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Actual Last Pantokrator >>162500123

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Deader than dead

What's the interaction between W9 bless, the spell Quickness, and Celestial Music?

>>162828886
Celestial Music is quickness (the spell). It doesn't stack because it's an identical effect.
W9 bless and Quickness do not stack in terms of additional AP, with the x2 of quickness taking priority over the x1.5 of W9, but do give the full additional stats.
Heroic Quickness (from the HoF ability) stacks fully with other quickness effects.

>>162828886
Quickness overrides W9 quickness since it's better. (Gives +4 attack as well as two times the amount of attacks, W9 just gives 4 defense and twice the attacks every other turn).
I think celestial music gives actual quickness, so it would override W9 quickness as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that. It's easy enough to test, though.

Let's say I start playing this, is there any mod that improves the battle simulador like its speed and such?

>>162829530
Dont think so but there are speed options in the top right.

>>162829530
There are shortcuts for skipping battle turns, it's something like >

>>162829607
>>162829719
That sounds decent. Can I control the frame?

>>162829916
If by frame, you mean exact time in battle, you can only go forward. Which can get a bit annoying, but you can mash N to get through battles quickly.

>>162830128
Thanks, you're all very helpful. I just hope the game don't die because the manual looks like a wall of text.

What are the 2nd and 3rd best vanilla nations in each era?

>>162830758
Don't worry, everything after the first ~100 pages is just reference tables :>

>>162829114
>>162829143
Thanks!

>>162830758

The game is pretty obviously geared toward the niche grognard crowd.

Right. Seriously no takers for a Caelum sub?

He really does still have a shitload of land.

>>162831062
EA: Between Formoria and Lanka
MA: Hard to say, there's a few nations that could be argued as being reasonably close to each other (Pangaea, Agartha, Ulm)
LA: Toss up between Midgard, Ulm and Bogarus

>>162831808
You value Midgard, Ulm, and Rus over xibalbats? Or do you not think Ragha's first?

>>162831980
I forgot that Xibala is good again in LA, so they're probably second after Ragha

>>162831449
I'll sub
[email protected]

>>162832363

Good man. Have subbed you in. You've seven hours or so until the turn's due.

How absolute garbage would a nations troops and commanders have to be if they were all immortal?

>>162832843
Lemuria

>>162832843
A dude made a mod like that except they all also had a 50% chance of reforming after death.

>>162832703
I don't see it.

>>162833345

It can take five/ten for the message to go through. Have you gotten the "You are now playing Caelum" email?

>>162833641
I haven't gotten anything.

>>162833890

Huh. I did just copypaste the email address, so shouldn't be a typo on my end.

Gone into your spam folder for some reason, maybe?

>>162834090
Just resent myself the turn file, got the message. It's the first message I got.

>>162834519

Weird. Well, hopefully you don't have any further problems.

>>162829143
This is actually wrong. First, quickness is 3 atk 3 def. Second, the def boost from quickness and w9 do stack, just not the action boost.

>>162832913
Sheeeiiit.

>>162832979
That's a cool idea, and makes them less annoying to manage. Any idea what this mod was?

>>162835760

I thought the AP boost didn't stack, but the extra attacks did? They're different effects, after all. Spell Quickness is an extra attack every turn, Bless Quickness is an extra attack every SECOND turn.

>>162836116

Yes. Lemuria is.

Please join this game: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=PureSkill

>>162836116
Sandeth. Partly inspired by the newer Prince of Persia games.

>>162836130
AP boost IS what gives extra attacks per turn. Yeah, it isn't really made clear anywhere.

>>162836279
If its still looking for people around 1 tomorrow Euro time I'll join.

>>162836445

Pretty sure it's a separate effect. Even 30+ AP shit only every does it's attacks once per round without Quickness.

>>162836637
Each unit eats all of its default AP on attack, but if AP value is increased there's a leftover for more attacks.
You are like 3 years behind on mechanics, Desura had a detailed thread on this

>>162836445
>>162836637
Okay, so it's a little weird, but here's the basic gist of it - all units have a base AP, and that's the AP required to do their attack. If a unit has one or more AP, it will still do its attack. Quickness multiples the units AP by 2 (or 1.5 in the case of W bless) without increasing the unit's base AP. This means that a unit with a W bless will attack twice roughly every other round (they'll do their double-attack on the first hit if they're close to their target or on the second if they had to run far) whereas a unit with full quickness will attack twice unless they had to run more than they could normally move.

>>162837001
>>162837107

Fair enough. That does make a certain amount of sense. As you realized, I haven't been keeping up for a while. Just started joining games again a couple months ago.

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I am greatly enjoying fucking around with EA Pangaea Maenads
Losing 433/800 of them against 300 enemies isn't even a pyrrhic victory; that's well within sustainable losses.

>>162838574

They're pretty phenomenal once you can get Mass Regen and Mass Protection on them. Growing Fury also goes a long way.

>flinging army after army into a player's last doomstack, killing vast amounts of enemies in each battle but losing nearly the entirety of my army each turn
Having more gold and gem income than your opponent is fun

>>162839352
>not killing his army efficiently so that you can simultaneously conquer other opponents

>>162839435
>Not having fun

>>162839994
I actually do think that's fun, though

>>162839435

I am not sure you fully understand how many Maenads turmoil Pan can get every turn.

>>162840176
Oh, maenads. I don't even count those as units. When he said losing nearly the entirety of his army I thought he meant losing stuff that mattered.

