/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

first for dolomite

>>165288804
eh, dolomite is a cool guy, eh used for walls and doesnt afraid of anything

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post forts

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>>165288804
>>165288991

>>165289282
>those size-warping wagons

I always forget how bad non square shit looks

>>165289587
Isn't it weird how your eyes are all squarefagged up and it looks wrong to you, but I can't figure out what you're talking about?

I can't seem to wrap my brain around the quest log in adventure mode. What exactly is the small map and how does it relate to the travel map?

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>>165289587

For a fort of 110 whats the ideal number of military dwarves you should have? I was thinking 30, 20 axes and 10 maces who act as guards to defend caverns and entrances (less mess with maces than axes to clean up)

>>165290795
Depends on your threat and their equipment/training. there is no one size fits all answer.
Lose a few more fortresses and you'll be able to estimate better.

OFFICIAL RANKING OF NON-ECONOMIC STONE

SEDIMENTARY(THE BEST)
>Dolomite. Sedimentary, magma safe and flux. Best stone in the game. Even looks pretty.
>Limestone and Chalk. Sedimentary flux, looks nice.
>Everything else

IGNEOUS(TOLERABLE)
>Obsidian. Not flux, but still pretty fucking cool. Easily the best igneous layer stone
>Gabbro. Only way to get diamonds or nickel. Not hideous. Otherwise unremarkable
>Everything else

METAMORPHIC(TERRIBLE)
>Marble. The diamond in the rough, marble is the only good metamorphic layer stone. While it doesn't make up for metamorphic's other gaping flaws, marble at least mitigates some of them
>Quartzite. Cool name, not hideous, and magma-safe to boot. Vastly superior to the alternatives
>Everything else

CANCEROUS SHITGARBAGE(THE WORST)
>Schist
>Conglomerate
>All non-layer, non-economic stones with the exceptions of Cobaltite, Olivine, Serpentine, Cinnabar, Jet and Graphite

SERIOUSLY FUCK THIS SHIT
>Conglomerate

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>>165290313
Small map is what you've seen from your position while you travel, so you can see distant peaks and such, towns that aren't obscured by mountains, rivers, forests, etc.

If you know the location of an event you can zoom the cursor to that location and figure out which way you need to travel.

I had the idea to try and alter the gm-editor army teleport tweak I use to aim it based off of the quest log cursor but couldn't get it working.

Though I am testing out the expanded metals setup I was working with another anon on here a while back.

>>165291125
I can accept these terms.

Trying to figure out how to trap and transport something big and murderous so I can have gladiator fights.

Anyone done this before?

>>165291729
>Anyone done this before?
No, you are the first to come up with the idea of traping and transporting big and murderous things for gladiator fights.

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Approaching into the third year of the autism fortress. So far it seems to be going fine, a kobold thief and some macaques cause us problem, but luckily i had made my steel axedwarf squad by then. We are currently in the process of making some macedwarves before we are ready to breach the caverns and get some indoor pastures and shrubs set up.
We've somehow run out of stone, though this map only has chalk and jet and microline but fuck that shit so i need to mine holes in the mountains far from the fort, which could be risky with these cliffs and stupid animals.
Luckily, the river is frozen, so if they fall we can atleast recover the corpse.

>>165292214
I wasn't asking that literally, you actual autist, I was asking for help.

>>165292341
Sorry, I'm only a figurative autist, and therefore I am of little help to your problem.

>>165291125
All 5 of the fluxes and obsidian are economic stones.
Gabbro doesn't contain diamonds, kimberlite does, which is placed by default in your "cancerous shitgarbage" category.
Your list, by default, places siltstone, mudstone, sandstone and chert above obsidian, marble, and all manner of other excellent stones, which is objectively wrong.
Kimberlite, bauxite, brimstone, petrified wood, rutile, mica, pitchblende and microcline, all patrician stone choices, are in the "cancerous shitgarbage" category.
Basalt is a pretty cool guy, he's magma taking it easy.
Cobaltite is dirty nigger that ruins otherwise beautiful marble formations.

Your list is bad and you should feel bad.

How buggy is latest version? What's up with no Therapist?

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>>165292779
>mica

>>165293062
Don't talk shit about mica.

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>>165293062
>disliking best rock
I bet you're into orthoclase you filthy deviant.

>>165293749
>>165293931
Fuck off mica shills.

Is there a way to set up custom profession lists like dfhack or therapist without using either of those? Going through each individual dwarfs labors is a pain in the ass.

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>>165294067
Name another mineral with cleavage this fine. Protip: you can't.

>>165290659
>wanting squished distorted text
Who default master race here?

>>165293749
>>165293931
The only thing worse than orthoclase is mica.
Mica is like if you ground up orthoclase, shit in it, mixed it up, stuck it underground for a few thousand years and then called it a rock.
The only nice thing to say about it is "At least it's not conglomerate"

>>165290795
Maybe 40:
20 axes and/or swords
10 hammers
10 crossbows

>>165295031
>crossbows
Why not just atom smash your useless dwarves instead? It's quicker, easier, cheaper and more effective in fortress defense. Lower mortality rate too.

>>165295464
Crossbows are good for toxic fume or webber FBs.
If there is a FB that can web or insta-kill your dwarves you should use crossbows.
But go ahead and send your legendary axe lords into a cloud of unknown toxins.

>>165292341
And I was making fun of you for not understanding how to do a simple thing. I don't even understand what you're having problems with.

>>165290795
I think maces are almost strictly worse than war hammers, aren't they?

