/domg/ Dominions General

We had a good run. I didn't think we'd survive as long as we did.

>>167217138
Previous thread:
>>167118971

Is everybody busy with their research these days?

>>167217138
Is it possible to remove a special tag without clearing them all?
I'm trying to get rid of #undisciplined.

Is there a lore or balance explanation for the extremely high MR of Empoisoners (17)? They're the highest MR assassin in the game that are recruitable. I understand they are cap only, but the next highest assassins 2 steps down at 15 MR, are Demonbred (cap-only, flying, cheaper), Star Children (S1 coastal recruits, generally superior assassins) and the Baobhan Sidhe (almost twice as expensive, and generally superior assassins/mages).

>>167223592
Lizards have very high magic resistance in general. Their regular troops are 12 MR. And it's not uncommon for mages to have +5 MR more than non-mages of the same race.

>>167217138
i wrote some code for a tiny balance mod for Yomi. What do you think?

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3227&st=0#entry40005824

>>167225469
ah, crap, i forgot to add the thing that makes it cap only

>>167225609
okay fixed.

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>>167225469
For anyone who can't be bothered going to dom3mods and deciphering the mod, it gives them a cap-only unit version of the oni general. Not sure on the price, I believe it uses autocalc.

As for my opinions on the change, I dislike it. Yomi is quite unique in being one of the few nations without recruitable sacreds. I'd prefer a buff which preserves that variety, rather than giving every nation powerful cap-only sacreds.

Also, if I haven't missed something, I think you'll find that your oni ghosts will have 7 natural protection. Oni spirits typically have zero.

>>167188409
I don't want a larger hosting interval, just a single 24h extension to write some PMs.

Ys is the most moe faction

I hate it when I think I'm doing well then realize I'm the only one still playing.

>>167231157
It's pretty annoying when you realize your neighbours have been chain staling for a dozen turns or more

>last thread died after 251 replies
It's one of those periods again, isn't it?

Only a month left now, /domg/. How are you going to celebrate the first anniversary of DomgNationsGen?

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>>167232496
>>167232938
Games that last over three months were a mistake.

>>167232496
This is because the last thread forgot to use an anime pic

>>167232938
dying

>>167232496
literally never go without growth scales

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Yo guys. So I'm around 90 hours in and still as newb as ever.
Am I doing it wrong? I mean, am I supposed to be studying the manual and shit or is it ok if I just keep playing and see first hand what works and what doesn't?
I am lazy as fuck, usually the best I can do is look an item/spell/unit on the interwebz to see if they're worth anything.

>>167237108
What's your steam ID?

>>167237130
http://steamcommunity.com/id/consulofrome/

>>167237108
Join a MP game.

>>167237336
I'm playing in like 5 games, I stop knowing what to do as soon as I hit mid-game (I still manage to survive usually)

>>167237395

Ask for advice then, as you can see the thread is dead so we could use some discussion about your nations and what you should do.

>>167237460
I of usings EA Ermor, I chose it because of its theme and even if it was the worst nation on earth I'd still pick it any day of the week.
I have to uh, research evocation and conj a lot?
For summer lions and big fireballs?

>>167237665
Don't forget to go into thaumaturgy and enchantment. Thaum for communions and prison of fire, enchantment for skelespam. Your foreignrec mage priests are also quite nice.

>>167237665

Some basic evocations fit your mage corps, not only fireballs but also falling fires. Do note that you have D mages and can use D evocations, mainly the excellent shadow blast. There is also bane fire a DF evocation that does serious damage if you need it to kill a big target.

You also want some conjuration research done for phoenix power (+1F in combat, always start with that to improve your mages) and fire elementals (conj5). Those are useful combat spells in conj.

As EA Ermor you also want thaum1 for the communions. A big communion can move your D2 mage to D5-6 and then he can shadow blast with huge range and aoe.

Also worth noting is ench5 for skeleton hordes - again either D2 mages or D mage communions. Also obviously construction 4 for some magic boosting items - skull staff comes to mind.

Once you have those we can discuss mid-late game.

>>167232938
Maybe I'll take my turn, but I'm not sure if I will be able or will need 3 more days.

How do you wish for an Arena Battle? I'm trying it out in a test game and I've tried "Arena" "Deathmatch" "Arena Battle" "Deathmatch Arena" and many other similar variations. "Fame" gives you 5. Is it even possible?

>>167237665
>Italian
>EA Ermor

Cute!

Stellar cascades is a incredible spell that can decimate armies. It might sound not so impressive for a newbie, since it makes no damage, though.

You will need Evocation 5 for it, and a S2 mage to cast it. The steps then would be:

>bring 10 S2 mages and one medium sized army (a stack of 30 principes will do)
>fight literally anything
>win
That's it.

Of course it's not unbeatable, but putting enemy's elite units to sleep works great really often if you can tank them for a while (it's not worth against either really big armies or flying units, for example).

If you want to get into communions, you can tell 4 of your mages to cast Communion slave and the remaining 6 to cast communion master. They will be able to cast stellar cascades for a lot more of turns than your 10 mages directly casting it.

Also try this "advanced" strategy:
>bring 10 mages
>7 of them cast master, 3 slaves
>One of the masters casts Power of the spheres
>then that one casts communion slave
With this setup now your 4 slaves are getting 20/2-> 10 -> 10/4-> 3 fatigue per turn per mage casting Stellar cascades. With 6 masters casting it, each slave will get 18 fatigue per turn.
This means they after 11 turns they will be at 198 fatigue, then on turn 12 of casting stellar cascades they will go up to 200 and start getting 1 damage per cast and die after some casts.
I didn't take into account the encumbrance of the mage or the cast of Power of the spheres because I'm lazy, but you get the idea of how communions can make your mages cast a lot more spells than they otherwise could (a S2 mage could only cast 5 stellar cascades before reaching 100 fatigue).

>>167238580
I'm already spamming Stellar Cascades like there's no tomorrow, although I didn't know that using communions would better the process.
30 principes is a medium army? Huh.
I use 30 principes just to guard the mages from man-birds and whatever devilry comes up against me. Thank you very much!

>>167238982
30 principes is enough to shank a fatigued out force to death, not enough to take on anything with a significant amount of mage support.

