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Nemesis Chest Edition


>What is Grim Dawn
Grim Dawn is an ARPG made by a few left over developers from Iron Lore Entertainment who also made Titan Quest along with a few other devs including one D1/D2 designer. Currently you can't really pirate it because it breaks NPCS and quests (custom DRM I'm guessing) but there is a DRM free version planned for launch.

>What are some features
Dual Class System
Faction-Based Questing
Refined Loot Drops
300+ Hero Monsters
Destructible Environments
Dynamic Weather
Recipe-Based Crafting
Modding Tools (Future)
DRM Free Version (At launch in February 2016)
Survival Mode (think endless dungeon) (for all backers)
More here http://www.grimdawn.com/guide/about/featurelist.php

>FAQ
http://www.grimdawn.com/guide/about/faq.php

>Game Guide
http://www.grimdawn.com/game.php

>Wiki
http://grimdawn.wikia.com/wiki/Grim_Dawn_Wiki

>Advanced mechanics
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23720

>Build Planner
http://grimcalc.com/
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23967

>Item Database
http://gracefuldusk.appspot.com/items

>Store Page
http://store.steampowered.com/app/219990/

>Why is this game taking so long to make?
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?p=257065#post257065

>Trade
Post in the thread, in the forums or in the ledit.

>Story summery by aniki:
https://imgur.com/SJIlwBX

>Devotion skills level 1 - max level comparisons
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30184

>Previous nemesis chest drop:
>>128572754
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Fuck you too game.
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>>128789145
What are some of the "right devotions"? I'm tempted to reroll when I finish Ultimate as my Conjurer. More-so, reroll as 1h melee + shield. Not sure on classes, either. Soldier, of course. At first I thought + arcanist, but + demo or + nb sounds legit as well.
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First for AAR being the worst skill in the game.
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>>128789848
Light of Empyrion, Targo's Hammer and Manticore are the main ones I'm using. Then just anything that gives OA and OA%.
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>>128790154
Yeah, sadly the beam skill is a little tedious (same with the others, conflag, oblit etc) I love beam skills in ARPG but damn GD just falls short. Huge pain in the ass to use (gear, energy, the delay and ticks in damage)

>>128790425
I'll write these down. Wouldn't mind preparing my shieldfag a little before I start it (still a while away) How tanky do you need to invest to be very tanky? I've never used shield in GD before. Like in PoE you need to invest your soul to be a proper block character. My goal is just to be a very tanky asshole but I've no idea how realistic this is or if you try to balance offense and defense.
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is there viable hc builds for dee caster ?
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>>128789848

You can't go wrong with any of the early access but highly useful stuff like Hawk, Empty Throne, Crane, Viper and so on. Later on, the more defensive orientated procs are a good choice, like Giant's Blood and Chariot of the Dead, Dryad's blessing. Most offensive procs either scale badly at this point, or just suck as compared to their defensive counterparts. A couple of very useful offensive procs are the Manticore and Assassin's blade. Getting stuff that gives OA is always good as well.
But unless you play Hardcore and plan on getting to ultimate, it doesn't really matter and you can experiment as you please.

For a shield user, you'd want to get Anvil and Autumn Boar for shield proc, and maybe some DPS devotions, like Bull or Dire Bear, together with Assassin's Blade for reduced enemy defenses. You can go from there to either more shield procs with stuff like Targo the Builder or Obelisk of Menhir, or take the offensive route getting to Oleron and Unknown Soldier.
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>>128790638
It's very easy to become tanky in GD. Basically as soon as you cap out Shield Training you're good to go. Don't forget to take War Cry and put 3 points in the transmuter for fear CC.
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>>128790932
Another great reply, thanks, anons.

I'll admit I've more-or-less ignored non-pet devotions (just focusing on my Conjurer since B28 or whatever, quite a while anyway) I'll have to take a further look into the devotion tree, specifically the ones mentioned by you anons.

>>128791129
For sure on Warcry. I'm amazed at how people neglect it and I'm not even a Soldierfag. What's retaliation like? At least on Ultimate. There are mixed thoughts about it in the community. I wouldn't go out of my way for it but it seems decent if you're expecting to get hit a lot.

And how do shieldfags sustain themselves? (ie 1v1 boss fight where you'll be getting nuked/slapped for a while)
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>>128786465
build plz
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>>128790638
Oh I love beam builds they're the coolest shit in games but they're always the worst. And in grim it's pretty unplayable, I'm pretty sad since I completely respected and geared for it and it's awful compared to replicating missile.
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>>128790425
>Light of Empyrion
Quite point intensive, is it as good as the text says?
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>>128792836
it's pretty rad and if your into paladin RP it's a nice visual. but it's the rest of the constellation that's frankly awesome, tons of resists and even a 3% additional max resist that makes it good
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going to try gun shaman, will report back after I clear act 1
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Are the legos from the last quest completly random or are there some restrictions, like no weapons?
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>>128791340
Retaliation is good, but you need to stack lots of different sources of it. Devotions and gear help with this. Devotions especially. 1v1 I have no problem with anything. I can facetank whatever I want as long as I use my cooldowns in a smart rotation.

>>128792836
hefty investment for sure but you get what you pay for. A shitton of resists and a good proc.
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>>128795209
I got a weapon from it.
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>>128793449

I'm also working on this, just got to the labs and been fine most of the time.

Any ideas on what devotions to get? and other classes?
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>>128797787

arcanist
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>>128791340

Biggest problem with retaliation is well, all the ranged enemies. It just turns into a slug when you have to fight them. It is still possible to make a strong a viable build with it, there was a video on the previous thread where some guy kills Log on ultimate with just retaliation on b30.

>And how do shieldfags sustain themselves?
We sustain ourselves thanks to all the shield and health procs, and own abilities. Take for example the Dryad's Blessing devotion; on it's last rank, it has a 10% to proc on attack, and it heals 10% HP on a 3 second cooldown. The reduced poison and bleeding duration is just icing on the cake.

Damage wise you can reach the point of soloing Fabius on ultimate, so you're not reduced into being just a mob flytrap on multiplayer.

>>128792836
While I find most high tier constellations shit, Light of Empyrion is quite good. It is a good place holder until you can manage to max your resistances.

A reason I hate the high tier devotions is because you always end up picking up useless stuff to reach them, so might as well focus on getting all the good devotions that don't require you to invest in shit.
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>>128798506
what skills are you leveling? Both arcanist and Shaman?. My first shaman so this far went with Primal strike tree and 1 point in savagery and boar. tried out the totem and wind devils but I don't find them very useful but I'm a bit shy to invest much just to try it out...
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>>128798825
Who else is on suicide watch from drops? Ive been using the same vendor 2Handed weapon from A3 Veteran to A3 Elite.
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>>128799363
not me, had 4 legendaries when I finished veteran
2 were the same :)
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>>128799363
Well I'm using my third rifle at the moment and waiting to get enough cunning for the next one.
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>>128798530
>>A reason I hate the high tier devotions is because you always end up picking up useless stuff to reach them
Exactly, thats why I tried getting there and oh man, that stuff proccs so often, its amazing.

Kinda. But I guess the whole soldier/nightblade combo is just bullshit, this was just wrong on so many levels even with 44% aether res
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>>128799363
About 150~200 legendary drops, with about 75% of them being duplicates :^), and until yesterday, I still had a shitty level 40 yellow belt from A3 Veteran into Log Ulimate and a gorillion BoC/SoT runs.
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I was wondering, do you guys think builds that are fun are that way because they feel fluid and involving or they are fun because they make you feel strong?
I think the game is not really good at the first thing with the squishy classes because well, you just die so fast, but pretty good about making you feel strong, especially tanky classes.
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>>128803375

When I come up with a fun concept to play with and stick to it even tho it might not be the best build around. So roleplay builds.
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>>128803375
thats why many people pick soldier as a secondary class so they can enjoy the other one in peace

i think funniest builds are the ones built around a niche skill/damage type, and making them viable
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Any good sorcerer builds?
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>>128803375
I favour skills that feel good to me, not if it is overpowered/ezmode. Like in PoE I played LA all the time since CB because it just felt right to me. No nigger used it but I really liked it. It was nice, simple, sounded and looked solid.

Haven't found anything like it in GD. I play Conjurer and it's good and all but nothing has clicked for me.

>>128801046
>>128798530
So you guys would say that Soldier NB is the best for being a shield and tanky asshole? Demo still looks solid for Blast Shield and Vindictive Flame.
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>>128804000
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30155

>>128804243
A long as you pick a soldier, any secondary will work well for a shield user. Just pick what appeals to you the most.
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>>128804243
Vindictive flame is only good for the damage but it has a cooldown and it's not even retaliation damage so you can't buff it with %total retaliation damage.
Blast shield is super far in the tree now, it's not bad but i'd take pneumatic burst over it anyday as a defensive tool.
You need to keep in mind that melee guys can put themselves in really bad situations if you use blitz and demo has no "oh shit" button like NB(or arcanist) does.
You could go demo but not for the defensive things, the offensive abilities are what you want from that class.
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Is Battlemage still shit or no?
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does anyone know how to get a retaliation build going early game or is it something you have to limp half assed to until you can do it?
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>>128805835
>battle mage shit
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>>128805084
That's a good point. Why would you pick Arcanist over NB? Outside of Maiven's Sphere and mirror. Also if you're somehow going elemental heavy perhaps. Shieldfags mind screencapping your trees? Still unsure whether to go Arcanist or NB. Arcanist with Invoker's Shard might be neato.
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>>128807472
Before Maiven sphere nerf that skill alone was worth it honestly, mirror was just icing on the cake.
If you go arcanist you can still take the nova skills and elemental damage with the new cadence transmuter.
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>>128807965
NB sounds more and more attractive the more I discuss it with anons. I really like Veil of Shadow too.
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>>128808545
curse >>> veil
sigil and blood give a ton more survivability too
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>>128808807
Anon why do you do this to me.

