/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General

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All I want is 256 players on a Japan/Australia sized map

Is that too much to ask for in 2016

>>128709579
>is the warhammer going to be decent?

Yes, as long as you:

1) Forgo the shitty PPC quirks, fuck that shit.
2) Peek AROUND obstacles, not over them, as your weapons are fairly low slung.

Aside from the PPC quirk, its well suited to brawling.

>>128727295
>MWO, tell me when your game has 128 unique Mechs including battle armor and infantry

Someone needs the learn the difference between "chassis" and "variant".

You fucking idiot.

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Recycled OC edition.

at what point does it become acceptable to shoot my teammates

>>128740883
When you run outa hecks.

>>128729931
What type of fucking retard actually buys clothing with gaming logos plastered all over it? And then goes on to willingly wear it?

Its invariably some tat from a child sweat-shop in Vietnam, with the job lot going to the lowest bidder, and with all the shitty manufacturing quality that entails.

Imagine wearing that cap out in public and someone asking you who's logo that is... "hur hur, its not a company logo, its a House Icon from my online game where I shoot other people while masturbating in my stompy robit."

Its on the same level as those sort of people who fill their houses with shitty, massively overpriced figurines from their crappy Japanese cartoons and seem to think this is a sensible way to spend their money.

>>128730442
Are you one of the Dev's from MW:LL? You seem unreasonably angry.

>>128735653
Damnnnnn, I never realised I was supposed to look so FABULOUS while piloting my Mech.

Why isnt there more vanity mirror cockpit ornaments so I can admire myself in my leather thong all match?

>>128737940
>only had like 30% of the developers' care put into it.

I'd say thats a very high estimate given how long it took them to find someone who could work on the UT3 engine, its not exactly an uncommon skill.

>>128739007
>All of these games have the potential to just experiment and crank up the map size and player count. Why don't they

Because jacking up the player count is an exponentially larger hit to the netcode every time you add just one player to the mix.

DOUBLING the current amount would be a massive increase in the amount of data the players needed to share with every other player, all the time, regarding movement, positioning, firing, hit registration, etc. Just ask any MW:LL player how "fun" the Cryengine netcode can be when you're playing on a 64-player server. Ghost shells, warping, hits not registering, spotting not working correctly, etc.

>>128740883
>acceptable to shoot my teammates

Whenever you're on a corner and some Med or Light fuckwit decides to park his stupid ass in front of your face in your LoS to the enemy.

Yes, you could move around him, but a cooldown cycle on your weapons is quicker and more likely to remind him not to stand in front of an assault in future.

>see people posting about Hawken
>Must have changed
>log in for the first time since July 2013
>play a bit
>there is literally nothing new since then

Seriously, same maps, same Mechs, same Meta.

Why are people still posting about this dead game?

>>128742679
you forgot to add the part where you wait half an hour to get in a game

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>>128742679
You sound like you got more out of the game than I ever did, pic related.

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>>128742679
>>128742880
>>128742928

Don't forget, HAWKEN is still in Early Access! All these concerns will be addressed as the game is developed!

>>128743229
holy shit, you're right

I had to check myself to make sure you weren't bullshitting us.

I almost feel bad for people, but I'm just not sure who to pity.

>>128743341
The last actual patch that went live was last February.

hello?

>>128745330
hello

>>128745330
Hello, this is Steeeeven Microsoft speaking. i am calling for to tell you there is a viruses n your computer

Why do people play Shadowcats? They're fucking awful in this game. The only thing they do reasonably well is run away and hide like a pussy.

>>128746072
i run 3 shadowcats with ecm and radar deprivation and often pull 300-500 damage come @ me

>>128746072
>Shadowcats

They're garbage. It's too bad because I like how they look.

>>128746232
I often run Blackjacks or Stormcrows and regularly pull 700 - 900 damage. You're a waste of a slot that could be used for something better.

>>128746072
>Shadowcats

Even the best variants of them are in the middle of the pack in terms of tiering for the current meta.

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Did anybody else get a chance to play in the pods? There was a place near me that I only got a chance to go to once before it closed down

>>128746329
i bet being inaccurate as fuck feels great

>>128746619
You got to sit in a pod that had been occupied by some sweaty ass unwashed neckbeard previously to you. They stank. No wonder they closed down.

>>128746737
So you don't ride roller coasters either?

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>>128746649
Feel free to post a screenshot of your, clearly superior, chosen Medium mech stats.

I want to get a mech with a focus on LRMs. Probably clan, since the obvious choice for IS would be the Catapult I guess.

I was thinking of getting the HBK-IIC to run the B for LRMs, but then I kept seeing that Mad Dog is good for it and the 6 LRM5 load out looks hilarious when chain fired...

>>128747189
New player here, are those normal average stats for a mech? I do a lot less than that and thought I was doing alright based on what I see at the end of a match.

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So who's going to tell him that in the real world, everywhere barring the recent shit from the gaming industry a company produces AND FINISHED a product before selling it. However as brand names alone can easily con people out of cash all the bastards now produce Pre purchase betas and has made buying games as dodgey as playing the pokies, this time it'll be a good and complete product, this time for sure...

And people support this idea of pretending conned investors are players buying "fun" one grabdeal at a time as a good whole hearted support the works excuse that makes it okay for consumers. forever in debt for buying something is considered the norm now, fuck!

>>128747480
no he's just being a faggot

>>128747436
>I want to get a mech with a focus on LRMs.

What you're actually saying here is that you want to be a complete waste of a slot and a disservice to your team?

LRM spam is pointless apart from to rack up C-Bills as long as you dont mind losing. Spamming salvos onto mechs your retarded allies can barely keep locked for more than 2 seconds, who will then walk back into cover, eating at LEAST half your salvo, not accounting for AMS, etc is a waste of time. You're just spreading your damage across a mechs hitboxes and going nothing to help your team.

If you want to spam missiles, earn C-Bills, and help your team at the same time, build a Splatcrow or similar, at least you'll be with your allies in a group doing something useful in that you get to soak up a few salvos from the enemy mechs at the same time and spread the damage across your team more evenly.

