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>list of good comm. servers
http://pastebin.com/paW0DAG4

>Tips and guides
Blog: tf2.com
Wiki: wiki.tf
Class guides: pastebin.com/u/TheOperator
FAQ: http://pastebin.com/6t7WNtgn
Mods: pastebin.com/bzzUK5tz
Steam status: steamstat.us steamgaug.es
Preview Loadout: whatsnext.loadout.tf steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/158547475
HUDs: huds.tf
Game Traffic: steamcharts.com/app/440#1y

>Trading
Sites: scrap.tf tf2outpost.com backpack.tf bazaar.tf
BP check: backpack.tf
Prices: backpack.tf trade.tf
Scrapbanking: scrap.tf scrapbank.me
Skins: p337.info/tfview/

>Competitive
Basics: playcomp.tf
Comp Wiki: comp.tf
Lobbies: tf2center.com/lobbies
Scripting: pastebin.com/1VmngMfJ pastebin.com/H3WfKLaB
TF2 streams: teamfortress.tv
UGC (Global): ugcleague.com
ESEA (NA/EU): play.esea.net
ETF2L (EU): etf2l.org
AusFortress (AUS): ozfortress.com
AsiaFortress (Asia): asiafortress.com
FBTF (Brazil): teamfortress.com.br/forum/

>IRC
irc://irc.rizon.net/tf2g
pastebin.com/9S37Kk0W

>/tf2g/s looking to party queue
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15-e-Sut2sj954Cjm8aGzXMaN4dSSop7xgiyp9DCdOK8/edit?usp=sharing
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pryo update leaked

http://pastebin.com/BQeBaTii
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>>166235281
>Finally removing the saloon.tf
jud gob
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>try to play 2fort
>all these furry faggots on open mics
>every other map is for idle cucks or is full of try-hards
Yep it's time quit
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post yfw you dominate THAT GUY
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>>166235514
why would you ever play ctf
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>>166235376
How
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>>166235641
for fun
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>>166235376
Prove this is a leak and not just someone who spent a lot of time typing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTXFEjRJnlE&feature=youtu.be#t=1h1m05s


PYRO UPDATE LEAKED FOR REAL, THE VIDEO VALVE DOESNT WANT YOU TO SEE
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>>166236006
are you dumb
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>>166236006
its real
trust me im valve
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>>166236064
dont watch it embedded jiggers, go to the timestamp
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>>166236064
why not
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>>166236154
wow it's valve
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https://www.twitch.tv esportsarena
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>>166232150
post proofs
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>all these publord shitters wanting to make afterburn worse than it already is
Why does valve listen to suggestions from the "casual" audience again?
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>>166237229
seems to make more sense than b4nny
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>>166236528
but why would you care
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>>166237403
because the crit-a-cola is an asshole weapon
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>Listening to some of the comp mode voice responses

Jesus christ. Some of the voice actors did not age well. Heavy and Demo barely sound like themselves.
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>>166237659
Pretty much all of the "comp" voice responses are bad, especially the shit like "who's roamer"
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>>166237659
Soldier has throat cancer.
Engineer dude is out of the va business if I remember correctly.
Demo and Heavy are voiced by old man whosevoice is bound to change over ten years.
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>>166237797
i thought they were all fine except the ones that break the fourth wall.
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>>166237659
Dude, it's been ten years. Ten years of voice acting does not lend to the health of the vocal chords
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I think this team needs five more snipers - long shot man
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>>166238127
Scout, spy and sniper still sound good.
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>>166235376
>AIRBLAST DASHES:
Airblasting while airborne will perform an 'Airblast Dash'. This can only be performed once per jump, reset when the Pyro touches the world again.
This knockback is roughly as powerful as the FaN knockback. The Airblast Dash maintains your horizontal (x,z) momentum and propels you upwards, so it can't be used to gain very much speed, but it will let the Pyro reach higher ground with ease.

This need to be fake.
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>>166238426
We finally have the air blast double jump.
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>>166238426
Of course it's fake you retard they were making a joke.

Pyro definitely needs mobility though, if they implement air blast jumps like they were in that video though that'd be swell
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>>166237797
Reckon they intended for all the comp responses to play in casual? It's weird hearing them talk about scrims in a pub.

Also Engie has the best lines.

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/f/fc/Cm_engie_pregamefirst_rare_03.mp3?t=20160710094610
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>>166238710
I don't think they even bothered to separate them at all, going off of when mym released they might as well have been the same thing.

Yea, a lot of engi's lines are ok.
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what the fuck is this music

>believe me, if I started murdering people, there'd be none of ya left

what's next, naruto vs. sasuke AMV?
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>>166238229
Don't know the va's for spy and sniper, but Nathan's in his 30s[citation needed], he's still really young
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How long will the stream go on?
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new thread new raffles
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I mean, he's got a point
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>>166242317
what the hell is that hat
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>Starkie drops the med
>As spy
>In a LAN comp match
He does not give A SINGLE fuck
>>166240617
http://tf2r.com/k6cn1yv.html
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remember when you picked up dropped weps for ammo
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Hey guy, now that Overwatch isn't popular anymore, will you guys accept me into tf2 again?
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>Se7eN sniper finally drops the med after 15 minutes of 0-0, a full 100% advantage

>do nothing but stay in mid for 5 minutes

y tho
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>>166243484
EU GIMMICKS
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>>166243348
He's usually pretty obnoxious but the tweet about "I actually want to make a tf2 video but all of the entitled fans are being mean" was prime retard.

At least the game is very slowly getting better.
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Why did b4nny stop playing demo again? he was known as the best years ago, did he lose his aim?
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>>166243102
the good ole days
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clips dot twitch dot tv/esportsarena/ExcitedDolphinNoNoSpot
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>>166244171
>Excited Dolphin
>NoNoSpot

UMMM
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>>166244171
more like uncle dab
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>>166244269
oh fug I didnt notice that
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>JT takes the first match
>Go make a sandwich
>Get back and froyo won two rounds
That was fast
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Let's make a class tier list:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfZNOKRP_lhXMwu7Qs64madyadt38fvI7G9-x8A5_YduR-Zig/viewform
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>>166245613
basing this image off a 20 person team is the biggest mistake
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>>166245613
who the fuck made this
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>>166245613
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>>166245873
this is also bad
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GAMOMAN - bullet sponge
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Is froyo sandbagging like crazy or are they simply too good?
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>>166243950
He is extremely unintelligent.
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>>166247350
He's Australian, there's no need to be redundant.
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https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfZNOKRP_lhXMwu7Qs64madyadt38fvI7G9-x8A5_YduR-Zig/viewform
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>>166247396
Stop it
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>>166235376
>http://pastebin.com/BQeBaTii
>DEGREASER:
>Airblasting enemies inflicts Level 1 Afterburn
i hope this is fucking real, it would make the axtinguisher good again but not overpowered since you would have a much smaller window compared to now. this looks cool
>detonator no longer allows detonator hopping
i hope this airblast jump thing is useful. it would at least let me use different flare guns if i want to actually have fun
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>>166245873
fixed
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>>166248257
>detonator no longer allows detonator hopping
How? What would make it impossible?
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please take the scout in ubers pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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so is pyro officially viable now?
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how do logs calculate scattergun accuracy on scout
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>>166250172
How many pellets hit
Was that a real question?
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why did se7en just give up like that
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>>166250573
(You)
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>>166235376
Valve couldn't come up with anything this complex.

Shit's fake bro.
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>>166236064
THIS LITERALLY FIXES EVERYTHING. SAY IT WITH ME, THANK YOU VALVE
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>>166250573
>se7en: I was only pretending to be retarded
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>>166251645
>THIS LITERALLY FIXES EVERYTHING
I mean, it does, but none of that is actually implemented in the game.

Why are you thanking them for something they haven't (and won't) do?
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>>166248536
take for example you go into a server and enable buddha mode. you wont be able to die but you can take damage. you will be able to flare jump, until you reach too low of health. this is because the way knockback works for weapons like that is based on damage you take. so the only reason detonator lets you flare jump is because you take +50% damage to self. that paste removed that so if that were real it wouldn't work any longer
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>>166252394
but why do the rocket jumper and sticky jumper still work if they dont deal any damage?
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>>166252394
Or just change the self push force to make it like it was in the fucking beta
Besides, you're somewhat wrong. Damage resistance gained from outside sources DOES reduce explosive jumps' distance, but the innate resistance classes like soldier and demo have doesn't. The change would grant the pyro that same innate resilience
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>>166245613
>20 player team
The fuck?
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>>166252639
>>166252660
nigger i don't know everything about anything or shit i just tried detonator jumping in a private server and it just didn't work at low health so assumed it would be removed
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what a fucking dum dum
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shut the fuck up
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i love you
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>>166252804
>i don't know everything about anything
You're talking to people with thousands of hours who regularly get into arguments over gameplay mechanics 90% of the playerbase isn't aware of. Maybe next time check something, even just the wiki is enough
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>>166253103
im not wrong though, you can try it for yourself, ive said nothing incorrect so kill yourself
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>>166253214
> this is because the way knockback works for weapons like that is based on damage you take.

did you pull this out of your ass
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>>166253319
>weapons like that
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>think the 6 hour powerhouse is just a meme
>decide to check it out myself
>mfw the round goes on for 2 fucking hours
>back and forth and back and forth forever
>nobody can get past all the sentries, ubers either get airblasted away or dropped because of spies
>finally win because somebody decided to use the battalion's backup when we pushed last
Everybody on the team started hooting and hollering when it was over.
Never again
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>>166253214
Dude
The buddha command makes all damage ignore your hitbox when you're at 1hp
Even with the jumpers you wouldn't be able to hit yourself
Next time use addcond 5
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>>166253458
>play hydro
>its consistently longer than powerhouse or landfall every single time
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>>166253645
CTFs are an outlier in stalematey-ness
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>>166253458
I can't decide if powerhouse is a really well-designed map or a really poorly-designed map.
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>>166254176
generally you want to design maps to avoid stalemates
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>>166253645
how
how
every hydro match ive played in the mym era the rounds end in 2 minutes, no one knows how to defend on hydro, and the newborn engineers dont know where to setup cause the lasts are wide open
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>>166254176
its shit
games are supposed to have an end
what use is a game if you cant win it
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>>166253458
>Queue up for 5CP
>Finish match
>Valve's expert MM system doesn't fill the empty slots
>TEAM VOTES FOR FUCKING 2FORT
>get in
>6v6
>this goes on for an hour
>eventually each team gets exactly one flag
>No timer because VALVE is the BEST at making decisions
>Eventually it gets down to a 3v3
>somehow he pull off a 3-1 flag cap
>It has been 2 hours
That was the WORST game of TF I've played since skial
>>166254406
>>166254176
On one hand stalemates are terrible on the other fuck they're balanced so well literally mirrors
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>>166254570
Most 5cp maps are mirrors and they aren't stalematey
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>>166247396
damn, where are country flags when you need them?
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>>166254570
stalemate =/= balance
it just means its too easy to defend or too hard to attack
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The best parts of the multi hour powerhouse experience are the bonds you make with your teammates
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>You can enlarge your FoV past 90 ingame
>The command is locked behind sv_cheats
Valve are faggots, i want my 110 fov back
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shitter "gg ez"
shitter "ez pz"

expected, but this time the shitter was a 0 score on the LOSING team. He brags when he loses too. The esoteric mind of the CoD kid is undechipherable
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>>166255035
>needing it past 90
stop kidding yourself
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>>166255162
Clearly what he said upset you, so he accomplished what he set out to do.
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So for the medic players what's your favorite medigun, I use kritz on defense of certain maps, vaccinator pretty much everywhere else because I play with a friend who can work with it.
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>>166255471
Stock and sometimes the Quick Fix
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>>166255203
why is such a feature even blocked behind something like this
whats the fucking reason
its as if they put resolution adjustments behind sv_cheats

theres just no fucking reason for them to do it

100 fov is the standard for fps nowadays, valve needs to get on with the times
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>>166255534

I use the quick-fix on very rare occasions to dick around with mirror jumps, but other then that not much. I can't remember the last time I actually used stock for an extended period of time.
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>>166255596
>100 fov is the standard for fps nowadays
[Citation Needed]
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can someone give me a good server scanner
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>>166255203
I played with 130 in serious sam the other day, and after almost a decade of 90 i felt sick. I don't know how i used to play like that, but 110 was a nice compromise
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>>166255637
literally every single pc videogame allows you to adjust beyond 90

for competitive it is really important to see whats going on around you

i see literally no fucking reason to lock this feature and put it on par with cheats
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>>166255697
>2017
>server scanner
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>>166255697
server scanners died after valve made all backpacks private by default
Rip Endgame.tf
>>166255637
Even fucking battlefield can go up to like 110
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>>166255902
>>166256029
>>166256093
did I say what game allows? I was asking for proof that 100 is standard
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>>166256140
nigga no one is gonna write scientific papers on what fov should be the standard
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>>166256269
then fuck off
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>>166256269
so you have no argument got it and are just talking out of your smelly arse
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>>166256319
who are you to tell me to fuck off
im gonna stay here and shitpost all day if i want
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>>166255309
not upset, i just dont get the mindset.

