/twg/ - Total War General

What's the point of using missile troops that don't arc? Once the lines clash, won't they be useless?

>>167569425
You can move them around and make them shoot into the flanks. Units with big models can get hit either way.

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Today is the day!

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>422 AD
>55 region WRE
>strength rank 1
>Honorius is 43 years old somehow, on track to outlive his real life self

I'm scared

>>167569601
deus vult motherfucker

>>167569601
deus vult motherfucker

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>>167569601
The boys have done well.

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>>167569660

>jerusalem is no more
>alexandria is roman pagan
>jews control palestine

Deus Vult indeed.

fucking connection errors

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>tfw nobody up
australia sucks man

>>167570478

I'm up if you know what I mean

>>167570550
You're woke?

>>167569474
But then won't they be vulnerable to my enemies missile troops?

>>167570478
I'm up.

>tfw 2-3 hours ahead of you

>>167571046
nigga where the fuck you live?

>>167571125
New Zealand.

>>167571125
C'mon son, pretty clearly NZ.

I'm also up, and playing ETW for the first time in yonks. It's held up pretty well, but fuck damn I'd forgotten how bad line inf is in early game. They can't hit dick and my cav and pikemen are doing all the work.

>>167571350
Aren't there hundreds of islands in the Pacific that technically have that timezone?

>>167571325
>>167571350
lol i forget you guys exist

>>167571386
There are yeah. a few of them are like 2-3 hours ahead of us (NZ) even.

>>167571350
Oh god it's worse if you're in the Americas, you think you're safe but those melee infantry will fuck your lines up.

>>167571386
Yeah, but I don't imagine they'd have a very big 4chan browsing population.

>>167570927
That's why you have a diverse range of missile troops.

>>167570927
That's what your cavalry is for. If you're at the point where your ranged units are flanking, then it means their archers and cavalry are all that remain, allowing you to send your own cavalry and archers around.

>>167570927
Generally those kinds of units are either anti-armor or have high damage. So you want them to hit targets that will do damage to your line or just support your line.

If you having them engaging other missiles they'd naturally do worse due to the need for clear sight lines so it's best to engage enemy missile units with something else.

They're a bit gimmicky to use right so it's best to keep their numbers down to 1-2 units. (I'm assuming this is Warhammer you're talking about, if not then some of this does change.)

This is Warham btw

>>167571636
I'm asking these because I want to make a gunpowder based army and I'm having trouble using Riflemen because the moment lines clash they can't do anything. Can't even go for the enemy missile lines. Am I doomed to have to use xbowmen?

>>167571685
Fug. I don't want melee cavalry in this army. Whatever I'll just drop one in.

>>167571865
That's fair because the army I'm using them in is gimmicky in the first place.

>>167572082
Doesn't have to be melee cavalry. Sounds like it's a gunpowder army, so you can throw in an outrider or pistolier. They work well against enemy ranged units (that aren't elves/dwarfs, of course). You don't have to engage them in melee either, just moving in their general direction is enough to force them to run.

>Greenskins refuse to fire into their own ranks engaged with the enemy

wot da zog

>>167572587
>He doesn't know about the strict orcish code of honor
How's it feel being indoctrinated by stunty propaganda?

>>167572648
>orcish code of honor

bazinga?

>>167572674
Yeah, yeah, you just keep on drinking the Bugman kool-aid.

>>167569425

In Warhammer they will still be able to shoot at large units.

Also units with arcing shot rarely ever have armor piercing, so if you want AP skirmishers you're just gonna have to deal.

Also if you can get them on slightly raised ground they can fire down in front of the lines.

>>167572587

On the tabletop only the Skaven had a special rule that allowed the to shoot into active melee engagements

>>167569328
Ancient Empires fucking when?

>>167571507
Yeup, just helped my 13 Colonies after getting buttfucked by the Iroquois. I had considerable problems with fucking bowmen and standard melee inf, let alone medicine men.
Good fun though, getting into all sorts of shit. Mughals exterminated the Marathas and Mysore and kicked out France and Portugal, rebels took Ceylon and I'm waging a guerrilla war with one army running around the south of India gaining mad xp.
13 Colonies lost half their settlements to natives and now we're taking them back with France's help.

Sweden has gone full genocide mode and is conquering the fuck out of Europe while I sit off to one side and rake in mad trade node dosh.

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>>167573521
Never ever anon, we need to accept that.

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>no historic twg game for years
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

>>167573836
I wonder how they are gonna rape Medieval 3.

>win the badlands bowl as Bloody Handz by turn 90
>Ready to release the green tide on the empire
>Fucking welfs have wiped out the entire Empire and only Middenland are holding on to a single settlement in the Brass Keep surrounded by 3 Durthu doomstacks

Into the trash that campaign goes.

>>167573993

>bloody handz
>green tide
>not browny-white tide

>>167574024

What matters is the green in your heart.

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>>167573991
they said that they won't be making a third title any time soon, so no rome3/med3, they are especially unlikely to make med3 as all the nostalgia fags would wank over med2 too much

I want age of discovery or empire 2 above all else, though bronze age would be reasonably cool too

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So I want to protect Rome as WRE. Any tips/advice?

>>167574120

Total War: Attila 2: 1234 AD when?

