/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

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>>163504235
First for FIRAXIS RELEASE YOUR FUCKING MODDING KITS OR SID DIES

>>163504498
second

>>163505965
>tfw no Spore-type 4x / gsg hybrid where the fundamental rules of the game change over time
>tfw you will never be a Homo Habilis scavenging kills from tigers and lions
>tfw you will never be a Homo Erectus hurling spears at bears
>tfw you will never be comfy af in a tribal village circa 8000 AD

>>163506413
Well, strictly speaking, there's the last Far Cry.

>>163506569
No

>>163506413
>tfw no Spore-type 4x / gsg hybrid where the fundamental rules of the game change over time
But anon
Spore exists
:^)))))))))))
also where the fuck is everyone?

>>163506635
It's 3 am EST so all the Americans are asleep.
Also, when do Shakturi return in Distant Worlds?

>>163506635
>9:30 AM
They're all sleeping, I guess.

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>>163506635
I´m here, just busy watching Dirty Harry

>>163506635
But Spore is about going to space.

>>163509000
Hi.

>>163508545
>>>163509000(Dead)
>Hi.
>quoting before it appears
No.

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>>163507380
Who the fuck thought that it was acceptable or okay to """""""""patch""""""""""" CoH to run online in order to play fucking Skirmish mode?

Tried Joint Task Force.
It's pretty special so far.

>>163508545
>engineering game general
What a waste.

>>163508758
You would hate Planetary Annihilation.

>>163509243
>engineering game general

this is new to me

Is continents setting in civ6 map generator still as shit as it was?

i.e. producing landmasses that go all the way from one pole to the other.

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>>163508758
Ha fuck the steam version
It doesnt even accept my cd key
I´m still playing the "old" version a fucking crack to run it
Did the steamworks integration patch even change anything balance wise or just because >muh mp?

>>163508758
You're not trying to steal a 10 year old RTS, are you goyim?

how come population growth on my planets is different across species when neither of them have slow or quick breeder traits?

on one planet, one species is literally growing twice as fast as the other
on another planet one species is growing at like 0.1 a turn

i cant figure out why

>>163508758
Trying to pirate a 10 years old RTS is like mugging a grandma. You should be ashamed of yourself.

What games are you guys getting on the winter sale?
I'm getting
>Civ V complete
>Age Of Wonders III complete
>Endless Space complete

>>163511769
I got Stars in Shadow, anoyyed they havet implemented the snake cloaking device yet

>>163505106
Name?

>>163512797
8 Bit Invasion.

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>buy the new Master of Orion DLC
>it has an invading force called the Atarans that always attacks the player with the most points
>that's me because there's no reasons to not build ships and intimidate your neighbours
>the more you fight off the Antarans (on the left) the stronger they get
>they're snowballing out of control

Who thought this was a good game mechanic?

>>163513306
B-but muh challenge.

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>>163513306
>>163513360

I genuinely don't understand how you're supposed to do a domination victory with Antarans on. If you leave your home systems, they'll show up and glass them.

>>163513306
So just like AI war?

>>163513504
AI War is based on cooperation against the AI. Not competition.
A mechanism that punishes you for being good is not a good mechanism.

>>163513504
AI War but you're also trying to win a 4x game.

>>163513606
So just like AI war?

>>163513649
>"I can't read"

>>163513680
>"AI war but you are also trying to win a 4x game"
What the flying fuck should that mean?

>>163513649
>>163513606
Is AI war good?

>>163513493
By exploiting their extremely predictable behavior. They always attack you in a system that A) Belongs to you B) has your strongest fleet present. You can colonize dummy planets and park your fleet in orbit there and they'll attack it every time. If that feels too gamey for you then as soon as you detect their ships incoming drop everything on that planet and build civilian transports, they only use biological weapons so your structures will be fine so long as you can resettle your pops there.

Like many things in that game the idea is solid but the execution needs fixing.

>>163513745
Yes, SP is good MP with friends is better.

>>163513745
It's pretty weird. Not exactly a RTS, not exactly a 4X.

Never tried multiplayer. It never worked.

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>>163513806
>MP with friends is better

>>163513791
So I can just settle some volcano planet, plop my fleet there, then warp gate somewhere else when the Atarans show up?

Is there a way to mass product transports? I've noticed that production options for 5x fleets seems to be gone.

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>>163513965
They're still there. You don't even need to warp gate, they only ever go to the planet they targeted bomb it once and then leave. I honestly prefer fighting them still though.

What load outs do your ships have?

>>163514168
Good to see I'm a dumbass that doesn't notice simple things like that. So if I just sat my ships at the border of the system the Atarans wouldn't even go after them?

I had Orion weapons with whatever the default loadout is for Terrans. Which I'm pretty sure just gives all my ships lasers because Terrans.

>>163514168
That UI makes me moist.

>>163514286
Yeah if you sit your ships at the edge of the system they'll get ignored.

Orion weapons are actually kinda shit, they're designed as something a military focused faction can get easily to make up for tech gaps that would make shit like psilons untouchable, top tier beams and missiles in the tech tree are actually stronger slightly. The guardian is actually pretty weak because of it since it's designed to be killed with mid game tech.

Also ditch default loadouts they're pretty crap, early game you want to be shitloads of MIRV missiles and late game spam the shit out of gauss cannons, that shield bypass is disgusting, mod based on your preferences I personally prefer heavy mounts but I've read some people like going autofire. Consider making a frigate dedicated to bombs and having like 5 of them follow your main fleet since bombs take up a lot of space that you could use for squeezing an extra combat edge out. Dauntless missiles system is mandatory for missiles once you have it if you hadn't already realised.