Actually can you even do a chaos heavy shieldfag? I'm inexperienced with melee in GD. And don't mobs always move out of Sigil making it worthless?
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>>128808926
I think they do try to avoid it but end up moving back into it so you can choke them
witchblade is definitely the most fun soldier combo because it has everything except for tankiness which is compensated by soldier
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>>128809121
Why go Occultist though? You say Curse and Blood? Possession and Raven + Mend Flesh on Defensive could be good as well.
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is the crow pretty good to spec into healing or is it shit
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>>128808545
With NB you can go S&B, dual wield or even 2-handers.
>>128808807
Veil reduces total speed not only movement speed, that's really good.
>>128809435
The crow only use is for healing pretty much
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>>128809413
go occultist if you feel like having life leech, armor, 100% ps/acid res, chaos damage, acid damage or a qt3.14 raven
I used to play pure occultist but with addition of shield mastery picking soldier is justified
just don't get bulwark, that shit's broken

>>128810186
veil is pretty irrelevant when you are stunning and petrifying shit on block/taking hits
hourglass is GOAT
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>>128807472

Here is a detailed guide for a good S&W Blademaster that can even kill Ultimate Fabius in 2 minutes:

http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30989
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why do people still use blade arc if cadence has actually more bleeding damage, more weapon damage, and more crit damage? is there some meme im missing?
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>>128812125
Why would you NOT use both if you're going for a bleed build?
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>>128812281
because nightblade is a thing and curse gets rid of enough resist to make a bigger impact than a few more hundred bleed damage
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What's the lowdown on dumping into Physique? Before November when I last played there were a lot of people on the forums who recommended it as being the best option. Now I'm seeing people saying that's changed with the latest build, why is that? Did Physique get nerfed or something?
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>have 2 characters at 50
>3 more at around 25

I can't fucking decide what to play. And the only 2 legendaries I got so far are for neither of those characters. Fucking sucks. Love the game though.
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>>128815638
No, people just got worse.

Keep on going Physique.
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We still posting characters?

This is Stelio Kontos. As mean as he is Greek.
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>>128812045
He drops low an assload of the time.
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How do people get so many legendaries? I keep seeing nemesis runs and nemesis chests but I don't know what that entails
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Best Chaos builds? Chaos Ray warlock? Melee?

There's seriously a low amount of chaos skills in this game apart from component skills.
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>>128789603
>kickstarter bait with huge gameplay chunks locked behind backing

yeah into the trash it goes
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>>128818407
Wrong thread?
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>>128818407
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>128817281
It involves finding and killing Nemeses.
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>>128818407
What's locked behind backing?
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>>128817281
Save hacking.
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>>128819434
A thank you in the credits
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>>128818707
which entails what?
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>>128820065
Reaching Nemesis status with an enemy faction and then having a build capable of killing their super-boss.
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>>128817281
They probably took advantage of the fact that before B29 or B30 you had the same chances of getting legendaries on veteran than on ultimate.
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what nemesis is the easiest to farm for legendaries for a fire damage warlock?
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I still feel that this game would be MUCH better if they dropped those retarded pure elemental daggers/scepters and created 1h ranged elemental weapons. Does anyone even use those daggers as a weapon? Why not make a sword that doesnt have physical damage, but leave it in the fucking sword category?
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>grim yawn is the first game im obsessed with since terraria
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Is it worth going into Veteran at low levels? Someone said it increased drop rates earlier.
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>>128825159
What do you mean? You should always do vet, normal is fucking boring
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>>128825159
only when you get to warden's lab
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>>128825159
Why would you not go veteran from lvl 1?
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>>128826120
Because I'm not a veteran of the game
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>>128826226
did you play titan quest?

d2?

d3?

any game ever?

do vet
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If you guys are going to be so mean, can you please put a trigger warning in the OP? Thank you kindly.
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>>128826724
I put my trigger warning in you're mom last night, check there.
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>>128826841
You can't put trigger warnings inside of people xD
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>>128826950
>xD

triggered
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>>128826950
>print a warning sign that says trigger on it
>stab a person with it until it goes through them
>rotate the sign so that it's entirely inside the open chest cavity

i'm thinking you actually can put trigger warnings inside of people
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>>128828413
Sorry :(
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yay they updated grimcalc!

Time to annoy myself trying to join the shieldbro club.
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Why the fuck do white items even exist?
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>>128829354
be glad they decided to remove grey items, now that shit was retarded.
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Why are there so few rifle builds? Are they that bad? Same with crossbows, but I rarely ever see one drop anyway.
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>>128829726
what did those even do?
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>>128832146
NEGATIVE STATS
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>>128832384
>chance to die: -50%
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>>128830681
getting the double stats from 2 pistols is always better
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Do you think they'll ever patch in good music? I'm getting kind of sick of my playlists.
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>>128830681

I made a rifle commando with the sharpshooter set a while back. It was ok, plus Oleron's rage had slow (not in the current build).

Dual-wield pistols just do so much more damage.

>tfw you can put an Imbued Silver in one and a Purified Salt in the other
>tfw 2H augments give you less stats than 1H augments

Maybe a Thunderous Strike rifle build might be good?
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muh first character to complete Ultimate

obviously the gear isn't completely finished - there's a few pieces I would switch out/regem but tradings pretty tedious and overall this guy was pretty damn good for not being a solider/arcanist and it was pretty cool dishing out more lightning than most shamans ever will

I will say I really wish there was some sort of arena unlocked when you beat Ulti Log where you could face waves of heroes, and more and more keep spawning until you're overwhelmed. The lack of any sort of endgame challenge once you're done with ulti is pretty disappointing

oh well, time to make a pistol fag
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>>128840834
>The lack of any sort of endgame challenge once you're done with ulti is pretty disappointing

That's my only problem with the game too. There's not much reason to go back once you've cleared it with a certain style/build. For all of it's problems, I always liked TL2's randomized dungeons and massive content mods. Hopefully GD can get some really great mod creators if they ever release modding tools.
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>>128841205
arent mod tools coming real soon?
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>>128841298
"real soon" to GD devs is at least a few years.
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>>128841445
That soon?

>>128838089
>maybe a rifle build might be good
I'm sorry, anon.
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Has there been any more info on possible future masteries beyond the rifle-mastery and shield-master rumors? I know they said something about not doing anymore masteries for the base game, but possible for expansions.
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>flashbang cant proc devotion skills

fuck this shit game
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You know, I don't usually care about achievements at all, but it'd be nice if I had at least a few with my nearly hundred hours played. No idea why they've kept them locked for so long.
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>>128843148
are they even open yet
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>>128842269
Necromancer i heard
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>>128842594

Yes it can, m8.

>mfw you can bind abominable might to flashbong

What is up with -on enemy death- devotion procs being bound to active skills?
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>>128844381
I really really hope this means a debuff/summon class

I know occulist is supposed to do this but I feel like a necromancer that focuses on specific resis debuffs + specific elemental dmg all while having elemental skellys qne some cool debuff minion or something could be neat
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Vitality mage builds suck dick in the later half of the time.
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>>128846331
There are no good pure viality spells and still, the game is full of +vitality damage gear.
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>>128840834
You forgot to disable your auto-hk pneuma script before taking the screenshot.

>saboteur
I always wanted to do one. What devotion skill did you link to your firestrike? A cool Meteor shower or just a heal proc like dryad? Care to link your skill tree?
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do you guys like the idea of one shot chest or? I kinda hate it, feels less rewarding killing bosses because of it
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Anyone here have an Exonerator? I can trade you a Deviltongue or some other legendary/emporwered epic
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Does Blade Trap work against bosses?
I get that it doesn't snare them, but what about the damage/DA?
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>>128852298
nope, it just does nothing. i guess that would be way too good but it still makes the skill almost pointless.
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>>128842269
Soldier *is* a shield mastery.
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>>128852298
The debuff is tied to the entrapment and the entrapment only stays on the enemies for a mere fraction of a second so it's pretty useless.
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>>128852236
I have an Exonerator. What Legendaries do you have? I'm looking for Shaman and Poison / Acid Occultist specific ones, if you got anything that fits the bill.
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What should I get as second class for an eye of dreek poison occultist? I'm thinking a small amount of soldier just for survivability.
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>>128854079
Arcanist is the better choice. Inner Focus, Mirror of Erectoes, Olexra's Flash Freeze and Mental Alacrity are gud son. With the way Elite and Ultimate have been rebalanced, I find that Blood of Dreeg is good enough survi for my DEE Occultist coupled with MoE and OFF. I didn't even get Maiven's Sphere.
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>>128853779
Just checked my stash, Vestments of the Great Guardian seems the only one to fit the bill
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>>128854391
I'll trade it for that if that's ok for you.
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>>128854650
Yeah that's fine
steamcommunity com/id/timeezy
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>>128854810
just open up a game, brah. I'd do it but I've had issues with people joining my games before.
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>>128854970
Hosted, game name is gdg. Pw: 1234
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>>128855090
Thanks for the trade, man. MUCH appreciated.
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>>128851115
Tempest for trash, elemental storm for big bosses like ulti moose or fabius

Skill tree is something like this

http://grimcalc.com/build/sOercX

obviously looks a bit different with gear equipped (+ skills is why some obvious stuff is left underleveled) and most importantly static strike is at the max ultimate level where it has a 70% chance to proc for well over 4k dmg.
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Do I have to reapply the health reduction from Warcry?
The skill shows no duration, except for the damage reduction.
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>>128855350
Npnp
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Is it true that Fire Strike becomes shit in ultimate?
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Looking for "Empowered Black Grimoire of Og'Napesh"

Have 1 stash of various legendaries and some good epic empowered items...
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Does this game have any builds that are fun to play and not garbage in ult?
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>>128856579
no
well, it kinda does but amarasta is even worse and speed got capped so it's a clear buff to CD builds
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Are there any lore snippets about what Dreeg is, or who the people who worship Dreeg are?
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>Dismantling now has a small chance (higher with item quality) to generate Rare Crafting Materials (ex. Blood of Ch'thon) and a very low chance of generating a Skeleton Key.
lel
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>trying to set up devotions for a cryomancer build
Why do you hate me Crate
I just want to be cool
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>>128857676
Someone said in the hotfix thread that he dismantled 30 legendaries and didn't get squat.
>Crate in charge of RNG
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>>128856591
Got any clairvoyant set pieces?
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>>128858149
Got the helm: Clairvoyant's Hat
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>"W-We totally fixed the issue with duplicate loots g-guys!"
>try to collect low level epics on low level toons
>it's always the same three ones that drop
>"That was just bad RNG :^)"
I swear, if I see the Conduit, Swampdweller's Legguards or Windborne Greaves one more time...
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>>128858938
I've found at least 4 Curse of Burrwitch on my current character.
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>>128858028
That's one thing Blizzard did right with Diablo 3 at least, the RNG doesn't fuck you over like in Grim Dawn.
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>>128858938
cry me a river >>128789778
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anyone here has a thornhide legguards or any retaliation gear?? i can trade you for legendaries,, i have some
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>>128859680
Got any summoner (pokemon master build) legis? :)
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Game needs an npc that can swap out 3 blues/purples for 1 random
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>>128857064
>>128856579

Wait, what does a demo use in Ultimate then?
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Is there even a point to dismantling crap? Seems like you're better off just farming shit, the return rate on components is fucking terrible.
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>>128859910
i got some will of bysmiel amulet
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>>128860146
Same here, and this
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>>128859047
Are you talking about release Diablo 3 here? It was just never ending useless shit.