So population increases income. And I know that LOW pop can reduce resources.

Does high pop increase resources, or are there a set amount in province that only start getting limited when the pop drops below certain levels?

>>162840369
yeah, both resources and gold scale with pop

>>162840426

Anyone ever work out how long it takes for Growth 3 to beat Production 3 on resources?

sup guys, still looking for feedback for this unofficial la machaka http://pastebin.com/LtjMNTp0

changed sacred costs to be in the 22-28 range
reformed hoplites now cost 15 gold
levy troops now cost 12
sangomas are now N2D1H2 200?FAWE, 50?FAWE, 10?ND, worried that they're too powerful though, may restrict them based on terrain type
cap only sangomas are now N2D1H2 200?FAWE, 100?FAWE, 75?FAWE, 50?ND

>>162841853
initial testing suggests that the cap only guys are way too fucking good

>>162841853
Just out of curiosity, why A? No previous age of Machaka had it.

>>162842101
spirits of the sky are pretty important to a number of sub-saharan tribes, so i figured it was in theme

>>162842086
>>162841853
changed sangomas to N2D1H2 200?FAWE, 10?FAWE and 10?ND
cap only sangomas to N2D1H2 200?FAWE 100?FAWE, 50?ND

How do I want to gear out a golem or father illearth as an SC? What sort of items do people like using?

I think I might take a stab at a dragons dogma mod over the summer. I know I plan to make the regular troops basically indy level and give them shitloads of monsters but I am wondering how to go about it. Like should I give them a bunch of summon spells or is there a way to make monsters summon automatically in your dominion or something.

>>162842796
What bless do you have? What is the army composition that you are dropping the golem onto (you are teleporting it in, I assume), especially mages? What mages does the enemy have on hand to counter Father Illearth?

>>162842796
Golems usually take starshine skull, elemental resist gear, and a brand/vinehshield.
Illearth is more of a caster so whatever

Turns out AI Atlantis has heavily invested in PD.

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>>162843565

>>162843915
Its ok though I only lost like 10 crazy people and one slightly less crazy person.

Last call for someone to sub for Nazca

>>162844196
Just let them die Admin, no one is going to sub into a nation with its cap under siege by indys.

>>162844353
k, I'll AI them

>>162844408
How the fuck did they come under siege anyway? If it was barbarians or trogs I could understand but its just regular heavy infantry and shit.

>>162844601
Heavy infantry and a bunch of fire/something else mages. Poor guy

FOR DISCLOSURE'S SAKE:

I AM ULM IN COMFYARMCHAIROFDOMG AND THE ADMIN
I AM SETTING NAZCA TO AI
THAT IS LITERALLY ALL I AM DOING, I WILL NOT CHEAT BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HELP ANYWAY AND ALSO WOULD BE A DICK MOVE
PLEASE TRUST ME

>>162845371
That might cause problems for your turn, desu

I sure hope these two random diseases are just a coincidence and not a pair of black servants with bane venom charms.

What cool things can you do with a Conjuration 20 site and mainly blood magic? Slightly cheaper thug chassis?

>>162846546
Would that site even work with blood magic?

>>162846764
No

>>162846546
Nothing.

Conj 20 is nice for tarts/royalty though. And some nations get a discount on really cool summons like niefel wolves/draugar etc.

Game: MokouIsHot
Turn number 24
Next turn due: 21:50 GMT on Thursday December 15th

Loser AI and staler hall of shame:
1. Jomon
2. Caelum
3. Abysia

Thanks for subbing Abysia, replacement Abysia!

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Gath 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Ragha 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
>Utgard Waiting for 2h file

>>162846546
>>162847017
Oh whoops, meant to say Death actually. Of course Blood wouldn't work. Tarts would be kind of nice but I'm much more likely to be bottlenecked on casters and not gems. Saving 2 gems per cast isn't going to make a huge difference.

>>162848751
>Saving 2 gems per cast isn't going to make a huge difference
Not if you summon them with 4 casters for 20 turns straight.

>>162849078

Where the fuck are you getting that many D7 casters?

>>162849773
Late-game.

>>162849843

Both boosters and a ring on Liches?

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>tfw I just find 50 more rangers in one of my provinces
>tfw this isnt even the first time its happened

>>162850281
4 + 2 artifact wand + 1 skullface

4 + 1 staff + 1 skullface + 1 ring of sorcery

4 + 1 staff + 1 skullface + 1 ring of wizardry

4 + 1 staff + 1 skullface + 1 black book of secrets

4 + 1 staff + 1 skullface + 1 robe of the magi

>>162848751

Honestly, Death isn't going to see vast benefits from a 20% conj site.

Tarts are unlikely to ever be gem limited, since you're needing to pay 100+ gems just to get anything that can cast it. You can get Banes at a saving of A Gem. Or TWO gems for Bane Lords! Woo.

Wraith Lords are pretty boss, but the Immortal means even with the 20% discount they're pricey for what they can do. I guess you could give Harvesters of Sorrow bane venom charms and send them to follow enemy armies around?

It's an edge, but it's not a game changer.

>>162852268
I loved getting 20% conj as Lemuria. Suddenly, you save 10 gem per grand lemur.

>>162852341

Yeah. If you have national summons it'll be amazing.

Why does Abysia get the pride of lions spell?

>>162852969

>He doesn't know about fire lions

I realize we're all autistic NEETs here, but watch a documentary occasionally or something, dude. They're the third deadliest mammal in africa.

