/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

>>165476158
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Don't be retarded anon.

>>165476264
I just copy and pasted the last OP. My mistake.

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So many threads in less than a day. What's happening?

>>165476858
New SMT announcement brought out the console warriors.

>>165476858
>What's happening?
SMT V announced for Switch and maybe other consoles and a new 3DS game.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
vote

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what if the new game is SMT4:Complete, featuring a third fuckboy messiah?

>>165476980
>maybe

>>165460485
>the legendary Monkey King is now a punk rocker with a super sentai mask
It's trash.

SMT HD can't come soon enough.

>>165477141
Fuck no, stop trying to fix the mess that is IV with more games.

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>>165477167
Yeah man modern SMT has way better designs

>>165477352
delete this

>>165477156
>i-it's called HD project guys it will be ported to the PS4!

>>165477541
don´t lie to yourself, anon

>>165477167
tbqh seitentaisei's design was garbage to begin with

>>165477352
I-I liked these designs...

>>165477930
No you didn't
And if you preferred Lilith's one I'll literally come to your house and kill you

>>165478182
They're cool but not better than Kanekos. Also Nirasawa's designs are really cool too apart from Medusa.

>>165476158
>that nekomata
FUCKING DISGRACEFUL

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>>165477116
Your meme poll is old and busted.
It's about time we start a new one.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304

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>>165478526
its fine

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>>165477352
I like michael also poor directing is a bitch Merkabah should had looked like pic related

>>165477116
no mt2 no vote

>>165477352
Except those were made by guest artists, not by the main artist of the series.

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>>165478541
ill include the spinoff poll in my threadly post now
thank you

Is Wu Kong worth carrying to endgame in Nocturne? Phys null, having every buff, and Hassahoppa makes it really hard to justify fusing him away at any point.

>>165478182
I did

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>>165478594
NO IT'S FUCKING NOT
THAT POSE IS SO FUCKING RETARDED HOLY SHIT

>>165479398
bitch

>>165479525
since they're taking p5's animations, the lying down pose is her knocked down one

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>Unreal Engine 4
It should be this way. Shitty P5 celshading won't feel right with the mainline game.

>>165479683
>muh smt is mature and edgy and has only the edgiest art direction
Epic
If anything it'll look worse since the models have painted on shadows and are designed with celshading in mind.

>>165478984
I did. He was alright. His null phys occasionally helped with Beelzebub

>>165477167
You just don't understand the thieves and their Chaosfaggotry.

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>>165479398
I'm coming for you.

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>>165479821
>not finished, barely scraped for presentation footage
>IT LOOKS BAS GUYSE
Neck yourself right. Now.

>>165479525
Whats wrong with it?

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>>165479683
Don't make me get out my autism again.

>>165480134
>SMT now just gets the scraps of Persona
;_;

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>>165480072
It looks effeminate. It's a demon. It should at least not look like a "please think of the catgirls" catgirl.

>>165480134
Don't tell me you're trying to imply that P5 model look better from the aesthetical perspective. Because its not. Comparing amounts of polygons from the two games released within span of 13 years is too stupid even for smtg.

>>165480134
Is that next-gen screen shot an actual one?
As in, emulated two generations older console look less pixelated?
Tell me that's just a bullshot.

>>165480336
SMT V will have double the amount of demons in it than persona 5 has

>>165480490
>Because its not.
Wew lad.
It does. I get that you hate Persona because memes and shit but it's a far better model you delusional fuck.

>>165480560
It will be a budget release buddy.
P5 has more demons than Nocturne did.

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>>165480392
>It's a demon
It's literally a fucking catgirl catgirl, always was, what is wrong with you?

>>165480578
>reading comprehension
Welp, never expected much from personacucks.

>>165468750
Windwaker was consistent. P5 looks all over the place and over-designed. Simplicity and tone is beautiful and holds the test of time very well, that's why nocturne still looks great.

>>165480858
In terms of art direction, the P5 model looks far better than the Nocturne one. Yes, it has more polygons but it also does a much better job of realizing Kaneko's artwork.
Fuck off.

>>165480934
>In terms of art direction, the P5 model looks far better than the Nocturne one.
Nice try. Go back to your manchildren lair >>/pg/

>>165480708
The usual, sleep & sickness.
At least that one has the decency to be on all four.

>>165481049
Jesus you're pathetic. When SMTV uses the model you hate so much you'll love it but you just have to meme about how terrible it is when it's in P5. Fuck off to reddit you cancerous retard.

>>165480134
Why did they lop off his chin? Is he encased in tinfoil?

>>165481173
Stop replying to shitposters.

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>>165478182
Old Lilith was boring, new Lilith needs a rework, but the concept is much better

>>165481173
It uses no garbage celshading, so its better by default. Again, fuck off back to your weeb general.

>>165481564
>Again, fuck off back to your weeb general.
Be a bit less subtle with the bait pal.

>>165481049
This guy was defending that terrible over cell shaded Michael in the last thread don't' bother with him.

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>>165481709
Holy shit thats even more disgusting than I thought desu.

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>>165482006
>it's okay when SMT does it

>>165482006
that doesn't look bad though

>>165482121
>Nickelodeon cartoonshit vs. calm art with serious vibes
>>165482123
More importantly its doesn't look good.

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>>165482006
The contrast is upped on the models shown after a fusion, but even then you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. That looks miles better than Michael’s godawful Nocturne model, and you can see Gabriel’s P5 model in the new SMT teaser so they’re gonna just copy that Michael verbatim so you better get used to it.
Oh who am I kidding this is just a Persona flamewar.

>>165478832
Oh shit. Strawpoll fucks up the input of the symbol "&".
But oh well, I don't think it matters too much.

This could be an interesting poll.

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>>165482318
Nobody here talked about polygons or models kid.
Nobody likes shitty P5 engine rendering full of celshading shit. Are you really this fucking dense?