>>167574231
play extremely aggressively, you should be wiping out a barbar faction every turn or two, recruit priests and burn down all the churches on turn 1, send priests to regions were defending from rebellions is a pain, like Magna Grecia and Insulare Orienblabla, at first focus all your building on the few provinces that have the greatest money making potential, so the two provinces mentioned above, also Ravena and Carthago Nova, they should all have governors as soon as possible, your eastern borders should get garrison buildings in them asap as that will enable them to easily beat back 1-2 early barbar stacks on their own

WRE has been made significantly easier with patches so you should manage just fine

>>167574231

fight every single early battle to cause as many casualties as possible vs barbars

learn to cut your losses

Don't fight too hard if the enemy has axe units since they will just delete you

every settlement battle is a great opportunity to cause massive damage - just block off passages with testudo formation to hold the enemy down while killing their ranged units with scout equites

research comitatensis spears and legios from the start

What does Charge Bonus do exactly? The tooltip is kinda vague.

>>167573630
Damn it anon you're making me want to reinstall Empire...

I really hope we do get a Empire 2, that game deserved better than what it got.

>>167574941

Adds that amount of damage to the weapon damage on a charge.

> Charge into unit -> Damage bonus gets applied for first attack -> Lose damage bonus until the unit charges again

Which is why shock cavalry gets huge charge bonus; they aren't designed for prolonged combat because they rely on the charge to deal damage.

>>167575051
Doesn't it also get added to the melee attack stat?

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>>167574941
afaik its added entirely to the attack and damage values of the unit and then linearly degrades over 30 seconds

>>167574984
empires sheer scale makes it fun and unpredictable, its a shame CA never bothered to fix it, because it has incredible potential, and some neat features. Like in one of my campaigns as the United Provinces I had just finished conquering India and Persia, when a massive war against the Polish-Swedish alliance broke out, since Russia was allied with them and was moving armies to my borders I pre-emptively declared a war on them and invaded Russia through Caucasus with an army of veterans from India, while using my massive navy to attack the French and Spanish who also declared a war on me

this kinda stuff just doesn't happen in any other tw title

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>Grimgor kills 400 dwarfs before he even reaches 3/4 HP

>>167575051

>Damage bonus gets applied for first attack

I thought it lingered for a short period of time after the charge and gradually disappeared after like, 10 seconds.

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>>167575920

>Grimgor has a Potion of Healing

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>>167575920
>Generic Dwarf Lord shatters 5 Orc units before he even reaches 3/4 HP

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>it will never be the day

Is there a way to stop Skaven abducting my cattle? bloody ratmen target the growing towns instead of full-fledged cities

>>167576278

What the fuck is a Skaven?

Have you been drinking again? Do you mean Beastmen?

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Can't decide wether to play Shogun 2 Rome 2 or Warhammer.

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>>167576278

>Skaven

>>167576364
Silly mortal, my creator, Nagash, fought blasted ratmen before your wretched Sigmar was even born.

Hey, guys you know those ungors with no horns who act as spies in human cities and the like? You would think some of them might get used to the luxuries of not being the whipping boy for the whole herd. He'll, some of them might even decide to NOT go and report back to the herd at all.

What I'm saying is free company ungor

>>167576453

>Nagash

W E A K
E
A
K

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>>167575176
>>167574984
Yeup, the scale is a big part of its charm. Crazy shit happening across three theatres is loadsa fun. I just wish it got as much attention as R2 or Warhams is getting from CA. There was so much wasted potential in the game.

But still a good game.

What DLC should I get, Grim and the Grave or King and the Warlord?

I prefer playing as the Empire or the VC, but it looks like the other DLC's brings ''more'' to the game.

Although even if it brings more, is unlikely I'll play as midgets or goblins in a long time.

>>167576494
Only a fool would call him that, it was his arrogance that was his undoing.

But I, Vlad von Carstein, will not fall in such a way. The Empire WILL be mine, and soon...

...unless I deal with bloody Skaven who keep abducting my mortals and slowing the growth of my cities. Seriously, is there a way to deal with them?

>>167576573

King&Warlord is the better DLC but if you're gonna play Empire/Vamps more you might get more out of Grim&Grave

>>167576573
King and the Warlord is the better of the two content wise. But if you're not going to play as either faction then you'd probably get more joy out of Grim and the Grave. The only thing it's really missing is adding in sub factions.

>>167576581

WE

HAVE

SURPASSED

Also, no, those events are entirely random and there's no way to influence them

>>167576753

King&Warlord also has much cooler Regiments of Renown.

Grim&Grave doesn't have anything on the level of the Gob Lobber or the Skalder Guard or the Spider Queen

>>167576487
Beastmen are kind of fucked in that they're beings of chaos with zero chance or desire for redemption, so I doubt any ungor that somehow evades detection would suddenly acquire a taste for civilisation.

>>167576735
>>167576753
>>167576951

Yeah, that's what I thought.
King&Warlord gives me more for my money... but I'm not interested at all in those factions.

On the other other hand Grim&Grave looks meh, but I enjoy playing Empire and Vampire counts in both, Campaign and quick battles.

>>167577182

You could perhaps wait until 28th when the Old World edition comes out, they might do a DLC sale then.

lol

>>167577182
The stuff for the vampires is actually really useful. Same with the RoR for both sides. The main issues are the Empire units. They're not bad just more niche.

Total war is a great series that will be forever doomed to be hated by the steam community because they give free content and paid dlc on a regular basis.

Poor fags will be the end of total war if the reviews scare of enough new buyers, this could ruin the next historical game because the practice has not changed since Shogun 2 only the community.