>>162852969
Desert Lions?

>>162852969
Mesopotamia.

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I know this is like the second time in two days, but I need a sub for MokouIsHot Utgard.
Late age noob game. I know there are some noobs out there who might be interested.
Utgard is only at war with the Jomon AI afaik and had a good expansion prior to that (first player to claim a throne), so you have a good opportunity to make some gains, but you will have to reverse some losses taken during his stale period.
I'm putting a 24 hour extension on this turn, if we don't get a sub after that he's getting set AI.

>>162855467
I'm sorry, but I can't respond until you use a new picture. That's the one you used last time.

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>>162855682
I like that one, sue me.

Dominions is 85% off on steam right now.

>>162855869
Only 30% off for me

>>162856054
sorry, meant gamersgate

My bad

>>162855869
>>162856176
To be clear, it's $5.25 on gamer's gate. Five dollars and twenty five cents.

>>162856326
Damn, I feel ripped off. I bought it when it was only 80% off a few months ago.
Shoulda held out for the better deal!

>>162856707
Such a lack of patience is why you will never be pantokrator.

>>162856326
If any piratefags are around and want to get into MP, now's the time.

What's going on in your games?

>>162855467

I'm game. Do I have to send an email or something?

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>>162856326

>just bought it on steam for $25
>just cleared two hour refund window

I feel ill.

>>162859387
Put in a ticket. They do this all the time.

>>162859387
>paid full price
>completely satisfied
I'd be happy to pay $200.00 for the number of hours I've put in

>>162860030
>only $200.00
It's like you didn't even buy all the DLC

>>162858924
Yep. I need an email to give llamaserver.

>>162860142
I don't need the DLC to crush you scrubs

>>162860340

[email protected]

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>>162860687
Hmm, yes, very interesting

>>162860878
On a side note, I wonder why Illwinter use the illuminati symbol over other things to represent scouts, especially when there are actual ulmish illuminati (or just spies in general as opposed to scouts) that could've maybe used a different symbol

>>162860340
>>162860687
>>162860878

Should I expect an email by now?

>>162862407
Sorry, I wasn't checking the thread. Sent.

>>162864325

Sorry, I assumed you were illuminati-anon. No rush.

>>162858892
The obviously winning player has finally deigned to actually try and win the game.

>>162858892
I became the latest member of the Mari-and-Atlantis comedy troupe to trip over my oversized clown shoes and fall flat on my red rubber nose

>>162815112

Excellent Dick Dastardly use.

Does anyone know how large TC is?
I feel like he's neighboring everyone.

is VD dead?

>>162866651
Cool's apartment got attacked by a water elemental, so we're waiting for him to not be a hobo anymore

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Agartha used innovation on me. I demand rollback.

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oi. how hard is it to mod the game? we were shitting around on a /co/ thread when we reaised pic related is practically a dominions game. It has everything to add: a bitching map, factions, pretenders, mercenaries, neutral units, summonables. i've got half a mad to make it myself

>>162840523
very long. growth merely improves growth by 60% of it iirc.

>>162871843

As easy to mod as a game can be. Overhaul mods are a shitload of work though. Good luck.

what should ea arco communions cast? i've been casting big buff but I'm not seeing many results. I think I should switch to attack spells, but I have no idea which.

>>162872665
well i've got a couple free months.

i'll try to add in a couple test nations and unit and see how hard it is.

>>162870919
Show me on the doll where Agartha touched you, Anon.

>>162871843
Read this
http://www.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_modding(dot)pdf

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>>162873506
sweet

>>162873228

I don't know how big the k6bd/dominions crossover crowd is, but more power to you .

>>162873738
>>162871843

What is this comic? Modding dominions is weird you write up notepads using dominions' own code language basically, number-codes that mean stuff, and then the game parses that into a new nation or whatever. Making more than a few nations is probably beyond any man, no matter how autistic.

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>>162873369

He... he used an innovative crossbow fire and retreat strategy. I expected to beat him but instead he has 200 crossbows left. It's unfair.

>>162873228
Get NationGen, generate 1 nation, and use that as your base for practice. In about an hour, you'll be able understand enough of what you're looking at to make one from scratch.

>>162874523
>innovative

where are your flanking units my man

>>162874375
It's Kill Six Billion Demons, my man.

>>162841853
Costs on nonsacred troops are too high now. Aim for 10 for normal units. Weak units like the levies can possibly be a gold or two cheaper and elites like the hoplites can be a gold or two more expensive.

It's good that you switched to weak poison on the archers, but poison bow generally has 9 damage on the primary attack.

>>162842874
>is there a way to make monsters summon automatically in your dominion or something.
Event modding should be able to do that.

>>162839161
I'm doing Earthpower, Legions of Steel, Strength of Giants or just Legions of Steel, Strength of Giants with the few Panii I have high enough in earth magic now that I'm playing while actually awake enough to plan things instead of just throwing more fodder at the problem

Didn't really think they had enough raw HP for regen to be worth it though

>>162878445
Legions of steel does nothing for for maenads, it buffs armor pieces and they have no armor.

>>162879060
shieeettttt

>>162879401
>>162879401
Use Marble Warriors

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>>162876774

If you mean tengu, I haven't bought any. A tengu without an arrow fend is sad crow-man. That was an Earth Elemental army.

dededededededededededededededededed

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Methinks this land begs for van rulership.

Let us found a new society, and call it.. Midgard.

>>162861804
They do use it for spies. Scouts dont get their own symbol.