>>128747436
>I want to get a mech with a focus on LRMs
no, you don't

>>128747701
I get about 400 average in my Trial Atlas, is that good or bad?

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>go to buy paints to make my Mech pretty
>$6 each

fuck that then, I'll just stay green.

>>128747782
you're doing fine
when i was new i shot for 200 damage a match, now 300 (though i've had plenty of 800+ games in mediums, i play stormcrow and shadowcat)

do your best to stay alive for as long as possible because the longer you are alive the more damage you will do particularly with a mech like trial atlas

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>>128747781
Well I didn't intend to sit back spamming all match, I think I should of mentioned I don't want to just boat nothing but LRMs. I'd run around actively finding targets to use my lasers on and just use the LRMs when someone is about to pop out of sight or is in the open. So saying focus on LRMs was probably wrong, and that LRM5 Mad Dog would be out (but it still looks fun).

I played trials for most of my cadet bonus and I just couldn't get into brawling, and I wasn't doing too hot with Lights either. I have seen people saying that streak/splat 'mechs are crazy good though.

>>128748570
stormcrow or timber wolf would work well, if for no other reason that they work well for everything while being fast and durable
just drop a couple lrm15s on them and you'll have plenty of space for whatever else you could want

>still playing this dead game

I really hope you don't do this.

>>128751831
>Posting in a thread about a "dead game" you don't play.

Wish I was as cool as you anon.

>>128753192
I'm cool enough to bump this dying thred

What have you done for /gerg/ today mister butthurt?

>>128747782
A little on the mediocre side, but I'm not going to complain about an Atlas that does 400 damage. There are people who do fucking under 300 damage in their Assault mechs and that's ridiculous. As you get better you should be averaging closer to 600-700 damage in an Assault, but for a beginner I guess 400 is alright.

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>>128743229
>HAWKEN is still in Early Access!

Fucking hell, talk about lying to your customers.

>>128753241
about 50% of the posts in this thread desu....

>>128758393
>tfw you're doing the other 50%

>>128758590
>>128758393
The Stompy Robot dream will never die!

FS9-A, BJ-1X and KGC-000B
What else should I buy to fill up my fourth mech slot? Figure I'll take these four into House CW and earn a few mechbay slots. I might just buy another Blackjack, but it might be nice to have more variety in terms of frames.

>>128747436
>>128748570
Clan hunches are so squishy you shouldn't play them until they get a buff.

>>128763026
You have something like 80-85 tons for that fourth slot. You could probably pick up an AWS-8Q or the BLR-1S for long range ppcs or erlls.

>>128748106
cbill purple is your friend, it makes you invisible.

>>128765732
>it makes you invisible.

To what? Idiots?

>>128765732
>Invisible
>when theres a giant red reticule around you

Hmm.

>>128747782
Often see this asked around adn ingame, and damage is a good way to measure your performance, but it's not everything.

Now if you were playing CW, that's abysmal.

>>128765732
Give it to me straight, does this REALLY work? I CANNOT catch a fucking break and if it has any effect at all, I'll pay the 1.25 mil.

>>128765983
Clearly they're no playing CW on a trial Atlas.

At least I should hope not.

>>128765847
Yes.

>>128765874
Remember all those lrms here plz keep lox? See above. ECM/Radar deprivation helps too.

>>128766492
It sorta does. Scrub green usually means new person/new mech. That is an easy kill if you do not look at the loadout. So some dumb shits will tunnel vision on a perceived easy kill and chase you. The purple also doesnt visually stick out as much as say neon pink and white or whatever. But also, its an old meme where one of our best players would take, say, a commando, and sit under a direwolf and srm it in the dick until it dies.

Good players do not give a fuck what color you are, but there are some serious steering wheel underhivers. ECM helps out a by keeping you out of lock on range from way out, unless TAGged. Radar derp will kill any lock on once you break line of sight. Use this to reposition and live longer.

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>when you run out of AC/20 ammo and have to use your triple LPL
Also managed to get my arm to red, my head to orange and my torso to orange without ever losing full armor on them just from running override and getting really greedy for damage/kills. I think it paid off, at least.

>>128747782
A good rule of thumb for PuG's is that 8x your own tonnage is a "decent" amount of damage.

Fuck sake, playing an assault in a random matchup is a thing of suffering.

"Push" you say. Do they push? Fuck no, you only outnumber them by 3 mechs, probably best to turn around and run away instead of helping your assault.

>>128771256
This is why I play in groups tbqh familia.

>>128746072
They feel about as big a threat as a cicada, imo.

>>128740535
So you are saying 62 chassis are more than 128 chassis, and also ignoring that the MW4 hardpoints for each Mech made it possible to create just about all the variants.

>>128771801
R u trying to tell me my Champion Cicadii isn't any good?

>>128772702
The shoebox is a shitmech. Too goddamn big for its weight

>>128775273
It literally needs the BJs quirks.

>realize we're going to lose by base cap
>face to face with an Atlas
>hit overdrive and go mad minute on his ass
>almost manage to kill him before the base is capped
I'm 90% sure I would have melted myself but still, hot fucking damn do I do DPS.

>>128778256
shoo shoo slimey limey

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>mfw a guy in a BJ-1DC tells me the biggest engine it can fit is a 230
how do they live with being so slow?

>>128782657
every time i see the abbreviation BJ i think of blowjob because that's all they seem to be good for

What mech has the most missile hardpoitns available? I want to SRM boat.

>>128787349
Catapult, Mad Dog, Stormcrow

Take your pic

>no metamechs Awesome builds page
>I might actually have to think for myself for once
FUCK

>>128787937
That's what I did. I tinkered with a build until I found one that worked for me. Then I posted it here asking if anyone had any tweaks for it.

Is it worth buying a Cataphract at this point in the game's life cycle? Or should I save for something like a Timberwolf or just wait for the Warhammer to come out?

>>128788242
You don't understand dude, I'm literally incapable of free thought. I need someone to hold my hand and show me what the most meta possible Awesome build is so I can ream as much asshole as is physically possible with the frame.

>>128788614
Sucks to be you

>>128789083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

>>128788614
Build around quirks nigga. Does it have fat ppc buffs? stick four of the fucking things on and wreck faces at long range. Shit like that. The turbo matress is not for the faint of heart.