>>167577254
Yeah, I thought about that, but even in that case, what would the sale? -10%?

Meh.

>>167576573
Both are very good, the units that they bring really change the factions.

Morris engine is a key part in a VC army, and strigoi is fantastic.

Empire get a nice low tier unit in the free company, knight blazing Sun are very cool and great answer to wood elf tree units flaggelents are good against terror builds.

If you can get both at some point I recommend it, the gobbo units have absolutely changed GS for me.

Total Warhammer should give you access to DLC units if you can present pictures of yourself holding said units' miniature to prove you own it.

E.g. I got a corpse cart mini - I get access to corpse carts without G&G.
I got a Wood Elf army on my shelf - I can play Wood Elves.

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>today wasn't the day

>>167577423
At best -25%

Another thing too is, (and we don't know for sure but) there could be two more packs like GatG/KatW covering the still missing units. for the core factions.

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Threadly reminder:

Faction rosters ranked by completeness:

1) Vampires @ 96%
2) Dwarfs @ 92%
3) Wood Elves @ 84%
4) Empire @ 77%
5) Beastmen @ 76%
6) Greenskins @ 71%
7) Warriors of Chaos @ 66%

>$120 for incomplete factions

Having played r1, m2 and R2, I'm kind of not getting how charging works. On the first charge of a cavalry unit, it's powerful enough to send infantry flying and shatter formation but when I move them alway and charge the 2nd time they hit like wet noodles. Sometime when I let them out of a battle for a bit, they can actually charge again. Is there some sort of hidden cool down or mechanics I'm not aware of?

Is there Isabella in the game? Or I can just hire a random vampire and call her Isabella to accompany my Vlad?

>>167577694
so what's missing? a comprehensive list?

>>167577835

>Is there Isabella in the game?

No.

Ironically there are unused voice files.

>Or I can just hire a random vampire and call her Isabella to accompany my Vlad?

That you can do.

>>167577964
probably for future DLC.

okay, one shadow hotness, coming up

Is there some sort of gallery with all models from TW:WH? Some of them are original creations, rather than WHFB mini copies, so I want to harvest them for conversion ideas? renders or concepts, I don't care.

>>167577936

Vampires - Spirit Hosts
Dwarfs - Dragon Slayer Hero, Daemon Slayer Lord
Wood Elves - Spellweaver Lord, Glade Captain, Shadow Dancer
Empire - Wizard Lord, Grandmaster Lords, Master Engineer Hero, Archers, Huntsmen, Hurricanum
Beastmen - Doombull Lord, Wargor Hero, Jabberslythe, Ghorgon
Greenskins - Savage Orc Warboss Lord, Orc Big Boss Hero, Spearkchukka, Snotlings, Pump Wagon, Mangler Squigs, Stone Trolls, River Trolls
Chaos - Daemon Prince Lord, Hellstriders, Ogres, Chimeras, Warshrines, Skullcrushers, Slaughterbrutes, Vortex Beasts

+a whole lot of named lords and named heroes.

>>167577830
A full charge happens when they're far enough away to reach 100% speed, with a little bit of distance extra left so the cavalry can transition into the charge animation from the full-sprint one.

tl;dr give your cav enough ground to speed up first, then the charge will trigger

>>167577591
This week is the week though, wed or thur for stream and bretonnia stuff.

>>167577694

Pretty much all the roles are met in one way or another, and half the units are pointless/replicated by another unit.

>>167577624
If both DLC were at -25%, what should I get, Beastmen or Wood elves?

> there could be two more packs like GatG/KatW
Really?
I'm enjoying the game, but it feels like the DCL's in Warhammer are the ones that are bleeding me the most.
7€ for a bunch of units and lords for only 2 factions...

>>167578386

B-BUT I WANT A CROSSBOW UNIT THAT HAS A SWORD INSTEAD OF A DAGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!! $120!!!!!!!! INCOMPLETE!!!!!

hu1d_elf_2handed_axe
hu1d_elf_2handed_glaive
hu1d_elf_2handed_sword
hu1d_elf_2handed_sword_crossbow
hu1d_elf_bi1_eagle_wb_spear_sword_shield
hu1d_elf_dr1_dragon_spear_wb_sword_shield
hu1d_elf_dr1_dragon_wb_sword_and_shield
hu1d_elf_dual_sword - corsairs
hu1d_elf_dual_sword_bow
hu1d_elf_dual_sword_crossbow
hu1d_elf_halberd
hu1d_elf_hr1_warhorse_lance_sword
hu1d_elf_hr1_warhorse_lance_sword_shield
hu1d_elf_hr1_warhorse_spear
hu1d_elf_hr1_warhorse_spear_shield
hu1d_elf_hr1_warhorse_spear_sword_shield
hu1d_elf_hr1_warhorse_sword_crossbow
hu1d_elf_spear
hu1d_elf_spear_and_bow
hu1d_elf_spear_and_shield_bow
hu1d_elf_sword - arty crew
hu1d_elf_sword_and_handbow
hu1d_elf_sword_crossbow
hu1d_elf_sword_crossbow_shield

New World coming soon.

>>167578567
If it's more like the king and the warlord it's arguably worth it since it changes up the way you play quite a lot

>>167577694
Im waiting for pirated one.
How come one aint out yet?

>>167578605
I dont even think people want these units they just want to complain at CA for making DLC.

