Roguelike General - /rlg/

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man that was pretty quick, there was some talk, I did some work for 45 minutes or so, came back and we were faulted. That's not even deadgenre material in my book...it's middle of a Tuesday, people should mostly be at school and work such that the board slows down, but I guess there are enough NEETs screeching at one another over League of Counterwatch in the other threads to drown stuff out.

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important reminder

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>>168334352
oh wait never mind we actually legitimately reached a full thread, fair enough. Didn't realize we were closing in on the limit.

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hey /rlg/, post what your character looks like!

>>168301065
escape

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>>168336405
are those sparkles

p. kawaii

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>>168335281

>>168336639
what the h*ck is that
a cdda robit

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>new ghost waifu
delicious.
I like the idea of a light-snake, I really like light and always try to get it on my summoner due to how many demos are weak to light/dark.

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>>168336692
Full pic.

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Thanks acquirement.

Invisibility is really good in Spider's Nest. Only things with see invisible are Entropy Weavers (confusable), Arachne (confusable) and Demonic Crawlers (dazzleable). Easiest rune for an enchanter by far. Invisibility makes Orc easy too. Don't forget to let the contamination time out after each use, Ghost Moths are a big problem if you can't safely cast it.

Ok.
3 2 1, lets splat!

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>>168342927
unf
i'll splat for you every day, anon

>>168342927
/rlg/ are all having intense and fulfilling sexual relations with their girlfriends right now. Maybe they just don't have time to spend with roguelikes anymore.

How are those combat mariliths coming along?

>>168343327
Nah I'm alone watching Border Wars on National Geographic and not playing roguelikes

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>>168342927
I got u bby

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Happy valentines day, /rlg/! I hope you found your valentines, but if you spent it with playing roguelikes, remember to take it easy, just relax and if you splat, learn from it!

>>168346446
>if you splat, learn from it!
I refuse

If I splat, I'll blame it on all the qts who've ignored me.

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>>168347352
do NOT blame your splat on qts, arelgee
you must have a learning experience

>>168334356
What's he been up to, I haven't been to /rlg/ since he was doing those IA streams

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>shafted 3 floors
>right in the middle of bee hive
>telescroll puts me further in
>no stairs up

fucking PLS

>>168350150
Hive was only one level and also it was removed

>>168350317
there are still beevaults

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>>168350317
im playing .17 and all i know is there are tons of bees, so i went to the bailey for some breathing room. And now i'm cheesing these orc nights like a bastard

I feel no remorse.

>>168351275
merfolk is strong

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>>168348730
He played fun nonroguelikes and shared good music.

Anyway I was thinking: Why don't they just make a DDA mod that makes it so that zombies only drop rags
It's pretty easy to implement

What's the point of Charms in DCSS currently?

Haste got removed, Repel Missiles got removed, THE two spells you trained Charms for. Getting Regeneration was always an afterthought from getting RMsl. Now that it's gone, what's the point of ever bothering with Charms?

- Infusion - absolute horseshit only in the game so that Skalds have a starting spell.
- Shroud of Golubria - slightly less of a horseshit existing for the same reason as the above
- Swiftness - "that spell you should have but won't use more often than once in 50 games"
- Ozocubu's Armor - probably the only good one
- Regeneration - a waste of XP on most characters you'd bother casting it with, better invest in some ranged weapon instead
- Spectral Weapon - again, only a few characters will bother
- Excruciating Wounds - literally a meme flavor spell
>level 5
nice waste of xp there
- Deflect Missiles
>level 6
lel
- Ring of Flames
>level 7
actually not that bad
- Death's Door
to quote tavern: if you have a character able to cast this spell, you shouldn't need it anymore

Remove Charms already, what are they even doing in this game? Do we need a trap for newbies or something? But even that is already fulfilled by Poison Magic.

devs plz

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Happy Valentine's Day!

>>168353116
looks like the devs' subversion of charms is working
they keep removing or nerfing the spells to shit and eventually make players see them as useless

>>168353116
>Remove Charms already

That was the goal from the beginning, Winston.

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>>168354859

>>168353116
>Regeneration
It's free HP, why would you ever not want this? The only problems with this spell are it's annoying to cast all the time and it doesn't work in lichform.

>>168355375
beware the hunger cost

>>168355448
>implying food clock ever matters

Regen uses less food than waiting for natural healing with more characters.

Anyone still trying to complete the PCB Marilith challenge set a few threads back? Mine keeps getting splat, would love to see some hexa-wield badass setups

>>168356280
no pcb is shit and gimmicks are even shiter

>>168356280
I want to but after reading that you're not supposed to actually clear out each floor I'm at a bit of a loss
How do you actually go about diving

>>168357970
>how do you dive
step one see >
step two walk to >
step three press > key

just have some monster detection and emergency consumables so you can deal with scary OOD shit by running away from it instead of dying to it

>>168358193
So just go as deep as possible, grab everything of value on your way to the next downstairs, and tele as soon as you see something threatening
I can do this!

>>168358570
once you have a rod of detect monsters or something

in the early game, before you get one, there's more of an art to knowing how deep you can safely get without being in trouble

but still, you advance a lot faster in levels etc if you are on the deepest level you can safely be at.

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>>168357970
it's about finding a floor depth range in which you want to be fighting (generally, as deep as you can survive without constantly needing to burn up high tier consumables), not about clearing a particular floor.

>>168358570
buying ?Detect Monster, ?Teleport, ?Phase, and !CureCritical helps a ton early on, giving you information, survivability, and options.

>>168359319
yeah basically
it has to be deep enough to have good loot but not so deep that you can't actually defeat the enemies without spending consumables

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>The Archpriest summons friends!
>Azriel, Angel of Death answers the call!

Hello My valentines day anon's. Teach me how to undead warlock in poschangband. i'm nearing the end of the stronghold.

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>>168360204
>mfw

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There's absolutely no way out is there?

>>168357970
Honestly anon play however you want to play, don't feel like you have to play the way people tell you, it's just fucking sad. If you want to clear out each floor, you clear out each floor, simple as that. Hell I still do that, it's hardly 'optimal' sure but if you care more about that than you do freedom or fun, you've got some issues son.