You brag when you win
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Ok so I got a haunted plutonidome which I know isn't worth a whole lot by itself
but its level 100
what do you think i can jew someone out of for it?
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>>166257636
backpack.tf
tf2outpost.com
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>>166257636
Just slap a trade on autpost with the most disgusting wall of text about how this is a 1 of 1 hat due to the AMAZING level and how THEMED it is, you obviously don't have to explain it because only retards don't get it, and ask for 250% it's base price
Be sure to use every fucking shade of yellow/pink/red/green and to keep it bumped 24/7
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>>166256140
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZUao2jTGA
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>>166256269
"all games hae FOV above 90!!!"
name one
"e-e-errr no im too cool to have to tell you one"

just get the fuck out of here
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>>166239845
>st. peterburg police
>nigger on the pic
what the fuck is this picture
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>>166258139
>"all games hae FOV above 90!!!"
>name one
i cant believe this isnt bait
i dont even have to name one
just look at any single fps that was made this or past year and its lets you set fov beyond 90

and you still havent made your point as to why it should be locked behind sv_cheats 1 other than "loll prove it !!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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>>166258264
Standard FL retardation.
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>>166254418
because even if you win every single match that is 5 rounds, and thats assuming the other team absolutely doesn't defend at all. if the other side wins even once it is 7 rounds with two additional rounds every time the other team wins. if you ever play a balanced game it is a nightmare
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>>166235376
Fuck off autistic Redditor.
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>>166258438
name one (1)
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https://scrap.tf/raffles/2VVPA2
get my garbage before pubbies eat it up
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>>166263558
>scraptf raffle
uhh
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>>166263674
the bot does the work for me
I don't have to interact with a human, and neither do you.
We both win
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>>166263775
you're loss mate im a great guy
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>>166235376
>even makes the axe more than just a worse third degree by making damage scale for third degree
fake as fuck
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>>166263454
quake
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>>166264808
not him but every quake i have played, quake 1, 2, 3, live all start with 90 fov. unless you are arguing 90 being the max of course but now that ive reread what hes saying i think he means they all start at 90
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is this a cute engie
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>>166264970
fallout 3/NV/4
skyrim
bioshock infinite
doom
dirty bomb
overwatch
paladins
call of duty

everything

it all has above 90 fov

and the thing is, tf2 can also have above 90, and im not seeing a single justifiable reason other than console losers who complain their heads spin
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>MAD MILK:
>On hit enemy: Blocks 66% of incoming healing for up to 8 seconds
>On hit ally: Increases incoming healing by 66% for up to 8 seconds
>On hit self: Increases incoming healing by 20% for up to 8 seconds

I WAS FINE UNTIL THERE
FUCK YOU NIGGA DON'T MESS WITH MY MILK
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>>166266841
yea most of those changes actually sense

and then the mad milk is now the biotic grenade, for some reason
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>>166266841
Meant to reply to
>>166235376
haha I should not be shitposting at 5 AM
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>>166266839
it allows more than 90, that doesn't make it a standard. all of those games start anywhere between 75 to 90 and most likely 90 by default. this is a standard.
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>>166266874
the whole point i guess would be to make it every other class doesnt have a way to immediately extinguish flames actually making them a threat. its better though since it would be used to buff teammates too
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ITS REEL NIGGA HOURS 100 100 100
WHO TF UP???
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>>166267852
Heck
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>>166267346
i never said anything about standards
im not even talking about standards
i just want to play tf2 with 100 fov
whats the big fucking deal
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>>166267852
staind with nirvanas head blood
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>>166267852
lol
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>>166268014
>100 fov is the standard for fps nowadays, valve needs to get on with the times
>>I was asking for proof that 100 is standard
i don't disagree with you, i don't even think higher fov gives a big advantage its more about comfort for me, see
>>166258074
but nigger thats not what a standard is frick you
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>>166267852
:ok_hand_sign:
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>>166267852
haha funny peepee
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>>166268180
DAYM THESE MF MEMES BE DROPPIN LIKE THE NIGGAZ DOWN DA BLOCK
POP POP WATCHIN NIGGAZ DROP 100 100 100
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>>166268306
:fire::fire::fire:
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>>166268306
give me tendies mommy reeee
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>be me
>finally win a raffle after actual years of popping into tf2r
>it's some polish cunt who doesn't deliver
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>>166268306
why does this hat have nigger on their picture
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>>166268306
i want to die pleaseee e
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post nice tf2 images i can link to a friend in personal-messages
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>>166268132
i meant in competitive levels
i would 100% guarantee you that everyone would use max fov if valve increased it from 90
personally i cant stand 90
i fucking hate it
and i dont see why they cant set it to above
this isnt a console game
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>>166268306
daddy promised to give me his cummies!
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>>166268306
#NOTMYPRESIDENT
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>>166268876
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>>166268876
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>>166268306
Anybody else thought the BLM movement was for a sandwich?
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>>166268306
>>166269336
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>>166268306
>>166268385
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>>166268306
>>166269419
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>>166268306
>>166269336
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>>166268306
see? i speak Ebonics fluently. My daughter told me to stop being racists to the niggers so here we are
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>>166269634
SHIEEEEEEEEEET MANG WHY U GOTTA BE BRING PEOPLE OF COLOA DOWN
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Sorry about that, with the elections and how the country is in and almost militant state dude to some guy being president that people didn't want, a melanin enriched friend broke in and was doing my regularly scheduled rolls for me. So here we go a proper roll.
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>>166270061
If I don't kill myself for forgetting the image first. Im such a loser.
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>>166270145
If I don't kill myself for forgetting the image first. Im such a loser.
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>>166270219
>>166270145
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>>166270145
>>166270980
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>>166270145
wwhats up evveryone
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>>166270145
I hate Trump because he dislikes my relationship with my wifes sons black father. I cant get the taste of his semen out of my mouth. Fuck Trump
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>>166270145
who the fuck snowboards in the desert
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>>166271290
>>166270145
reroll
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>>166270145
MAGA '16
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>>166270145
Trump 2020
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>>166271395
make it smaller
1080p is not worth it, try something sub 720
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>>166271435
neto, lets see if somebody can match it
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>>166271449
Eh, i was just curious.
I set the converter to 3mb, result is 3010 kb and 4chan shows 2.94.
Probably has to do with MiB and MB but i wanted to make sure it worked
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>>166271551
Mike Electric Fence Pence
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>>166271551
Kanye 2024
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>>166271551
Moonman Moonman cant you see, we have the end the cucks accepting their wife sons fathers degeneracy
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>>166272307
>>166271551
reroll
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>>166271551
Mike "ACDC for LGBT" Pence
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>when you are typing something after the game ends but then the scoreboard pops up
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>>166271551
Mike "If you like the cock, you're getting a shock" Pence
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>>166272564
Hit tab you pissbaby

-1/10 would not give a (you) again
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>>166272564
fucking this, and you can no longer scroll up
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>>166272564
Scoreboard doesn't block chat, the rate this match popup does i think
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direct upgrade
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>>166272648
>>166272667
>>166272669
I don't mean in casual, I mean in the old quickplay/community servers when its changing map and you can't tell the scout who has been focusing you all game and then taunting because you got one kill on him that he is a fucking cunt
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>>166271551
Alex Jones for Vice President
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>>166271551
putin 2024
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>>166271551
america sux
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>>166271551
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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>>166273639
Gotcha, posting from phone right now. I'll be sure to describe it in the morning.
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>>166273806
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>>166273837
It's five in the morning here, I have to get some kind of sleep.
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>>166274020
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>theres people in this thread that don't know how to operate a server browser
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>>166274020
tfw you dab on niggas
joy ok hand 100
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>>166243348
Who dis?
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>>166235376
>Reworked Heater to help Heavy buddy buddy with pyros (and it actually does the job unlike the sun on a stick)
>Going to rework it again

X to doubt
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>>166275254
why are they all ugly and dressed like shit
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>>166275364
commanderX is pretty handsome imo (white shirt)
hildreth is the memelander player extine interviewed (first from right)
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>>166275254
who, who, who, who, who , who, and who, the team

second from the right looks like a granparent trying to look hip with the kids
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>>166271395
You can just reduce the resolution down, you don't need 1080p if you have to fit it in 3MB
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>>166268891
>everyone would use max fov if valve increased it
>b4nny and kaidus on 4:3 resolution
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>>166276195
3:4 is good at 98 fov
16:9 at 108 fov
90 is still too low
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>>166276195
does kaidus still use 4:3 resolution while coaching (spectating) se7en ?
what are the best EU demos right now ?
>>166275829
he looks like a 30 year old not a grandpa
check your glasses grandpa
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>>166275364
because they are professional videogamers you fucking normie
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I've noticed that, whenever I'm "on the zone" or good players on their youtube videos usually shake the mouse somewhat violenty before pressing M1, but turns out to be a precise shot. What's that?
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>>166277412
i think you are really focused and while playing subconsciously notice your crosshair goes too far not to miss so you keep retrying really fast until it looks like you will hit
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>>166277412
the australians do this all the fucking time
its painful spectating them, specially Geoh
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>>166277434
>2fort webm
come on now....
btw if you make a few webm from moments here ill love you long time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamuLPfQibU
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>pick up game again after a while
>still garbage iron level, just where I left it
>there's no pickup games to go queue for to get absolutely destroyed by bored platinum and up players
Where do the cool prem kids go fuck around these days? tf2pu.net is in ruin and pug.champ is empty
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/JasmineTea/
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>>166277412
swiping the mouse like that usually gets you a good chance to headshot, lets you move towards the object you want to hit without having to decelerate and track afterwards. The rest is timing, so you can get that down rpetty easily after a while of doing it
It's not the best way to do things, but it's so, so easy to pull off in a pinch you'd be amazed
it's the same as if you were to make a line with a pencil, you can go slow and steady and make a somewhat straiht, but rough line, or just swipe it and make a pretty straight, but somewhat curved or imprecise line

At least, that's my experience. Credit card sniping
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Bring back autobalance.
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>>166279002
any specific clips you want? ill do you two and if you are interested i can also teach you how to make them yourself. its free and with the tools i use and would recommend its also free open source
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>>166280557
3:14-3:28
with enough quality to see the health of demo, make it shorter if its not possible to fit size limit
4:27-4:34 or at least most of that spy play
thx buddy
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>23 players in queue
>2 medics
medic was a mistake
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>>166280818
its the only game with that problem
it would be nice to streamline things a bit maybe so that the skill barrier for medic was lower
for example every med has to follow the mandatory heal other and repeat it every single start of a round, maybe make a script that automatically buffs demos and roamer at the start of the round ?
also make a script so that when its 3-1 with 2 minutes left the match ends, since its just dead time (or 2-1 with 1 min left)
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>>166280798
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>>166281075
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>>166281075
>>166281556
dog bless
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>>166281998
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>>166280932
i don't think thats a good idea, i think most people don't play medic because they find it boring and not just stressful. i think something better would be to make all classes spawn with full overheal
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>>166281075
how to edit demos this good
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>>166283316
pls respond
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Hey I wanna bring a friend "into the fold" on tf2, teach him the basic stuff cause he doesn't seem to believe tf2 is any good (he's w+m1 pyro tier). You guys got any tips or methods for snapping newbies into shape? Thanks.
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>>166284245
It would require them to play the game, so no luck there
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>>166284245
Get him to play an explosive class
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>>166284245
Make him play soldier, tell him to shoot rockets at people and aim slightly at the floor to hit them better. Tell him that if people are somewhat close and he's out of rocket, change weapon to the shotgun and shoot until someone is dead. Keep having him play that way until he can consistently keep his weapons loaded and can aim rockets and hitscan well enough, then maybe consider teaching him rocketjumping and other advanced techniques
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>>166282735
yeah good idea
>>166283838
lawena and many hours learning the hotkeys and replaying the same demo
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>No Pyro update this quarter
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>>166284245
having damage numbers enabled makes everything more satisfying and easier to tell when you're doing well, especially when new to the game
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>>166286069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d6yBHDvKUw
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>>166283316
i use a few tools
http://pastebin.com/P0XM5MxN

i made a video too since i thought the text was confusing
https://mega.nz/#!qFhGCTxC!5JpNnlx6UL04JTZpl9TlkZURxERkmax4Fy9nITFwX1o
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>>166286128
>6 months
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>>166283316
lawena + built-in demo editor
most of the stuff in there is just lawena presets but the camera following the arrow is smoothed over
there are a couple of tutorials floating around about how to move the camera in demos, you usually want STV demos to do that as POV demos will have a lot of problems with effects and out of view objects, and so will lawena sometimes
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>>166286425
We've seen how well valve works, lets let them take their time to release a class "rebalance".
The least they could do is throw us some maps with a campaign every once in a while though.
I haven't seriously played tf2 in years, but i came back with halloween. And i actually enjoyed myself while doing it even with absurd slowdowns on the maps.
I also think they need to get rid of the "work on what you want to" thing.
It worked when they only had tf2 and some smaller new projects (which turned out to be doter and vive gear), but now they are handling 3 huge games.
They need to dedicate people specifically to each game instead of letting people wander to where the most fame is.
Making people work on something they are uninterested is bad, but there are plenty of people that would love to work on tf2 that they could bring it.
Despite being almost 10 years old and rarely updated for the last couple of years, there are a ton of people that miss the "good ole days" and would be willing and able to try to get us back to like 2010-2014 levels of involvement.
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>>166286292
disregard this, i thought you were talking about the editing i did. if you want to learn how to make webm this you look at but i don't know how to edit tf2 demos or anything
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>>166286095
Not the vanilla damage numbers, god no
Nobody can see the little red text
So it's best to make them install a custom hud as well
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>>166286069