>>128858740
That's the only piece I already have.
You should list what you have to offer.
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Does someone have the chestguard of this for trading?
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>>128860458
No I'm talking about how Diablo 3 is now. And even then Diablo 3's rng didn't fuck you over that much anyway at launch since you didn't have 30 different stats that you tried maxing out.
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>>128860576
Yeah I got it... I am looking for some summoner items
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>>128860576
I have spare one, what are you offering for it?
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>>128860667
Im >>128860291 and could give you this, or thge bysmiel amulet too.
And a Black Grimoire of OgNapesh, but unempowered.

>>128860676
A load of bullshit, several useless lego rings and some of this.
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>>128860665
A bit unfair to compare a game that had a few years of patching to once that is not officially out yet.

I remember having atrocious ring luck at launch Diablo, but as we all know with RNG it differs from each person.
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Post the game, we'll trade.
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If I'm trying to bind a devotion skill to my auto attacks as a Nightblade are my only options the Mistborne talisman and Shard of Beronath?
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>>128861026

You could use default autoattack lmao
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>>128861006
Aight

vg
vg1234
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>>128861229

Unless they changed it in the last patch you can't bind a devotion skill to auto attack, it has to be an ability or an ability that counts as your default weapon attack. Both the talisman and shard give you an ability to use as your default attack thus allowing you to bind something to them.

Just curious if there is another option.
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>>128861275
Oh and I forgot, I can craft Eve of Dominion

not sure if that helps anyone though
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>>128860919
It isn't really, they've had plenty of times to look at how Blizzard handled Diablo 3 and copy them. Even my grandma could tell you that pure RNG for loot is retarded in a slow game as Grim Dawn.
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anyone has dawnbreaker's duty,closed fist of vengeance, markovian's stratagem, dawnbreaker's shoulderguard, thornhide legguards? willing to trade my legs for it
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>>128862918
>dawnbreaker's shoulderguard
>dawnbreaker's duty

>tfw I had them and accidently deleted the character
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>>128862918

I've got the Thornhide legs, what kind of a collection do you have to choose from?
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>>128865206
well i have a lot of ranged guns/crossbow legs, what stats or item are you specifically looking for anyway
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So is trading a thing in this game? I have a couple lvl 50 legendaries that I have no use for and a LOT of blues saved up for no particular reason.
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>>128865893
only if it's HC
there's no point in trading on scrubcore
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>>128866160
Dont you have a PoE thread to shitup?
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>>128816462
STELIO
STELIO KONTOS
STELIO
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>>128866235
what's the matter?
are you denying this?
didn't know this thread is /redditgeneral/
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>>128865893
You got any arcanist/aether shit? I've got mostly ranged/soldier stuff.
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>>128865532

Well ranged items I don't have a use for unfortunately, I do need an Agony or Peerless Eye of Beronath though.
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>>128866160
>scrubcore

Go back to PoE
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>>128866451
>scrubcore is a term exclusive to PoE
>same with babbycore, plebcore and casual mode
yeah nah
2/8 for making me reply though
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>>128866160

I got my fill of HC in PoE pigeonholing me into tanky builds and basically having no fun because I have to be careful every step that a random mob with reflect doesn't instakill me. Fuck that.

I'd rather just have fun, go in swinging, die and return swinging even harder.
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>>128866615
how do you live with yourself?
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>Need corpse dust to craft Skeleton key for Black Heart of the void
>Farm it for 2 hours
>Doesn't drop
Why the fuck they made skeleton key so hard to craft I have no idea.
Dropped this fucking game.
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>>128869030
It's extremely stupid since it's not like they keys guarantee any good loot anyway.
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Anyone FPS tanks whenever they go to the top of Fort Ikon?
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>>128869072
>>128869030

Keys should have a chance to drop off King whatshisface so you can do multiple runs off one key, reducing the need to farm mats endlessly.
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How/when do legendaries start dropping? Lvl 50 and above but do the mobs need to be 50 or you too? Also does any mob above 50 have a chance to drop one?
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>>128869139
Are the keys for Bastion of Chaos single use as well? Because if they are, I am just going to move onto Elite and forgo farming for corpse dust.
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>>128869241
Make a game i'll give you one corpse dust so you can finish your quest at least
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>>128869241
Yes.
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>>128869298
Fuck my life.

>>128869289
Thanks for the offer but after farming it for 2 hours on SoT, I am kinda sick of firing it up again.
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>>128869139
You should at least get a corpse dust off him.
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Anyone want to give me some suggestions for devotions on a Cadence Blademaster? Dual-wielding for what it's worth.
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How does Grim Dawn compare to PoE, D3 and Torchlight 2?
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>we will never be able to add certain components to change SoT and BoC layout/enemies
what's so hard about coding modifiers based on extra materials put in the skeleton key?
for example coldstone and vengeful wraith would buff ice relenants and some ghosts but also increase hero spawn rate and their drops
or put extra blood of chton for a second chamber of souls
this is the closest we will ever get to custom maps as far as unmodded GD goes
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>>128870209
It's the same but different.

You're welcome.
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>>128870209

It's got a more raw, visceral feeling to it. Plays closer to PoE than D3, but I feel it's more fun than either of them. Then again, I've only got 70 hours and about five times that in D3.
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who grim fashion here
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>>128860878
are those empowered Perdition set items?
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>>128870749
>cloth_physics.jpg
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>>128871010
I didn't even realise that when I posted it, that's really spooky
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>>128870209
Fun ARPG, my favorite since Diablo 2. Flawed as fuck, though, but it's still incomplete so maybe all the weird and wonky changes the devs have made now will come together to make a cohesive whole, as they have said so themselves. It was a well balanced game in Normal/Veteran with lots of build possibilities and variety, but ever since they introduced Elite and Ultimate (the higher difficulties) the whole balance has gone to shit and the meta is basically Arcanist/Soldier + X for each character you make, effectively killing viable build variety.
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>>128870749
>slay the Necromancers

Look at this edgelord here. Do you always get off from playing the villain?
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>>128871448
but he's clearly siding with paladinfags here
edgelords pick vigil because nuthin personnel
no shame in it though
I can't stand kymon's 'chosen people'
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>>128871570
>he doesn't know

Poor fool.
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>>128871448
>m-muh knowledge
Humans can't handle it, look at Arkovia, that's what you get when you let necromancers run amok.
We will purge them all for the greater good.
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>>128871745
doesn't know what? I've had 3 chars with revered vigil status but that was a long ago
also I haven't ever touched kymon with a stick
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>>128871918
Have fun opening the floodgates for another eldritch abomination to come and fuck everyone else in the butt.

>>128872067
>also I haven't ever touched kymon with a stick

Exactly. If you did, you'd know what was really up with them and what a sham the whole faction is.
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How do you even make a caster frost build in this game? Flash Freeze/Wind Devil and spam ice spikes from a coldstone?
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>get pic related
>Nightblade/Shaman
>dual wielding mace wielder raining down death and destruction on my foes

Now all I need are some deff devotions.
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>>128872286
you don't
well, you can make a skyshard build but it's really shit in ultimate and is mostly lightnan anyway
you can't have ice w/o electricity in this game unless you go for niggablade but that leaves you rather squishy
I just wish OFF reduced lightning damage due to some superconductivity bullshit
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>>128872286
Arcanist + Shaman and fill in the blanks with components
And don't listen to >>128872478. It's extremely doable, moreso now with the new Arcanist exclusive, Star Pact.
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How extensive is the item list at Graceful Dusk, is what's there all the items in the game right now or are there entries missing?
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>>128872712

The issue I see with it is the lack of AoE clear. OFF has a fucking huge cooldown and wind devil by itself doesn't really output that much dps.