>>167238431
Try "death match"

>>167237665
>EA Ermor, I chose it because of its theme
But the theme is shit you fucking pleb.
>unironically liking the Romans
The only good thing they had was gladiators.

>>167239481
I smell assblasted smelly french.

>>167238982
There are some things you won't learn until you see someone using them against you.
For example you won't understand how good communion batteries are until some jotun guy drowns you in skeletons.

The fuck is Jotunheim doing?
He hasn't even conquered his capring yet.

>>167239345
Ah yup that does it. Thank you.

>>167240208
Don't ever call me that again.

t. Englishman.

>>167240785
He's conquering mine

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Did we really die at 250 posts?

We need a sub for van after he disappeared leaving unattended his newbie disciple.

Right now Van's team isn't fighting anyone noticeable other than trying to finish Man, so please join fast or Malakal will probably start eating the staler into oblivion.

>>167241857
Shit nigga, why not tell the people neighbouring him?

>>167242340
I sent a message to you I think. 's fine, I'm mostly doing okay

>>167242442
You did? Must have missed it somehow.

>>167241557
Englishmen are fine, let's be friends

>>167242003
lmao, why would anyone play a solved game like Dominions

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>Update 4.29
>Blood Slaves are now properly tagged as females
>Shade Beast size 1 -> 2
>Dog size 2 -> 1
This game has been fucking ruined.

>>167243126
>male virginity
>worth shit
Even demons agree.

>>167243541
It's really quite unfair. Plenty of sacrificial myths involved male virgins -- just think of the most famous, the Minotaur.

>>167227872
Also, Yomi is perfectly fine.

>>167244438
this honestly. I don't understand the yomi bad meme at all.

>>167244881
Bad theorycrafting from the people who also thought lanka was ruined by turmoilpower. Lanka corrected quickly, but people still applied the same reasoning to Yomi.

>>167245006
Has Yomi 'corrected' quickly?

>>167237665
For some dumb reason nobody has mentioned astral fires, which is literally the only reason to play EA ermor.
But yeah, you want to run fire evo communions at first, then you want to run astral fires communions. You don't even need to recruit augur elders till turn 20 (except for 1 or 2 for sitesearching)

I llama dead?
I sent 3 different turns and not a single reply.

>>167245183
>Astral Fires
Yeah, I sure like to deal no damage to anything with antimagic.

>>167245545
New patch, friend. Llama always fucks up for a day or two afterwards.

>>167245183
I love this meme.

>>167245592
It's easily one of the best MR-negates spells in the game, and writing it off because of the existence of antimagic is like writing thunderstrike off because of the existence of the variety of different methods of getting shock resistance (this means you are fucking stupid by the way)

sent four turns and got no confirmation

is llamaserver kill

>>167246284
To add to my earlier point, 17/30 nations in EA don't actually have astral magic anyway.

>>167245159
What? Lanka "corrected quickly" means that people quickly learned they were fine.

Yomi still has many detractors.

>>167246284
>It's easily one of the best MR-negates spells in the game
Yeah, no.

>writing it off because of the existence of antimagic is like writing thunderstrike off because of the existence of the variety of different methods of getting shock resistance
Come back after finding a spell that grants you near total immunity to thunder strike at lvl3 research.

>this means you are fucking stupid by the way
I love you too, anon.

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GODDAM FUCKING GIANTS GIVE ME THAT FORT ALREADY

>>167246547
Right. So why does Yomi still have detractors, while people quickly learned that Lanka was fine?

Is it because the 2 nations interact with the turmoil power differently? Do you think the nations are equivalent enough that if TP is workable on one, it must be okay on the other? Or what?

>>167246652
No.

>check events
>got a lab and 5 mages for free
>from one event
God damn I love T3 L3.

>>167242752
Saw this a few times recently, is it some sort of new meme?

>>167243126
>Blood Slaves are now properly tagged as females
trapfags BTFO

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>>167248098
pls no bully

>>167246713
Drop the socratism. What's your actual point?

>>167244881
Expensive and fragile units on a nation which needs to take turmoil, mostly.

It's exaggerated, but it's still a thing.

>>167246713
Lanka has blood and reanimation.

>>167246632
Antimagic isn't level three. If astral fires isn't one of the best MR-negate spells, then what is?

Even with antimagic up astral fires kills 3-4 human troops per cast

>>167248743
Maybe Yomi actually differs from Lanka and you can't just say "well Lanka handles turmoil power fine, so obviously Yomi can too" without any reasoning.

>>167249143
Do you have an argument or just speculation about maybes?

>>167249268
Not particularly, which is why I was asking questions to begin with. I'm trying to see why you think the 2 nations are so seemingly similar to such an extent that if one handles TP, the other should be able to. I'm not trying to argue here.

Lanka does have blood (which is aided by turmoil to an extent), massive reanimation, really good summons off their blood + good sacreds to expand with, which helps any problems of turmoil power. What does Yomi have?

>>167249753

A recruitable SC chassis and Tengu summons?

>>167249930
>Dai Oni
>SC

I beg to differ. It's a decent Thug, but it lacks the ability to SC.

>>167249753
I don't think they're particularly similar.

I do think that the general arguments on why turmoilpower is crippling are either true or untrue, and if people were willing to accept they were untrue for Lanka because it won lots of games, they shouldn't think that turmoilpower crippled Yomi, either, which won a very respectable number of games, too.

>>167249962
You can begin to differ all you like, but Dai Oni fit into that category just fine.

>>167249962

It has an excellent base statline, is multiform, can cast both Soul Vortex and Phoenix Pyre, self bless, and deploy various buffs as necessary. Geared up right they are, at LEAST, comparable to Melquarts.

>>167250168
>>167250231
Fair point.

>>167250231
There's a dumb meme here that things with less HP than golems can't be SCs, even though the only relevant issue is whether they can fuck up a magesupported army that doesn't have counters ready.

>>167250383

I mean, I'm not gonna say they're best SC. They can't stand up to lategame summon chassis. But they're definitely fucking solid for a recruitable.

>>167249962
They're the best recruitable SC for actually fucking up enemy armies in actual engagements thanks to their pathing.