>>165295582
>Crossbows are good for toxic fume or webber FB
Not really. They'll shoot once, forget they have quivers, drop their crossbows on the ground and then suicide charge whatever you told them to shoot at. Usually they'll miss too, since skill doesn't affect anything about ranged attacks except the recoil(it takes about 3 days unskilled and only 1 day when you're legendary+5) and even if they do hit, it will do pathetic damage. Assuming it even hits something worth hitting and not the ear or the third finger right hand, it has to be lucky enough to penetrate the skin(extremely rare thanks to how small bolts are) and then hope to chip a bone or pierce an organ(again, unlikely due to how small bolts are). They cause almost no bleeding whatsoever, so the only way a ranged attack will ever kill anything is a lucky shot to the heart, throat or eyes(assuming it manages to get through and pierce the brain)

Crossbows are pretty much only good for crippling unarmored enemies from a distance, things that won't pose a threat to your unarmed marksdwarves when they bug out and start meleeing(assuming they don't die from jumping off your battlements).

>>165295772
Hammers hit deeper. Maces pulp faster. Prior to the pain nerf, this made maces a bit worse in combat against living enemies of sizes close to normal civilized creatures, who would often have a bone broken or chipped by a hammer in a couple of moves, pass out from pain, and have their head exploded. This advantage that hammers had lessened as the enemy got bigger, and was practically nonexistent for the most dangerous enemies, which neither was particularly suited for. Maces had a slight advantage against undead, due to a higher contact area equating to better pulping potential.
Now that pain isn't as much a deciding factor in combat it's hard to say which is better against gobs and such, though hammers are probably still a little better. In practice, though, either one's superiority would only be a factor for equally kitted and skilled opponents, which isn't ever the case in fort mode. You can give your dwarves whatever weapons you like and they'll stomp all over normal invasions without issue.

>>165296360
I station them behind fortifications overlooking a long/serpentine path that the FB has to walk along to. They will keep firing and can cripple and eventually bleed the beast to death.
And even if it's not a poison/fire/webber FB it can still be good to let them cripple/wound the thing before letting your melee dwarves at it.

l2fortification anon

>>165297378
Not that invasions are really a thing to worry about in this version. They are extremely rare.

>>165296360
You're wrong on a few counts.
Marksdwarves will empty their quivers before they consider entering melee range. They'll only do so if they have an unobstructed path to a visible enemy, including climbing paths. In most cases, roofs (for archery towers) or closed shooting galleries (for interior defense) will prevent them from being able to do so. Being unable to reach an enemy in this situation, they'll take a pickup equipment job to reload (possibly with some "interrupted by scary thing" cancellations along the way). When a marksdwarf does find itself in melee, they don't drop their crossbows. They use them as melee weapons, using the hammer skill. Bolts of sharp weapons-grade metal will almost always pierce anything they hit of a softer material. Bronze, iron and steel bolts are highly effective against nearly any threat a fort can face.

>>165298185
They're really not. Maybe you're just making poor embark decisions. Or is this an old ebin meme come back to life?

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>>165288804
>>165289382
>>165288991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzlTr-3sBlU

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MICROCLINE BEST ROCK

>>165292779
Microcline is straight up immersion breaking ingame with its elliptical formations.

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What the shit?

I just figured out the reason I can't track down my squad leader is because she was kidnapped from another site, imprisoned at this fort, then later elected to a position/given a squad while still imprisoned, but since forts don't have spots for prisoners she's in limbo unless I can get her to appear properly with gm-editor.

>>165294881
Definitely. curses_800x600 is where it's at.

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>>165302017
Default+1 master master race.

>>165291729
Of course not.

Well I use phoebus.

>>165292338
>skybridges
Fuck yeah

What mod should I install to get more colorful types of wood? Either adding new trees or recoloring existing ones would be fine. I've been building an above-ground town out of wood yes I am aware that this is heresy and I hate how every single building is the same ugly-ass shade of brown.

>>165300760
Well, couldn't get her to show up and don't wanna risk dropping her identity into a dummy unit so I just swapped the position/squad to another dorf, I'll see if I can find her later on.

>>165292338
>fSnowine of dwarves!
I enjoy the sprawl, dig that whole fucker out and line the cliffs with windowed rooms like a natural skyscraper!

>>165303387
Find this line:
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]

Under it add this line: [DISPLAY_COLOR:X:Y:Z]

I think it's 1:7:1 for bright blue, 2:7:1 for bright green, 3:7:1 for candy cyan, 4:7:1 for bright red, 5:7:1 for bright purple, 6:7:1 for bright yellow, 7:7:1 for white.

You can put a 0 on the end for darker versions and I think changing the 7 alters how minecarts/barrels display?

>>165303859
I don't really want to plug in random colors myself, though I suppose I can if I have to. I was sort of hoping somebody had already done the work of picking colors that are at least somewhat based on the RL appearance of the wood.

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>made it all the way through the aquifer on the left side
>screw up while trying to finish the right side as well
>entire bottom level is now flooded to 7/7
Fuck.

>>165305434
Most woods are already brown, birch is white, fantasy woods are fantasy colors. What's the problem?

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>>165305434
Ah.

>>165306632
Birch is brown according to the wiki. The only aboveground trees that aren't brown are featherwood (white) and glumprong (purple). And those only spawn in good and evil biomes respectively.

It's not really a problem, I was just hoping there was a mod that could add a bit of variety, like what you get underground with all the different colors of stone. But I've finally got my glass industry up and running, so maybe that will help.add some variety instead.

>>165307820
Yeah, the things you make with birch become brown for some reason, probably because it just uses the default template >>165303859 referenced. The trunk, branches and logs are white, though. Which is probably not what you're interested in, I see.

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>>165307820
Well, from looking around more, yeah, there should be a lot more variety in the colors.

>>165309020
The raws actually use lots of different shades for wood: peach, tan, olive, rust, etc. There's a file somewhere giving a specific RGB value for each one, and they're all different. But the game's algorithm for mapping from RGB to the 16-color display palette maps every single one of them to brown.

>>165309512
Yeah, tossing that [DISPLAY_COLOR:X:Y:Z] line in the wood definition is what is important apparently, almost all the woods are left brown, even stuff like birch. I'm playing around with some colors after noticing that persimmons and ebony are in the same family and deciding fuck it, that's enough justification for me!

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>People who engrave the entire floor of their rooms

>>165312798
What objection could you possibly have to engraving rooms?