Antarens are pretty easy to fight if you have a good fleet and defense stations on your planet honestly, they have quite a bit of ship space allocated towards bombs and like to spam relatively squishy frigates and destroyers with minimal cap ship support which tends to die in the blink of an eye to defense stations.

>>163511769
Picked up stellaris,anyone got any fun stellaris stories?

>>163514774
I have one.
>installed Stellaris
>added a nep waifu mod
>started playing
>Purple Heart died very early
>replaced by Compa who assumed the CPU mantle and the appearance
>
That was my story

>>163514774
Early exploration is fun. The end game crisis are fun if they don't break themselves. The war in heaven is fun too but again the ai is incapable of waging war in a challenging way.

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>>163514774
I spread love throughout the galaxy

>>163514673
Is there a way to make defense stations less fragile? They seem like glorified missile sponges past mid-game.

I will have to tinker with loadouts next time I play the game. Never really bothered but if early missiles are good I'll figure something out. Are guass really better than late-game beams for a specialized race like Terrans?

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>>163515176
even the mighty begged for my love and protection

>>163514774
>start Stellaris
>realize most of the portraits look like ass, whether from an attractiveness point of view or from an alien point of view and the portraits look boring anyway
>ALT-F4
>spend half a week flipping through my pictures folder (60,000 pictures) looking for nicer looking pictures to replace the aliens with monster girls and shit
>play as generic anime waifus
>realize I lack tentacle monsters
>ALT-F4
>fiddle around with FEs making them exclusively certain species
>replace them with tentacle monsters and pig-orcs
>play the game
>watch as qt monstergirls and waifus get conquered by pig orcs
>expand through the galaxy but get frustrated because I can't (to my knowledge?) rename stars and planets that I don't colonize
>get mad at the influence mechanic because it's dumb as fuck
>forge ahead regardless
>name every mission I send out but realize that I should be playing Aurora for that shit
>go to war but realize the combat is honestly kind of shitty and doesn't even lend itself to storytelling well even compared to disgustingly shallow shit like HoI4 or EU4 combat let alone HoI III, DH, WitP or CK2 combat
>oh well forge ahead regardless
>start managing muh pops but realize that V2 does this better
>start building shit but realize literally any other 4x game with buildings does this better
>endgame threat occurs but gets shitstomped by pig orcs
>have a few cool event chains while exploring but I feel like I've seen all of them before
>realize that even the pig orcs aren't a real threat to me or else completely shitstomp me as an RNG thing
>realize I'd probably be better off playing CK2
>ALT-F4 because pretty much everything Stellaris has to offer, other games offer better versions of
That's the sad story of my experience with stellaris.

>>163515175
>Being a challengefag

I thought we were over this

>>163515330
It's not even him being a challengefag. I hate challengefags but the AI in Stellaris is just unforgiveably bad and it's really glaring with FEs. It's either a shitstomp in favor of the FE or a shitstomp in favor of you, or the rare occurance where it's you gaming the WS system but sieging their planets with tiny little stacks they can't catch

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>>163514774
>be relaxing in my empire just researching and chill
>suddenly fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

>>163515462
Kadhafi, please...

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>>163515304
>monster girls

>>163515534
>inferior
THEY KNOW THEIR PLACE

>>163515534
I suddenly feel like being a xenophile.

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>>163514774
guarantee independence to a new met faction
get pulled into a senseless war
Me any my vassal vs 2 superior Empires.

Send In my fleet while they are wrecking the faction I support in their struggle for indpendence.
Destroy some stations~ followed by me losing my entire fleet.
Fast forward I start a long and worn out defensive war
They send fleet after fleet I somehow manage to hold them back.
The small realm I fought for signs a peace treaty.

Suddenly I have this big navy
Now that I defended their independence ...they are only free because I felt like it.
If they can´t protect themselves I might as well make them part of my commonwealth.

>>163514774
>starts playing
>somehow, get decently big
>there's that small neighbour, literally one planet
>constantly talk smack to me
>finally get tired of his shit
>declares a war against him
>rek his ass so badly I can't post it on a blue board
>see options "liberate planet"
>muh Che Guevara
>"liberate" their planet
>now they love me
I like that mechanism.

>>163515193
Yeah gauss are better, the game is slightly misleading on that front as basically everything that isn't a missile or bomb is actually a beam, even mass drivers and gauss cannons.

>>163516026
>>rek his ass so badly I can't post it on a blue board

good one anon

>>163515534
>Interbreeding

Haha. Yes

>>163515534
Liberate them.

>>163516067
>gauss cannons are beams

Guess that solves my dilemma. Thanks for the tips.

Is Norway playable yet

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>>163514774
>Unbidden invade
>Shit bricks since it's my first playthrough and I heard how the unbidden can absolutely wreck everything
>Their portal spawns in one of the systems my doomstack was about to arrive in anyway since it's on the border of my empire and the empire I'm at war with
>Obliterate them instantly since they didn't have time to spawn enough fleets to stop my doomstack

>>163518221
>Ended up losing the game a few decades later anyway against a large Federation because the rest of the galaxy joined up against me since I was playing as Fanatical Purifiers.

>>163518221
And then you get a shitty +10 opinion bonus. Woop dee doo. That reward needs a buff imo.

>>163518341
Congratulations, you saved the world.

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Wow Diplomacy sure is fun, this is worse than in Rome Total War, fucking Swedes man.

>>163519129
>worse diplomacy than rome
Nothing will ever be that bad.