Fomorian kings are only better because you have far more freedom to choose your engagements (thanks cloud trapeze).

>>167250231

And gets one shotted by an anti demon weapon. Amazing SC.

>>167252286
which is a specific counter
any SC dies to a specific counter
the fuck is your point

>>167252286
That's true of Tarts too, and they're very much considered SCs (depending on their paths).

Just because it gets countered doesn't mean it's not an SC. An SC just means that it can beat an enemy army by itself. If it loses, then it was merely a thug.

>>167252286
and I newb but I think this is how it goes

Thug: has high stats, and cannot be killed with normal troops, holds it's own against an indeterminate number of normal troops but will get killed by any caster with basic evo / conjuration

SC: The same as before, but it's also immune to most things and that let's it get to the enemy casters with ease

SCs are tailor made against specific armies and therefore so unless it's a pretender with lots hp or 25 MR it will still get one shot by a counter

>>167253234
Thug: Commander with gear that hits things in melee
SC: Can kill an army. If it hits things, it's a supercombatant. If it casts things, it's a supercaster

>>167253515
I can't imagine a way to make a supercaster beyond casting super spells that affect all units but surviving. the fatigue costs are too much to end up knocking yourself out after 6 or 7 spells

>>167253695

Soul Drain.

>>167253695
If the amount of casts you can get out is enough to destroy/rout an army, it doesn't matter if you pass out on the last one.

>>167253695
soul vortex, reinvigoration, reinvig items, earthpower, relief to a certain extent

Plenty of ways to restore fatigue in battle

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Mongolian nation when?

And when's illfraud gonna fix horse archers?

>>167254181
LA TC is literally Mongols.

I want a Manchu nation, honestly, but I feel like it'd be hard to keep their mythology distinct from TC's

>>167253834
read on soul vortex / soul drain.both d spells. what if you nation doesn't have that?

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>Fort repair strength for mindless units was incorrect

>>167254452
stack reinvig items. Girdle, amulet of resilience, boots of the messenger, rainbow armour are easily accessible
cast summon earthpower (E2, conj 3, no gems)
cast relief (N6, ench 6, 1 gem)
cast reinvigoration (B1, blood 1, 1 slave)

>>167254571
It was 0.1 for everything, so it was correct for, say, Ermor but not for Vine Ogres.

Hey, VanillaSecks admin.

How about setting Pythium AI, you retarded idiot?

>>167254452

Drain is Astral. But then you're kinda screwed. Although sufficiently high path level will let you shrug off casting fatigue.

An S9 Oracle with both rings and a Crystal Coin can cast Master Enslave two turns in a row in Magic 3, for example, and that's 800 fatigue base.

is llamaserver kill?

>>167255824
The game was updated, so the server needs to be updated as well.

All admins should postpone for at least 24.

>>167255903
All admins shouldn't fucking touch their games while the server is being updated because it can only ever fuck shit up.

>>167255903
games won't host until after llama is fixed

>>167255903
Postponed 24 days just in case.

>>167257854
>We're sorry, but all information for your game has been lost.

not on my fucking watch

>>167260545
the thread nearly died at 115 replies
you fucks
fucking talk about something, anything

>>167260664

Anime fucking sucks and weebs should be expelled to the moon

>>167260804
well it'll get replies i guess

>>167260664
no turns = no pbem drama = no discussion / diplo in thread

if you want we can shit on /v/anheim personalities

actually as soon as I'm done getting my CVs sent I will try and get into modding

>>167260804
im not into anime but i read manga every day

>>167260942

It counts, to the moon you go

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>>167260804

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I have a basic understanding of the game, but are there any cute subby boys that would teach me the entirety of how to play?

>>167260907
>if you want we can shit on /v/anheim personalities
works for me
first of all, who are they
I know malakal and nick are diplomonsters but that's it

>>167261068
Sy's a pretty great mentor, but he's also a dom

>>167261060
but anime and manga are two different things anon-kun

>>167261124
was Sy in T_F?

>>167261110

If you're wanting to go historical, there's always Bob

>>167261068
Try moggers.

>>167261110

Sy plays innocent and helpful but then he wins all games anyway by keeping under the radar

Lukas thinks he's big shit but he ain't

>>167261110
i've never seen malakal on vanheim

nick is a diplomancer but specialized in strategy and attack timing

aram zeminir is an actual diplomonster known for chatting up basically every player he finds. nick and him know each other irl

sotha is the chat clown of dubious sexuality

cirno posts loli ero manga and everytime he talks politic he doens't stop until half the chat leaves

and uhh

there's one dude named salva that speaks exclusively in broken english and elfs you with yomi. he's cute

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>>167261110
How can you not know about okofire?

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>>167261515
oh and half of cirno's games are soro meme strats

also, who was fateposter? I have this pic from like 3 years ago

>>167261631
kek, who was he

>>167261216
no

>>167261819
oh

>>167261747

He is/was a loud idiot. Notable largely for being to stupid to operate PBEM and posting blitz announcements to everyone in the steam group every eight to twelve seconds.

Someone said Storm was good for Storm Demons. It'd certainly seem fitting given their storm power. But Storm fucks with missile attacks, something Storm Demons rely on. It also prevents their flying. Am I missing something here?

Also, what do these [x]-power things do?

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>>167261436

Isn't moggers old? And taken?

>>167261124

>dom

>>167261880

[x]-power is generally +[x] to strength, attack and defence when those conditions are met. Heat/Cold/Chaos power are up to +/- 3x, depending on scales, Dark Power is just x if it's dark.

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>>167261747
Underage Eastern-European kid.
Used to cause drama by hosting/joining blitzes and going AI as soon as he had any setback, he also left one time because he had to go to the barber.
He also has a weird obsession with leg-shaving.

>>167261923
>Isn't moggers old?
Early twenties I believe.
> And taken?
Moggers is a huge slut, I don't think that matters much.

>>167262141
topkek

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I haven't really played with any of the LA nations, so it might be a really dumb question, but is there even the hint of gunpowder in this game?
I'm pretty curious, hasn't anybody made a mod or something about it?

