/domg/ - Dominions General

>>163083085
first for skellies are human and deserve better treatment

>>163083348
what if the skeletons are elves?

>>163083085
that op pic

ayy

What nation number is Ys? 56?

>>163083620
96

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3166&st=0#entry40004158

One noob needs an intermediate player to guide him, he wants to play TC.

>pureskill sauro

>>163086510
Anyone know what the mod guys use to get all their sprites against a black background? I am about half way through some shitty sprites.

This paint.net thing is really handy by the way. Thanks to the anon who suggested it.

>>163087965
Didnt mean to quote.

>>163087965
Maybe just have to use paint.net to make a black background and line up all the dudes yourself.

I've done that. Might be what everybody does, really.

>>163090956
I thought thats what it was but I wanted to make sure.

>>163091135
Are you the Gransys guy? If so, I'm wondering what you intend to really make out of them, since Gransys as its own entity is pretty much just super standard medieval guys. At least, that's what I got from the video game. Or is it just "Everything in Dragon's Dogma, just named Gransys because it works"

What do their rec options look like?

Weapons of Mass Destruction+Better Arena Awards game?

>>163091898
add in summod and worthy heroes, make it EA and I'll join

>>163091457
Its supposed to be everything but I was too lazy to think up a name or spell the one I picked right.

Rec options look like super standard medieval guys with bandits and a few cultists. Pawns are recruitable sacred immortals but they are shit because they are supposed to represent the pawns without Arisen. Once I finish that I plan to give them a ton of summons in the form of the monsters from the game and Arisen with their own non shit pawns. The idea is that their standard troops poor and they summon more monsters until their armies are almost entirely monster filled.

I have an idea for an endgame spell that changes the everfall site at the cap into what its like after you beat the dragon and it just starts shitting out gems and monsters but kills a ton of pop and increases death or something.

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>>163087965
Wouldn't you rather have a cool preview pic like the Project Omniomicon dude makes

>>163092794
If I had the slightest amount of artistic talent that would be nice but I am literally worse than most children. One of the main reasons I picked the source I did is because most things are already in the game and I wont have to do much sprite work.

>>163092136
How much do you think worthy heroes changes the value of the luck scale?

>>163093021
Barely. Heroes are cool, but very few are worth, say, dropping a point of Order for Fortune in the hopes of getting one.

>>163093543
You say this, and yet...

>>163092317
I don't know much about DD but I suggest making the pawns into something like recruitable foulspawn. So instead of getting a generic pawn, you recruit a pawn and you get a random one from some class.

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trying to learn how to maximize my results with ea arco.

current idea: weak pretender, double bless, pegasi bless army

are this scales ok or there's something retarded i'm not noticing

if this fails / does result as good as I expected, i'm gonna try summon arco

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>>163096843
How attached are you to S2?

>>163096843
Take heat 3 or cold 3 in return for growth 2. After that take a point of turmoil (or a second point of misfortune) for growth 3.

You could also get better scales with a different pretender, like >>163097167 showed.

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>>163097501
>>163097167
Here's S2, cold 3, and growth 3.

I dropped you down to 5 dom because I've got a suspicion that Pegasus Riders are so resource heavy that you won't be able to recruit that many of them anyway.

What are some good pairings for a EA disciples game (2 per team)?

>>163096768
I did think about that but I thought I'd keep it simple to start with.

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>>163096843
I think Wind Riders aren't really worth a double bless, a single is usually enough. I do, however, like awake mono-bless chassis, because Arco takes a little while to become strong, and as a mage nation you like having extra gold for setting up forts and labs early.
Here are two doublebless titans, they can put up more of a fight than a human chassis when they wake up.
Two awake mono-bless expanders: these guys will really help your early game by taking provinces themselves, and turning your wind riders into a real threat. You can easily kill a player with these.
Hound of Hades with E6D7 gets you Earth Blood Deep Well, giving you a Hidden in Sands factory, as well as Tarts. And nothing stops its expansion.
And finally, a scales+mono-bless pretender who can forge air hats and summon air queens.

>>163097958
Pegasus riders are resources heavy relative to Arco, but they only cost 27r. With Soth0 you can easily get more than 5. at Sloth 1, I would take Dom6 for 1 sacred mages and 5 sacred units. Of course, it depends on what your cap circle looks like.

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>>163097167
I automatically think astral when thinking of arco, but I realized I have little to no use to high end astral beyond will of the fates & eyes of god

so yeah, i may do without and let the mystics take care of it.

huh, i didn't realize pretenders with a path already present had very little empowerment cost. I though the extra cost was for starting the new path only. thanks for the advice

>>163097501
given that i'm running a bless army, I have to stay away as far as possible from recourse consuming scales. the (useful) high end arco troops cost nearly 30 res each.

>>163097958
looks nice, but i don't know how much army supply & 2 astral can give compared to what cold climate takes

how's this one? gets weapons, items, etcs instead of being immobile, dominion strikes me as very low however.

