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Just so i know, in ds3 whats the average level for the end of a casual single player playthrough

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>>166875129
Overrated boss

i really love running around naked
is wearing no armor in DS3 a huge downgrade compared to, say, just wearing the swordmaster's rags?

first for sully

>>166875238
Agreed. Every single boss in the Nioh Alpha, Beta, and last chance demo were more challenging, just as an example.

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Shit, old thread hit bump limit. Is the nigga I was discussing DS3 quality builds with still here? I was going to say I didn't get enough levels to get to 40/40 in DS1 while also keeping VIT and END high. These were my DS1 attributes when I beat the game. What do you think I did wrong, and what level range do people typically reach in DS3?

>>166875496
quality wasn't as much of a thing in DS1, due to no refined infusion.

>>166875197
Probably somewhere around 80-90.

>>166875129
>>166875350
Why do you insist on this fucking insufferable namefagging?

>>166874675
>>166874830
I like melee, but I want to spice it up a little,
Like some support spells/miracles.
Because I know, If I equip main damaging spells/miracles, it would be very tempting to not use them during the boss fights, which could make the fight boring.
I'm not even talking about pvp, where it's very easy to read such attacks.
>>166874860
Oh that's sound fun. Maybe you can recall the channels name?

>>166875673
This is why, it gives him attention. Just leave him be, and he'll fade into the background. Trying to get a reaction from him doesn't end well, ever

>>166875496
Most common level range is 120 in dks 3 because the community has been invaded by the same retards who enjoyed dks 2, who think builds have more variety when you softcap 4 of your 9 attributes. They always go 40/40/40/40 because "MUH VARIETY, MUH MORE WEAPONS AVAILABLE" then never use anything beyond whatever the best quality greatsword, curved sword and straight sword is. Play 99-100 if you want to fight actual builds, 120 if you want to be miserable and hate the community even more.

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PSHHH

>>166875673
He's a tripfag and loves attention, just don't reply to him.

It also makes it easier to filter him.

>>166875496
Basically in DaS1 you want to stick to Dex and use dex weapons, in DaS2 you want Str and use Str weapons and in DaS3 you want both.

>>166875496
PvP meta in DaS3 is 125

>>166875757
Kek I'm not sure I follow this about actual builds and hating the community.

Why are players from China such hostile cunts?

>>166876141
They're communists

>>166876215
they aren't though, they just have a party with communist in its name that are dictators and killed off people who originally supported them after they went dictator instead of communist

>>166875887
>in DaS1 you want to stick to Dex and use dex weapons
I thought STR vs. DEX was pretty hotly contested in DS1. I personally went DEX because I liked the winged spear and halberd so much early on.

>>166876141

Your first mistake is thinking China is occupied by "people".

>>166876354
STR weapons in Dark Souls 1 were absolute garbage at everything except being Backstab Sticks. I'd say even Dark Souls 3 STR weapons are better, because at least you have the Millwood Battle Axe and Yhorm's.

So is magic good in DS3?

>>166875757
But at SL100 you can still be matched to people at 120?

>>166876459
It's annoying, and if you underestimate it, you can be destroyed by a good mage. But I don't know if I would call it "good".

>>166876459
Its not really op but you can manage. Great for invades but in a duel people will just roll out of the way.

>>166876104
Play at 100 if you want to see strength builds, dex builds, pyromancers, mages.

Play at 120 if you want to see
>washing poles at 40/40 that always have 419 AR
>refined dark swords at 40/40 that always have 433 AR
>every fight is against a player with Tears of Denial active
>no ultra weapons ever
>everybody parry fishing with caestus and hornet ring

Also should I get the Ashes of Ariandel DLC if I'm just started DS3 or is this all late game shit that I don't need right now?

>>166876621
Nah, it's a pretty bad DLC

>>166876686
Its not bad, its just short.

>>166876602
>>166876608
What about for PvE? I'm sure I'll dick around with PvP at least a little but it's not what I have in mind when deciding what kind of character I want to play.
>>166876612
Ah, I gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

About to start my Cersei cosplay.

Wish me luck.

>>166876459
If you actually use your brain and don't just try to cheese with HCSM -> CSS it's the most annoying thing in the game to deal with.

>>166876621
The DLC can be accessed pretty early on, although the enemies will be really strong for you.

Don't mind the others, it's a really good DLC, only very short (this is what triggers the other Anons)

>>166875693
Well there are buffs in all three schools if you wanna do that.

>>166876785
>Cersei cosplay
Be sure to show us. I want to see.

>>166876747
It's one of the better builds for PvE but also really boring to play. It's the same shit every time
>cast weak, fast spell
>cast slow, strong spell while they're stunned by weak spell
Rinse and repeat. Bosses are a kite fest and 2-3 of the bosses have such insane resistance to magic that you're forced to carry a pyromancy flame around just to deal with them.

>>166876747
In pve after you get chaos orb on a pyro everything is cake. The only boss you'll have trouble with is Oceiros I think.

>>166876612
>>166875757

which one has more players though

>>166876785
How you do play a Cercei character? Act like a huge cunt until all of your phantoms die and then use a hail mary chaos bed nuke when youre cornered?

>>166877040
100 for PvE, duels, co-op, invasions. 120 for duels and rarely invasions.

>>166876982
Which type of magic are you referring to, sorcery? Is faith magic any good? Like is a STR (or quality) and faith mix viable/fun?

>>166876742
It is bad
>inundated with weapons that have generic movesets
>one boss, the NPC + midboss enemy doesn't count
>swarms of enemies everywhere in place of actual level design

>>166876354
No it wasn't. It was Dex, Quality, and Elemental. Str only really had the BKGA, and it was nerfed into the dirt.

>want to get DS3 GOTY
>it has a shitty ass cover art

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>>166877119
Okay.