>>165482306
It does though. You'll be jerking off to it when SMTV uses that model though.

>>165482306
>Nickelodeon cartoonshit vs. calm art with serious vibes
Epic. It's a better model than Nocturne's one.

>>165482318
Im just happy its not the shitty guest designs used in IV >>165477352

>>165482495
>Nobody likes shitty P5 engine rendering full of celshading shit.
I do. It's objectively closer to the actual art >>165480134
You know you don't have to hate it just because it's Persona right?

>>165482495
>Nobody likes shitty P5 engine rendering full of celshading shit.
Are you seriously going to resort to the celshading boogeyman despite it producing models that look miles closer to the concept art for them? It's a fucking anime artstyle you retarded fuck.

>>165482572
I hope the Sentai Angels never come back.

>>165482820
>You know you don't have to hate it just because it's Persona right?
b-but this is smtg

I want a SMT spin-off where all demons look like Sentai monsters

>>165482820
I don't give a shit what it is, as long as it has garbage tech cranked up to maximum, ruining designs in the process - its shit. Your opinion is worthless trash btw.
>>165482836
> It's a fucking anime artstyle
Well, its good to know that actual mainline is not a fucking anime and will be made on engine developed by and for the real grown-ups.

Btw celshading is not bad by default, celshading was used even in Nocturne and DDS. Its bad when it comes to P5 only, because only in that game it was fucked up badly.

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>>165483242
>actual mainline is not a fucking anime
lol

>>165483242
You fucked up anon. Too many obvious bait flags in one post.

>>165483359
Final is not a mainline though, its a fucking expansion for pussies.
>>165483416
You sure showed him, m8.

>>165482820
Dude, that armor is better shaded and they could afford more polygons since they had a fucking decade and two gens for it, but the cloth looks like tinfoil and the they chopped the chin off. Everything is overboard about the cell-shading.

Anyway, this whole discussion is pointless since you're both extrapolating from what has to be, what, alpha, maaaaybe beta footage that's obviously intended for promotional purposes (ie bullshots) on hardware we already know isn't going to be able to do nearly as much as the ps4 which already has the shortcomings you may or may not ignore. So how about you shut the fuck up before somebody starts hoyposting?

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>>165483551
>a fucking expansion for pussies

>>165483605
>ps4
In sweet dreams sonycuck
>but m-muh HD project NOT SWITCH PROJECT
Lmao@your life. Mainline belongs to Nintendo since forever, shitstains like Nocturne barely can even count as a proper mainline.

>>165482006
The torso armour is shit, everything else looks good to me.

>>165483847
The torso armor is the fucking problem

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>>165483958
Oh, but it was fine in Nocturne?

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>>165483605
>Implying it wasn't going to happen anyway

>>165484029
Jesus fucking Christ that's hideous.
You'd have to be literally retarded to think P5's model is anywhere near as terrible as this trash.

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>>165483359
>SMT IVA
>Mainline
pick one

>>165483242
>actual mainline is not a fucking anime and will be made on engine developed by and for the real grown-ups
lmaoing at your life tbqh

>>165484247
>Numbered game
>Not mainline
Even if you are gonna pull that shit - vanilla IV was anime as fuck too.

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Is FINAL actually even mainline?
I figured it was just a spinoff for IV

With P5 ane EO5, is anyone still looking forward to SMT 5?

>>165484403
No because it'll be by the Final team and be the last nail in the coffin. SMT hasn't been good since SJ.

>>165484403
No because it'll be by the Final team and be the last nail in the coffin. SMT hasn't been good since SMT II.

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>Game made with unreal engine 4
>g-get ready to eat P5 scraps SMT cucks

>>165484895
>game uses all of P5's models
hmm I wonder

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Is Bob Page Law?

>>165484403
No because it'll be by the Final team and be the last nail in the coffin. SMT hasn't been good since if...

>>165484895
Hmm do you think they're talking about all the models copied verbatim from P5?

>>165483831
Does seeing the mention of any console name trigger you people or something?
Basic reading comprehension would have let you understand that the hardware I'm referring to is the switch/nintendo console, which we know is inferior to ps4 hardware, which already isn't much to look at if they're not careful. (see: p5)

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>>165484390
I just considered it an extension of 4's endings, it essentially just adds two more endings to the game if Akira/Nanashi chooses to accept Dagda's offer and fuck everything up, if he decides being dead is better than punching YHVH in the face, then everything just ends with whatever route Flynn chose

>>165484403
No because it'll be by the Final team and be the last nail in the coffin. SMT has never been good.

>>165484403
No because it won't have futa.

>>165484895
>trailer literally features the exact same models and animations as P5's demons
>he thinks we're not just getting P5's scraps
Oh anon, you think there's going to ever be an SMT title that's not made on a budget again? Adorable.

>>165484403
No.

that trailer music makes me so excited for this, the first part already seems to be doing its own thing and different from IV/IVA's sounds

How do the ps3 DDS and Raidou ports run?

>>165486028
I don't know about Raidou, but I know DDS has some issues with sound effects during cutscenes.

>>165485273
At least superior Odin is new hopefully there will be other new demons as well since P5 'shadow' line up was quite weak.

>>165486028
DDS's framerate isn't so good and during a lot of sounds are out of sync so some cutscenes are ruined and same with some attacks. I've heard Raidou isn't good on PS3 either, but I can't confirm.

>>165486516
>>165486109
So is it better to suffer through the shadow glitch and just emulate it?

>>165486751
Sure, there's even some way to remove the broken shadows entirely so you don't have to look at them if that's your preference. Or you can just play in software mode and have working shadows, I think, but then you get native resolution.

Does anyone even really prefer FINAL's combat over Nocturne?
Phys skills using MP was a mistake

>>165488617
>Does anyone even really prefer FINAL's combat over Nocturne?
No.
>Phys skills using MP was a mistake
Agreed. Mudo/Hama changes were dumb too.