>>162874375
One dude made 14 mods this year and most of them cover the full range of ages.

>>162882370
I saw the fight and I can confirm it was fun.
t. Innovative Gryphons

>>162868389

In Soviet Russia the water drinks you.

Good news and bad news.
The good news is Today I finish my shitty christmas tests so we are going back to 24 hour turns.
The bad news is the game is being postponed for 4-6 days because the rats are visiting family for christmas. As tempting as it would be to let them chain-stall for the next 4ish days it would be a bit of a dick move
A very, very tempting dick move

>>162890251

You mean fun to watch your two largest neighbours slaughtering each other?

>>162890860

Compromise. Just don't set the turn timer back down. He'll still chainstale, but only once or twice.

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>>162890860

Stay true to the Light side, memethrone admin. Listen not to the blandishments of the badmins. Anger leads only to defeat, not to the victory of adminning that you crave.

>>162874375
nigga i busted out la machaka in less than a day, shit's easy

>>162895773
Did you change any sprites? If so how did you do it and how would someone with no spritework experience get started?

>>162896727
i used #copyspr, but i do plan to make my own. save the sprite that is closest to what you want from the inspector and edit it in photoshop or paint.net

>>162894578
Number 2 was clearly a meme character in that cartoons, if you ask me.

Kinda like the Therodos of KND.

>>162893182
Not really, I mean fun to watch that many Earth elementals craving for hummie blood.

>>162897496
He was the token "geek tech-savvy" guy from the group.

Number 3 was more meme-sque.

>>162897785
>disliking cute girls
What are you, gay?

>>162898385
Number 3 (male) > Number 3

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>tfw I finally realized that story events are on
Gee, I sure love being fucked in the ass by a late-game army in the second year of ascension wars.

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>>162900083
Reward's worth it though, right?

>>162900083

What exactly is a 'late-game army' to you?

>>162897605

>allowing earth elementals to drink human blood

That's how you get illearths, anon.

>>162903192
what have you got against illearths? they didn't ask to be made that way.

>>162903256

Abominations of blood and soil, to be cleansed with flame and blade so once again the shallow earth can be pure. Pedoseion's heart on an altar of black ebony, rebound five times and burnt, and a new Earth King born from the ashes, one clean of his predecessors taint.

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I hope you guys realize that Ermor's victory is canon and nothing else matters.

Lanka are you here? I see you're right below Xibalba, are you planning to fuck them up?
Also what the fuck why did Xib make a fort 1 province away from their cap? Doesn't that fuck with the resources that get assigned to the cap?

>>162903882

Only matters if you care about res.

Xib doesn't.

>>162903882
Fuck I meant DriftKing Lanka

>>162904597
>telling xibalba you want to invade him
Prepare to get some bats in your lands.

Could you please move the timer back to 24h? I think everybody was fine with that pace, and there are always 4 fags that wait until the last time to take their turns. I dont want to wait 2 days for new turns.

>>162904684
I didn't say that I asked Lanka if he's trying to fuck em up because he's right below that fort they built near the capital.
But just to be clear I want to see the bats DIE

I have 2 A1 master smiths. How good are Bows of War? 1 gem for 13 arrows every turns seems like a good thing to stick on an indie scout to let it kill PD1 provinces

>>162903828

Ermor's EA victory is canon. They get their shit pushed in by Mari in MA.

>>162906141
Sorry, can't hear you over my 7000 skeletons.

>>162905246
>How good are Bows of War?

Not as good as owl quills.

Magoth x Bifrons OTP

>>162907990
You can recruit indie commanders named Magoth and Bifrons. Why on earth would a mother name her child after a goddamn devil

>>162904869
Nigger you need to learn some subtly You can see my steam account, you should probably ask these things that way so it isnt broadcasted to the entire world..

Congrats to Sum1won's Ulm for the win.

I find it hilarious that, just as I predicted, all their neighbors would be eaten one by one by their aggression and they'd do nothing to stop it. Truly domg.

>>162906141
The only canon ascension war is the one that happens when you start a game. All mentions of previous ascensions wars and their victors are speculatory fanfiction.

>>162910668
>It's another Nicknight diplomancy episode

>>162910668
Yeah, it's hopeless and you should do an AI.

>>162911567
Nobody mentioned an ascension war.

Is there a map that's 80+ provinces with a cavern network like on Valanis that isn't unbalanced as all hell?

>>162911915
I was more wondering if we'd just do a global concession. Everyone more or less seems to have already surrendered to Ulm anyway. They pretty much have the position Ryleh held in Der Gotter (if Sauro hadn't gone AI albeit).

I just can't see the point in making this game last 100 more turns while Ulm lumber to the stupid high throne requirement.

>>162850518
Missing the
skullstaff + flailing hands + copper arm x2 + skullface.

Sorta want to make a goofy as fuck Heavy Metal nation with berserking warriors from a bunch of genres
like, Thrash Metal Warriors are the most common, decent troops, but nothing really special. The foundation of your armies. Power Metal or Heavy Mithril Mages. Nu-Metal serfs/arrow catchers. Viking Metal heavy infantry, Speed Metal cavalry

Priests play songs, channeling the power of the Gods of Metal which buff troops

With mercenaries, is the minimum bid for the previous contractor halved, or does everyone else have to bid at least double the minimum bid in order to have a chance (assuming the previous contractor places a bid)?

>>162913382
the second

>>162913868

Eeesh. Thanks.