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>>168360402
greetings love
I have not done undead warlock yet myself, but I assume you're more casty and less hitty? Make sure to bring plenty of detection and healing to the bottom floor, and liberally re-generate it by reaching it via different stairs, or by recalling to reset the dungeon until you get a layout where you don't have to be in sight of a ton of caster 'p's at once while trying to kill the boss. If you're using recall to reset, make sure to set your recall point to floor 14, to prevent appearing in a bad spot in the middle of the bossfloor. Watch out, he often has a berserker in his initial band of friends, and one of those can easily fuck you up if it reaches you. It could even be worth delaying the bossfight for a bit, since casters often have some trouble, given that the boss starts with and summons a bunch of ranged damaging disablers (mages/mindcrafters/priests). If you have stone to mud, you can dig a zigzag tunnel as an anti-summoning corridor ("ASC") so you aren't in sight of lots of guys.

You should probably open up Morivant and Telmora soon. You can likely handle the quest monster on Angband 6...all the Angband quest floor bosses are guaranteed to drop an at least 'ego' quality item so you can hope for something useful there. Similarly, you can handle the initial few stages in the Telmora town arena for some devices. Then, once you've beaten the Stronghold boss, probably start adventuring in Orc Caves. The boss is +10 speed so you will want !Speed of your own, then kite him with phase door and ranged magic once you separate him from his entourage (they are only +0 speed so you should be able to draw him off).

gl

>>168357970
>>168361169
yeah this is true. You certainly *can* clear floors and that's totally fine. Rather, the point more is that, unlike crawl, you aren't losing out on anything in the long term by leaving a floor behind. So if you're in danger, for example, just leave.

>>168361225
magic mapping + detect monsters can help a lot to find a relatively safe version of Stronghold 15

>>168361067
WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKK

dat corrosion level
dose negative stats

That might be the most impressive death I've ever seen.

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>>168361169
It's less "shit I was playing suboptimal the ENTIRE TIME" and more "man early game takes so long jesus christ what am I supposed to do"
The game seems like it'd be more fun diving anyways, I just wasn't sure how to get my hands dirty

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>>168361067

>>168362039
>explore mode
he would have died a longass time ago, he's just invincible

>>168362182
To be fair, I activated it before dying, and was doing pretty good before the fucking elves kept casting me into the abyss

>>168361225
Thanks for the tip love. I clear angband 6 and got a broken sword of chaos. worth using i think for the resist cold and chaos cause i never melee shit anyway. what does mark of chaos do? now its back to stronghold to try and clear floor 15.
>>168361652
also thanks for the tips on mapping. I have detect living and detect undead which while not as good as detect monsters does basically the same thing in the stronghold with all the p's

>>168363098
mark of chaos means it randomly jumps between different types of brands and slays, weighted towards ones that will work on your target. It's in general one of the best brands, though since a broken sword's base damage dice are small (assuming yours didn't get some ludicrous dice boosting on generation) and brands are multipliers to dice, it will be only okay and not stellar on that front.

>>168355448
Yeah it would suck if I got hungry while turning monsters into food. Oh wait hunger is never a problem outside of some extended game hell that most players don't even bother with.

>>168363385
cool. sounds better than i expected. Also how to i get more spell points? i have a pretty small amount, granted i'm level 15 but still. i only have 64.

>>168364709
raise your casting stat
as a warlock it's charisma

although note that your eldritch blasts don't cost any sp, only your undead powers do

>>168361067
No but please show next turn.

>>168364709
gaining levels, increasing your casting stat (Chr), wearing items with <+15%> (or whatever value) to mana

some classes such as mage lose maximum mana by wearing too much (level-dependant) amounts of armor, not sure if warlocks fall into that category though

also some classes (again such as mage) reduce mana pool if they're wearing non-dexterity-adding non-free-action gloves, again not sure if warlocks care about that though

>>168364709
also potions of clarity can be quaffed to recover some mana

>>168364709
race matters a bit too, for each racial plus or minus 1 to casting stat, you get plus or minus 5% mana pool

>>168334502
alive af.

good beginner combos for PCB plx

>>168366325
balrog warrior
human rogue of sorcery
tonberry blood knight

>>168366502
which of those gets to wear the most equipment?
I hate finding gozu gear and not being able to wear it.

>>168366836
one nice thing about those guys is all 3 are very good at equipment-wearing

I mean they aren't as great at wearing magey items, but in general casters have a lot more restrictions. Also they are all regular-shaped, so they get the standard slots instead of the "my gimmick is lots of boots and no arms" or whatever that some monster races have

>>168366836
I can vouch for tonberry blood knight being fun. I've gotten to the midgame with them too.

Also i'll throw in my recommendation for Demigod of Zeus Warrior. If you're feeling a "standard" hit dudes and be hella good at hitting dudes and doesn't afraid of nothing, it can take you places. leveling is pretty slow tho.

>>168366325
>Trump rogue (pick something sensible as your race)
Gets teleport self, teleport other and telepathy early on, combined with good stealth so you can avoid/escape easily

>high elf warrior
All it does is tab, but you're really good at it.

>chaos/sorcery mage
If you simply must play a wizard. They have lots of issues come midgame, though.

>>168366325
android mauler!

become the ultimate smashing robot
hit things so hard that you create earthquakes
hit things so hard that they explode into a shower of blood and the blood explosion kills all their nearby friends

just hit things really fucking hard

>>168367174
*hecka

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>>168367417
can confirm maulers are amazing
they do suffer a bit from a "this cool weapon dropped that I cannot use because it doesn't weigh a bajillion pounds" though

OTOH splatter is one of the most entertaining abilities in the game.

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Our hostile takeover of the final level of the stronghold begins. These humans are all my undead slaves now. I have to say being able to conjure the corpses of the fallen into my soldiers is hella fun. I didn't expect to get this into though I was hoping the undead mechanic would be cool. Right now the plan is to raise an undead army and unseat Meng Hu from their throne.

>>168367604
>tfw you unironically wield Winblows because it's the only thing heavier than a lance you've found all game
>tfw you do 2000 damage/round with it

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>>168367657
doot doot mr meng

>>168368095
yeah winblows is amazing on maulers
and it makes for absolutely ridiculous randarts

>>168368095
Literally the worst thing about maulers is half their good standarts have the obnoxious earthquake-on-hit property.