>>163519163
>hey senpai u wanna be allies
>okay
>AI eventually backstabs you at one point whereas others are ready for trade

>Stellaris
>hey senpai wanna tr..
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT RIVALRY DEFENCE PACT WITH ALL YOUR NEIGHBOURS GET OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT FEDERATION

>>163519240
>please do not attack
>accept or we attack
No

>>163519240
Honestly not that hard.
Take charismatic ~ avoid purges.
Rival the right people....I wouldn´t say it is good. But it certainly isn´t hard.

>>163519129
>>163519129
>looks like a dick
>is surprised everyone hates him

>>163519374
Oh and lets not forget the time honored bug that caused having an alliance with someone to actually LOWER your diplomatic standing with that faction.

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>>163519374
>>163519163

I am fond of pigs.

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>Diplomacy
>Total War
>Total
>War

what happens if i get caught playing tibet in HOI3 while in China?

>>163519374
Thats a reasonable proposal i dont see the problem?

>>163519394
But I want to Purge, how else can I be a pure Empire?

>>163519412
That isnt me lmao, im a blue Humanoid.

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>>163519678

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>>163504235
> be a normiefag
> played Europa Universalis 1/2 during the school years.
> Some Civ 2/3 Too.
> But that's it. No experience with new fancy complex 4x/GS.
> Played RISK with anons last night
> Glorious victory throw scheming and cold calculation
> Yass
> STEAM winter sale
> All these glorious games (EU4, HOI3, Endless Legend, Stellaris)
> Can buy only one.
> Endless legend is looking sexy af
> But Stellaris/EU4 are far more familiar
> Both games cost x2-x3 more than EL

What do

>>163519412
that is a weird shaped dick

>>163520127
Pirate them until you find one that you like, and then, buy them. Save your money.

>>163520127
>throw

>>163520127
I like Stellaris...but honestly wait for it to be more complete. On top of that you would need a couple of DLCs for EUIV.

Pick up Endless Legend. If you like it get some of the dlc~ if not refund.

>>163519240
>>AI eventually backstabs you
>eventually
If by that you mean two turns later then yeah.

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>Play Stellaris
>Have migration with friendly bird people next door (both races xenophilic)
>they keep flooding their pops into my planets, its great because even though they share the same hydrosphere they prioritize my 60% worlds because different sub-climate
>new planets up and running very quickly, bird people are great researchers
>Suddenly they start mobbing this awesome gaia world i unpacked from an event and no humans move there
>lock out the bird people because want my guys to at least be 50% even though they're really god dang helpful and friendly

I... have I become a nativist?

Also why does it say humans are nomadic if they havent ever moved in my game? do i have to make them unemployed on purpose first?

>>163520781
Use Land of Opportunity to greatly increase the migration rate.
Unhappy and/or unemployed pops are more likely to migrate too.

>>163520781
Happy pops are less likely to migrate and the AI manages its planets like shit resulting in a massive immigration swarm to the player most of the time I've found.

>>163520127
Simple,

Get Endless Legend with all the expansions.
You'll not regret it.

Wait with Stellaris until they have added more features like espionage, better diplomacy and hopefully a better way to do the warscore.

>>163520898
oh okay i guess doing a pushpull thing with edicts and select unemployment would be the thing to do

>>163520924
i guess that makes sense
i observed through the console and every dang planet of theirs has one bird person leaving at the same time and they've not even fully occupied their worlds

they're not even in a war or are nomadic damn

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What's the optimal build for ships with the latest patch? I've noticed that cruisers decide to charge straight into battle thinking they're Battlestars despite having long-range weapons, and get completely rekt.

I've tried making my cruisers only have missiles in the M/L slots and railguns in the S slots but they keep charging forward instead of sitting back and lobbing in missiles.

>>163522009
That thing makes me moist. Is it a movie or a serie?

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>>163522009
I think the reason is that every ship is trying to get into a range that makes them able to use all of their weapons.

Not sure if you can set a specific stance or range. That would be neat.

Like in EVE where you set the orbit range around the target. Would be easier to kite and fire missiles.

>>163522286
BSG = Battlestar Galactica.

I liked the series in the first few episodes but then it becomes very religious and stupid.

>>163522289
That cat looks high as fuck.

>>163522353
Yeah, but there was two series (if I remember right) and a movie.

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>>163522438

I've only watched a few episodes of the series that started in 2004.

Way to religious that it becomes tedious.
The fun thing is that Edward James Olmos is there (Gaff from Blade Runner) and that it has some cool battle scenes, but thats it.

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>>163522438
DUDE

DUDE WEED LMAO

>>163522438
Wat u kno bout catnip bruh?

>>163519530
This

>>163522289
>Not sure if you can set a specific stance or range. That would be neat.
I believe the AI chips that give you offensive or defensive bonuses actually change the behavior of the ships in battle, but knowing stellaris it's probably bugged now.

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>>163522009
>typical Aurora 4x battle.webm

>>163523142
Needs more beep boops.

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Would you generate Faith with Advisor-chan?

>>163523142
Sure, just space the fleets apart by 50 million kilometers and it's accurate

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>>163522286
Battlestar Galactica, good show but as another anon said it got too religious, particularly around mid season 3.

>>163523504
I don't mind religion. As long as it's not the "hahaha religion is evil hahaha".