I could see a Nightblade/Arcanist spellsword type build work pretty well but Nightfall is so god damn far away and unreachable that it'd make the whole build basically require lvl 50 to even be able to do anything. Still, blinking in, OFF and ring of steel with the transmuter COULD work.
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Did anyone suffer a performance drop with the newest build? I always got a constant 60 fps with B29 but with B30 and the same setting my fps sometimes drops into the 40s.
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>>128872249
what are you talking about kymon guys are legit don't you see
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>>128873170
There are skeletons that fight besides Vigil. Who fights beside Kymon if you side with Vigil?
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>>128872938
only to be beaten to death because OFF aint freezing shit and ring barely took 10% of enemy hp on ultimate
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Can someone list the builds that are viable in ultimate on b30?
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>>128873542
blademaster
battlemage
spellbreaker
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>>128873542
>>128873874
Warlock aka DEE Occultist
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>>128873170
>crate defending sameface pets.png
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Kymon did nothing wrong
Put your faith in the true and just Empyrion and all will be well
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>>128874063
>>128873874
Any other casters or ranged builds viable?
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>>128873874
>blademaster
Holy this, thanks to some anon, I got my Juggernaut and Shard of Beronath early, but even without these shits just stupid, Im typing this WHILE being ingame and getting hit by multiple enemies.
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>>128874123
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>>128874063
isnt DEE shit at ultimate seen too manny post about how bad DEE is compare to other skills
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>>128874228
even if, one of these three masteries will be your main one
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>>128874234

>tfw want to be bad ass twin sword guy
>tfw level 28
>tfw long ass slog to get enough skill points to make the build work
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>>128874494
it stopped being bad when cast speed got capped
there's considerably more vit acid poison equipment than elememetal damage and blades got dunked on
brety gud
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>>128874534
That's my biggest issue with the game, it's a fucking slog to level up a single character. It needs to have some kind of experience farm area like Diablo 2 did.
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>>128873874
make that Witchblade as well
soldier nerfs barely scratched him while occultist buffs bumped WB from tier 2 to eldritch (hue) god tier
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>>128874534
The guy you're looking at is no badass twin sword guy, he's a shield user.
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>>128874721

It's all the same, Blademaster just grabs Beronath's and punches things to death, the other skills are just trivialities.
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>>128874721
This the damage is rather mediocre, blade arc deals massive amount of damage, but compared to a commando its pretty meh on the other hand, you just dont die if you pay a bit of attention/have resand
>>128874534
>>128874714
you can get a blank character, I will get one for my Trickster.


>>128874828
>the other skills are just trivialities.
Haha, no, Blade Barrier and Pneumatic Burst are just to good.
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What defensive skills should I level for a Warder to give him better survivability?
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>>128874898

I'd rather not have the leveling taken away from me. Even if it is a shitty grind. Also, I was being facetious Pneumatic Burst is basically the only reason you're allowed to stand anywhere near enemies in Ultimate.
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>>128874494
DEE Occultist is probably one of the best builds in Ultimate now flim flam
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>>128874898
>blank character

what?
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>>128874714
>It needs to have some kind of experience farm area like Diablo 2 did.

It does. Those Chthonic rifts in Act 3 and Act 4 are it. You get a shitload of XP from them, although post level 70 everything is a slog, even the rifts.
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>>128875439
this chtonic rift in blood grove is nothing but an extension of the area around it

theres nothing special to be found inside, aside from good chipped claw + roiling blood farm
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>>128874534
>>128874714
If you have a higher leveled character you should have a shitload of epic items just lying in your stashes, when you make a character skip everything but the main quest and shrines, you can go really fast since items are so strong in this game.
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Why are these gloves so damn good? its hard finding a replacement for them only due to how much dps the attack speed gives me.
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>>128875809
i miss TQ where a single item could give 50% attack speed combined and noone gave a fuck
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>>128875619
>theres nothing special to be found inside, aside from good chipped claw + roiling blood farm

Why don't you even know what you are talking about? The Void Leeches and Obsidian monsters are worth a shitload more XP than any other enemy in the game.
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>>128875809
You will love the empowered version of them then, pretty much BiS for my build
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>>128875809
Your next upgrade will be the Empowered version of it. Have fun with the games itemization! Please understand that Crate is a small team and can only do so much :^)
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Do skills granted by items stack? I know that two auras from two same weapons wont, but what about the chance-on-hit skills? If i have two swords with a lightning bolt chance, do they use one cooldown?
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>>128874898
blank character?
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>>128875028
>Also, I was being facetious Pneumatic Burst is basically the only reason you're allowed to stand anywhere near enemies in Ultimate.
Oh, yeah and also, never do Bastion of Chaos guys, its so not worth it.

>>128875397
>>128876775
Google blank character + grim dawn, its a completly blank character at level 60, no points put into anything
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>>128875627
I don't have a higher character, but I do have a complete set for soldier lying around in the stash since I never find anything but soldier items.
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>>128876940
why not just download a trainer and set level to 60 yourself?
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>>128876940

>Oh, yeah and also, never do Bastion of Chaos guys, its so not worth it.

Just got this, an empowered Perdition shield and 2 bloods of cthon from there. I'd say worth.
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>>128876940
100% better chance to get legendaries in Ultimate Bastion of Chaos, they said.
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Are there any items that gives your attacks -resistance% ? I'm tired of having half my damage lost due to resistance. I'm specifically talking about AAR.
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>>128877140
Because most trainers are shit, virus infested or dont work.

>>128877190
Aside from bad loot, BoT is just so tedious compared to SoT.
Especially resistance wise.
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>>128877732
Yes, but they are mostly, if not all, Legendary items.
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>>128877732
just use manticore devotion for -60% to everything, like most other builds in ultimate
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>>128877732
>>128878273
Or alternatively you could get the Manticore devotion for Acid Spray. It reduces all resistances.
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Should I kill Avatar of Modrogen or not? Can't find any information if the quests conitnue or if I get awesome loot depending on the choice.
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>devotion constellations can be dependent on themselves
lel wtf
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>>128879529
He'll fuck your shit up but go for it for the kicks
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>>128879796
Honestly I find it kind of weird how you can game the devotion system hard and get several otherwise unobtainable devotions. Do you guys think this is working as intended or did Crate just fuck up the design once again? And do you think it should stay this way or get changed?
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>>128879529

>anger him
>get zapped in less than a second

Yeah go for it.
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>>128880298
>>128880620
Yeah no I saw a video of someone killing him. I can barely kill enemies in elite.
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>>128880487
>game the devotion system hard
Do you mean respeccing out of earlier constellations after you've reached higher ones that on their own give you enough points to support themselves?

I like how it's currently working. If you spend some time tinkering you find lots of ways to optimize your setup in order to get as many beneficial constellations as possible.
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>>128881253
>Do you mean respeccing out of earlier constellations after you've reached higher ones that on their own give you enough points to support themselves?

Yeah, that. It's sort of neat, but it also feels like it's not working out the way Crate intended.
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>>128881992
I do recall reading one of the devs commenting on it
>Working as intended^tm

Dunno why it wouldn't be. If it didn't work like it currently is, there'd be a lot less customization and more forced paths to take.
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>>128873542
Nearly everything. Dont listen to shitters who don't know how to play their non Battlemage class and blame it on the class being shit instead of them
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>>128882507
maybe if devotion were more balanced it would be easier

instead now we have devotions noone takes because their affinity bonus is too low, or devotions that everyone takes because the bonus is so high, despite them being useless for your build
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>>128883294
oh yeah
teach me how to play my pyromancer with nothing but offensive (mostly shit, mind you) skills
maybe i should get better gear, that is, play on other characters until i find perfect items? and then use them on pyromancer for an hour before they become outdated, and repeat everything?
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>>128883332
Yeah, there's certainly a lot of balancing to do among the constellations for devotion to become more interesting. Right now there balance is really off, most of my characters take really, really similar paths which makes it a bit bland.

Honestly, just tweaking the numbers here and there would make a world of difference, and I don't know why that's not happened yet desu senpai
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>>128884084
Because some people that have played the game will complain that their build is ruined by the devs. The devs are to much of pussies to balance their game.
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>>128884263
>Keep in mind this is a small team with limited time :^)
The official forums is full of Cratefags jumping on any sort of valid feedback, sadly.
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>>128884263
>Because some people that have played the game will complain that their build is ruined by the devs

>play a game on early access, which is basically a closed beta
>complain about changes
>play only cookie-cutting builds and whine when broken stuff gets fixed
Fuck those people.
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>>128884903
Like the other anon said, simple value changes would work and that would at most take 15 minutes.

>>128884947
It's why EA sucks for games like this. People get too attached to stuff so the devs get to afraid to change anything at all.
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>>128885082
>that would at most take 15 minutes.
I know senpai, I was just memeposting.

They actually did change components in order to have them stack. Given that the vast majority on the forums were going
>muh game without handholding
>muh stats
without any regard for streamlining the experience (any such argument would lead to strawmans implying I should go back to D3).

>mfw they go through with it and everyone that had been strongly against the change suddenly turns 360 degrees and start praising Crate
>I used to be against it, but it actually feels so much better now!! Good work devs
Fucking Cratefags, seriously
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>>128875929
There were a lot of bugged items like that in TQ.

Those gloves were fixed with the fanpatch though.
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holy shit i just realized how useless vitality/vitality decay is

there is literally no way to build around those, either as melee or a caster
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>>128885968
>implying
My vitality/bleeding Trickster is breezing through Ultimate. Pretty gear-dependant, tho
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>>128884947
It doesn't help that the biggest build testers on the Crate forums aka the only ones Crate listen to are mostly cheaters so we'll end up having a game balanced around the fact that your character will have the most optimal gear at all times.
tbbqh I feel less optimistic about the game ever since Elite and Ultimate were released because that showed us how awful the games balance still was at a point where filing out and polishing kinks should be the main priority and not actually making *the* balance, but even if the game ends up being shit I've still gotten my 400+ hours of entertainment out of it.
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>>128885968
>there is literally no way to build around those, either as melee or a caster

wut. Shaman + Occultist is really boss for a Bleed/Vitality based caster. There is some really powerful loot for this kind of spec as well. Devouring Swarm and Bloody Pox were buffed in b30 as well making a good build even better. It's probably one of the least talked about builds, tho, for some reason. Everyone is busy having dick fights over their fotm shit.
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>>128886396
My Bleed/vitality conjurer is starting to struggle in Elite act 2. Maybe I'm just underleveled, only being 51. Everything before this was so insanely easy so I just kept pushing forward.

I have some good legendaries waiting when I reach level 58 and 65, which should make it easier. Right now I have Devouring Swarm, Bloody Pox and Grasping Vines maxed, but I don't really do that much damage.

Tips, senpai?
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DEEEAAAATH IS ONLY THE BEGINNING.