>>165312998
I'm talking about people who just engrave the floors of their rooms corner to corner. That shit looks like ass. Please, engrave only the walls of your rooms and if you engrave the floors engrave it in a pattern, like perhaps in a ring two tiles smaller than the wall.

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WHY THE FUCK ISNT THE DRAGON BURNING THOSE STUPID TROLLS

>>165313092
You mean in non-obscured mode only? Or are obscured engravings also a problem?

>>165313354
Now I'm not sure what you're talking about

>>165302440
They're the best thing honestly, stop cave adaption but don't expose dwarves to sunlight so they're happy and not puking.

>>165313474
You can set engravings to be "obscured", which makes them display differently on the screen but has no other effect (it doesn't hurt room value or anything). I think obscured engravings look the same as smoothed walls/floors, but I don't know for sure.

>>165313728
Oh, huh. I never knew that. Well, in that case, that's acceptable. I meant visually, engraved floors that you can see typically look bad and clustered

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>>165313474
>haha kid let me tell you how to engrave your shit
>by the way how do engravings work

>>165313930
100% agree. I always set ENGRAVINGS_START_OBSCURED in my init files for that reason. There's also a way to toggle obscured/non-obscured for specific areas from the designation menu.

>>165313316
Is the dragon hostile? If so it's probably too busy destroying that statue it's standing beside to.give a fuck about some trolls.

>>165313983
>Ever wanting to engrave something and have it not show up visually
What a fucking copout. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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>>165313983
Word.

>>165313659
Once a tile is light it's light forever no matter what you build there. If if's outside/light it doesn't reverse cave adaptation, it just stops it from progressing for the few ticks while the dwarf is on the tile. At best they'll just make it take a little longer for cave adaptaion to set in. Outside tiles (which are always light) are required to prevent it, and will trigger negative effects in dwarves that have already become cave adapted.

>>165314774
Well, in this case you can.

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>>165314397
No, is a well-trained war dragon.
A troll go into his chamber and free the damn thing and now is going rampage, I hope it don't die.

In other news, a fucking human crossbowman go ape shit just when the siege hit, he kill a carpenter and injure two other dwarf before it was put down.

>>165315191
>rampage
Post combat reports.

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>>165315649
Is just killing everything in 1 to 3 hit, fucking brutal

>>165316274
Very nice. Seems the gobs have gotten a few hits in on it. Assuming it survives, let's hope it doesn't get infected. Even if it does fall, that's as good a way to spend your dragon as you're likely to get.

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>>165316274
Goddammit, I know it, fucking dragon

>>165315027
Shit, second sentence should say inside/light, not outside/light.

>>165316849
Is the dragon incinerating your own military now? I can't really tell with that tileset, but those look like dwarves in the room with it.

>>165317418
Yes, and I can't even order to kill it because is my own pet

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>>165317237
With tiletypes the flags are skyview (sv), subterranean (st), and light (l). Skyview is the inside/outside, subterranean is whether it is above/below ground and can't be undone as I recall. When you're in adventurer mode you get the "you can not see the sky clearly" when inside.

newfag here, I installed a new tileset, and I think I did it wrong because 1/3 of my screen in fort mode is taken by the menu, with the little map it it's 2/3.

how do I fix this?

>>165319685
Hit tab

>>165319754
I did it to hide the little map, but I want the menu on to know what I'm doing. Is there any way to keep it like it is without tilesets?

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>>165298185
>>165297378
>>165295772
I've been getting super fucking frequent invasions, with well over 50 invaders per siege. It is terrifying.

I need to deal with this but I don't want to resort to
>traps

The biggest problem I'm facing at the moment is that my military dwarves just run out of steam, while they can deal the first 20 invaders with minimal losses, the next 20 shit all over them because they're collapsing from exhaustion.
How can I train them to have better endurance?

Oh, I do have a bit of candy, thanks to a rather long vein I found, and a little steel from trading but otherwise everything I have is bronze.

One arrived as I was typing this... it's fucking ENORMOUS.

SEVENTY. THREE. INVADERS.

I only have 47 soldiers and most of them aren't that great, because after the last invasions I greatly expanded my military, but fuck me. 73. Help.

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>>165319909
Which tileset, if it's square they're going to be wide as shit.

>>165320178
Oh, it's square. A shame really, guess I'll have to stop being a lazy fuck and get used to tab.

Thanks.

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I like the idea of having festivals, but there are a couple things which bother me about them right now. One is that since they're currently worldgen/legends mode only, you'd think they'd be presented a bit better in legends mode. As it is, however, they spam the histories with around half a dozen minor events each time the festival is held. Why can't they just have all that stuff in one event, or at least cut it down by half by just having "the storytelling of the festival occurred" rather than "the storytelling of the festival began" followed by "the storytelling of the festival ended"? Is there any way that something else can happen in between the beginning and ending of a part of a festival?

The other thing that bothers me, though only a little, is that they use incense, but there's no incense in the game yet. I want there to be procedurally generated incense recipes for each culture, which may or may not vary according to time and place and other circumstances. Like maybe the goblins might use sliver barb in their incense or maybe after Urist Mcexplorer tamed the elk birds of the deeps in 89 the dwarves start using a new type of incense made with elk bird fat or something.

>>165319936
Jokes on me it's actually seventy four, another one arrived. I'm hoping that'll be all.

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>>165320503
>>165319936
EIGHTY INVADERS. AH. AH. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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This man watched a werebear kill all of his friends and family. he felt nothing and then he was mad. 16 dwarves of 21 lost.

>>165318662
Yeah, there are three tile attributes, and each of them has two possible states. You don't need tiletypes to see them, in fort mode they're displayed at the bottom of the right pane when you're looking at a tile. The light/dark and aboveground/subterranean attributes are kind of redundant, as aboveground tiles are always light and subterranean are always dark/inside. The only variable is whether or not an aboveground/light tile is inside or outside.
How they behave in relation to cave adaptation is a bit counterintuitive and seems to confuse a lot of players. For preventing it, inside/outside is the important attribute. Dwarves that never go outside will still become cave adapted regardless of how much light they get unless they spend literally all of their time on inside/light tiles.

