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>Previously on /4ccg/:
>Anime is for disgusting manchildren
Test Cup finishes this weekend
>Unfriendlies exports due today
horsefuckers not welcome
Tentative Winter Cup dates: Signups on the 23rd, draw on the 30th, 1st games Feb 12
evidently getting involved with the 4cc means you become a magical girl
If you've already been a manager you don't need to do anything other than put your name onto the team's wiki page unless you're trying to revive a dead team.
This is %100 true, now put your signature on the verification page.
If you want to browse /a/, make sure you filter !!vKeby4ZIHSI
I saved 19 elf stuff but I still can't find elves like these. Thanks /a/
Today there was a guy on the bus who watched that skeleton anime on his phone (not Inferno Coppu, the other one that was mentioned in one of these threads, this one)
I wanted say
>hey /a/utist, HYP for winter y/y
but I was too shy.
There are 2 options with the Unfriendlies. I either drop the whole second friday and make 4 matches with something. Or leave it and make 11 matches. It probably will be the first option, because we don't have exports for every team so I can't just throw to teams together.
Either way there will be options to suggest >fun matches.
this never got why he wanted to exclude the only always active fanbase from his stupid stream.
German hates /mlp/
German makes joke about /mlp/ being excluded from friendlies
Some (presumably Jewish) /mlp/ faggot whines about the German's joke
German makes pony holocaust official
>thinking this is a motherfucking game
you think Germs would finally learn from history
People would've blamed horsefuckers for rigging it, because they were one of the teams that dominated in PES15.
In PES16, everyone is now equally good, or shit, whichever way you want to look at it. It probably would've been a better idea to stick with PES15 for Winter, and use Spring as an experimental cup to try and fix the myriad of issues in PES16.
It is especially apparent/powerful in PES16, though. In older versions, in the majority of games it seemed to be a minor edge to a team that was already doing well, and it could easily be lost/reset. In PES16, momentum seems to be the deciding factor, and it results in complete RNG wins based on which team manages to gain momentum first. Formations, tactics, conditions, they don't matter at all. You're basically just praying your team gains momentum first and doesn't lose it.
If we manage to disable or lessen the effects of momentum and fix up the retardedness of non-medals, PES16 would be a great game.
Here's the rundown how it all went to be.
I made some epic hot post for shits and giggles, mostly aware that I'll probably would be too drunk to even remember I said /mlp/ wont be allowed. I actually didn't even expect people to care about it much, because it was at the end of some longer post with quite a few other infos.
Then later I was in IRC where Boris tells me I have to allow /mlp/ or I can't use the official stream and that people complained to him. For one thing I intended to use the unofficial twitch anyway, so the threat I got 'blackmailed' with was nothing to me anyway. It was actually the opposite, since it was public, there was no way I could agree to it. I couldn't bow down to /merit/ abusing their power and everyone knew that like 1 minute in. People could have send me a private message wether or not I was memeing, but nobody didn't. The reason I started doing friendlies is so that I could do whatever I want and so that I see /jp/ play more than once every 6 months.
tl;dr: ponyfuckers brought this upon themself
>complete RNG wins based on which team manages to gain momentum first. Formations, tactics, conditions, they don't matter at all. You're basically just praying
Just like PES14 then. That means it's okay to use.
>finally get work time for spess refs
>provided files are poser and not blender/obj files
mesh data is in plaintext in poser files but writing a new converter is too time consuming for something I need pronto
so I decided to roll my own since I'd probably have to do a bunch of tweaking anyway
>probably gonna need sleep before I can finish refs
do you think this collar would work with your kits?
It was rather Boris being a quickshot. We saw the comment, most of us didn't take it too seriously, but went 'if he is actually serious, isn't that something we should be against?' and then we discussed that for a few minutes, leaning towards 'friendlies should be for everyone', as they are a nice way for teams with little cup experience to get a foot in. This obviously doesn't apply to /mlp/, but before the discussion got that far Boris jumped in. He decided to carry that argument that you the IRC for reasons that are beyond me. The rest was someone else getting hotheaded about it (Ved, I think?).
There you go.
Should have always called them unfriendlies desu.
Well judging by this failure of /jp/blenderguy and him needing me to do the cpk for blenders, I need to take away his lolis until he gits gud.
He is partly excused though, I mean he has autism.
Also get skype or support my patreon.
In the /mlp/ manager Skype, we talked about it and decided to just keep quiet, as we realized making a fuss would turn into drama that would benefit no one. We were already planning to do a couple of invitationals and events of our own, so that would make up for the loss.
I don't know where the whole blackmail thing came from, but it wasn't something demanded or orchestrated by us. I hope we're allowed to do friendlies in the future again as it's a good opportunity to do fun things (like the = team).
Don't be too hard on him
I've got the body parts I need from some of the files, but the extra bits are in files that are meant for Poser
still need to finish cleaning up the mesh and format them for PES
Oh you should have seen the VGL skype group when I was furiously mad about all that music I needed to download. I was so pissed because it took hours and people kept nagging me with shit. It's the reason why I'll throw Nomo into the Unfriendlies group so he can see how I keep the workload away from my streamers.
I think Boris was just tired and was like "get this done in 5 minutes lyl", like he barely cared.
We gonna see /mlp/ in like 5-7 matches anyway in winter, thank to the power of rigging. So it shouldn't be much of a loss for /mlp/ and we got mad bantz out of this. I have no clue what some people have in the works for me, I asked several people for stuff.
I also expect to see people fuck stuff up over the next 3 days. Maybe by wednesday, everything will be fixed.
You can avatarfag as a little girl and everyone would visualize you as that in their thoughts. They might also think you are just a fat neckbeard but the little girl image is much more appealing and will override that when thinking about you.