This game is far from perfect but i love it
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>>128885943
there was an MI dropped by tigers that had base +30%, affixes gave like +15%, and if they didnt you still had achilles that gave +25% speed

meanwhile GD lacks in MIs completely, they all give some useless +10% damage or +20 OA. where are the +2 to all skills MIs? where are the ones with +% attack speed? where are resistances bigger than 15%?

i wonder when will they realize that there is no difference between farming one area or the other, except if some monsters have lower resistance to your damage, or drop components
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>>128887295
Spot on

MIs were one of the best things about TQ when it came to farming.
>mfw Stonebinder's Cuffs of Alacrity drops after years of playing
How did they get this so wrong in GD?
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Just downloaded a blank character, where do I save him?
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>>128888384
up your ass fucking idiot

download gd sidekick too while youre at it so you can get bored with the game in an hour and leave this general
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>>128888470
>This butthurt people don't want to grind 20+ hours for a level 60 character to try out
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>>128886971
Same. For all the complaints (lots of which are legitimate) I haven't played anything that's kept my attention for this long since TL2. And the fact that Grim Dawn is built to be moddable only makes me more excited.
Even all the sub-optimal stuff is fun for me. Might not be builds with the fastest clear times, but I like role playing with my little characters, give 'em backstories and successors and whatnot.
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>>128888470
>mfw already leveled 2 charaters to level 60
>want to try another build without investing 40 more hours


literately kill yourself.
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>>128888694
>I can't help it, I just can be bothered to play the game to play the game
>I need to have the game done for me so I can suck balls as level 85 char instead of level 10
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>>128888867
>Not wanting to grind must mean that you suck at this game
Wow. This projection
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>>128888957
???
people who don't suck don't have to skip content
are you sure you aren't installing macros for running SoT as we speak?
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>>128888470
>tfw use GDSidekick
I just like theorycrafting and leveling builds, senpai. I'd rather spend my time doing that than farming for items.
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>>128889089
Skip what content? Grinding from 1 to 60? Are you implying that people who use blank state characters use those on their first play through?
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What names do you give all your characters? I usually give them a fantasy sounding first name and then their last name is their gimmick/play style.
>Tashima Worldstrider
>Teol Sunstrike
>Karli Wakeglide
>Badstuff Da Killer[\spoiler]
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>>128886706
Yeah, sounds like you're underleveled. I don't leave Normal/Vet until I'm level 50, minimum.
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I know this isn't technically the thread for it, but many of you cool niggas played Titan's Quest so I'm gonna ask anyway.

I want to get into TQ but I heard that some builds become unplayable at higher difficulty levels. What are the traps, if they exist, that I should avoid? Also, what are my options for caster builds? The caster builds in GD feel really lacklustre so I'm hoping that TQ has a bit more interesting variance. Basically I'm interested in pure caster and pet characters. Don't need to give me definitive builds, just what masteries and mastery combos I wanna look at.
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>>128890619
>I'm still level 58
>Can't kill stuff in elite
>Get killed in 2 hits

Why is RNG against me?
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>>128891160
Because Crate hasn't actually done any work on the game for a whole year and are lazy cunts who can't balance the game for shit. Most of you should be aware that while they introduced Act 4, Elite, Ultimate and Legendary items quite recently, they have existed in Crates computers for years now. Yes, years. I forget which thread but it was Zantai who even said as much in the Crate forums.
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I want to remove my second mastery, is there a ciheat engine table for grim dawn or a working trainer?
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>>128891759
Not for the current version, no.
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>>128891028
Diviner (Dream/Spirit) is a strong, easy to play, caster with 2 pets.

Dream is the best and most all rounded class in TQ:IT, so I'd pair that with Storm or Earth if you're not interested in Spirit as your second mastery.
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What are some useful defensive Devotions, not reliant on shields and good for dial wielders?
Just the ones with res and DA?


>>128891028
Dream is fucked up, everything you take with dream goes into a state of "fuck you".
Aside that, Im not a caster person, but if you want to play TQ, get IT aswell and the mod Soulvizier, it makes the game hard as fuck until you get to level 5 or so but you can "cheat" the early levels with a bow.
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>>128817396
chaos ray is pretty much the only decent chaos skill, and it still sucks
>guzzling buckets of potions
>huge wind up time
>best bonuses for chaos are fucking deep into occultist and it takes a solid 30 levels for your damage to get going
devil touched ammo is my build's only saving grace
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>>128892478
Behemoth and Chariot of the Dead are pretty much mandatory. Tip the Scales is great, and Nymph is probably the best you'll get on your left click, except if you're doing acid damage (in which case Manticore is too strong to pass up) or vitality (Wendigo gives decent life steal if you have a lot of % vitality). I suppose a physical/pierce build would also opt for Assassin's Mark over Nymph.

Also the hp nodes in Targo the Builder gives you a serious amount of health. Ulo the Keeper of the Waters is a good place to pick up resists. Don't have to get the proc, which is pretty lacklustre.
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>>128892154
>>128892478

Thanks, that sounds cool. Storm and Earth, eh. I'm liking the sounds of that. What's so good about Dream, though? Whenever I see people discuss TQ they say how good it is. Is it the Arcanist of GD where it's a good mix for any kind of character?
Also, what does Soulvizier add to the game? I usually like to play my games the way the devs intended them as, unless there is a mod that is overwhelmingly good (or important for like bug fixes).
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>>128892973
Making a Chaos or Aether based character in general is a fucking pain in the ass due to how long it takes for you to get some actual action going on and it is mostly impossible if you don't have the gear to support it. The selection of Chaos and Aether related spells is fucking atrocious as well.
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>>128893138
>I suppose a physical/pierce build would also opt for Assassin's Mark over Nymph.
Thats my problem right now, pierce and bleed damage pretty much requires Assassins blade.
Im not sure about both, one is about taking crits, that could work, 15% on behemoth though .... yeah Ulo and Targo seem pretty good.
>>128893328
More items, more craftables, better skill balance and balance in general, more enemies and so on.
Its really good, dont post on the forums though, really. Just dont.
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>>128893872
Sounds good. I might play through the game once without it though just so I can see the vanilla experience. Maybe I'll appreciate all the changes more this way.

>dont post on the forums though, really. Just dont.

Why not? I mean I'm kinda burned out of game forums in general after the shitshow that is Crate's official forums so if it's more of the same then I'm fucking out before I was in.
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>>128893328
Dream is Arcanist's big brother, pairs insanely well with all kinds of builds. Lot's of % total damage and general buffs that doesn't force you into a damage type, which means it works with everything.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/soulvizier
It makes TQ better in every way.

>>128893872
The health regen on Behemoth is really strong, and has a very good uptime. You won't find much better use of the 3 devotion points it takes to get the proc, plus there's a lot of flat health to get there as well. It's also a very easy constellation to reach, and can gives a fair amount of affinity points.
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>>128894181
>Why not? I mean I'm kinda burned out of game forums in general after the shitshow that is Crate's official forums so if it's more of the same then I'm fucking out before I was in.
The game is ass old, its less about shitwars, its more about people acting all high and mighty because they were on the forums "first" and mods with superiority complex.
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>>128895106
Ah, ok. I see that in the Crate forums as well with people pretending like they are the sole creators of some builds and hogging all the glory. I saw some guy called Nine losing his shit when someone dared to suggest that his build might need some tweaking after the b30 changes were introduced, mouthing off the guy by saying that he knows the build best and knows what works and what doesn't. Eh, some people.
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>>128897176
>look up nine's build

>spellbreaker
>max out one skill and passives
>a legendary set and items you are bound to find in 99% of other builds
>devotions also the same

you know, normally it would be okay to call yourself a build "creator" if it was something original, but in current GD its fucking impossible to create anything like that. all current builds use the same items, devotions, skills, even if they deal different damage types the build is so similar.

i start to doubt mods can fix this shit without a giant overhaul
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Hello anon, in your honest opinion should I buy this game? I loved Diablo 2 and Torchlight 2 which seem to be in this game genre, and there are a lot of positive reviews but Steam discussion board has me scared that its gonna end up grindy/monotonous/repetitive after the first few acts. Thoughts?
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What build has the least auto-attacking/spamming of one ability and the most general movement/activity/fun?
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>>128900920
it does get grindy and monotonous but its still well worth its price

for me it started to get boring after 80 hours, and that was several builds ago with much less content than now.
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>>128901041

I'm playing a Primal Strike trickster and it's quite active to play. Gotta pop wind devils, wendigo totems, shadow strike to engage anything at will, keep pneumatic up and use blade barrier as an oh shit button.

Eventually all builds boil down to smacking the fuckers with one skill but I actually feel like working for my survivability.

It also looks awesome with lightning everywhere so there's that.
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>>128901543
Thanks, I'll check it out.
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>>128900920
>Thoughts?
If you can stand grinding, you will be okay with GD - it doesnt have the atmosphere of Diablo 2 or wonky, but sometimes appealing graphics of TL 2, but at least the item and build variety until ultimate is quite nice.
Honestly, you can always test it for 2 hours and then refund it or torrent it.

Personally? Im dissappointed, not because the game is bad per se, but because it lacks so much compared to TQ and STILL has some majors flaws TQ had and they did nothing to improve it.
Take compenents for example, why is it so hard to make a filter to see which component can be used in armour A or B, why cant I rename my tabs, why are the tabs so small, and so on.
It feels like they took TQ source code and put something else on it.
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>>128901886
>appealing graphics of TL 2,
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>>128901886
>which component can be used in armour A or B

who cares, just use the same ones in all builds like everyone else
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Looking for these items - Exonerator, Barrelsmith's Crossfire, Wyrmbone Handguards, Ring of the Black Matriarch, Peerless Eye of Beronath

have a bunch of legendaries and mythical relics to trade for them
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>>128902302
Nice to leave out the "sometimes" ;^)

In all honesty, TL problem was the fucking "skill 1 active ability - and 2314235352 passives"

>>128902457
>Peerless Eye of Beronath
Let me check, sounds familier
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Are legendary items restricted by acts/difficulty levels? Or can i sit on my ass in one spot and get everything i want?
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>>128900920
If you loved TL2 you will most likely enjoy Grim Dawn, my biggest issue with the game is the lack of active skills since the game suffers from the same issue that TL2 does, barely any skills but you need tons of skill points before anything gets good.