Can someone post a pyro build maybe lvl 60-80ish

>>166877117
Faith is garbage in 1v1s, okay in team fights BUT ONLY 3v3 ARENA. Can't use your healing spells on other invaders so invasions are garbage. 90% of faith builds are just Lightning Stake hyper armor trades with some minor regen and maybe a healing spell to run away like a bitch when you're low on hp in the arena.

Heavy Caestus + Regen builds are pretty fun but faith is garbage aside from just weapon buffing.

>>166876612
100s can get matched with 120s iirc

>>166877349
Sorry, I meant to specify for PvE, not PvP. I'm just starting the game for the first time. I've beaten DS1 and Bloodborne, and was just trying unsuccessfully to get into DS2. The controls/gameplay was just really poorly done.

>>166877368
As a 99, I can't invade or get invaded by 120s (118 max) for both covenant patches and red eye invades. I still don't know what the arena summon ranges are.

Can I invade a SL 120 as a SL 140 ?

>>166877783
Yes

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How would you make the dragon from jojo move viable? Poise?

>>166877805
Ok thanks

>>166877854
Extremely pronounced buttocks

>>166877854
Hyper armor and insane damage. There's no way someone gets hit by that move ever so at least make it do worthwhile damage.

why is there no ds3 sfm porn?

Best starting classes for DS3? I know it doesn't matter past the first few levels but which ones are considered solid starting points?

>>166878027

Warrior.

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First time playing Dark Souls III
I am a knight wielding a +4 butcher knife
I don't know which stats I should level up
My estus flasks are +1 and I have 4 estus flasks

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>>166878112

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Question for you guys. If you were put into Dark Souls 3, how far do you think you could progress until dying? This is assuming that the enemies have the same attacks. Imagine fighting a Lothric Knight that actually was as skilled as an actual person. Not good.

This is -surprisingly- a serious question.

>>166878160
Sorry, my phone is retarded and the rotation is akways fucked up

>>166876459
>get mage invader
>he spawns some homing beacon missiles
>keeps doing that and chasing me
>when they land it takes out all my health
>he's a competent dodger
from his gesturing i think his methods worked more often then not

>>166878112
Learn how to take a screencap first. And I don't mean take another picture of your tv.

>>166878027
Warrior for pure physical builds 99.9% of the time, Knight if you like some extra att for WAs for just 1-2 levels higher.

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>>166878027
>I know it doesn't matter past the first few levels

>>166877531
>99s still don't know max upwards range is +20 +10% of their SL

You've been invading metacancer all along idiot

>>166878250
>all
meant half

a poker to finish the deal and they do well enough. Especially since invaders like that are rare.

>>166878319
When did they change it from DaS 1's +10 +10%?

>>166878183
Do we respawn?
Because realistically I'd be lucky to take down Iudex after that sludge comes out.
Unless I get to be a pyromancer, then I could last until maybe Farron Keep

>>166878183
Am I Undead or "Alive?"

If I'm not Undead then I'll probably die of dehydration or starve to death.

>>166878183
I would become the crestfallen warrior guy and just laze around in firelink for the rest of my life

>>166866585
>>166866735
>XD le DS2 is fanfiction!!
>The spurned child of the Abyss never dies, but phases in and out of its fringes.

Kill yourselves for taking souls lore seriously enough to call anything fan fiction.
All they do is self-reference and meme about convoluted time and space.

>>166878319
Well then PS4 just barely has any metafags then. Only time I ever see them is during euro and chink hours.

>>166878379
You're wrong again. DaS has no upwards limit

So many newfags.

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>>166878183
The real question is how long you could handle constant dying before you went mad.

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>>166864156

>we'll just get another grey shithole

nig, the entire DLC takes place in the kiln

we're not just getting another grey shithole, we're getting the greyest, shittiest hole they could possibly give us. This hole invented being grey and shitty.

>>166878479
The point is that SL 120 is something you've been facing a lot and the builds aren't samey.
You only made a placebo effect on yourself since you didn't know how matchmaking works

>>166878014
People too lazy to port models I guess
We've had the tools to get weighted and complete models since like a week after launch, so it's not like the first game where it took fucking years to get decent tools

>>166878501
Sorry, I didn't read the conversation and thought you were talking about summon ranges.

>>166878642
yeah the only dark souls thing i remember is the bird woman from ds2 or something plz dont hurt me senpai i only played ds3 and bloodborne will get ds2 soon.

Why is Sirris leaving irithyl? Does creighton in this game mean he beat pate? canon?

>>166878014
>sfm porn of Dancer

I now need it

>>166878314
Don't reply to me ever again unless you lose the name and tripcode first, faggot.

>>166878183
I wouldn't make it past Gundyr

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>>166878381
>>166878393
Undead, but you start with "stats" equivalent to what you are like.

Spells are available, but I doubt at the very beginning.

>>166878432
You could have some nice conversations.

Please note. The enemies have the same attacks as they do in the game, but you don't. That's the main advantage you would have.

>>166878561
The answer to that is basically until you can't handle anymore. One anon might be able to take it less than you and go mad after two deaths, but you might last five, or ten, or dozens of deaths before mentally deteriorating.

>>166878580
This

Plus if you're not happy with grey just get a fucking ReShade or SweetFX, or a combinaison of both. It won't get rid of the base "everything is grey", but the game will get more colorful, depending on which ReShade/SweetFX you choose to install.
No that can't get you banned.

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>>166879251
>but you start with "stats" equivalent to what you are like.
0 in everything, great.

>>166878097
>>166878298
If I want to use some faith magic, are Cleric and Herald any good? Or should I still just go with Warrior?

>>166879784
Start either cleric or knight

>>166879251
>No VIG, END, VIT, STR, DEX, OR FTH
>Don't even know the physical/mental attributes for ATT or INT

Won't even make it past the first hollow in the graveyard.