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>surrounding by 7 goblins and being shot by 2 bowman and dodging like is nobody business
Goddamn, trances are OP, the nigga only has 5 in dodger too

>>165323685
There should probably be some kind of limit on the number of possible dodge successes in a given increment of time. Like maybe every dodge roll gives an agility-dependent penalty to dodge rolls for the next 20 ticks, or something like that, so that after so many dodges in a short period of time it becomes increasingly less likely that subsequent attempts can succeed. A similar system could work for blocks and parries. That would probably go a long way to fixing the current issues with legendary militias being invincible even when grossly outnumbered.

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>>165323685
>after 6 pages of pure dodge and kill 2 goblins he finally passed out from exhaustion
You did good, little dwarf, you did good

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>>165324317
F

>>165320637
Why is there an opposed to life creature in your goblins' army? And is it fighting the invaders?

>>165324419
rest in places

Been a while since i played but a bunch of my dwarfs are distracted, is this bad an how do i fix it?

>>165328652
It's the replacement for tantrums and bad moods.
It slows down their work and reduces the quality level of their products. A distracted legendary armorsmith is about as likely to produce a masterwork as a dabbling armorsmith.
You fix it by letting them do things they like, like praying, reading, dancing, spending time with relatives, or making stuff.

>>165328809
>like praying, reading, dancing, spending time with relatives
Huh... how do i go about building/allowing them to do said things?

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>>165328865
My grand master leatherworker burned to death, leaving no corpse for me to bury, so I made a slab and a statue instead. I'm happy with how they turned out.

>>165330314
"The colour russet made her happy"

;-;

>>165328865
You need a tavern and a temple. Make a meeting area zone (i) and assign it as a location.
A library is less vital, but lets dwarves fulfill the "abstract thinking" need. Designated the same way taverns and temples are. You'll also need some bookshelves, and books.

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Hey hey, that's not easy to see, even with 3 mega/3 semimega starter pops I usually end up at year 400+ in the draconic age or something.

>>165332494
The golden age? What needs to happen for a world to pass into that age? I always get the age of myth.

>>165332679
Major powers dead (it went age of three powers > age of dragon and minotaur > age of cobim something (minotaur name) > the giant age (one giant was still alive) > the golden age

>>165333312
There also need to be enough civilized critters. If one dominates, it does "age of the Dwarf" or something.

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>>165333587
Yar, that isn't a problem in this world, something like 19k pop.

>>165320637
Update. There are now more invaders than the population of my fortress.

>>165334338
it's alright bro all you need are 10 legendary dwarfs and they can take on anything by themselves

>>165333715
>High evil north and south
>Evil watching over the center inland sea
>necro towers dotting the center

Burn that world to the ground anon

>>165334475
It'll take a while, but I'll do what I can.

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>>165313659

>>165333715
that is one evil place you got there dude.

>>165334842
Nah, it really isn't, I turned down the evil a lot to get enough civs to survive so the powers would get taken out after a bit of history.

>>165335174
25-50%ish of that map is evil or turning evil....

>>165335326
Yeah, I've gotten playable worlds with civs clinging on in like 10~25% of the area pretty regularly once I got perfect world figured out.

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>elves

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Why is my broker prioritising a green activity over doing his job?

so what happens to the world after you breach hell? (and of course fail to kill most of the helldemons)

>>165339514
All demons gather in some random spot in the countryside, and then just stand there doing nothing for the rest of history.

>>165294778
well...thats actually a fine cleavage

>>165314803
did he die?

>>165328809
>It's the replacement for tantrums and bad moods
It's not a replacement, it's a different (but related) system. Stress still exists as a separate system, but in practice it's nearly impossible to actually see dwarves unhappy enough to flash a red arrow or throw a tantrum.

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bumpaloo

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I've been playing with Lazy Newb pack for months, but the fps death every fortress ends in is pissing me off.
Should I update from 42.03 to 42.05? I use tilesets and DFhack intensively, to the point I cant play without the latter.

>>165345835
Well DFhack and most tilesets are updated to 43.05, so I think it will be fine for you. TWBT doesn't work with 43.05 yet, I think, so some tilesets won't look as good but still.

Also you should consider reducing the popcap if you haven't.

>>165320448
>I want there to be procedurally generated incense recipes for each culture, which may or may not vary according to time and place and other circumstances. Like maybe the goblins might use sliver barb in their incense or maybe after Urist Mcexplorer tamed the elk birds of the deeps in 89 the dwarves start using a new type of incense made with elk bird fat or something.

I get you senpai, probably will happen eventually, when we get scientific and magical researching
I cant see any other use for alchemists than to research and prepare useful substances and/or potions

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bombelono

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I dont have any military

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>>165350969
>flying giant spiders

>>165350969
Do you have access to magma

>>165351108
No. I've just built into caverns and theres only water so far.

>>165350969
>flying spider
Wouldn't matter much if you did.

>>165345835
>>165347664
Normal tilesets don't need updating anyway, and graphical tilesets only need updating when new creatures or professions are added, which hasn't been the case in quite a few updates.

>>165351180
Then use water to drown it

>>165291125
Needs more microcline hate

>>165351238
what does have to do with incense nigga?

>>165351108
>>165351107
>>165351238
>>165351296
It's dead.
Took 100 of my dwarves lives.

>>165352205
Well you have to make a better drowning chamber next time.

>>165352272
They punched it to death.

>>165352305
Damn, your drowning chamber was really bad then.

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>>165352205
>100 dwarves
>still has no military

Nigga what ?

>>165352487
I didnt have one.

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>>165288618
PRAISE KEK

>>165352550
Wow, you really suck at this.

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>>165352537
I thought my problems will go away if I build wall.