>>163098423
>I think Wind Riders aren't really worth a double bless, a single is usually enough.
i'm a sucker for flyers, and pegasi are pretty strong ones at that. kit them with reinvigorate and good evasion buffs, and you have something that can go far

I considered that nature bless isn't worth the time, but pegasi would have somewhere around 25 hp, which maybe it can use regeneration for prolonged fights. Ultimately, the idea is to test what works and doesn't!

so yeah, i'll try 2 bless arco, summon arco and then expander, and see which i'm more comfortable with.

furthermore, are the arco horse archers useful? I have half a mind of having a chariot front line back by chariot archers

>>163099132
>I have to stay away as far as possible from recourse consuming scales
Cold/heat don't reduce resources, and growth will actually increase resources over time since it increases population.

>furthermore, are the arco horse archers useful?
They're useful, but not for the reason you're thinking of.

You want to use them as melee chariots, because they're actually tougher than the melee chariot.

As archers, they're terrible.

>pegasi are pretty strong ones at that
They're not actually very good.

If you want a nation with stronger flying sacreds, try Helheim and their valkyries.

>>163099132
I've only tried using chariot archers in a "win more" situation, where I had tons of gold but was running sloth 3. They are a little less tough, and only get a short bow in exchange. I think it would be more optimal to recruit the cheaper chariots and indie shortbow archers and just micro them into the same army.

The nature bless is well worth it for a few reasons. For one, your best mages are sacred - so if you move your pretender in on the same turn, they will be auto-blessed and you'll have a chance of surviving turn 1 earthquakes and such. You can also bless anything with a torso slot by making a shroud of the battle saint; that include tarts and golems, as well as banelords and troll kings, making them into SCs or thugs very reliably.

Even if you are running two blesses, I would recommend going sloth 1 and dom 7+. Trust me on this one, you will run out of holy points before resources, BUT ONLY IF YOU DON"T HAVE A SHITTY CAP CIRCLE. If your cap is surrounded by swamps, gg.

Water is the premier wind rider bless, if I were to try a double bless now, i'd probably try W9E9 to make them very hard to kill. Plus that adds quickness and reinvig to your thugs.

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>>163099949
>because they're actually tougher than the melee chariot.
>They are a little less tough, and only get a short bow in exchange.

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Lets see how this turns out.

>>163098135
Mictlan and Marverni
Sacreds, sacreds everywhere

>>163100276
>quadbless boars
The absolute madman.

>>163100079
>>163099972
Archer chariots get a secondshape, so they have to die twice compared to once for melee chariots.

10hp with 16 protection < 20hp with 13 protection.

>>163100276
>>163100365
Chassis?

>>163099972
I'd suggest doing W9N9 if possible, for a solid Golem endgame.

>>163100493
The W/B/N one

>>163098135
Lanka/Yomi is cute. Turmoil scales, probably a heavier bless than Yomi normally takes (W9E4? B9E4?). Not the best, but demons demons everywhere is fun.

>>163099949
I don't mean good as in "will carry you through the game by themselves" but good as in "greatly compliment your strategies"

i'll consider those nations. after arco i was thinking of going full birdshit with caelum

>>163099972
>if I were to try a double bless now, i'd probably try W9E9 to make them very hard to kill. Plus that adds quickness and reinvig to your thugs.
>Water is the premier wind rider bless, if I were to try a double bless now, i'd probably try W9E9 to make them very hard to kill. Plus that adds quickness and reinvig to your thugs.

mmm, i'll take it into account. I though of quickness and evasion as more deciding than defense, but I think my mages are capable of replacing that just fine

>Even if you are running two blesses, I would recommend going sloth 1 and dom 7+.

I've have had dom 6 and never quite got enough resources for them. but i'll take it into account.

>>163100447
>>163100447
>They're useful, but not for the reason you're thinking of.

archer chars get a second shape!?

>>163100815
Only been playing ~2 weeks now. Lanka was the first nation I rolled over everything (CPUs though). Tons of fun, but I want to try out new things too.

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>>163100876
>archer chars get a second shape!?
Yep. Specifically, #dyingtmpshape, so they turn back after the battle if they don't die.

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>>163100145
Hey just because I don't think this has been mentioned yet
The nation generator includes a program called spritegen.

https://github.com/elmokki/nationgen/releases

It helps you make cool standing animations but it does NOT produce attack animations. By default in nationgen, an attack animation is just the stand animation shifted a few pixels to the left (or right, or whichever)...so you'd have to either do that, or make your own.

Or just not be lazy and edit existing ones/make-new-ones using pdn and whatnot

Otherwise what you got seems usable enough so far, if very generic-human.

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here's the final draft for N-E ea bless army : wadda ya thing?

>>163101143
I do know about spritegen I was just find I spend ages looking through the options to get it just right and that takes too long. Now that I got the scrubs out of the way I can get started on the summons.

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>>163101289
aw shit, wrong pic

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>>163101482
I would do this: Wind Riders win wars, Mystics win games. Get as many as you can as early as you can.

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I'm finally ready for an initial release.
Sorry for the huge teasing the last few months.
https://www.mediafire.com/?jv48wvnu4cm8auc

>>163102787
Before I really sink my teeth into this, who's it balanced against?

>>163103503
They have good ranged weapons and decent fighting skill but next to no armor. They're magic is only really good in cap.

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>>163104098
Also this is their unique summon at level 7 construction, costing 50 earth gems.

>>163102787
Couple of mistakes I found
>native god, 1 points
>onihammer torpedo scales with strength

Their ranged units are quite expensive too. In most cases I think you'd be better off with indie archers/xbows.

q: who should lead my troops, and have the best attack items, the prophet or the thug?