>>166879852
>Don't even know the physical/mental attributes for ATT
just count how many spells you can cast, anon
1 spell - 10 ATT
2 spell - 14 ATT
3 spell - 18 ATT
et cetera

>>166879819
Any particular reason you don't like Herald? That actually looks like a pretty balanced start.

>>166879251
>enemies have same attacks
question, do we have iframes? Because I don't think anyone could deal with shit like Dancer if they didn't, I mean, aside from running away or possibly throwing yourself to the floor between her legs every combo. If we're undead then I could see it being like Dragons Dogma once you got over the fear of death, if the "AI" behaves the same as in game then none of them have any real way of getting some lanky little hollow with daggers embedded into their flesh off of them.
>get harpe from undead settlement (basically any hook will do)
>sneak up on and jump onto enemy
>get hook dug into their armour/back
>gg

>>166879404
>recommending anyone sweetfx, ever for any reason.

I recommend you stop playing the games, because there are colorful games you could be playing instead.

>>166880025
It's terrible from a min-maxing point of view. If you aren't trying to minmax then it's perfectly fine.

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>>166879238
>>166879852
I think you'd make it past him. Just think on ways around his moves. Remember, you aren't limited to the attacks of the game.

>>166879551
Actually, everyone would start with decent stats. This is assuming that the average of a stat is in the 10, as basically anyone can pick up a one handed sword and swing it (relatively) properly. Maybe ATT/INT/FTH might be between 8-12 depending on the person. Faith also isn't directly attached to religion, it can be either faith in the gods or yourself (like the sunlight talisman).

Not only that, but claymores and zweihanders are actually not that hard to wield in two hands, so most would probably actually start between 10-16 strength.

You'd be shocked on how well people can perform in combat situations if they don't panic.

>>166880060
No i-frames, but your point is exactly some of the stuff that I'd like to hear. The only problem in your strategy would be in situations with multiple enemies and ones with AOE attacks.

>>166880298
Mind explaining this? I'm not a huge minmaxer but your answer may still contain useful info for me.

>>166879251
I'd die against Iudex but if I keep respawning I'd beat Soul of Cinder eventually.

>no infinite gold pine resin at handmaid

This game is so gay sometimes.

>>166880409
Most faith builds prefer knight because you get some decent vit, good strength/dex for meeting the minimum requirements on weapons and some att to start out with. Cleric/Herald has good faith and that's about it. One of those two (I think cleric) also starts with some luck which is completely useless for a cleric unless you plan on using one of the 2 bleed spells in the faith path.

>>166880409
if you're trying to minmax you want the class that has the highest starting value in the stat you want to minmax.

>>166880409
At meta levels you'd have more points available to other stats if you choose a class besides herald. I made a DEX FTH build at 125 with herald but I would have been able to have the same stats with three points left over If I had chosen Knight instead.

>>166880521
Get the xanthous ashes in irithyll dungeon you fuck

Anyone on PC need a Valorheart dropped for them?

>>166878183
nobody would make it past the first hollow, i bet nobody in /dsg/ has rolled in their fuckin life, forget being in actual combat.

>>166880380
1. You are grossly overestimating us compared to the average
2. We would be lucky to be able to do the moveset of most weapons
3. We would be incredibly weak along with lacking most of this skills that the unkindled one has.

>>166880409
If you're aiming for say, a level 80/100/120 character, starting as certain classes will give you more "bang for your buck". For example, if you wanted to make a quality/faith style character, knight allows you to get the stats you want while staying at the lowest possible soul level. If you wanted to make a pure faith character, then cleric would be the best.

Basically, the way stats are allocated on starting classes can have a huge impact on your soul level if you're trying to stay at a "meta level". Herald, although seeming balanced, just doesn't have stats allocated properly to net you a good soul level vs stat return at meta levels.

https://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3
This link has a stat calculator that can help you further understand.

>>166880380
I think you'd end up with two camps of people, really. The mad cunts that figured with no permanent death that can just charge the enemy with the biggest weapon they can carry and do that until they win, and people who prefer a more cautious approach. Since we aren't limited to game movesets you could potentially just hold a spear out at arms length and run into people. That does beg another question though: Do weapons behave like ingame or real life? i.e. if I jab some beastie with a spear, will it damage them and immediately come back as if the flesh wasn't even there, or will it go in/possibly get stuck and I'll have to try and pull it free?

>>166878183
It depends on how gamey it is. Can I cast? Do the enemies obey the same reality I do?

If yes then I go herald, believe really super hard in the Gods and shield n' spear everything while healing with my miracle. The set seems like the only one I could reasonably run in while still offering protection, I would die trying to run in knight/merc/warrior armor.

Then dig up Iudex's halberd and drag it off the cliff.
Gather as much wood/grass and build a bonfire around Iudex. Fashion ropes out of dead hollow robes and wrap them around his legs, anything. Pull the sword and run.

If I can get past Iudex with fire, I figure I can white sign soapstone at no risk until I get overpowered on souls and good enough at killing. And still Vordt would probably hard stop everyone.

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>>166880380
A U T I S M

>>166878183
>tfw so much int that I one shot gundyr

Best staff for pure sorcery damage?

Best talisman for 60fai builds?

>>166880732
Thank you, anon. Forgot that one.

>>166880853
>I would die trying to run in knight/merc/warrior armor.
apparently armour is nowhere near as restrictive as games usually paint it to be. I've seen a gif a few times of a dude easily doing full DaS styles front rolls in a suit of armour.

>>166880606
>>166880673
>>166880837
Some good points in here, thanks dudes.

Unless I'm overlooking something, the Life Ring looks like the only way to go for burial gift?

>>166881468
No

>>166881468
Pretty much, it's the only one that isn't ass. Sometimes I'll go with the branch just because I like to do autistic full clears of levels on my first go around with a build, even if it's the XXth time I've gone through the game.