>>165352731
Your problems will go away if you build a wall

And a ceiling

>>165352731
You need bigger walls

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>>165352731

>>165352731
Good wall reduces problems but not erases them.

What the fuck those dwarfs even doing if you have so many of them but no troops ?

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>>165353090
>>165352965
>>165352943
>>165352797
>>165352652
>>165352537
>>165352487
>>165352272
>>165351238
>>165351108
>>165351107

Never forgetti.

>>165351889
Linked the wrong post. You can probably tell which I meant to link to.
Incense is cool in my book, whatever tileset you use.

>>165291729
Move the cage, add a lever to it, pull lever, realize you fucked up and your dragon is now free to kill all your dwarves

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>>165352965
>a fucking fence
>even though there already is a fence
2016 had some of the dankest memes.

>>165352205
Well, show us some carnage.
I never fuck up this bad anymore, I have to get my fun vicariously through /dfg/.

>>165316274
>Dragon latches on firmly
>Dragon breathes fucking fire

>>165339509
He's on break, OSHA regulations

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>>165339509
>>165356206
:[

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Cavern cages paid off. 80 cave gator kids.

Why doesn't locking someone's joint prevent them from attacking you with that limb? I want to see what it looks like when someone in an armbar punches the attacker in the face with the barred arm

Why is this game so easy now? I haven't had my fort properly set up for years and only one dwarf is upset about it and that's only because he just got here.

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>>165288618
>kea edition

>>165361250
Time to be an adventurer

>>165361250
as in real life, the answer you are seeking it's alcohol

>>165320637
Boar fiends? As in clowns?

I want to trade only one class of object, what is good to trade that don't rely in fuel or crafts?

>>165361616
Prepared meals.

>>165361813
Too easy

>>165359381
very smug

>>165361941
Okay then. Lumps of clay.

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>keas

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>>165365425
HOL UP
What youse tryin' to say is
*flaps wings*
Uhh lemme get this straight
*dodges all your hunter bolts*
Whatchu sayin is
*flies on high orbit*
that WE
*steals anvil*
WUZ KEANGZ AND SHIT

>>165366831
>>165365425

why do keas behave like that

has toady never seen a kea?

>>165367764
Have you?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBdvRCkCNfo

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxoCuRuHlt8

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v22KUYUFwmU

>>165346092
>>165345835
I know this is 5 hours late, but theres a (beta?) version of TWBT that's compatible with 43.05 and the alpha4 version of DFHack.

>>165367764
They don't have a lot of keas in the pacific northwest. However I have it on good authority that keas irl steal anvils on the reg, and that new zealanders are constantly dying of dehydration in trees due to keas. Trust me, my dad works for kiwis.

>>165368292
I see 0 anvils and 0 wheelbarrows.

>>165369010
The point is, they're known for stealing things, as well as not being shy around humans. As soon as carry capacity gets implemented, they're gonna be spot on.

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>>165369181
Now that we're on the subject, in what ballpark would you place the rate of travel of a laden kea?
And how would a kea transport heavy objects?

What's the easiest way to remove all these useless fucking children my dorfs keep having?

>>165370079
Wait 12 years.

>>165370079
Put them, their friends, their families, their friends' families, their friends' families' friends, and their friends' families' friends' families in a trash compactor and pull the lever.
Make sure you have a few slabs ready.

>>165366831
probably one of the better memes i've seen on this subreddit. I give it 1 and a half upvotes, and a reddit silver.

>>165368306
Oh, I didn't know that, cool.

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>>165371125
t. meme snob

>>165372123
I'll have you know my father is the hammerer of this fortress and he'll cave in your skull if you don't take back that slanderous name you just called me.

Elf.

>>165340620
>anon last thread
>new
>can't into well
>wereweasel child attacks
>finally kill it
>one dorf injured
>doesn't know what to do
>doesn't even have a well or hospital
>guess he is laying under a drawbridge
>...welp

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>>165372741

Cant wait to 2078 when Toady is going to implement Criminality, and banking systems, and parliament n lawmaking and political revolutions not to mention agendas

never had so much problem from werebeasts, a werebear killed most of my dwarves then i got a migrant wave to replace all the lost dwarves then a werebison killed everyone. Do werebeasts get the relative strength of the beast?

>>165376838
They're big, noexert as I recall, nopain.

>>165376838
yes. you get the average stats of the creature you transform into, so a werebear or bison will fuck a dwarf up.

>>165377565

i never experienced an actual scary werebeast i usually got wereturtles or werellamas and laughed as i murdered them. the combat logs were brutal no one lasted more than a few seconds against either beast.

>>165370079
>go into creature_standard.txt
>find dwarves
>delete [BABY:1] and related baby tags
>change [CHILD:12] to [CHILD:1]
>change body size tags to [BODY_SIZE:0:0:3000], [BODY_SIZE:0:168:15000] and [BODY_SIZE:1:0:60000]

Congratulations, all dwarves over a year old will now be fully grown adults. This will require a new world by the way.

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>>165369867
Depending on the kind of kea and the flaps per second. Maybe more keas could work together to steal something heavy?

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>>165377894
I got a wereass once. Thought I was gonna get twerked to death and started laughing like an idiot.

I later remembered that "ass" is a synonym for "donkey".

>>165378872
>This will require a new world by the way.
Nah. You can make changes to creatures without needing a new world for them to take effect. I haven't tried doing this particular thing, but I would guess every child dwarf would become an adult on its next birthday if you made this change to a world in progress.
It's mostly just entity changes and new reactions that require a new world.

>>165379652
IIRC some of them, like body size, don't play nice with pre-existing worlds.
They'll grow up on their next birthday, but they'll still be child-sized.

>>165379826
Could be. That's a hard thing to verify without external tools. I would think that their growth rate should increase to whatever is necessary to meet the adult size by their next birthday, but I really don't know. I don't really care enough to science it myself, but I would be interested in reading someone else's results.