>>163102787
Have you been able to open this with the inspector? Something's gone wrong with the loading every time but I can load it up in Dom4 just fine.

my statue pretender is awake now, what should I do with it? research and cast what rituals?

>>163107128
The inspector is wonky as fuck with mods

>>163084447
Tell me a good partner for MA TC and I'll maybe do it.

>>163107350
Summon pidgeons

>>163107452
Pangea. Take a W9 bless, assists

>>163107929
fuck's sake, assists all of TC's sacreds and makes Pangea's centaurs amazing

Pelagian Thread.

>>163107929
>>163108059
t. someone who read Amuys' guide

Come on, I want something innovative!

is there a torrent for 4.28

>80% of the players were ready after 24 hours of turn
>now we have to wait for lizards, greeks and someone else for 24 more hours

Literally every turn in Bob.

>>163109903
Then innovate. Go ulm and let TC profit off the increased resource the dominion provides

If you use the same sprite for a size 2 and a size 3 guy will the game automatically make the size 3 guy bigger?

Game: Lucky_Thirteen
Turn number 2
Next turn due: 11:58 GMT on Monday December 19th

Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Midgard 2h file received
>>R'lyeh Waiting for 2h file
Bogarus 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
>>Utgard Waiting for 2h file

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Does anyone have experience with the "War of the Nations" mod nations? I'm specifically looking to see if they're somewhat balanced against each other so I could maybe run a WW2 themed game in the future. It might even be the big Archaea game after AT closes if there's enough interest.

>>163113453
Could I borrow the sounds from this mod?

>>163113516
>playing dom4 with sounds

>>163113575
>he doesn't like 200 elephants screaming forever

>>163113453
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfvsolcuxs9a61s/War%20of%20the%20Nations.rar

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?s=43bc402ca55ac2965f2636b3aa13d83e&showtopic=2517&st=0


You don't have to sign in to DL from dropbox, just click "nah fuck off" at the bottom

>take 2 capitals, literally unchallegended and heading for the third
>lose on the way because i forgot to build temples

ayy

>>163113772
fuck I misread you cause I'm an idiot and thought you were asking for a download?
I need to nap or something, christ.

anyways, no I don't have experience.

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can someone recommend a good 8 player sized map for one of the noob games?

or just affirm/crush my belief that Peliwyr 1.3 has too much connectivity and no real speedbumps

pic related looks nice until you realize almost none of the mountains represent an impassible border in any way and there's lanes around ALL of the swamp, wastelands, forests and mountains

>>163113670
Sound design on this game really is shite. They could have just used some more generic thumping sounds for actions. Instead elephants and snakes are terrible.

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>>163113516
I'm not the mod author but I'd suggest using a free sound effect instead of borrowing his.

>>163113772
>>163113905
It's all good.

>>163114086
Check out that author's other map, Snerdryn.

Game: Lucky_Thirteen
Turn number 2
Next turn due: 11:58 GMT on Monday December 19th

Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Midgard 2h file received
R'lyeh Waiting for 2h file
Bogarus 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Utgard 2h file received

Hey Atlantis, R'lyeh always spawns in the main sea on this map.

>>163114303
Snerdryn seems to have the same issues at first glance (in-game) with its mountains
though the forest/swamp/wasteland locations are much better laid out

what was your multiplayer experience with it like?

>>163113670
>not 100 mindflayers attacking simultaniously

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ayy

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>>163115345

>>163115345
map?

>>163116281
Dawn of dominions

>>163116463
Are you playing the scenario?

>>163115498
Jack Chick will never die

>>163116518
I'm not the guy who posted the picture.

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Babby's first mod error.
Any idea why this is happening?

Relevant code: http://pastebin.com/m1zjgUDk

>>163118104
give the nation #homerealm 10 and #addgod <monsternumber>

>>163118104
Do pretenders need a point cost allocated? (I don't know, never modded them before)

I don't see that declared anywhere, maybe that could be why they're being treated as invalid.

>>163118104
You aint got no gods.

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Is there anything he can't do, /domg/?

>>163118104
I can't believe how much Dom4 opresses athiests. This is bullshit.

>>163118742
Cast evocations.

>>163118486
>>163118579
>>163118786
It has gods:
#addgod 3001
#addgod 3000

>>163118742
Not die to bloodthirsty vans.

>>163118948
The gods must have #gcost, which decides how much design points they cost

>>163119151
Thanks.

How many levels of heretic do you need to give a pretender chassis to make it the equivalent of a heretic unit like a Bouda? 6?

>>163119674
why the fuck would a pretender have heretic

>>163101138
>20 resources
>Turns into 29 in dyingshape
Damn it arco that's not how it's meant to work.

>>163120238
tfw you preach contradicting stuff 24/7 so nobody knows what the fuck you want

>>163120238
To model a shapechange where the stronger form costs faith

>>163120378
That isn't the secondshape for the chariot archer, it's the melee chariot. The actual secondshape for the archer has 18 resource cost.

I included the melee chariot to show that only the archer chariot has a secondshape.

>>163086510
Sorry, got drunk last night. I'm trying to do my turn now but don't have riverlands for some strange reason (I thought it was a default map). Does anyone know where I can get it?