>>166880779
Rolling is actually pretty ineffective. All you'd have to do is move away from the attack a little.
>>166880818
1. Probably. I don't know these anons.
2. I don't think it'd be that hard, but then again, that's just me.
3. Tactics. It's primarily about tactics.

>>166880838
It'd come back fine and not get stuck.

>>166880853
It's mainly just that enemies are limited to their in-game attacks. You can cast spells.

And yes, you can drag that man's halberd away and make a rope.

>>166880937
You're damn right!

>>166881035
This makes me laugh harder than it should.

>>166881326
You're correct. Armor isn't nearly as cumbersome as it is portrayed, especially due to the fact that its weight is spread comfortably across the entire body.

>>166881671
No?

Does the Izalith Staff on a pure INT build do more damage than Sorcerer's Staff? I'm not use at all what kind of staff I should be looking for.

>>166881795
No

>>166881468
coin if you want to try to farm symbol of avarice earlier

>>166881769
>Rolling is actually pretty ineffective. All you'd have to do is move away from the attack a little.
I agree with this, rolling only makes sense because in game we have magical iframes that let us dodge a sword three times the size of us from cleaving our body in half like butter. Without iframes you'd likely be far better served learning to properly space foes and have good footwork. Imagine all the time you've tried to just walk backwards a little out of range during PvP, but without the awful phantom range making that pretty much impossible. Also with armour being actually workable and not fuckass heavy you'd almost immediately limit your risks doing to big dudes and bosses. If armour works like real life and not in game (which is yet another question) then shitty little hollows with their slashing weapons are going to do fuckall to you in a suit of full-plate or something.

>stalk players in the dungeon
>phantom has died
>phantom has died
>darmoon has died
>host has died, shackle found
those mimics and curse frogs really are mvp's of the dungeon

Are exploding bolts good?

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Why is fai so closely related to str? why not fai/dex weapons? and this has been like this since forever in these games

What started this meme?

>>166882206
Dragonslayers Spear and Swordspear?

>>166882106
Yes to everything you've said. A quick note: All it'd take is a slight head movement to dodge a thrust.

>>166882206
Garl Vinland in Demon's Souls. Then they made Paladin Leeroy and it goes on.

>>166882106
Another point to add to my last, since it just occured to me. With us not being limited to ingame movesets proper techniques might actually become incredible effective. Take Vordt, for example, he's a huge beefy dude in a massive suit of armour, BUT, we can still see his eyes glowing, which means there are holes in his helmet. With infinite time to just throw yourself at a boss over and over, you could conceivably eventually just half-sword a decently long and sturdy blade and stab that cunt through the eye/head. All that bulk doesn't matter with a sword through his head (or maybe it does, who knows, this assumes that damaging something works like real life and not ingame, where hitting someone in the head with a club will often do just as much damage as hitting them in the foot).

>>166878767
>will get ds2 soon
It's not worth it

>>166882262

They're more like quality though

I mean full dex/fai oriented stuff, like Grant, Morne's, etc for str/fai

>>166882206
Clerics with maces
Paladins
Dex weapons are already braindead to use, they don't also need to compliment regen, hyper armor, and buff builds even more.

>>166881468
well you can buy the lifering from the shrine maiden eventually

none of the starting options are really game-changing, unlike ds1's key

>>166882206
Dex is stronger than str so you need int to know not to make str builds

What you guys think will the next Miyazaki's game will be like?

>>166882364
>implying Garl was the first mace-wielding paladin

>>166882635
Shit unless it's made with publisher money/Sonybucks

>>166882647
I specifically meant for the Souls series. Also, his mace is fucking huge.

In dark souls 2, is there any reason not to use the soul vessel to fix up my stats? I put 20 in faith to get something but i forgot about it so I dont know as much as a sorcerer.

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CUM TO MEEEEE

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FUCKING WHY
WHY DOES THE ROSE OF ARIANDEL HAVE SUCH A SHIT MOVESET
WHY DID THEY MAKE HEYSEL PICK 2 WHEN THERE WAS POTENTIAL TO BE AN AMAZING WEAPON
WHY

>>166883239
the 20 faith was probably to get the sunset staff
although i'm not sure why you even wanted it if you aren't using hexes...

to answer your question: no, you typically get more soul vessels than you end up using and even if you DO want more you can just get them with ascetics

>>166883239
You get 8 soul vessels per NG (plus 3 in the DLC areas) so respec away

Is Spell Buff the only thing I worry about on staves? I have an Izalith +3 staff at 135 SB, and a Sorc Staff + 4 at 144 SB. Should I use the Sorc Staff? Sorceries only btw.

>>166883495
Yes
The only staff worth using is the court sorcerer's staff.

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>exploring AoA
>beautiful tower
>unembered
>unprepared
>walk into bossfight
>think this is pretty easy as i smack away the silly tarts shield and riposte her again
>suddenly big bad wolf shows up
>ok
>dodge dodge dodge dodge poke
finally kill her
>kicking wolfs ass too
>suddenly eyes turn red
>kills me two seconds later faster than i could blink

WEW what a screenshot

Just summoned a guy wielding a partizan for nameless king, and all the did during the first phase was hit the dragon's toes.

I'm SL 120.

Isn't there a way in Dark Souls 3 to change your Estus flask ratio? Like I have 3 normal and 1 ashen, can't I make that just 4 ashen somehow? Or am I out of my mind?

>>166883656
Talk to andre

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>>166883656
Nope, you sure can't.

>>166883656
talk to Andre

>>166883683
Oh okay I just started so that's why. Thought I did it at a bonfire. Thanks.

>>166883428
people sleep on offhand rose a lot; it can't be parried, can bleed and can rollcatch

it can be surprisingly fast because most don't expect to be clubbed to death by a whip

>>166883656
have you tried talking to andre?

>>166883428
>FromSoft had a chance to bring in a complete unique weapon
>could have been that huge bowl
>nah, here's a whip that's not actually a whip
>do you rike

Next DLC will have the Evangelist's book weapon.