>>128784201
>that's all they seem to be good for

Blackjacks are one of the best medium mechs you scrub.

>>128788614
Which variant? None of them are particularly spectacular.

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>>128789657
>none of them

heh

>>128789995
I dont understand your post.

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>>128790091
The awesome is statistically the best mech in the game.

>>128790273
That chart means fuck all, it's not even a good measurement of player skill.

Any lard ass can throw numbers down and call it evidence.

>>128790273
Post your builds mang. I know Chim had a 4PPC Awesome.

>>128790273
>using evidence from 2 years back

All these newfags don't remember the three lrmpocalypses.

>>128791186
That wasn't from any LRMpocalypse

LRMs haven't been any kind of anything since Clans arrived

>>128791092
Thats aggregated data from the goldforums newfriend.

>>128791186
Its hilarious seeing people bitch about lrms. They are a mild annoyance at best.

>>128791186
>ignoring that the awesome has had two waves of buffs since then

Truly only the believers will be saved.

>>128791159
give me a sec

>>128791368
>goldforums
>the den of the literally retarded and the just pretending
kek

>They are a mild annoyance at best
That's true.

>>128791368
>Its hilarious seeing people bitch about lrms. They are a mild annoyance at best.
I remember back in the day they flew so fast AMS didn't do jack shit and it literally took them under a second to go max range. The days of hiding in the trenches behind mountians huddling together so the shitter next to you can take all the damage from the LRMs.

The good days.

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>>128791368
Still has zero sources cited on it. Ergo the graph is for little more then just show. Pulling it without context does more harm than good.

I could photoshop the same thing to have it claim that the Thunderbolt is rated 99% most efficient Assault mech in the game and it would have the same credibility as that.

Yes I know the Thunderbolt is a heavy, that's the point.

>>128791453
Akschtually

Some of the awesomes got nerfed in the steam patch two months ago.

>>128791159
>4PPC Awesome

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=14&l=82048d8ac2d057219559da2c07326581bb066b4f

>>128791324

probably cause you're not using them right.

>>128792152
The only way to use LRM's correctly is to take them off your mechs and put them in the fucking bin.

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>>128791159

>>128792323
lol haha what a zinger.

im sorry you're just too much of a scrub to understand how to use lrms effectively.

>>128791880
Don't remind me.

>>128792152
lol.

No, because even when they are used right they're still not worth it compared to direct fire weapons.

LRMs do not get used one iota in the comp scene, and it's because they're awful. This has been a constant rule of this game since 2012.

>>128792368
>LURMS
>No TAG

: /

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=15&l=c65995f00432aef816476a662df648d07f57cd4f

>>128792590
You might need to get your eyesight checked out.

>>128791964
>http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=14&l=82048d8ac2d057219559da2c07326581bb066b4f
Isn't that literally a canon build, as in tabletop cannon?

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>>128792573

>comp scene
>mwo

>>128792590

tag is inferior to narc anyway.

if you have line of sight on your target, you're using LRMs incorrectly.

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>>128791159
2/2

When are they going to add the AWS-9Q with ECM? That's what the Awesome really needs.

>>128792960
>tfw 1 armor on the CT missing

wow im a gigantic faggot. literally ignore everything

>>128793504
>im a gigantic faggot. literally ignore everything

ok.

Can someone please explain to me why people vote for all the absolute shit maps like Alpine, Terra Therma, and Forest Colony?

>>128794251
Because playing the same maps endlessly is boring as fuck?

>>128795196

>fuck

get this degeneracy out of here. swearing is for libcucks

>>128795196
wow rude. some people have different opinions

So, is there anything decent you can do with that Cicada you unlock in the event? Because it seems pretty worthless and I can't find any build guides for it.

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topkek

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>>128784201
>every time i see the abbreviation BJ i think of blowjob because that's all they seem to be good for

Nah.

>>128794251
Alpine is good imo, but fuck those other two. It's always fucking Forest Colony and it's so shit.

>>128796293
whats wrong with forest Colony? I Like it. As long as the teams dont get hung up staring at each other through that archway thing, its a decent game usually.

Are there fun mwo builds which are also viable at the middle and high tiers? I've been having fun while kicking ass with this underspecialized shaq and I would like to know if it's only working because lol tier 4.
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=154&l=3d9f3ddfc879a6ec87e15d03d64ebad66d8b4196

>>128796293
Why do you like Alpine?

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>>128796275
>censoring your name
Ha what a little prissy faggot

>>128796241
>C-AC20 on a Mad dog with low hung arms
>ever

>>128796129
Pretty sure the build it drops with it about as good as it gets. It's a mediocre medium, all in all.

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>>128796275
I will NEVER EVER let anyone forget about the one time I did good in a BJ-1X

>>128792894
How come? Hammering the hillside / building / map-prop seems like a waste of ammo. Letting them off at medium range when they can't get into cover seems best for me so far.

Genuine question because I'm new.

>>128798025

because if you can see them, they can see you. and their guns will most likely kill you before your lrms do.

>>128792894
>tag is inferior to narc anyway.

that's great, LRM boats shouldn't be giving up Missile Hard-points to carry a NARC though.

>>128798228

says who?

>>128798784
Common sense?

>>128797598
Literally who

>>128792368
Thanks doodbooty, figured it would be those. Lrm awesome best lrm boat.

>>128799173

common sense is a buzzword, please provide graphs next time you try and debate me.

>>128798025
Thats exactly how to do lrm suport. Holy shit most old shitters dont know how to play correctly. You push with yourr team at 500m or so and tag makes sure you cut thu ecm. Fags that sit behind a hill at 1000m are a waste of tonnage and teammates.

>>128800326

>not poptarting for narc hits then sitting behind a hill at 600m getting siqq damage

wew

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memes

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MAKE KONG GREAT AGAIN, VOTE FOR DUDEBUTT

>>128808359
Kong was NEVER good, though.

>>128811014
He will rewrite the past so it was

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Guys, guys.

Enjoying your robots?

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What goes through someones head, when they make a build like this?

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>>128814048
Surprising quantities of fun being mined, actually.