>>165488697
What they should've done was just being back the light/dark attacks that do damage, they shouldn't have just changed how Hama and Mudo work, that's fucking dumb.

>>165488617
Seriously? Youre either new or havent been here in a while. Everyone sucks 4A's dick over the combat.

>>165488837
P5 literally does exactly that.

>>165489027
I'm really hoping that they use p5's combat and fusion system in the next game at least from what I've seen of it since I haven't actually played it yet. What makes it hard for me to play nocturne is not being able to pick skills during fusion or knowing all who you could get.

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>>165484403
Yes because it will be devoped by Yamai's team and be another step to perfect the SMT formula. I love SMT games!

>>165489372
>I'm really hoping that they use p5's combat and fusion system in the next game at least from what I've seen of it since I haven't actually played it yet.
Well it's still not press turn, and I'd rather SMT stuck with that. But yeah, I think the next SMT could definitely benefit from picking a few ideas from P5, not just for combat, but the dungeons could learn from it too (saying SMT could benefit from looking at Persona's dungeons was a sentence I never thought I'd say, but here we are). Having Eiha/Kouha in addition to Mudo/Hama is a far better idea. The way it handles guns is interesting too, though I don't know if that'd fly with most SMT fans.

>>165485273
Like how Nocturne was getting Nine and Imagie scraps?
Or how Persona 3 and 4 was scraps of everything? Like the 3D model of Helel Lucifer didn't even match the SMT 2 artwork.

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>>165489668
No Cozy means its guaranteed to be shit

>>165489814
Yes, like those. What's your point?

>>165488617
I do. Combat was well, Nocturne did demon balance much better, though. There are waaaaay tol many demons now.

>>165489816
I want to fuck Jack Cirno.

>>165489950
Theres not enough demons anon.

>>165489746
>dungeons could learn from it too
From what I could tell with atlus stream the dungeons do look like the best that have been in smt in a while but I really do miss nocturnes surreal dungeons with actual puzzles.

>The way it handles guns is interesting too, though I don't know if that'd fly with most SMT fans.
Guns just use ammo instead of mp right?

>>165490059
Unironically can't tell if people are sexually attracted to Touhous
Most of them look to be like 10 years old at most

>>165490124
>From what I could tell with atlus stream the dungeons do look like the best that have been in smt in a while but I really do miss nocturnes surreal dungeons with actual puzzles.
Some of the later dungeons have actual puzzles, and the third dungeon has a really well implemented gimmick (security cameras). The last dungeon feels like it was literally ripped straight out of Nocturne though in its appearance, music, and puzzles.

>Guns just use ammo instead of mp right?
Yes. Physical gun skills use HP though.

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>>165490202

>literally ripped straight out of Nocturne though in its appearance, music, and puzzles.
Damn I'm looking forward to that. Who would of thought persona would be the smt game to bring proper dungeons back.
I suppose in the end I just want a game like nocturne but with all the life improvement shit that's in smt iv/persona 5.

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>>165491105
>Damn I'm looking forward to that. Who would of thought persona would be the smt game to bring proper dungeons back.
To be honest, I wonder if Hashino wanted P3/4 to be like this, but due to budget and time constraints they had to half ass the dungeon side of things. After Nocturne's dungeons, I can't imagine he was too keen to go and make a bunch of shitty random corridors. While P5 had at least 5 years of dev time, and clearly a far bigger budget.

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>>165477352
this is my favorite Gabby

>>165489746
SMT4 and 4A could learn from literally any game about dungeoncraft. TMS had some excellent ones and P5's look amazing.

>>165484895
>Unreal engine
>the same engine that killed DmC
lol

>>165484403
Not really, but if they manage to actually roll with 4A's improvements and hopefully get away from fucking ez mode press turn.

>>165493578
UE only killed DmC because it couldn't stand up to the superior MT Frameworks and there were more problems with DmC than the engine

>>165491429
>I wonder if Hashino wanted P3/4 to be like this, but due to budget and time constraints they had to half ass the dungeon side of things.
It wouldn't surprise me at all considering how much content they already have.

>While P5 had at least 5 years of dev time, and clearly a far bigger budget.
This makes me hope that they take their time on smt5 to make as well rounded as p5. Maybe it'll have a bigger budget if it's on a console (if the switch even fully qualifies)

>>165493434
>SMT4 and 4A could learn from literally any game about dungeoncraft
Those barely even qualify as dungeons. They're even much worse than p3/p4 sorry excuses for dungeons.

>>165488837
>>165489372
>>165488697
That's dumb.

Light/Dark end up being useless against bosses because of instant death, when they should be viable even then. IVA did it mostly right by making bosses immune to instant death and not wasting skill slots on useless magic. P5 got around that by adding more elements.

And Physical using HP when there's no defense stat is fucking dumb.

>>165489746
Hama and Mudo were damage spells in the Devil Children games, and even Nocturne had damage light spells.

Eiha/Kouha are persona specific skills.

>>165488617
SMT4A's combat is just better designed handily.

>>165494487
I agree with you there that they should be viable on bosses, but I don't agree that IVA's change is a good solution. I think adding more Light/Dark skills is the better option.

>>165494487
not having a defense stat is fucking dumb

>>165494906
Light and Dark as random slot machine insta-kills just dumb the game down.

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>based on 4

dropped

>>165489746
P5 Gun only worked on mind magic and isn't really viable, especially with how you'd likely buy bulks if bullets that cost to much, on top of expensive armor, weapons, compendium costs, and if they make it hard to get money at all as well.

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>>165494923
>Traveling on the world map in 4
>Run into an enemy blocking a route
>They get initiative because fuck you
>Whatever they're like 30 levels below me, they're plebs
>They proceed to crit every hit and smirk me to death

I want world of VIT back.

its probably gonna be a HD remake of SMTIV

>>165495218
Yoshida’s skills make money far less of an issue, and Shinya’s skills make the gun a fucking useful weapon, especially if you plan on getting a 100% compendium.