>>167574458
>first time with Attila: Total War
>spend 30min looking over stuff and pondering my first moves
>finally click end turn
>'you can set guvns, guv'
>alight, I guess I'll guv my core up
>a few turns later
>loyalty in questionx7
>income plummets to red as well
Well fuck.

Also whats the dealio with Attila C-map performance? Does it have magical settings whick make everything work smooth as in R2?

>>167577694
Has there every been a Warhammer game with complete rosters? Even the well regarded Dawn of War games have gutted rosters after some very costly dlc.

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>>167578982
>meanwhile in 2006
Hard to say, did anyone try it again?

>>167578317
Ah, that should explain it. When I move my cav out of an engagement I put them not too far away from the target.

>>167578662

Where's this from?

>>167579261
>Flagellants
>Greatswords
>Halberdiers
>Handgunners
>Huntsmen
>Knights of the Blazing Sun
>Knights Panther
>Pistoliers
>Reiksguard
>Swordsmen

Wow, what a complete empire roster.

>>167579447
Animation tables.

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stuff

>>167578982

No but to be fair the TT game is fucking poorly designed trash and most of those units do samey shit and exist just to sell ~~COOL~~ models.

>>167579471
Hippogyrph knights

>>167579471

Neat. Hippogryph cav, and questing knights

>>167579471
Hippogryph cavalry?

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>>167579471
SHE
LOOKS
LIKE
ARSE

>>167579471
how do those tiny-ass wings hold them in the air? this ain't Warcraft. have they heard of square-cube law?

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>>167579471

>Bretonnian """""damsel"""""

>>167579661
Say that to giants and walking trees.

>>167579471

Why doesn't she have shoes on? I fucking can't stand side saddle. Put on some proper pants woman.

Also cool looks like some new units, Hippogryph riding knights and I guess maybe Knights Errant in the background.

>>167579471
What unit are the knights without helmets and the two-handed sword?

28th of february

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>>167579471

>Flying Monstrous (Heavy Cavalry + Lance/Barding)

Ay carumba

Bretonnia will be free and available for everyone on 28th February 2017 - which is also the release date for the Old World Edition.

>>167579538
Massilia?
How you get those?

>>167579754
Questing knights

>>167579471
Fay enchantress looking cute

>>167579471
Why is her right foot a left foot what the fuck?

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>>167579754

Questing Knights

>>167579832
It's not. Sidesaddle.

>>167579832

Look harder.

>>167579736
super-tall trees are a thing, the fibrous structure can carry a lot of weight

giants are a violation too, yeah, but they are at least a classic

>>167579750
and they complained about some Empire State Troops going barefoot in WHFB, when Bretonnia's head bitch ain't can't buy herself some boots

>>167579471
I guess they're going to solidify air superiority as Bretonnia's niche on top of the cav.

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>>167579471

As someone who likes to cheese with slayers, this image is getting me rock hard.

gg horse fuckers

>>167579471
What kind of special abilities will she have?

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THEY HAVE WRONGED US

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What kind of army composition do you want, general?

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>>167579832
>skirt
>spreading legs
>ventilating pussy 24/7
You dense or something?

>>167579471
>hippogryph knights

what will set them apart from pegasus knights

I assume questing knights will get bonus vs infantry

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>>167580114

>>167579471
Flying Demis wooo lad

>>167580189
>8 lores of magic

>>167580180

>what will set them apart from pegasus knights

The same thing that sets Demigryph Knights apart from Empire Knights?

>>167580146
I'll tell you once my eyes stop bleeding.

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>>167580146

>>167580257
That could kinda work if she only had to spend one skill point to learn the first 3 spells in a lore, and an additional point to learn the last 3 spells.

Of course, she would need a lot of passives to increase the winds to actually take advantage of all those spells.

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>>167580270
>>167580292
Let me just...ahhhh fix that

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>>167580146

>>167580263
but pegasi already have low unit models, which is the one drawback they have when compared to empire knights - if the hippogryphs are better in every way than the pegasus knights what is the point of pegasus knights?

>>167580189

>Global Ward save

W E W

>>167580429
Cheaper and easier to get?

>>167579796
>not playing Massalia with DeI 1.2
It's like you dont even want to fight Rome, Carthagenian Hispania, the Celtic Confederation in Gaul and Helvetii spanning from Medhlan to Frisia all at the same time.

>>167580180
>>167580429
ones are for MLP fans, others for Harry Potter fans

>>167580429

Just take the unit size down to 12, same as trolls and other monsters like that.

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>>167580373
Fixed it for ya

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>>167579471

>She isn't holding a big silly cup

I can forgive the lack of the big silly hair-dress, but this is just too far.

>>167580689

I thought Chosokabe were black, not blue

>>167580717
It was in development at some point. They must have scrapped it.

hu1b_brettonian_hr1_warhorse_sword_and_chalice
hu1b_brettonian_sword_and_chalice humanoid01b

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>>167580717
>Creative Assembly didnt use Harold Foster artwork to design Bretonnia
What a shame

>>167580373

wow looks beutiful, keep up good work mdoders

Sad bump.

Someone tell me my Skarsnik campaign isn't going to end with Archaon spearing my angus beef

>>167578870
Roll for first AoC campaign.

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Rejoice! For a Knight of Bretonnia provides your shield.

>>167582348
>shields
>not 2handers
Lmao

>>167582348

will you stop posting this when after the 28th

So.

Who THE FUCK is The Lady?