Another question. Is there a way to look at your pretender's statsheet before they come out of dormancy? I'm subbing, and I have no idea what my pretender is. If not, is there another way to figure out what your bless effect is without seeing it in battle?

>>162914134
Check your prophet. They're permanently blessed.

>>162914134
Your prophet has it all the time. If your prophet is dead, send an indie priest into battle alone scripted to bless, then retreat. And there is no way that I know of to check your pretender design after the game has started

>>162914219
>>162914256

That worked. Thanks.

>tfw you misclick and research blood magic instead of thaumaturgy, wasting 500 RP and next turn you NEED Iron Will to counter Shadow Blast

>>162912979
Sounds dope. The world needs another nation with heavy armor.

>>162915056
Iron Will to counter shadowblast? wha?

Also >irl aboleths
http://i.imgur.com/jYuYsJT.gifv

Anyone have a a skeleton/ghost version of the happy merchant?

And so, it is with heavy hearts that the people of Sauromatia realised a terrible truth in their hearts. They would never be able to live up to their true masters, they would never rise to such heights. But they could still be useful. Their armies would be laid low, their people put to work, their magics and wonders snuffed out. But, in the end, they were happy because in this way they would be at one with their spiritual liege, Like A Hurricane. And they would be content with their lot, happy to serve in servitude as they had failed in allegiance.

>>162915415
Make that shit into a webm nigga.

>>162915415
SB is MRN
IW increases MR

>>162865202

Ni hao

The mole-chinese border many nations because the underground have many exits.

>>162915596
And reasons like this are why we may as well call the game.
Ulm is apparently vastly better at diplo than me, is stomping everyone on every graph at this point (if he wasn't Sauro would post only those graphs to show otherwise). With the combined might of the UW nations it might be feasible to beat him, but considering R'lyeh would rather help . . . . and the other do nothing.

The game is effectively over. Enough so that I've begun asking around to all the others about conceding so we can end it.

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Before a big battle, teleport dudes with slave matrices on the other guys stack. Their mages pick up the matrices and will be useless in the fight.

>>162909473
But I never mentioned who I am
Also I don't care either way because I already attacked them directly and they will react some time soon but so far nothing happened. Also Lanka and at least one more nation are around their territory now, conquered a province of theirs and here's hoping they'll go on the offensive more

>>162916623
I don't think things like slave collars get dropped on death

>>162916724
Slave collars don't, but matrices do. Source: I just picked up one in a game.

>>162916623
Why would making all his mages communion slaves make them useless?

>>162916932
Because communion slaves don't cast?

>>162917080
I thought they did? You have the top guy in the casting order cast communion master, cast power of the spheres, then all his slaves cast Stellar Cascades? Or are they all Masters as well?

>>162917080

I thought crystal matrices just gave you communion master, it doesn't actually give other people communion slave. Also, can you actually use the opponent's communion slaves?

>>162917248
That doesn't work in dom4 unless they're innate spellcasters

>>162815112
I mean, when Gilgamesh wanted to fuck with Enkidu, the first thing he did was get the guy a whore, so it's consistent with the original myth.

>>162917456
There's Crystal Matrix, which makes you a communion master, but there's also Slave Matrix, which makes you a communion slave. You can't use an opponent's communion slaves - the point is to seal off their casting to mess the opponent's battle plan. Obviously you need to have tha actual battle on the same turn or they'll just take the matrices off.

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EA Abysia Summod/ME. Which god should I choose? This bloke to cast the ME nationals and second sun with the helm booster?

>>162917649

Have you tested this?

>>162874375
How the fuck is that weird?

How is it difficult?

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>>162917672
Or this guy, to give my sacreds N9 and still have decent scales (but require luck to get all the nationals)?

>>162916569

Oh please, this diplomonstering in AT is quite sad

Both you and Ulm are pretty much crying about how sad it is for the two of you. Fucking fight like men instead like bitches.

>>162917769
Which part? The fact that communion slaves do not cast is well known. I know that Slave Matrices do get picked up because I just picked one up in an actual game. It's where I got the idea. I haven't had the occasion to actually try it in a real game. It's a somewhat expensive plan and requires some boundary conditions to be useful. Namely, the opponent should have too many commanders besides key mages in their stack.

I guess it'd also work on a rampaging thug/SC assuming it has a free slot to pick up the matrix.

>>162917248
A common strat to stop your communion slaves dying from fatigue is to have your master cast slave himself as his 5th spell, which stops him from casting and wasting his turns self buffing, which could in turn deliver enough fatigue to his slaves to kill them, if you have enough masters.

>>162917830
>you should totally fight the biggest dude, with multiple allies, when you have none to minimal help, on your own

I don't even. I'm asking for concession because perfect scripting and play at this point on my part still means Ulm wins.

The real issue is I never should have tried fighting Ulm. I should have known that the answer is always to crush and eat more little people to snowball yourself than to try and stop some other snowballer - because the latter is literally impossible on domg.

>>162919039
please stop whining

>>162918728
cri moar

>>162919479
>>162919904
Well . . . there is one global that might help things . . .

>>162917816
It's not
Shit's easy as fuck, actually. In my experience the hard part is sprites and actually thinking up what you want.

>>162918728
If you want a concession just quit and decide Ulm or whatever won. Fuck, pretend that you won. Nobody really gives a damn who wins games anyways. You don't need to stay in the game.

>tfw a neighbor has done something very stupid
>about to take advantage of it
I'll tell y'all more next turn.