>>165495259
Why would they remake a 4 years old game?
Why would they remake the worst SMT?

>>165495012
This. I don't want smirk to return but if it does I only want it to make Light/Dark instant kills when you smirk. Maybe have enemies gain resist to all elements when smirked as well, but not to your own demons.

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>>165495259
the aesthetic and general feel of the trailer were nothing like SMTIV though

what do roses have to do with it?

>>165495313
And I'm saying its not really viable in not Persona games.

>>165495230
You're in world of smirk and world of random instakills pretending at "hardcore RPG" bullshit. No defense is not the biggest problem here. 4A worked without it.

Not that def stats shouldn't return, but we need a little more thought to the system.

>>165495629
Luck is a skill in its own right. Raidou 2 had it as part of the lesson. Bullshit means you have shit luck and can't survive in a world of chaotic variables.

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>>165495629
What do you want, fucking IV's and EV's? The simplicity of SMT's stat system is actually great. I do agree that smirk is bullshit though. I think DDS 1 and 2 nailed the press turn combat.

Anyone have a shut up and take my money edit with smt character?

>>165495819
Random bullshit is one thing. SMT is always meant to be kinda a random "Don't take it seriously" sort of gameplay. But 4's smirks are bullshit and you know it.

>>165495870
Fuck no. Simplicity is good. We don't need retarded Witcher/WRPG/Western Roguelike style mindless tedious fiddle stats.

Like I said, the system can work just fine as is. 4A proves it. The smirk issue is the big problem.

>>165495870

Shiny demons when?

>>165495870
Now I have to replay BoF 3 and 4.

I want to live in a world where cucksona last forever

>>165491429
You're gonna have to do a lot to convince me Fatlus has a magic dungeon artiste savant genius who only approves the finest dungeons known to man and is driven to despair when dungeons aren't on point when YHVH's Universe exists, when the entire game of Soul Hackers exists, and when EO has been lapping SMT on dungeon design quality since literally day one.

god damn fucking niggers

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>>165498434
You okay, anon?

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>>165498434
what did they do this time?

>>165495474
>what do roses have to do with it?
either directed by Kaneko or female protagonist

>>165499795
Directed by Kaneko and starring Kaneko too.

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>>165499795
>r female protagonist
gimme gimme gimme gimme

>>165499795
Women cant handle being messiah.

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>>165499795
starring isabutt

>>165498274
I don't know what you mean? I'm simply saying that given Hashino clearly put a lot of work into Nocturne's dungeons, I find it difficult to believe he was satisfied with P3/4's shitty dungeons. I'm not saying the SMT series or even Atlus have been consistent with dungeon quality at all, heck I'm implying the opposite and that SMT needs to step the fuck up with their dungeons precisely because shit like YHVH's Universe exists.

>>165490202
They all look like chibi adults: I don't understand anyone who says 2hu are loli.

>>165500873
>put a lot of work into Nocturne's dungeons
lmao my man
nocturne dungeons are literally half assed shit

>>165501605
t. someone who's never played nocturne

>>165501756
the nocturne that you played is some garbo shit that they made with NINE scrap budget because they fucked it so much.
So yes, is half assed shit
>dude corridors lmao

>>165491429
He tried having proerly designed dungeons in P1 and 2 tho, and they were clunky, boring garbage (like most of P1 and 2). I'm not sure why there was such a leap in quality when it came to P5. Maybe the mainline team helped them design?

>>165502437
>He tried having proerly designed dungeons in P1 and 2 tho
Hashino didn't make P1 or P2. Hashino started working on Persona at 3.

>>165501946
Oh ok so a good dungeon doesnt have corridors

>>165502487
Huh, you;re right, I never knew that. I always thought Hashino started on Persona then moved to Nicturne, but... he started on fuckng Maken X, then immediately got put on Nocturne? The fuck?

>>165501605
>>165501756
>>165501946
Nocturne may not have greatest dungeons but it still had decent ones with puzzles and shit while having a strong atmosphere that made it more than just random corridors that all look exactly the same like we've gotten in every smt game since.

>>165502846
While the only other title he directed before Nocturne was Maken X, he did work as a lead planner on a few other titles like If and Devil Summoner which he mentioned were key in him getting to be the director/designer for Nocturne.

>>165503260
>random corridors that all look exactly the same
but that's the true nature of SMT

>>165502437
>Maybe the mainline team helped them design?
lol no
Most of P-Studio is comprised of the team that did Nocturne anyway. In a sense they've been "helping" since then, and a fat lot of good that's done.
Nothing in the creative team for P5 seems any different to the other games, they just had more money and more time to work on it.

>>165501946

There's nothing wrong with corridors as long as they actually have stuff in them.

>>165503380
Even SJ and SH had puzzles or objectives to accomplish that made those dungeons relatively fresh.

>>165503260
Hpw is that true for the DDS games, DeSu games, or IV games tho? DDS and IV games both have tons of wide open spaces, multi-level spaces, and distinct design to the corridors in each dungeon that makes each feel different. Just from the beggining of IV, compare the winding maze like nature of Naraku's corridors that have no sense to them, to the structured, interlocking corridors of Ueno where there's a way to get back to the start from every area. And DeSu doesn't even have dungeons.

I'm restarting my first playthrough of DS Overclocked. Are there any consequences to the dialogue choices you pick?

>>165504807
yea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4fLwioQ-W8

>>165504925
Well I just blew through most of the prologue picking the first answers each time, I'll probably be better about it in the future. I remember most of them, anyway.

Boy those Jack Frosts are a hassle, my fault for fusing my Ogres into something that doesn't have resistance to Ice anyway.

>>165504692
There's not really anything to do in IV's dungeons besides run through them. DDS is more similar to Nocturne so I wouldn't lump that in here. But unlocking a few shortcuts doesn't mean there's anything particularly dungeon-y about a set path that you fight enemies on.