>>167261502
>Sy plays innocent and helpful but then he wins all games anyway by keeping under the radar
I think I've figured out his style, actually. It's not that he hides his own power, it's that he explains all this great stuff you can do conquer other people or help take down the big bad guy, with detailed information about what they're using and how to counter it, and then if you go ahead and implement it, then you'll do well in that war but he'll go conquer all the thrones and win.

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>>167261110
>tfw you still aren't a /v/anheim personality
What the hell am I doing wrong, should I start ERPing during blitzes, posting about consenting 7 year olds or going the okofire route and being a huge shitter?

Someone please explain how I too can become a /domg/ celebrity.

>>167262220
no gunpowder, but there are mods for it, including a WW2 inspired one, featuring USA/Germany/USSR as Something-or-another/Ulmreich/Sovirus

a few mods have tried it or been suggested, but the problem is if you don't have a weapon/projectile sprite, the attacks will just auto-hit.
if you do have a weapon sprite, they all arc like arrows, so it looks silly.

>>167262220
No gunpower, the most advanced technology most nations appear to get to is crossbows

>>167262476
Just win all your game.

>>167262543

Or at least never admit that you were in the ones you lose.

>>167262476
Host/Play a ton of games
That's it

>>167262543
But I'm a complete scrub.

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>>167262141
Don't forget this.

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>>167262220
>>167262502
>>167262534
Is this close enough?

>>167262842
Since it's magic it doesn't really count

>>167262502
Can't someone draw a projectile sprite? I've seen people drawing unit sprites. Shouldn't it be easier?

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EAChineseNewYears

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

7/10
EA
noob friendly and intermediates.
Got room for 3 more.

>>167263314
>if you do have a weapon sprite, they all arc like arrows, so it looks silly.
Someone should just make an invisible sprite. Obvious, really.

What mythologies should be added to the game? What mythologies should be expanded? What has to much?

Need more east asian stuff imo. Maybe some SE Asia or Polynesia. There's not nearly enough iron age Europe stuff either. Marverni/Ermor/Arco/Therodos are pretty much it.

There's too much Norse. Why is Helheim even a thing? At least do Muspelheim or something so there's fire norse.

>>167263408
They're Scandi. Of course there's too much Norse.

More subsah African stuff would be great.

At what base precision is stuff like Wind Guide no longer worthwhile?

>>167249962
Dai Oni fill both rolls excellently, only falling off in the lategame when other chassis come online.

Anything with stats like that and ExD3 is gonna make a good SC.

>>167263502
>More subsah African stuff would be great.
How much is even known about their myths?

>>167252286
>It gets countered therefore it's bad

BREAKING NEWS, EVERY SINGLE UNIT, SPELL AND STRATEGY IN THE GAME IS BAD

>>167263661
A lot. Why wouldn't there be?

History too.

>>167263601

100

>>167253695
Living X, Soul Drain, Evo 9 spells, Wailing Winds (Kinda), a few others, but those are the main ones.

>>167263728
>A lot. Why wouldn't there be?
Mostly purely oral tradition, lack of interest by scholars, some areas dangerous or difficult to access?

>>167262374
Which makes a lot of sense when you realise that a lot of people aren't actually playing to win, they just want to fight fun early-mid, midgame, and mid-late wars.

>>167261515
>tfw you don't get mentioned
>tfw the illusion of being important because you made a few mods vanishes

>>167263741
Thank you m8 that was very helpful

More specifically, is it worth going to alt 4 for Wind Guide to increase precision from 24 to 29?

This is for Storm Demon + skelespam. Other useful-seeming alt spells in that range are protection (to boost prot0 skelies) and enlarge (it seems like a further useful boost to skelies which would also allow trampling?).
>>167263927
>lack of interest by scholars
The exact opposite my man.

And...you know sub-Saharan Africa means literally all of Africa that isn't North Africa, right? We're talking Nigeria and South Africa and Ethiopia.

>>167263330
count me in

I have a birbs meme strategy that I want to legitimise

>>167264663
>Innovative

>>167264396
>And...you know sub-Saharan Africa means literally all of Africa that isn't North Africa, right? We're talking Nigeria and South Africa and Ethiopia.
I always thought of Ethiopia as being more in the North African sphere due to its interactions with Egypt and the near-east.

>>167264863
It's considered south enough.

>>167264928
Ok.

Well tell me some cool sub-saharan Africa myths. Make an Ethiopian nation. (No Beta-Israel, enough nations have Melqarts)

>>167265156
I've already got a pet not!African nation, but I'm lazy. Basically Benin in MA, then Dahomey in LA. African Sparta with crossbows and lots of slaves.

>>167265341
I don't know anything about Benin or Dahomey. "Dahomey" is rife for memes though.

>>167265431
Unfortunately I am still lazy. However there would of course also be half-naked sacred chicks with berserk.

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>>167265341
>>167265431
Haha Benin

>>167261694
Oh wow, somebody saved it. I didn't realize that 3 years have passed already

JobbingToXibalba Extension pls

>>167263661
Less about that and more about the fact that they don't do pantheons with lots of gods like we do.

Only ones who did something akin to that were west african / south nigerian fons, akans and yorubas, and their myths mix together a lot

Early east african myth is unknown because lol egypt, and old somalian ethiopian oral tradition was lost when they the abrahamics did their thing.

that's why Machaka exists really. Too little to have a solid pantheon so they had to lump different myths together to make a nation. Not even myths actually, they just grabbed what the """"""""""great""""""""" Greek historian Herodotus said about the east African sea trade kingdoms and called it a nation. It's why you don't even have a LA machaka because Herodotus' descriptions are matched with no existing evidence of those kingdoms (and the actual historical sea trading kingdoms of east Africa turned to Islam of which there's 0 dom4 nations based on it)

>>167265341
>Dahomey

there's enough blood in there to make mictlan look like a walk in the park. would play

>>167265431
Benin was a medieval kingdom known for being African China because they built a billion walls everywhere. They were also culturally pretty unique - very few traces of other cultures mixing with them. Unique pottery, etc, etc. In fact that part of west Africa is suspected to be one of the places where agriculture was developed independently.

In game they's be MA ulm with fortresses.

Actually, we could make a EA (Ghana) -> MA (Benin) -> LA (Dahomey) west african trilogy. enough material on them all to make a nation that is not like machaka.