>I think Boris was just tired and was like "get this done in 5 minutes lyl", like he barely cared.
Yeah, but there was no reason to actually reach a decision, hence I found it weird and uncalled for to go all out on this one. Oh well.
I also don't really care about /mlp/ having friendlies or not (because they are the last team that needs a publicity boost), and I do agree that the streamer needs as much freedom as possible.
However, I personally think that in the future it would be nice to allow teams that wish to get into an actual cup to participate (like /aco/ and whatnot). While we don't want to add more teams to the already bloated Mega Babby, we should find ways to filter teams that are more reliable than gut decisions and >polls. With them actually playing it's easier to gauge how much the viewers and their management actually care. It would be still vague, but better than what we currently have for those newcomers/comebacks.
It also allows teams that did not manage to qualify for a Babby for whatever reason to at least play on the official stream a few times per year.
This all builds up to a process I would personally like to see in which we give Babby spots away based on a mixture of past performance, activity in invitationals, popular vote, aesthetics, and whatnot. It would put more power in the hands of the boards who want to get a foot (back) into the cup and force teams that are semi-dead but still hang around for traditional reasons to compete on more than a simple play-off level twice per year.
Just some thoughts I am toying with.
Just keep the name Unfriendlies. I feel it's so much more in the spirit of 4chan in general.
most of the people here are fucking chimps, still cant believe this cup is still going.The power of autism i guess.
Do what you want family, just thirsty to see /my team/ play.
>/merit/ drops friendlies
>If you want friendlies do it yourselves! :^)
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT :^(
I agree with this. One of the things that pissed me off with /lgbt/ was that I said that the manager they got will only sign them up and I was right. They ended up playing completely uninspired matches. A multitude of people spoke out about this issue already. But on the other side it's really hard to judge what amount of participation is enough.
Some small boards have percentage wise more people interested in the cup that for examle /a/ or /sp/. 200 on /a/ isn't much.
I also didn't reallysay that /aco/ couldn't make a team and challenge someone. But nobody contacted me, so that never happened. Some boards are of course completely dead or useless, like /r/. Look at the board, it's absolutely dead, just a sea of new threads with every reply being a bump.
Why would you want them?
It happened several times
>disagree about sacking the babbys I dare you
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAN BAN YOU FUCK BAAAAAAAAAN
>fuck you thread peasants figure out LOD for yourself
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK BAN BAN BAN
>insult Tony once I dare you
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU BAN BAN BAN DIEEE
>we don't give a shit about friendlies it's too much of a burdenso host it yourself I dare you
>FUCKKING BITCH DIE BAN BAN BAN
>I also didn't reallysay that /aco/ couldn't make a team and challenge someone.
Never wanted to imply that. As far as I know, not even /trash/ or /qa/ tried anything other than whining about wanting to be in the cup. But, you know, in case a legit team shows up.
>Come to IRC to talk about stuff, /4ccg/ is just shitposting
>BANNED FOR VANDALISM!
>Koala and Tuna make the decrypt
>Koala is a important part of the comunity and we are glad we can call his tools ours
but we still hate him and aren't lifting the ban
You're either simple in the head, or you are intentionally misrepresenting events for the purpose of entertainment at the expense of other people.
Neither is something to be particularly proud of.
>ANYONE CAN GET INTO MERIT IF THEY HAVE THE MERIT BY CONTRIBUTING
>SORRY YOU ARE NOT NEEDED IN MERIT BECAUSE [INSERT PONYFAG] ALREADY DOES THAT FIELD
What's the point then? I'm seriously asking this. Just call yourselves /clop2.0/ you stupid fucks.
>Ved makes some shitty videos
>Get in /merit/
>EA makes cute cup things
>Not in /merit/
More like /gay/
I feel the biggest problem with /merit/ is that unless you're friends with somebody in /merit/, you will never hear about what they're currently planning/working on or how they came to a certain conclusion. Usually, they announce a decision, but only bother to explain their rationale behind it if enough people get upset, sometimes not at all.
While that's a bit shabby the worse part is when dick-fellaters actually then try to defend decisions by guessing at what the rationale behind it could be, and putting /merit/ on some "people who actually do stuff" pedestal. The absolute worst part of this comes when /merit/ is then okay with these occurrences.
At some point it became okay and widely accepted that only very few members of the committee making the decision actually look at the 4chan thread, with the excuse being that it's "too fast" or has too much worthless shitposting despite consisting of many page 9 bumps. It's also fairly easy to find posts with notable content in them: They usually get a lot of replies, include a picture, are long, or even all three of these factors.
That's just one example; while having discussion is good, arguing with derogatory high-horsed faggots who just want to defend their perfect "useful vs. useless" view of cup people gets old.
>Boris shits on /u/ every time they play
>Watches a cartoon about lesbians
Many of the 'decisions' made are so basic that there really isn't much to discuss, like dates or technical wiki stuff. Other things are just as arbitrary within /merit/, like in what format exactly Tony wants the exports or rulechanges Boris wants to try.
Then again, there are things that should be discussed way more in the open (as in the thread), like the move to PES16. However, some attempts to do that in the past were so unproductive and driven by the input of only a few people; people that now either are in /merit/ or are talked to through other channels. Still not a good reason to move it entirely behind closed doors, but it just proved to be more efficient.
Finally, most of the people complaining are too lazy until it's too late. It's not like anyone seriously tested PES16 before the move was announced. Blind trust in /merit/ having done all the necessary testing? Come on, nobody trusts /merit/ enough to do that in the first place, and even if you are /merit/ defense force you would have to agree that 2-3 people within /merit/ that have proper manager experience are not enough to find the flaws over a dozen people can find.