>>163120754
O-oh sorry

>>163121201
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgj2fl4j4yjt3qw/Riverlands16a.rar?dl=0
The link is on the game page, you retarded nigger.

>>163113453
>big game
>3 nations

Choose 1

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EA Pangaea pretender suggestions?
trading points of growth for lowered turmoil down to 1 on each is an option just because unrest should create the other points for maenads but the neutral order/turmoil I find to be unreliable

Trading points of fortune is far less likely

also magic scales as pangaea to me feels like a waste of time; training heirophants in forest provinces for 700 infrastructure +120 gold/turn usually handles research well enough the buff isn't needed

>>163123730
a) Magic scales are decent for Pangaea if you're using centaur researchers (which you should try to avoid, honestly, because Pans and Dryads are great to have when not researching whereas centaurs are eh)
b) Luck 3/Mag 1 unlocks a fair number of additional +gem and free mage events

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>>163121716
It's not difficult to create multiple functioning copies of mod nations.

So three Ulmreich nations cooperating to blitz isolated Manicas? Go for it.
Five Sovirus nations ruthlessly destroying one of their own for falling to contribute? Okay!
Nine shifty Manicas trading with everyone while pretending they're neutral? Whatever!

I'm still concerned that it'll spiral into a mess because something isn't really balanced but the idea's still fun.

>>163124253
so growth 2 luck 3 mag 1 then?
or do you think it's worth going to heat 2?

as far as the centaur researcher thing it's generally something I do in order to keep my fort researchers in the field; Panii I find are too useful as commanders and Dryads I usually have site searching and seducing whereas the centaurs I only use to spam temples, preach and ferry troops to where they're needed. They are in my opinion the perfect support commander.

>>163125093
I'd max growth over temp

My build would prob be Growth 3 Heat/Cold 3 Mag 1(map/opponent dependent - cold v xibalba/c'tis, heat v caelum/niefel. Cold when lots of rivers, heat when lots of mountain passes). Then either reduced sloth, turmoil, or higher dom.

>>163114991
The sprites.
Oh dear god the sprites.

Their statline really should reflect the AN attack they have that targets the player.

>>163125269
sloth is such a non-issue as Pangaea there's no build I wouldn't take it on
assuming the rule of 15 unrest = 1 turmoil for freespawn (it's not listed explicitly for Maenads but I've seen it on some other unit somewhere) then 1-2 turmoil scale is probably a good idea; would you say I should favour dominion over it?
7 dominion is ideal for most nations isn't it?

is heat/cold 3 really fine?
also if it's cold v xibalba but there's lots of mountain passes would the disadvantage of being unable to cross mountains while they can be worth flipping it?

>>163118742
See why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch.

>>163126002
It's less money lost over the year than equivalently extreme turmoil since it doesn't reduce your income by the full amount year round. Most maps that see common play are cold-favored as far as movement goes.

6 v 7 dom mostly just matters for how many sacreds you can get.

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>>163123730
>>163126206
is 5 dom and Volla for 1 Turmoil instead of 2 Turmoil and 6 dom an alright idea?

the chassis is much worse in combat potential for Pangaea and there's no option to rapidly clear reveller unrest when I need to but there's gem production instead which is neato
I dont think I'd be using my pretender in combat anyway; just not beefy enough even with awe

I have a son of titans

has 1 protection

what should I put on him: Ethereal armor or shroud of saints (e9N9 bless)

>>163127251
shroud and either ironface or stoner boots

What are some good, non-nature alternatives to Vine Shields in the light-SC "kill indeterminate numbers of vanilla, unsupported troops" role? It really seems the best but I hardly have any nature gems. Preferably in the Earth or Death varieties. Black Steel Tower Shield seems cheap and solid but I'm a bit wary of the encumbrance. Weightless Kite/Tower Shields would be cool but I have less Air than even Nature.

Black Steel is kind of the only option, huh? The Vine ability is so great though.

Arco, I see you on 83. Don't take 85 unless you want some innovative early-game collisions, please.

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>>163127075
and then there's the innovative build
it's probably viable for pan, sacred mages and javelin sacreds are a thing
probably

A4/W9/X4 Dom 6 Turmoil 1 also on the table (X = anything if that was unclear; I thought it was pretty clear but there's always dummies y'know? I am one.)

>>163129215
A9 is never ever worth it unless you're Doom and playing against Ulmreich or Sovirus. Go for like A4 and that's it.

>>163128773
aren't Eye Shields better because permanent affliction instead of temporary inconvenience/protection?
I don't know, this is just what I figured with my feebleminded noob brain

>>163129215
>A9
I know pan isn't shield-heavy, but it's still shit.

>>163129325
what 3rd path do you recommend then?
oh and instead of a 3rd path dormant instead of imprisoned becomes another option

>>163129396
Eye shields are nice for messing with assassins and thugs but don't stop massed spearmen from killing you too well.
Vine shields are the ultimate anti-horde, apart from maybe flame shield against undead.

It seems we have a tight map!

To my new neighbor - I will be taking 98 and 109 on the following turn, but I will be happy to leave everything south of these provinces to you.

>>163129675
What nation are you?

Can I rush you?

>>163129883
My neighbor knows who I am and is not really a rushing nation themselves.

>>163129930
Well, we might be neighbors soon enough, so better prevent any surprises, right?