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>>163523351
I meant the amount of ordnance involved :>

>>163506635
>also where the fuck is everyone?
buying christmas presents

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>>163523142
i wish i was autistic enough to appreciate and play this game, even having fun with it and whatnot

what are some video games that i can play to acquire the necessary autism?

i imagine it like a ladder, from total war, eu4, ck2, victoria 2 and so on ascending from little to no autism to a very high level of autism and competence

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>>163523531
It kinda went full retard with it and thats the problem many fans had with the series near the end of season 3 and all of 4. You have main characters being into religious icons like angels and the angel death, and one character turning into Jesus Christ.

The space battles are top notch though.

>>163523695
Victoria 2, Hearts of Iron 3 and Crusader Kings 2 are games you really have to dedicate a "few" hours into to really understand.

Distant Worlds kinda plays itself unless you want to take control over certain parts.

>>163523793
They overdid it, then. Typical.

>>163523531
It's nothing about that religion is good or bad.

It's all those prayers and angels/jesus parts are taking so much time and focus from the interestning stuff.

They start with the prayers already in episode 1 or 2 in the first season and then it just becomes more and more until it's just one big gospel fest with some space battles inbetween.

>>163524043
that sounds kind of cool

i could get into space crusades

>>163523531
Writer's strike fucked them up and the last season is garbage, the prequels and the rest are pure sci fi kino

>>163524002
They cranked it to 11, one of the main characters discovers her own dead body and then just vanishes in the last episode after another character looks away for 2 seconds after they finish talking.

>>163523695
Oh come on nigguh, its normal albeit complicated Space 4x.
You played MoO2, DW, SOTS or Star Ruler ? You will be fine.

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Incredible, they somehow made the game worse.

>Peter and Teddy refuse to friend me even though i'm literally gifting them luxuries for free.
>Vicky wants to be my friend really bad but can't because she's Germany's ally.
>Barbarrossa went full Alexander on me and somehow is able to shit armies and create districts with 3 cities.

>>163524108
It's not.

It's just most of the cast sitting in a room and praying all the time. It has nothing to do with the series in the big picture.


>>163524239
>SotS
>complicated

It's just colonize as many planets as you want and get enough money to tech and build ships.

No diplomacy.
No infrastructure building except for a few starbases.
No espionage.
No nothing extra.

It's basicaly just a simple Total War in space with a really cool tech tree.

I've only played Star Ruler 2 which has some interestning mechanics, but it all feel weird when put together.
I hope Star Ruler 1 is better.

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>>163524239
>You played MoO2, DW, SOTS or Star Ruler
no

>>163523879
I sufficiently understand CK2, I think I will go figure out HoI3 next

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>>163524280
JUST ATTACK ME FOR FUCK SAKE

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>>163524701
>Toulouse

do you think they are going tou louse that city next?

>>163524615
Victoria 2 is the most complex game Paradox has ever made I think.

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>>163524615
>no
Then thats even better, you wont be so confused about mechanics.
Just play the fucking game.

>>163524428
>It's just colonize as many planets as you want and get enough money to tech and build ships.
>
>No diplomacy.
>No infrastructure building except for a few starbases.
>No espionage.
>No nothing extra.
>
>It's basicaly just a simple Total War in space with a really cool tech tree.
Never played it for more than 5 minutes, exactly for that reason.

>>163524428
>I've only played Star Ruler 2 which has some interestning mechanics, but it all feel weird when put together.
>I hope Star Ruler 1 is better.
SR 2 sucks ass, SR1 is better but its a really specific game.

>>163524868
Post one or two of your warship designs

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>>163525150
Some random warship design from the long forgotten play.

>>163525302
That really looks more like a military file than a video game.

I don't really mind it.

>>163525386
Thats why its so good.
Like ARMA or some complicated lfying sim - roughness of graphics convey the fair sense of realism.

>>163525302
What's up with that 0 damage turret?

>>163525864
It does 1 dmg at point blank range only. Look more carefully ( its because its a basic gauss turret ).

Theme was Star Trek hence the phaser name.

>>163525386
Prepare youself to deal with the bloody awful UI and coding. It's a good game nevertheless. Don't forget to offer sacrifices to speed up Aurora C#

I want to fug Jadwiga

>>163504235
civ5 still looks fucking awesome

>>163524280
>thinks that giving things to people for free will make them like you
That's why you're playing Civ at 2am.

>>163526845
mud is pretty awesome isn't it

>>163526845
Looks? Civ V looks like complete garbage.

>>163526845
>>163527549

Play Endless Legend instead. Does every single thing better and more fun. Even the fucking AI and balance is better if you deny custom Broken Lords factions.

Rollan to do something challanging in unmodded stellaris.

1-2 Absolute xenophobia. Must declare war on every new contact, can only send out science ships out of owned territory if there are no colonizable planets left. Must purge the galaxy.

3-4 The technocracy. Can have primary race pops on the first five planets, only expand with robots after. Must try to get the super-race event and replace my founding speices as much as possible,

5-6 Vassal Zoo. Never conquer any planets once space runs out to expand, never integrate any vassals, expand with liberation and vassalization only.Try to uplift and set free as many races as possible, even if I have to wage war for then.

7-8 Fanatic pacifists. Quick growth, migratory etc. Try to export as many of my pops as possible. Can NEVER declare war or add any wargoals except stop atrocities even when attacked. Must try to befriend everyone. Only voluntary protectorates and vassals may be accepted. Try to win a federation victory and always vote aganist every wars, unless its aganist hegemonic imperialists or fanatical purifiers.

9. Come up with something stupid for me.

0. Play an actual good game and not this pile of trash.

>>163527698
>challanging

Fucking challengefag, here's a challenge for you: Learn to spell.

Too "difficult"? No rewarding feeling of "accomplishment"?