There is also this crazy idea that supposedly it's some people's 'job' to do certain things. It isn't. It just happens that these people do the work they feel that is necessary to do. If you don't like how they do it or how much they do, do it yourself and let the result speak for itself instead of just whining about it. This is the attitude that got most people into /merit/ in the first place, so if for some silly reason this is your goal, then that's the best place to start.
it's fun, but its fatal flaw is that it's annoying until you are about 25 episodes in. That's too much nonsense build-up with a main character that you just want to kill during that time. If you somehow got past that point, it gets pretty good, and whatever tumblr sees in that show just isn't there. The lesbian thing is mostly a meme, too. There are no values that get forced down your throat other than 'be fucking responsible'.
>If you don't like how they do it or how much they do, do it yourself and let the result speak for itself instead of just whining about it. This is the attitude that got most people into /merit/ in the first place, so if for some silly reason this is your goal, then that's the best place to start.
And yet our dear friend, the shitposting marsupial, is still banned and very much not in /merit/.
With no one to give enough of a shit to enforce the rules, it doesn't matter. And then even if they do you will have retards like /d/ who will demand to have their deviantart threads.
>TL;DR apologist bullshit
>Other things are just as arbitrary within /merit/, like in what format exactly Tony wants the exports or rulechanges Boris wants to try.
There's lots to discuss about these things.
>like the move to PES16. However, some attempts to do that in the past were so unproductive and driven by the input of only a few people
This is wrong. /merit/ never attempted to talk about PES16 in the thread.
>Finally, most of the people complaining are too lazy until it's too late. It's not like anyone seriously tested PES16 before the move was announced.
That has happened. A lot of people have tested PES16. Think of the outlel b.owl, which, while it was a meme cup, still showed that there definitely are problems.
The thread also contained many images of people posting scoreboards and WebMs of PES16 way before the move was announced. You're talking out of your rear.
>There is also this crazy idea that supposedly it's some people's 'job' to do certain things. It isn't.
If you're the one exclusively hogging a position and calling yourself /merit/, and you don't want to look like a fucking retard, it pretty much is your job. I mean, you can look like a twat and just be a useless shit while spouting your "holier-than-thou" nonsense, nobody'll stop you. It just makes you look like a twat.
>do it yourself and let the result speak for itself instead of just whining about it.
Literally what many people are doing at this very moment, only that /merit/ completely ignores every development in that direction.
>This is the attitude that got most people into /merit/ in the first place
No, being friends with the right people was.
>so if for some silly reason this is your goal, then that's the best place to start.
it isn't for most people. Many people wonder why there even should be a "/merit/". Why close it off like that? What's the point?
The only reason bent is in merit because he wrote a few pages about why the Swiss system is the best choice, pretty much parroting the nonsensical shit other people did and those people really liked that so they took him in and then Tony forced him to do grunt work for him otherwise it would be Goodbye! for him.
What's the fucking point about whining about generals shit in /mlp/? Or any other board for that matter. They're fucking general threads, aren't they? You can filter them. They won't ruin the board or anything.
>make a new board to relieve other boards of their problems/move certain content to a more appropriate place
>no one to give enough of a shit to enforce the rules
good fucking job everyone
Makes the board faster for no reason, thus killing discussions of slower series, and requires you to update your filter list regularly, especially if the tards don't use a proper subject.
Plus, it attracts some strange people who think /u/ is /lgbt/.
There is your answer. DF has great input as well, but it's difficult to work with people who either turned the cup into their own personal playground at one point or hold shitposting/drama above all else. The last thing the cup organization needs is someone with access to the communication channels that just fuel their love for drama and shitposting which they continue to carry to the countless circlejerks they are in.
Some simply didn't want or had the time and cried about "announce the decision already!". Also, the game looked good at the first glance and the issues fixable. We also thought that since we made it clear we might move to PES16, worried people would start making sure we didn't make a terrible mistake. One of the requirements for the deadline was finding flaws in PES16 that were not fixable by rules or available patches. Nobody pointed any out until the deadline passed, probably because everyone trusted Konami more than they would like to admit or because they simply could not be assed to test.
Western Non-canon lesbian things get their threads on /u/ too because muh fanfics/fanart, so it's more than just two or three series.
Examples are Frozen, Homestuck, Kim Possible (wat?), and even MLP for a while.
Because yuri and the Japanese culture surrounding it is different from western lesbian works. Yuri is mostly non-explicit, and the main focus of a work, focusing a lot on relationships between characters. Western lesbian is usually either pandering to some crowd with a last-minute character twist or fanworks of explicit nature.
Anyway, this is pretty off-topic and in the end both sides have their reasons for their opinions; people who like western contents don't want to be mushed in with heterosexual content, and people who like Eastern content don't want to wade through western generals. It's a tough decision to make, and the issue also isn't as big as some people make it out to be.
/d/ mods did try to enforce the no-westen rule after /aco/ was created, then fucktards
see: /d/ current managerbitched about mods being nazis, mods trying to ruin the board or/and mods being new.
>One of the requirements for the deadline was finding flaws in PES16 that were not fixable by rules or available patches. Nobody pointed any out until the deadline passed
Define what a fatal flaw is. You *think* you can fix >too many goals with rule changes and maybe a patch, but you haven't confirmed this yet. It could very well be that PES16 defending is fundamentally borked, and no rule change can fix it in a proper way. And people did test changing stats with varying results and posted about it in here.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/llbttrcv57qluc9/PointsofImprovement1.0.pdf (uploaded on Nov 21st, 2014)
>The last thing the cup organization needs is someone with access to the communication channels that just fuel their love for drama and shitposting which they continue to carry to the countless circlejerks they are in.