Guys I need songs to play Souls to.

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>>166883365

>>166883897
here u go friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps16bWK8bWo

All right lads

Give me all the info we have on the new DLC

What's new besides what's shown on the reveal trailer?

>>166883897
Humbling River

>>166878183
Pyromancy is the answer.

>>166883897
https://soundcloud.com/neilcic/mouth-moods

>>166883975
It's going to be a massive let down so make sure you store your hopes at the bottom of a fjord.

>>166884098
It's going to be amazing.

>>166883897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAx3FnVAOWA

>>166883897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSNbbuq8AmY

Hello gentleman. Do you guys happen to have new lore I can make a vid...study?

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>no more estus
>split second before dying for the 6th time

Post new webms

>>166884341
fuck off v**ti

What is the single best level to co-op and pvp at? Avoiding metacancer too if possible

>>166884512
37

>>166884512
349.6

>>166884531
No, it's 56

>>166884512
40-70

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Ouch

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huehuehuehuehue

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I'm doing a luck/quality build and I just got a flamberge. Should I infuse a hollow or a bleed gem into it?

>>166885236
Hollow gem. Bleed infusion is completely worthless.

>>166875129
>somehow getting damaged by that lingering hitbox at the end
now I remember why I only played ADP souls twice

>>166885313

I'm pretty sure that's because the flame on the sword tagged him. There's no way that Fume Knight's attacks would do so little damage.

>tfw can't be indicted in ds3

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>>166883567
I did it, such a beautiful place to house such a cunt and her fucking hellhound.

>>166885742

Maybe it's because I was SL80 when I did the DLC, but I had no issue with that fight.

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Hey /dsg/ give me a stupid fucking build to play through the game again.

Bonus: Tell me how I should make the character look.

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>Katana Weapon ARt Parry still works even without meter

I'm sure I'm the last to find out about that but it's still pretty cool.

Does it have less parry frames or something when you have no mana or is it literally just a free Weapon Art?

Okay so I started DS3 as a Knight with the intention of getting into faith magic (was talking to a couple of you earlier), but what should my early level gain priorities be in this one? DS1 was Endurance, DS2 was Adaptability, what's the must-level stat for me here?

>>166885837
Plenty of weapon arts function to some degree even without any FP left, usually they're just weaker.

>>166885837

It gets less parry frames by about half. The frames start so fast though it's still useful if you have good timing.

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>>166884375

>>166885959

Well I mean it still parries. You can't really cut the effectiveness of a parry unless you do something like reduce the frames.

>>166886008

I figured as much. Still cool though, and I like it without all the dramatic sound and white blur; makes it feel faster.

This invader on PS4 thought he was slick. He was a twink at the catacombs it seems, and he invaded me. I opened the boss door and went in, and seeded the world to fuck with him. Eventually we wait at the the door on opposite sides to wait it out. I rolled through and hit a summon, and the dude was ready to hit my summon immediately. Didn't give him that pleasure by activating the goblet immediately. What a great feeling it is to fuck with invaders.

>>166884375
Goddamn, such a beautiful boss. A shame it's ruined by generic NPC and absolutely no HP.

>>166885826
Do you want stupid in the silly but viable way or stupid in the "le torch & shield bash only run!!!" way?

>>166885826
>99STR
>1INT
NOW YOURE MAKING FELICIA THE FUCKIN BRAVE

>>166886084
Good job anon. His fault for not just black crystalling out.

>>166884375
Literally git gud, boss is easy as fuck

>>166885898
Anyone?

fight club?

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post 'em

>>166885898

Die quickly? Vigor. Run out of stamina? Endurance? Doing fine? Strength/DEX or Faith. Honestly, outside of some Healing miracles, you don't get the fun shit until the later parts of the game. Regular old Lightning Spear is on Demon Bridge.

>>166886249
754

>>166886196
this.. di d it in ng +¨7 with a murakumo

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>>166886217

I don't even think people play at this hour. I'll host at High Wall anyways for a bit. Pass is dsg.

>>166886263
Thanks man. If I'm going for quality, should I do the Str and Dex about equally or is there one I should raise before the other? I don't know the weapons in this one.

>>166884375
>using fireball instead of Chaos bed vestige
Is that a fucking simple uchigatana?

>>166886561

Equally. Unless you really want to wield a weapon that has a much higher requirement than the other sooner.

>>166875496
120
>muh 125
>t. Lucifer
Everyone who's 125 is identical to your average 120 build, only with 5 extra vig. You ask someone to post a 125 build, they'll have 44 vig, I can almost guarantee it. I've got one 125 build, but I use a cosmetic ring which would be replaced with a +5 SL ring were it only 120.

The first 27 levels of vig give huge amounts of health, so around the lower levels raw weapons and vig dumping are the meta. Regen is good since it's a flat amount that doesn't scale. Imagine drinking an estus flask vs drinking an estus flask on a character that had half health but also took half damage. The flask feels twice as large. Though usually people don't use regen until you get to the slightly higher levels, since real low level characters are just twink invaders with estus flasks that top them off either way and generally have enough of an advantage to not worry about dying to their opponents anyway.

The rewards from leveling Str/Dex are better than the later levels of vig, so people level those up next, causing the meta to be focused on quick kills. If you actually do the math, high-vig-low-offense builds typically lose trades with low-vig-high-offense builds (in proportion to their healthbars). Instakilling is also the best way to deal with the aforementioned regeneration, which actually becomes a big deal in no-estus duels.

Higher levels escape this by letting you hit the point where continued offense investment becomes less worthwhile, thus making vig worth it. Regen is also less busted when your healthbar is proportionally larger.

>>166875757
>Most common level range is 120 in dks 3 because the community has been invaded by the same retards who enjoyed dks 2, who think builds have more variety when you softcap 4 of your 9 attributes.
What? People softcapped vig end and str/dex in DS1 too, 125 was the meta there.

