for a modder? nope

>>169037221

Biological is probably adaptability.

>>169037282

Shouldn't be that hard. Stellaris already keeps track of pop amount with food consumption, so all you would have to do is make the mobile mode a 'colony ship' except instead of one pop, you have however many pops based on prior food consumption.

>>169013253
Rollin'

>>169037282
There would be for a programmer, but modders have to deal with the functions that Paradox has bothered to make moddable, or else get into ramhacking, which is rather beyond the domain of modding. The only game that I know of where modders hack the game to make the mod work is Dwarf Fortress. That took half a decade to happen, and is completely beyond the means of fanbases with lower levels of autism.

>>169035158
I start thinking of ways to implement a private sector in stellaris and it quickly gets very complicated so I begin to see why they left it out. It's still disappointing though. The crucial thing to creating a private sector in Stellaris would be to establish a currency mechanic that then weaves into other mechanics of the game. I thought that's what they were trying with the Consumer Goods tease in 1.5/Utopia but it looks more like a mineral tax for boosting happiness, it's still virtually invisible as a part of the game.

Just an example of how complicated it gets, if you tried making a currency system you'd have to make buildings to generate it, and your empire would also have to have a stockpile of it as a treasury or reserve so it could interact with the private sector. You gain currency by taxing worlds and corporations (this would require adding tax policies to your empire's policies menu). You can opt to build commercial mining stations or research stations, in exchange the private sector has to sell part of what they produce to you at a discount price, the rest is used in the local system economy to generate consumer goods or more currency for you to tax. And then you get to the issue of banks, and borrowing money and going into debt and I just lose interest.

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>>169037637
Shoshone,Shuffle, and Diplomacy - Easy win.

>>169037525

I fucking hope so, it would make it great, but Wiz is in charge here, so I'm not getting my hopes up for any kind of based or balanced ideas. At least until the 'Darwin's Legacy™' DLC is released in 2018 for only $29.99

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>>169024187
Wow this Imperialistic Federation needs to be stopped.

>>169036025
Keep in mind, pdix also thinks interspecies espionage would be practically impossible."How would you get a spy to blend in with a totally different species duhhh?"
Like most Swedes, their knowledge is wide but shallow, and they lack in creativity.

>>169037778

It would probably be easier if they folded it into the sector system. You could keep the core worlds that answer directly to you, but make sectors a lot more in-depth.

For example, right now there's virtually no benefit to making sectors larger than they have to be, ideally you want them to only control inhabited systems as you lose at least 25% of the revenue from mining/research stations in the sector as well as having to spend influence.

Give to the ability to grant sector charters to corporations in your empire (could be handled like factions, except in the budget tab,) over that space in exhange for various benefits depending on who you grant it to.

Shit like +25% food/pop growth, +20% mineral output, +30% construction speed etc.

The more powerful a corporation gets, the more benefits you receive, but the more likely it is that they'll try to secede (especially in mega corporation-like empires) which means you have to balance your competing industries for stability.

>>169004412
>defender of the galaxy
>aberrant
>vehement
who are these? More crises?

>>169038637
What are you talking about? That's exactly how infiltration of primitive worlds works. You can even get an event where the disguised agent goes rogue and likes his new life better.

>>169038745
After some time, the Unbidden are joined by two other extra-dimensional factions that fight among each other, called the Aberrant and the Vehement.

>>169038745
No, they are pt2 & pt3 of Unbidden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XmbRCrRM0U

Do you guys use AlphaMod for Stellaris? I've been using it but I'm not sure if I like it or not.
What are your thoughts and opinions? A nice addition to the game or a horrible bloatmod?

>>169038680
Yeah I was thinking chartered corporations would be a good way to handle it. But I'd like for there to be a private sector even within your own empire. Like, it doesn't really make sense for a plutocracy to have virtually no private industry does it? If your government is set up so the wealthiest citizens make the decisions, they need a means to generate wealth to join the ruling class don't they? Having everything controlled by the state and the people it appoints using those resources to enrich themselves is a Kleptocracy, not a Plutocracy. It never made sense to me you could have a plutocratic government with no private industry.

Of course, private companies wouldn't really be necessary in all empires. Could be that different government types have differing degrees of economic freedom. So in some cases the private sector is tiny or even non existent, but in others it's a powerful force.