I agree. Tony and Ved should be banned already.
>most of the people complaining are too lazy until it's too late. It's not like anyone seriously tested PES16 before the move was announced.
But half the point of the people complains is /merit/ forcing a new untested version of PES not matter what in the first place.
So when /merit/ goes around putting the blame on others for 'not testing', all i hear is pure hypocresy.
We aren't actually considering any format changes less than a month before the cup, right? Tests I've done on 16 look fine, maybe a bit more goals per game but that's not necessarily a bad thing from a viewers perspective.
sadly we are, it's honestly fucking retarded
if anything good comes out of it that doesn't fuck everything up and this somehow comes before winter then I give precisely 0 fucks what happens to stats, it's still retarded imo that people actually want stat changes for the first fucking cup in a new game
>but that's not necessarily a bad thing from a viewers perspective.
Yes it is, because it devalues goals, and the way they are scored is usually through a defensive blunder which makes for less spicy goals.
>We aren't actually considering any format changes less than a month before the cup, right?
I don't know. Has /merit/ said anything about this? Because I haven't heard a single thing indicating format changes, or investigations into format changes from them.
>it devalues goals
You overestimate the average 4cc viewer. People want goalhorns. Ive seen some incredibly well-done tactical matches that end 1-0 or 1-1 and guess what? The chat gets flooded with muh ResidentSleeper.
>Define what a fatal flaw is.
Something people claim that is fatal and nobody can prove to get rid off properly, pretty much. We could argue if PES16 in its current state has such a flaw and maybe our attempts at stats changes turn out to be just damage control. Or, it actually sorts itself out to familiar levels once everyone got settled into the game.
Personally, I think that some occasional spaghetti and PES flipping the tables on what you thought was a silver bullet is fine, even if it drives a manager insane. But at the point at which the viewer feels like it's just glorifying a coin flip even by 4chan standards and we have to question why we still have managing in the first place, then something really is broken.
Right now the plan is to close the gap between medals, as higher stats remove most of the retarded behavior. I would urge people to try 81/90/99 or perhaps even closer numbers. Another alternative would be just maxing Body Balance for everyone, as this might fix the collission spaghetti already. However, I personally don't want to change anything besides the all-XXs stats, because all the testing we can muster up even with half a dozen managers thrown into the mix does not substitute for an actual cup.
As for things that can't be fixed with such simple changes, those will have to wait until Spring. We don't want to push the hard reset button a month after the decision to move to PES16, and just changing the stats a bit to make the games more predictable shouldn't hurt current testing too much (unless you are looking for exploiting the behavior the majority is having issues with).
Half true. We think that games with 8+ goals are too much. I think the sweet spot for a good game is about 5. If you average on 8+ people will get tired of goalhorns and matches will be a few minutes longer thanks to the endless replays.
This. People complain about too many goals, but if there is 20 minutes without one it's ResidentSleeper, and it doesn't only come from the chat, often times it's the streamer or commentator saying it.
Make your damn minds up.
>but if there is 20 minutes without one it's ResidentSleeper, and it doesn't only come from the chat, often times it's the streamer or commentator saying it.
it's almost as if people in stream chat want to shitpost and will do it with any excuse
Speaking of PES 16, did anyone else find it incredibly odd that no one on match day 2 of the Test Cup recorded a 7.5 or higher for MotM? I felt like somehow, the game just decided to dampen everything played on it for that day. Case in point the /y/ - /vp/ game, 85' of nothing then 4 goals in the final 5+ minutes.
Im beyond curious what days 3 and knockouts bring.
/merit/ isn't blaming anyone because they're not communicating at all.
>people are blaming everyone and everything for PES16 because they feel they will have to play Spring.
You're implying that all people who complain are either managers or fans of teams that play in winter. Some people complain because they'd rather not have another 1.12.
it seriously gets old after the 8th goal or so.
>Personally, I think that some occasional spaghetti and PES flipping the tables on what you thought was a silver bullet is fine
And we already had that before. Now we're just shovelling more issues on top.
>We think that games with 8+ goals are too much. I think the sweet spot for a good game is about 5. If you average on 8+ people will get tired of goalhorns and matches will be a few minutes longer thanks to the endless replays.
At the least, the testcup v16 has 4 of 16 matches so far with 8+ goals (one of them came with improper settings (emotions on) and featured nodefense /vg/, another had >/y/ and a super offensive 5-3-2 playing so lel, /ck/'s typical tactics suck dick in 16 (they ran 4-4-2 against /an/ and won, 3-5-2 no medal defenders against /a/ and lost), and fuck if I know what happened to /vp/-/tv/) and average is just a tiny bit over 5 right now
1 in 4 matches with 8+ may be a bit much, but sample size right now is still fucking tiny and almost nobody who's actually testing stat changes of any kind has posted any testing results as of now
But as always, keep >>128665484 in mind. It's not the first time Boris surprised us with rule changes despite other people tellling him it's too last minute even by 4CCC standards. So all the nice (or bad, depending on your view) things we'll try to push for might get blown away in an instant. This is why we have to make strong cases and show off working results. That goes for everyone, regardless which skype chat your are in.
>And we already had that before. Now we're just shovelling more issues on top.
We did, and it's PES; we'll never get rid of it entirely. How much we actually shoveled on top will be more clear in the cup, sadly. 1.12 wasn't so terrible because it fucked managers over, but because the games were painful to watch even if you knew jackshit about PES. We have to fix the latter thing first. The former has a lower priority, sorry.
>and almost nobody who's actually testing stat changes of any kind has posted any testing results as of now
It's almost as if doing comprehensive tests and compile results thereof takes time.