>want to get into DF again
>no Therapist
JUST

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>>165379338
Heh, probably think the pic is in reference to you, but it's actually for: >>165381154

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>>165376146
>parliament n lawmaking
pic related

>>165381709


Ill admit it ive never played unntil ive gotten a king

Is there a pop req or some play time needed

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>>165382045
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Monarch

>>165382045
dont worry, guy on pic related was talking about how the future government system would work
getting a monarch now adds nothing of value

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>>165382151
Why do dwarves take their children with them on dangerous jobs?

>>165345774
needs a star of david or something lol and 'evidence' that he's a jew

>>165382892
Builds character.

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>"latest news"

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>>165383568
>Builds character.

>no sedimentary layer
What should I do to get weapons and armor without iron?

This or Rim?

>>165384781
Votoms or Macross?

>>165382892

>Cmon son you cant even wrestle a giant cave spider, when i was your age i could single handily bite the face off cave ogers and i could stare goblins into suicide

>Kid: but daaad (giant spider dragging the webbed kid slowly into its jaws/pincers

>Dad: you are such a disappointment kid

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>>165385395
He's actually managed to survive so far despite getting attacked by a crundle, nearly drowning, and his parent abandoning him when I sent a squad down through a safe mineshaft. Unfortunately half the fucking fortress thought they should wander down there as well for some reason.

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>>165382045
Neither have I, weirdly enough.

Had a human queen once, though.

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>>165386171
Also the resulting flooding of the cavern below has killed my FPS and therefore my fort.

>>165334421
How do I get that though? It's not like danger rooms work anymore

>>165391105
It's not like danger rooms were ever necessary to begin with.

>>165392164
I have had a barracks set up, and my dwarves train in it. none of them are legendary, even my first squad.

I've dealt with 14 trolls because they rushed ahead of the main force. Also there's now 130 invaders total (including the trolls I've already killed)

When is someone going to steal the source code and make a better fork

>>165387695
I let the game run for a little while and my FPS has gone back to normal. I also managed to save everyone except for a single soldier.

Your have been captured by elfs and tossed in a wooden cage in a wooden shed in a the great oak in the forest

How do you escape bear in mind you are naked and only get leafs to eat and they check up on you every 4th hour

also your cage is guarded by a dire rooster

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>blob of water

>>165394258
Obviously I give the guard a mug I made out of leaves, the mug contains a cage which contains me, when he drinks me I climb out of the cage and explode him from the inside, the rooster starts feeding on the elf goop everywhere, I brain it with the skull of my ex-guard, skin it, and wear a loincloth made from dire cockskin as I systematically set fire to the tree before removing the ears from the survivors I leave to tell the tale, obviously.

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>>165395871

>>165394258
Jokes on you, I'm Mcgiver

>Break one of the bars made of wood by chewing on it
>Shit on the leaves and leave them to dry out
>use sticks to make fire
>use dried shit/leaves as fuel
>escape cage
>use fire with rooster
>make the elves that come to check what happened follow a fake trail of chicken nuggets
>stab them with flaming stick
>use their clothes
>use leaves they brought to feed me as a trinket to cover my humane ears
>walk away calmly
>after bringing the rest of the fire to the whole forest

Easy brah, throw something harder man

>>165396316
>use their clothes
But their clothes aren't man-sized. They won't fit on you.

>>165397453
>not being a dwarf

so has the equipment mismatch stuff been fixed for military equipment? or do i still have to go through and manually equip every dwarf

>>165394340
Yeah I've had a few of those over the years of playing DF. They're always extremely underwhelming. I even had a hill titan recently in my current fort. It was made of brass, so even my bronze weapons easily defeated it.

>>165397853
As far as I can tell it's fixed, just make sure your uniform replaces clothing.

>>165397974
thank fucking god

>>165398218
You'll get it if you've got say, a human citizen and there's no human sized armour around. Just make some armour the right size. Hit (d)etails on the job.

>>165397974
Metal/rock FBs can be quite scary. I got a steel quadruped once. Rip in pips fort

>>165399227
Yeah a steel FB is just horrifyingly unkillable. I've never had one, fortunately.

>>165399514
Wish they were that tough in world-gen, I've got better-than-steel megabeasts that get murdered by camels and shit.

>>165402404
maybe he had adamantine camelshoes

>>165404839
...
>tfw you read "adamantine cameltoes"

>>165405090
>adamantine cameltoes
Bru, Im adamantines now

how do stop dwarves from taking step ladders from dwarves when there in the tree getting food?

What if Toady added some penalties for building mulitple z levels?
- Bring back cave-ins
- You have to build stronger supports for each z-level above you
- Penalty to time/energy for going up stairs and ramps
Right now things are kind of unlimited and good fort design doesn't matter as much. The game should force you to strategically design things.

Step ladders are a terrible idea and just turn the game into babby mode mobile game difficulty with free infinite fruit and free logs. Toady should take out the awful looking new trees which are just infinite free lumber but he's too busy taking suggestions from reddit to please the fans and the game will never be good again.

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>>165379338

>>165408716
Wait what, how do stepladders enable infinte wood?

>>165394258
>elves
>naked
Well, elves as a culture greatly value three things, nature, romance and art. They are also naturally altruistic and forgive easily, and since my punishment wasn't exile, it's definitely a crime I can redeem myself of.

>Make sure I'm working out every time the elf guards come to check on me, and make sure it's suggestive as hell in a sensual, romantic way
>When they're gone, loudly sing and recite poetry about the about the values of nature and love. Make it sappier than the tree I'm imprisoned in
>When not singing or exercising, make small talk with the dire cock, or at least as much as I can without an elf's animal telepathy
>When one of the elves inevitably begins to yearn deeply for my release, and embrace, and offers to free me and allow me to join them in endless romance among the trees, decline the offer, saying that the guilt for my crimes ways far too heavy on my heart, and that unfortunately self-exile is the only way to redeem myself
GG EZ. 12 hours tops.

>>165407816
Don't make stepladders.
Literally the only way, since only the youngest available ladder will be used, and they're marked as available while being stood on.