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>>169038175
I wasn't prepared for this.

>>169010759
Does V comes with all DLCs?

>>169038909
>>169038973
oh what the hell, I've never got them or even knew about them. If I did I would have left the unbidden alone until they showed up instead of btfo asap. Thanks senpaitachi

>>169038780
I'm talking about inter-empire espionage .No plans to implement it because Wiz thinks it's impossible INN SPAAAACCE..

>>169039341

>But I'd like for there to be a private sector even within your own empire

Ideally yeah, but that would be hard as shit to implement given how the current mechanics work. Paradox would need to rework the base economy first, especially because if they really invested in making it happen they'd need to reconcile with:

>Of course, private companies wouldn't really be necessary in all empires. Could be that different government types have differing degrees of economic freedom.

A short term solution to this would be porting one of the only two good mechanics from HoI 4 - the government tab. It wasn't anywhere close to fully realized, but the option to customize your cabinet/industrial preference depending on what you wanted to do was a great idea and your options differed depending on your country.

Spiritualist Empires with no economic focus could for example receive far less benefits from corporations, but with far less drawbacks.

MegaCorp empires could receive massive buffs to corporate control benefits, at the price of far less core systems and increased ethics divergence.

For now I think strategic resources should be kept as-is, though in the future, I'd like to have the ability to outsource/lend-lease them, with benefits if they're under corporate control. Sure you'd have to 'buy' them from the Corporation if you wanted to use them, but this could be offset by shit like increasing their base amount or getting better deals for trading them.

Domestic energy trading between you and Corporations for benefits as well as 'autonomy' seem to be the only easy way to start implementing a private economy, as all the mechanics are there.

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>>169034508
>There are still 24 other independent empires left in the galaxy

>>169040947

Which is bullshit because Synths already do it in the AI rebellion. If they're too lazy to code specifics, the least they could do is implement the Birth of the Federation system of having an aggregate espionage score for each empire (based on traits, ethos, ascension perks, edicts, and buildings,) that you can either use for counterespionage, or to broadly target an ememy's industrial/civilian/military sectors.

Just have random events where X is sabotaged/stolen etc depending on relative espionage scores with the downside that no-one will trust you if you do it too much. Not even hard.

>>169040979
I was thinking they could just simplify the issue by having all economies be nationalized/centralized things, because the alternative is as you mentioned a complete overhaul of the base economy system because it would change so much about how the game works.

>For now I think strategic resources should be kept as-is
Yeah I always figured strategic resources would remain under empire control, cause they're so vital to the empire's security. The issue with the corporate control and buying contracts is that it requires so many new mechanics in itself its hardly a simple solution.

>Domestic energy trading between you and Corporations for benefits as well as 'autonomy' seem to be the only easy way to start implementing a private economy, as all the mechanics are there.
The issue there is there needs to be something exchanged for the energy you get. Hence the need for a currency system, and you're just back to the original issue of implementing something that fundamentally changes the entire economy of the game.

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>>169041083
why are you so small

>>169040979
>>169041513
One of of the solutions I thought of includes using the private colony ship that's already in the game. You could have the create a commercial colony rather than one directly controlled by you. The syndicate that you charter the colony ship with is given the right to govern the new colony in exchange for kicking back some of what it produces to you. But the bright side is, you don't have to pay out of pocket to develop the world, the syndicate pays for it and does it automatically to maximize exploitation of resources. Of course that would require AI that isn't retarded and doesn't solve the issue of currency.

>>169041712
Yo what's this Stellaris update about. I don't see any news about it.

>>169041513

>I was thinking they could just simplify the issue by having all economies be nationalized/centralized things

That's the natural option, but also puts us back to essentially where we are now.

>The issue there is there needs to be something exchanged for the energy you get. Hence the need for a currency system

Maybe in the short term they could cobble something together with unity/influence mana and just represent internal currency with various modifiers.

>Keep energy income either stable or steadily increasing for X years
>Bonus to unity like you get with completing mandates/influence

>Go into energy deficit/go into massive inflation from rampant colonizing
>Lose unity or influence/-5% energy income for X years due to investors not trusting such an unstable market

It's nowhere near perfect, but it's something. Ideally they'd dig up whoever the fuck did Vicky II's economy and add commodities alongside strategic resources.