I am well aware that many issues are just there because people are too retarded for PES16 and just make way for such matches. This was also a reason why we thought moving versions for an Elite Cup had its upsides: it's expected that more managers in an elite cup actually put some effort into their exports compared to a Babby cup. However, you can still expect about 10+ teams running absolute crap in the actual cup, and it shouldn't drag down the cup as a whole too much.
>but constant spaghetti will negatively affect how watchable the games are.
This is what we are trying to fix. Jump into the IRC. People like Hessen and PMB keep running test matches, and I am sure getting in touch with them and others will only be helpful for everyone.
>and almost nobody who's actually testing stat changes of any kind has posted any testing results as of now
That's because this thread and the people in it are as worthless and useless as it gets. The only reason I even bother testing a few things is because I don't want the people who cry all the time but don't do anything right now suggest something really bad later on. Also so far gitting gud fixes more issues then stat changes, and then no matter how many games I test I just know people will complain about the sample size.
Honestly, since PES16 as it is doesn't bother me I would rather watch something or have a wank instead of testing all afternoon to please others.
some people refuse to go to irc or a skype circlejerk and only get cup news from /4ccg/, you know
those people include managers who really shouldn't have to rely on a fucking leak to know about possible rule changes possibly two fucking weeks before signups start
I don't think you quite know what constitutes as spoonfeeding. Having actual on-topic discussion in a thread instead of keeping it to a small circle of people that mostly just talk about ponies and CS:GO isn't spoonfeeding.
Then ask the thread. You asked and got a response. Besides, the thread is trash 95% of the time and has been for quite a while.
I didn't ask you to hang around the IRC forever and all day for the off-chance of getting some info that isn't CS:GO, but I told you to go there now for this particular thing as it just happens to be discussed there.
You don't seem to understand what being proactive means.
>Besides, the thread is trash 95% of the time and has been for quite a while.
>I didn't ask you to hang around the IRC forever and all day for the off-chance of getting some info that isn't CS:GO
I hope you see the irony here. If you don't, then I really don't know what to tell you anymore.
There is no irony. All the circlejerks are terrible, this thread included.
I don't get what is so hard to understand about the fact that managers who put the effort into testing things are not forced to share their info in a certain manner. That is up to them. If you don't like that attitude, talk to them and ask them to change it.
Spoonfeeding is catering to people who demand a piece of info that is easy to google or get in any other way. It's pretty obvious that dozens of anonymous viewers of the cup won't cram into IRC just to try to figure out snippets of useful informations from the mountains of ebin meme circlejerking. If you think that using actual 4chan when discussing event called 4chan Cup is too much of chore and totally unneeded, you might as well change the name of it to Leddit League already to not confuse newcomers that might think that it really has something to do with 4chan besides maybe old sentiment.
If managers only share their findings with /merit/ and a specific circlejerk, then that is everyone's business because they are influencing decision-making without anybody who is not part of said circlejerk knowing about anything being said there. Instead of having to acquire a pseudonym and asking for information to then be granted access to information, we should be having a more open dialogue since that's ultimately in the interest of everybody if your interests are in benefiting the cup.
This isn't a test of team tactics, this is testing formats.
The difference is, /4ccg/ is only circlejerk that is 1) actually part of 4chan, 2)reguralry visited by people who don't follow the cup 24/7 and just want something as basic as official announcment from people in charge as wiki is updated once in a blue moon and with obsolete news. But no, 4chan is too scary place for /merit/ to visit, way too many mean bullies that dare to shitpost (and cannot be banned for it) or use trigger words. Only person who has the balls to post here is Sou, but he's around only for providing laughs and entertainment. Why don't just make official and heavily moderated subreddit and tumblr blog and call it a day?
the reply was "go to IRC lol"
also, again, try to be proactive if you want more useful feedback. Somebody had to ask in the thread whether rule changes would be considered to even get to know that different ideas are floating around. That's not how you get more people to test, you dumbass.
be right back, i'll just ram my head straight into a brick wall
maybe then i'll understand why bent wants people who don't go to circlejerks like irc and may be interested in this sort of shit to have to rely on leaks for information about a possible rule change
obviously he doesn't, being from /a/ where even providing most cryptic and ungoogleable info is a basis to call spoonfeeding and ruining muh sekrit club devoids people of basic understanding of human interactions
Obviously people talked about format changes during the invitational because of all the blowouts and shit, but nothing was there to indicate that 1) /merit/ was considering it, 2) anybody else was testing stuff, 3) what they were testing.
>People recognize each other without using trips
most of the time, this is not the case
it's just retards shitposting names based on their arbitrary patterns just to feel smart about calling out someone.
What's so difficult about making a post in this fucking thread? Copy and paste what you wrote in IRC if you must, but even if you hate it, the thread is a better avenue of discussion than IRC - theoretically at least - as it's easier to access and more open. Lots of people browse /4ccg/ without shitposting just for info while avoiding IRC.
please, the rule changes are as possible as whatever Boris feels is appropiate when he decides to tackle the issue. This has been the same shit for over 2 years now and hasn't since. All we are doing now (we being Tony, me, and about half a dozen managers) is testing and finding ways to make the games better again. I pick up the results whereever I can find them and forward them to everyone who I talked to earlier.
All we can hope for is to be able to present a solid package then that Boris agrees on going with. If he sticks with his opinion from a few weeks ago (that was before many people started complaining, iirc) and we run the same rules, then all of this was for nothing, anyway. I said this multiple times now that just because I run around and ask people for their test results does not mean they will get considered the way they should be. So here, I am saying it again.