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>>167582431
My intention is to stop posting the day after Bretonnia is released. Sorry.

>>167582527
A pure, human goddess.

>you are now imagining brettonian sieges in a game without a dismount function

>>167582527
some elven whore who enjoys getting trains run on her by the brettonian nobility

>>167582564
>same guy who did that art probably did the wood elf spellsinger tit art as well

based

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>>167582667
Man loves his fat titties.

>>167582564
>see the way they hold sword
>set up paid first aid spot near the statue, bandaging their badly cut-up hands
>get stupid rich

okay, now I know I'd survive and prosper if I suddenly get to Old World

>>167582752

Greatswords are not that sharp, anon.

>>167582863
hm... should I open "Swords and greatswords sharpened" booth a mile before?

So I heard you guys hate Arch warhammer, any reasons for this?

>>167582527
Who cares? Sigmar and Franz, not Whorebitch and Leoncoeur, ok.

>>167583034
Karl Franz, aka KFC is not my Emperor. praise ultic ok

>>167583016
He doesn't make good videos. He uses Radious.

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>>167583016
Because he is a whiny cunt and didn't really add to the conversation.

MilkandCookiesTW, THFE Oakley, HeirofBeingShit and others acknowledge what is right, offers constructive criticism on real problems of the game coupled with what CA could do to make it better and CA has listened to these types during the pre-release and that's why we have mods.

Also his smug is palpable

>>167583216
What's wrong with videos specifically? What's wrong with Radious?

>taking European history class
>finally learn about the blunder that was the undoing of the Seleucid Empire
>I finally get the Antiochus jokes
It's like having a veil lifted from my eyes

How do I test two units in a custom battle without lords?

>>167573521
Fucking spring

>>167583367
What was the joke?

>>167583016

Uses Radious

Spouts inane, pleb-tier, faux-rationalist bullshit cribbed from Sargon of Mossad

Idiotic conspiracy monger, maintained for more than a month around February last year, that Vampire Counts had secretly been cut from the game by CA because they hadn't been showed off.

His lore videos are shit, it's just him reading directly off of wiki pages and occasionally making shit up

His attitude is also fucking insufferable

>>167583367

>seleucid
>european history

>>167580146
That disgusting filter is a separate mod, not AE

>>167583610
>>167583295
Thanks guys.

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I mean, what kind of marijuana does one have to inject to come up with this kind of garbage?

>>167583775
Not a prob Arch

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>>167583661
Do you have any proof?

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>Bretonnia will be free and available for everyone on 28th February 2017

>>167584054

>Say Old World Edition will arrive "In February"
>They meant literally the last day

I'm angery

>>167584036
Please let the fire truck in

What new units do you think Bretonnia will have?

I know CA said they're inventing some new ones because the tabletop roster wasn't very big.

>>167584267
We already know Questing Knights, Hippogyrth Knights and Grail Pilgrims.

>>167583957
That's a hot load of garbage. Though the diplomacy bonus is nice, it is completely impossible to finance early on when it is needed the most.

>>167584267

In terms of stuff not from the tabletop only Hippogryph Knights have been shown.

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>>167584352
>hippogriff knights

>>167584267

would be cool to see a new peasant melee unit, maybe rapscallions or villains for a nice shout out to early bretonnian editions.

>>167584352
Those were in the tabletop game, though.

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>>167579471

>>167584352
Hippo Girth Knights

Total Warhammer is pretty cool
i've heard they made a tabletop game based on it, is it any good?

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>>167584483
I want a lot of peasant units. Freakishly misshapen peasants like in this pic.

>>167584647
Heard wrong.

>>167584647
There used to be one back in the 80s and 90s but they discontinued it after the 6th edition. Sad.

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>>167579750


>getting triggered by the way tiny polygon characters ride horses

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>>167584647
Aha

>>167584495
Not the hippo's.

>>167584684
but I googled and saw pictures of toys that look very much like those from the game

>>167584736
haha, very funny. the game was made in 2016

>>167584803
Those are from Age of Skubmar.

>>167579471
Questing Knights and the new Hippogryph Knights.

Great to see Bretonnia getting an update that they never got during the tabletop. This game really Warhammer Fantasy 9th edition.

I'm hoping for a Dishonored or Banished Knights who fight on foot (on the ground with peasants) and are mainly used for sieges. To make sure Bretonnia does not lose the cavalierly focus, these Banished Knights are limited to three units per army as no Bretonnia Lord or Paladin would tarnish his reputation with such Knights.

>>167580114


A million unit buff spells that you'll forget to ever use.

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>>167584802

>>167580137


[BOOK FETCHING INTENSIFIES]

>>167584860
I hope 9th Age devs update their not-Bretonnia army to include these units.

>>167584860
Ya come to think about it Bretonnia is going to have basically 2 types of armies, field and siege. Otherwise you start running into the R2 Nomad and Khergit Khanate problem. Like how as VC I like to siege with a trash stack at the helm.

>>167584878

As mounts for lords you fucking dip

Not as a unit

>Louen.jpg

Way to make my point

>>167584878
Lord idiot. Not a unit.

>>167584860
Empathy of virtue knights on foot that function like aspiring champions would be my guess

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I forgot to post a link to this madmeme
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=851745749&searchtext=

>>167585239
What the fuck is this

>>167585304
You tell me. What is this with the crack smoking modders these days?