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>>163113453
Well Manica gets Astral and affliction healers (for curing feeblemindedness from mindhunt) whereas the other two get Blood (Sovirus gets Death for Vampires, Ulmreich gets Air and Earth for Storm Demons and Knights), so I think they are probably balanced against one another

>>163113516
Go ahead, are you the dude making the Cadian Imperial Guard mod? Looks cool

>>163130191
That would make things pretty tight indeed.

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it is now turn two, here is the yuri image for turn two of the game

>>163130196
>Well Manica gets Astral
Come to think of it they only get 2 on their cap only StR and 1 on their recruit anywhere, I will bump those up by 1 each now

>>163131424
>S2 fort-rec astral
aww
yiss

anyone have that screenshot of the 3d dominions project illwinter were working on?

>>163132403
It's in the manual.

>Lucky13 is not going to be one of those fast-paced games.

bleurgh

>>163130240
Sure thing Bogarus. In exchange, I will reveal your identity in this innocuous matter.

>>163133030
I'm okay with this. I don't usually bother hiding where I am, so that was mostly out of respect to you.

>>163128773
Gold Shield is ok against troops, but F/E is non-trivial and const 6 is a pain. Lantern Shield summons ethereal critters to annoy the enemy but again Const 6 and cross-paths. The Scutata is funny but A/E and const 6. Are you seeing a theme here? Shields that aren't vine shield and are actually useful in your situation are Const 6 (or 8).

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Quite happy with how a couple of these turned out. Still a bunch more to go.

>>163134520
I think you could do better.

>>163135386
You wouldn't if you saw anything I attempted to draw.

>>163134520
>Breath weapon dogs
That's pretty neat.

>>163135848
The black one causes eyeloss because thats the closest approximation of the blindness debuff I could find. Its also supposed to be the biggest of them despite having the smallest sprite.

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seems i'm getting the hang of it

also i accidentally send the pretender head first into an ai blob province because i didn't know teleport counted as separate movement and he singlehandedly fended them off.

>>163136971
yep. magic-based movement is separate stage of the turn sequence.
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Turn_resolution_sequence
It'd be in #9.

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bumping with maenad

>>163140164
Censor that top part too, you filthy animal.

>>163100276
Marverni wants scales mostly, though, while Mictlan is full bless. It would be better to pair Marverni with an early game power that also likes scales, since early game vulnerability is Marverni's greatest weakness. Or put Mictlan with something that likes lots of bless and no scales like, uh, pre-nerf Therodos maybe.

>>163140431
>pre-nerf Therodos
RIP Thero, we hardly knew ye.

>>163098135
Typically you want to pair a nation that's got late game scaling, particularly blood magic (like Xibalba or Mictlan) with a nation that's strong enough to take on an early game war (like Xibalba or Vanheim). It's also very helpful to have a nation with stealth (like Xibalba or Pangaea) or flying (like Xibalba or Caelum) in order to help cover your ally, so that you can move up to support them quickly in a strike. Magic diversity is important too, so nations with wide path access (like Xibalba or Berytos) can be very strong when combined with nations that can bring them the few paths that they're missing.

>>163136027
>eyeloss available outside of forging and magic
Interesting.
Not too powerful, but it should make for a nice anti-thug niche.

>>163141168
So Xibalba + Xibalba with a side of Xibalba. Got it.

>>163129396
Vine shields are only supposed to stop the enemy from killing you until you kill them anyway, so being good at stopping enemies is more important than doing it permanently. And being vined stops you outright for a turn or more, especially on low strength units. Being blind reduces attack a lot, but with enough enemies some can still get a hit in because high numbers of enemies also reduce your thug's defense.

>>163142134
Xibalba had no weaknesses.

>>163142356
Now that is just batty.

>>163141168
What's funny is that you're not wrong. You can pair Xibalba with anything and it'll work well.

>>163142134
It has the highest win rate for a reason.

>>163142134
What was Illfraud thinking

well, shit. as soon as I start winning the game as ea arco I lose all pegasi because my dominion doesn't let me have resources in my cap despite prod 1, so I can't built more than 3 per turn.

>>163143042
>'Kristoff, weren't we supposed to be doing something?'
>'Nah, I already implemented that nation from your design document'
>'Xibalba? But I designed them as a joke! They're far too powerful to actually go into the game!'
>'Oh well, the audience will just mod it better for us anyway. Say, Johan old buddy, how much crack do you think I can snort off the bow of the yacht in five minutes?'

>>163143317
>snorting crack
Illwinter is not a company for novice cocaine users.

>>163143042

>What was Illfraud thinking

Launch Nazca was even more broken that Xibalba.

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Xibalba pls cease trying to elf me!

ritual of rebirth

>>163144327
They fixed that though.

>>163147154
thread isn't in the hall of fame
RIP

Bumperino

deaderino

>>163140431

>mictlan is full bless

Jags die to archery and elementals easily. The strength of mictlan is the Mictlan Priest, not the Jaguar.

>>163151098
The strength of Mictlan is flying kitties and dog girl assassins.

What happens if two opposing forces try to enter one another's space? I'm asking for a friend.

>>163151775
There's a battle in one spot or the other. It can even be both if you toss in magical movement and other weirdness.

>>163152470

So how does it determine where it happens? My friend thinks that's important.