>>128814936
Probably something akin to USA USA USA!

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>>128814936
>Basically an even more shitter version of the Jaegermech A stock

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>>128814048
yes.

>>128798181

Ideally, you're in the 300-500m range when launching, and there's nothing wrong with having a decent brace of ML/MPL/ERML to dose things with while you're there.

Besides, they open holes for your missiles to grind up or finish off cored sections without wasting ammo.

And don't freak on giving up a hardpoint for NARC, either. At least on Clan boats, since having an almost uninteruptable lock can mean poking once and raining on a target from cover until it runs out.

>>128814936
LRM 5s and AC 2s maximise the dps to tonnage ratio among LRMs and ACs. Of course that ignores the bad problems with the heat penalty, pathetic ams penetration, the AC2s needing line of sight, and the LRMs wanting not to have line of sight.

>>128814936

"I am terrified of shooting at anything close enough to see me, but don't care if I actually hurt it."

>>128743229
So is interstellar marines which was hyped a whole bunch years ago. I wish they would just fuck off with early access.

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tfw playing robots with shimmy again

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What are the best mad dog builds? I have two to outfit and dont want both to be http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=212&l=89ceaa9275a615341d8f387ff6379ebadb8fadca

What's a good assault build?
I am currently enjoying the fuck out of the Dire Wolf trial mech, but it seems like it could use more punch tbqh senpai.

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>he doesn't have a full module set for each mech

wow

Why isn't there an MC only module that eliminate ghost heat? I thought PGI only wanted money.
I'd buy it.

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>>128824223
>being space poor in general

Rippedshadow pls

How do I not suck with SSRM's? I just put some on a Stormcrow and now I can hardly get any hits in because of the lock delay is at odds with the way I've found success in the past few days by peeking and sniping with lasers.

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>>128824223
>>128825365
>literally living in a jenner hole
>wondering why I don't have more than one set of modules

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>>128743229
>Starbound is still early access

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>>128821360
>greg playing with Shimmy
Greg did you get demoted to quadruple F team again?

Really damn late but

>>128796578
Shaq 2K is alright for meta play due to high energy hardpoints. Either go all in for big long range or go for brawling. The griffin outshines the shaq due to chassis quirks but the 2K is still really damn good.

Classic brawler

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=154&l=02678d992851eacfdf9d31fa667815faad212f65

>>128815754
Top right crow almost has HARD written on the nose

>>128828251
It's a very phallic and hard nose.

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>>128822105
Anyone?

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WEW LAD
Well meme'd Pig.
http://mwomercs.com/news/2016/01/1455-countdown-to-warhammer-release-3-days-left

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>>128828610
>>128822105
>These are the builds on meta mechs
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=212&l=045c6ef14ee43525499cdae3ecf5c94a2107b60c

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=212&l=f623cc52973d54c6aa246869a2d1511717b86bb5

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=212&l=746c65e945258b3b59c3821dff15942f483c4ee3

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>>128829540
>>128796241

>http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=212&l=f623cc52973d54c6aa246869a2d1511717b86bb5

It makes so much sense now. Reminder that this build is garbo bait, and another reason to take metamechs builds with a grain of salt.

>>128829540
>>128830153
What in the ever loving fuck is this shit? Are there this many funny clan designs on metamechs? The IS recipes are pretty much spot on with adjust salt to taste from what i have seen.

>>128831094
I pointed out the shit builds on MetaMechs like a month ago, and some asshole straight up told me "hur dur, the guy that builds them is super gud, ur just shit and don't see their value".

desu mad dogs are only good at streaks, surms, and I guess lurms

How does this look for a king crab? Any suggestions?

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=240&l=879bc064c85f12bb2c86a60a88f4dc45582d5e81

>>128832746
It's possible you're in the wrong thread.

>>128831484
Wait, its just one dude? Fucking hell that is bad. No wonder the IS mechs are alright, all the good builds are copy pasta from years of gameplay. Fuck, we need to have the KONG approved builds google doc updated.

>>128832953
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=240&l=4c3cc8865de43ba0e639ff136c47cfb8f165012e

>>128833041
>implying kong can agree on anything like that

>>128832953
Don't overcomplicate things and don't run xl crabs.

>>128833210
>Extra heatsinks on an icecold build
kek
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=240&l=8917b1f442e9c2ad63b308c2b8b77e93ebfb6078

>>128832953
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=240&l=1a372774449da4d21e0fdf431424f428968fb6b2

Never use an XL with a KGC. It is one of the most unsafe mechs due to its shape and hitboxes.

>>128833308
You just need the word of a Warboss and that shit is now law. Good builds will prove themselves in competent hands. I think Haracuck, Dudeass and Greg are the remains of our decent old playerbase. Vass is our totem shitposting loremaster.

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>>128833621
>he thinks it's a cool running build

>>128833918
There's also Shaix, Whispers, Jules, Accurs3D, Pizzadog, and others

>>128834065
>Approximate time to overheat: never

I know you're just pretending to be this retarded but I expected more from you.

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>>128832746
Playing Grindframe

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>attempting to make builds

>>128833918
>>128834382
Everyone in the a-team likes very different builds and very different weapon types due to their playing styles. There's very little consensus on top builds for most mechs with only a few obvious exceptions.

So this is my current King Crab build. Should I scrap it and go full AC/5 daka?

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=240&l=e7850d656a307c3b9bb164858f3fed1fc9176593

inb4 >XL

>>128835408
>XL
>AMS
>Mixed SRMs
>ERLL

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>>128835408
>Its shit out of 10

>>128835408
My recommendation is to uninstall, wipe your hdd, sell the computer, and never ever have anything to do with the internet again

>>128834382
I dont play that often so who I see is usually posting on here. What I am saying is we dont have a clear top tier personality to rally around anymore who acts as a "this is how shit works and let me show you by getting quad digit scores" sage.

The friendslist graveyard is extensive,I feel like a WW2 vet looking at that shit.

>>128835408
You are trying to do too many things at once. Stop. Do you want to brawl, or do you want to be mid/long ranged focused?