In fact I think you could even make a splinter MA nation for the Mali empire and a LA nation for the 1700s Hausa city states. Bam, the whole west african area resumed in 5 nations.

>>167269529
The omission of an Arab nation is pretty glaring now that you mention it.

>>167264114
>And...you know sub-Saharan Africa means literally all of Africa that isn't North Africa, right? We're talking Nigeria and South Africa and Ethiopia.

yeah I didn't like fourth turning much because every mistake I did had people calling me out on it. mate i'm playing to have fun not to win a 30 player clusterfuck where you won't even see half the nations before the game ends

>>167269816
If shoving it next to Abysia and Hinnom isn't a problem, I think the only real issue is that it might just end up being Ragha lite depending on what magic paths it gets. I'm reminded of that one mod nation that had recruitable cap only durable RoS casters (with high path strength besides)

>>167261880
Lightning is a Magic Weapon which means it fires in a storm.

If you let the thread die again I will verbally insult you

>>167261880
>>167271016
Actually, it is specifically a weapon that ignore shields which means it is part of a subset of ranged attacks that ignore Storm. You usually see that applied to spells, but yeah.

Also, Storm Demons fly in storms too. They also fly and fire underwater, because the effect that limits flight is literally just storm

>>167263408
Off the top of my head cultural groups not on the game:

°Mongolian Tengrism and central Eurasian Turkic myth - VERY different from LA TC, in fact you can make a whole EA (central eurasian horse archers fighting assyri- i mean abyssia with indo european elements) MA (turkic khaganate hordes) LA (pax mongolica tengrists) trilogy
°Southeast Asian and Tibetan Buddhism - both different from TC on some fronts but similar enough to be lumped together. would make great MA (aka "fuck india: the nation) and perhaps EA
I°ndonesian / Polynesian / Hawaiian myth (Buddhist and Muslim) - Polynesian EA, Buddhist MA, Muslim LA. could have lore with marignon
°You could make like five nations out of remaining indian myth - Lanka-Bandar-something is basically southern India in northern jungles and it doesn't cover anything related other geographical regions like west india and actual northern india / bengal. EA / MA ashoka's empire, LA Bengal, LA sikhs, Indian Demon kingonm a la Yomi, etc, etc.
°Anything arab. The closest thing to it is Abbysia (Assyrians that survived EA) and Ragha which something akin to caliphate era Iran. Could be EA arab tribes, MA Arab caliphate, EA Achaemenids, MA Parthia (we have the roman empire but not their historic archrivals!?), LA Abassids. Problem would be fitting them with Ragha if we agree they represent conquered Iran.
° North american natives, pampas natives, EA pre incas
° Everything African

you could also do meme religions for one off like Sunism (only religion left in medieval middle east after zoros and hindus were removed. Literally nobody would know this unless you played Crusader Kings II) and the Aboriginal myths (there's seven trillion of them) or South Chinese native myths (there's a couple pantheons in there with distinct looking fashion than traditional china), Finnish myth, etc.

>>167270338
Ragha is basically Iran coping with arab influences and Abyssia is an Assyria that survived the classical era

>>167273547
>(central eurasian horse archers fighting assyri- i mean abyssia with indo european elements)
Sauromatia was the indo-european steppe peoples, I thought?

Name the top three things you want in Dominions 5:

1. Naval warfare (they're basically light forts that move over water)
2. Separate commander and mage recruitment slots
3. A new magic path just so we can add a shitload more nations without getting samey.

>>167254181
Although LA TC exists, its true we don't have a TRVE ALTAIC faction of mongols of turksmell nomads, and it'd be interesting to see what they'd do with tengri mythology.

I want a comfy central asian nation to be honest though

>>167273819
>1. Naval warfare (they're basically light forts that move over water)
ehhh, this can be left out.
>2. Separate commander and mage recruitment slots
Would finally make the national commanders worth using.
>3. A new magic path just so we can add a shitload more nations without getting samey.
While I'd love to see a new magic path I'd rather see the current ones reworked, fire and water really need some love.
And maybe blood a bit nerfed.


Personally I just like to see the UI reworked.

>>167274284
>ehhh, this can be left out.
Adds diversity to nations and gives UW nations something to do (since now they interact with sailing nations)

>>167273819
1.) 3D graphics on par with a Bethesda game, photorealistic style
2.) Full voice acting on all characters and dialogue options, in-engine cutscenes as well
3.) A new, quicker, battle mode that rewards the player for killing large amounts of enemies with special one-use abilities that can devastate the entire field.

>>167274578
Don't forget a full open world and romance options.

>>167273819
1) More dynamic battlefield generation
2) Planar shenanigans
3) Commander and mage recruitment like you said

>>167275034
>2) Planar shenanigans
What, like Master of Magic or Age of Wonders?

>>167273686
Sauromatia is based on Schythians and greek aka Herodotus amazon myths

remember that eurasia is 3 times the size of europe

>>167275034
>>167274284
planes and magic reworking would be great

>>167275206
Like CoE

Suggest cute names for Patala, Vanheim, and Mictlan please.

>>167277095
patala (en los huevos)
glimmering elf man looks for feisty jotun his size
Kuruminha

>>167277095
You should've specified that they're for CC, so a pretender name and 2 disciple names are needed.

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Post pretenders from other games.

F9 blessed Titan of Heaven no wonder he got domkilled

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>>167277561
>pretender
>blessed

>>167262141
He's migrated to clockwork hounds, sadly. He's taking advantage of their automatic bltiz bot to demand a blitz on a daily basis. Last seen camping 100 W9 Niefel giants on one province long enough to disease them all, then charging into Heat 3 against a dedicated Skelespam army with nothing more than 4 Skratti.

>>167277793
>Last seen camping 100 W9 Niefel giants on one province long enough to disease them all, then charging into Heat 3 against a dedicated Skelespam army with nothing more than 4 Skratti.
...really?

>>167277838
Sounds like a very oko thing to do.

>>167277793
How can a man never learn from a thing he does every single day?

He has improved, actually.