Naraku is the best dungeon in the game and it was a tutorial area, that's really damning for the entire game.

reminder that nintendo is a degenerate corporation and you should support them

I was always hopeful for a Nocturne HD Vita port back in the early days when tons of PS2 RPGs were being ported to the Vita, but niw the Vita's dead so it looks like Nocturne will be stuck on PS2 forever.

>>165505957
I'm not buying a Switch as it is right now, mainly because the launch lineup is dogshit and there's nothing good on the horizon except Mario and that could go either way.
But the main thing that's turned me off is how fucking awful NoA are, and the fact that they seem to have a huge influence, if not complete control over any Nintendo title in the western world. After seeing how awful recent """localizations""" from them have been, and how I'm able to at least undo most of the bullshit they've pulled with CFW on the 3DS and mods on the Wii U, I don't want to buy a Switch until it's hacked, because I'd have to settle for abysmal localizations if I do. Fuck that shit.
Plus they seem to be getting even more jewish lately with their paid online bullshit somehow being even more stingy than Xbox Live and PS+, and their continuing of the amiibo cancer. They're so fucking greedy it's disgusting.

>>165505957
bingbing WAHOO

>>165506520
>the fact that they seem to have a huge influence, if not complete control over any Nintendo title in the western world
wow, it's almost like they're in charge of business in North America or something

>>165506802
A few years ago, NoE would undo the bullshit NoA did, like in Fire Emblem Awakening's DLC, and removing the shitty memes NoA forced into their translations. However now European versions of their games are just as full of rampant edits and retardation as the American ones.

>>165506946
what's your point

>>165506520
The launch line up is fine actually. A huge release and 4 other games day one.

>>165507131
If you like. The only one that isn't total garbage to me is Zelda, and as a Wii U owner, there's no reason to get it - especially not when the game will almost certainly be dub-only and NoA historically put out the worst dubs known to man (and the new trailer sounds fucking awful). I'll stick to an undubbed copy thanks.
1 2 Switch can go fuck itself up the ass, and the other games are utter trash.

>>165495474
>>165499795
>yfw is a 7th dragon crossover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNlKNddRDmM

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>>165505957
B-But No More Heroes 3...

>>165507131
Yeah, there are 5 games I can say I definitely want in its first year, which is more than I can say for just about any Sony or Microsoft launch I've been part of.

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> Asahi just fucking dies
That was a bit sudden.
Shame I never cared much for her character.

>>165509971
lol you are baiting right

>>165509971
kek you wish

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>>165460485
>>165461682

What the fuck

Soejima needs to be lobotomised immediately

Who here cancelled their Switch pre-order after the official site revealed the game is also coming for PS4?

>>165510035
Not a clue what you mean, playing the game blind.

>>165510082
I figured as much. I want to hold onto hope that this game isn't Persona but EDGE because of how much I like the combat and fusion.

>>165480134
I don't like the shadows on the P5 model. Nocturne did a good job of getting Kaneko's shading, even if the colouring for the rest of the model was different.

I think P5 looks nice as a Persona game, but its way too stylized for SMT. SMT needs cell shading, sure, but it has to be a lot less overblown. I think Nocturne had it perfect in that regard.

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>>165510245
>>165509971
> A whopping ONE scene later, Krishna says "Everyone is alive in the Egg"

Oh, nevermind then my bad.

>>165510582
Keep playing.

>>165501605
Didn't he just direct the Maniax edition? Which means that the good dungeons in the game were done under his supervision.

>>165510147
I'm waiting on seeing how the new Xenoblade looks

>>165507550
Probably it will be ported for the PS4 just like NMH1 had a PS3 release.

>>165510956
Game needed a Divine Powers route so bad. It is so out of left field that Vishnu is a malevolent god out to zombify the entire human race or whatever they tried to force when his salvation could have been a positive alternative to YHVH.

>>165507550
>caring about post NMH1 Suda
He's not a director anymore.

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>>165511310
2 didn't get a port but still I hope you're right.
>>165511468
I remember a post on /v/ confirming he's gonna come back to direct the game after a decade but it might be false. I've tried looking for it but the archive is being a big piece of shit right now.

>>165511850
They included a few fights from 2 in the PS3 port.

DeSu is trash desu

>>165512214
agreed

>>165500725
IsaBITCH

>>165512214
mean

>>165511394
>trusting anything a demon says

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>>165511394
Is this Persona?
Is this just SMT?
Caught in a wheelchair,
No escape from DLC.

Open your COMP,
Look up to the stats and see,
I'm just a poor hoy, I need no Demi-fiend,
Because I'm easy Chaos, easy STR,
little friends, little Law,
Any way the route goes doesn't really matter to me, to me.

MA, just killed YHVH,
Put Satan against his heads,
Summoned my demons, now he's dead.
MA, reason had just begun,
But now I've fused and Amala'd it all away.

MA, ooh,
Didn't mean to make you die,
If... I'm not Neutral again this save tomorrow,
Dance on, Dance on as if nothing really matters.

Too late, full moon has come,
Sends MAG down my spine,
Burroughs's calling all the time.
Goodbye, Pascal, I've got to go,
Gotta hatch the cosmic egg and pass my turn.

MA, ooh (any way the route goes),
I don't wanna Talk,
I sometimes wish I'd never Hee-ho at all.

I see a little silhouette of Aleph,
Nocturne, Nocturne, will you do the Matador?
Thunder Reign and Gungnir,
Very, very frightening me.
(Salvation) Salvation,
(Salvation) Salvation,
Salvation Atlus
Kaneko-o-o-o-o

I'm just a poor hoy, Flynn trusts me.
He's just a poor hoy from a poor alignment,
Trust him your life for this Schwarzwelt.

Easy Chaos, easy STR, will you let me go?
Dagda! No, we will not let you go. (Let him go!)
Dagda! We will not let you go. (Let him go!)
Dagda! We will not let you go. (Let me go!)
Will not let you go. (Let me go!)
Never, never let you go
Never let me go, oh.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh, Masakado, Masakado (Masakado, let me go.)
Beelzebub has an Almighty put aside for me, for me, for me.