>>166286095
this is true, my pubber friends got pretty decent at scout just by enabling hitsounds and damage numbers
one of them has "baka" as a hitsound and its wacky and funny XDXD
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>>166288126
right, it's been so long since I had vanilla damage numbers I forgot what they looked like
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>banned from tf2center
>cant play 6s with my pubber friends who were starting to get into comp
>they dont want to play 6s if im not with them mentoring
fuck tf2center nazi mods, seriously
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>>166279637
faceit is the way to go for casual comp 6s
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>>166288558
>EU West
>try to play faceit
>after 20 minutes we finally get 12 players
>one player doesnt connect to the server
>whole match cancelled
that sucks man. also the fact that you dont pre-select classes before the match can cause some conflicts. there should be a written rule that the last player to join each team is obliged to play med (if there are no volunteers)
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>>166288558
I've tried faceit, it's not an option
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>>166288912
why? It just werks for me.
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if you are new to comp TF2 your only options are:
>Newbie mixes (region specific)
>tf2center
>faceit (pretty bad mm system)
>tf2stadium (tf2center but without players)
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>There is no existing burning flames galvanized gibus
I don't even know how much that would be worth
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>>166289178
>tf2center
dead and buried
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>>166289178
forgot pugchamp
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>>166289610
>new to comp
>playing pug.champ
thats crazy
mix.champ if anything, but thats still pretty high skill for a newbie
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>>166289576
how Eric the Epic TF2 Developer will ever recover?
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>>166279637
Pug champ has top invite players pugging every night, even the afternoon pugs are probably way out of your reach. I would recommend mix champ if it's not dead. Face it is ok but no one speaks.
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>>166289836
How will Weegee ever recover now that hes losing so many subs that the ones he is gaining are not even replacing them
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>>166290040
never heard of this weegee before, who is ?
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>>166289576
>build sentry at a already captured point
>yep my works done
into the blacklist
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whos playing in Rewind tonight ?

who do you think will win?
http://www.strawpoll.me/12171502
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>>166289869
mix.champ was always way deader than pug.champ for whatever reason
I wish tf2pu.net didn't die like it did
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>>166288269
>TF2
>Programmers
What year is this from, 2013?
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>>166290796
they have 16 people on the "TF2 team" according to the Valve AMA they did
probably 13 are actually shared between csgo and TF2
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>>166291016
I would be seriously surprised if they had more than 2 "programmers" on the TF2 team.

Also don't they just, you know, completely outsource csgo to some other company because they don't care enough about it compared to dota to do shit with it?
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>>166291069
well csgo was initially a project of an external company already, but i think they still have general "engine" devs for source related problems
at least 90% of the valve dev team is
>dota 2
>steam updates
>VR
they always had around 300 people hired in their main HQ but i doubt even 1/3 is working on their actual games
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>>166291341
>VR
right, that epic meme that's totally going places

Where are all the people that wasted years on the steam machine.
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>>166291430
wasting the rest of their life on some other similar project
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>>166291430
>SteamOS
>ubuntu with steam preinstalled that doesnt even ask you for partition options and formats your whole drive
im sure that took a lot of effort
>making partnerships with alienware and other companies to make overpriced small PCs
a looooooot of effort
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Is the Liberty Launcher a good weapon?
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>>166291729
its a crappy direct hit with 1 rocket more
i like it but people get mad at me when i use it
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>>166292054
I don't have the Direct Hit yet thoguh.
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>>166292276
>yet
If you're new then don't use the ll
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>faggot: "anon go heavy"
>nah
>faggot: "kick him"
>get kicked in about a second

Mvm players need to be genocided
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>>166292276
are you planning on trying out tf2center once you hit 300 hours ? or maybe you want to stay in pubs for a while to learn the basics
if you want to get into comp, the only unlocks you really need on soldier are gunboats (roamer soldier) and escape plan (pocket soldier)
soldier primaries are fairly balanced, and the only secondary that really stands out as OP is the reserve shooter wich is banned in comp
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>>166288732
ive had matches where we win without medics. its a meta not a rulebook, an extra offensive can really put the heat on the enemies in the first piece of the game
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>>166292764
>Telling a person who's literally new to the game to play competitive
>Especially with the joke that tf2 comp is
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>>166292478
>>166292764
I should clarify, I played TF2 back when you had to buy it.

But I stopped playing for a while and I think at some point like 4 years ago I traded all my weapons (there weren't that many at the time) for a game on Steam.

I'm just getting back into TF2 again, so I'm trying to make due with the few weapons that I have.
>>
After sniping a lot the past few days, I have a hatred of Darwins users.
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>>166289576
>claims tf2 is for stupid people
>can't even play tf2
ayy lmao
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>>166289576
why even post it here when we already know its just bait for views
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>tfw to intelligent too play TF2
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>>166292978
>nd I think at some point like 4 years ago I traded all my weapons (there weren't that many at the time) for a game on Steam.
4 years ago was like the last time they added any new weapons, there were more or less the same amount
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>>166293529
The amount of years wasn't an exact estimate. It might have been longer.
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>>166271395
>unremarkable kill
>Thanks!

why are you like this?
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>>166293838
>Not bming every time you get a market garden
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ATTENTION: EVERYONE GET IN HERE . this ones gonna be good eu cucks gonna get btfo

twitch.tv slash esportsarena
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>>166294567
>NA
>good at anything
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>>166294567
MATCH IS LIVE BO3
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>>166294567
Starkie meme plays incoming
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dumping loadouts
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>>166292915
psh you cant pause midfight, kiddo....
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>>166297537
im not your buddy guy
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im so average
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>>166292670
MvM players see the gamemode as a machine that requires very specific parts. It's your fault for not knowing that :^)
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>>166289576
he saw the Game Theory video and went, yep that got him a lot of (You)'s ill do it too
>>
>guy
:x
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>>166298896
>got revenge
>getting dommed
>>
>completely clean my server browser
>no vsh, trade, mario_kart, achievement, cp_orange
>all that's left is ctf_2fort, plr_hightower, badwater and some payload servers
when did pub players map taste get this bad?
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>>166299363
what do you want him to say?

guy (female (male))
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>>166299609
>not getting dommed by prem scouts in 6s
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>>166299919
how was your holidays indexer
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>>166299919
the new reckoner mid is so fucking aids, you cant see shit
they replaced the containers with big shed-like structures (like the ones in 2nd)
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>>166299987
what holidays?
>>166300057
did they at least keep the flowers?
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>>166290792
I play mix champ all the time in NA, you just have to stay added for a while. Usually youre waiting for medics. Face it is even easier but their mm is more random. Also pug champ is active but you'll never get picked unless you play like high open or im
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>>166299810
hightower is actually a good map ifanyone actually played it as a payload race and not a soldier spire simulator
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>>166300161
christmas and new years
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>>166299919
Which map is that one?
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>>166300172
eu.mix.champ right now has 12 users online, 2 queued, at 8PM on a sunday
It's not happening ever
>>166300243
busy
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>>166300450
cp_reckoner
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Does TF2 even exist?
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TRIPLE CHAINSTAB WITH A DROP AT LAST
STARKIE THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
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holy shit
https://clips.twitch
.tv/esportsarena/AverageJayNinjaTroll#
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>>166301586
mym was a mistake
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>>166301778
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Pubs are infuriating in so many ways.
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>>166301778
"stabbystabby would be proud" dont bring crutchcrutch into this
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>>166301778
>>166296464
the prophecy has been fulfilled
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>>166292670
Honestly after playing MvM I completely understand why players are so anal about this shit.

>Dude just go demo
>No I swear I can play sniper well enough to do the demos job
>Fine
>30 minutes later he has less damage than the soldier, heavy, and engineer and you're struggling to advance

It's so much easier and faster to just kick people than hope they can off-role.
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>>166299114
No, theyre just nofunallowed faggots, i was topscoring as demo before.

Have fun wasting thousands gambling for shiny virtual toys.
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>tfw to intelligent to do something besides playing vidya allday, scrolling meme sites and lying to my mom
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the 3 intelligent mayday??
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>>166301586
>playing comp mm
dumbest thing you can do in TF2
just go to tf2center you dumbo
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>>166302823
i had the most dmg though, and some engineer with 20 tours convinced them to kick me because he had a shiny hat.

bootcamp is superior if you just want to play the mode instead of playing fucking brass beast heavy: the game
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>>166302823
Mvm so dumb. It's just spamming, the bots have the weirdest movement too. Such a dumb game mode.
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>>166292670
i just wish theyd make their mind up on a heavy meta, each autistic 1000 tour has a different idea fof what constitutes auto kick

some even enforce 100% retarded comps like "omg he didnt go 30% attack speed"

nigga thats the worst fucking first buy unless youre going to have the medic AND dispenser glued to your asscrack
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>>166301778
WHAT THE FUCK
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>>166235376
>Those afterburn changes
>The Degreaser+Axtinguisher is finally fair and balanced
>Those Third Degree changes
>The SVF is finally decent
>That Homewrecker buff
>Powerjack is no longer the only Pyro Melee
>Airblast jumping
>Airblast no longer halts momentum
This needs to be real.
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>>166303480
this
i cant enjoy it for the same reason i cant enjoy L4D
spamming left click against endless waves of enemies isnt that fun, and i dont feel like im "winning" anyway since its just bots with shitty wierd movement
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>>166301778
dam son.
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>>166304276
>Rareware mark of quality

Alright I chuckled.
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6 names my backscatter
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Hello /tf2g/, can you guys take your degenerate horse fucker back?