>>168368362
earthquake on hit is amazing for maulers though

if your damage dice roll >50 it has a 100% chance to stun non-uniques, and uniques are stunned unless they save vs your strength score

and maulers have damage dice in spades

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>>168367657
>orientbeauties.net
man I have never been into asians

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>>168369027
why not

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no clue

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We death quasit now boy

>>168372849
enjoy your ULTIMATE WALL-WALKING POWER
for the 10 short levels that you'll have it

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And Meng Hu Falls to me. but my army lays in tatters. ultimately this is no matter, for the fallen shall rise. In all seriousness. That was more of a war than a battle. i'm used to playing hit dudes and just cleaving my way through his horde. this was more of a lead the armies charge, stand in the hallway blasting things from a distance. MVP unit was a baby red dragon zombie that breath weapon'd the entire mass like right at the beginning killing all the super annoying mindcrafters.

>>168373321
just fyi in case you don't know, 'p' brings up the pets menu.

glad you survived and won

Alright, I'm trying all your suggestions in order, this might take a while.

Android sounds like a meme though, but I'll see.

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>>168373321
oh boy 13 whole scrolls of aggravate monster

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Does anyone know why vehicles with mounted turrets shoot zombies on their own nowadays?

Like, specifically zombies; they didn't touch me at all.

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>>168375070
droid is pretty strong and can be fun, though it has some annoying aspects. Your levels early on come in huge chunks as you find good drops. You get an intrinsic attack spell that's pretty good and levels up with you, gain bonus AC per level (quite strong but subtle, hard to notice the effect), and since it would mess with droid xp stuff you are completely immune to racial polymorph and statswap.

>>168343649
>>168356280
In the middle of my best one so far, which is still only 33. A lot die in the late 20s because I make poor life choices.

why could my shift+move not work anymore in PCB?

>>168376903
nevermind it works again, that was weird.

>>168376903
Probably numlock.

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>>168377295
yeah that was it. I was under the impression that numlock had to be on for it, apparently not.

Balrog Warrior is diesel as fuck so far and the bandits -> warg route is a great kickstart. I forgot to buy a scroll of recall though ~~

why does the game freak out when I slay some molds? pic related.

Now that 555/666 are gone, what do I do with my ?ofAcquirement? I was thinking of maybe popping down into R'lyeh or something, but this is my best Tanar'ri so far and I would rather not die if possible.

>>168377983
It's rude to kill things that are napping.

You can turn off the virtue system in birth options, though I found the game seemed a little dull without those messages for some reason. I'm not sure if they actually do anything of consequence.

Also, holy fuck I forgot how hard DE sorceror darkness storms hit. Went into the arena without thinking and would've died if I didn't coincidentally have a pair of healing pots.

>>168378693
>I'm not sure if they actually do anything of consequence.
they have a very wide variety of mild effects, including influencing such things as accuracy, number of items spawned, or (with chance virtue) getting better effects out of Wonder. But outside of the chance/wonder thing the effects are quite mild in magnitude. I wouldn't worry about min-maxing for them. Agreed that the flavor is nice even though the message spam gets annoying later on, when the messages are already long.

though if you do play with virtues on you can enjoy getting some...compassion (I think) virtue by using a wand of heal monster on a town leper to cure him.

>>168378693
i usually use dragon's lair, since the travel to r'lyeh is so spoopy.
>in before the stairs collapse it breathes storm winds you stand your ground what a noble sacrifice

>>168379204
I like how my meme monks of nature tend to end up being arch-enemies of nature, just because I punch hundreds of dogs in the face.

>>168379440
that might actually be increasing your spell fail rates by a tiny bit

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>>168379072

>>168379204
also virtues can make certain enemies appear hostile or friendly

>>168378693
if you want to see literally all the virtue effects, here's the search for it. In each of the files returned by this search, do your own text search for "virtue_current" (since it often will appear in more than one place, but the search page linked will just select one part as a sample)

https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=virtue_current

They're kindof neat but yeah quite minor in magnitude generally.

>>168379976
ah yes the influencing friendly/hostile monsters thing is sometimes relevant
>tfw you summon a thing, do not fail the spell (which would give hostile summons), but your virtues or alignment make it hostile anyways

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>>168379336
I'd say that went fairly well.

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>>168380683
hot diggity

>>168380613
>tfw Demeter summons ents but they're all friendly to you and they beat her up

>>168380683
Hmm, rCa lets me switch off my armour for Arvedui. ~30/round of slaying and reflect seems like it's worth losing for resist sound, nexus, shards, fear, and a dozen AC or so. I like reflect, but things seem to be mostly going for balls, breaths, and mana bolts appear to punch through it anyway, so maybe it's not actually that useful anymore.

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Okay, I'm a Really Bad Day Shower Victim. I've got to find a first aid kit within 12 hours or I die from infection.

I've checked the Pharmacy, but there were no kits there. I checked the doctor offices, but if there were any kits there they're in the vaults. I broke the consoles trying to access the vaults, so I guess I have to break through the walls somehow.

Is there any location on this map that's likely to have good bashing weapons? That museum has already be checked.

There are a couple vehicles with M60 turrets operating on them; one with everyone but a battery. I've found a garage with a "storage battery (60000);" would that work to get it operational? I ask because I noticed that some stray bullets from one of the M60 turrets took down a wall, and I'm hoping to repeat that feat at one of the nearby doctor offices.

Alternatively, aside from the doctor offices and pharmacy, are there any other locations that are likely to have a first aid kit?

>>168381296
There's nothing specific about mana bolt that is more likely to penetrate reflection, it's just that all bolts have a chance.

>>168381296
Manabolts don't punch through reflection ???

>>168381359
I'm pretty sure I've heard CDDA players say bathrooms in houses can be a source

>>168379510
It actually lists the spell failure effects now on your character sheet. Notably good aligned death or demon priests (which you inevitably end up with since killing everything makes you good apparently) get up to 10% penalty.