>>163151775
They either meet and fight or pass each other

How do you beat skelespam?

>>163154443
Battlefield kill like RoS, Earthquake, Firestorm.

Massed banishment from priests.

Berserked SC to force enemy rout from turn limit.

Troops which are good enough at offense to cut through the skeletons and hit their summoners. Trample is very good for this.

>>163154791
Lots of stuff I don't have handy, in other words. Damn, that's what I thought.

anyone have any info on that game of dominions 3 that is still happening or w/e?

Ermor has claimed this thread.

>>163157271
Xibalba disagrees

>>163154848
getting conjuration 5 for summon X elemental (with 3 in the associated elemental path) or construction 6 for bottles of living water will work as pretty much anyone

construction 6 only needs W1, then you make a water ring to boost before making bottles

>>163158412
>>163154848
ah forgot to mention: elementals have trample and will wreak merry havoc among enemy lines at no real cost to you with any temporary gem production misc item

If I dont have water native I keep an eye out for an indie W1 mage; jade shamans are usually the easiest to find

>>163158412
Cool, I'm a lot closer to Conj 5 than evo5, so elementals it is.

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W E W

>>163159426
Mystic Manoeuvring

>>163159426
I'm a big fan of the way you cast Stellar Cascades until the elves left.

>>163159426
now he knows where to send the assasins for maximum effect though

>>163159605
Yeah and in about 20 turns he might start making a dent in those mystics.

>>163159605
Is it really some great feat of ingenuity to send assassins to a nations' capital?

>>163159426
>Elf bully not so tough after being raped

>>163159763
I did not read all the information there
I am dumb.

>recommended because you played dominions 4
>dominions 3
Nice try illfraud

>>163159426

Pity you didnt get some of the commanders, should have mixed in some soul slays too.

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>picking EA Xibalba ever
Why is this allowed?

>Make Abysian Warlord into Prophet
>He becomes a Warmaster, his lore changes and his leadership goes up by like 120
Is EA Abysia the only nation that does this?
Or maybe it's a summod thing?

>>163165481
I think C'tis has this, and a few other nations.

>>163165481
A couple of nations do it I think. The only other one I know about is caelum.

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More shitty sprites dumped on an unwilling audience. This time with accurate sizes.

>>163165481
It's kind of a vanilla thing, EA C'tis is meant to turn high priests into prophets, and it was meant to turn shamans into the S2N2 variant, but it never worked, summod fixed that. It's actually really cool since it gives C'tis access to moonvines.

>>163165897
desu you have to have deviantart fetish abominations sprites for them to look unusable alongside the basegame

as long as the nation allows for roleplay a well thought out mod will be used

>>163166242
Its oddly relaxing changing all these sprites. I suppose that might be because I am doing all the easy ones first.

>>163159426

you brought 72 mystics against 130 tuatha, and still lost 25 chariots killing them? Ouch.

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>put a bunch of work turning a hill giant into a cyclops
>finish
>realize a marble oracle is already basically a cyclops

>>163168068

u mad, elfboy? yeah u mad

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Hi domg!
Rate my Harvester!
Is this normal for them?

>>163168448
He doesnt actually take damage from that though right?

Cum blitz

>>163168448
Undead units are unaffected by disease. If you really want to invest into harvester (it's cheaper to use black servant + bane venom charm) give him a lot of stealth boosting items.

>>163168448
Undead can get the affliction but it doesn't affect HP or cause further afflictions.
I don't think the same applies to demons.

>>163083085
Tempted to make some sort of mix between a Hellenic, Roman and gaullic or maybe Illyrian kind of faction, maybe sorta massilia like

>>163168565
Demons are other thing entirely. They can't even get a disease affliction normally, so spells like leprosy or attributes like disease cloud don't affect them. HOWEVER if you give one of the demons leper rod, he'll get disease and will start losing health/gaining afflictions. Though if you remove the rod disease affliction will disappear next turn. Illfraud logic. Had to test it to be sure about a certain turn.

Thanks for answering.
Actually yeah - he seems to be fine.
That fellow get it on next turn after summon.
About bane - i want to make a cheap death thug and he is the first thing, what came to my mind.
Can you recommend me a better candidate?
P.S.
Sorry for my Engrish btw

>>163168826
well
do it

It's relatively easy, honestly.

>>163168950
Bane Lord. If it's late game, Wraith Lord's your best bet.

>>163168826

What I'd like to see is a Seleucid faction personally.

>>163169015
Starting already
Know of any good EA hellenic style mods that I can have a look through?

>>163169838
Would be cool, if i'm not mentally retarded when making this i'll probably end up making some Seleucid like faction at some point

>>163168253

I'm more bemused that an arco with 72 mystics in their capital let it be sieged by TNN? Why is that happening. It's like people don't know how to kill troops with mages.

>>163170926

Those mystics were scattered among 5 forts up until that fight, that's why.

>>163171072

>fighting elves who let you blob up
>not stopping them before they siege your capital

>>163171354

Hey, the fucker is raiding me as well, so it wasn't just the army on my cap I have to worry about. I have to use those mages to try and catch his raiders as well.

>>163170283
>>Know of any good EA hellenic style mods that I can have a look through?
I mean there's EA Arco, obviously.
Not really familiar with many mods, and most tend to be more fantastical anyways. I know Arga Dis is a mod about ("MA") Sparta, but it's covered in blood and some mild demons. It was originally for Doms3 but it was ported to Doms4, I believe.