Nevertheless, I will personally try to push more info into the thread in the future, because I agree it should be more in the open. I was just under the impression that the people who actually cared enough would hunt that info down by themselves, anyway, or are in one of the active circlejerks. But I can't forward info I don't have.
(also, not every post you think is me is actually me)
I'll follow it up with a post soon that reflects all the current info I have.
Pro tip: They don't want to share this information. They only want rule changes to be influenced by people they know, and only want to discuss people that they can make judgements upon based on their nicknames.
Not the people you were replying to but, I don't trust any of you with that because all you people want with that is to bring back godkeepers with 5 saves per game and ruin people with good tactics. I honestly hope Boris keeps true to himself and ignores all of you.
>please, the rule changes are as possible as whatever Boris feels is appropiate when he decides to tackle the issue. This has been the same shit for over 2 years now
yes, and that is bullshit. Long-running bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless.
>All we are doing now (we being Tony, me, and about half a dozen managers) is testing and finding ways to make the games better again.
Good to know /mlp/'s management is on the case and working together to lobby a change of rules according to how they want them, without telling anybody else beforehand.
>I pick up the results whereever I can find them and forward them to everyone who I talked to earlier.
As opposed to using some open platform to share them, so people who have something to contribute don't need to first find out about your sekret testing club, then ask to be included?
>I was just under the impression that the people who actually cared enough would hunt that info down by themselves
How the fuck are they going to do that if they haven't even heard that /merit/ is considering a rule change, you genius?
>All we are doing now (we being Tony, me, and about half a dozen managers) is testing and finding ways to make the games better again
Wait, so you're saying you want to
make PES great again?
Protip: /4ccg/ has burned all its bridges by being a complete garbage dump filled with children who respond to any post of people they don't like with bait, bants or other faggotry no matter what the subject.
You have no one to blame but yourselves.
>Tony, me, and about half a dozen managers
>all you people want with that is to bring back godkeepers with 5 saves per game
Gotta keep /mlp/ afloat I see.
>/merit/ ignores criticism for years
>Gets out of 4chan to their IRC fortress
>Even in the IRC they aren't online 99% of the time
>"Why don't you test instead of bitching?"
From what I've tested, the only part of PES 16 that's obviously bad are the GKs. The defense is not nearly as retarded as people think it is; you see, in PES 15 lots of goals came from the defense being simply outplayed with occasional blunders, while in 16 the blunders happen a little more often - probably because now there's the acrobatic clearance and heading cards, meaning defenders aren't as good at clearing the ball by themselves anymore. As said before in the thread, maybe giving them a slight boost to body balance and MAYBE give them the Clearance card for free could mitigate the blunders.
Meanwhile, the GKs do need some buffs, not enough to save 4 shots per game (as PES 16 has fewer shots on average than 15) but so they are at least capable of saving shots they SHOULD be able to save - there's nothing quite as frustrating as watching a slow, long ball slide in right next to your keeper, knowing he could've had that.
I don't claim to be an important or reliable source of information, nor have I tested as much as some other managers, but this is what I have observed, and I feel we should all share as much info as we can to avoid another disaster on the level of 1.12
So, here you go, this is the amount of stuff I know right now:
- Too many spaghetti moments.
- Games feel too random right now (way more than usual)
- Just a few goals too many (not by as much as people claim if proper tactics are used).
- GKs, except for their rolling into defender shit are probably not as weak as some people make them out to be. It's rather the defense being terrible (they are not well aware of what is happening around them).
- The new collission system is responsible for lots of shit. The stat in question is probably Body Balance.
- Spaghetti goes away for the most part if everyone runs on 99s. As a result, we want to narrow the stat gaps between players.
- Buffing players is favorable over nerfing players to close the gaps.
- The currently proposed stats are 81/90/99. We ask people to run realistic setups with these and even narrower gaps. One point can make a great difference apparently.
- There is the idea to lower injury resistance to have them happen again at least once per cup, but this a different thing.
- Changing a single stat should be avoided (like body balance) as it needs even more testing and it's finetuning on a level we shouldn't bother with yet.
- Changing stats based on position is currently out of question, as it's hard to respond to out of position players.
- All other changes (card limits, heights, ...) should be left untouched, even if they could use some tweaking.
No, from the data I have seen GKs are fine. God-like GKs are terrible and buffing GKs should be the last resort. It has been done too quickly in the past, I agree.
>I can't blame a specific person so I'll just blame everybody, take my ball and go home.
Top /merit/. Grow the fuck up and use the report button if need be. Making the cup less accessible to participate in just because some autists have nothing better to do than shitpost all day is not going to have the effect you desire, unless you value not having to see shitposts higher than the long-term health of the cup.
/4ccg/ is a garbage dump because people have been spouting the "/4ccg/ is a garbage dump" mantra over and over again.
>there's nothing quite as frustrating as watching a slow, long ball slide in right next to your keeper, knowing he could've had that.
But it was okay years ago? When PES14 decided to make 1 keeper a god and the other one retarded. That wasn't broken at all, it's only the new games that are. lol
What you people need is to play without a keeper and build your team expecting just that.
>Protip: /4ccg/ has burned all its bridges...
Yes, i know that story well
LOL /4ccg/ IS AT IT AGAIN!
and then summer13 happen
>Something should be done about mercs
LOL /4ccg/ IS AT IT AGAIN!
and then Orange and Fagfag happen
>There are too many teams, stop adding more your fucks
LOL /4ccg/ IS AT IT AGAIN!
then swiss was nearly forced into the cup
>PES(version) is broken!
LOL /4ccg/ IS AT IT AGAIN!
too many examples to count
Half the fuck from /admin/ are in /merit/ making the exact same mistakes over and over and over. Does it fucking matter they call themselves /admin/, /merit/, /clop/ or /fags/?