- from /owg/ with love
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>>166305817
Me estoy llendo por la banqueta prro, hagase para la verga hmbre.
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>>166305881
hes not ours fuck off to /mlp/
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>>166305817
i need a hot throbbing leaking cock in my ass RIGHT NOW NO QUESTIONS NO LUBE
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>join upward
>notice the blus are doing nothing
>look and see a twitch streamer is being a spinning aimbot sniper
Why are there shits like this?
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>>166305817
This ones to you Dad
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>>166306506
>>166305817
its a 6 dont jew out now show item
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>>166306506
4 describes
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>>166307148
kurt cobain's dildo
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>>166307148
be my wife's bull
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>>166307256
>>166307148
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>>166307148
*sniff*
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>>166307148
overwatch is better than this game
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>>166307454
delete this post
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>>166307148
Puede que mi mamá haya sido una indigena peruana pero mi papa es 1/32 de origen aleman lo que me convierte en un nazi legitimo.
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>>166307503
no i win
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>>166307519
denunciado
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>>166307454
Thx guys
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On how they made the Sniper have a scar after the Meet the Spy, they should have made the mercs more aged for comp, to match their older voices.
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>>166307454
tfw TF2 competitive is shit, but it's still better than OW's
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>>166307874
Aloe of there voice actors are literally old in real life, Gary is like 80 something right?
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>223 compatible players
>still waiting

ffs
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>42 compatible players
>still waiting
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I haven't played since 2012, would it be stupid to try and get back into this game?
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it's the same game essentially

some things got nerfed and buffed
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>>166308752
you cant be worse than the average gibus
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>>166308752
Was the before or after hats?
I haven't played since we were still earning new items from achievements.
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>>166309261
After I think
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>>166306604
>matchmaking
found your problem
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>>166244035
Demo is the weakest of the 6v6 classes after the nerf and scout is the strongest atm. So B4nny is playing scout.
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Sometimes I play overwatch so that when i go back to tf2, I enjoy it that much more
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>>166311127
>Demo is the weakest of the 6v6 classes

yeah, and that's why you're only allowed 1 per team, right?

retard
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>WOOP WOOP GO WATCH THE LAN
YOU SPOOKED ME TO SHIT VALVE
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post cool findings from workshop

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=326040319
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>>166312059
You pub shitter idiot. I main demo 6v6. He is objectively outclassed when it comes down to it. The reason why there is only one per team is because it leads to shitty spamfest when you have two.
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>>166312993
how much work do you think went into that
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>>166313058
not just a spamfest but just being able to lock down and stickytrap both choke and flank ....
it was allowed one season in ETF2L i think? then they made a poll to make it classlimit 1 and obviously people agreed
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This is /v/'s tier list of classes. Does anyone disagree?
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>>166313109
not much I guess, but I like the concept
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>Offclassing to sniper in comp is used for the surprise factor
>They always use stock/AWP so after the first missed shot the enemy team knows
Why not use the heatmaker? It's silenced so you can get a few misses before they start acively moving in a way that fucks with snipers, and they never go for bodyshots on meds anyway
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>>166313470
unsurprising but completely accurate
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>be australian
>get 4th place in international tournaments 4 years in a row

>>166313572
AWP is a stock reskin
heatmaker might not be allowed
and people do go for bodyshots since when the rifle is fully charge thats a guaranteed medic pick
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ma3la and warhuryeah look so fucking ugly without the glasses on
like their faces just look bad, the glasses make them OK
also garguglio and Geoff have the worst names to pronounce in the whole LAN
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>>166313470

sounds about right to me, aside from sniper being op af
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>>166313956
I know it's a reskin, but i specified because it's the only stock reskin with a different sound
Looking at the whitelist, the heatmaker is allowed
And whenever they go for bodyshots they're either on scouts or they simply miss because they aim for the head out of habit anyway
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the spy plays this lan are hillarious
it slike the soul of sideshow messing around in pugs got into everyone this lan
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>>166313470
TF2 Medic isn't nearly as bad as anything from Overwatch.
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>>166316062
Overwatch comp is actually the most boring fucking thing to watch.
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>>166315108
I'm loving the offclassing, it really shows that no matter the meta every class can be useful
>>166316062
>The ana boost usually means 2/3 kills
>You can still kill the boosted player
Medic would be completely busted in OW
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>>166316125
I've been taking a break from Overwatch because it's currently in one of the shitties metas ever, but the healers can practically make tanks invincible in that game.

Medic can be annoying TF2 but outside of uber I can't think of any point where he's invincible.
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>>166316327
He's not, that's what makes him a balanced support. He can keep his team alive but he can't keep himself alive (reliably)
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>>166315010
what the fuck you stole this song from my profile, i was just listening to it
now i have to change it
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>>166316327
You can still push away the medic as pyro or demo to deny uber.
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>>166316802
>>166317005
I mean even when the Medic is actively healing someone you can still do enough damage to an overhealed Heavy to kill him (though it will be hard)
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somebody get the retard off the stage for fucks sake
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>>166235641
why not? what game mode is best?
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>>166317884
It's just one huge stalemate is why.
I think payload is still one of the best gametypes because it forces both teams to focus on an everchanging midpoint. 5cp is obviously the most played competitive mode but I think payload still wins out.
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>>166317884
there are many problems with ctf in tf2 that dont really happen in quake
>flag cannot be instantly taken back to base when you walk over it
>flag timer to return to base can just be reset by a spy and you cant really do anything about it
its just a bad gamemode
the only map played for ctf was turbine, and turbine pro is way better than the official valve version but its still aids for comp
the only reason ctf is so popular in pubs is that its extremelly simple symmetric maps that are basically team deathmatch
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>>166317884
I've been fine with ctf in the past but ever since mym came out and you have to queue up for shit and wait so long to get in games among the problems ctf has always had i don't bother.

Community ctf though, that's probably as fine as it's ever been (which has never been stellar, but ok)
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>Spy with CnD hiding in a ridicolous place
>Pyro shoots a flare right at him
Calling bullshit on that
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>>166318948
it's a common place for a spy to stand
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>>166317250
Doing that with scout always gets my dick rock hard.
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>>166321704
I like to get behind with the Fan O' War (one of the only items I have) and using Minicrits to take down a Heavy.
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>>166317250
5 meatshots as scout
5 ponitblank rockets as soldier
3 headshots and 1 bodyshot as sniper (or one fully charged headshot)
heavy is extremelly little skill for a big reward, just from how much HP he has
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>>166321920
This is incorrect unless the medic stops healing (he most likely won't)

medigun heals 24hp/second, do the math
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>issue 6 of the tf comics release
>it's the biggest issue yet
>pyro update leak looks promising

Is 2017 the year where things are looking up for us?
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>>166322120
oh shit ur right
how long does it take to fire 5 shots of stock primary weapons with scout and soldier?
also the sniper rifle doesnt allow headshots when you just scoped in, i think you have to wait like half a second or something like that
going for the med first is almost always the correct thing to do
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>>166322218
I'm more excited about froyo getting chainstabbed right now to be honest. Also that leak ain't real dum dum head.
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>>166311127
Any class in 6s has the potential to be very impactful. For example a slow demo or one who can't put enough pressure can easily lose a map. Scout vs soldier is one of the most finely balanced fights in the game but soldier is harder and requires better game sense to edge out really good scouts.
>>166322218
I'm optimistic
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>>166322403
most shotguns and scatterguns are .625 seconds

rockets are .8 i think, but you have to also think about travel time and stuff
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how long till the fake leak hits reddit and everyone overhypes the update again
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>>166322218
>>pyro update leak looks promising
Is anyone seriously taking that """""leak""""" seriously? He literally made it up and even said he made it up, even answering my questions about what some of it meant.
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>>166313470
Med/Scout/Demonigger/Soldier have been established as the top four since the game has been out. So what?

Comp babbies are too vocal against anything that would change muh meta, and Valve is too lazy to fix the game anyway.

What is there to discuss?
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>people falling for the leak

hasn't videogames been posting that for the last like 6 months
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>>166322754
i am posting it to reddit as we speak
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>8 minutes of camping with the CnD
>Butterknives the med and roamer
Like a true spy
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>>166322956
What would need to happen to move out of that meta in the first place?
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>>166235281
i played my first lobby today after 2.3k hours in game

it was really easy and i didnt learn anything.

cool
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>>166324529
which class
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>>166324448
Nice try valve spy, we aren't giving you more tips to kill the game
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what's the difference?
can someone explain this "ladder" thing to me?
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what if here was the only place the tf2 team posts in
being anonymous they could just bait us into getting them feedback essentially
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>>166324618
i played roamer, i placed 3rd in kills, but i was number 1 in cap points.

the enemy team had an 800 hours demo who didnt know how to play so the game rolled itself
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>comp is just stalling for ages on the choke until someone gets bored and suicides in
and you wonder why this shit isn't recognized as an esport
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>>166324947
they stalk places like redditand steam community forums
im pretty sure in one of the GDC talks they say that they find it more interesting to see people arguing between them than directly talking to them
why do you think they nerfed weapons that pissed of pubbers like stock stickies and black box ? they weren't OP by any means but they were perceived as "too good" in the pub shitter sphere
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>>166325067
Crowns are known for being slow even for EU standards. they stand out as probably the SLOWEST team in prem in ETF2L
watching epsilon win every season was more exciting than watching crowns/se7en play
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>>166325149
i know they lurk but as you said
>they find it more interesting to see people arguing between them than directly talking to them
here would be the a place where they could just start a topic for people to talk about and nobody would notice
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So what's everyone's thoughts on the current righteous bison?
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>>166325874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
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>>166325067
Just wait until froyo rolls them, you'll understand why this stuff isn't viable. This is also why 60 min esea time limit is better, teams take more risks and way more games end in 5
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>>166325874
i never used it much because i always thought shotgun was more satisfying to use but valve went too far nerfing it for no reason
they should consider nerfing crossbow so that it at least MAKES SENSE to use needles sometimes, that would make things interesting
i dont see anyone with a brain consider needles viable since 2013 or something
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>>166325874
who cares
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where can i watch the sick spy gameplay
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>>166325998
t. biased ESEA client
a merge of both rulesets is the best imo, making matches shorter
>30 min timelimit
>5 scorelimit
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>>166325965
>>166326029
>>166326075
thank you for your feedback fellow players
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the classic
NA vs EU
im pissed that aussies were 4th again this year, but they don't have any competition in australia so they are lucky they are even in shape to get 4th place
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>>166326205
Teams essentially have two ways to win, get a lead and stall or win out the rounds. The bigger lead you take the more risks you can take to convert the win limit. The 30 minute time limit forces a team down by one or two rounds to play under a huge time pressure, can't take risks to even it out. This is why b4nny wanted the 45 minute time limit.
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>>166326687
se7en is just not confident enough to always take the chance and push when they have the option to do so
but the real reason that "rolls" work is that if you keep going forward and killing the enemy, they will spawn 1 by 1 or 2 by 2 and wont be able to show opposition
besides that, the morale of being the team pushing also helps
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Another problem is the old maps, granary and badlands are hard to create chaos.
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>>166325874
It was fine the way it was, even very useful in certain situations. Now it's worthless.
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>>166327279
what
badlands is fine
its one of the best maps in TF2
if it wasnt for the 2 second cap time on last it would be perfect, but Valve devs follow b4nny input on that matter
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>>166327559
Badlands last is notoriously hard to push in and out. Compare the gameplay on process, snake, sunshine, metalworks, and gully to some extent
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>>166327772
snake is way harder to push in last
sunshine too
badlands last is pretty small so getting in might be hard but once you are in you dont have to move that much or rocket jump around
it would be easier to push if they kept the old 1 sec cap time on the point, wich basically forced one person to stand on it if there was any danger
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twitch chat calling out nursey as being a man lol
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http://www.strawpoll.me/12171502
easy victory for europe but id like your toughts since this is just map 1
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whos the retard in blu that keeps appearing behind the teams?
someone knock him out and take him offstage
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>MEMETECH
damn
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How do I use skins in sv_cheats 1 servers?
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>be amerishot
>suck a fucking cock JUST FOR FUN
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*stares at you directly in the eyes*
*beautifully explains why se7en won against Froyotech and why their plays were perfectly timed and coordinated*
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>>166329723
how delusional is nursey btw, an actual attempt to transition or Narcissa tier. A common benchmark of delusion over transition is if they join a Girl Gamer group
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>garbuglio
>bdonski
who comes up with these fucking names? is it the sounds their parents made when they saw their face? also rando has the biggest eyebrows in invite lmao
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>>166326463
JT got rekt so hard that they're quitting
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hi i'm trying to figure out crafting, what were the first things you guys crafted? what's worth crafting and what's not? should i buy scrap off of people?
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17:11:55 Faux: I banned a med from this lobby because he was bad
17:12:01 Faux: and now dullish joins
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>>166330524
>all those people that thought EVL had a chance
>all those people thinking FROYO would completely destroy se7en/crowns
can we get some american tears ITT ?
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i want to fuck corsa
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>>166332917
craft weapons you want or hats. really it makes more sense to trade for the exact hat you want
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>tfw b4nnel is losing for once
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>>166332917
only craft scrap metal when you have duplicates of weapons
thats the only think i craft, probably the first thing i crafted back when crafting was introduced too
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>>166324529
log
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how do i appeal a tf2center ban that isnt even on the forums?
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>>166333294
http://logs.tf/1619890#76561198001786794

dont bully me
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>a roll

you cannot take anything away from this
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>>166333615
>http://logs.tf/1619890#76561198001786794
why do so many american server miss the plugin to record damage?
thats such a huge roll, they didnt stand a chance and if you werent in the server it wouldnt make that much of a difference
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>>166333798
yeah like i said, the game played itself. it wasnt very interesting.

maybe next time i will get a much needed challenge
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>>166332917
Dont craft weapons, you can buy them all super cheap for less than a scrap from automated traders. Also most hats are super cheap "craft hats" worth 1.5 refined, also cheap to buy once you have some scrap going on. Iif youre going to craft anything from raw metal, craft hats, gives you a chance of a good hat, and anything else can be traded while metal nowadays cant.