>>167273819
1. More map flexibility. The ability to define separate map images which are different "layers" including subterranean and astral, and stuff that changes the terrain types of provinces, with a system to change the graphics too. Maybe not as far as underwater or not, but the other stuff.
2. A way better text editor, with modern conveniences. At the very least, the game should be able to render Tir na nÓg correctly.

>>167275732
You mean "never actually relevant in normal gameplay"?

>>167277838
It's true. He sat there long enough for me to hit rigor mortis and darkness.
>>167278126
Well, you can only go up, considering that he outright stated that he believed mages were only met to research, and shoved medallions of vengeance into the middle of his archers.

>>167278457
>mages are only meant to research
>research is only for giving new non-research tools for mages
what did he mean by this?

>>167278629
Fuck if I know, 90% of my brain shuts down when he opens his mouth, which still leaves me with 10% more than he's operating with.

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What changed?

>>167278885
-Stat fixes

>>167278885

Changes. There's complete patchnotes, or at least commit messages, on the illwinter site.

>>167279004
""""stat fixes""""

I fucking hate it when they do that

>>167278885
Dogs are smaller, shade beasts are bigger, and blood magic is now fueled by the deaths of women rather than of transvestites.

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wtf I hate malgrib now

>>167227872
your input is appreciated, but I think you are in the minority. also, the statblock is from an oni, not an oni general. thanks for the heads up about the prot, i will fix that right away.

>>167278002
He's from the middle east

can't expect miracles

>>167278885
Machaka nerfs

>>167279938
Make it non-sacred.

Oni stats with armour is already very nice

>>167280242
isn't it like, super expensive? I thought it would be around 80 gold..

>>167280242
I feel like thats even more broken, because then you can recruit as many as you want.

>make fortress
>next turn after construction, site search
>castle arcanum
T-t-thanks

>>167263330

What's a good nation for taking a couple major blesses and going ham in the early game? I tried my first couple of games going the non-bless rout, and now I just want to have a bunch of retards to go killing straight out the box.

>>167279901
t. malgrib

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Is Conquest of Elysium tolerated in /domg/?

>>167284804
Sure, but the game is ass so nobody really talks about it.

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>>167284843

I guess I just have shit taste or something.

I added a Demonbred commander to EA and MA Abysia who can command Misbred troops. Tell me what you think:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3228

>>167227872
I think your opinion is retarded and you should feel bad for having it.

>>167285816
j/k, lol! (But seriously, a nutless monkey could do your job)

>>167284954
Nah, you just haven't realised how small the scope of the game actually is yet.

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>want to get better at the game
>pbems too slow
>too inexperienced for blitz on /van/

what do

>>167288379
Just join the blitzes that nick isn't in. The other players tend toward scrub.

Don't walk into ulmgrib's PD shit either.

>>167288467
how to fight grib
>wait for thugs
>destroy 60 PD with a single good thug
>laugh at him when he gets ass-blasted and goes AI

>>167281395
There's a lot, actually. You could take TC in the spirit of that game, but Vanheim, Niefelheim, Lanka, Mictlan, Kailasa, and Atlantis can all reasonably take a double bless.

>>167263330
>Malakal Moderator Jan 27 @ 8:39am
>You guys aren't all noobs right? I'd feel bad joining if you were since I have some experience.

kek

>>167263330
dangit I wanted Fomoria

>>167263330
"plane of rusty caves (reduced bad starts)" is a desura link mang
you need to upload that shit somewhere

>>167290565
Did you managed to meta-eat Nicknight's nation in Fourth turning?

>>167290880
a diplomancer never reveals his secrets

>can't even spell your name correctly
is this also diplomance tic tacs

>>167291390
It's a little something called 'innovation', scrub.

>>167292007
bitch nigga wouldn't know innovation if it H3 Niefelheimered his ass

>>167285203
Here is what I think:

Buffing nations by massively changing the way they are played is not the best way to do buffs. This applies to both your yomi mod and this. (Also, EA Yomi and MA Abysia are good, underrated nations, AND MA ABYSIA ALREADY HAS A FLYING DEMONBRED COMMANDER)

so how exactly does communion work? do the slaves give their astral levels to the master or what?

>>167294458
>>167294458
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Communions

>>167294458
Basically a Communion Master gets +1 to all his spells for every 2^n Communion Slave.
So:
2 slaves = +1 to all magic schools to master
4 slaves = +2
8 slaves = +3
etc...

>>167295276
is there any limit to masters?

>>167293526
yeah, a slow to recruit mage that costs over 250 gold

>>167293526
I don't care what you think.
Your opinions are garbage and you stink.

>>167295738
Just how ever many mages you got that can become a master. Too many masters though can start exploding your Communion Slaves, unless they got regen cheese on them.

>>167296282
I didn't ask for your feedback :^)

whats the general strategy for ea machaka in terma of research, spells, etc?

>>167298401
Ench 6

>>167297637
Well fucking SOMEBODY asked for it.

>>167299030
the demonbred commander, not your opinion. unless they were being sarcastic.

Yomi needs a heretic

>>167299570
Fucking WHY? Heretiks are BAD

>>167299730
because everyone bordering them is going to be taking O3

>>167299730
Heretics are useful when you can send them into enemy dominion.

>>167299786

Spreading dom via heretics is slow, painful, and vulnerable.

Bloodsac is what you mean. But the actual answer is to have units that don't suck and aren't tied with iron rope to your candles.

>>167264663
Host here who are you? Post in the steam discussion so I can account you. Until then I can't accept random pretenders sorry. (because both malaka and sum1won thought they were fit for a noob game).

>>167302587
>(because both malaka and sum1won thought they were fit for a noob game).
They were joking

>>167244438
>Yomi is perfectly fine

>>167279938
>I think you are in the minority
Nevertheless, you asked for my opinion on the change.

>>167285816
>I think your opinion is retarded
Why so?

>>167249053
>Even with antimagic up astral fires kills 3-4 human troops per cast
That sounds wrong to me, I'm going to do some math.

It's AoE 4, so let's be optimistic and say it hits the full 12 humans. They're in a box or something, and have no gaps or non-full squares.

Each human gets a MR check against it. At 14 MR that's a 24% chance to ignore damage entirely, so an average of 3 (12 * .25) humans take damage.