>>168381359
>are there any other locations that are likely to have a first aid kit?
Ambulances in the street, and rarely house bathrooms. Antibiotics will work as well, if you find any of those.

> I've found a garage with a "storage battery (60000);" would that work to get it operational?
Yes, but you'd need mechanics skill and probably a welder to install it, which I assume you don't have.

If you find any kind of working car you could try using it as a battering ram to get into the locked rooms, though make sure it has a seat belt or you'll probably just kill yourself.

>>168381547
>>168381492
Ah, just sampling bias on my part, then. Good to know.

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I just got gangraped by a never-ending group of gremlins. Phase Doored out of there after realizing that they wouldn't stop coming, went to the nearest stairs and this is where I end up.

why on earth are you playing with tiles though

>>168383504
>those tiles
They're actually worse than nethack's. I don't believe it.

are there any rogues for non aspies?

I can't distinguish ascii whatsoever

>>168336920
I'm really looking forward to this build too. I figure that alma will have icy hammer, which will please me because the only demons that currently have that ability are yetis and they appear fairly late in the current game.

>>168384010
>>>/lite/

>>168384010
DCSS and Infra Arcana both have nice tilesets

>>168384010
brogue doomrl and ia if $0.01/post shills are to be believed
dcss if retard shitters are to be believed

>>168383504
start recall, maybe use teleport (or phase I guess, sounds like you're not packing teleport?), consider quaffing speed if you have it to make distance if you need to.

This is all assuming things are actually dangerous. I can't tell what the monster tiles are of, but from the post tone I gather they're relevant things

>>168384810
I just splatted like a dumbass, but it's coo' because I never actually got this far.
Drank 3 heal critical wound and tried to weasel my way out, but the door I went for was locked.
Next run will be tonberry blood knight!

Also, tell me about the gremlins, anon. or give me a link to some sort of *band wiki so I don't have to bother y'all

>>168385197
mikedebo.ca/files/poschengband-spoilers/mon-info.spo
>it breeds explosively

>>168385197
https://nikheizen.github.io/ but feel free to keep asking shit.

Gremlins just breed a lot. A rod of pesticide or stinking cloud is a good way to kill them early on, but honestly they're more trouble than they're worth so I tend to leave if at all possible.

Is PCB's Lucky personality useful?
I mean, I usually find a hefty amount of randarts even without it.
The only time it might be worth the -2 to all stats is with unique specific artifacts, since ya one get one shot at those...

>>168385453
It's mostly useful for being one of the personalities with high skill bonuses, and -2 stats is far better than sexy's aggravation.

I don't think the drops thing is anything noticeable considering how random it is to begin with.

>>168384052
i cant distinguish pcbtiles whatsoever
they're terrible abominations

>>168384052
Might wanna check if ya have dyslexia, anon...

>>168385453
lucky is pretty nice, it gives a good initial boost to pretty much all the skills (including melee) and it makes you find items as though you were 10 levels deeper IIRC, which is pretty nice, especially for finding that first good weapon. In the late game it's generally still very feasible to max or nearly max your important stats.

in terms of min/maxing, the best personalities are probably lucky for the items and mighty/patient for the 102% personality liferating. Sexy is fun but aggravation is pretty serious. Lazy is extremely painful but has the cute lazy 3 artifacts plan "eventually". Fearless is actually pretty good IMO despite the 98% life, since the stats are decent and rFear is actually legit. Combat is...fine. Nimble has 99% life, which I don't like but it's still reasonable to take. Hasty is pretty good. I have not been able to think up a sufficient non-roleplay justification for shrewd or craven.

>>168385927
My text to speech software made this sound like a veiled insult, but I'm not too sure now.

>>168385308
>>168385413
cheers. fucking gremlins.

>>168385989
Shrewd actually has the highest device skills of them all, so maybe shrewd warrior is... not horrible?

>>168385784
>>168385989
Oh, are skill bonuses really worth more than stats?
I mean, aren't stat pots pretty rare? I've only found 3-4 since I've started playing...

>>168386215
yeah I've thought about it maybe being okay on hybrids or melees that already have good hp but need help on that side of things.
For a noncaster like warrior I'd just go with lucky though, nearly as good a devices bonus and not wasting the casting improvement.

>>168386262
The skills from personality are flat bonuses rather than per-level, so overall they're not that important, but skill in devices and stealth, and to a slightly lesser degree melee (or shooting for those classes) are still quite valuable. Yes stat pots are fairly rare, but in the long run if you survive you'll end up maxing your internal stats and then not picking up stat pots any more. In order to push up from "well my internal stats are capped but I'm not at the 18/220 maximum yet" you need to wear +stat equipments.

>>168385813
are there any custom tilesets? I know that nethack has a ton.

>>168387001
none at all
nethack has the dual advantages of being way more popular and having way fewer things to create tiles of

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fuck

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Oh... Okay...

>>168389224
outplayed

So is a roguelike the same thing as a MUD? First time looking at this general and I'm confused. I used to play MUD's back in the day.

Do Tonberries actually benefit from using daggers or does it not matter? The spoilers don't really help.

>>168389419
Semi-related: For a while I got HellMOO and C:DDA mixed up and thought the latter was "that orphan raping game."

>>168389448
Tonberries get no special bonus for wielding one, but their maximum possible skill with Sabres is always "Master", even for classes that would normally have a lower cap.

>>168389419
Anyway, not really. The closest things to multiplayer elements in these games are "player ghosts," and those are only in like two games.

>>168389419
>>168390483
There are multiplayer roguelikes like TomeNET thought, but I wouldn't recommend it if you're just starting out.

do potions with negative effects serve a purpose in PCB aside from discouraging you from quaff-IDing?

>>168392534
some you can throw

so basically no

>>168392534
Some, like paralysis or slowing, can be thrown at monsters.

Others (including death) only affect the player, and so are totally useless.

>>168392772
What happens if you drink a potion of detonations?

Asking for a friend.

>>168394174
>Massive explosions rupture your body!
Then you take 50d20 damage, and become heavily stunned and mortally wounded.

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Thank heavens for dark elven warlocks, am I right?

>DL8
>ring of wizardry, staff of conjurations and amulet of life
how hard will I splat?