My first craft was a Widowmaker
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>>166333615
>http://logs.tf/1619890#76561198001786794

force yourself to get picked on pugchamp, wait until theres not many people added in the afternoon. You'll quickly realize why youre bad and why everyone on tf2 center is clueless and perma feeds.
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>>166332440
wait really?
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>>166334110
>implying

i dont need to be reminded i am bad, thats why i am practicing my dm when i can, i can hold my own in some fights, but i know my limits.

in time it will change
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>>166334160
Yeah Paulsen was interviewed afterwards and said they'd probably disband, both internationally and domestically
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>>166334293
well you said it was easy and you didnt learn anything. it's a combination of random balance on tf2 center and that everyone on tf2 center is bad. Try mixchamp or just join an open team.
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>>166334635
What did cookiejake have to do with it?
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>>166332039
lol they are all beta numales
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>>166334727
i don't follow, sorry
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>>166334715
i will when i get time, thanks for the advice, i have been debating on doing this stuff for a while, but the only way i am gonna get better is to go comp i think
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>>166334928
cookiejake is the medic from EVL that did the clutch play in the EVL vs JT match
the "new harbleu"
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YLYL
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who are the current rewind castera
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>>166335606
Bren (UK) and TheFragile (ex-invite medic)
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>>166335580
highlander is fun
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i want to MARRY h*lf l*ft
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GWI6o1OL4
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tip for EU: u cant capture points while invulnerable
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thefragile sounds a lot like star but less autistic
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>>166335580
i wonder what those people would have thought about competitive quake

>UGHHH GAME IS BORING
>ONLY LIKE 8 GUNS
>UR GAMEMODES ARE DUMB
>EVERYTHING IS SO FAAAST
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>>166336573
i will take notes
>>166336582
thefragile knows a lot
hes been there almost from the start
he can tell you so much about the history of CompTF2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRhmad9Jq4
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>>166336336
i love eltorro so much
this one's my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrB6k9kEV3I
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>>166336993
CMON GET TO THE CHOPPER
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>>166336716
if HLfags exited in quake
>b-b-but i like [shitty weapon], evil metafags dont want me to have fun
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>>166336336
I still laugh at this shit
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COOKIEJAKE SINGLEHANDEDLY KILLING AUSTRALIA TF2
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>>166336716
>>166337071
I'm a 6sfag, but you can't really compare TF2 and quake at all besides the DM. The actual strategy is vastly different
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>>166337465
yeah
also quake's main team gamemode was 4v4 right? and i dont think they were even that relevant when compared to 1v1 duels
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>>166337678
quake 3 duels, quake 1 2v2

quake champions is now using ultimate to get those overwatch Dollar$
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>>166337457
W-We will recover
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>>166337874
>quake champions is now using ultimate
no
nonononono
NONONONONO
i refuse to believe
>>
So Pyro on last is a thing now?
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>>166338006
id let them play the game back at quakecon 2016, and they really didn't mind it. They actually said they liked it, so that's whatever.
Quake 3 was originally the same with different characters with different health models, but the balance was too hard to remedy

you can look up quake champions gameplay if you want
>>
>she
>her
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>>166338162
it's always been a thing
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>>166338469
for you
>>
Based fucking Paddie
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>>166338787
don't forget about my sand nigger habib
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why the fuck do friendlies exist
and why do they get mad when you call them out for being retarded
i've legitimately never understood this
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>>166339191
I played with a heavy that was just walking around whacking things with his frying pan
I was wondering "how the fuck does he find that fun"
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>>166339191
what the fuck is this
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>>166339191
when i first started playing i was so fucking bad at aiming that i'd just walk around as heavy

the classes are pretty fuckin hard to learn and it's not like CoD where you can just get kills, it takes a lot of effort
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>>166339191
>log onto server
>like five or six people being friendlies
>they get in the way of objectives or block chokepoints and get mad when someone kills them
>"funs over guys the tryhards are here"
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>EU last pushes
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Is there a place for me in this general if all I ever do is play pubs?
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>>166339887
lmao half the people here dont even play anymore
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>>166339887
no if you arent playing 6s EUtf2LAUS_NA_faggotville_v3.0 then you might as well fucking kill yourself
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>>166337457
holy shit
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>>166339887
how good are your memes
>>
>>166339887
Are you cute?
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>>166339191
seems like there's very few friendlies in casual, used to see at least one every other valve server

are they all in community servers now?
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>>166340680
hopefully
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>>166340680
i joined a community server with a lot of frinedlies. I eventually didn't have enough ammo to kill the friendlies and the enemies so I ended up ignoring them. aka they win
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>>166341024
>if you kill your enemies, they win
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>>166339191
>woooow stop taking the game so seriously stop killing me!!!
>literally getting mad because someone kills you ingame
how is this not taking the game more seriously than the people who dont care
>>
>before matchmaking update
>could hop in on any server I wanted
>after MYM
>wait more than play
good job fat fuck, you killed TF2
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>>166341915
its cuz you live in nigeria.
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b4nny sneak
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>>166342003
but I don't, valvedrone
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why do the casters keep referring nursey as a "her"
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Passive beta Eurocucks blowing a 2-1 lead

kek

KEK
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>>166302823
>tfw carrying your mvm team as sniper
is a good feel
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>>166321704
you must be fighting really bad heavies if they let you do that while being healed
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>>166302823
>>166342650
>tfw pick sniper and have an off game
I swear im not shit...
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>>166342650
literally doesn't happen unless the rest of your team is sniper. a demoman will always be better at every single thing you think you can do
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showstopper is kinda hot...
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>>166343284
>he can't carry as sniper

then again I'm super duper good at this game
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>>166342995
>bullets apparate through the heads of people standing perfectly still
>get impossible headshot on demoman sticky jumping towards you at 500 mph and invisible spy
>>166343284
you know what a demoman can't do that a sniper can
aim
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>>166343284
sniper can outdamage a demo by a long shot

also when theres a big boy, a sniper can just headshot that while everyone around it dies while demoman has to reload eventually
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>>166343409
>>166343475
yeah because aiming is such a huge benefit in a gamemode where enemies go in one specific obvious path over being able to kill an entire group of kritz heavies in ten seconds by himself before a sniper even fully charges for 3 shots. what do you even do against tanks, toss jarate at it? no of course not, you use razorback because even you know you are useless unscoped. even a spy is more useful. you couldn't do shit to protect an engineer from engineer buster and think you are hot shit while you again do nothing at all but pick off a few scouts with a body shot. wow thanks. demoman even snipes enemy snipers better than the sniper because he can take out more than one at a time and this is why i don't play mann vs machine. it is so clearly imbalanced and yet people still think its the same as the multiplayer as far as variety taking you far. no it isn't fun for everyone to play as demoman, but it isn't fun losing after playing over an hour because your team ""mains"" and refuses to pick something more useful
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sniper is the best class in mvm and in bed
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>>166235376
>Knocking back an enemy with airblast boosts your weapon switch speed by 40% for 1 second
>[flare gun] Base damage increased to 35. (Was 30)
gay
>[phlog] Alt-Fire on full 'Mmmph': Taunt to gain 50 health and gain crits on all weapons for 10 seconds.
Yea lets give pyro free flare/shotgun crits for TEN SECONDS
Reminder that the medics uber, which takes A MINUTE to build only lasts 8 seconds
>scorch shot doesn't have its knockback removed entirely
gaaaaaaaay
>completely uncalled for homewrecker buff
wew

new sun-stick looks neat I guess

cow mangler isn't changed???

>jarate new makes allies take mini crits
First off that's retarded on its own already
Would they also get the visual overly? That makes spychecking as sniper impossible
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>>166344275
triggered the demo main
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>>166343724
the first thing a demoman upgrades is his ability to reload, then ammo amount, and finally firerate. there is no way you outdamage even the worst demoman

>>166344308
>demoman
>zero support
i take it he joined late that round?
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>>166344375
yeah its pretty fucking obvious i main the only useful class beside medic and situationally engineer in mann vs machine because i literally said that i did
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>>166344561
>can't aim
>useful
???
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>>166344737
first of all i disagree with the statement that demoman requires no aim. obviously explosives do not require as much precision to hit but you still need to lob the grenades in the correct positions to do the most damage. his sticky bomb launcher can fire as far as the map is long and if you learn how to aim as demoman just as you would a sniper you would be able to reliably take out snipers and engineer nests. but that is beside the point, none of the enemies require accuracy at all. they all go in straight lines beside spy, sniper, and engineer which still have piss poor ai and setup in the same exact spots every game because they seem scripted. so tell me exactly how beneficial is being able to headshot an enemy in a gamemode where demomen, unlike online, don't have to plan ahead at all and can sticky trap right in front of enemies feet without them stopping?
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FREESTATE
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>>166345096
you know explosive headshot exists right
the thing that takes out entire groups of medics or small robots on top of 900 damage to giants fully upgraded in a single instant with no setup time required
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>>166345273
so you can do the exact same thing demoman can do but slower?
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>>166345419
how is aiming pointing and clicking slower than spamming m1 m2 in the general direction of robots and getting less damage in the same timeframe
how long does it take you to line up your shots
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is the ubersaw a meme? are there better options
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>>166345971
There's a reason the vitasaw was banned.
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>EU pushes
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>trying to push last with a pyro
Thalash is throwing
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F R O Y O
R
O
Y
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wow what a surprise
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"Thank god we had a Pyro!" - eu
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memes BTFO
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>the village of Europe
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USA USA USA
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>EU pushes with uber

>gets wiped
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im sorry im not good i apologize for my ego please forgive me, im just europeean
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USA USA USA USA USA, EU KEKS BTFO. Good games though.
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>>166346634
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literally in tears atm boys
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>>166346705
>>166346634
I don't get it
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>>166345542
>how is aiming, waiting for a charge, and clicking a head to do explosive damage slower than pressing m1 then m2?
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>>166346776
memes
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>>166346814
>waiting for a charge
?
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paddie so small wtf
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>>166346776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSm0wHJt2Lw
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I'm not even surprised.
I think at this point I just naturally expect Froyo to win every lan event.

>>166346776
Here's your explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSm0wHJt2Lw
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IM SORRY
IM NOT GOOD
I APOLOGIZE FOR MY EGO
PLEASE FORGIVE ME
IM
JUST
EUROPEAN
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>>166346814
>waiting a second and a half for a fully charged headshot takes more time than shooting a sticky, waiting for it to land, then pressing m2
>not waiting at all and just quickscoping for a fully upgraded 300 damage takes longer too
>all these implications
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>>166346516
the pyro was useful pushing into 4th as a distraction, it was just shit on last and i have no clue why they did that

also

>boys

>boys

>boys

Based. It's gotta be intentional.
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How can eurocucks even compete?
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>>166346920
They lost 6 months ago
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>Donald Trump is elected president
>incoming fracking boom
>America destroys europe in TF2

truly this is the best timeline
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Wow Saam has no fucking clue what he's talking about as usual. Not just a cunt, but a clueless one
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MY WIFE'S BEING FUCKED
MY STREET'S FULL OF POO
DID I EVER MENTION
I COME FROM EU
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Coach Kaidus on suicide watch
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Can't stand on the point
Cant push to save my life
My name's EU
Niggers fuck my wife
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>saam standing there like a cuck
why the fuck did they even bring him along
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It was a wild and fun ride, boys

Love you nerds
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>>166326029
this. Crossbow has been overbuffed to shit, there's basically no reason to use the other options

i'd be okay with a small buff to needles as well though, like say if they got passive reloading that would be nice
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>>166345971
Did you watch that series? Nursey and Raymond used them a lot.
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>>166348026
Crossbow needs a reskin and nothing else
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>>166348026
turn Blutsauger and Overdose into crossbows (with stats tweaked to make sense)
crusader's crossbow is now stock and syringe gun is a sidegrade
y/n
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>Config round timer reduced from 10:00 min to 6:00 min.
>Config round timer bonus per captured point reduced from [reset to 10:00 min] to simply an additional 2:00 min tacked onto the current remaining round time.
Less stalemates?
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>>166348280
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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>>166346875
>it isn't important to do 900 damage against the big bots, focus on scouts thats where he shines over demoman!
really?