>>128836575
>clear top tier personality to rally around

kek

yeah no this isn't how Kong works and the top players all have their own builds and styles

Not only that but only some people namefag

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>>128835408
Pretty much this >>128835602

If you specialize in everything, you specialize in nothing. ERLL is for a different architype, and you're just wasting heat by using them.

Here's a low-cost intermediate build you could use while keeping the sunk cost XL, but the end build will be a STD 325 without AMS:
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=240&l=67066a8c03b6d334d27753b7f736cb600e1ca86d

>>128836735
BUT KONG IS A MERITOCRACY

--kaelus

>>128836575
>>128836856

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I basically designed the thing to be an all-around pug mech. What's wrong with AMS?

>>128837243
SOME WOULD ARGUE that it's a waste of tonnage, but in your situation with an XL it's more like a crutch. You should know what positions to avoid to not being annihilated by lurmspam, but since you probably don't have speed tweak, along with an XL, it's probably helpful at this stage. It's better to have a light or fast medium with dual AMS to do that work for you, but you can't guarantee that in pugland.

>>128836735
Youre talking to someone who has been around since the concept of a gorillion dollars was the sole motivation for the name of Kong. Im not even sure /vg/ was a thing when this group was actually conceived. Yes, some people namefag(and they have consistently), which is completely acceptable on this general. but I also look at scorescreens and often time people post anon while displaying the end game screen.

I am not saying playstyle does not factor into this at all, but there are objectively good things to do with certain mechs, certain mechs are total shit no matter what, and there are optimal things to do because of meta.

>>128837243
One AMS by itslef is useless, if a bunch are carrying it, then AMS is a net of FUCK YOUR MISSLES. But lrms have been nerfed where good positioning means AMS is no longer necessary.

Jack of all trades mechs are great in the tabletop game, they do not work in fps high alpha games. The idea itself isnt wrong, but the way things are setup just fuck you over. specialization is key and this game, like other MW games, goes to long range, high alpha builds.

>>128837243
Literally who are you?

Of course there are objectively good mechs, and objectively good builds and their nega-counterparts, objectively shit mechs and objectively shit builds, but any decent player knows that along with what's meta.

Nu-konglets that get on Mumble receive advice and go through the trial by fire.

Those venerable oldfags that still play know what they're doing.

So I don't really get your point here by saying "I've been here since the dawn of Kong." You just sound like Connor or that Sofakingfuerte faggot.

>>128839347
Did you mis-link that?

>>128839461
Yes, it was directed at
>>128838240

>>128839347
Who are you replying to?

Memes aside, the whole A-team agenda has kind of ruined that dynamic of kong a long time ago.

>>128838240
>not namefagging in the current year

>>128839662
That's my favorite meme

The meme where shitters like Attack Wallaby aren't allowed in

The meme where Kakos "Kaelus" Kolos Kerensky is literally the best player

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Alright, I've been using the Hellbringer for some time now and I'm starting to run into difficulties with it.

This is the current build I'm useing http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=230&l=439d58644aaa715fcfea367cdb4d892b2970a36d

I find that my damage output is stupid low at time when at range. I've thrown on a Gauss instead of the dual 5's and with it I can count on one hand the games it didn't blow up on me. With the auto cannons, it feels like that I get even less damage since its split due to clan bursts.

I'm unsure what to do with it at this point. Any advice you guys have would be appreciated.

>>128840707
>dual AC5s
>not even UAC5s

My friend, you aren't meming correctly.

Try using 1 LPL and 5 ERML or like 4/5ERML and a goose.

>>128840875
I feel like Gauss is more of a liability than anything. Anytime the armor goes down on that side, the freaking gun explodes taking 20% of my mech with it.

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>>128840707
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=230&l=3e9eeffe9035224fde5c051e268376f1e08bfe21

I've honestly had really amazing games with this build. Not sure on how you feel about ER SL or UAC builds, but it does brawling and mid/short range poking pretty well

alternatively there's http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=231&l=08e9c8d3dcc58efd67b29838afbec106e34ce11c and http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=232&l=85188bedd5162c07315472855395f78a6ae4932d that work just as well

6 med pulse or 6 ER ML works too

>>128839662
Man glutes, you know only a few dare to become avatars of living memes.

>>128839347
I had a nice reply but then it got swallowed by the ether. So heres the rundown. I said we need to have a google.doc of approved builds. You funposted that kong cant come to a consensus about good builds. I waved my oldfag epeen around and you got defensive and now you support my claims that there should be obvious builds. Now you want to know exactly who I am to prove my old fag status. Well, its really simple Anon. I am Anon.

>>128841968
Its an old fix to an old problem. PPC/Goose used to be the meta. It is why you cant hit shit while you are JJing.

>>128841968
The HBR is an assym mech. The Gauss side has nothing in it anyways, aside from the Gauss.

Also adjust your armor values, cucklord. Do you want your heavy to get legged?
Why do you have so much back armor? That's partly why your gauss goes so quickly.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=230&l=45a6e7b5f9e23a535c0d33a39a3d6156dd778dbd

Now this build is still up to personal taste but it's the gist of goose + lasers.

You could get more gauss ammo and swap the TC1 for another DHS. You could adjust the front/back armor values a little. You could beef the arms up but they're mostly useless anyways.

>>128842058
Fuck off Greg

>>128842210
Yes yes, le anonymous oldfag with supposed "e-peen" who's too afraid to post his username.

I never disagreed that there should be obvious builds, but those are already REALLY obvious and are covered by that Lords google docs slideshow or Metemechs. There's no super sekrit Kong only builds.

Why create a "Kong builds spreadsheet" then? There's already other resources out there for the new players. The old players can't reference the same resources or other non-shit players from Kong.

>>128842058
>not doing the kakao kakos kaelus kolos kanker build

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=230&l=50eed56ef7795f9a9522d90db0c64adee2dbcf6b

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Actual question here, do any of you actually enjoy those laser vomit builds, or just enjoy doing well? I can't run that shit, too boring for me.

>>128844467
Yes.