>>166886102
Either works.

>>166886561
What I did was get enough faith and attunement to use ToD, then I got VIG to 20, then STR to 40, then DEX to 20, then I wiggled my dick around, get END to 40, VIG to 50, and then I got 79 VIT cuz I just don't give a fuck.

>>166884512
>best level for pvp
15 with a +0 darkhand

>>166885898
Level vig to 27, the first 27 levels are pretty big. Endurance levels get a little larger as you go, 26 is the first to give you three points worth of stamina. Don't worry about putting offense stats past their bare minimum requirements until you've got around that much of those stats.

Vitality is only worth it on specific builds, it's not a general stat like you'd expect it to be.

>>166886819
>15
16 can invade equally far down

>>166885837
all parries cost 0 fp anon
same for farron GS, or parry dagger, or offhand curved sword...

>>166886096
What was with that boss anyways? I figured it was a placeholder for a player summon.

>>166885826
>stupid build
do a whips only run in pre-patch DS2

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/5hi2ry/the_origin_of_the_farron_followers_and_the/

Dark Souls 1 fanservice boss that was too vague even for ptde babs.

>>166887007
>>166887150
Meant to quote.

>>166887007
Appearance-wise it's almost certainly a silly reference to chainmom, a PvP build from 1 that was popular with japanese players.
I had a suspicion about that as well, it originally being intended as an Old Monk-style fight would have made sense.

What's up with the transparent walkers in Irithyll? I initially thought it was going to be like a Dark Anor Londo type of deal but nope?

Is the halberd in DS3 as based as it was in DS1?

>>166887332
I think people usually assume it be showing Dancer and possibly Vordt leaving irithyll.

>>166887573
the red hilted halberd sure is

>>166887648
What about the basic one that the bitch at Firelink sells?

>>166887332
>transparent walkers
There's two different ones, you just see them several times over. One is Vordt, the other is Dancer.

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My Cersei

>>166887717
Looks awfully boyish for Cersei. But in fairness to you I've never tried fine-tuning facial features in any of these games.

>>166887693
it works
you can get the red hilted pretty early, and the lucern is also really early in the game

>>166887717
His face is a little crooked

>>166887821
Awesome, I am a fan of that weapon group in general.

>>166887262
>popular with japanese players
explains why I never heard of it.

>>166887150
>wears chainmail, must be the crestfallen
It's just a reference to DS1's poise meta, that's the only explanation which takes the loincloth into account. There's no reason for the crestfallen to be running around pantsless shooting soul arrows at you.

>>166888159
Soul Arrow was not a part of any DS1 meta.

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>>166887790
Show Cersei has a pronounced jawline so that's why it looks somewhat boyish. I'll clean her up tomorrow I do agree that she looks a bit boyish.

Any suggestions from you guys? How do I keep her strong jaw yet make her look feminine?

>>166888390
still ds1 reference. he even has a leather gloves from leather set.

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I'm fucking stumped as to how the Black Knight armor looks so bad in DS3. I think it's too bulky, in addition to that fucking neck thing that hasn't been patched yet.

>>166888456
>Cersei
>feminine
You don't

>>166888489
I'm fairly certain the black knight armor in DaS1 actually makes your whole character model more slim, not just the head area.

This was changed for some reason in DaS3 (Probably because they clearly put fuck-all polish into armor). Weird thing is that silver knight armor still sort of appears to do this to your character model in DaS3 though.

how good are lance charges at inflicting statuses in DS3?

i have fond memories of the sanctum "mace" getting instant poison procs with poison resin + charge attack
can you do something like that with rouge, luck build, and a pike, or do you really need a weapon that has some baseline bleed damage

what about the twinspears? do they get twice as many hits in their charge art?

Life as a caster in PVE sure is fucking rough.

>can't reasonably aim spells likes you could in DaS2.
>lockon fucks you all the time

Just kill me dawgs.

>SL100 requires you to make legitimate choices
>SL120 lets you hit the softcap on most of your stats for most builds

So... should I stay at SL100? Or am I going to run into people at SL120 anyway and I'm just gimping myself?

>>166888976
Ya bro, you should've stopped at 80

Oh hey what's the deal with equip load and rolling in DS3? In DS1 it was 0-25%, 25-50%, and then anything above that you were fatrolling. I think in DS2 you're good if you're under 70% if I remember right? What's the golden rule in 3?

>>166889014

Maybe I will for a different build then.

>>166889102
Stay under 70% to not fatroll, the lower your equipload the greater the length of space your roll covers.

>>166889102

Under 70%.

>>166889102
in ds2 you got the same iframes for all rolls but it still traveled farther (and you got faster stamina regen) the lower your equip load was

in ds3:
0-30 fastroll
30-70 medroll
70-100 fatroll
>100 noroll

unlike ds2 it doesn't affect stamina regen unless you're in fatroll territory

>>166889197
>>166889212
Hm, I may need to raise Vitality a bit then. My starting knight armor was fine but the halberd I just bought put me a little over.

What features that were exclusive for the des/das/das2 you want to see in the next souls game?

>>166889628
Slow combat.

>>166889628
poise

>>166889628
fun would be nice

>>166889628
SANCTUM MACE

>>166889628
A nuke dropped on the entirety of europe for struggling to have something as simple as working internet.

>>166888663
No, that's just a Very Slim character.

>>166889628
DeS: Character/World Tendency. Not in their original form, because it was handled extremely poorly, but Tendency has a lot you can do with it.

DaS: Getting the warp item later in the game so you're actually forced to use shortcuts and explore the world.

DaS2: ERRYTHING'S VIABLE, BEAT THAT ASS WITH A LADLE

>>166889628
Memes.

>>166889628
Giantdad

>>166890228
>>166890293

>>166889628
Gravelording.