Basically I dislike the lack of build variety that's possible on each class and the RNG is awful as it is pure RNG and not like Diablo 3 where the RNG is in favor of your class. Or the fact that Diablo 3 allowed you to modify skills to suit your play style better. Say what you will about Diablo 3, but the RNG and skill modify system is pretty cool.
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>>128887640

>tfw good SBC drops after ages of xmax farming

feelsgoodman.jpg

Are any of the MIs in GD useful?
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>>128900920
It's the best game of its genre that I've played since Diablo 2, imo, but it is also sort of disappointing. There are many flaws with it and they are the kind of flaws that feel tragic because it's an otherwise great game. Take what >>128900919 said, for example. There are lots of builds but in the end you gear them up all the same way. i.e you go for the exact same stats, mostly OA since it is *the* stat you want and you want it the most, regardless of what kind of character you are (ranged, caster, melee, whatever). Everything else is secondary to it. Most of the flaws GD has are due to engine related things and design flaws so glaring that it would require a complete overhaul of many systems for them to fix it and frankly they aren't going to do that. Also, most of the masteries are very badly designed. There's arguably only one mastery that feels like it is properly developed, and it's the Soldier.

Grim Dawn is like a prodigal son who could be president but would rather be a comfortably mediocre stoner.
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>>128902670
When are they ever appealing
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>>128903573
Opinions

Same reason some people cant get enough of pixel graphics Opinions!
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>>128903767
No one would ever get enough of pixel graphics if they were all high quality efforts like in Metal Slug and not cheap "It's Atari nostalgia you guys :^)" cash ins.
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i wonder what crate were thinking while creating the occultist mastery

"lets give him the weakest damage buff and two purely damage skills, two DoTs that dont work well together, a buff to second most useless damage type, and then allocate 1/3 of the tree to fucking pets"

and of top of that, not a single skill is good enough on their own, and needs 1-3 passive extension skills. fucking hell, soldier has only 7 of those while occultist 17. not only are your skills shit, but they are shit after you spend 3 times as much points in them.
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>>128874234
How is the farming for Oleron's Wrath going anon?

>>128902457
I have a spare Wyrmbone and a Black Matriarch, what are you offering?
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>>128904992
I feel like I know who you are
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>>128904992
Well I have Rampage and Olerons chains, but not even the blueprints of the other two :^)
Got a bit distracted by trying Trickster, I mean holy fuck, dual blades + Savagery just annihilates stuff, I just have to get some defense, something like Blast shield from Demo.
Or Mirror from Arcanist, but wielding 2 maces without some lightning just wont feel right ... to be honest I dont even know if its worth it to split the damage between light, bleed and piercing.


>>128904156
>Metal Slug
True, I do miss Simon the Sorcerer, too and while those pixels werent the best, I will never understand what they tried to do with StS 3D I actually know, StS1 and 2 didnt sell well and 3D was "in" around that time, shame how that fucked the series.
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>>128905938
Simon the Sorcerer is maximum comfy mode tho, just like the Discworld adventure game.
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>>128902730
Highest lego I ever got on veteran was level 50, while on elite it was 68, and I've only seen level 75 legos on ultimate.

Places themselves are random, you could farm the same spot forever. Only specific lego drops I know of are Mogdrogen's Mantle, which drops from Avatar of Mogdrogen and Stormheart, which can be found in a vase in the Tomb of Korvaak

>>128905657
We should know each other quite well by now.
Open a game.
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>>128905938
I have way too many Slaughter blueprints, but sadly no Reckoning one.

You're giving me the itch to go and make a Trickster myself now. I need to stop spending my time here and go play Dragon's Dogma instead.
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>>128906443
room - nice guys
pw - gdg

I don't have very much time though, so if you go to find the game in 5-10 minutes and its not up I probably had to peace out
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>>128907847
>had to peace out
nigger
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>>128907525
>I have way too many Slaughter blueprints, but sadly no Reckoning one.
Its alright man, half of the fun comes from farming, but while I can take quite some damage with the Blademaster ... its so damn slow, but I found the same hammer you use, couldnt identify the procc mechanic though, so I dont know if that thing is worth it.


>Dragon's Dogma
I just couldnt enjoy it, I hoped it would be like Arx Fatalis, mediocre graphics but amazing world and mechanics, the only thing that was nice in DD is the grabbing mechanic.
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>>128908372
>mechanic
animation
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>>128906443
I just killed Moggy and he didn't drop a lego. Very nice shoulders, though. Maybe it wasn't lego because I did it on normal, but fuck doing it on Elite or Ultimate lol.
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>>128909494
I have already summoned him and got raped, I was like lvl 40 or something, now i'm lvl 67, is he still there?
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>>128908372
>I found the same hammer you use
I've tried it out because I saw some people in one of the earlier threads recommend it.
I also didn't notice the proc, so either it's bugged or it is just extra shitty.

>I just couldnt enjoy it
I only did the tutorial so far, got stuck on the character creator far too long. I got it with expectations of it being a 6~7/10 game, good but flawed. I'll probably not be disappointed as you.

>there will never be another Arx Fatalis
>there have been 4 FNAF games in less than a year

>>128909494
They changed it in the last hotfix or build. He doesn't drop it anymore on normal/veteran.

>>128909742
Yes, he will still be there, you can talk with him and try it again.
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>lightning aura is the only item based damage aura that can't be put on melee weapons, only on guns

fucking why?

every other ward/damage aura from items is in a component that can be applied to melee or ranged weapons.

lightning aura should be on the amber component not hells bane ammo
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looking for dawnbreakers shoulders and shield, markovian stratagem, closed fist of vengeance. have bunch of legendaries to trade for it
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>>128916146
I have all of the dawnbreaker set and the markovian stratagem, BUT they're being used by my Warder.

If your cool with me duping them though you can have the copies. otherwise can't part with them since their BiS for my guy.
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>tfw the projectile speed makes this feel like an actual gun

Good god, no clue why they thought the slow ass projectile speed is fun.
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>>128916532
hmm sure ill trade some of my legendaries for it,, i only need the dawnbreaker shield/shoulders and the stratagem,, ill give u 3 legendaries for it
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>>128917456
sure. game is called "gdg dawnbreaker"
password is 1234
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>>128917909
hey man sorry,, but can i also get the dawnbreaker's sledge?? i'll trade 1 legendary for it
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>>128918993
sure, game's back up
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>>128916631
crate sure likes to put the best bonuses so scarcely around the game
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>>128891759
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=580982&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=555&sid=c700bc558e230fb0251a6c4cb16104e7

Doesn't work for everything but it can reset mastery points.
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>>128916631
Mods will fix it :^)

Mods will fix everything.
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are there any notable aRPGs other than GD, diablo, PoE and TL? obviously TQ, but ive got few thousand hours in that already

i really like GD but it left me craving for more stupid grinding and watching numbers go higher while i wait for full release
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>>128922421
Van Helsing
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>play DW pistol Fire Strike sorc for muh DPS
>run into hero with fire affinity
>shit takes 5x as long

kek
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Anyone here have Lifegiver Signet/Pyroclasm Mark? I have Deviltongue, Belgothian's Carnage(BP), Voidwalker's Footpads and lots of empowered epics
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is there a single better looking item, that is also not that bad?
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After watching latest AGDQ diablo 2 speedrun and comparing it to GD, i cant help but notice that GD really lacks in depth. All that farming certain enemies, proper itemization, and cheesing late game enemies is not present at all in GD. If you were to speedrun it, you just take blitz/shadow strike/sky shard and spam it on one enemy while running in circles, and the only problem with RNG is the lack of scrap at the start.
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>>128930447
Depth scares away casuals. That's why modern games are always so straight-forward.
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So are there any fun builds that revolve around or feature component skills? Or a sword and board build that has more than just a LMB skill and the rest are passives/toggled?

The official forums are full of people just trying to be overly efficient and min/maxed as much as they can. Nobody seems to really make thematic builds for fun or anything, and when they post them all the replies are just about how not ideal the build is and they should go use so-and-so's super fast clear speed build instead.

Does anyone else just make builds around a theme for fun? Or is it just me?
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>>128932950
I like to go for style over efficiency. To an extent anyways. I'll try to recreate characters I know from other games/books/movies or characters I made up in my head.
What kind of characters have you been playing as?
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>>128906443

I got a level 72 (I think) lego on epic, pretty sure
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MODS WILL FIX
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What are some other decent games similar to Grim Dawn?
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>>128936416
Diablo 3 - with expansion it's not bad, if you can stand the absolutely horrible writing (it's like they hired a high school kid to continue Diablo 1/2's legacy - absolutely embarassing). Flashy game (cool abilities), rock solid control, typical AAA game stuff. Can respect your characters any time. Always online.

Torchlight 2 - has proper random map (and it's pretty damn good), fun random challenges (phase beast), late game random map run (mapworks). Cannot easily respect your character unless you use the console to cheat. Game balancing is a bit retarded on Elite which basically mean you either 1) cheese grind (probably takes a day to do) an early game enemy for 3% damage reduction gem and breeze through it or 2) play ranged characters. Abilities are flashy, but only a few builds per character. Overall very solid game, JUST a bit shy from AAA tier when it comes to polishing (some weird problems like monster clickboxes being enormous, input gets queued a bit too long).

Path of Exile - Always online. Probably most developed game out of the bunch since it has had its time. Solid input/control, mediocre random maps (very similar to D2 randomization, which is like a decade too old). Has new contents coming out every once in awhile and a retarded dev which keeps nerfing everyone's build. Free game, pay2glow. Worth a try if you don't mind constant online.