>>167585304
>>167585402
>BEWARE:This mod is just for fun,do not take too much care on history,just enjoy the gameplay.
come on lads

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>>167585402
W8, I found the answer myself...

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I just love it how different factions react when the undead try to approach them diplomatically

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>>167582564
>>167582723

>all concept and ingame art have busty spellsinger
>some sjw in the unit modeling department put a stop to all of that

>>167585304
>>167585402
It appears to be a fantasy-styled mod. It's not the weirdest mod I've seen. That goes to Hyrule Total War. The weirdest mod I've seen for Attila is "Bactria's Retributiobn."

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=654614856

>>167582425

>giving a peasant a two-handed sword

They wouldn't even be able to lift it

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>>167585563
THE COLORS

>>167585510
...legit don't see a probem with this

>>167585510
REMOVE WEEBS

>>167584657

Peasant Mob. Infantry, light. [Causes fear] (special ability: deploy gimps)

>>167584954
Would be great to see that. I would go further and try to make a tabletop mod where units are 10-20 men instead of 100 or more. Warriors of Chaos could get Aspiring Champions in their units, etc.

>>167585058
Same thinking, I would like foot knights as peasants are likely to be nerfed and having some better foot units would be useful. Just as long as these foot knights are limited in armies.

>>167585224
That is also a great idea. Hope Virtues make it in as upgrades. Prayers as well would be good.

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>>167585563
>he calls that the weirdest mod
LET ME JUST FILL YOU IN, FAMILY

>>167585060
>>167585157
>Bretonnian lords use sword&shield
>Hyppo rider is holding a lance

>Mentions of never-seen-before units
>Putting a knight in a hyppo is the laziest way to make a "new" unit

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>>167585693
YOU SHOULD

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>>167585563
>these colors
G A U D Y

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>>167585532


left one looks best tbH, the lucky troll haired version they went with I like the least

>>167585761
I just thought the Tanukhids being turned into a "WE WUZ GREEKS IN SHIET" faction was pretty weird. But goddamn, that's way too much deus for my vult. Also, >>167585929

>goblins come to raid my Sylvania
>sic Mannfred on them
>start by casting Soulblight and Doom and Darkness
>then charge with black knights and vargheists, so technically i also outnumber them
man, doesn't it feel good to not just kill the enemy, but completely and utterly crush his spirit into dust beforehand?

I also shot their retreating general in the back with Spirit Leech and killed him so.

>>167585563

that looks so terrible I almost have to try it

>>167585929
>lunaris
>that icon
Why do they have to shove their fandom into everything?

>>167586089
>Crooked Moon has no way to reliably kill Archaon after he shatters
Is there no break from this suffering?

>>167586125
The modder literally took the Tanukhids and made them into "WE WUZ GREEKZ IN SHIET!"

If you do, please post screenshots.

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>>167585510
>>167585878
>>167585929

>>167586089
>Killing routed units and generals
Enjoy full HP Grimgor + 9 RoRs taking his place

>>167586315
Let them come. Frostm.... ahem, Blooddrinker hungers!.. erm, thirsts!

The more I play it, the more it seems like SEGA cut the funding to Warhammer before it was done.

>Empire has branching quest battles, but none of the other factions do
>Canned animations for Hellstorm Rocket Battery in the game files
>Dwarfs and Greenskins have some unique settlements on the campaign map, while everyone else just uses the same generic city model

>>167586467
yeah, Middenheim being a generic town really jarred me.

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So how exactly are you supposed to use the black coach? I understand it's pretty shit but i still want to give it a try in singleplayer. Is it supposed to be used like a one man chariot or am i supposed to just stick it in melee and keep it there?

>>167585512
Thats a nice touch actually

>>167586674
One man chariot, for what's worth

So I'm playing wood elves' campaign right now and everytime I captura a place (even if it's fucking empty) my troops' healt gets halved. Is that a bug or there is something I'm not understanding?

>>167586970
wood elves don't live in towns so when you capture stuff, you automatically set up a hippie fest in the local forest, as per Colonize action

>>167583610
>faux-rationalist
what does he mean by this?

>>167579471
>Flying Demigryph Knights

[cries in reikspiel]

>>167586970
Colonizing ruined settlements has both a monetary cost and a manpower cost, an abstraction designed to represent half of your army settling down to create the new city. It's a holdover mechanic from the last Total War game, where barbarian hordes could stop migrating and settle down in looted and burned cities. From a gameplay perspective it's designed to stop the player from endlessly capturing settlements turn after turn with no penalty; you're forced to slow down and replenish to give the AI a chance to catch you unprepared.

>>167585532
kill yourself my man

>>167579471
>hippogryph knights
>officially the first new unit for bretonnia in thirteen years
>literally had to throw the gang-raped and cum-filled dregs of the WHFB IP to an entirely different company to get a single new unit for bretonnia

This really activates my almonds.

>>167587636
>gang-raped and cum-filled dregs of the WHFB
I'm not a big fan of them myself, but doesn't it seem a bit harsh to call Bretonnia that?

>>167586674
One man chariot that causes terror.
It isn't a bad unit. Like it's better than a unit of skeleton warriors.
But it in no way approaches justifying its price or position in the tech tree.

>>167587723
It refers to WHFB IP in general, with the constant shift to capeshit lore, bretonnia was ignored since 2004 IIRC

Fucking chaos dwarfs got more attention thanks to ForgeWorld

>>167586674
It's just a Terror bubble that's kind of durable. But the Terrorgheist does exactly the same thing, is easier to reach in the tech tree, and can fucking fly. There's no contest.