>>166346962
>waiting for it to land
you don't have to do that at all
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>>166348484
>i'll make my point by emphasizing that i can't aim
d e m o m a i n
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>>166348484
>using stock sniper rifle in mvm

yeah no one does that

no wonder youre bad
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>>166348739
>hits every shot except one uncharged
totally the player and not the class. show me you playing "good"

>>166348889
they are both stock though, its a comparison
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>>166348484
>using crit canteen for headshots
aren't they already crits?
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>>166349060
as a demomain i realized that fast, it was instinct, im just used to using canteen before fight then sticky jumping back to spawn and restock before next wave starts
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>>166349025
>hits every shot except one uncharged
>all those fucking shoulder shots on a slow ass giant moving in a straight line
>panicking and suddenly shooting off random no scopes because???
>standing in the middle of the battlefield instead of up on the battlements where sniper is most effective because???
>STILL ignoring explosives headshots
like you're being stupid on purpose right
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WE AIN'T GOT NO FREEDOM
AIN'T GOT NO REGALIA
THERE AIN'T A LAN KINGDOM
FOR POOR OLD AUSTRALIA
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>>166348280
n
>>166348484
>mvm webms
absolutely disgusting
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>>166348026
Healing teammates is just too viable of a mechanic, and being able to deal somewhat noteworthy damage on range is is just a neat gimmick aside that

How many other classes have unlocks that become a (near) uncontested pick due adding an overly viable mechanic to the class?

Well, the heavy has his sandwich and arguably the GRU
Jarate is pretty much a default pick
Dead ringer is VERY common
Em... probably some more shit?
Oh and the ubersaw.

Point being they're all weapons which fill a gap in the game's design
Heavy had poor mobility, now slightly less
Medic couldn't heal on range, now he can
Heavy's poor mobility meant he'd have more trouble getting to medkits than other classes, now he doesn't need to
Bad spies Wouldn't be able to get out of an engagement alive after being spotted, now they have a chance

Some unlocks are simple + and - tweaks, like the direct hit being faster and dealing more damage, and having a smaller blast radius

Some unlocks add a new mechanic altogether, such as the ubersaw, sandwich, rescue ranger, jarate..

The crossbow isn't overpowered, it's just the only item that does what it does. It's not comparable to the other needle guns

Valve seems quite decided on the fact that medic isn't allowed to be viable in combat, well, fine. That means the one primary which fills a different function than being a (((((weapon))))) is going to get picked every time though

If they want to balance it out they'll just have to make the other needle guns better or give him a shotgun
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try to do this as demoman
post results

protip: you cant
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55% WHITE---- OUR MEDIC IS GAY--- YOU GUESSED IT RIGHT---- WE'RE ALL FROM ENN AYY
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>>166349483
>Medic with a Shotgun
>Ãœberchaining would be even more unstoppable.

Yes, please.
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>>166331849
>pushing last with a pyro
>bombing a medic with 2 scouts with a demo, leaving your own med alone and losing the advantage on the slowest map in the game

I like Froyo but they should have lost this. But damn, Se7en throwed so damn hard.
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>comp mvm
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>>166349804
If he had at least just TRIED to flank the Soldier, but no. It's apparently a better idea to stay on the point playing Pyrotennis.
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>>166348280
Overdose gives a rocket jumper blast that costs 10% ubercharge. No more speed boost.
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>>166348068
But that still leaves the problem of Medic having three totally outclassed primaries going to waste, in addition to the fact that 150 heals from across the map totally wiping out all the damage you did is dumb and slows down the game immensely
>>166348280
No
>>166349483
>The crossbow isn't overpowered, it's just the only item that does what it does. It's not comparable to the other needle guns
If being "the only item that does what it does" determines whether a weapon is used or not, why isn't Baby Face's Blaster used more on Scout when it's the only unbanned weapon that gives him a speed boost? Why isn't Mantreads used more on Soldier when it's the only head stomping and pushback resistance weapon he has?

Obviously it's not whether the weapon is unique that determines how much it's used. It's how good it is at its job.

Crossbow is VERY good at its job, and that's why 65% of pub medics and 99% of comp medics use it.

Compared to the stock syringe gun, you can passively reload, shoot faster projectiles, heal at range, burst heal faster than medigun, build Ubercharge faster than medigun, and kill light classes from across the map in 2 shots. It's clearly much better than Syringe Gun in every area except close-range self-defense, and you have your melee for that.

I mean even when fucking Slin, a Medic main, is pointing out how overpowered the Crossbow is, saying that it's not OP is just denial. It's one of the most used unlocks in the whole game, on the most gamewinning class.

To balance it out, all they have to do is make it less retardedly efficient at everything. Nerf it a bit and buff the other needleguns a bit.
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>>166350139
>unbanned
not relevant
Also, the scout does not lack speed. He is not a class which direly needs mobility- the BfB does not fill a gap in his design, it merely amplifies one of his attributes.
Add to that; post-nerf BfB isn't even good at making you fast anymore
>why isn't X used more when it also adds a new attribute
Just because it's a new attribute does not not make it good.
>Obviously it's not whether the weapon is unique that determines how much it's used. It's how good it is at its job
>Crossbow is VERY good at its job
Yes, it's quite good at its job
But we can't say whether it's too good at its job because none of the other options perform the same job.
>stock and other primary medic unlocks are bad items
Yes they are, I already said that
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Manndarin or Deadly Daffodil for a Grenade Launcher?
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>>166351247
what color is your loadout and what sheen are your other weapons
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>>166351485
Don't have sheens on the SL or the objector
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>>166337874
>Quake Champions is now using ultim-
I stopped reading right there because that's bullshit and I trust id software to understand their core audience and not dumb down the game for people like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEPdM3CG82s
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>>166351749
manndarin
duh
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>>166349324
>shoulder shot
>ignoring explosive damage even though i used it and it couldn't even kill a cluster of 3 scouts
>all those unscoped
>literally 1
>im just going to keep shooting a demoman charging at me scoped in
>thinking you will be useful from the window as opposed to outside
you wouldn't even hit half the shots in that webm and the whole point is stopping power. you are literally admitting your class is useless without a full team of people actually doing work. still waiting for you to prove to me sniper is not worthless in comparison. sniper cant even combat 2 demoknights at the same time while demoman could take out 6 at the same time
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>>166352119
sorry forgot picture
>implying its not shit hitboxes
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>>166351749
manndarin my duder
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>>166352261
>i'll blame the hitboxes for my incompetence
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>>166352004
there will still be a classic duel mode with no abilities or changes to health
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>>166352490
sorry how about a higher resolution picture from the source? this is how 2 of my 4 non headshots are, pretty good if you ask me. even if sniper did optimal amount of damage with an aimbot a demoman would be better in every single situation. just admit your main is fucking shit and you drag down your team in every single game
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>>166352528
but will they still have instagib?
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>>166352651
>a demoman would be better in every single situation
what about in a situation where you have to aim
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>>166350658
>Add to that; post-nerf BfB isn't even good at making you fast anymore
That's my point. It depends on how good the weapon is at its job, not the importance of that job, that determines whether it gets used.
>Also, the scout does not lack speed. He is not a class which direly needs mobility
Let me use Gunboats as an example then, because I think we can agree Soldier direly needs those.

Although other primaries perform a similar job today (LL/RJ/AS), at the time of release, Gunboats was the only Soldier unlock that could reduce self-damage, and did so by 75%. Soldiers used it over Shotgun massively for a long time.

Then Valve nerfed Gunboats to only do 60%, and buffed the base swap speed for all classes. Now Shotgun and Gunboats see a very even usage rate at all levels of play. It's great.

>>stock and other primary medic unlocks are bad items
>>Yes they are, I already said that
I never said they're bad items, they're just outclassed. They're well-functional weapons for their job, designed to accentuate that Medic is NOT a combat class and is a healing class, and even then you can get frags with them. In this video, before Crossbow got buffed in 2013, we see a Medic get 2 Syringe Gun kills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamuLPfQibU

Even though Crossbow has always had ranged heals, people used to use Crossbow and Syringe Gun almost equally, until Valve buffed it to shit in 2013 with passive reloads, additional damage, and Uber building.

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Crusader%27s_Crossbow#Update_history
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>>166352757
name one situation where this is important in mann vs machine.
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>>166352389
>>166352067
danke boys
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>>166352857
enemy snipers in the distance
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>>166353050
why couldn't demoman just spawn camp them too? two demomen already would cover every single avenue
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>>166349025
but you DONT use stock in mvm, you dumb pile of shit

medic uses kritzkrieg, scout uses mad milk, soldier uses buff banner, and sniper uses heatmaker

if you dont even know that then you shouldnt be comparing the two classes in the first place
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>>166353153
>it takes two demomen to do what one sniper can do
what a great class
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>>166353159
show me a video you useless piece of shit
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>>166353209
no it takes 2 demomen to do what a 6 player team could do. a tank wouldn't even make it 3 seconds out of the spawn with 6 demomen
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>>166353258
im not gonna make a webm just because youre autistic
find it yourself
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>>166353373
>hey guys the class that's suited for handling tanks would do really well against tanks if you just stacked that class
and giant scouts would be powerless if you stacked engineers, what's your fucking point
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>>166353453
nah, ill just keep reposting that video

>>166353481
and giant scouts would be powerless if you stacked demomen
and giant anything would be powerless if you stacked demomen
or non giant
or critsgiant anything
its almost like my point is demoman is overpowered and if you don't use him you are holding back your team
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>>166352759
>until Valve buffed it to shit in 2013 with passive reloads, additional damage, and Uber building.
Yes, but are we going to argue that the medic crossbow isn't one of the best overall weapons in the game? Every arrow kill is a clutch moment. Every arrow heal is a vital, split-second decision. The arrow building is technically faster than standard medigun charging, but to really generate a substantial ad over medigun via the crossbow build is a game-sense and teamwork accomplishment when in the circumstances of a live comp scenario.

Just because the needle guns don't compete with the crossbow doesn't mean that the crossbow isn't a well balanced weapon. The whole reason that the crossbow is meta is because it fills in one of the gaps of medic's stock utility: no ability to heal effectively at long ranges.

If you want to make a sidegrade for the crossbow, buff the alternatives in a way that help achieve this goal (or another) in their own way. This is why I advocate for Overdose losing its speed boost in exchange for an alt-fire rocket jump which costs a nominal amount of ubercharge. Increased mobility can help make up for the lack of no long ranged health packs. Blutsauger could get the overdose speed boost (except reduce to the boost's optimal speed increase from 100% to 50% charge so the medic can actually feel its effects) and maybe make the blutsauger a shotgun-style weapon. to set it apart, it could play off of overheal or something.

The point is that the medic crossbow needs competition, not nerfs. The medic needs primary options which can compete with the sustain that shooting a long-range arrow can provide. That competition will just have to come in forms of increased medic mobility or increased medigun capabilities (maybe even longer medibeam when wielding Blutsauger).
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>>166353628
>demomen being able to hit a giant scout
>a moving target
that would require aim
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Sniper is a meme for MvM if you're actually going to try and take that mode seriously at all. A soldier with the rocket specialist perk will fill a sniper role of single-target focus except it also provides an AoE splash in addition to making the single-target focus stronger.
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>>166353752
except it doesn't because they go in a single path every time toward the bomb. they don't even pursue the players. all it would require is throwing a sticky right in front of him which a fully upgraded sticky will arm faster than the quickiebomb launcher and thats assuming of course that he isn't instantly spawn killed out the gate
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Overused =/= Overpowered
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>>166352759
>they're just outclassed
Because they all fail to perform the same job
This isn't a matter of ''the stock weapon does 50 dps in bursts of 5 and this unlock does 60dps in bursts of 10'' This is a matter of ''the crossbow is the only item that heals teammates on range''

Lets compare it to the rescue ranger. How often do you see a (capable) engineer running it alongside his level 3 sentry?
Disproportionately often, because it's the only primary which directly aids him in keeping his sentry alive. Stock, WM, FJ, all work much better along the mini sentry

The medic has no big or small sentry gun, he has his teammates. And any medic worth his own ass knows his job is to keep his team alive. You know why? Because keeping your teammates alive means they'll help you stay alive.

The crossbow is an auto-pick because it's his only primary item which aids him to perform his primary function; keeping his team alive.

All the other ones are variations on the idea that the medic needs a weapon to defend himself, but isn't allowed to be very good at it.

You cannot rebalance the crossbow in such a way that other primaries become equally worth using, as long as the crossbow is worth using, it's the only item worth using.