So you think you can enlighten me and smirk in my eye?
So you think you can toot me and pretend to die?
Oh, Alice, can't die for you, Alice,
Just gotta run out, just gotta run right outta here.

(big, green, big green)

Nothing really matters,
Any White can see,
Nothing really matters,
Nothing really matters to me.

Any way the route goes.

>>165510147
Why does this general get lame bait, we deserve better.
The switch looks neat and I liked Splatoon and MK8, so it should be fine.

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>>165510147

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This form of Shesha is pretty creepy-looking.

I finally got around to playing Apocalypse and feel conflicted. While the character writing comes off as very Persona 4 and stupid, I like everything else about it.

>>165488837
What games had light/dark damage skills?

>>165488617
>Phys skills using MP was a mistake
I disagree. Both possibilities, using HP or using MP, would have lowered the use of Phys-based demons and MC builds to some extent, but it's better to have to draw from a limited number of uses for the move and then have to stop using the move until you recover instead of drawing from a limited number of uses for the move and then have to stop using the demon until you recover. Or worse, for games that aren't Apocalypse, have to go all the way back to your most recent save, at the very least restarting a boss fight, because your Physical protagonist got killed. Yeah, to the "true" hardcore that's part of the tactical challenge, but it doesn't exactly endear itself to the new players they wanted the IV series to bring in.

>>165518509
I liked the characters myself.

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>>165518509
I would've liked for them to go and do their own thing when the MC says 'No, go away' instead of having Asahi say 'Yeah we don't need you around; but you're joining and that's that'.

In earlier games it'd be the other way around, and even if you wanted to stick with a character they'd tell you to fuck off and progress the plot already.

>>165518509
each boss fight is really well done and special in IVA, gameplay mechanics changing up along with music

I wish the Switch didn't look so unappealing. I can't justify the purchase of a console over a few games, even if one of them is SMTV

>>165520991
I look at it this way.
Because SMTV or whatever this project is was only just announced, it probably means that we have a while to wait before it comes out.

That means time for a price drop, or new hardware revision.
The Switch is going to be getting a few games that I really want, but if I had to guess the earliest any of them will come out is holiday 2017.

What do you guys think of Demon Whisper?

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As radical as Odin is, that fight was a joke, even on the apocalypse setting.
Will of Thunder -> Concentrate -> Thunder Reign was pretty cool though.
The only Divine Power fight so far that hasn't actually made me game over even least once.

Step it up, Wesker.

>>165521372
I like it

>>165517026
Holy shit leave this general please.

>>165521372
I hate it, remove it.

>>165521372
terrible, nocturne had the best system, also remove the affinity thing for the mc

>>165521372
whisper is great. magatamas are ok but the game doesn't provide you with enough information to actually get the moves unless you spend a ton of time grinding them up.

Magatamas would probably be better if they were done in a new SMT though.

>>165521534
no

>>165522053
What if Magatamas level up individually from the MC?

>>165522053
Magatamas should work more like DDS's Mantras.

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Who?

>>165524326
Cybele

>>165519812
The characters had workable concepts but the handling was definitely worse than Persona 4.

Will Preta get his dick back in SMT V?

>>165524891
not unless nekomata gets her titties back

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>>165524326

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Hi /smtg/, I'm a personaGAF member trying to reach out to some of the more uncivilized parts of the megaten fandom in hopes of making our community a more accepting place for newer members

You guys should should come and visit our community on neoGAF to learn how to be a bit more accepting of people with different alignments and especially preferences to sub-sections to the series such as Persona spin-offs and the mainline series

Oh, and my name on neoGAF is Levit0, you can shoot me a PM if you have an account on Gaf too, I am also on Twitter @Levit0

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>>165528775

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>>165528775
kys my dude

>>165528775
I seems you gender is not in agreement with my own. Prepare to die!

What even is neoGAF?
I've seen the pasta like a million times, but haven't bothered to check it out at all.

cucksona lol

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Was Sid going to rape Lucifer?

>>165530002
All I hear is that it is a forum that industry people tend to visit a lot, that aggressively shills for Sony, and that it is aggressively "SJW".

>>165530423
>SJW,
You mean regular non-fascist or facist people with a normal consciousness?

>>165530579
lol

>>165511394
He literally rapes Flynn via fusion, unlike everyone else ingame who asks for consent first. Masakado, Merkabah, Lucifer, your demons who will even willingly die for you in Satans fight.

>>165530579
What did you mean by this

ded thread

>>165538226
Dust finally settled after the teaser of new game. Now we wait for something with that 3DS one.

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> That Izanami fight in Apocalypse.

That was a long'un. Pretty fun.
I am THIS close to saying that Apocalypse has the best bosses alongside the best combat.

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>>165522053
>Watch roommate play Nocturne.
>Promised myself I wouldn't do any backseat gaming.
>He overwrites Focus.

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>>165539423
TDE is a shitty meme ending anyways
World of MAG is fine for the main game

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>>165524326
Would the demons look better in a cel-shaded style? Or using the P5 engine?

I saw like 1 or 2 complaints, and I am not so sure.

Is there anywhere to read the story of SMT IV A? I stopped after defeating Krishna and rescuing Flynn I think and want a refresher. would prefer to not have to replay ~20 hours of gameplay again

>>165539764
Meme it may be, it doesn't change being the best ending.

>>165540489
Here you go: it's shit. Now you can keep playing and you didn't miss anything.

>>165476980
>>165477541
>>165477761
explain why the 3DS one is called "真・女神転生 3DS" and the other is called "真・女神転生HD" instead of "真・女神転生Switch"

>>165481214
Soejima face.