Damage is 10, armor negating. I'll be generous again, and assume these are shitty human units with only 10 hp. Chance to kill a 10hp guy with 10 damage is 54%, so you'd kill only about 1.5 per cast against full-hp enemies. The other 1.5 which took damage will likely be in bad shape, though.

Even with optimistic values, 3 kills per cast isn't doable. You'll get closer to 3 kills per cast as enemy targets get lower on hp, but even if everything had 1hp left you wouldn't quite reach 3 kills per cast.

>>167302587
already replied on the thread. I apologize.

>>167302835
The real killer of astral fires is that falling fires, for only 1 less AOE, does 15 AP damage - which is more than 10 AN vs targets with 10 prot (not too uncommon in EA) even presuming the latter didn't have an MR check.

And no one lauds falling fires as the end all be all spells. As is the spell's only niche is killing ulmites and deep ones desu - and only then after they've been buffed with army of gold.

>>167303280
Actually, Astral Fires would probably be a decent spell once Army of Gold comes out.

Falling fires vs army of gold is 10AP damage vs 20+ protection, and it won't set things on fire. Astral Fires does have MRN, but beyond Antimagic there isn't much you can do to protect yourself.

>>167304013
Nevermind that post, I'm retarded.

I thought you were talking about Falling Fires here:
>As is the spell's only niche is killing ulmites and deep ones desu - and only then after they've been buffed with army of gold

I'd add it's also one of the very few UW-ok evocations, which might be handy sometime.

>>167304013
It isn't decent, since Pillar of Fire can clear out 1 square through defenses vs human HP values, and many lategame elites have high MR (you're not punching through anti-magic'd high end blood summons . . . ever)

It is, however, better than falling fires at least. In the event your enemy has alt9, and you have evoc6 but not evoc8.

Is llamaserver still going screwy? I don't think that my turn is registering.

>>167307146
Game: YesItsAMiddleAgeGame

Bandar Log Waiting for 2h file
>C'tis 2h file received
Jotunheim 2h file received
Man Waiting for 2h file
Marignon Waiting for 2h file
Nazca Waiting for 2h file
Vanarus 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i Waiting for 2h file
Ulm Waiting for 2h file
Xibalba 2h file received

looks fine mang
check your junk folder?

>turn 22 of Skeleton Wars
>first non deadland D site
motherfuck

ded

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Since I'm going AI so I can work on my thesis anyway I've decided to expose the jew that is Tien Chi.

>is the biggest force on the map
>has two gem generating globals
>gets attacked by birds
>asks for spare elemental gems
>send him water and fire asking for nature or anything that's not death/fire
>completely eats up Caelum
>sends me half of what I sent in nature asking for a 1:2 trade
>"uuh no"
>sends me all my gems back and asks for his nature gems

Fo shame.

>>167307418
>YesItsAMiddleAgeGame
Christ, that sounds more like a cry for help than a game title

>>167299570
Yeah sneaky heretic oni or whatever would be handy. They already have sneaky troops. I mean these are pretty assholish monsters we're talking about.

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>>167311750
Just make a little Max Stirner imp

>>167273819
1. viable scales industry strats
2. gunpowder weapons. Just a few, and they can have the shitty drawbacks early guns had, but it'd be cool.
3. waaay more RP elements. I want to feel like a god, damnit.
4. romanceable waifus for no reason other than themselves.
>>167277561
He was the Pantokrator.

Actually, I was thinking about making a Dark Souls mod.

>>167273819
How do you do naval warfare when there's only overland, underground and underwater provinces? And ships are utter shit against any critters that can move underwater anyway.

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>>167312017
He's more of a siege defense kinda unit

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>>167312362

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>>167312323
>Ship to ship battles
A standard fight where units with ship sprites fire at each other on a water background. Large units like asp turtles and giant eagles can also participate. Mages and archers might act as bonus weapons.
>Boarding battles
Enemy troops fight some of your troops on the deck. If they win then your ship is captured/sunk. UW and flying troops can easily initiate this.
>Coastal battles/sieges
A battlefield enchantment called "ship bombardment" causes random fireballs to rain down on enemy troops. Your troops can also retreat to the ships if they lose.

>>167279901
The only time i have played with Malgrib he was a faggot and started staling and asking for extensions and not taking his turns.

It was like pottery.

t. Teaching feeling guy

>>167307418
I've realized what the problem is. Whenever I load the llamaserver page with the turn status it's locked at an old time. It's still telling me that it's 0:41 GMT.

>>167290565
I fucking know there were other people who did this too.
I'll probably buy a third dominions copy soon for big games.

>>167312323
I want map layers. How about an airscape too?

>>167313480
>pic
Phoenicians BTFO

>>167290565
What exactly am I looking at?

>>167315190

Some fucker playing two nations.

>>167314001
>>167316198
It's fairly common in other, similar games, too. Diplomacy had/has a problem with it, IIRC.

>>167273819
1.Map tiles changing based on scales. Cold scales switching to a snow tile, heat scales to one using warmer colors.

2.Battlefield changing more based on scales and tile type. I want swamp tiles to be a huge pain in the ass to fight in unless the swamp is either completely dried (H3) or frozen (C3).

3.Possibility to upgrade equipment of troops with either gems or gold or anything really. Not all nations should switch to using solely summons for armies in late-game, some of them should have the possibility to keep using their mundane troops. (At higher cost of course)

>>167315190
>>167316198
Some fucker claiming he's playing two nations (and actually faking it in singleplayer).

Even if you had two copies, you couldn't play both turns on the same copy. There is absolutely no reason to have the turns like that if you were actually playing two nations.

>>167317818
>You can't play two turns on the same copy
Admins have been able to set players AI and send in turns for their own nations just fine.

Has anyone actually seen this supposed protection kick in?

>>167273819

1- buff round to setup enchantments so defensive turn advantages can be worked around
2-better, more powerful mod support ( you are so fucking limited trying to balance the game)
3- siege weapons and battlefield obstacles

>>167318038

Not recently, but it is definitely a thing that's happened. It's why the "Pirate copy" used to be one per game only. That was a legit copy of the game that someone had purchased and was distributing, which meant all the pirates had the same key.

>>167318038
I ran into it the first time I tried to set someone AI as an admin.