>>169041895

>Of course that would require AI that isn't retarded and doesn't solve the issue of currency

That's the trick, and if you add that, you have to add corporations/private interests as meaningful entities. It snowballs from there.

The sector AI is okay for what it has to do, (as long as you pump resources into it, which also really needs an option for donations larger than 100 at a time.)

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>>169042441
>That's the natural option, but also puts us back to essentially where we are now.
Right now everything is state-owned and operated. What I mean by nationalized/centralized economy is something like fascism or even mercantilism. Where private business exists, but its strictly controlled by the state and all trade and industry is still primarily for the benefit of the state. Companies can't just start up whenever, they need to go through the state for approval, and the state has first dibs on what they produce. You could roleplay that setup with current Stellaris without really having to change anything, because the mechanics of it could be practically invisible.

>Maybe in the short term they could cobble something together with unity/influence mana and just represent internal currency with various modifiers.
Yeah but it's not really any different from the invisible consumer goods thing they're implementing. To me there's little point if it's basically just up to roleplay and not no tangible gameplay.

>>169042735
The main issue I see is that it creates a really binary situation where either a colony is privately operated or it's not, and what that means for the rest of the systems in your influence that aren't part of the colony. Would there be different corporations for colony management and space mining? I'd think so, but I have no idea how to go about organizing it in a way that makes sense with current Stellaris features. There's just too much missing for it to work.

>>169043082

>You could roleplay that setup with current Stellaris without really having to change anything, because the mechanics of it could be practically invisible.

You definitely could and I try to, but it doesn't solve the real issue that a well-implemented currency/economic system would - having jack shit to do during peacetime.

Having a Vicky-like system would solve this. You can play that game without ever going to war and still have fun.

Fucking Wiz

>>169043557
>but it doesn't solve the real issue that a well-implemented currency/economic system would - having jack shit to do during peacetime.
Yep, that's what I keep coming back to. Roleplay is all well and good, but in the end you're just sitting there waiting for numbers to go up because you can't actually do anything and have nothing to manage except in your imagination. I've got to sit down and actually plan out how to implement a currency system and then mail it 50 times to Paradox's HQ until they look at it, if only so they start thinking about seriously implementing something like it.

>>169043365

I shat out some ideas in >>169040979 and >>169038680

But they're half-cocked band-aid fixes at best that try to make something meaningful out of space mana (((mechanics))).

>>169043745

>I've got to sit down and actually plan out how to implement a currency system and then mail it 50 times to Paradox's HQ until they look at it

You're best bet is unironically making a reddit account and trying to post on r/stellaris.

I've been thinking about doing it for the same reasons as they seem to ackshually read posts there.

Paracuckplaza is obviously out of the question, you'd get x6000000 respectfully disagree within minutes for trying to improve the game.

>>169008412
oh boy just what we needed, a new top tier civ.

>>169007702
It's Darth Vader.

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WHERE THE FUCK IS UTOPIAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>169040338
pls respond

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>>169045993
>>169040338
why dont you click the link to find out

Any good mods that increase the amount of pre-FTL races in Stellaris?

>>169004231
>gas
Man, it would be cool to have weird aliens living in 'unlikely' environments, like a Gas Giant dwelling race.

>>169046674
Isn't that what space whales are? They migrate around feeding on gasses from gas giants I thought.

>>169046674
There is an event for that.

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Post the first empires you ever made for the game, if you don't have those then just post whatever.

>>169046761
Yeah but they don't necessarily live in a Gas Giant's atmosphere/biosphere.
>>169046846
Yeah, though I would also like to see playable Gas Giant and Silicon Ayys, among other strange aliens.

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>>169046890
Sci-fi version of my donotsteal fantasy race for a donotsteal fantasy setting.

Basically ascetic bird-headed zealots.

>>169046327
I did, I just don't know if those are all the DLC.

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>>169006245
>Implying we wouldn't be the warp gods

>>169031636
It is not. I bought both and haven't touched them past the first game.

Stupid-ass reskin... I was hoping for SMAC2.

>>169046890
I chose the militarist humans for my first play

then I realized it sucked so I never played long enough for a second round to make my own

>>169045243
Wait... That's him?

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>>169046890
dont have a species screen capped but this was my first empire I got to a victory condition

>>169045981
it's over there

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>>169049532
always out of reach
;_;

>>169049304
It's 2017 and you don't know that James Earl Jones is the voice of Darth Vader?