Also, do enhance staves improve spell damage beyond their maximum spellpower? Or is using them and worshiping vehumet for the spellpower useless if you're already capped?

>>168394589
>tfw giant pack of DE warlocks in a big room
>tfw _holiness

>>168394882
no, enhancers won't boost you above the max spellpower

vehumet doesn't give spellpower at all though. she only reduces failrates, increases range, and gives you mana for kills

>>168394963
>she

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lmao, nigga got issues

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I fucking hate security bot

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That's easier than I thought.

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I am completely lost.
Tonberry Blood Knight, if that matters at all.

>>168396180
you can press ~W to see your melee damage with your currently equipped weapon

as a tonberry blood knight you probably just want whichever weapon gives the most blows

>>168396702
>you can press ~W to see your melee damage with your currently equipped weapon
oh fuck, that's handy. I somehow missed that, thanks.

>>168396702
well, the blows are 0.20 for every weapon, be it the dagger or the lance. should I just go for the most useful properties then?

what's the benefit of dual-wielding aside from having a potential stat-stick?

>>168397834
Well dual wielding lets you use two weapons at once with more potential damage but much worse accuracy (and you need good dual-wield skill)

It's pretty bad for a Tonberry though -- their racial thing gives them a big increase to damage per hit but decreased number of blows. When they dual-wield, both weapons get the full blows penalty but they only get half the damage bonus each.

>>168398038
I fetched a shitty metal shield from the town for now. Didn't expect dual-wield to work like that, but I guess it's relatively logical.

Also the 2d3 sickle seems to do the most average damage, so I'm sticking with it for now - seems like none of the weapons is exceptionally good.

>>168398581
if they all do the same damage then you can pick ones based on their useful secondary abilities
like Nimthanc over there with the +1 speed and cold resistance

bump in the night

With my Undead warlock in poschengband do I get experience for pets doing damage and killing things?

>>168402557
About a third or something like that, and they can't last-hit uniques.
The only class that gets full XP from pet kills is the monster class Quyltjthuthjtyuthyjlkjljkjuhuhg.

>Find a +6 staff of firebolt in a D:2 vault in Brogue after not playing roguelikes for half a year.
>Die to an eel 30 seconds later
It's tough being so stupid.

>>168379072
Arena dungeon or Arena Arena?

>>168389224
lul wtf, great game design

>>168403613
>using potions
dungeon clearly

>>168401849
>night
Nigga I been at work an hour already by the time of your post

>>168401849
is this a subtle darkest dungeon reference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLRjqb1L9_4

Can you do anything with friendly NPC in PosChengband?

>>168408404
You can murder them

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First time I see this monster, let's see his stat.
>armor_bash : 64
>armor_cut : 64
>armor_acid : 20
>armor_fire : 20

What the fuck, I'll just leave him alone.

>>168375193
A PR fixed semi-manual turrret mode in build 6218, this might actually be the intended behaviour. Only turrets set to automatic fire will do it so be glad that you can't get killed by a tank shell hitting a zombie next to you on its own. And christ those tiles are ugly.

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>{cursed}
WWHHHHHHYYYYY

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14 mini nukes and 1 science id card.
It's obvious which one I'll use for opening the lab door right ?

>>168411419
mininuke endings make me nervous. ive fired a law into one by accident while trying to take out secubots

also how did u build ur dude? im assuming you used computer skill to get into mag storage?

>>168388553
ooh, fcrawl!

>>168389224
excellent

>>168408404
you can use wand of heal monster to cure mangy lepers

>>168410623
oh wewll...but what you really need is _Holiness and _Healing, they're a billion times stronger

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That got serious real fast.

>>168416890
mystics and grand master mystics are like never worth it

though obviously in this case the darkness storm is a pretty big deal

>>168403613
Arena arena.

>>168403613
>>168404020
>>168418448

OK well now I'm confused.

>>168416656
Agreed, but my INT isn't high enough (or likely to get high enough) to make the fail rates on those low enough - in fact I have a Holiness in my house. This was a staff of resistance though, that's what makes it really sting.

>>168416890
>you attack the Phase spider
fault

>>168412210
Unwilling Mutant, all points on stats / traits.
I'm lucky enough to find a stair that lead to armory.

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>>168411419

>>168411419
The ID card?
I will be so mad at you if you waste 14 minibuses like that.

>>168421642
Probably, I don't want to deal with mini nuke's radiation.
I'll disassemble 1 or 2 mini nukes into grenade and throw it into turret then open the door with id card.
Correction : 45 mini nukes, actually.

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Welp. I've yet to get the hang of no-wilderness.

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How would you use YOUR chaos orb of elemental fire

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>>168423927
even after being nerfed that guy is still a pretty huge asshole

>>168424362
I usually skip him by going from Lonely Mountain to Arena, but that's not an option here.

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>/domg/ has the "0 days without elvish tricks" image dicks made as its OP

Joyous day.

>>168424073
getting to the gate
duh

>>168419095
It was the arena in Telmora or whichever is the town with really boxy shops. I don't know why that guy thinks you can't drink in it. Maybe you can't in vanilla PCB; I play R these days, but it would be kind of odd if they re-enabled potions but kept the restriction on activatables.

>>168425858
>I don't know why that guy thinks you can't drink in it
You can't drink in R either, UNLESS you're a berserker.
In that case,you can drink even in vanilla PCB.

>>168425982
probably potionmasters can too

>>168408404
you can walk around near them, they will fight hostile enemies
but unlike pets, "friendly" monsters don't care about hitting you with their spells
so if you run into a friendly unique dragon you shouldn't stand near the things it's trying to kill if you don't wanna get breathed on

>>168425982
Doesn't seem to apply to tanar'ri either, which is what I did it on. Monster races being kind of wonky in another way wouldn't really surprise me, to be honest.

>>168426304
Yeah, all devicemasters can use their devices, zerkers can use potions and there's other exceptions to the rule.
They're all vanilla PCB's changes.

>>168426421
Monster races don't have innate healing spells (except for Angel, which has a 325% xp penalty!) so I think they can drink potions.
I am not going to check.