Valve understood that and buffed it because they know since it's the only item worth using, it might as well be as good as it can be. They buffed it to balance medic as a class, not an individual item. All other primaries might as well not exist. It's his new stock weapon, get used to it.
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>>166353786
>soldier attacks giant with a big fucking group of medics with his rocket launcher
>half of the medics pop uber on the giant

>sniper with explosive headshots shoots giant once
>no more medics

>>166354040
>set up sticky trap
>kill one super scout
>other six super scouts run by before you can set up enough to kill them
>panic and lob grenades at random
>lose
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>>166353786
>shoot uber medics as soldier
>one pops because he was at the edge
>cant do anything about giant for 8 seconds

>shoot giant as sniper
>all the uber medics are gone
>literally cannot fail at this
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the crossbow keeps the pace of the game fast and rewards good aim.

Even if it used more than the syringe gun, everyone has fun with it being used 100% of the time

>no long range heals, which means slower pushes, weaker flanks
>no ability to kill at long range with good aim
>no ability to heal at long range with good aim
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>>166354326
>panic
>in mann vs machine
sniper mains everyone, is this why you hide in a corner and pelt bots with your bb gun? because you absolutely cannot handle yourself in close range combat? if a spy stabbed your razorback i bet you wouldn't even kill them but run back to the spawn to get a new one
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>>166354405
That's some fine cherry picking, in which, any soldier worth his salt can kill those medics in one hit e.g. Crit canteen. Or Kritz medic. Or just normal damage + rocket specialist.

I honestly cannot believe you are seriously defending this.
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>>166354579
>panic
>in mann vs machine
>sniper mains everyone
please direct yourself to your own video where you randomly panicked and ran away from a slow ass giant while haphazardly firing no scope bodyshots because you're too big of a nincompoop to position yourself better
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Chad: Can You Tell Me Your Name?
Medic: MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM!
Chad Screams
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>>166354675
Did you not understand the part about splash damage not killing some of the medics and they then proceed to pop uber?
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>>166354678
yeah, the class isn't designed for close range combat
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lol who even plays mvm
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>>166354893
so why did you position yourself closer to the giants and on equal level with them where they could charge at and kill you instead of standing in the advantageous, out of range, farther away sniper perch where you have more time to shoot them and they can't hit you back
are you so simple minded that because you think the classes perform similar functions they must be played in exactly the same way
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>>166355051
how would that increase damage output exactly? i didn't take any damage so wasn't in harms way. or is this your idea of discrediting me
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>>166354876
Crits splash damage is still a one hit kill.

You're getting desperate now, stop looking for things that don't happen and play a better class.
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>>166353650
>Every arrow kill is a clutch moment
That was possible before they overbuffed it.
Didn't you watch the video? There was a crossbow hit at 1:48, a crossbow airshot at 7:14 and 10:06, and a crossbow mid-map heal save at 3:14.

All of this stuff was possible before they overbuffed Crossbow. Yet Syringe Gun also saw frequent use. That was how it should be. The current situation of Crossbow is overpowered.
>but to really generate a substantial ad over medigun via the crossbow build is a game-sense and teamwork accomplishment
Not really that difficult, just gotta get them to stand still while on defense and hit themselves with Basher.
>Just because the needle guns don't compete with the crossbow doesn't mean that the crossbow isn't a well balanced weapon
It does, because the Needleguns were balanced around the immense power of the Medigun. Medic is such a powerful healing class that he's LITERALLY VITAL to win a game against a team who has one. Crossbow further buffs the abilities of a class who's already the most powerful in the game.

So you are forced to play Medic if your team doesn't have one because he turns trash players into good players. This drains the fun right out of the game.
>If you want to make a sidegrade for the crossbow, buff the alternatives in a way that help achieve this goal (or another) in their own way.
I only support a buff to passive reloading, as this would make Medics utilize their Syringe Gun more inbetween healing. Otherwise, buffing the most powerful class in the game is a bad idea.
>The point is that the medic crossbow needs competition, not nerfs
Crossbow HAD competition, then they made it OP. It needs nerfs.
>>166354281
>You cannot rebalance the crossbow in such a way that other primaries become equally worth using because it's the only item that heals teammates on range
As I already said, Xbow and needleguns were being used equally prior to 2013, and it was ALWAYS capable of ranged healing. What changed? They buffed it.
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>>166355224
is my idea of discrediting you implying that you're intentionally playing sniper like an ignorant shitter to make the entire class look bad
yes
you increase damage output by being farther away from them, therefore having more time to charge your shot to do more damage, which also aids you in that you don't have to run away from them when they do get closer because you have the high ground and they're melee only demoknights who can't hit you on the perch, and it also gives you a better view of their heads so you don't have to deal with demo's "shitty hitboxes." also, you aim for the top of demo's head to avoid those shoulder shots and getting the high ground aids in that.
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>>166355236
>he needs a crit canteen to kill some medics

does baby need a bottle too
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I finally stuck a stat clock on my Factory New Civic Duty that I got back during Gunmettle, should I use my festivizer on it?
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>>166355236
>you have to buy crit canteens to take out crowds as soldier
>sniper can do it whenever he wants to
rofl
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>>166355450
>>166355578
Oh, the petty insults are out! Ladies and gentlemen, the snipefag is REALLY desperate.

You would be using it on the giant soldier. You can just fire 2 rockets and wipe them all out.
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>>166355389
you would not have hit many of the shots i made within the window or on top of the building without moving all the same, and the reason i was there was specifically because i was the only player in the server and therefore cannot just hide inside after hitting two shots and expect the cleanup crew to finish the job
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>>166354460
>>166354460
>the crossbow keeps the pace of the game fast
lol no it doesn't.

>sitting on other side of map as Heavy
>enemy is spamming damage into you
>players dying is what allows pushes to be made and points to be captured, ie. a fast-paced game that isn't stalemating
>normally you would die to this spam
>Medic pumps you full of crossbow bolts from the other side of the yard
>you can tank spam practically forever
>Soldier spam will do about 30 damage to you per rocket
>Crossbow can heal away 150 per bolt

Crossbow slows down the game by erasing damage, which Prolongs The Fight. Taking damage and dying is what causes the game to be fast paced.

> everyone has fun with it being used 100% of the time
I don't, Slin doesn't, Mao-C doesn't, a bunch of other Medic mains I've talked to don't.
Exact same fucking loadout for three years running because there's no other (unbanned) viable options. It's BORING. Why bother having 13 weapons when you only have 3 that are viable?
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>>166355265
Hows about lower the ridiculous spread of the syringe gun while we're at it.
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>>166355656
>You can just fire 2 rockets and wipe them all out.
see
>>166354326
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baby DOES need a bottle, because baby doesnt seem to understand when he needs to shut the fuck up and suck it up instead of complaining about insults
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>>166355265
The only competition with the crossbow was the Overdose for the piddly speed boost, and only a few euros used it because even on release the crossbow was a direct upgrade from everything else bar none.

The buffs only did >>166354460
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>>166354326
>>166355817
>demoman just blows a sticky beneath medic and wastes it uber
its literally nothing
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>>166355757
Sure, I guess that wouldn't be too big of a buff.
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>>166355820
>if I keep insulting him, he'll be insulted
Yeah, that's not how it works.

>>166355817
I already have. See..
>>166355236
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>>166355671
>your argument is invalid because I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU DO BETTER
how could a person not make those shots from on top of the building
if a demo main can make them some of them at least from ground level then a fucking pyro main can make them from the roof
>>166355656
>your argument is invalid because YOU WERE MEAN TO ME
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>>166355896
>8 seconds of uber
>literally nothing
>sniper would've killed the whole crowd in <1 second

>>166355962
see
>>166355578
do you have brain damage that causes short-term memory loss? is that why you only play soldier?
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>>166355265
>didn't you watch the 10 minute video
No, I didn't
>Yet Syringe Gun also saw frequent use
[citation needed]
>medic is so powerful that you need a medic to fight a team who has a medic
Yes, it's a team based game
>t-the game woulda been betta if no meddic
Go play a game without medics then
>back in mah day
Yea sure whatever

Like I said, medic doesn't need personal protection items when he has a half decent team. Make the other needle guns fill a role beyond getting a lucky kill on a scout trapped in a narrow hallway and we'll talk
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>>166355962
idk, it seems to be working if youre complaining about petty insults instead of making a rebuttal

sniper doesnt need crit canteens to kill some petty uber meds
he doesnt even need to shoot them
he just buys explosive headshot and clicks on the giant

the soldier on the other hand, needs to buy crit canteens every round and waste them exclusively on the medics in order to kill them, instead of using them on a tank
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>>166356052
it is invalid because sniper literally cannot perform any job better than demoman

>>166356090
>two stickies before uber
>instakill medic
wooow

>two stickies after uber
>sends medic across the map away from its client
woooooow
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>>166356195
>>166356301
>soldier, demo, where the fuck are you going
>hold on we used all of our crit canteens, we need to go back and grab more to prove we're better than sniper
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>>166356301
because it takes longer to fire and reload two stickies than it does to press mouse 1 and then mouse 2 idiot
if you're using the Heatmaker, you likely won't even need to press M2 first
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>giving one single iota about man vs meme
literally lmaoing @ ur lives right now
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>>166355829
>The only competition with the crossbow was the Overdose for the piddly speed boost
No, in 2012 people were using stock Syringe Gun all the time, equally to Crossbow.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamuLPfQibU 4:40
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6Y00BQjOE
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94GAL3pYRIs
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT3j6pdY3G8
>The buffs only did >>166354460
But that's fucking bullshit and wrong.

Crossbow has ALWAYS had long range heals. That wasn't the 2013 buffs.
Crossbow has ALWAYS had the ability to kill at long range. That wasn't the 2013 buffs either.

All the 2013 buffs did was make Crossbow too efficient at its job, too powerful, overpowered, and that's why nobody uses the other options anymore.

Are you going to believe me now anon or do I need to give even more evidence?
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>>166355746
>Slin
KEKEKEKE
>Mao-C
literally who
>(You)
literally WHO

Citing people's opinions as your main leverage for being right isn't going to get you anywhere in an argument anyway. The time to kill in TF2 is actually very short if a team isn't shit. A crossbow heal is very often enough to negate a single burst of concentrated fire (a good rocket, a meaty scattergun shot, a sticky, a pipe or a combination of NO MORE than 2 of those). It takes so much longer to heal a damaged player with the medigun that if the situation is bad enough, it's better to just flee entirely and give ground passively.

The crossbow lets combat swing back and forth within pushes, giving combat another dimension while also speeding it up since heals don't have to rotate so hard to slowly pump players back to full/buffed.

>Soldier spam will do about 30 damage per rocket
Yes, but there's almost never JUST 1 soldier spamming max range rockets at a choke unless your team is actually completely pantsu-on-head retarded. Any team should be able to focus a crossbow's worth of health out of a player within the time it takes to reload (especially since the crossbow can't overheal). A 150 arrow is also a very long distance heal. Most arrows hover within 80-120.
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>>166356352
the whole point of using crit canteens is to make up for the rest of your team being awful so a sniper, spy, pyro, scout, and medic mains are in your server. you could go back to spawn in 3 seconds and then come back in another 3 and out dps them all combined instantly.

>>166356470
that webm proves you wrong, both classes are fully upgraded and it reloads back to 24 stickies very fast
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>>166356108
>No, I didn't
You should, it's a good video and you'd like it
>[citation needed]
see >>166356571. Syringe Gun saw frequent use alongside Crossbow in competitive/pub play prior to 2013.
>Yes, it's a team based game
TF2 is also a class-based game though. The point of classes, and class balance, is so that people can specialize in what they enjoy. When one class is so powerful that people are forced to play it even when they don't want to in order to have a fair fighting chance, you've failed to balance your game.

Being a team-based game does not mean that healers have to be mandatory. That's bad game design.
>>t-the game woulda been betta if no meddic
I never said that. Medic is my most played class. But he's also OP and it's fucking the game.
>Make the other needle guns fill a role beyond getting a lucky kill on a scout trapped in a narrow hallway and we'll talk
Overdose and Blut already do, but why use them when you could have the insanely powerful Crossbow?
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>>166356195
I haven't complained once. It's useless giving a rebuttal to someone as stubborn as that, It's like trying to talk to an wall with a superiority complex.

Anyway, Sure, here's your rebuttal.

>>166356352
You aren't wasting crit canteens because you don't even need one. You do enough damage.

And say for example one medic pops uber, you just shoot underneath the medic and he flies. No more uber.

Soldier and demo have the best mobility, high health and have a very high DPS.