What I've seen often is that long passes find their target, outplaying the defence, but that might've just been >meme formations.
In the end, GKs shouldn't be having to do a ton of saves just to keep the team afloat. If GKs really are the issue, then building a strong defensive team should minimise the impact of the GK on GA (ignoring GF since you'll obviously score less by being more defensive). If somebody can test this and sees this happening, then yes, GKs need a buff. If there's little to no difference, then defenders are the issue.
I wouldn't solely compare by shots (on target) numbers, since the position the player was in when he took a shot is very important. A player can be forced to take a bad shot which still is on target; it just directly goes into the GKs hands or is from an odd angle that allows the GK or defenders to block the shot fairly easily.
>What I've seen often is that long passes find their target, outplaying the defence
My sides. Other people can't stop complaining about overshot passes and defenders always finding a way to weasel themselves between the ball and the striker.
I swear people just see something that has always been there and say it's a new game breaking bug if they don't like it.
I tried defensive formations, but in the end it doesn't matter how many defenders you have if they refuse to clear the ball and just fuck around with it in the box until a gold striker dispossesses them and scores.
Keepers are way too slow to react to shots, and saves tend to come more from strikers shooting directly at keepers rather than keepers making an effort to stop a shot. They misjudge situations a lot, and are especially vulnerable during free kicks and corners.
It makes it feel like your tactics and formation don't matter at all, because your defense will find a way to fuck up regardless of what you tell them to do.
>I tried defensive formations, but in the end it doesn't matter how many defenders you have if they refuse to clear the ball and just fuck around with it in the box until a gold striker dispossesses them and scores.
If you want to do it statistically significant, keep track of GAs and then do a box plot with standard deviation.
The point of trying defensive formations is to see if increasing the defence decreases the GA, i.e., whether defenders are actually working. It's not advice for actual gameday tactics, it's a way to test what's broken.
looks good, what exactly did he change?
I changed absolutely nothing from current rules
Those were normal teams I'd consider running in Winter and would not look out of place in a real cup.
<Pony_me_bro>: All your butts are belong to me
<Pony_me_bro>: I didn't withhold testing results from /4ccg/ or anyone else. The stream was public and I made it a Highlight so Twitch wouldn't eat it.
<Pony_me_bro>: If you tell people you are streaming, you are an attentionwhore and should GTFO. If you don't announce it, you are part of a conspiracy to ruin the cup.
<Ordinate>: 1-6-3 for glorious nippon
<Pony_me_bro>: Can't win.
<Pony_me_bro>: The link got posted now, so I guess that resolves whatever problem there may have been.
I don't have an agenda, anon. I just wanted to help.
I almost never trip here and I don't typically announce when I stream stuff. Last time I tried to announce something fun, the 3rd place trophy, a few anons got buttblasted about it. So I took the hint, like any tripfag should if their presence derails a thread.
Have a look at that stream. I think the 80/90/99 games looked the best, but I can see an argument for 81/90/99 for "muh symmetry" reasons.
>Last time I tried to announce something fun, the 3rd place trophy, a few anons got buttblasted about it.
You're a brony with a trip and expect not to get shit on at any opportunity by random people?
Just dropping a note that you're streaming tests and at which channel is enough, don't even need to put on a trip for that.
Oh no, I absolutely expect it. I enjoy the banter the same as any lad. Ask around; I never complain about getting shit flung at me and often stick up for /4ccg/ when someone else is getting flustered over banter/drama/etc.
I specifically streamed the tests so that anyone who wanted could watch them and give their thoughts, rather than me just drafting a report of my own hot opinions. Most of the important testing didn't even involve /mlp/, so there's that level of distancing as well.
Not trying to knock down strawmen or whatever, just offering an explanation of why I didn't announce that I was streaming something. I just assumed that anybody who wanted to watch me stream had already subscribed during the JMC2 and erred on the side of not forcing more attention onto horsefuckery than is absolutely necessary.
I am going to tell you the real story behind Embroidery Anon
>a lil girl lives happily with her family
>they are poor and have little money because of taxes
>but they love each other and that's all they need
>she watches her mother sewing all day
>"mom I wanna desu like you when I grow up"
>"You will be just like me, little angel"
>the little girl smiles
>house gets blown up
>camera turns right
>A loli is holding a bazooka
>EA is a time traveler and likes blowing things
>pun intended bye
>it was a meme born out of /mlp/ getting shit on by ab/mlp/
>it shouldn't say /mlp/ on it
You mirin' our memes, lad? If you spend your own money on a trophy to mail to someone else, you can write whatever you like on it (:^
I'll never understand why they needed to include that one part; I honestly feel that more people would accept the 3rd place trophy if it didn't say that. The only board that would accept it is probably just /mlp/ which at that point its "/mlp/ winning the 3rd place trophy presented by /mlp/"
2bh PMB announcing the stream here is something you should do even though you'll get memed on. There's still people who would like be in the know, the whole loud minority / silent majority deal, etc.
Not that it matters to me because I'm a yurofag so watching live is impossible unless I want to fuck my sleep schedule up.
>Literally use that shit 3rd place trophy created to cause drama
>Blame /4ccg/ because it caused drama
>Despiste /4ccg/ watch every fucking invitational under the sun
>Even the ones streamed by SDA or Doogie
Good, you feel into the forced idea meme of "/4ccg/ is just cancer no worth going there, appul"
As long as it keeps the people here away from decisions it's fine. People here would have came up with something very retarded. I don't think PMBs 3 or 4 and 2 point buffs do anything other than being placebo, but if it stops them from going full retard on the 4 gold all silver system then I'm more than happy with it.