>>168426564
angel is pretty strong to be fair
balrog too, that one also has a huge xp penalty

>>168426634
It's lacking compared to psion (anything) or (anything) monk of nature, both of which have a 200% lower xp penalty and can cast more utility spells.

>>168426818
yeah but it can also happily wear a 6d6 sword, a shield, and heavy body armor

>>168426926
psions have no equipment restrictions either

>>168426926
So can psions
have you tried a psion anon
they are fucking broken beyond belief

>>168427018
>>168427040
yeah but 4 blows cap if you don't spec melee. I suppose angels are only 5 blows themselves though, I thought they were warrior-based like many monster races but they're actuallyu priest-based.

>>168427345
Psions get up to 6.5 blows with the appropriate buff spell though.

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Newb here. Vikhor's sanctum or tower 4? I think I might be a little underleveled because I had to make a quick escape at level 2

>>168427431
well he did say "if you don't spec melee".
But still, the combat form completely gimps your other psion powers other than healing, because it cuts the spell timer in half or more
Considering just how much combat transformation 5 costs without being able to use mindpsring freely it's kind of a bummer

>>168427496
In general the side-path options are better to take if you can manage them. You can still go to tower:4 after the sanctum.

>>168427679
Isn't one of the psion final powers to shit on monster spellcasting?

>>168428352
Yeah, but
a) it costs a shitton of mana against 50+ monsters
a1)Mana you can't regen since that's the OTHER final psion power
b)it can be dispelled by 70+ monsters (hello yes this is black reaver how can I help you), leaving you with a completely depleted mana bar and no defenses
c) It lasts less than ten turns at its highest power
C2) good luck recasting that

>>168428352
the psion can choose one of several pretty OP powers at level 50

-Mindspring: Basically infinite mana. You can buff up with this and then spam psi storms every turn and stay at full sp.
-Mental Fotress: makes you totally immune to dispel-magic and anti-magic (and stat drain for some reason?), and buffs spellpower by up to 35% while active
-Psionic Foresight: You have a massive chance (up to 65% or something?) to "see that one coming" and completely avoid any incoming damage.
-Disruption: Monsters that try to cast any spell around you have a massive chance to fail.

>>168428723
>it can be dispelled
yes but dispel-magic is a spell and so can be blocked by disruption
and even then, as long as you aren't COMPLETELY drained on mana you can just LMAO0%FAILDIMENSIONDOOR around a corner and come back fully rested with all your buffs up again

>>168429000
>yes but dispel-magic is a spell and so can be blocked by disruption
There's several tiers, anon. Black reavers should be able to dispel you even with fortress 4. It's only with 5 that you can be safe except again J

>>168429287
Fortress is total immunity. You are thinking about disruption.

With Disruption monsters can only cast if 1d(monsterlevel) > 1d(player level + 8*disruptionlevel)
so even a level 90 monster has a 50% chance to fail all spells

>>168429476
Oh yeah, my bad.

yeah I haven't done psion yet myself but they do look breddy gud. watched other people play a few.

It is nice that there are so many ways to build them, and you can change it up with !newlife so you don't feel like a bad person for picking the stealth ability or whatever.

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>>168432525

What's a decent place to grind out some gear? My resist are decent (aside from a conspicuous hole at rDark), but I don't do enough damage to deal with high AC enemies. I was killing ancient dragons south of Zul for a bit, but that netted barely any weapons at all, let alone good ones. For reference, everything there was dying reasonably quickly except ancient multihueds, dracolisks, and Hrus.

I was doing Mountain at 45ish before, but wasn't having any luck there either. Would (glass?) Castle be a good bet? Anti-magic cave? I don't get to this point of PCB very often.

>>168426564
My centipede can't drink potions in the arena, I found that out early on. Chances are I'm not going back there til very near end game, given the next opponent is a GWoP - seriously how are you supposed to beat one in the arena without a source of healing?!

>>168428793
No wonder munchkin scrubs play psion so much! Any chance of a massive nerf on the horizon you think?

>>168436401
Getting a centipede to that point seems rather impressive.

>>168436952
I think he's level 48 now, but I feel I've hit a bit of a wall with him. I don't see my collection of boots getting much better, or any of my equipment for that matter, but I'm just not strong enough for the top tier stuff. I decided to take a break from him to play some other games/races, I'll have to go back at some point but I doubt I'll win with him unless there's some big change at level50 I don't know about...

>>168404985
>tfw never played dankest dungeon
>tfw missing out on the greatest roguelike man has ever created

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>>168404985
subtle is debatable

>>168435704
What's your actual health and damage like? What about stockpiles of speed, or _Holiness/_Healing? Since you're having trouble with AMHDs it sounds like you're maybe not ready for Arena dungeon yet, but once you can handle it that's the best place for making the mid to late transition.

>>168437261
attempting to get a good reforge onto dragon boots can help, but yeah it's not going to be easy

>>168435704
555

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Will this fuck me over or is that huge dex buff worth the corrode?

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>>168401849

>>168435704
If your stealth and detection is good, you could try dragon's lair and picking loot off the floor and off the easier dragons. You'll have to watch out for wyrms and uniques and such, though. That's my usual midgame goal once I can get past the dracolisk, though I've never played a death sword that far to know how well it works for them.

Probably not as well, since you're not looking for single strong upgrades like other characters.

>>168438052
it's worth it, I'd wear it. The -rF is more dangerous.

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>>168437948
Sadly gone.

>>168437943
Damage is not great. Just under 600 health, 110 AC, only reusable healing is _cure wounds and _curing, about a dozen !healing, ~50 !curing, plenty of !speed + activated heroic speed on an otherwise garbage ring.

I can reliably kill AMHDs, but two would be a bit dicey. AMHD + ancient single hued dragons are still fine.

>>168438272
I'm playing a Tanar'ri, actually; was specifying weapons because I think they're my biggest gear weakness at the moment.

I did dragon lair for a bit and stopped mainly because I couldn't dent wyrms. Cherry picking ancients and the like seems potentially doable.

>>168438497
Wait, what are you? I figured death sword since you wanted weapons, but.

As you, er, might expect, dual wielding with a zweihander makes it rather hard to hit anything. You should either wield that thing alone, or find something that doesn't weigh 28 lbs to pair with sting.