>>128843009
I suggested the old kongdocs because metamechs is apparently way more shit than i thought possible. The mor ethings change the more it is necessary kong is the insane voice of reason in the shitstorm of bads. Plus, we get so many newfriends with shitbuilds that it should be a part of the OP because the forum standard is garbage.
You want to know how old I am? I used to Bro-op with sandshrew cause he was husbando tier. I told the original shits we shouldnt be elitist fucks, back when tourmaline was in alpha before even closed beta was even a thing. I supported kevin and his bots in the hope the game would get better. I used to drop with Lemmywinks and noblesse oblige, whom connor could never pronounce the same way any single time, ever. I got a refund on my 60$ of founder gold cause my computer decided to shit the bed and save me fromt his game. I omit my name because it so obviously burns you. You want to lash out at me, get others to do the same. Nah, fuck off, we will play together and be buddies.

This is honestly enough info to figure out who I am if you care enough.

>>128844525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7XfyyKYxnU
>>128844467
Wubs are fine, but standard vomit is disgustingly boring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZOuc3NW6f0
Warhammer Cockpit + more previews of Hoth

Also those reused Marauder cockpit items, how weak

>>128844467
They're alright, ML+Goose builds are pretty fun to me though. Looking forward to whatever PPC love is apparently coming.

>>128844695
Nigger I literally don't know who you are or , but want to know why you're hiding while trying to project that "I'm a holier than thou art oldfag vibe" but remain anonymous.

I've played with literally all of the people you've listed and have been through the same shit except I got in at the tail end of closed beta due to not paying.

I'm the memer known as Accurs3D but I LITERALLY don't know who you are.


I'm getting that Battlecruiser vibe but you're probably not him. You don't type illegibly and post lewd animes like Icegryphon. Not enough typos Infernus to be Not enough REAL talk to be Spud. Pretty sure it's not Jomacdo or Krillian or GaiDaigouji or Valk or Tsyrker or Gorgatron , etc.

Cockpit view is up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZOuc3NW6f0

>can't decide which heavy to get for my first ever heavy

6 LRM5 Mad Dog, somethingsomething Timber Wolf, 4 Large Laser Quickdraw...

FUCK

>>128845576
You are so invested in this. Just stop you manlet. If only haruko was here to call you a little faggot and dom you. Im even on the kong height/weight chart, fuckin hell man.

The thing is you do know me but I am usually a lurker and not vocal.

If you are Accurs then come on man, I have been around forever. I can be shitter or decent in mwo. I anon cause shits hilarious and for the intended reasons. Im not convinced you are Accurs btw.

>>128845576
>>128846905
But thanks for posting the wall of lost friends. I miss these dudes. I was pretty sure I liked Battlecruisers posts because we typed similarly and he wasnt awful and was a generally decent dude to be around.

>>128846905
>if only haruko were here

No girls (or wannabes) allowed. I'm sitting here on Mumble right now playing Runescape. Come @ me pham.

Still literally don't know who you are, must not be important or A-team material ;^).

Also w/e the height/weight chart says is inaccurate, I never even gave my measurements but of course Haruko wants to think I'm an obese manlet. Fuck them.

>>128846739
My personal opinion would be mad dogs, but the smart choice is the timber, it being probably the best all purpose mech.

>>128847191
My opinion is that BC is an insufferable cunt with a sense of too much self importance.

Generally wasn't that bad but only ever played DWFs

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>>128846739

>>128847281
Stop being so angry senpai

>>128847448
He was a dwarf to the end from what I remember. I do not disagree with you on any point here.

>>128848628
But I am not angry

If you want actual angry/salt then look at Greg or Connor

>>128847568
Oh, forgot about that one...

Why is the Warhammer being released on a Tuesday with the patch? Why didn't they push it slightly earlier or later so that it arrives on a weekend?

In other news, if James Mattis pilots a Mad Dog, what does Trump pilot?

>>128852013
>what does Trump pilot?
An Atlas. Let's make the Inner Sphere great again and push the dirty clans out of our home!

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>>128852079
Why did I make this?

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=164&l=d3ede1505429d337b27f735fb5545f2476abde57

Did I do bad? Plan on using the lasers over the LRMs, which I will use for guys out of position or in the open. Might have too much ammo for that job though.

Clear something up for me;

A Victor with an XL340 engine goes up to a maximum of 68.8kph.

A Zeus with an XL320 engine goes up to a maximum of 69.6kph.

Both mechs are an 80 ton chassis, though the Victors model is notably taller and wider than the Zeus' model.

So what gives?

>>128853410
You forget locomotion. One's legs actuators might be more efficient than the other.

>>128853410
One has speed tweak the other doesn't numb nuts.

>>128853410
The Victor will go 74+ KPH with speed tweak unlocked. Smurfy will always tell you the speed that an engine will give for a mech before and after speed tweak.

LRM20 is practically nothing, IMO. It's not the worst build but you could do much better. You have too much LRM ammo for one. You could also fit in more ERMLs if you're really intending to use those over the LRMs.

>>128853901
I'm guessing this goes here >>128853386

>>128853942
Yes.

>>128853901
I could drop two tons of ammo and change the right Torso to S, but to fit the stuff back in I'd have to drop Artemis... those locked jets are in the way.

Got a feeling if I'm going to do missile anything I'm better off just going SRM and getting in closer to the fight.

>>128854401
You can keep the ALRM10s with the right S torso. Otherwise, SRMs would be good, but you have to get close.

http://metamechs.com/mwo-guides/clan-master-guides/timber-wolf/

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LRMs. Such a terrible choice. You might end up with a game like this.

>>128854939
Get brain cancer, faggot.

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>>128854939

In case you haven't guessed, I'm Brain Cancer in the first pic.

And clearly, I got into this Cataphract pilot's head. 4 medium lasers and AMS. On a 70-ton 'Mech. It's not quite the dumbest thing I've seen, but it's on the top list.

Killing it was a merciful act.

>>128855051
>this build

lmao

>>128853410
Victors suck.

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>>128855051
I can tell you that your stormcrow is one of the dumbest thing's i've seen... holy shit

>2 LRM 10's
>1 LP
>Brain Cancer

sounds about right... that fight between you two must have been one hell of a special olympics

>rolling in my shadowcat
>kill two blowjobs and an atlas

get fucked freebirth scum

>>128854939
>not shown: 10 games of <100 damage

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Fegs Lets play robits

>>128857382
no tychief brundam wing don't want no wendingos on my team

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>>128857482
You would never be able to tell if you did before it was to late.