>>165409316
Add another spike termed "adventure mode" that goes to about endgame WoW level and then drops back down to 0 and it's perfect

>>165410273
The new trees give way more wood than you can use up. In the old days you had to use wood wisely like and the more you cut down the farther you had to go to get more. Like a video game mechanic in a video game. Now it's just free logs and free food forever so you don't have to worry about challenge anymore. Just do stuff! It's a simulation experience!

>>165408029
Gravity and mass of constructions being added, with tensile strength factoring in, so a wooden structure would be lighter but support less mass, a stone structure requires different methods but is very sturdy, metal structures can be built more like wood but support much more than either if built properly.

>>165411013
Don't forget one for modding.

I went from pulling shit out of other mods to the other day resurrecting the varied steels idea and fleshing it out so it's fully functional on my first try, reactions, different properties, displayed names, all of it.

Fun fact: meat cleavers use axe skill and can thus be used to chop down trees as an adventurer.

>>165411163
You could always embark in a biome without trees.
It's not like wood was especially rare before multi-tile trees anyway, unless you embarked on such a biome.

>>165411163
[TRUNK_PERIOD:10]
[HEAVY_BRANCH_DENSITY:0]
[BRANCH_DENSITY:50]
[MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:8]
[BRANCH_RADIUS:2]
[TRUNK_BRANCHING:0]
[MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:1]

Put that in your trees and you'll get a couple logs each, play around with the values some if you want, bitching about a problem when you have the tools to fix it, is like standing in the rain and whining instead of getting an umbrella or going inside.

>>165411753
Umbrellas when?
>In all written records, the oldest reference to a collapsible umbrella dates to the year 21 AD
Slap some tallow on a piece of cloth, put that on a wooden or metal handle, and then get your farmers to stop bitching about rain.

>>165411753
I'm not asking for a solution I'm asking: Why does Toady keep developing the game to be worse until it is unplayable garbage?

Are dfhack and the rapist updated for 64bit yet?

>>165413363
because he's not going for playability. He's going for depth and accuracy of simulation.

Maybe Rimworld is more your speed.

>>165413569
The latest DFhack alpha hasn't given me any problems and it has a built in version of therapist .

>>165413363
Toady is developing a fantasy world simulator, it being playable comes second to that.

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>>165413990
Ñ

Do you think there will be another autist of Toady's caliber in the 22nd century to truly usher in the new age of VR?

Mind you, not this fake """"""""""""VR""""""""""" shit that is only 3D vision with head mounted displays. I'm talking matrix VR that plug into your brain and simulate every sense there is, not just a couple. Calling this trash 'VR' is like calling those awful wheeley things 'hover boards'.

>>165414234
Only one man as autistic as toady can be alive at any given point. So as long as we don't hit any major life prolonging medical discoveries in the next 10-20 years I'd say we have a shot at it.

>>165414234
once toady does his research for the magic update he will become immortal and bring us to a new age of dwarf fortress

>>165414234
The best thing we can hope for is a VR interface to interact with DF akin to Armok Vision.
Toady's autism will not be matched for centuries to come.

>>165414831
>Implying Toady doesn't have perfect clones in cryo just for when VR happens

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>>165368292
wtf i hate keas now

>>165414947
>you will never live to see a team of Toadies produce the perfect game

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>>165413363
It isn't a goal to make a good game, I think it's supposed to be a good story generator.

>>165413363
Because Toady doesn't care.

>>165413748
>>165413915
>>165419621

dwarf fortress is an unfortunate events simulator

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>>165421458
With a side order of atrocity simulator

>>165421614
there needs to be a torture mod desu

Taverns are pretty bad. Is there any benefit besides having a bunch of smelly foreigners to lag your fort and having more useless citizens? Why does Toady develop the game backwards so it gets worse? Maybe someone should go to his house and rotate his chair around?

>Dwarf Fortress just announced to be ported to Switch

Rooms are pretty much pointless without cave-ins. You could make your fort a giant stack of rectangles made out of up/down stairs and it would be just as efficient as your intricate moria fort and that's why the game is shit

>>165425157
>just as efficient as your intricate moria fort
I think you mean more efficient because a design like moria is expressly putting form over function.
Until free, instantaneous teleportation with no drawbacks exists, a giant stack of rectangles will always be more efficient than moria.

BLOAT PURE BLOAT

moria is shit, reminder that durin's folk were the dwarves most friendly to elves

>>165424797
Frankly I would pay a monthly fee for multiplayer in this game.

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>FPS dead already
God, it only has been 4 years and only the first cavern, this fortress has being so fucking painful, that waterfall just finished killing my enthusiasm for this shit

>>165425875
I think I'll make a mod for it.

By the way, what's a good muslim country to go on a biking trip?

>>165426158
I hear Lebanon is nice.

This game needs
- cave ins
- need for structures to support fort levels
- going up stairs tires dorfs and takes time so you can't build infinite z levels
- slower mining
- slower skill gains
- slower military training
- some goblin machine that can punch through your walls
- goblins can dig into your fort after a long time
- significant difference between cost of building materials and materials' defense quality
- can't farm on dirt without watering it regularly

I know he took away cave ins because of 3D caves, maybe the game can distinguish between caves and player structures and only make those cave it?

>>165426401
Go play Rimworld, faggot

>>165426401
Things will come in time. It's better to let frog do stuff in his own manner than asking for priorities.

>>165426401
invaders digging would be fucking sweet. currently if you want all you need to do to be invincible is retract a bridge. having to build moats and shit would be so dope. but even without playing like a man and not using traps, bridges, and meeting things head on it's just so fucking easy. all you need are some legends and they'll tear through ANYTHING except a webbing creature. idk if it's trances being super op or what, but having a couple dwarfs take down a siege solo just because they trained for a few years is kinda boring. to keep it interesting you gotta have some peasant force or some shit to send in

>>165426702
Toady is just an old quack going crazy from sitting in his room all day. Most of this stuff was in the original 2D release and it has been going downhill since then.