>>163168253
That wasn't me.
t. elfboi

>>163171418

You have 72 mystics. That means you have enough RP to have hit stuff like full size elementals, maws, magma eruption, etc that turn elves into swiss cheese, especially TNN elves, the weakest elves of all. 5 Mystics secures a province with a communion, 3 guys spamming e elementals or whatever.

>>163152992

Randomly, with weighting adjusted by army size. There's also a chance they just move past each other.

New player here, is there a specific reason why the devs choose not to make a looby system where people can at least announce their games, organize queues and make things run better than PBM? I'm not saying they should host anything.

>>163172397

That WOULD be hosting something.

And it is worth noting that the devdeam is two dudes, both of whom have full-time jobs that are not game development. It's entirely possible they just don't know how.

The simultaneous resolution thing makes setting that kind of thing up a bit awkward. Games like Frozen Synapse have managed to slap a decent UI on PBEM, but that has an actual dedicated devteam.

>>163172397
Devs can't even make a functional text input field. I wouldn't trust them near anything remotely resembling a master server.

>>163171473
Yeah I got that was just wanting to have a working mod to check the files of is all, aesthetic or faction wise i'm not gonna borrow from it, will just sit around on paint till I get a style I like and run with it

>>163172798
>functional text input field
W-w-what?

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Hey Degenercy admin, I'm having an abnormal busy day here at the story so I may need a couple hours of safety. I'll try to do it right now though

>>163176298
message sending and how you can't do basic stuff when writing messages

>>163165897
Those lizards look pretty bad

The only ones that actually fit are the two blue lizards on the right

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Barring any outcry I plan to move the game from 24 hour to 48 hour hosting after turn 48.

>>163165897
the red lizzards look really shit desu. There is no sense of depht in their patterns.It looks like they were a green screen and you put that texture in all of them

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>>163179448
>>163179567
Its a poor mans attempt at copping a gila monster's colour pattern and I am well aware of how bad they look.

>>163179830
Copying I meant. Also if you think thats bad you aint seen nothing yet.

>>163179929

>I said that's nothing, you should hear me play piano

>>163182178
All I'm saying is that I couldn't find anything to copy for the cyclops's helmet so I had to draw a good portion of it myself.

>>163171551
>implying it wasn't
Stay mad

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Dead elves here, keep up the raid war guys I'm greatly enjoying seeming greek's Bats versus elves

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I don't have much experience with sprite manipulation but those flags for Vitt and Aoi are really starting to confuse me. So I'm going to make the both of you new flags as an early Christmas present. Aoi's probably getting something Japanese looking with the little torii on top and Vitt'll probably get something Atlantis-y. I'm not sure what colors I'll go for yet but it's definitely going to be something that'll stand out from the rest.

If you guys have any suggestions, just toss me a message.

>>163183783
Maybe something with blue red and green because I have equal amounts of blood water and nature?

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>>163159426
>72 mystics

>s e v e n t y t w o m y s t i c s

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Last one for tonight. I know the reason some of them look especially bad is because I finished them and then tried to make them bigger but I' not sure how else to go about it.

>>163188584
the armor

did you grab it from somewhere else? it looks too out of place.

beyond that, it doesn't look half bad. you have to redo de armor on the top four

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>>163188584
oh sweet lawdy those golems. Kissed by a mighty huge creature with some heavy lipstick, weren't they?
what's up with the top 2 right beasts. Some form of cyclops? Is that a helmet?


those chimeras are insane as hell.

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>>163184017
I've got tutorials to brush up on but here's a shitty WIP.

>>163188982
I like it.

>>163188584
First four sprites on the top row are good. Last two are absolute ass.

Same on the second row.

First two sprites on the second row are just default sprites with lightning, second two are garbage, last two are alright

Last two on last row are mediocre.

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>>163188749
I took it from one of the item icons because I just wanted a big slab of metal. Only 2 of them are supposed to be wearing armor Well I suppose the cage on the big guys head counts.
>>163188873
It is indeed a helmet. The golems in the game have big purple glowy spots so thats what those are.
>>163189298
Better results than expected. The ass ones all include things I tried to make bigger. The last on the top row is supposed to be really big and the second on the third row I had to up size a cockatrice head because there arent many turkey heads in the game.

>>163189674
Actually thinking about it I can probably just steal a gutplate from the warhammer ogres mod.

>>163189674
You can't just increase the size of a non-vector image, it turns into garbage if you do that. If that's how you're going, you need heavy editing to salvage them afterwards.

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>>163189026
Sweet.

When I tried screwing with the flag material, all I managed to do was change the pole. I'll pull up a tutorial later and hopefully get that figured out. If not, thankfully there's guys like >>163188584 and >>163189964 around so all of this should be sorted pretty quick.

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>>163189964
Interesting. Thankfully it shouldn't be much of a problem from now on because everything thats left is either roughly human sized, or a dragon so the sprite I copy will already be big.
>>163190123
I would advise looking elsewhere for flag editors. Preferably to people with artistic ability.

>>163183783
Thanks, mate! Although I don't mind the shimapan theme, it has been annoying for me too. I haven't had the time to do anything about it so you doing something is helpful.