>>165541892
Is it really as bad as everyone says? Not him but I'm going through IV:A at the moment and it's been relatively inoffensive thus far, aside from all the Flynnwank. Admitedly I'm only maybe 6-7 hours in though.

>play SMT IV
>Jonathan: "okay, we checked the Reds factory as Lilith asked us to, now LET'S GO KILL HER"
>no, fuck you, Jonathan, I want to hear what she has to say
>Lilith: "Ah, you've come. Now let us OPEN THE GATES OF HELL AND FLOOD TOKYO WITH DEMONS"
>Walter: "Yeah, that's a great a idea!"
>no, fuck both of you, I only came because I wanted to CONSIDER your proposal, I didn't sign up for this shit
Why is the alignment system in SMT games so awful? All choices are way too extreme.
It's worse than Bioware games, I swear to YHVH.

you know I like this new Odin design but does anyone else think he looks like he came straight out of the MCU or something? I could imagine him as a villain to the avengers with a slightly washed out color palette.

>>165543552
>version of a Norse god
>looks like he could share a screen with a different interpretation of the Norse gods
Shocking, isn't it?

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>>165543552
>>165544006

What about this one?

>>165543552
>I was also inspired by movies about Norse mythology and I thought that portraying Thor and the other Norse gods as aliens was an interesting idea, so I emphasised the alien (for the Japanese) image of the Ultra Hero.

Yeah.

>>165544006
Yeah actually. You know the MCU has its own style and all.

>>165543524
>waaah why isnt there a friendly and morally superior option
This is real life pal, either you die or are enslaved

>>165543552
Didn't Doi outright say that it's the combination of Ultraman + MCU?

>>165543524
SMTIV somehow ended up worse than SMTI in that sense - since many alignment choices are made before you actually get to agree to go along with the mission. Compare with SMTI, where most choices were presented right before a boss battle, allowing you to skip it if you agree with the boss or choose to face them.

Part of the problem was that SMTIV's staff set out to make Neutral a good ending of sorts (not just the most "balanced" faction that avoids resorting to radical choices involving the death of many), so they attempted to make getting neutral harder, rather than going for a more natural progression.

>>165543552
His basic design concept was directly inspired by how the MCU had the Norse gods as aliens, although his actual "alien" design is based on Japan's Ultraman, thus the completely covered body.

>>165544589
Funnily enough I actually somehow managed to land onto the neutral ending route on my blind playthrough.

I beat nocturne in ten hours

>>165544426
To be entirely fair, that too fits within the existing mythos. Not only are mythological figures like the Norse gods being used as our superheroes, but the modern understanding of superheroes has been theorized, on many occasions, to be the latest incarnation of the same urges that caused men to tell stories of gods and heroes before. Humanity needs stories that fulfill this basic pattern, but differences in interpretation within the pattern can emerge creating new gods from old ones (hence Dagda somehow having once been the same god as Odin, and Danu having once been part of Inanna) or modifying old ones (all the ancient Near Eastern deities demonized after YHVH worship took over), and the modern secular version of this pattern more closely resembles the Thor of the movies than the Thor of the original myth. So having changes to existing gods start to sprout up as the world culture changes around them, in particular as the superheroes of the MCU start to get over outside America, isn't surprising.

>>165543482
once you get the whole group it turns into persona tier writing

I'm emulating SMT 4 (not apocalypse) and am wondering whether I should go full wurldofstr or full magic. The pastebin says both are viable, but I could have sworn I've seen people say that magic is outright superior in SMT4.

>>165545230
>I'm emulating SMT 4
how? i thought 3DS emulation wasnt good enough yet

STR is better with the right skills but MAG is easier to manage

>>165545230
>emulation
How?
Is 3DS emulation finally at that point?

So was there any reason that YMVH was spoken as a weird sound effect rather then his actual name in Apocolype?

>>165545289
>>165545287
3DS emulation is wobbly as fuck.
Some unofficial builds tend to run certain games better, so it's a scavenger hunt for the one build that works for your system and game. The one I'm using isn't too amazing and cutscenes have extreme slowdown, but it's playable so far.

>>165545328
His real name is hard for Humans to comprehend

>>165545328
YHVH is *record scratch* as a way of trying to get over just how alien to and "above" everyone else He is, mostly. Also because some religions visible in Western countries but invisible in Japan have strong traditions against saying the name of God, and the record scratch helps get around that because a lot of people in the entertainment industry belong to one of the religions in question, but it serves the former purpose better and they still used a distortion to get it over in the Japanese version. It doesn't help that, thanks to various reasons, we don't know how His name was actually supposed to be pronounced.

>>165545619
So he's always been pronounced like that?

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So I just started hashtag and honestly I don't get you guys.

If this is all about gameplay for you, then #FE - hands down, - is the best megaten since SJ. Seriously, despite all the sacharine bullshit exterior, its actually as much as story-dependent game as SJ. Its like 5 hours of pure teethgrinding gameplay and then like a 5 mins of stupid generic anime cutscenes. Its silly difficult on Hard, much harder than Final if you ask me. Why can't you give it a chance? I had a honest blast with it last night, its like playing cranked up version of DDS about idols, it feels so fucking satisfying.

>>165546042
does it work on cemu yet

>>165546042
Because I don't have Wii U.

>>165546234
Nope, it still looks like a MDMA trip.

>>165546042
I might give it a shot.

>>165543524
>Wha-Wha how could I possibly kill a demon who has turning people in Mikado into demons for her own entertainment?