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>>167587636

>>167579471
>"Why would anyone one want to play Bretonnia? Their cavalry isn't even that great compared to The Empire and Vampire Counts."
>Cue Hippogryph Knights

Based CA.

>HippoKnights a new unit

Not really, as soon as demis came out people just took a Knight of the Realm and put him on a Hippo made cost a little more than a demi and boom, popular crutch for still using a 6th ed book. While its cool CA made them if Brets had an 8th ed book they would have totally been in there.

Makes sense to show it off first however since its safe and utterly expected to match the demis on the otherside of the Grey Mountains

>>167587979

Grail Knights still need a little buff.

Just a tiny itty bitty one.

Like, at least give them some Ward Save to represent the Blessing of the Lady

>>167588076
Grail Knights are supposed to be literal superhumans. With the glut of new cavalry they're getting i'm fairly certain they'll be buffed up to the top of the pile so everything else can fit in underneath them.

>>167584036
Well im an AE dev

>>167587931
Fucking pete evans.
His meme show just started up again here a week or two ago.

He got a ton of drama for advocating his paleo diet.
Said diet didn't really include much for feeding infants, so rather than assume they were either an oversight, or to be excluded until they reach an age where they can properly eat all the whole foods, everyone yelled at him for advocating the starvation of infants.

>>167587979
>>167588076
They will be re balancing the units they currently have in game. Particularly the peasants which are too strong, but tolerated while the faction is practically a placeholder.

I dislike the hippogriff knights as a concept.
They'll either be arbitrarily one eighth as strong as Louen's mount: which doesn't make sense. Or otherwise just be demihippogriffs, which is pretty fucking lazy.
Hippogriffs are cool but maybe they should've just been added to the hero mount pool or something.

>>167586467
Not too surprising given the lukewarm (at best) reception to Atilla

>>167588076
>>167588268
Agreed

>But the VC rulebook said that Blood Knights are canonically stronger than Grail Knights!

Every faction rulebook is a novel length commercial for the faction.

>>167580165
it's a blue board, goddammit!

>>167588507
Who are you quoting?

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>>167588268
Ah yes this post again, not really. The good ol' Chaos Knights/Blood Knights/Grail Knights Debate is as old as dirt. And no Grail Knights are no better than either in crunch or fluff since they are all superhumans.

Granted the Grails probably would have gotten a +1T in this list but no Grails aren't the best never were, never will.

However of the triumvirate, Bloods clearly got the best deal (not even close) with Grail Knights seeing some use and Chaos Knights completely not performing to cost (depressing). This isn't surprising since CA has a fucking Vampire boner and fucked up WoC so hard they buff them every patch and still can't be a T1 faction.

>>167588623
It's an argument I've seen a couple of times around the web. I figured I might as well counter the argument before it was ever made.

>>167588724
To be fair, Grail Knights haven't been updated to account for power creep. I don't even think Blood Knights were a thing back in 6th ed.

>>167588754
Anyone who makes the argument usually acknowledges the sentiment of the post above yours. They understand the triumvirate of heavy cav was always in flux and each book obviously advocates their own brand over the competition.

>>167588507
what about this post >>167588724 ?

>>167588861
>Granted the Grails probably would have gotten a +1T in this list but no Grails aren't the best never were, never will.

Accounted for that M8, and you are correct on BK being a recent addition. However VC in TT wasn't the powerhouse they are in TWW.

Are the wood elves supposed to be super strong? I'm playing whtw as the empire doing decently when I noticed the wood elves got crazy strong and they declared war on me. Then you got the chaos in the north razing and killing everyone but they haven't reached my lands yet. I might have to start over and take them out

>>167588268

The lore reasons aren't even particularly pertinent to me.

What matters is that, thematically, Bretonnia is quite literally "The Cavalry Faction"

If The Cavalry Faction doesn't do Cavalry better than factions that can also do the best magic and strong monsters then why does it even exist?

>>167587372


after you, friend

>>167589283
It isn't supposed to be the best, though it can be.
It's supposed to be the tons of decent cav faction.

>>167589165
No, not at all. They kinda fucked them up for right now and turned a hilariously underpowered TT faction that was isolationist and relied on their woods to keep them alive into a bigger threat than Chaos who usually attains one of the greatest territorial empires in the game.

TL;DR CA fucked them up YUGE

I seriously have no idea how and when to build up my provinces in Warhammer. When should I stop expanding and build up? What should I build, should I rush economy buildings or get the buildings that give me new units? This applies to pretty much every faction, I have no clue how to do it with any of them.

>>167589381

>the tons of decent cav faction.

A concept that makes sense in a game with a point based system restricting unit choices but which would consign any Total War faction to the bottom of the garbage can.

>>167589531
I don't think he is asking in the context of the TT.
Simply if his campaign is regular or not.
And yes, it is normal.

>>167589531
I wouldn't be so harsh on CA.

Everyone predicted them to either be a horde or a bog standard "conquer empire/vc land" faction. CA actually did something pretty unique with them. It still needs some fixing to prevent them from blobbing but they did alright, all things considered.

>>167589610
Multiplayer is still a points game, and you can make anything work in SP anyway.

I just finished a TW campaign for the first time. Dwarves. Took ~200 turns and it would've only take 150 max if all the dwarf clans weren't being petty little bitches. I never want to see another fucking dwarf again. And yet I have a desire to start yet another dwarf campaign and see how fast I can finish it.