BOGARUS VS RAGHA WHEN

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I just started playing the game and I love MA Ulm, but I don't see how they can make use of all their forging bonuses, what items should I craft? Where can I get a good thug chassis and what items should I forge?

Also what pretender do you guys recommend for MA Ulm?

>>163193335
Ulm doesn't need your phony pretender. Just take a dom 1 F1 archmage

>>163179490
Is Steel Domg Run just some MP game with jojo-related names or does it have a specific mod or something?
>t. noob

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>>163195142
the former

>>163193335
Is this a mod pretender?

>>163195421
https://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/?page=unit&unitq=iron%20angel

Is it bad if I focus a lot on Enchantment while playing as Sceleria? I mean, it has lots of spells to summon undead, and a few astral spells I can use.
But I can't think of anything else to research, maybe Evocation?

there is literally nothing wrong with elves

>>163196704
R E M O V E
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>>163196676
Evo for cascade spam that doesn't affect your skellies. Thaum for enslave/communions and shit. Conj for obvious tarts.

>>163193335
Owl Quill and Lightless Lanterns are boring but very useful items to forge. With a hammer they cost almost nothing. Flying boots are great for giving your mages (or thugs/SCs) strategic mobility, but you'll need an air booster to forge them.

MA Ulm has trouble with getting a thug chassis. Your best bet in vanilla is probably golems, which are a bit expensive for standard thug duties.

As for thug equipment, fire brand is standard for the weapon, and shield of gleaming gold or charcoal shield would be your best shield options. Other equipment will depend on what chassis and what you're using it for.

>>163195421
it's a national summon for MA Ulm.

>>163196676
Evocation for nether darts. It's really good, and every one of your cheap mages can use it.

Evocation also has nether bolt and shadow blast, both of which are pretty good, but your main target should be nether darts.

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>>163193335
>Ulmish smiths with Dwarven hammers make 5 cost items into 1 cost.

Massed produced Owl Quill and Lightless Lantern for research
Massed produced Fire in a Jar and Girdle of Might for your mages
Massed produced pretty much any item that could be useful to your mages. Copper Plate if you're against T-strike, Ring of Fire if you're up against Abysia, Dragon Helmets if you're expecting RoS, wtc

>Thug chasis
No no you're missing the point of MA Ulm
You win through sheer weight of numbers and iron blizzards.

How good would MA Ulm be without Iron Blizzard?
How dependent is the nation on one spell?

>>163197454
You have the wrong spell.

MA Ulm relies on magma eruption, not iron blizzard.

Their iron blizzard casters are all cap-only.

>>163197259
Armor is better against rain of stones than helmets.

This thread is looking pretty great =)

>>163203654
Thanks.

Imperial Enclave needs a sub, anyone?

Whats a good magic shield to go along with a sword of sharpness to come equipped on a summon?

>>163204209
what are you trying to kill?

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>>163204462
Nothing specifically I'm just thinking of turning an iron angel into one of these and was wondering what shield to add to it.

>>163183783
You are maybe the best admin.

Aside from people going AI two turns into a war this has been a really good game so far.

>>163204752
Iron Angels are actually just giant humans in armor sadly, they are not lifeless.

>>163205595
You cant tell that from the outside though so its fine.

>>163205595
So you're telling me that they're mechs

>>163206143
Well for chaff use vine shield/charcoal shield. Against thugs, stuff like eye shield or enchanted shield is pretty good.

>>163206315
No, they're just winged giants in armor.

>>163193335
Wait what
>Divine Being
>Summoned to this world
>To teach men not to trust divine beings
>Or magic
I don't even. Is it meant to teach them how garbage non blood summons are?

>>163207650
Sort of like how a human created in God's image can preach that we weren't created and there's no God.

>>163206384
If you read the description, they're still celestial beings, but not real angels.

>>163208046
They just want to tell you to believe in them because they believe in you

>>163204752
>>163206329
Is this for the Dragon's Dogma mod?

If so then it'd be a 'what the summon comes with' rather than 'what's actually useful'

IIRC those things first form is fuck magic and the second form is fuck not-magic

Probably either Black Steel Kite Shield of Lead Shield in either case.

>>163100145
Is this supposed to be 'generic indie nation' the nation?
Because that would actually be interesting

post you're flavorite domg memes

>>163211829
>you're

>>163211829
>Having a favourite meme
All memes are equal in the eyes of God.

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>>163211829

>>163211829
I'm on a phone, but if someone can post spurdo dom4 it would be appreciated.

>>163212507
Post the other manual. It looked way better.

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>>163144871
>Getting attacked by ice ogres now too
git ouuut

Niefl & Xibalba confirmed bullying peaceful boars send help.

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>>163213084

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>>163211829

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>>163211829

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>>163211829

Please stop posting memes. I am very sensitive to memes and this is making me uncomfortable.
Thank you.

He said "post your favorite" not "dump your entire folder"...

>>163215283
The real reason that Sloth 3 is core on Mictlan is that all of the Mictlanese are so comfy in their pajamas

>>163215337
What's this meme?

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>>163215332
>Mictlanese
Mictecs.

>>163215306
No, this is fine. =)

I will dump mine too when I get home if I have any that haven't been posted yet.

>>163215390
Encumbrance 11

my favorite meme is where I delay games out of lazyness