>>162920687
At least mention the game so I can go back and check over my turn 1000 times in case it's one of the ones I'm playing.

>>162919039

This is a game about becoming the sole winner, counting on madly diplomonstering yourself to victory doesn't help. Yes you should have eaten youself to victory, as should everyone. Complaining that your diplomonstring didn't work is a non issue, just as complaining that your combats didn't go your way.

>>162920917
It's probably at least one of them, might as well check them all.
Don't worry, if you do that kind of thing, you wouldn't have made this particular mistake.

>>162920687
fuck, now i'm gonna be shitting bricks for the entirety of tonight
Please at least tell what time the turn resolves at

>>162920221
Do it faggit

>>162920687
>>162920970
Thanks now I won't be able to sleep at night. Elaborate on what happened next turn or I'll send some skeletons to your house.

It's probably some novice who left 20 provinces with no PD in LA and his scout network is about to turn into an elfing, only to discover that two other players did the same thing and there's a hilarious scout-fight in each of the poor lad's provinces

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>>162921603

that mythical 0 PD scout network elfing

Whenever someone forgets to put a PD in and I can take a province with a scout it's a glorious feeling, imagine that x20.

>>162921603
jokes on you i have 10 PD everywhere

>>162917672
>>162917827
Help please~

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>>162920687
What game are you referring to?

>>162922205
Yours =)

>>162922205
Dominions 4

>>162921972
>Not having at least 50 PD in every province asap

>>162922215
How's your degeneracy going anyways? We haven't seen your lovely smile in ages.

>>162916642
I dont need to know who you are for you to hit me up on steam.

>>162922324
I don't think that's the real innovative dog

>>162920923
Ulm is using wallhacks plz nerf

>>162922324
He laid siege to a coastal fort full of priests in enemy dominion while vengeful water was up.

>>162922684
Innovative!

>>162922315
>spending that much money on immobile PD
>when you could spend it on armies
Innovative.

>>162909473
>>162922405
Oh wait you're Lanka? I got confused
Whatever man, Xibalba can already see you there so it's not like he doesn't know something is up, I just wanted to know for sure what were your intentions

>>162922063
I'd go for the first guy. Basically your first guy helps late game and your second helps early game, and EAbysia has issues late game more than early.

Burning Ones are decent without a bless and as your sacreds are cap limited it will drop off in utility over time.

>>162922979
I was just taking what free provinces I could.

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>>162922891
>Implying I need armies to win
I am too innovative for this general, I am BEYOND innovation

>>162923168
Ermor and Lemuria don't need armies.

They just need to cling onto and rot whatever they hold.

>>162923218
t. guy who never won with either of these nations

>>162923005
<3 Thank you kindly.

oi, two questions:

how do you see when a unit has strength, mr etc, etc buffs in combat? I've noticed that it's shown when the bonus is from blessings but I haven't seen any for magic when my makes are almost exclusively bless centered

2. what are some good offensive spells for arco communions? if buffing doens't work as much as I though I gotta look for something new.

>>162916569
>Asks for people to surrender
>One does
>Gets mad

>>162924292
Gift of Heaven spam with Wind Guide from your national only bitches is a solid option.

As is Stellar Cascade spam.

You can also do Firestorm and Fireball strat with your mystics who get 2F.

>>162917672
>>162917827
EA Abysia doesn't necessarily need its god to be able to cast its globals. Outside boosters (E booster, F1D1 skull) can help, though.

>>162924362
You do realized I asked *after* one surrendered, right?

I mean, if everyone else was doing it already . . . (and its telling that Berytos was pretty much the only nation that wouldn't have it, which is perfectly fair considering they've mostly been in there own little world the whole game, ignored by me and Ulm).

The most common other response was give it 5-6 more turns.

>>162922315
t. Teaching feeling Ulm

>>162924495
I haven't played in pretty much a year.

I tried the standard scenario with arco , learned how to create thugs, what scales and bless works with the greek fucks and what us useful and isn't in the army

my current strategy until recently was using the communion to beef the fuck up of my pegasi, then attack rear while tramplers kill up front

however my problem is that near the end of the game when it's just me and the ai, i'm getting swarmed by common armies *4 my size and i'm certain my communions should do short work of them, as the ai can't into magic. of course i was just spamming units without thinking what orders to give them, but the impact of that is minor compared to badly used mages.*

I figure I ain't leaving singleplayer until all my ai matches end up in curbstomps, so it seems beefing up sacreds won't carry armies alone.

So my mages should use area of effects? Do ironskin, will of the fates, doom and all army affecting buff/debuffs do much? am I the only one bothered that I can't order flyiers to specifically target mages?

*it did let me watch an absolutely badass showdown between two beefed up golems and my prophet, his second in command and my sacred pegasi commander after the 1040-220 armies routed each other. (I learned that flying, invigoration and ethereal make you pretty untouchable when kitting pegasi)

>>162927310
>am I the only one bothered that I can't order flyiers to specifically target mages?
No, please. Fliers are cancerous enough as they are, they don't need to be able to snipe enemy mages.

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Please join these games so we can start before Christmas

As compensation, I have included a picture of my two kattes

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Lucky_Thirteen

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=PureSkill

>>162927310
Well it would help if you mentioned which Arco. My advice was for EA Arco in particular for which I'd use Oriads to cast Fog Warriors on my army and Mage Engineers (or other Oriads) to cast RoS before I sweep in with elementals and other troops to deal with huge stacks.