>>165546042
Presentation matters. Branding matters. I don't even like Persona 4: Dancing All Night, a darker take on the careers and (if you'll forgive the pun) personas of idol singers, because it shouldn't be adjacent to Megaten. I like idols. Idols are cute, and their music tends to a kind of happy pop music that was sorely missing from the American pop scene last year. Subtitle those AKB48 game shows, and they can be fun. But it's not Megaten. I like Vocaloids too, but having a Miku Hatsune article on the Megami Tensei wiki feels like putting peanut butter in your macaroni & cheese: both are good, but they do not go together. This even before gameplay enters the equation. Hashtag FE is even worse, because it isn't even trying to look like it's taking a nuanced position. It's using idol singers and the culture surrounding them to pander to fanboys, and that's only not Megaten, that's not even interesting in a fictional context. I want that, I'll watch the actual idols. Add in the fact that the name of Fire Emblem outside of Japan itself has been tarnished by the Nintendo Treehouse's actions, making the game in a non-debilitated form inaccessible to anyone who can't speak moon or doesn't own a Japanese (or region-unlocked) WiiU. I'm even more against censorship than I am against pandering trash, so that provides more reason for me to not touch it.

It's not "all about gameplay", at least not to me. Never was.

>>165546042
because I hate the character designs except for the green haired girl and then i find out her super form has a really awful design

Character design is a very important aspect to me

>>165547154
>Add in the fact that the name of Fire Emblem outside of Japan itself has been tarnished by the Nintendo Treehouse's actions

Why are people STILL overreacting over this in 2017

>>165543524
>All choices are way too extreme.
Have you ever considered neutral?

Also, when the whole world is flooded by demons and even Tokyo, one of the final remaining cities, is on the brink of collapse, you need extreme measures to fight back. Teaming up with either demons or angels doesn't sound too bad.

What are your favorite depictions of each alignment throughout the series?

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I hope SMT5 will not be designed aroud shitty p2w DLC like IV and IV:A. There is no way to make money for endgame demons and endgame equipment. Especially at "war" difficulty because of retarded prices. And "apocalypse" difficulty is unplayble without DLC

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>>165539423
> Finally at what I assume is the big route choice in Apocalypse.
> No fucking idea what to pick.

I feel like I'd be daft to pick Dagda, having chosen the FRIENDS options throughout the game (mostly). The issue is, the main reason for that is the alternative options throughout have mostly been "be a cunt for no fucking reason".
On the other hand, fuck the very idea of a BONDS route in a Megami Tensei game.

Which route is harder and why? I've been playing the game blind on the DLC Apocalypse difficulty. Maybe I can be swayed towards the harder setting if it's hard for a good reason.

>>165548670
I've sworn to myself that I'll beat the Apocalypse difficulty without DLC. I've made it this far.

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>>165549232
I didn't mean to reply to the first guy.
My bad.
Have another hoy.

>>165549232
>Which route is harder and why?
How much do you know about the final boss battle?

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>>165549771
I know it's YHVH. That's it.

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How do I fuse ''Kushinada-Hime'' in nocturne?

I think I need usume for that but what with, I'm not sure

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Complete your own bingo, I'm curious about which games /smtg/ have played most
inb4 too lazy to include all last bible and demikids titles

>>165543369
That's why I said "maybe other consoles", there's nothing confirmed yet.

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So is this related to SMT in ayway?
Is it good?

>>165550770
Download Heretic Mansion and reverse fuse it.

>>165550650
It's a bit harder if you team up with Dagda

>>165551938
No and no

do you consider smt an rpg series?

>>165552398
what kind of retarded question is this

this series started out as wizardry clones

>>165551185
i played half of DeSu and nocturne in 2011 but stuck posting here instead

>>165552442
why do you consider these games without proper RPG elements RPGs?

>>165552595
list some proper RPG elements

>>165552595
I can RP edgy bitch and kill all my friends in IV:A
I can even say "sorry nothing personal" before final blow. To everyone.
Real darkness -real RP. Not some friendship magic persona shit

>>165552730
your decisions often do not hold much weight in these games. your ending may change but your path is generally the same as every other player regardless of which decision you make. you also cannot customize your character so you almost always have to play as a homosexual

>>165552041
>Heretic Mansion

holy shit that's useful thanks so much

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>>165552949
>you also cannot customize your character so you almost always have to play as a homosexual
HUH

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>>165546042
Should have been here when the game came out. Most comments were positive.

Everyone agrees that its weebshit and the idol theme is stupid. But the gameplay is generally agreed to be great.

I can't tell whether I like or dislike SMT IV's fusion system.
The demon search thing is neat, but it'd be better if it were optional.
Then again, maybe I'm just too used to the entire "select two demons and cancel out until you get the desired skills" thing.

Did Apocalypse change this?
Also, how come some people refer to Apocalypse as Final (and vice versa)?

>>165553087
You're welcome anon, just read the pastebins next time.

>>165552949
Video games generally suffer from that problem, there are only a few games, if any, with "deep and complex" decision making. SMT games have a long common route and later on it branches into different endings, based on the decisions you make during the common route, I'd say even this is a success if you look at RPGs in general, your choices will actually lead to different endings.

We have 6 mainline titles. IV and IV: A have customization, to a degree, and you can see your character; I, II and SJ are first person dungeon crawlers. I don't see how this is a "proper" and "crucial" RPG element.

>>165510147
>The official site revealed the game is also coming for PS4?
?

Anyone got the Krishna toots as he pleases image?

Persona fag here is YHVH like the ultimate god? Like theres a shitload of gods and I need to one which one is the best/strongest

>>165554320
mem alpeh

>>165554320
Great Will.

>>165554484
>>165554515
????

>>165554583
Gods in SMT are powerful depending on the number of people believe and worship them. So, the whole thing is a piss race, mostly. It's not clear what "Great Will" is but YHVH is generally the biggest bad.

>>165546042
I tried this on my cousins wiiu since i sold mine to get ready for nx/switch and enjoyed it. I wish theyd do a quick port to switch so i could play it on my own.

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>>165551185

>http://eirikrjs.blogspot.com.br/2015/09/SMT-identity-crisis-final.html
smt iv btfo

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>>165551185

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> Figure I'll just slay Krishna for the last time before I go to sleep.
> Vishnu-Flynn happens.
> Not long into the fight he becomes a FUCKING SITH LORD

I can't tell if this is the coolest fucking thing or the dumbest.