>Admins have been able to set players AI and send in turns for their own nations just fine.
Standard admin policy since forever has been to get another person to do the AI for you because of this problem.

Have you ever set someone AI as admin and not had a cd-key conflict?

>>167269529
>The story goes that Dakodonu, considered the second king in modern kings lists, was granted permission by the Gedevi chiefs, the local rulers, to settle in the Abomey plateau. Dakodonu requested additional land from a prominent chief named Dan (or Da) to which the chief responded sarcastically "Should I open up my belly and build you a house in it?" For this insult, Dakodonu killed Dan and began the construction of his palace on the spot. The name of the kingdom was derived from the incident: Dan=chief dan, xo=Belly, me=Inside of.
Something great can be made of this. I'm not sure what, but something great.

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bumpu~

>>167320708
I never realised how much Hitler was just a worse Napoleon.

Roughly how many research levels can you expect to have completed by the start of the mid-game?

>>167321213

I'd say you want your core combat stuff rolling for proper "midgame", so generally that'll be a few key research goals. As a rule of thumb I guess two or three paths at 5/6, but as usual It Depends.

>20+ mails for 3 games
What the fuck llamaserver? And I'm not talking about turn resends.

>>167321924

It always does weird shit around patch time. I've been getting "Revised turn accepted" for all of the fresh turns I've been sending.

>>167261110
That dumb cunt that made cronemod whatever her name was.
Bob the samefagging memegod.

>>167321358
My key research goals seem to be spread across five schools at around 4, 5 or 6, but the bare essentials are probably limited to three of 'em.

>>167261872
>posting blitz announcements to everyone in the steam group every eight to twelve seconds.
That was one guy? Holy shit, I quit the group because of him.

>>167284954
How the fuck do you have patience for that shit?
Fighing a war of attrition agains wildlife for ages before you can do anything cool isn't fun.

>be autistic kid in highschool
>no friends
>bullied every day
>/b/ is your big-brother figure
>pretend the guys you play some sperg game with are your friends
>can't stop, gotta keep playing, please don't leave me
>eventually get banned for your desperate autism
This is my head canon.

>>167322463
meant to link >>167322228

>>167322228

Yeah. They changed the settings so users can't post announcements anymore for pretty much exactly that reason. Also I think he might be banned. Don't do blitzes myself so it's been a while since I've bothered looking at chat. There's way less "BLITZ GUYZ GET IN BLITZ" spam now at least.

>>167322181

Sounds like you've got your midgame goals there then.

>>167322228
Not quite. The massive spam was Todger and co. Oko did it a lot, but he didn't do the 4 hour spree.

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R A T T L E
M E
B O N E S

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I really hope you eventually realize how much of a dumbass you were.

>>167325142
what the fuck

what did he cast?

>>167325231
Not talking about that battle report.
>want to gift him 4 provinces, because I accidentally cut him off, so he is bordering other players and neutrals again
>nu-uh I'll make my own borders and I don't feel comfortable around giants :^)

>>167325401
Yeah he should have stabbed you in the back at least.

Unless he had reason to distrust you, in which case he should have surprise-attacked you.

>>167325517
He did.

>>167325556
Then he did the right thing.

>>167325556
>>167325584
i.e. the issue lies with "what did he cast". If he'd had the capability of winning (not certainty, mind), he'd have done the right thing.

>>167325584
>FREE PROVINCES
>could have stabbed me in the back anyway, after preparing sufficiently
>ideally after I started a war elsewhere
>instead mindlessly suiciding his troops at me the first possible moment was "the right thing"

>>167325668
Horde of Skeletons and Star Fires.

>>167325832
That's the exact opposite of what I said you dongle.
>Yeah he should have stabbed you in the back at least.
= take your offered shit and ideally find an opportune time.

Unless, of course, he distrusts that you will even give him these provinces.

Also I kind of assumed you were in another war, because that's the main reason you'd be desperate not to get into a war with him.

>>167326083
>Unless, of course, he distrusts that you will even give him these provinces.
I'm too honest for this game. I'd feel bad if I sprung a trap on a player after he accepted such a proposal.

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>>167324893
>Dude there's a princess there I'm sure of it.

>>167326224
It would be interesting to hear his own reasoning. Did he give you anything beyond "discomfort"?

>>167325401

Regardless, what the fuck happened in that battle?

what are some spells that allow me to move between provinces faster? iirc there are teleport spells but i forget which is which.

>>167327472
Cloud Trapeze is one.

>>167327472

Teleport for single target, Gateway for an army.

Cloud Trepaze is the favoured air mage delivery system

Fairy Trod is nature, but its not 100% reliable, and only gets you to a forest.

And then there is a Death one where you walk through the underworld, cant remember the name of it. Chance to get attacked by shit as you do, although stealth has a lower chance of getting attacked

and remember that magic movement is before any other movement, so you can nuke someone with a well placed mage attack

>>167327309
It's a beginner game, so "giants are bad and threatening" is enough of a reason I guess.

>>167327382
What was supposed to happen?
Giants slowly beat everything to a pulp.

>>167327701

With that many archers and mages, I'd have assumed he'd do a little more damage. But I guess he didn't have any hard hitters in melee.

>>167327574
my bois only have astral 2, any items i could make to boost them a bit or will i have to shell out to empower?

>>167327773
Archers aren't going to penetrate my armor (well a couple of lucky shots killed one giant).
Star Fires might kill normal troops but not regenerating giants.
Horde of Skeletons don't impress fatigue neutral giants (also commanders spamming banishments).
So yeah, no hard hitters and mages casting useless spells.

Actually one of my last games was me playing Sauromatia fighting Niefelheim. There are some fun tools you can employ against them.

>>167327886

With astral 2 you can make starshine skullcap to boost that to 3.

If you have any earth, you can make a crystal coin for an additional boost in astral. If you dont it can seriously be worth empowering an astral mage to E2 just so you can get that extra astral, but it all depends if you need it for rituals or magic items, since astral mages can form communions in battle and boost themselves.

>>167327701
he can cast some evo alt that would fuck your giants up.

>>167327997

E4 bless makes niffles fatigue neutral?

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>>167328138
>E4

>>167328085

How would mind burn spam fare in that battle?