I finished ze stronghold, where do I go now?

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>When you die to an adder that poisons you floor 2
No really its gotta be the thing I die to the most hands down.

>>168437943
I've done a few reforges onto dragon boots, but generally the outcome hasn't been great. I've not played it in a few weeks so having trouble remembering - my damage output is pretty awesome but despite a decent AC I still seem a bit too squishy. I guess what I really need is a decent stock of potions and stuff but they never seem to drop for me.

Can someone post the nethack autist pic? Google is being a bitch.

>>168439431
Have you been to morivant? Its the town in the middle of the world map basically. you'll want to make for there probably. Dungeon wise you'll almost assuredly want to do the orc caves next.

>>168439431
Don't make the mistake I did - Once you leave outpost, make sure you "<" on the world map to get to the next town - trying to run across manually simply doesn't work.

Semi-newfag here, what games other than dcss have tiles? I can deal with extremely simple graphical presentation but I can't go with just text yet.

I bet this limits my choices a lot but I can't deal with it.

>>168441209
DoomRL

>>168441209
Tales of Maj'Eyal is the rougelike i started with and it has solid sprites.

>>168441209
ASCII is easier to understand than you think. Since almost every enemy has unique characters in *bands for instance, you rarely get "confused" as to what enemy is what.

>>168439431
>ze stronghold
Have you been reading scav comics

>>168441209
Almost all of them actually, though lots of them are rather bad.

PCB:
Do the Anti-Magic and Anti-Melee dungeons have no 'boss' character on the bottom floor?

>>168441806
Nope
But you could mod one if you want

>>168440936
>>168441057
aight, thanks. I noticed that the tavern offers a teleport to other towns, so I'll use that.

>trying to run across manually simply doesn't work.
is it ludicrously far by foot?
>>168441736
I didn't, but you make it sound like I should.

>>168441876
Why on earth would I do that?

>>168441990
You have to get there by foot before you can teleport. Getting there by foot is fine if you "zoom out" the map by pressing "<" in the town area. If you try to do it without that, like I did the first few times because I didn't know any better, you're basically running along an endless road slowly starving to death and repeatedly being ambushed until a swarm of bees kills you.

>>168441990
>I didn't, but you make it sound like I should.
Oh my mistake
There's a new webcomic around that has an entire race of people zat talk like zis

>>168442016
You're playing a *band, so some level of masochism is assumed.

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>>168442643
that kinda extends to roguelikes in general.

Lair:2, XL12, in a corner far away from any up or down stairs:

>Sonja wielding a dagger of distortion
......*sigh*
maybe she doesn't have curare--
>You find it harder to breathe. You begin to slow down.
.....*SIGH*
aaaaand i can't blink away. i guess i'll read a tele scroll.
>Space warps around you.
ok, good. maybe if give myself an agility buff ---
>Space warps around you.
ugh. well, now to cure my slownes--
>You have been cast into the Abyss.

>>168442148
>you're basically running along an endless road slowly starving to death and repeatedly being ambushed until a swarm of bees kills you.
sounds like the proper roguelike experience desu

>>168443529
One time I was cast into the abyss 3 times by the same fuckin elf. His death sticks with me to this day as one of my happiest moments.

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>>168440801
here ya go anon

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Just look at all that F R E E X P

>>168446131
this is why I love spells/abilities like Door Creation

>>168445216
heh
I made that

>>168441209
Demon, though you may as well wait for the next rad update before starting

>>168446856
There's only a super rare kind of wand of door creation in PCB, I've seen it drop only once in 555, despite being 100% useless since even the easiest mobs can crush them easily
you want wall of stone

>>168447581
yes wand of wall building good

>>168447843
but does it make the monsters pay for the wall
this is important

So my undead warlock has run into a bit of hangup. I don't seem to have the damage to kill azog in direct combat. even with !speed. So i guess i need to beef up elsewhere. Any tips on what to hit up next?

>>168448590
Kill durrgins in the mountains

>>168448590
even with your undead blast thing not enough damage? Well, you can do your Angband 12 quest at the very least. If you have cash, check the black markets for offense devices too, though warlocks aren't incredible at using them it's still good to have additional firepower.

>>168449550
>though warlocks aren't incredible at using them
Is it only demon warlocks that have great apts?
I remember my demon warlock had something like [legendary 72], which if I recall correctly was around the same as a devicemaster

>>168449960
yeah demon warlocks are device specialists

>>168447581
Cyberdemons can neither break doors nor open them

>>168451101
Nor the babble but I mean, come on.
It's 2 enemies.

>>168449960
Undead actually have mage-level device skills, and spiders and angels aren't too far behind.

They don't get the demon device power boost, though.

>>168451223
the nice thing is controlling line of sight and having a buffer against non-disintegration monster breath

>>168451783
oh that's better than I thought for undead

So I found an alter to Jiyva in the temple. Should I worship her? Im a vine stalker fighter.

>tfw I finally understand how to use inscriptions for shortcuts

guys, i swear i'm smart

>>168452781
If you've never worshipped Jiyva before, I wouldn't recommend it. Of course, if you're OK with an early death, it's fine to test Jiyva out and see why they're a tough early-game god.

Basically, their jellies will eat everything on the ground -- including shit you haven't touched yet. Jiyva is better in late game where you can carry most of your important items and better care for anything on the ground; in the early game, you'll be racing to finish levels so that shit doesn't get destroyed forever.

Overall, it's not worth it. Meme god for only one main purpose (making Slime a snooze fest).

>>168425005
god bless Dicks

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>>168454207
God bless that marvelous man.

>>168453182
dude inscriptions (and similarly once you get to them autodestroyer scripting and, for casters, macros) are a total game changer

I played vanilla for years before I saw a youtube series where the player used inscriptions. Changed my life, like those videos of people wearing the (only for particular type of) colorblindness-curing glasses.

>>168425005
I've seen a non-zero number of posts about /domg/ in /rlg/. Why is this?

So our undead warlock might be able to give azog a bad day. we hit lvl 25 and got nether ball for a consisten 137 damage. if we can cast it. that should chunk his health alot more than 12d8 will (or at least more reliably).