Sure, keep playing sniper, enjoy your 1 hit deaths and horrible mobility. No skin off my nose.
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>>166356962
>i havent complained once
>complains right here >>166355656

i want you to actually play mvm for once with a real team on gear grinder and see how much time it takes until everyone votes to kick you
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>>166355502
yes, and then you need to get a face fulla festive and an industrial festivizer and top it all off with the insulated investor
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>>166356962
what about MY nose, playing with sniper fags NEGATIVELY AFFECTS ME maybe i really am an autist, but it really isn't fun to play in it's current state
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>>166356836
>tf2 isn't team based, it's class based
>all classes are equally viable and fun to play
>Being a team-based game does not mean that [class] have to be mandatory
By that logic soldier should be nerfed to high hell, too
The difference between a team-based game (tf2) and a """"class"""" based game (black ops 3) is that in one every class must be equally viable in combat to properly reward individual accomplishments, whereas the other requires all players to work together towards a single goal.
>le you're going to die to afterburn gun and le no passive effects gun
No, those are both garbage regardless of the crossbow
If the crossbow was nerfed right now I'd be using stock
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>>166357243
He's trying to make me defend myself.
Again, cute.

I wasn't complaining, I was calling him desperate. Which it was, I mean that's on the same level as calling someone "poopoo head". As soon as they try and make it personal, they've lost.
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>>166357441
if it really didnt bother you that much you would have ignored my comment about the bottle but it seems like you cant because you include something about it in every single post

even now youre mentioning it instead of brushing it off

grow up
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>>166356601
>Citing people's opinions as your main leverage for being right isn't going to get you anywhere in an argument anyway
You said everyone enjoys Crossbow being used 100% of the time. I provided people who don't enjoy it being used 100% of the time. So I proved your statement wrong. There's no need to shitpost like this anon, you're either here to argue or you're not. Moving on.
>A crossbow heal is very often enough to negate a single burst of concentrated fire
And since it takes minutes of dodging around and hopping about to actually land that concentrated fire on a player, you're doubling that time when the injured player gets hit by an arrow. Now it has to be done all over again.

>do 150 to roamer
>jumps away
>gets arrowed from combo
>can repush from flank immediately

>It takes so much longer to heal a damaged player with the medigun that if the situation is bad enough, it's better to just flee entirely

Which makes the game move forward. The pace of the game is slowed when people can just tank damage and come back for more. Crossbow expanding on Medic's healing increases his ability to slow down the game.

>giving combat another dimension while also speeding it up

I agree it gives combat another dimension but it's too efficient at what it does, and it doesn't speed up combat.

In a vaccum where only the winning attacking team had Crossbow you'd be right, because attackers would get kills, then get a heal to move on. But because Crossbow is available to both sides, it slows down the process of either side getting the kill in the first place.

Here is the natural flow of the game
>get hit
>lose HP
>give ground or die, game moves forward
with Crossbow:
>get hit
>lose HP
>get arrow, gain HP
>get hit
>lose HP
>give ground or die, game moves forward
Crossbow just adds an extra stage that slows shit down.
> Most arrows hover within 80-120
I'll concede that, but that's still a lot of healing in one go.
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>>166357564
You really think someone cares about what you wrote that much?

Your ego is honestly mind blowing. I'm not sure I've ever interacted with someone this far up their own backside.
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>>166356962
>if a medic pops uber then you just follow these completely unnecessary steps for things to be slightly more convenient in a shitty scenario that wouldn't have even happened if a sniper had clicked once
i'm not seeing your case
>mobility mattering in mvm
that's just silly
>>166357441
no completely ignoring a legitimate argument against your case and focusing on the insult they called you is desperate
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>i dont care about insults
<so im gonna complain about insults
?maybe that will show him
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>>166357843
Show me where he complained?
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>>166357812
Sorry, but where was the "legitimate" argument?
>you are going to get kicked

That's not an argument, that's just projection. I've seen sniper mains refusing to switch kicked more times than once.
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>>166357715
>I'm not sure I've ever interacted with someone this far up their own backside.
says the demo main who types like a 13 year old talking down to snipers in mvm of all game modes
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>>166358007
I'm not the demo guy.
But, again, nice try.
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>>166358001
this legitimate argument
>>166355578
>>166355450
where demos and soldiers need crit canteens to function on the same level as a "shitter class that drags your team down" but instead you bitch about how they call you names on account of the fact that you're a thickheaded dingus
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>>166358132
They don't need crit canteens. That was an example of all the ways they can wipe out a small platoon of medics.

Normal damage with the standard upgrades (rocket specialist, damage) is enough.
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>>166357378
>By that logic soldier should be nerfed to high hell, too
You can have a team of 6/12 without any Soldiers, versus an equally skilled team who has Soldiers, in a pub or comp game, and feasibly win. You could substitute Demomen, or Scouts, or Snipers, or Heavies for your Soldiers.

You can't have a team with no Medics against an equally skilled team who does have Medics and feasibly win.
>The difference between a team-based game and a """"class"""" based game is that in one every class must be equally viable in combat to properly reward individual accomplishments, whereas the other requires all players to work together towards a single goal.
But TF2 is both a class-based game AND a team-based game. I don't know why you're pretending it's not.
All the classes being balanced is not going to make the game stop being about all players working together towards a single goal.
>>le you're going to die to afterburn gun
Blut is actually pretty good against pyrofags because they run right at you for bulk healing, and pyros are uncommon in competitive. But yeah honestly it is probably worse than Syringe Gun
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>>166358224
so what you propose is that soldiers get up close to giant robots and their hordes of medics so that they can take advantage of their damage upgrade to its fullest potential, as damage falloff completely gimps rockets from a safe distance, or spend extra money on crit canteens solely to focus on these medics, or fail both of those and just wait for the medics uber to fade away, all of those, before having a sniper click on the giant's head once. or just stacking demomen apparently because you just love the taste of black cock in your mouth.
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I'm enjoy the contrast of watching a half civil argument and a shitposting war in the same thread
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>>166358132
youre not gonna be able to use crit canteens more than 3 times in a round, unless youre planning to waste everyone's time just in order to prove that you dont need a sniper

uber medics appear more often than 3 times and sometimes they are paired with other targets for massive 20 med + solly/demo/heavy pair waves

and more often than not you could have used those 150 credits on something actually useful

stop thinking out of your ass just because you got mad at a retarded pubby sniper who launched mvm for the first time in his life
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>>166358502
you just responded to me and i'm the retarded pubby sniper
i was making the exact argument you're making
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>>166358480
me too
its been too long since we had one of those

im enjoying every moment tbá Žh
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>>166357298
Yo!

Merry Christmas!
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>>166358415
This is the saddest display of bait I've seen for a long time.

It's time to stop shitposting and It's time for you to actually think for more than 5 seconds, you shit-swilling rancid cuck

>>166358480
This is surprisingly fun!.
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>>166358590
sorry im retarded and i dont even know who to reply anymore
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>>166358662
so instead of deconstructing my argument and telling me why it's wrong or why you disagree you're just going to call it bait and ignore what is, again, a perfectly legitimate criticism
are you actually fucking twelve years old because i refuse to believe a grown human being behaves this way, you're acting like i just called your favorite power ranger shit and now you're ignoring my reasoning for saying so and covering your ears screaming
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>all this tf2 debate and on-topic fighting
who are you people and what did you do to my /tf2g/?
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am i on topic
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>>166358782
>pointless insult
>pointless insult
>pointless insult
>Why are you ignoring what I'm saying?

Hmm... Well golly-g I wonder why?
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>>166358480
Honestly, I cannot believe that there is someone who thinks that it takes "a couple of minutes" to focus down a single target in TF2. What the actual fuck. This isn't the opinion of a human being--it's a potted plant trying to play a video game.
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>>166358837
pyro update hype (soon to disappoint us) and rewind LAN come-down
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>>166358275
>you can substitute your soldiers with X
Then why does noone do so?
Why is it that in pubs too, the class choice of anyone who's played the game for more than 100 hours is very probably very heavily gravitated towards soldier?
Not all classes were created equal, maybe they were meant to be, but such is not the world we live in.
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>>166358873
i made one insult in my post which is that you like the taste of big, sweaty black cocks shooting their pent up loads of thick, stringy, pearly white cum into your eagerly awaiting mouth. if you ignore that part like someone who isn't on the autism spectrum and look at the rest of the post where i call you out on your argument not making sense, you might see what i'm talking about. here, i'll highlight the part i'm talking about.
>so what you propose is that soldiers get up close to giant robots and their hordes of medics so that they can take advantage of their damage upgrade to its fullest potential, as damage falloff completely gimps rockets from a safe distance, or spend extra money on crit canteens solely to focus on these medics, or fail both of those and just wait for the medics uber to fade away, all of those, before having a sniper click on the giant's head once. or just stacking demomen apparently
not so hard is it? unlike the giant rock hard black cocks you can't help but crave the taste of every waking moment
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>>166358837
i need to prove this idiot is wrong because then its going to be the biggest achievement on this thread

>>166358873
>calls someone a shit-swilling rancid cuck
>complains about pointless insults

you can give mommy her iphone back now, timmy, its well past sleepy time
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>>166359072
I'm trying to follow this argument but you're really distracting me here anon
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>>166359197
i highlighted the important part
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>>166358958
>Then why does noone substitute their Soldiers with X?
But Soldiers are often replaced by offclasses in competitive play. For example at Rewind today, Seven had no Soldiers at least twice while defending on gully and snake. They had a Heavy, Pyro and Spy/Sniper lineup.
On the other hand, nobody EVER replaces their Medic. Medic is present 101% of the time. For the last nine years.
>is very probably very heavily gravitated towards soldier?
Healing is a niche interest for video game players. Most people want to get high K/Ds.
That's why you see three Spies and three Snipers in pubs, despite them not being the strongest classes and their players often losing.
>Not all classes were created equal
All classes can be made equal. This is a videogame, anything can be changed.

And hell, I'm not asking for Medic to be totally equal to other classes. I don't mind if Medic is a little bit OP, but the mandatory state he's in at present is ridiculous.
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>>166359152
The kid jokes are getting old.
But your cherry picking skills are improving.

Congrats! <3
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>>166359072
The hypocrisy in that statement is almost palpable.
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>>166359612
i called you triggered when i first replied to you but jesus fucking christ you really are so thin skinned that you can't take the slightest insult without shutting the fuck down can you? how have you functioned on this website? is this your first day posting?
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>>166359726
>you insult me
>I laugh at you
>You insult me
>I laugh at you
The cycle continues...
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yo when tf is the new thread gonna happen?
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>>166359356
>soldiers are often replaced by offclasses in competitive play
Not really though
>but in this example they had a defense, offense 2 glass cannons and a support
>why does every team always have a medic
Because it's the only actual support class
>anything's possible
Not everything's feasible.
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>>166359719
do you mean the fact that i'm still deliberately insulting him or the fact that i'm talking nonstop about black cocks because at least the latter is a joke
>>166359802
>i insult you
>you ignore everything else in the post but the insult and focus only on it as though it was the only thing i posted
>i call you out on this
>you ignore me and act like all i'm doing is still insulting you
demo mains everyone
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>>166359612
>cherry picking

the evidence is right there, i dont even need to point at it

>kid jokes are getting old

maybe thats because you keep behaiving like a fucking child
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>>166359807
Hopefully soon, so this shitpost war is over.

>>166359898
>tfw He thinks I'm the demo guy.

>>166359930
>If I keep using he same joke over and over, that makes it funny.
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>>166359930
>maybe thats because you keep behaiving like a fucking child
>he said, debating the pve mode of a children's cartoon shooter
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>>166360003
>he's not even the same guy
who the fuck are you, i don't care about you, get the other guy back, why are you even responding if you're not the same person and you have nothing to say
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>>166360070
That's a shame, you've put so much time into typing "black cocks", It almost makes me feel guilty that you never got to insult the random person over the internet you will never meet.

Have a good life, anon. This was fun.
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>>166360003
im not joking anymore though
you really are behaving like a kid
this is not an insult anymore
its a fucking statement

>>166360058
>children's cartoon shooter

excellent rebuttal from someone who visits an anonymous chinese imageboard about said cartoon shooter in the middle of the night
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>>166360265
>it's a shame you put so much time into writing a joke
also you're welcome i guess
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>>166360338
>night
everything doesnt revolve around you duder
>rebuttal
wew
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plz stop shit posting and post new thread, i need a new one to get my fix mang
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>>166360338
>demo guy leaves
>soldier guy leaves
>starts another argument
you cant make this stuff up
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>>166360607
thank you
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>>166279002
this looks like a stupid stunt i'd try to pull and i love it that much more for it
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