>>163528136
Your gay

>>163527698
>the super-race event
What's this?

>Come up with something stupid for me
Deus Volt: Fanatical Spiritualists & Militarists.

You must convert the entire galaxy to your faith through liberation or conquering.

You can only have good relations with other spiritualists.

You must declare war on Materialists immediately.

No Synths or Sentient AI, they are a mockery of the sacred life God/The Gods/Whatever created.

>>163528504
>Deus Volt
God electrifies!
Lightning bolts for everyone!

>>163528734
Oh, guess I'm retarded.

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>>163528504

Everyone did the 40k run within the first three games.

On the other hand I'm ready to hug the FUCK out of this galaxy.

>>163528882
I suppose it is too similar to how you would RP the Imperium but that wasn't what I was actually aiming for.

>>163528882
Hey i played something similar in Gal Civ 3. ;)
I've made a matriarchy species with bonuses to influence, tourism, diplomacy, gave myself some awesome chick as a species pic etc.

That was fun, something different than usual kill everything shit.

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Settings. I want to be put out of my misery fast.

>>163529282
>habitable worlds 25%

why?

>>163528882
W40K run is xenophobe/militaristic/materialistic and purging everyone.
We great crusade nau, not stagnation yet.

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>when venerable pays off in the moment you unpause the game

>>163529615

Dont you want fanatic materialist then? :^) Imperial Truth and everything?

>habitable worlds 25%

Cause I'm a fucking glutton for punishment.

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And then the game showers me in planets and a home system that would make Nwabudike Morgan blush

civ6 was my first civ game to play at launch and it was fucking awful

couldn't imagine how bad the previous ones were if people said they were worse

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>exploran
>skipping all anomalies as usual on ironman, especially with venerable
>retarded mineral crunch
>first contact
>jewish reptilians
>the planet on their border has stone age natives on it and will perfectly seal them off

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Peace and Lav

With weak aliens acting as buffers on both side its obvious that I can just claim my 5-6 planets and peacefully tech to battleships with kinetic batteries.

>>163506413
>>>/vg/agdg/

Go there and ask someone to make it for you.

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And a starmap of the local sector. 25% habitable my ass.

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>>163530101
>hyperspace lanes
>territory doesn't follow the hyperspace lanes
>territory forms a blob that arbitrarily captures systems based on range
>even though range is meaningless with hyperspace lanes
>habitable system just on the very edge of border

Stellaris territory system triggers me so hard. I hate it and as far as I can tell it can't be modded beyond changing the costs of frontier outposts.

>war in heaven with 80 % of the galaxy signatory/thrall
>one giant non aligned militaristic blob
>another fed
>so much war everywhere the game runs at 15 fps
>build up and wait for endgame crisis to make it all epic
>unbidden spawn in fucking 2400 one jump away from homeworld and i have to roflstomp them
it was getting so well...

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>>163524825

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>>163532094
God i wish i ever managed to reach some sort of stalemate in space 4x late game epic war...
Kinda like Lycerius did in his 10years Civ 2 game.

That would be awesome to see.

>>163533216
>I hate steady progress

What kind of map did he play 1x1 million hexes?

>>163532094
You want to invest completely in anti-shield weapons.
Obviously keep your artillery on your battleships but swap out the Giga Cannon or Tachyon lance for an Arc Emitter.
You can switch your fleet back to their standard load-out afterwards.

>>163532051
Not every Empire uses Hyperlanes though.

>>163533817
>Not every Empire uses Hyperlanes though.
Yet every empire uses a distance-based territory system.

>>163533216
I actually did this in civ 4 but that pc is gone. I also was fairly new to it at the time.
>go across the ocean to conquer the new world.
>steadily take the entire landmass making me the largest empire
>turns out while I (russia) was off doing that some south american civ I forget which unifies all of my home continent
>declares war on me
>I have the more powerful empire but after the initial nukes most of my army comes from overseas taking 7 turns to cross
>millions of troops flooding in from the colony to die an endless war on the nuclear hellscape of the russian border for decades.
>one city passes hands constantly on the border, the city of home a nuked out husk where more soldiers die in this war than have ever lived there.
I played for a few weeks got bored and lost the save when i got my new pc.

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>install stellaris on laptop, start 600 stars game
>at max speed 1s=3 days
>"this technology will take 77 months to research"

>>163534432
City of rome*.
I'm on my half broken phone

>>163531145
My god, what kind of cuckmode are you playing on?

>>163533216
my nigga you get it
i kind of have it but i really wanted some 5th power to rise
that's by far the most interesting game i had so far
>>163533817
thank you i guess but they're already dead

Meanwhile, whole lot of notthing except colleting anomalies for later, REXing and passive-agressive border combat. Good thing galactic ambitions is already getting researched. Met another federation builder peacenik too.

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>>163536050

forgot image, forgive me I suck cocks

>>163536185
lol Locked in, restart senpai.

>>163532051
that's because not everyone necessarily follow the hyperspace lanes

warp and gateway travel is indeed a thing

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Oh shit.

I dont know this chain.

We will try our usual approach and hug it.
>>163536502

Nah, being surrounded by friends is awesome!

>>163536502
>restart
with all those planets in a 25% habitability galaxy?

like hell, he's gonna be the population center of the galaxy and apparently federation building is gonna be easy as fuck too

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>tfw no 4x game that lets you continue playing as a resistance faction under the oppressive regime of a conquering power

>>163520781
>>Suddenly they start mobbing this awesome gaia world i unpacked from an event and no humans move there
Gaia pops will always be prioritized by migrating species since they have 100% habitability for everyone.