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>>128836856

He was right about that, though.

Anyway, we could totally make a build list. The old fell into disuse because it was made back in the 'rebalance everything every patch'-days.

But the total shitmech and shitmech variants aren't getting listed.

Is the Hellbringer worth a buy? What's it good at?

>>128859651
Laserboating with ECM.

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>>128844467

No, I fucking hate lasers like you wouldn't believe. It's one of many reasons I avoid playing the game.

>>128859651
Yes, it's good stuff. Has fairly high mounted hardpoints, ecm as a heavy and can boat lasers or do some decent dakka.

>>128859649
>blowjobs getting btfo'd
good times

>>128859651
yes; it can take ecm
if you don't care about ecm get something else

>>128844695

Either Jade or Cattra.

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Of all the ebin jag builds, THIS is what people come up with?

>>128860007
It's the trail ebin jag, m8.

>>128860061
Holy shit it is...
Why?

>>128860162
it is not pgi's job to put good builds into the hands of players (but they certainly do it with bad builds!)

>>128834389
Its actually 16 seconds to overheat anon.

>>128859649
that gif, over 270 missiles and it just about kills an already 1/2 dead Blowjob.

Not exactly tonnage efficient is it?

>>128859790
What is that image of? Reverse image searched it and anything written about it is in ching-chong language.

>>128861089
Google folded amunition

>>128854939

Hey I survived and won that match with my LRMs thank you.

I can't help but love those noobtubes.

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>>128861089

Actually folded ammo. 50-60s mad science experiment that didn't go anywhere. Would probably be very possible to do with today's technology and modern materials.

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Dead game my arse.

What's your dream player count and map size?

>>128862983
stop with this meme

>>128863046
meme is a meme

I have 17M dollarinos due to mastering my first three hunchbacks for no discernable reason.

Now what do I do (besides quit and shitpost, which I am already doing)

>>128863453
master something else or buy modules

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How do people keep their mouse so steady to aim with? I think its my main thing holding me back right now.

I've mild RSI from 12 years of IT work, and holding my crosshair steady on a hit location while tracking a moving target isn't particularly easy. Anyone have any suggestions?

>>128739130
I think you underestimate the size of Australia.

>>128864105
>12 years of IT
>RSI
you're not very bright, are you?

>>128864202
You're a bit of a dick, aren't you?

>>128864105
maybe a mouse with adjustable dpi? mine has an xXxmlg proxXx SNIPER BUTTON where my thumb is that lowers dpi when pressed, if that don't work get one of those mouse pads that has tits, you know the ones

>>128864302
show me this xXxmlg proxXx SNIPER BUTTON if it's so great

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>>128864302
Can't change my mouse unfortunately, use one of pic related.

Its absolutely fucking fantastic from stopping my wrist pain from flaring up, but unfortunately doesnt come with a DPI clutch.

>>128739130
With Crysis netcode? Fuck yes its too much to ask for.

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>>128864374
I'm so sorry.

>>128864287
So you worked IT for 12 fucking years and never once thought about RSI or taken measures to prevent it? Sounds like a classic case of stupidity tax on your own body.

>>128864893
RSI could've been prevented if we just didn't give them money

>>128864523

You could use a shirt as a mouse pad and do some ironing while you play!

>>128864893
Obviously I took measures to prevent it. I got sent on fucking courses by my employer so we could all learn correct posture, positioning and desk setup to avoid it. I have ergonomic keyboards and always used mice with wrist rests. Its just if you do something for that length of time your body just craps out.

You play games a lot kid? Spend a good few hours a day on your PC trolling people? You'll be in my position in 15 years time.

Get your laughs in now while its still funny kid.

>>128864778
glorious

>>128865240
I hope this doesn't happen because
>IT work
>Spend copious amounts of PC
>Ride motorcycle

Can't have my wrist cramping on the bike, how else will I do sick willies

>>128865240
I've been working IT sice 2008 and I've been playing PC games since I was in middle school.
Do you know why I don't have RSI? Cause I'm not a fucking retard and understand how my wrists work, how to properly position them and when to take breaks. Protip: your own body tells you what's right and wrong by becoming strained and uncomfortable, not some course run by a bottom feeding med school reject. You don't need a shitty overpriced 'ergonomic' keyboard to prevent it, you need a functioning brain.

>>128865639
I put my mouse and pad at the very edge of the table. My wrists always hang in the air unless the table and chair setup is awkward and I have to lean deeply inwards. I also use very high sensitivities with a grip that is efficient with small and precise movements.

What is this "carpal tunnel" that everyone keeps talking about?

What's a good build using an EMC for the hellbringer? I'm trying to figure something out but just can't for some reason.

>>128868073
6 ERML
6 MPL
5 ERML 1 LPL
4 ML 1 Gauss

>>128868073
Hmm, lets see, lots of lasers, lots of lasers, lots of laser, lots of laser and a uac 20, and lots of lasers and a gauss rifle.

>>128865639
>>128866832
>it hasnt happened to me yet, therefore it wont.

ha. Yeah, I thought the same way.

So when will I be able to buy the Memehammer for C-Bills? A week?

>>128864105
Fingertip grip. It's literally the only way to hold a mouse, if you palm/claw you're a fucking mongoloid.

>>128767962
>play ACH-Prime
>run up behind KGB while it's still making it's way to the battle.
>free kill
>find 2 more the same game
>3 solo kills on Mr. Krabs in the first 5 minutes of the game

>>128869529
The FAQ says TBD so, a few months.

>>128869646
>It's literally the only way to hold a mouse
You're figuratively literally retarded.

I'm running the old 3x UAC5, 3x ML Ilya Muromets build, but it seems to be severely under-performing. Back when I last used it it was pretty decent, but as it stands now I'm getting very low scores in it.

Any suggestions? Is there a different build I can try on the thing? The constant stream of damage from the UAC's doesn't seem to be worth having to be out of cover constantly to keep the chain-fire rolling.