>>165427201
How hard can it be? If they can't find a way in they just begin tunneling towards the spot in your fort with the least distance to the outside, just like a normal dwarf. I bet toady could program that in a week but he's too busy making the armies move in a ~*realtime simulation*~ and fucking up the game.

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>>165426401
>>165427201
>wanting diggers
>wanting filthy goblins fuck up your fortress design
Worse than elfs

>>165427640
The point is to force your fort into being well designed through gameplay threats. Three tiers of siege engines 1. giant multilevel step ladder to get over your walls, so you make multiple z levels and enclosed forts 2. swinging log to punch holes in your walls, so you have to use good materials with multiple thickness 3. Specialized digger goblins. Gobbos are shit at digging so the take a long time, so you have to build far into the earth and reinforce the area

>>165428320
>spiked wall tops with boiling liquid chutes
>counter-sappers, areas where digging in from the wrong direction means you end up flooding your own tunnel or collapsing it on yourself or falling into the caverns

>>165428320
Building destroyer are fine, diggers are not, they are anti-fun, they complete fuck up your designs with no way to fix it and even if they also implement a way of counter this (harder stone or something) you would need to create a double layer of wall which would fuck up ALL current fortress design, FUCK diggers.

Also, you want cave ins and diggers? You know what kind of bullshit that would create? Fuck off, nigga.

>>165429249
Yeah they are invaders they are supposed to fuck everything up unless you kill them all. Do you really want to preserve your shitty fort design over fun exciting war gameplay? How many times have you been staring at your over designed laggy finished fort wishing that something would come and try to destroy it, but then it never comes and you close the game?

>>165429249
people like this making suggestions are the reason toady ruined the game. He asks "do you guys want fun siege gameplay" and people say "no that would make the game too fun, add taverns that don't do anything so I can roleplay in the tavern with my anime waifu, also add anime waifus"

>>165429668
i just want the game to be harder. i don't know if it's the way i play or what, but basically after the first year or 2 it's just game over and nothing can touch you after except clowns or a steel blob or some shit

>>165429519
No fuck you, there's way of making invasion fun without having everything you build fucking ruined, with actual siege machines, large creatures be able to destroy built walls and bridges and climbing would be enough to fuck up your defenses without permanent damage to your fortress

>>165430324
Forts aren't meant to last forever they're meant to last until a big enough force comes to wreck it. They would only come in really late armies anyway, and holes are easy to plug up.

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poo when?

>>165429249
You are wrong. There just needs to be a way to fill the earth back in after they dig it. If you could just seal off your fort with a wall indefinitely (like you can now) it would be boring.

Having to sally out to destroy a sapping tunnel or something would make sieges more interesting.

>>165427201
There's a mod that enables digging invaders, but it requires dfhack.

>>165430558
>Forts aren't meant to last forever they're meant to last until a big enough force comes to wreck it.
t. Bosa Malignedhate

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Anyone remember when I posted about my axedwarf who just barely managed to defeat that FB?

Well, I retired him and made him my baron. Here's his palace, 9 z-levels above ground level. The walls are made out of marble blocks, and the furniture is made out of chert.

The squad member who inherited his axe has already named it, and killed many goblins with it.

Siege anon here. I've released the clowns on the massive invasion force in order to crush them. Unfortunately this has also crushed my FPS.

>>165415557
Yeah what the shit was that? Attenborough never has that stupid stuff in his programs. It's as if the editors thought they were on animal planet for a second.

>>165435970
Why did you build an oval tower?

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>>165439304
Fuck off, filthy square user.

As they say, square sets are for square people.

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>>165439304

>>165382892
Why do you send parents with babies on jobs you cunt?

Once you have the bebi factory you have to burrow that shit. It guarantees a kid ever year.

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>>165439851

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>>165440545
Yes, yes, good Dorf.

Get many children and leave them unattended!

t. Snodub Ngerxungstein

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>tfw still on 42.04 because too lazy to update rapist and dfhack

>>165440827
>unattended
You wot elf?
I burrow them with their parents. Once they have a kid they better pump out another 80.

>>165441320
Armok demands it.

>>165440994
Just get LNP 0.43.03-r09. Everything works there.

>>165440789

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Graphics are off by default, 640x300 and 800x600 are the default tilesets, there is only an example graphics set normally so that set is more like an afterthought option.

>>165441721
>your preferences are not the default
Is not an argument.

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>>165441721

>>165441826
The picture said "what dwarves //actually// look like" did it not?

The Tax collector from the Mountain home has come

His face is grim, his eyes are dark, his hair is slick and well groomed and he has glasses made of admantinium. The black suit fits perfectly over his burly body and he wields the a brown suitcase of tax laws and debt papers, financial papers on the fort.
On his neck hangs a beautiful gold amulet bestowed with the power and protection of the Mountainhome

He walks in a fast pace toward your fortress bookkeepers office, what do you do as the lord of the fort?

>>165442058
Cave alligator pit.

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>>165442058
>adamantinium

>>165442058
Quickly wall them both in during the meeting. Little did he know that my bookkeeper is a weresquirrel!
I will release him back to the mountainhome after he has spent seven plump helmet-less, booze-less years in my "enlightenment library".

>>165430324
May I suggest you just embark in a place goblins can't get to if the digging ever gets implemented.

>>165415557

I almost burst out laughing when I saw that.

>tfw to smart too be tricked by humans

>>165442242
>>165442113

The benevolent goblin king of the mountainhome is distressed by the the lack of reports from the tax collector and send a squad of men to investigate

your move

>>165444021
Cave alligator pit.

>>165444069

What if one of the dwarf
is are a drunken batmanish and Macgyverish type with an overbearing beer belly?

>>165444387
What if you decoded your posts before posting?

Also that won't stop the alligators. I trained them with countless zombies and goblins.

>>165427640
>Having completely impenetrable fortress even if you build them with soap bars
Come on, defense should require more skill overall

is using a mod like masterwork frowned upon here

>>165429249
It's realistic