That's all I can think of.
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>>128937591

What game does well with balancing builds? I want to play something that doesn't naturally favor only a few builds.
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>>128938361
definitely dont play TQ then cause the best builds were discovered in like a week and never changed.
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>>128938470
torchlight

messed up my acronyms
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Is Aldanars vanity good
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>>128938361
Don't play PoE and D3 then
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>run around in Ultimate finishing quests
>run into Hero mob
>fuckfuckfuck
>manage to survive
>explorer's pants blueprints drops
>level 20 blueprints
>on ultimate

what the fuck
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hello
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>>128942189
Is it me you're looking for?
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did anyone get a single blueprint for a green weapon of highest tier? i can find legendary blueprints but not one of those
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anyone here has handguards of justice, closed fist ring?? i have a bunch of legendaries to trade with
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>>128939815
>level 20 blueprints
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Where would a level 70 in epic difficult go to farm shit, still just sot?
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>>128948904
bastion of chaos is pretty good
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>get to the skeleton key gate for the first time on a character
>use the one i'm given and open the gate
>wait, I just leveled up, let me place my points
>think a wee bit, place points
>close skill window
>gate is closed

god damn it
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>>128950119

>be playing with friend
>he opens gate
>heads in
>lmao early access
>I can't walk through
>wasted key
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>game breaks right as I'm finishing my boss fight


Epic I love this game
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>>128950119
>use key
>game breaks

I love this game [2]
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for the love of god give me a build to play that isn't poison eyeball or summoner

bonus points if it isn't shit
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>>128953976
I wanna try arcanist and demo
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>>128953976
>>128954305
see
>>128804959
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>>128954368
>tfw I have 4 of those items he's using

WELP, next build
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>>128914940
Its random as fuck.
Not every dmg type has an aura either
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>>128920245
Funny thing is projectile speed was actually part of a skill set in tq and was awesome as fuck
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>>128922421
If you dont mind older titles i really like dungeons siege 2 although the xpac for that sucked
>based jeremy soule ost
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>>128957317
Man, I wish this wasn't such a dead genre.
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>>128957317
Oh, you mean brass horns used with even more brass horns?

There's a reason why Soule's music is distinct; he doesn't expand his instrument useage.
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>>128959075
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With a fire damage tanky commando build, are you better off using fire strike or cadence?
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>>128957317

>tfw listening to Nordax and Nellioc
>tfw D3, DS3, and Sacred

I just want shit to be fun, not retarded.
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Kymon's Deluded or The Order of Death's Virgins for Blademaster? Does it even matter?
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>>128961292
depends on what damage type you do. kymon's has augments for fire/lightning damage

order has augments for cold/vitality if I recall
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>>128959075
Im not saying hes the best composer ever
Hes a good videogmae composer cos his music is ambient which is great for videogames
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>>128963279
Ambient is extremely underrated. What are some notable OST from Soule?
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>>128964045
Morrowind and Icewind Dale ost are probably his most well known and best works .
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>>128964045
Almost all his osts have at least one good track
His best ones imo are probably morrowind, oblivion, total annihilation and guild wars
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How does one decide if a weapon is an upgrade? Offensive Ability doesn't seem to be factored into any calculations despite being an important stat and Crit chance is a substat within OA. Trying to figure out how to maximise dps is a fucking nightmare.
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Anyone here got a Lifegiver Signet/Grasp of Unchained Might for trade? Got a couple of legendaries and empowered epics for trade
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any nice dual wield builds anyone? im new to the game and I have no idea what is viable.
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>>128959495
Fire strike
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>>128965695
Use it i guess
Most of thr time if the stats are better, its better derp
The only time you really have to choose is when the item has a really good proc
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anyone here got a closed fist/open hand rings and handguards of justice? got couple of legendaries for trade
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>>128965890

I've got a grasp, what kind of legos do you have.
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>>128967883
I've got Warpfire, Voidwalker's Footpads, Deviltongue, Havoc
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>Act 4 ultimate
>not a single Legendary drop
>haven't had a single upgrade for my build drop since normal, everything I have is traded

I think I'm done with the game for now. The RNG is garbage. Fags will defend it saying that other games are just as bad, but that's bullshit. Drops were plentiful in Titan's Quest, for example.
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>>128968152

ah damn, nothing i could use
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>>128968294
Never gief up! ;\
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>tfw more problems with Loxmere than Loghorrean

How do I solve this, lads?
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>>128969402
Fight Mogdrogen and you'll have an even bigger problem than Loxmere.
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>>128969402
Go around him. Loxmere killed me 4 times in a row rapid fire and i just went around his gay ass.
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>>128969892
>being a quitter
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>>128970015
>teleports right on me
>blade trapped instantly
>no energy instantly
>die in 2 hits

simply
epic
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>>128969870

>tfw you can actually opt out of fighting Mogdrogen

>>128969892

>implying I haven't done this

Now I skulk around the final areas before actually engaging aetherials
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>>128970440
>not fighting Mogdrogen tho

He has a 100% drop chance for a specific legendary item you might probably want for a pet build. It's only legendary on elite and ultimate, normal/vet will net the epic version of it.
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>>128970556
How are you even supposed to kill that asshole? He's like 10+ levels ahead and wrecks your shit.
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>>128970556
His mantle is meh compared to the beastcallers set
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>>128970595
You hit at him until he dies. It's a slow, tedious process, but you'll eventually get him.

>>128970896
Ehh, my pets have more trouble killing stuff fast than with dying themselves and the stats on the Beastcaller's Shroud are purely defensive. Besides, this is a guaranteed drop, Beastcaller set is never a guarantee unless you find someone to trade with.
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fumble
fumble
fumble
fumble
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>>128973572
>Crate rebalancing the masteries
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>>128973572

I don't like the word fumble used for an inflicted miss. It makes me imagine my guy fumbling and his weapons falling out of his grasping hands... 4 to 5 times a second.
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anyone here has avenger of cairn, markovian's visor and platemail?? got a bunch of legendaries for trade
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>>128975927
But thats what hes doing
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Anyone with a good dual wield build? I like these sexy 1H but every character I created went to shit pretty fast
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So do these legendaries have lower level versions? Can I find a lvl 75 legendary as a lvl 50 with reduced stats?
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>>128981265

Nope, you can only find higher level versions of epic items.
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Hey people, I know pvp is unbalanced in this kind of game but I wanted to know if people are still interested to fight against each other. I have no knowledge of modding but I'd like some mod to bakance pvp and add an arena and prizes.

Would that interest you ?
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>>128982758

Nope. These games aren't suited for pvp.
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>>128969870
>betraying papa Moggydoggy

Filthy heretic!
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>>128983419
>allying with any gods but Bysmiel, Dreeg and Solael
pleb pls
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>>128982758
There's literally no point. Your damage goes so far above your health that it will be a one shot fest no matter how you go about it. Everyone would only play as Bladebabbies and whoever presses Shadow Strike first would win. It's a worthless endeavor to try and get any kind of PvP action going on in Grim Dawn.
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So what happened to this game? General seems dead as fuck. Did everyone finally realize that this is the most shallow arpg ever created yet? And that's saying something
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>>128987674
It is the week day, to be fair. I'm sure not everyone here is a dead beat NEET loser like me who stays home all day playing video games. With that said, the deeper I get into Grim Dawn the more shallow I find the game to be, so I'm kinda starting to lose interest. Maybe that's the case for many others? I'm at a point where I have multiple level 70+ characters who have a different flavor and type of damage they do, but they all have nearly (if not exactly) identical devotions and I'm gearing them the exact same way with pretty much no meaningful variance.
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>>128987674
I am busy playing DD
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>>128987285

>implying Ultos won't zap your ass
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>>128987285
>>128989840
Are there any places online where I can read in-game lore scraps about the different gods?
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>>128987674
not as shallow as TL and it's not even finished yet :^)
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>>128990435
> 3 weeks until launch
> not finished

At least TL2 was fun and had unique environments and skills
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>>128990547
adding damage to a teleport or making a cone shaped DoT but with electricity rather than fire doesn't make it unique, anon
I really tried to enjoy both torchlights but they were awful/10
not to mention that my char from TL became an antag in TL2
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>>128988583
I don't see the point in playing the game right now, the biggest issue is the OA mechanic and they're working on it right now, im just going to wait until they finally release a build where OA isn't the only good offensive stat.
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it's possible to get -40% CD from items alone, -10% from ascendance and -30% from NJE
why hasn't anyone done think gimmicky build yet?
400% weapon damage and 1.5s stun on 0.6s cooldown and AoE sleep with life leech
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>>128991764
>gimmicky

i would love to be able to call it gimmicky but honestly its the only skill you can bring down to -100% in the whole game and many people did already

its not as effective
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>>128992071
first of all you can't bring it to -100% and why wouldn't it be effective? it's a mix of poison, cold, frostburn and life leech plus whatever you have on your weapon
in other words it gets terrifically boosted by veil of shadows
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>>128990715
>not to mention that my char from TL became an antag in TL2

j-just like Diablo 2!
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>>128992240
first of all, you can bring it to 100%

second, its not effective because it requires specific equipment, thus making the character weaker, and in the end you would be much better just maxing out execution and attack speed

third, all your attacks are boosted by veil so that doesnt mean a shit
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playing this game does it feel like youre alone in the world like it did for me when i was playing TL2 or does it have a vibrant multiplayer, economy and competition in form of leagues or ladder like PoE does?
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>>128992631
>you can bring it to 0%
no you can't
there literally isn't enough item slots for CDR so at most you're getting -40%
second, execution is single target and attack speed got capped
don't compare a % proc to an AoE ability that is guaranteed to work every half a second
third, good luck boosting your fire, chaos or lightning DPS by veil
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>>128992984
It's mostly a single player or co-op game.
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>>128992984
>vibrant multiplayer
No, just no.

It's either people with max level or people that's leveling up their characters.
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>>128993021
>100% CDR SS is possible.