>>128870798
palm gripper detected, enjoy being unable to aim at all

>>128871313
>unable to aim at all
Do you have an proof to back that up? I seriously doubt you do, considering you're talking out your ass.

>>128872056
Five years of telemetry data from a scientific institute, actually. But I'll do you one better, I'll kick your fucking ass in MWO.

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>>128843009
I made this google doc ages ago but no one updated it. I probably made it too difficult.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hzf-6L7ePfGNN6hDGeDJlDOn4Hf2PznPFly8KkLjl-c/edit#gid=0

If I'm feeling non-lazy I might scrape the archives for builds.

>>128871181
HIT AND FADE YO. But yeah, sorry to tell you but it's an antique now. I haven't played my elmo since 2013. IIRC it has AC5 qwirx, and the last build I used was 3ac5 1erppc. It was fun but still not that good.

>>128868143
Kakos uses 2LPL + 4SPL, but I've never understood that meme
Greg uses 2UAC5 + 6SL
6MPL just feels so good

>>128859649
It just irked me the contexts he would bring it up. Either to shut up newfags or people like connor, or to divert attention away from himself.

I don't like kaelus!

>>128872318
>HIT AND FADE YO. But yeah, sorry to tell you but it's an antique now.

Feels that way, hard to fade back to cover when you're as slow as this fat shit is.

I;ll have to consider picking up some other machine to print C-Bills.

>>128872262
Actually how about you give me a link?

Until otherwise, I'm a Navy SEAL. My proof is I am a Navy SEAL.

>>128872537
Look dude, put your money where your mouth is and fight me in-game. I'll prove that your palm grip is inferior to my fingertip.

>>128865240
Get a trackball.

>>128866832
>straining your elbows keeping your arms floating

>>128869646
Bullshit.

>>128872262
link

>>128872631
Link.

>>128872824
>trackball

1996 called, it wants it peripherals back.

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>>128872631
How about you give me the link to the study you claim happened. Also, why do you pretend it's hard to aim in MWO? Maybe when you're moving at high speeds with high angular velocity.

Pic related, easy wins.

ITT: You're all retarded

>>128872895
Better than a fucking mouse. Also more accurate.

>>128872954
Yeah there is some serious old man shitflinging going on in here.

>>128872967
How many pro FPS players do you see with track balls? They're not used for a reason.

>>128873051
That reason being that getting used to a trackball takes time, and everyone's used to mice already.

>>128872967
>Also more accurate

how the fuck can a trackball be more accurate through a range of motion like you get in mechwarrior when you constantly have to lift your fingers/thumb off the ball all the damn time to move the cursor further, apart from for the smallest of movements?

Theres a reason no-ones using them anymore.

>>128873298
Exactly. Muscle memory also favors larger movements, which are easier to reproduce with a mouse, especially one on low DPI.

>>128873298
>you constantly have to lift your fingers/thumb off the ball all the damn time to move the cursor further

Too low sensitivity. Also a shitty trackball. I can do a 360 easily using only one finger, in a horizontal motion. Can stop at any moment precisely where I want due to high quality sensors.

But then I also do CAD work, so I'm used to it.

Got a spare ton and a half, which is more useful, BAP or AMS and a 1/2 load AMS Ammo?

>>128873770
>360 easily using only one finger, in a horizontal motion.

In a single finger swipe? So what you cannot do is fine control, like tracking an open CT on a mech, moving laterally across your screen.

You cant do BOTH large movements on a trackball with only one limit of travel of a finger, while at the same time doing fine motion, they are actions that are at opposite ends of the DPI scale.

>>128872824
>trackball
>implying I wont jam it up with Cheeto encrusted fingers

Where do you think you're posting anon? normies-online.com?

>>128874054
>So what you cannot do is fine control, like tracking an open CT on a mech, moving laterally across your screen.

Absolutely can. You know how fine control you have over the tip of a pen with your hand? That's about how fine control gets with a trackball. And it's way more than enough to track perfectly.

>>128874205
>eating at the computer
Please.

>>128874850
>doesn't eat at the computer
casual

age

>>128826043
get artemis and tag
(yes artemis works even though it shouldn't)

>>128844467
i love lasers

So I'm new to the game and want a laser vomit long-range build.

I got a DireWolf based on the trial mech, and it overheats ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

How can I mitigate the heat issue? I have 6 ERLL's and everything else is heat sinks, and it still overheats to fuck.

>>128878961
post build: http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=171&l=stock

firing more than 3 ER-LLs generates lods e heat (you need a .5 second delay to avoid it, so you can fire 3, then the other 3)

>>128864105
Plenty of modern mice have multiple settings, some of them will even let you configure what those dpi settings are, and what button to press to swap them. You don't need to get >>128864778

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>>128879642
what he said, I'm pretty sure plenty of mice have settings like this when you install the drivers. I however only have experience with Logitech.

>>128879313
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=171&l=00a6507522d556a2473522438f2b4fbb083f3cfd

I am firing in sets of 2, in order to mitigate the heating issue, but even that's not good enough because sustained fire (for example, to suppress an enemy mech from peeking) is insanely hot.

>>128880185
looks like you don't need clan active probe, or that much rear armor(unless you are constantly getting rear cored), you could maybe drop those two for another heat sink or two, might help

>>128880185
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?

LE SNIPER WOLF SUPPORT ASSAULT MEME

JUST STOP

>>128871181
Cataphracts are total shit. Awful hitboxes and awful lowslung hardpoints.

Elmo can run double goose + lasers or 3uac5 + lasers with some small amount of effectiveness because the goose lets you hit at range and hide quickly, and the uacs let you hit at range and typically force people to back away into cover instead of shoot back.

Doesn't change that it's basically a ballistic awesome without awesome tier quirks.

>>128880527
I put the probe there because I'm left with a single slot, and weight isn't maxed out yet.

As for armor, yeah, I don't play CW's yet, so I'm getting fucked by teammates not watching the back all the time.

As far as even more heatsinks, I'll check it out.

>>128880682
>sniper
Nigga I push front lines and hold forward positions, the fuck is your problem?

>>128880797
I'm retarded. I removed the probe, added heat sink.

Testing it out now.