>>168454642
I dont use inscriptions. how do they work? and any tips for setting them up?

>>168455182
there are variously 2 to 5 people that are in both threads, probably because they are usually complicated fantasy games with graphics that leave a lot to the imagination, with a lot of potential for both roleplaying and tryharding

>>168455308
Note that evil monsters (quite a few monsters are evil, including azog) take only 1/3 (I think) damage from nether.

>>168455308
the help files cover it pretty well (and address a lot of things other anons have answered for you in the thread actually), check them out by pressing "?".

They let you automate or re-bind certain things, so for example I use "@rp" on my scrolls of phase so that I can always read them with rp, instead of r and then looking for whichever letter they've migrated to based on my inventory order. There are a bunch of useful ones.

>>168447581
monsters can only open doors from melee range, so door creation is great as a LOS blocker to stop you from getting breathed or manastormed on
similar idea to ?fog in crawl

if there's a door between you, a monster's only options are "walk close enough to open it" or "breathe disint"
so if e.g. a dragon breathes on you from far off, you can put up doors, jerk off your staff of cure wounds a few dozen times, then open it up again and have full hp to reset the fight

>>168455476
Thats pretty nifty. Can i do that for skills too? having to hit "U" everytime i want to eldritch blast gets annoying. Thanks for the heads up anon.

>>168455461
well that would make sense about why my nether bolt did like no damage to him. damn.

>>168448590
>azog
he is melee-only
you have a 0-cost ranged attack
the town sells phase door scrolls

>>168455663
nah you have to set up a keymap. I would definitely set up a keymap on the 1 key (or tab, or whatever unused thing) that maps to the eldritch blast key sequence.

>>168455751
he's stuck with an evil monsters resists somewhat element tho

>>168455461
half, actually
and evil monsters with rNether are totally immune

>>168455663
press @
create a macro on F1 that presses *tUa or whatever
now you press F1 to zap the closest baddie

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aw shit

this took me like 5 attempts to post, what gives?

>>168455930
his nether ball spell will be shit but all warlocks have eldritch blast as well

>>168456169
fortunately the trees will block the first breaths so you should have a couple chances to attempt tele, if your plan is to bail

>>168456169
>he's actually playing a death sword
didn't you see how the other autist died
he was a top autist too

>throw LCS and shatters around like its nothing
>50 AC
I mean I know that gargoyles are ezmode but this is ridiculous.

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>>168456291
every pcb player tries it at least once

>>168456641
Can anyone explain WHY do smashed healing potions heal all monsters surrounding you but NOT you in the process
That's a really bullshit mechanic

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Why does anyone play pcb?

Do they hate life?

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>>168456805
because that would be nice to the player and therefore terrible

>>168456205
anon, warlock blast type also depends on their pact

>>168456953
Pretty much.

Which roguelike should I play?
Last time I tried roguelikes I played dcss but I don't feel like playing it right now.

Bonus points if it has tiles.

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>>168456953
it's not that they hate life
it's that they love hating life

>>168457163
Each pact gets one unique blast at high level, but the damage on the shared ones is untyped.

>>168457352
Are they trying to reach the true death too?

PCB:
Testing something in wizard mode, got the message come up
>You've stumbled onto something interesting...
I've never seen this message come up before in regular games, what does it mean?

As expected, transforming to a marilith happened at basically the worst possible time.

>>168457334
try Infra Arcana or Demon

>>168457439
such is the goal of all life

>>168457503
it means the wilderness spawned a place. Sometimes it's a shitty empty ruin, sometimes it's the paladin castle or another non-ruined structure, sometimes it's the entrance to a randomgen dungeon. Look around with M to find which direction it is...if it moves out of sight it will disappear.

How 2 use Hex magic in PCB?
I don't know what the fuck "evilly bless" does

>>168457785
>How 2 use Hex magic in PCB?
dew not

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>>168456953
>>168457574

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>>168457893

>>168457893
Appropriately, I do have to build a new character.

>>168457884
Is it bad?
Surely they wouldn't have made a magic school exclusive to the spellcaster class that can only have one school bad!?!?

>>168457785
>>168458308
it is actual agony
you can try using devices or shooting or a racial offense spell or android (and pray for early ego) to get started

check out the ladder for some ideas or stories, but it's not usually fun. There is an entertaining stage where you walk into view of orcs and they all dissolve, I guess, but if your more interested in "hey look at this neat type of magic for one class" you'll have a lot more fun playing bard

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And our undead warlock conquers the orc caves. Azog gave me quite a bit of trouble actually. his speed made my undead army essentially worthless and the trees made it hard to snipe him so i ended chugging pots like an alcoholic.

>>168455309
But Dominions costs money and /rlg/ doesn't pay for games.

>>168458308
It's bad in the sense that it isn't suited to the class that gets it at all.

I suspect if you could take it on warrior-mage or priest or anything that could actually fight it would be pretty cool.

>>168459365
And thinking about it i'm actually not sure what to do/where to go next. I guess the forest since i remember it being pretty easy comparatively. but shelob will probably give no shits about all my nether magic. or an army. hmmmmm

>>168457617
>such is the goal of all life
get out of here ainz

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And look what azog was kind enough to give me. thats a hell of alot better than the rings of archery i had. Especially considering I haven't used archery haha.

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why is my walking garbage wearing armor now?

>>168459571
forest has a lot of nonevil monsters so that could be good but yeah I wouldn't try to kill Shelob yet. Often at this stage I go for Labyrinth and then Lonely Mountain (though avoiding Smaug's floor for a good while), but Lab is probably not ideal for your character since it's easy for enemies to get into melee range and most of them are evil. The minotaur's rod of recall would be useful though.

maybe icky caves, though Ubbo-Sathla isn't *that* easy for early casters without fire damage

>>168459691
skill: the goal of all life is death, ree of the chan-neet

>>168460119
Dunno. Try /lite/

>>168460312
Oops sorry, thought this was /lite/.

Turns out it's just dead.

Eh Zot is a pretty cool guy. Leaves his orb out open and not afraid of anything.

>>168463283
Out open deep underground with many monsters guarding it deliberately and unwittingly.