One thing I miss about Dark Souls 2 Co-Op is the drops you'd get as a phantom as incentive

>>166890214
>make a build with a +10 mundane ladle on the IK bridge
>whenever you pull the ladle out the other guy thinks it's a joke weapon and pulls his own shitty ladle out
>hit for like 250 damage while he can only do ~20

even without the magical power to convince enemies to pull out joke weapons, the power of robflynnstonering still lets you beat some people to death
especially pure-magic builds

>>166890530
Aren't they just lifegems outside of the DLC challenge zones?

>>166890569
co-oping gave you smooth and silky stones, which you could trade for loot with the ds2 tradey bird

>>166890530
I liked the small soap stones. You could drop them along your own playthrough and help someone to refresh your own gear.

>>166890632
I miss the smooth and silky stones from DaS2. Co-oping used to be legit helpful and had more to it than just souls or a sunlight medal.

>go to play ds2
>no one plays online
>never get summoned
>no signs that aren't NPCs
>never get invasions
>never find world to invade
Soul memory was the worst thing to happen in a Souls game.

>>166890836
Are you playing vanilla or SotFS? Soul memory has nothing to do with those, I get summons and invasions all the time in SotFS.

>>166890836
they even admitted that by adding in the ring that caps SM, but they didn't do it until the new version came out. splitting up the community between two versions also fucked ds2

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So, what do you guys expect from Miyazaki's next Souls game?

>>166890836
Strange, I got invaded and saw players summon signs during my last week playthrough
Memes aside, ps4 version has more active online than bloodborne

>>166890913
>3 hit boss
were there any puzzle bosses in ds2?

>>166890836
Good riddance. I'm not saying ds3 is the best, but stuff like no orb and soul memory were unforgivable. Not to mention they made you buy that shit twice.

>>166890913
It isn't plume, it's actually his hair

>>166890913
has anyone fought the dragon in a normal way here?

i was kind of disappointment in the 1 hit kill thing. I figured maybe you'd weaken it enough to fight it normally. was sort of fun to be clearing a level with a boss there but still.

>>166890913
I don't want any more souls games unless they'll finally abandon every little bit of the lore and do something entirely new, particularly if it's still using the western medieval aesthetics.

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Are any of the hammer weapons good? Or are they all hampered by their shit weapon arts?

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>>166891034
>tfw I bought thrice. First vanilla with all DLCs (when SoTFS was out for nearly a year already, I was oblivious about it at the time) and then SoTFS for me and my friend. He went off for a month and doesn't feel like playing souls anymore.

>>166891178
same happened to me actually

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>>166890913
What about fighting Ornstein for real this time?

>>166891013
It didn't have any. Instead there was a handful of weak mob fights and a boss that felt like a puzzle boss that was fought normally.

>>166891013
Yes.
"One of these things is not like the other" counts as a puzzle for the rat boss.

The next puzzle is figuring out why they thought a rat with a mohawk warranted his own boss fight.

>>166891013
Executioner's Chariot, theoretically. Royal Rat Vanguard maybe.

>>166889706
What's the deal with poise in DS3? I see it on my stat screen but I've been told it isn't the same?

>>166891371
You know how poise prevents you from getting staggered by attacks in previous games? Well, they killed that in DaS3, all it does is give you stagger resistance during hyper-armor frames, so if you get attacked while not swinging your weapon, you will get staggered even if you're wearing full Havel's.

>>166891371
High poise means the time it takes for you to recover from a stagger after being hit is much shorter. Plus there's hyperarmor when swinging some weapons, but I don't know if that's still poise related or weapon related.

>>166890890
SotFS
No activity for me
>>166890895
That ring appears too late to fix anything
That ring is just a giant middle finger
>>166890968
I'm on ps4,
No activity and the rest of the game isn't good enough to make up for the lack of online.
>>166891034
>they made 2 bad so 3 would seem better by comparison
I bet this happened

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Hey guys Im starting on Dark Souls 2, I was trying to read the pastebin but

>DARK SOULS
>http://pastebin.com/eNY3su63

>King's field is the series that

What?

Anyway, what are stat caps if I want to do a pve Str/Faith character?

>>166891178
I played vanilla and didn't get SoTFS until it was on sell for 15$. I only got it to see if it was more alive than vanilla but made the mistake of waiting around for an hour so I couldn't refund it.

I really should reinstall it to play the dlcs finally but it looks like ass and I really don't wanna play the shitty base game again just to get to it.

>>166891371
DS1 poise was a huge number that generally let you take multiple hits before staggering

ds2/3 poise usually lets you tank through maaaybe one attack, and often only if you have hyperarmor from a greatweapon

>>166891173
They're great, but vulnerable to being kited by the opponent. Warpick is really good, the WA is actually very useful since it gets your poise to 100% health every time you use it.

Mace is also decent if you don't want a Leo Ring build, Perseverance has its uses.

>>166891220
Yeah, that sucks. SoTFS' rotting in my library.

>>166891481
>SotFS
>No activity for me
I would have said maybe you're softbanned, but you're playing on PS4.

>>166891497
the softcaps are 40 for both IIRC

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>>166891139
Does this count?

>>166891504
I played through two of the DLCs, but only one completely. I don't know why. It's the only souls game I couldn't complete fully. Just wasn't fun enough.

>>166891542
I tried my old character who has a fuckload of soul memory and got nothing, made a new character and went to forest of butthole faced tree monsters and still got nothing.
Also fuck that ring I shouldn't need a ring slot to fix the fucking online.

>>166891634
>eat lightening
neat

>>166891497
60

>>166891634
>he actually ate the lightining bolt

badass

This boss had so much potential

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>>166891584
>>166891695
>60
>40
I see, ty.

Also what I do with the other misc. stats like end/vit/vgr/adp?
I played DS1 several years ago, then recently Bloodborne and know I feel a little lost because this is really different to Bloodborne and DS1.