>Offhand: 20%
>Wand: ~5%
>Head: ~10%
>Amulet: ~10%
>Medal: ~3%
>
>Star Pact: 10-15%
>Nidalla's: 30-40%
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>Total: ~88-103%

execution can proc every second with much less effort (and more damage from items) so again, its not worth it

>third, good luck boosting your fire, chaos or lightning DPS by veil
>
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>>128993367
I read somewhere that CDR was capped at 33%
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>>128993367
>pact 15%
>NJE 40%
and how are you going to get them to 22/12? char editing?

once again, exec is single target and unreliable

>third, all your attacks are boosted by veil so that doesnt mean a shit
your words, not mine
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>>128993520
all your nightblade attacks you dense shit which are nothing but pierce/poison/cold

ever heard of items that grant + to skills? yes, they would make your build even worse

keep in mind i loved 100 100 300 builds in TQ, and now im just waiting for mods to fix it
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>>128992984
You either play it with friends or alone.
Did anyone ever play Diablo with randoms anyway? And I'm not talking about doing XP runs
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>>128993797
>implying you can even get enough double rares to make this work
nah, you're supposed to use CDR epics and some legendaries, rares are about as random as 1-10000 lightning proc and you will never craft everything you need without duping scrap

>all your attacks
>all your nightblade attacks
talk about moving the goalposts

overall it's perfectly viable as long as you have mirror to not die to reflect while nullification is on CD or blade barrier to fuck right off by the time it ends
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Doing a poison/chaos build (http://grimcalc.com/build/pvPHTb)

What are some important devotions to get? So far I've gotten Bat and Fiend Constillations, and I've just started the Solaels Witchblade one. Probably Abomination or Manticore next?
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>>128994318
>>implying you can even get enough double rares to make this work

even without double rares its possible and i dont see a reason to not count rares because they are "random"

still, it may be viable but definitely not the fastest way to go, both in farming best CDR on an item possible and killing bosses
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In your opinion, what is the best class to start with (in terms of having fun) in lvling? what is the strongest with clear speed and content? [besides summoner ofc) thanks ya'll
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>>128999006
blademaster with 2handed weapons
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>>128994490
Just get whatever everyone gets. Manticore, Chariot of the Dead, Viper, Scales of Ulkamos, Behemoth, Tortoise. There are the only ones that matter and for all builds.
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>>129003142
You can do that already.
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Does flashbang work on bosses? cause blade trap is worthless for this reason
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>>129003284
Yeah I found that after I posted it.

Also I had my psn name on still from destiny general by accident.
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>>128999006
Arcanist for spells, Nightblade for melee, Shaman for somewhere in-between.
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ded game
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I'm getting real sick of doing a glass canon build and doing literally no damage while dying in 2 hits, anyone got any decent items for a level 58 AAR arcanist?
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Jesus you guys almost let it die
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Anyone got wildcallers pieces to trade?
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>>128987674
I'm still amazed by the fact that an unknown western, non weeb-friendly indie game has managed to keep a general alive on this site.

It looks promising to me considering it hasn't been released yet.
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>>128959495
Fire Strike if you actually want fire damage. Cadence is more Phys/Bleed. Not sure if Cadence's transmute is still shitty or not.
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>>129016657
Fire Strike also enhances phyisical damage. I've never tried it as a commando though.
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>>129008269
>AARcanist in b30
r o f l
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>>129018614
Yeah I just respecced to replicating missile and even with garbage gear im more or less doing the same fucking damage, fuck crates awful balancing.
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>>129019098
it should either pierce a certain amount of enemies before dissipating or increase in damage the longer they are affected by it
oh and of course it should be instant, what kind of ray moves like a piss weak stream of water?
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>>129019098
AAR needs either a big damage boost, an energy cost reduction, or some way to hit multiple enemies at once, either a wider beam or mob penetration.
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>>129019474
>AAR needs to hit multiple enemies at once
There's no need for skills to be great at everything at once. AAR is already fucking strong at single target damage. Just use Devastation alongside with AAR if you want aoe.
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>>129020962
with the amount of damage it deals it should at least have some AoE
otherwise it's a single target tempest
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Fuck this game and stupid spells that deals absurd damage and can be cast trough walls and shit.
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>look up changes to blast shield
>its still complete horseshit

crate does it over and over again

why the fuck do i need fire and pierce absorption? do they not realize that +fire damage equipment has +fire resistance 99% of the time?
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>>128838089
yeah they need to buff the rifles and the fucking crossbows hard.

>tfw 2H augments give you less stats than 1H augments.
this boggles my mind the hardest.
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>>129022746
they should make a line of weapon augments exlcusive to 2handed weapons that are stronger than 1h versions just as rep augments are.
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anyone here has stormtitan threads? have a bunch of legendaries for trade
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>>129022549
the only way for it to become viable is increase max resist along with resist
so if you have 140% res and take fire damage you get healed for 40% while BS is active
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>>129022549
blast shield should be an active skill you turn on mirror of erocetes style.
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>>128840834
seems nice, show me your playtime.
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>>129022549
>>129023345
>>129023447
>a 1k shield with 70% chance to evade projectiles and 85% pierce/fire/lightning resist for 4 secs every 10 secs is not viable
lmao
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>>129023312
I have an extra pair.

do you by chance have a barrelsmith crossfire?
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>>129023272
they just need to make the two handed weapon augments more powerful than two 1h augments.
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>>129024173
no they don't
2handers already have ridiculous weapon damage
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>>129024276
its till not worth it to take a 2h over 2 1h.
Also they don't need to buff the dmg on the augments but other bonuses like resistens etc.
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>>129023727
>a skill that gives fire/lightning resistance
>useful when pretty much every piece of demo gear already gives a shitload of resistances
Sure thing buddy. At least the chance to dodge projectiles is okay, but the skill is still not worth maxing.
Imo, they should have made the shield absorb all damage instead of limiting it to pierce and fire. Thay would partially make it for the demo's lack of defense.
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>>129024672
>demos lack of defence
>flames
>temper
>flashbang
>canister mod
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>129024672
Dude, new blast shield DOES absorb all damage, holy hell some people here.
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>>129024276
The issue with 2handers ( melee and ranged ) isn't their base damage, it's the game's core mechanics.
Since everything revolves around procs on attack, maxing your attack speed is infinitely more viable than doing more damage in a single blow.
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>>129024043
sadly i do not have that,, any else you want?
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>>129025043
>Dude, new blast shield DOES absorb all damage
Oh, I hadn't noticed that. That's good, but the resists are still useless.
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>>129025091
casting speed > attack speed
it's not like you are using AoE procs with 2h, more like blade arc or forcewave
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>>129020962
But AAR isn't even that great at single target damage. I got frustrated with my Warlock beam character kinda sucking so I just used a trainer to cheat her to max level, then maxed out AAR with Tainted Power, Disintegration, Fabric of Reality, Mental Alacrity, Solael's Witchfire and Second Rite, and Possession. Suboptimal gear, sure, given that I jumped her forward 30 levels, but you know what it came out to? 3500 damage a tick. That's garbage for a maxed-out single target skill buffed as much as it can possibly be buffed by skills. And when I'm using it I'm glued to the spot I'm standing in.

For all its drawbacks it's just not worth using. Maxing out Panetti's will do much more for you. And that's fucking awful, because I love the concept of a magical fuck you laser that melts everything.
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>>129025248
I don't consider being basically immune to 3 elements useless but hey to each his own.
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>>129025236
there's a ring called the open hand of mercy, if you have that that would be awesome, if not, ill take any legendary that deals with vitality and/or chaos damage, since im leveling a witchhunter on the side (occultist/nightblade)

and if don't have that, fuck it, give me any purple, life's too short.
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>>129025330
Unless they've changed it, Blade Arc scales with attack speed.
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>>129025616
>missing the point
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>>129025761
sadly i do not have that ring as well,, i do have fiends resolve, doombringer, wildblood mantle, deviltongue, havoc
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>>129025236
made a game, called "gdg stormtitan"
pw: 1234
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>>129026254
my grim dawn is crashing when im searching your game name wth gimme a sec
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>>129025469
>so I just used a trainer to cheat her to max level

stopped reading there.
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>>129026563
np, if it keeps happening, just make a game and i'll join it instead
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>>129026254
hmm i cant seem to find your game,, it keeps crashing when i try to search it join my game instead

gdg1
pw 1234
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>>129025469
you probably have less than 70 PTH and thus deal less damage and also don't crit
crits make the beam good
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I want to do a build with Demolitionist + Shaman, any thoughts?

I'm asking because I'm shit at this game and really have no idea what to do besides trying something that sounds like a good idea.
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>>129026671
Cheated to max level to see what an AAR warlock can do, and I wasn't impressed with how she fared against critters some 20 levels beneath her. Doubt I'll keep using the character. If I want to I can just cheat her back down.

>>129026976
This is against mobs lower level than me, so PTH was 100% with a 14% crit chance on the last creature I killed. It's not worth the skill and mastery investment as it is right now. And honestly, if it's only good when it crits, then it's not that good.
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>>129027884
what I'm saying is that you either go full glass cannon so you have enormous OA and enemies can't even approach you or you get some defense and get rekt because you can't deal with 2 or more mobs at the same time despite having higher survivability on paper
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>>129027884
>Cheated

stopped reading there.

No serious how can you be sure its shit don't you missing gear and devotion skills? There is some crazy shit out there.
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>>129028185
As far as I've seen full glass cannon isn't viable. I tried that with the character before and Logorrhean pretty much insta-gibbed her with his AoEs and minions.

In contrast, my Witchblade can facetank Logorrhean and he does more damage on average than the Warlock ever did.

>>129028526
Even with suboptimal gear and devotions and whatnot, a maxed-out chaos AAR on a +800% Chaos damage character should be somewhat impressive.
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currently 2handed weapons get left behind since chance on hit procs favor 1h/dual wield more with them being faster weapons.

what if 2handed weapons had a bonus to crit chance? a precision of sorts so chance on crit procs are far more dependable on 2handed weapons?

also sweaty ballfarts.
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>>129023727
gdg is pretty shit, anon. Most of them don't really play the game. BS was decent 1 point before, now it's amazing.

>m-muh melee muthafucka
90%+ of people who play are Soldier/Arcanist/Nightblade
Like they'd know shit about Demo.
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Did they make Ultimate far easier? The patch notes for B30 read as if it were "slight changes" which would have been nice but now it's very easy. Pre-B30 my Dualpistolfag struggled due to far less crits, mobs hitting like trucks and overall less DPS to deal to them (massive DA) now I wreck shit like it's Elite. Same gear, passives etc with the exception of Fire Strike getting buffed.
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