You should get the Improved Population mod. Not only does it improves migration mechanics, it also allows you to deny and allow migration from certain planets through edicts, regardless of your how your migration policies are set up.

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>>163536830

>and apparently federation building is gonna be easy as fuck too

Oh baby, you have no idea

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>>163536502
>restart
>not fighting till the last bullet and the last men

You disgust me you weakling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5s81NRdQE

>>163535578
>my nigga you get it
>i kind of have it but i really wanted some 5th power to rise
>that's by far the most interesting game i had so far

I kinda wish i would ever grind a game to a halt in epic titanic struggle where each side is balanced enough to really hold her own. So far its either i get stomped or i stomp someone else .. :(

I had only one game like that in Aurora where hostile AI constantly rushed Sol with its fleets and i had to devote entire industry to defense which was successful but i couldn't build any offensive fleet. That was fun.

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This and a space worm just came in. Our top friendship engineers are frantically working on a way to embrace them in a hug.

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Finally some bad guys. Even the hegemonic imperialists like our penguin styles.

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Oh shit what a TWEEST.

Too bad this nigger forgot we have a non-aggression pact.

>>163536749
You can get +10% research in everything from that chain.

>>163537219
You can also do that in another save.

>>163537992
Why the FUARK do you have 7 direct controlled systems from the start?

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Sick frontier post you got there, m8. Too bad I did the civ 4 always peace cultural challange I'm more passive-agressive than ten jewish mothers.

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>>163538314
>You can also do that in another save.>>
im sorry what ?

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>>163538551

Enlightened monarchy. The bureucracy one lets you start with ten. Its broken as shit because it lets you skip the terrible sector AI.

>>163538653

wrong image, fuck

>>163538787
>restart
>not fighting till the last bullet and the last men

>>163538551
Pacifist style governments get more core systems.

>>163519475
from what game is that?

>>163538878
How do u make mineralz without enslaving everyone tho?

Also which are the best starting weapons?

>>163538952
Centurion. Old DOS title.
Hollywood history as fuck but fun.

>>163538982
>Also which are the best starting weapons?

Nukes. They have the best range and nobody has point defences in early game.

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H-hold me.

>>163539002
Thanks senpai

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>>163504235
niggers

>>163538884
Oh sorry i didn't understood that..

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>>163536749
>>163538653
Hug it. Hug iiiiiiit.

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Not this shit again.


>>163539356

Never mind it was just space xkcd.

>>163538982

Its easy. I just dont.

>>163539124
It's been done.

>>163539124
Mirrin that expansion.

>>163539073
Well youre more likely to get rocket tech then and rockets are shit once they have point defense and especially once they got Hangars.

>>163539497
But enslaving gives you mad shekel.

>>163539497
Zhaan, from farscape?

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>>163539124
Good job kamerad
Now go get the rest of it

>>163539830
>>163539562
>>163539510
ty senpai only problem rn is the menjeti zealots : they are an AE and their naval power overpowers me by 100k and they have superior tech

>>163540003
Then tech up and pump to your limit, AE usually have shit fleet capability.

>>163540131
That's FEs
AEs, particularly xenophobic ones, can expand and shit out massive fleets.

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First expansion phase is over. I even settled the tundra planet with 40% habitabilty and got migration access with the tundra moose instead of waiting for terraforming. Sometimes its needed to sacrifice some longterm efficency for short term gains. Luckily I have a spessh station lover so now I can build stations and orbital hydroponics everywhere for quicker growth. The lizards rivaled me but I dont give a shit, I doubt they have a fleet big enough to crack stations yet.

>>163540435
Can you terraform planets that youre already settling on?
What does habitabilty even do exactly, like wahts the difference betwenn 60% and 80%

>>163540256
Wait till they start a war and then cuck them in the back?
You should be able to win a war of attrition once too.

>>163540708
Generally what I do is when they or I start the war I wait for them to come to me.
It's usually only the bulk as apposed to the entirety of their fleet so it makes it easier and I don't have to worry about backup from their space ports and defence platforms.

After that it's just mopping up usually.

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>>163540708

No you cant. You cant even vacate settled planets. Habitablity sets the max happiness, I want to RP being a hippie so I will build visitor centers errywhere to make use of it.

>>163541387
Thats why I cant play without being able to purge.
Its like a tool that lets you abandon planets.

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How do you hug gas!?

Also, it seems the AI does not take station strength into account so they are all Overwhelming-Protective to me but none of them dares to declare because all the others would dogpile the attacker. I'm just peacefully sitting on my ass researching economy tech and building up despite the horrible mineral shortage and eventually I will snowball to be the greatest power in the galaxy.

>>163537992
>>163539497
>>163541387
Be a good hippie and share your stash with them.
It might do them good to chill out.
They might end up sleeping on your spess couch and eating all your biscuits, but it'd be better than this pointless reproductive appendage waving.

>>163542084
Put it in a bag.

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>>163541387
>You cant even vacate settled planets.
>2016
>Not being a collectivist

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This is pretty shit.

>>163542350

The only thing we are collecting here are friends

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>>163542084
>How do you hug gas!?

Hope their species has a latex fetish I guess?!

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Finally our merkelmode pays off and we are getting migrants and robots arriving. This with droning optimalizations and processing plants arriving shortly will hopefully solve the mineral shortage.

Is it possible to buy the base game and pirate the DLCs for Stellaris? I want access to that sweet workshop.