>I just assumed that anybody who wanted to watch me stream had already subscribed during the JMC2
>have notifications allowed on my phone for subscribed twitch channels when they go live
Hey I do some notifications for official shit.
I swear the dates will be announced soon™
Meanwhile I can't understand the ire for /4ccg/ and at the same time I can see it, but I really don't mind being the line out from the top at times. I might be the dumbass of the whole group but that doesn't mean I enjoy being totally useless. Hell if people ask me questions about rules and shit I'll usually do my best to give the best answer possible. Sure it's mostly horsefuckers in there but I at least like to the think that I make it a little easier to get something heard at the top. I mean sure we all enjoy shitposting, foojile posting, and all kinds of other posting but under all that are some good ideas. Just like with anything on 4chan you gotta waddle through a bunch of shit to find the small gems.
Are any of you even watching these invitationals that you all asked for? Boris was the only one in /merit/ to show up during the JMC2 and it was to say "I haven't been watching." None of you have shown up during V16 that I can tell. What gives?
Boris is mostly irrelevant in this because Tony, BGP and PMB make the rule suggestions and they were there for the JMC2 (obviously). From what I can tell BGP and PMB were there for V16 too.
I'll be honest, I haven't seen shit since Kurismasu Cup but this is mostly because I've been busy with a lot of stuff as of late. I can't speak on behalf of the others but that's just my end of it.
I had to stay up late last night so I could fart an untested export today
That doesn't make the part about
>Tony, BGP and PMB make the rule suggestions
any less accurate. Most of merit doesn't touch PES aside from streaming and coding pony videos into it. The people who matter are those 3 I listed even if only one of them is
officiallypart of merit.
Point is that the eyes of merit were there so the invitationals were not in vain.
DF loves tactics. Good tactics get him hard just as much as Smugleaf's anus.
Height abuse made tactics virtually irrelevant unless two super-tall teams were going at it, so DF called it anti-football.
Serious question here
Has anyone checked to see if and how pitch conditions affect gameplay? I noticed that players tend to randomly slip now and with far greater frequency when it's raining. Also, since overshot passes seem to be a common issue, wouldn't increasing the length of grass help mitigate it?
DF doesn't like good tactics. He likes his own tactics and those of the people who are his underlings, everyone else is bad according to him.
Probably. They did advertise it as such.
pitch conditions are standardized though, it's in the official ruleset and everything. just test on these.
I know, but sometimes the streamers end up enabling >rain which is the usual reason for those glitched stadiums, except now it can affect gameplay as well. Plus, I thought that different pitch conditions might help with some of the issues people are having with the game.
Who /still not made their export/ here?
Fuck this Gamma DLC pish, what does it even do?
Viewers literally would not notice whether or not it was raining.
>the same team will win every time
then why has only one team ever won two elite cups? parity in 4cc is incredibly extreme; not much you need to do to increase that.
just fuck my 45+ up, and multiply it by 2
I'd have been fine with anyone in the fucking group advancing except /d/
the scariest part is that group could hypothetically happen again if /e/ don't somehow into winter because they're pot 3, /w/ are top of pot 4, and /v/ are deep in pot 5
At the very least I watch all of the invitationals I can.
I'm starting to think that DF says a different team is good in every circlejerk just to make us run around like chickens trying to work out what is and isn't good because the shop odds never reflect what /4ccg/ says is DF's opinions.
couldn't be further from the truth
DF left /ag/ during dragongate and wasn't allowed back. neo-/ag/ started over a year later when Dawgamus dumped all of his contacts into a chat for god knows why, people just stayed. DF is back in /ag/ now I think.
<Hessen> I might add slavsquat back in for A FUCKING LEAF because I like slavsquat
<anon_278> what do you have against canada
<Hessen> Its just next on the chopping block
<Hessen> Interestingly Polandball is next. Quite a few people don't like him no more
From silver to nearly cut, how far Bolan has fallen
desu /merit/ is a cancer for both /mlp/ and the cup.
We wouldn't have shitposters from /foe/ or Fan Club had /merit/ kept its hands out of shit like /mlp/ league or testing to ensure /mlp/ goes through to finals rigged.
/mlp/ would only be like /sp/ without the circlejerk that's /merit/: absolutely vocal but shit.
>the same people who signed the petition to get rid of mercs are the same people who defend Lark despite being a self-admitted merc who at first lied about it and now does the same with a different team
>they do it because he's in their circlejerk
Following >>128671829, I extended RigIt to support batch editing medal stats across the whole Edit file.
Have fun testing and please share results. Use only teams that are already properly set up and have no PLACEHOLDER players.
Also, going above 99 does not seem to have any effect.
>change something about PES16 it's broken as fuck REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>these are the changes? I don't care let's use default shit for Winter and only change it for Spring
And you wonder why they ignore this place.
Oh you reminded me, I'm the >32 bit anon from the other day, I can't still get it to work.
The program opens fine, but when I try to load the save file it crashes. My guess it's because it uses the decrypter and encrypter that Tunabrain and Koala made and those are still written for 64 bit.
Not asking for a fix or anything, I'll just use Linux, but I thought you migh want to know
I thought I compiled the decrypter with 32bit... I also reinstalled pyqt5, Python 3.4, and py2exe with their respective 32bit versions.
However, perhaps some DLLs pes2exe pulls are 64bit regardless. You can try using the decrypter from commandline to see if that is really the issue. I doubt it is, though.
Thanks for getting back to me in any case.
Apparently /biz/'s export is unable to load because data is from a different version.
Some teams don't have aesthetic exports despite smugleaf making a esay to follow page for aesthetic exports and posting the link in the thread. Top effort.