>>162928000
you use summons for arco?

I guess it makes sense, given that every single arco unit is expensive as fuck and ranges 10-15 hp

>>162927993
Do your kattes let you brush their fur?

>>162928262
Well you have a lotta magical diversity (cross-path too, hello green lions!) which means both a lot of magical sites ( thus gems) and access to lots of different summon spells.

I'm sure that's what Shillwinter intended too, since Arco gets bonuses for running Sloth 3, a nation of "intellectuals" who hires/summons a fighting force instead of nurturing it themselves.

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>>162928714

Yes

well

I make them let me

>>162928838
I guess that depends on whether you are lucky enough to not loose your empowered wizards while looking for sites

What's more important in a weapon, more damage, or more length? And what's the best damage type? pierce damage because it ignores 20% armour?

>>162928859
Mine actually loves it. She'll climb into my lap when I pick up the brush, and then nuzzle me with her face when she decides that I'm done before hopping off to go disappear somewhere in my apartment.

>>162929441
>>162928859
>>162928714
>>162927993
>domg - cat care general

>>162929056
Don't empower wizards for site searching, jfc

>>162929391
I t D e p e n d s

>>162927993

What's the general skill level of lucky thirteen? Would they be willing to take a hyperscrub?

>>162927993
>LA
kys

>>162929665

Sure why not, playing is learning. It has no limit on skill

>>162929576
>Don't empower wizards for site searching, jfc
?? one path in magic cuts it? are you sure?

>>162930371
Mystics are cheap niggah, you can easily get 2 access on most paths.

That or invest more points into luck.

>>162927993
Joining one of those, looking forward to seeing more pictures of your cats in the future!

>>162927993
>Story events on
pls

>>162920687
It was a lack of PD. Turn resolved, it wasn't as thorough as I expected and I lost some scouts, but a free province is a free province.

>>162931863
>none of my games have had their turns resolved
thank god. What game is it?

>>162929665
As long as you don't stale at the first sign of adversity

>>162932363
Joke's on you, I'll join and AI on the first turn

>>162929968
no u

>>162932430
same

>>162932430
I wouldn't doubt it

>>162932430
>>162932589
>>162932607
In that case I'll be going AI also.

>Tisor assures us that he's not the scariest nation since Per-en is bigger
>starts rolling over Per-en like it was nothing
eric, simply eric

>>162932995
>two players AI already

>>162932834
In that case, I'll be going AI as well.

>>162932995
>Per-En eating some poor unfortunate lad
>beating on his capital
>get asked for help
>send groups to one empty province and one with 20 troops to cut off their siege supplies
>"rolling over Per-En like nothing"

This message was brought to you by Propaganda-Tron 9001.

>>162932834
>>162932995
>>162933742
In that case, I'll be going AI as well.

>>162933793
t. malakalakhyfcajkhgaghjvcb

>>162933959
r u o k

>>162933168
Omen and Sesgorice are AI. Nadasunsa has no un-seiged provinces. Caevie and Sithis, though alive, are small enough that they're also basically fucked. Zimbaluia and Vittamen are on the borderline, theoretically could still be relevant if something significant changes, but not headed that direction now. Per-en, Tisor, Murmar, and Aoisapoka are contenders. Of those, Tisor is hands-down the scariest, but would definitely lose if up against both of Per-en and Aoisapoka, and also one of Vittamen or Zimbaluia. Against any two of those, would probably be weakened enough to give the victory to Murmar, who has a huge advantage in that he lacks strong neighbors.

>>162934154
t. Malakal

>>162934252
Not sure how Vittamen would be much of a threat to Tisor. Unless you mean in conjunction with someone else or something.

>>162934408
>Unless you mean in conjunction with someone else
Yeah, that's why I used the word "also".

>>162934298
You look much better now. I am glad that you have gotten well.

>>162934252
>winter of year two
>Nostradamus over here already telling us how the game will end
Okay mate

I'm sorry I staled, but it was because of a girl. And I only lost like 80% of my army, so it doesn't matter that much.

>>162936485
Good, it seems my plan has worked perfectly.

i turned in my conjunction turn 3 mintues late im really mad

Need only one more person for Lucky13.

>>162936980
In that case, I'll be going AI as well.

>>162936939
You had 24 hours to turn it in nigger.

>>162935471
You can usually tell by year two who the major powers are and who's liable to come out on top with certain gangups.

coming back home from university and was gone the entire day going across country, forgot to ask delay, its my fault :v(

im losing anyways so its fine

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>when you notice how much territory abysia has
>then you actually look how big the map is
>there's only 6 players

>then it hits you like a 1000 ton boulder on your head that everyone probably has like 20 provinces while you have only 8
gg no re

>>162936485

That's what you get for being a filthy normie.

>>162940051
just eat abysias land, they're not a meaningful threat.

>>162940051
At least your cap isnt under siege by indys.

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SEND YOUR TURNS REEEEEEE


Changing the turn timer to 48h was clearly a mistake.

>>162940150
Sorry for disappointing you. I wanted to script all my vans to spam air elementals, and it killed your army in 5/5 test battles because falling fires are not magical damage, but you know, normie things.

>>162940159
No, he's a pal and I wouldn't fuck with him
... Also is this Ermor or R'Lyeh speaking
>captcha East Mexico

>>162940051
Thanks for those death gems by the way.
>>162940159
What a mean thing to say.

>>162940051
You know what would help out your expansion? Some lovely items!