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>a nonadaptive, slow growth human can outscale advanced AI start on insane

The AI is a joke. Not expanding in a 4X game? Also, it seems I wont be the one forming the federation.

And this is it for today. Played on for a couple decades, kept pressing +1 on mines and literally nothing happened. I built two destroyers and a couple corvettes, all wasted money, you can literally expand and grow forever next to the AI without a navy.

>>163541387
Evacuate all.
Disassemble all robots.

>Stellaris: Nova Edition went from 66% off to 33%
FUCK
I knew it was a mistake and that I should've gotten it yesterday.

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>>163544682
>Outlaw robotics because all the empires I've conquered had a shitload and I want to increase my science output as well as avoid the AI apocalypse
>Disassembling robots (not droids or synths, just regular robots) counts as genocide
>Before I realize, I got a -540 diplomacy debuff with everyone in the galaxy for being a genocidal maniac of appliances.
>The next year my neighbor fallen empire wakes up

>>163544682

Well yeah, you can if you want to spend hundreds of purple man mana on it.

I'm still fuming how easy the game is. I'm the most popolous empire in known space despite intentionally handicapping myself with slow growth, having barely any space minerals and no good mining planets and start and I STILL outscaled the AI a few decades into the game. I could just sit on this, completely ignored and invulnerable till I research myself up to kinetic artillery battleships and walk around the galaxy punching everyone in the dick. Especially under my challange rules, it would take forever to win. The only chance I see is to wait the not-tyranids to arrive and eat every other planet till our federation wins by default

>>163545626
>Tfw you step on your kids furby
Doing 10-15 years for that fuck up

Should i buy civ 6?

I hated vanilla 5, with docs it was alright, but still inferior to 4 imo. I loved 4, 2 and 3 were alright.

>>163546438
>Horrible UI
>Unbalanced as fuck
>God-awful AI
>SCENARIO DLC
Don't do it

EU4 is on major sale, any of you guys recommend it?

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>mfw scenario DLC

Fucking REALLY?

>>163546637
wouldn't think its THAT bad

is it salvageable, like original civ 5, or even worse?

>>163540708
Grand Reich guy here. The relative power of literally the entire fucking galaxy is at Pathetic, their 100k fleets would just steamroll puny 20k fleets of enemy empires.

>>163546876
Oh god no, it's genuinely one of the worst things I've ever played.

>>163547025
damn, thats just sad. I considered myself a fan of the series since mid-90s.

Thanks for the feedback

>>163546914
Is combat in Stellaris is pretty much about having a bigger number on your fleet and mushing it into an enemy fleet?

>>163547202
Yes it is.
Just like every other combat in every other game from Paracucks.

>>163547125
It really is. If they'd put any effort into it and weren't screwing people out of scenarios (said DLC also adds things to the base game which is what really pisses me off, they're effectively making people pay for city states and wonders), and ditched that ugly artstyle (Yes I still fucking hate it), I think it could've been neat, but...

>>163547025
Then you haven't played much.

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>>163547370
No, I think I've played enough.

is EU4 any good?

>>163547624
>>>>>/gsg/
Paradox game with plenty of DLC.
Which mean it have best time already and now its getting worse.

>>163548201
im retarded, I thought id find EU4 advice in 4x, my bad

>>163547258
is there even a non-shit way to do space combat?

>>163548404
Well its not bad game.
Just pirate it.
And if you want buy it buy only basic game and pirate DLC.
Buying basic game give you access to their forum where most mods are.

>>163548680
Yes. Like having actual tactics and distinct ship roles.

>>163547202

Well, there is a entire layer of actually pretty well made counters and stuff but it literally doesnt matter because its so easy to just outscale and outbuild the AI it never really matters. You just smash its doomstack and it will never come back from it.

How do I into Stellaris?

>>163549968
It's a fairly straight forward game.
What in particular do you want to know?

>>163549968

You don't.

>>163550204
Oh, I don't actually own it (yet), but it seems interesting (and complex).

>>163550332

Its neither of those.

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>>163551147
Oh, okay.

>>163551337
it's fun and elite though


>colonize planets
>build food
>build mineral buildings and energy buildings as you need them
>start replacing food as pop goes high, build labs
>find presentient species
>get the two traits that give +2 trait points and lets you uplift
>uplift Prole Presentients with Strong+Industrious
>colonize worlds with prole species where you focus the entire planet to mining
>uplift Earthbound Presentients with Thrifty and Communal(or Strong)
>colonize worlds with earthbound species where you focus the entire planet to energy

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Theres a funny species generator. Somewhat outdated but still good for sketches:

http://stellarisspeciesgen.com

Show me your war builds!

>>163513791
thank you for this. makes the game much more enjoyable while still keeping the new mechanic in.

>>163548404
EU4 is a competent game with great potential that will never achieve said potential because its core design is flawed.
Also its firmly within the bloat stage of declining and uneccessary or poorly implemented features.

>>163555324
>Also its firmly within the bloat stage of declining and uneccessary or poorly implemented features.
They should probably just make eu5 at this point.
A problem with paradox is that they don't just add things to the games, but they completely change and remove mechanics.
I guess it's good that they're not being too safe, but it feels a bit ridiculous at times.
Eu3 got to the point where I think I might even prefer the game without the last expansion due to how homogenous it made provinces with the new streamlined building system.

>>163555691
I really like how eu4 ended up handling buildings. But by the same token province development ruins everything because mana ruins everything.

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Hey guys, I've really fallen for Civ 6, but I'm still a bit of a noob in the game. What're the "good" Civs for a science-related victory? It seems like there's a ton of stuff focused on Culture, Religion, and military strength, but next to none that're focused on science.