Also
>went to get the Heide's Sword
>Knight is not there

What? How I get that shit on SOTSF?

Quality vs Hollow Quality in ds3?

>>166891680
>made a new character and went to forest of butthole faced tree monsters and still got nothing.
Is your character at a minimum of 30k soul memory? Is the human effigy bonfire buff on?

>>166891846
There are more knights later, they drop it then. First run through of the game myself, sword's pretty good desu.

after burning the windmill in earthen peak I heard a sound like an illusionary wall was activated. is this natural or did something else happen to cause that sound?

>>166891846
adp should go to 20ish. this is the stat that affects how many iframes your roll has (in DS2 it's totally unrelated to equipload).
the "agility" substat should be 95, 99, or 105, since those are all breakpoints where you get +1 iframe

in sotfs the only way to get the heide sword is to farm the knights in tower of flame
except instead of a guaranteed drop it's an extremely rare one

at least it's not like the painted guardian set which is only available as a rare drop from a NON-RESPAWNING red phantom

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Why does everyone say that picril is this Demon Prince who fought Lorian?

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>>166892003
>There are more knights later, they drop it then.

They do?
Im at Heide's Tower and I have killed so many white knights and giants knights that they stopped appearing at all.
I only got the Heide's Helm and a giant ass sword from the big guys

>>166892131
Because people are desperate for lore when the first DLC didn't deliver, even though the second DLC will still not deliver.

>>166892165
if you really want to farm a specific enemy for drops, join the covenant of champions
it undisappears enemies that would normally be gone because you killed them 12 or 15 or whatever times in addition to its other effects of nocoop and making all enemies slightly stronger

>>166891963
>minimum soul memory
>needing an item for online play
Fuck off this game is shit I'm sticking to 1, 3, and Bloodborne

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Today I got 10 Proof of a Concord Kept only through summons, no farming at all. Refreshing the covenant really helps get you summoned faster, it's not a myth.

>>166891139
yes
it goes down very easily with a lightning greatsword
but the hitboxes are just fucking unbelievable far worse than anything in das2 or even MHFU

>>166892165
Oh, well, I got in near the beginning of that area. Got the sword and the pants, but nothing else. Got a bunch of shit from the big guys though.

>>166892236
>refreshing the covenant

PLEASE EXPLAIN

>>166892232
you don't need the item for online play

you GET a buff from killing a boss that prevents all invasions (and as a side effect co-op) for the next 30 minutes you spend in that one area

so if you kill the last giant then you won't be able to invade/co-op in fofg UNTIL you go to a bonfire and pick "cancel human effigy effect" (it's the same effect as you get for burning an effigy in a bonfire)

>>166892165
Champion's Covenant lolz

>>166892232
It's not minimum soul memory, it's the minimum soul memory to equip the agape ring, so people tend to twink invasion at this point. You also get the largest connection range for small soapstone and regular soapstone at 30k for the beginning of the game. Also, the Agape Ring alone won't give you more connections, it only allows twinking, but the connection ranges are large enough that it shouldn't matter for a new character going through a new game. You fucking retard, why do I have to explain all of this to you when you could just wiki it, holy shit.

>>166892236
What a fucking joke that they won't patch that horribly designed matchmaking system.

>>166892327
Removing the Covenant thingie and putting it on again every so often.

Could still have been a coincidence though

>>166892398
30k isn't the min to equip, just the min before the NPC starts selling it

i think you can get lower if you cheat the item in

>>166892459
>i think you can get lower if you cheat the item in

That's one of the easiest ways to get yourself softbanned

>>166892229
>>166892325
>>166892398
>>166892120
Okay got it, thanks anons.

>>166892236
What's refreshing? How?

>>166892442
I WILL TRY IT ANYWAYS

>>166892413
It designed fine
People who are wants to play with phantoms are higher on the list to be invaded
Both invaders and host want to play with more people and both are getting exactly that they want

>>166892365
Well that buff isn't on I've been trying to do coop and gave up.
Tested invasions, nothing.
It's shit.
>>166892398
None of that matters if I'm not getting online activity from the start you fucking nog

>>166892725
I'm talking about the way the que stack for stuff like blues work, not the high tendency towards summoned phantoms thing.

>>166892763
Well, that's just your internet I guess. You're placing the blame on the wrong things.

>>166885313
Same, here. I think I completed vanilla once and SotFS once. I only got SotFS because I found it on sale for cheap, and people here kept claiming it was good and fixed all the issues with the original, which just isn't true.It's actually worse than the original in a lot of ways, and that is tough to do.

>>166892173
Honestly if he was demon prince I wouldn't give a shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koCCL5yQSNE

Look at this
Look at how much the invader has to do to win, how much skill he needs

Imagine how much worse invaders will be nerfed in the next game, if there even will be invaders

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Is quickstep a good weaponart?

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raw ass invasions are so fun

>>166892939
>ds3 and Bloodborne work fine
>"It's your internet"
Stop defending the worst game in the series

>>166893078
FFS I'm softbanned on PC and even I get a few summon signs and invasions from time to time through my runs without agaping, and I can tell because I have a family sharing account and the difference is huge, so something must be obviously fucking wrong here and that's not the game's systems.

>>166893005
Watched first 2 minutes
>r1 spam
>skill
But seriously, japs are terrible in this video
I myself not very good at pvp, but they all just plainly terrible

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>>166893170
Well whatever it it's not worth the effort required for fixing that's for damn sure.
And I know it isn't my internet.

>>166893271
Who are you to talk when you haven't even 1v4 in an invasion.

>>166886249
82!

>>166893006
i've heard you can combine it with Iron Flesh for maximum meme

>>166893005
>tries to fish for backstab
>misses
>r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 with onehanded greatsword
>so laggy that half of his opponents don't even play animations during ripostes
At last I truly see, this is the "skilled high level pvp" 120s drone on about.