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>>169049339

10/10

>>169049795
darth vader is white

>>169043745
>but in the end you're just sitting there waiting for numbers to go up because you can't actually do anything
This is every 4X game ever

>>169049795
Well, I'm French. And the French version of Star Wars had like three different VA for Darth Vader.
Also he was named Dark Vador in the French version because fuck you.
And the Death Star was called the Black Star.

>>169041846
walled by shitty civs, when I was ready to open em up kithri showed up
the northen one is a fed with which i had associated
dumb mistakes, really, but that's what I get

>>169049929
The actors that were inside the suit, yes, but his voice actor is James Earl Jones.

>>169050974
>3 different VA
>dark vador
>black star
lmao why are all film translations so shit

>>169050974
>italian version was barely translated at all, retaining most of the original names
>but the Death Star was translated to "Morte Nera" (black death)
oh well

>>169006764
>Part of the Great Depression
I'll just bet

>>169051149
It was a long time ago. Back then, the English names were translated to French, quite literally.

Like Chewbacca. In the Empire Strikes Back and the Return of the Jedi, he's "Chewie" Chewbacca.
In the first movie, A New Hope, he was called "Chico", aka "Chewie" in French. And the Millenium Falcon was the Millenium Condor.

It was, what, the '70? It's still way better than another translation I saw, Mr Vampire.
A Chinese movie where "dance to chase the poison" becomes "breakdance, it's in the script" in the English version, because fuck you.

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>>169051451
>breakdance, it's in the script
kek

>>169051451
>"dance to chase the poison" becomes "breakdance, it's in the script"
It looks like a case of the "no surpervision, go nuts" to me, then again I can't really stomach chinese movies

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>>169046890
I don't have a screenshot of the original version of this empire since I've updated it with every new patch, but its ethics are mostly unchanged. They used to be xenophobic, collectivist, militarists at the start, but I made the change to fanatic collectivists a while ago. Based on a sci-fi setting I've been writing about, I never really designed them to be optimal.

>>169051873
Seems to me people really did whatever the fuck they wanted back then.
There's the case of that Chinese movie who was butchered by the English dub (so badly that when I got the DVD, there's no dub, only subs), but French aren't that bad either. Remember the old Spiderman cartoon? Peter Parker was renamed Pierre Parker for just the first episode, and "Spiderman" was renamed "L'Araignée". Which makes sense as it's his name, but you never translate names, or you end up with really silly stuff, like that book I once read where the characters were called "Sublim Elevation of Three Degrees".

>>169051856
I wish I could find it again, just to convince myself I wasn't dreaming.

Why are namelists so fucking bugged?

>>169051149
I dunno', I kinda prefer the names they gave to Count Dooku and Sifo Dias in the Brazilian dub of the prequels.

>>169052864
>Sifo Dias
Who?

>>169052978
The Jedi who ordered the clones to be made

>>169052446
You want a case of "not giving a fuck" I got the most successful one right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys8Onvl1uxA

the whole series' dub is like that

>>169053193
Haaa, yeah.
I remember a parody when he's named Master Doremi Sifadiese.

>>169053209
Bitch, please. You don't know true cringe until you try the French version of Warlords Battlecry. The first one.

It's the definition of "NOT GIVE A FUCK".

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>>169046890
They were mainly for testing and getting a feel for the game, but I updated them after getting mods.

Are we down?

>>169055257
?

Has Wiz/Paradox said anything about how AI personalities are gonna be affected by Banks?

>>169055282
AIs have personalities? They seem to act the exact same way.

>>169055269
Can't post pictures anymore for some reason.

>>169055672
oh so it's not just me
posting's fine but yeah can't upload images

>>169055737
I wondered if all of 4chan was down or just the pictures.

>>169055316
Very funny.
Shit like Fanatic Purifiers, Ruthless Capitalists, Hive Minds, that sort of thing, are gonna be affected since they've moved stuff around to civics and other things.
I haven't read anything on changes though.

>Stellaris and 3 other games have 16.1 MB updates queued in Steam

I bet the molluscoids did this!

W
HOMEWORLD MOD WHEN?
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>>169008412

There is not a single bad thing about this civilization, if you roll a city near a mountain or find a wonder you win science forever.