Please buy my items

Please

>>162940478
>has master forgers
>charges extra for items
Shamefur dispray.

>>162940347

So you moved your sneaky army in and didn't even bother to script them?

lel

>>162940570
oy vey, the goyim are onto us!
I'll revise pricing next turn anyway. A special on dwarven hammers too!

>>162940703
>>162940347
>falling fires isn't magic
wat

>>162940817

My xbows also had flaming arrows cast on them, so although those elementals would have been of more use than nothing, I still think I would've won that battle.

>>162940817
I just checked and he's right. watafak

>>162940478
>Me allied with the jews
NEVER
Unless you give me a free item as proof of your non jewery

>>162940943
We can always roll back and see who wins ;^)

>>162941183
I'm not gonna give up my jew roots so easily! But I can sell you something at a hefty discount. What items are you lacking in? I can sell owl quills at 2 gems per, if that's your thing

>>162941381

Now that would be just downright unfair to the rest of the players. You should just go run some more simulations.

>>162941810
I did. Air elementals are extremely good against both x-bows and mediocre fire spells. Not that it matters now, but you'll see some of them in the future, I'm sure.

>>162941896

That was meant as a quip, mate.

And thanks for telling me what you're going to do, btw.

>>162941498
Quills are for research right? I don't know what to research as Sceleria so
Honestly I think I need advice from /domg/ on what to buy. I was thinking of items to put on my pretender so I can kamimaze him, he has Immorality anyway so I don't need to worry about him dying.

>>162941996
I'm not in any condition to recognize humor right now, my man. And it's not like you can quickly muster a counter for mass air elementals, especially for a mass xbow army.

>>162942047
Your next line is 'you mispelled Immortality'

>>162942047
In your own dominion. If he dies outside his own dominion he'll die for real.

>>162942047
What's your Steam? I've already declared my neutrality (I'm going to sell the throne in my cap ring at some point, like a true jew ahahaha) so I can help a little

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>tfw find all the good indies as MA Ermor
>can't use any of them
sucks

>>162942352
You should've gone innovative Ermor and made use of extensive bloodhunting. Bloodbooting your important humies + Burden of Time works wonders.

>>162942195
Dude. Size 6 fire elementals.

>>162942246
I'm on phone now so I don't know how to link directly
But if you search for "dojyan?" in the steam friends search you'll find me. My avatar is a picture of a handsome blonde american president.

>>162943756
friend request sent

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A few questions
Will Blood Vengeance reflect Banishment damage?
Will Twist of Fate/Glamour let Blood Vengeance activate?

Is this pretender fine for Ermor? Air 4 is for Raven Feast

>>162945045
Is that for summod?

>>162945232
vanilla MA Ermor
should I be playing modded? I'm fairly new and only just got a grasp on basics

>>162945045
Yes.

Yes.

Take Lich Queen, and have a great immortal supercaster or go all the way for N9B9. This is just mediocre and unoptimized.

>>162944220
>>162943756
I love it when games create friendships.

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>>162945504

>>162945045
>misf 3
wow

>>162945045
You have F2/D on your Dusk Elders, and you can summon elemental kings with them, so you don't need it on your pretender. D4 you can get from an elder, and you can't even get tarts with it, so why even bother?

Misfortune 3 will fuck you in the ass. Most builds use L3M3 for sweet bonus gems/gold per turn.

Non-immortal rainbows can't be used in combat effectively.

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>>162945345
I did something like that

dropped magic 3 to 1 so I dont get -1 MR at home

How do you guys prepare your first invasion in a game?

>>162945286
Summod Ermor is substantially different in that it starts with 5 death gems per turn instead of 15.

MA Ermor has numerous freespawning sacreds and you can make more with spells or by reanimating. So N9/D9/B9 blesses are very effective due to the sheer number of your sacreds. A rainbow sitesearcher/researcher is of course alluring for a nation so dependent on gems and magic but high death and strong sacreds are more important in my opinion.

Also
>Misfortune 3
This will guarantee you very unenjoyable times combined with turmoil and sloth. Additionally, it will deprive you of your main income, finding 1000+ gold treasures.

t. a guy who hasn't won a single time with Ermor

>>162945675
>dom 5
Hurts your skeleton freespawn severely.

>F/D
Again, you got it on your national mages, it's redundant on your pretender.

>A2
Shit path with no ability to boost effectively. You have A1 on your elders for sitesearching/Wind of Death. You already have S for magic phase movement.

Overall, the build is unfocused. You can go for tribless and rape everyone in early-game while saving a lot of points for L3/M3, or you can go full focused rainbow with useful paths and late-game diversity (A4E4S6D6 lich queen is a good example). You're trying to have the cake and eat it too.

>>162946030
I move my obvious armies up to my border on the turn that I decloak or fly into + magic phase assault all of his less defended provinces. This way I'll likely have defensive advantage for the actual battles.

>>162945637
D4 is for extra blood vengeance damage and earlier Dusk Elder summoning instead of having to empower the starting guy

>>162946136
>extra blood vengeance damage
Now this is just retarded.

Please, explain what you hope to gain from it again.

>>162946124
>Hurts your skeleton freespawn severely.
Everything else is right, but I've tested this and low dom Ermor's freespawn is surprisingly okay. If I play MA Ermor again, I'll be using an INNOVATIVE 4 dom strat

>>162946136
>D4 is for extra blood vengeance damage
wat

>>162946247
I won 6 games as MA Ermor, and even dom7 hurts your freespawn.