>>167589604
Growth first, then get walls asap, then put economy buildings in. Capture what you can defend without walls (until they're built up of course). Get the walls up, and capture some more. If you're attacking in the middle of a war in enemy territory, just loot unwalled towns and then raze them next turn. If it's walled just raze it. Makes it so that the enemy can't use the settlement without great cost. You can just go and rebuild it once the fighting stops in that area.

>>167589814
>I never want to see another fucking dwarf again
The satisfaction of seeing their failed bodies face down in a pool of blood balances out the suffering of acknowledging the existence of ones so pathetic.

>>167586674

You don't

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>>167589610
I have an idea pham, implement this and boom.

>Dorfs chaos become the armor factions
>GS can use savage orcs since armor wont be everywhere
>You don't need to have the best unit to compete at something
>No more 7 mino beastmen spawns and Chaos armies consisting of nothing but knights and hellcanons

>>167589959
t. Ravandil

>>167589983
That is not an option.

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How come the auto resolve is this much in my favour but I would have so suffer 35% army loses, that seems quite off.

Also, what is that civil war crap; is it really just another petty realm divide mechanic where I get a bunch of stacks spawned 15 turns behind me?

Why would this even be a thing, my faction owns half of Europe, I'm rich, every province is happy, we drown in food but lol guess what, it's Civil War now!

>>167590207
>my faction dominates half of the planet
>wh-why is it fracturing, guys? why is it so hard to manage? help!

>>167590009
Solid army definitions to the extent of heavily armored or not are silly. Shit like that is what enables banner of the world dragon and other garbage.

The question of what somebody is going to bring can be thrown out of the window and you just expect the same thing every time.

>>167590207
You're autoresolving and have fewer men than the opposing force
Yours are better quality of course, but if you want to lose fewer men, that is what real time battles are for.
35% losses is fairly insignificant as well

>>167590207
>Also, what is that civil war crap; is it really just another petty realm divide mechanic where I get a bunch of stacks spawned 15 turns behind me?
It's much worse than that, half of your provinces will randomly turn against you. Truth be told, civil wars aren't that hard to deal with, they're just annoying and will set you back a couple dozen turns depending on where your armies are.

>>167590207
Yeah, hated that about Rome 2.
Are civil wars a 1 time thing or do they occur many times?

>>167590746
They used to be an event that was as arbitrary as realm divide. Now multiple can happen and they are more measurable.

>>167590392
I'm not sure what you are saying, but I will kind of guess.

Empire is not a heavy armored infantry faction, it became one with unlimited greatswords which in early patches were broken. When Empire can out infantry slough chaos you fucked up royally.

When you bring less orcs than dwarfs because of unlimited black orcs, kinda against the theme

When 75% of the beastmen army cost is Morghur and 3 gorebulls, kind of anti-thematic for a horde swarm faction akin to greenskins

Vampire counts, same story with GG which also needed nerfed.

Without limits every faction is a down the pipe chaos warriors knock off, hence battles are so one dimensional and boring. Even Wood Elves play the deathstar, down the pipe strategy.

What are the benefits of special/rare shit everwhere? Make an army of minos/tanks/whatever to auto-win?

>Getting blood knights from a battle marker on turn 20.
gg ez

>>167590361
That would be reasonable if your realm is about to crack from civil unrest, food shortages, war efforts going bad and religous differences.

This does not happen if everybody has money, is well fed, believes in the same thing and every single war your realm declares is a smashing success.

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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>>167593005
> everybody has money, is well fed, believes in the same thing
We're talking about people here.

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G O B L I N S

>>167593005
There's always religious unrest. There are always power struggles. There are always political machinations. Civil war is much more prominent n giant, easily fractured nations.

They announce new Bretonnia stuff today?

>>167593654
Kinda.

Tomorrow is the day!

Arrer Boyz or Goblins?

>>167593654

see

>>167579471

questing knights confirmed, along with brand new hippogryph knights

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>>167585761
>weirdest mod
>not glazic renewal

Any good mods for Attila?

>>167579471
Is that the Lady? I want to drown in her pool desu.

>>167594943
Are you stupid?

>>167595065
Yes, that is why I'm asking.

>>167594943
Fey Enchantress.

>>167594943

The Lady is a god you dingus

That's Morgana le Fay, the Fay Enchantress, chief authority of the Lady's cult

>>167595152
Is Mannfred Nagash?

Is Archaon Khorne?

>>167595361
Idk, you tell me.

Is it wise when starting a campaign to abandon every settlement you can't hold with your inital stack?

So i fucked up on my first two campaigns as vampires, but im enjoying them quite a bit.
Is there anything important in the grimdark dlc that i might want to get before starting again?

>>167595489
Even in the most dire of circumstances you should be able to hold everything.
But yeah you can do that if you want.

>>167595558
corpse cart and mortis engine are both good units, but their effect is a passive buff so you won't really get anything noticeable, no.

>>167595558

The Mortis Engine is one of the best units the Vampires have.

Getting Corpse Cart mounts for your Necromancers is very good too.

Ghorst is fun but less fun than Vlad, so eh.

>>167595671
Nothing about Ghorst is fun.

>>167595794

Army wide poison is fun

>>167595656
>>167595671
What about the sugoi king? Or should i just spam necromancers as lords?

>>167594751
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