Thinking of trying for a science victory next time I boot it up tonight is why I'm asking

>>163504235
Is Pandora: First Contact good?
I heard it was inspired by SMAC.

>>163555876
>But by the same token province development ruins everything because mana ruins everything.
I think developing with mana is fine, but I think there should also be a ducat cost to it. Just so a piss poor opm doesn't develop its 3 dev province to 30 development so easily.

>>163556163
Sumeria, Brazil

>>163556163
Russia.

You need SO MUCH PRODUCTION for a Science victory, and having a few cities on Tundra tiles with Russia gives you that production.

>>163557580
whats the advantage of russia on tundra vs any civ on plains, production wise?

>>163557580
>>163557957
the tundra tiles also give faith which you use to steal essential great people later

but other than that there's really nothing

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I think I'll go high elf again.

Stream of life will let me grow a lot, and the high elf pop will benefit more.
Other options were High Men and Nomads.

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RIP in peace princess leia

>>163562028
rest in pieces what's her face in that metal bikini

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Can't get legend of the endless to work
I more then meet min specs, tutorial loads and works fine , but starting up a game doesn't, it just loads infinitely

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>>163563709

Thanks to the sale and Poland I'm finally getting started on Civ 6 for the first time and I'm having some issues wrapping my head around Amenities.

So it's the new version of V's Happiness, but unlike Happiness there is no global value only local? And there seem to be far fewer sources of Amenities than there were of Happiness.

So basically every city is forced to build a Entertainment District because luxury resources can't keep up with population growth and there are far fewer civics that generate amenities than there were happiness generating social policies in V?

When an entertainment district provides amenities to all city centers within 6 tile range, is the number of amenities it provides divided between all the cities it affects, or replicated in all the cities it affects?

Does negative amenities created by war weariness recover over time.

>>163563992
>So basically every city is forced to build a Entertainment District because luxury resources can't keep up with population growth and there are far fewer civics that generate amenities than there were happiness generating social policies in V?
buildings in entertainment districts have aoe effects for some amenities.

>>163563709
Realized that start is no good for what I'm doing.
Want coastal so I can get merchants guild.

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>>163562349
don't worry Carrie, daddy's got you

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I just met him

Why the fuck has Civ 5 started closing to desktop midway through the initial loading screen?

It worked fine before. I didn't change anything since it worked before.

>>163544345
Yeah unless you're next to an expansionist who is stronger than you.

>>163563992
It's only local BUT luxury goods are distributed according to who needs them the most, so if you build a zoo for instance then that city will supposedly stop consuming cotton and someone else can have it. In this way, happiness ends up being global.

>>163564263
>If you put my daughter up as a fucking sex display again I swear to palpatine I will force choke your blubbery throat so hard you'll be called "Jabba the bobblehead."

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>conquer a planet
>want to terraform the planet for my native pop
>build a frontier outpost so I don't lose the area once the conquered population is purged
>I lose it anyway, my frontier outpost disappears into nothingness and the area goes to the adjacent enemy
this game really makes my neurons fire

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I remember a few threads ago there was an anon who said that one of the best ways to play DW was to start as a prewarp empire in a mature galaxy. It's certainly been a lot of fun, non-stop conquest by all the other factions.
I'd recommend it, though I'm at a loss for what to do next.

>>163570295
>-57000 cashflow

>>163573010
Do you have the EL one by any chance?

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>>163573089

So, i haven't played Civ 6 yet.

Is it worth playing already, or should i wait some 3 years for all the mods and dlcs to come out?

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>>163573643
>No DLC factions.
Well shit, rollan anyway.
Thanks anon.

>>163573846
Just fill in 9 for DLC

>>163573643

Go Morgawr + Supremacy + 2 Continets.

Fun will be had.

>>163575057
I like how they made the morgawr to basically represent everything commonly associated with sea mythos. Mind control, black spot. Nice touches.

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>>163575421
It's really powerful if you start with teching hard to get the super good structures for +influence and then boat around with masterminds to fuck up and siege all cities all the time being a total dick.

A good tip.

Just amass influence gain with fortresses+++
Go find a Kazanji that is pacified, open it up again and take control of the 3-4 Demons that spawn. Attack the same village again and kill the demons insde. Open it again and take control of the new unit. Rince and repeat for infinite Demons as long as you have the influence and then roam around being a dick without ever going to war because everyone is busy killing "neutrals".

>>163562028
F

>>163571303
I'm not even going to pretend like I understand what the numbers mean. Economy has been all over the fucking place but it remains stable enough.

>>163562028
Fisher's dead?

>>163578167
prob

So i've just downloaded civ6.

Launched a multiplayer game with a friend and after a few turns I can't end the turn.

No unit's need orders it says next turn, I click on it and nothing happens.

any ideas /civ4xg/?

>>163581424
You were warned.

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HAK HAK HAK

>>163581424
When you say "downloaded" do you mean "acquired"? Because I think there's some anti-piracy stuff for LAN.

>>163561671
I like that the Orcs are the old pink skinned pig-men orcs instead of the modern greenskin tusk-mouth orcs.

>>163582667
>>163582501
I didn't buy it from steam but i still paid for it

>>163542084
>Not asking how are they speaking

Should I get Sins of a Solar Empire Gold or is Rebellion good enough?

>>163585669
Rebellion is a full separate release with everything from the previous expansions

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>>163584983
>Not selling them self replicating probes.

>>163569610
Kazuhira Miller.

>>163570295
I have a headache.