ROGUELIKE GENERAL - /rlg/

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Ohayou /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets play our best today!

>>128415724
>>128320232
>>128320232

>not putting last thread's YAAP in the OP

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Totally worth ALL OF MY *HEALING*

FUCK YOU MUM

What combo gets the largest natural speed growth in PCB? I want to be sanic

>>128415724
>ps we need drawfags

what do we need them to draw?

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>>128415957
>permanently cursed
>already have time resistance because demeter demigod
>can't use jewel of judgement for *healing* grind
Yeah, whatever.

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>>128416089
Made a shitty amulet out of it.

Ive played enough for today.

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Remember that damaging brand choice is literally irrelevant in a 3-rune game, unless it's venom.

>>128416008
Probably Hasty Ninja, either Klackon, Sprite, Centaur, or Demigod of Hermes.

Hasty is +2 right off the bat, Ninja is +3 and an extra +1 per 10 levels, and any of those races also gets +1 speed per 10 levels.

That's only +15 speed by level 50, though.
Ninja is only a total +8 so classes with temporary +10 speed buffs can become temporarily faster.

And if you really want to reach maximum speed you can play a monster race with lots of ring slots, or maybe grind for a billion boots of speed on a centipede.

>>128416325
Yeah IIRC reforging into lights is not a good idea cause it cuts the power in half or something like that

>>128417802
Reforging always cuts the power in half.

>>128417948
back in the good days before 3.5 you could reforge up to 500.000 $ worth of useless artefacts, which gave you 250 K reforges.

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Yeaaaaah
Lets forget about going downstair on this floor

>>128418657
eat your fucking lembas

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>>128415930
Ohayou! :3

>>128419426
I cant I'm dead. Way too much orcs and Gorgol chilling around and one bumped into me

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>ROGUELIKE GENERAL
unnecessary caps
>pls we need drawfags
it would be good, but it's not an OP-worthy request.
Also we don't "need".
>no sil OP win

0/10 apply yourself.

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>FAAngband
Anyone played it?
This game has skills apparently? Not unlike ToME2 in a way, I guess.

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>>128420708
Kek

>>128420708
more like fagband amIrite

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http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Category:Obsolete_articles

pick one thing to add back into stable

hard mode: change one thing about the feature to make it more interesting

>>128421185
Item destruction.
It happens 100% of the time

>>128421185
Stalkers, including the book and spells.

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>>128420898
lmao

>>128421185
Fun

>>128421185
potion of gain dex/str/int

the effect is permanent instead of a mutation

>>128421185
Lehudib's Crystal Spear (the artifact)

Now has a chance, based on throwing, to explode into shrapnel when it hits a foe. The spear is not damaged and returns per usual.

Why was this even removed?

>>128421185
>http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Category:Obsolete_articles
half the things removed dont even show up there >_>

What's the tankiest combination in the game for a character?

I'm on Stone Soup.

>>128422294
halfling / anything that can wear lots of armor
not even kidding

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>>128422236
>>_>
you're doing this on purpose aren't you

>>128422294
MuCK

>>128422294
Halfling, Merfolk, Mummy, Demonspawn(potentially), or Gargoyle all have great tanking potential.
Though if you are a beginner, I would recommend Merfolk or Gargoyle out of those.

>>128422385
:^)

>>128422294
Troll gives you the largest HP pool and regeneration, but it takes some gear to actually become the tankiest dude in DCSS.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO CURSE MY BAG OF HOLDING
WHY
THE FUCKING WIZARD APPEARED
CASTED DOUBLE TROUBLE
AND THEN CURSED MY SHIT TWICE IN A FUCKING ROW
AND BOTH OF THE TIMES IT TARGETED MY BAG
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I HAD TO DROP THAT SHIT
AND NOW I CAN'T EVEN PICK IT UP WHILE NAKED
ALL MY SHIT IS IN THERE
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO UNCURSE IT IF I CAN'T PICK IT UP FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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>crystal plate armor on the first fucking floor

Give me some Sil tips for slightly past early game - I've read the pastebin.

Now that 1.3 is out I can make it past Orc Warriors to around 250-300 before I get whacked.

What are the best abilities to buy in each category? I got a feeling half of them aren't very useful and some are must-picks.

>>128424562
You should pump melee and evasion early on. You could get charge or sprint for starting

Also I feel bad I just splatted a stealth char just after finding the short sword of Amrod that give bonus to stealth

>>128424562
Google silstreamer on youtube. He has quite a few good videos of commentary on other people's Sil runs and explains why they do a lot of what they do.

As anon said, a good strategy is to just level melee/EV early.

Dodging/Flanking is a really easy to use pair of abilities that makes combat positioning much easier and lets you crowdclear like crazy.

>>128424683
>>128424860
Any use for Song early on in the game? Out of my 15 games or so in Sil, I never ever got to touch it

>>128424562
How do you end up dying?

>>128424075
IT EVEN DESTROYED MY FROSTBRAND REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
THE FUCK DO I DO

>>128425087
I usually get 5 Song around 600 ft or so for Song of Trees and then don't touch it until the end game for Slaying/Sharpness. You don't need to worry about it until late midgame.

>>128425535
You can pick up your bag without it triggering, dumb dumb.
You didn't put your scroll of remove curse and potions of holy water in the bag of holding right anon
They're in an oilsack right anon
Nobody would be that stupid right anon

>>128425535
Curl up and cry

>>128425489
>>128425489
Really amateur mistake - was distracted with a pack of Wargs and a bunch of Easterlings sealed off my exits

What game is it in this post in the last topic?
>>128326768

I guessing maybe it's a game called Quest 3? But that's so generic I can't get a specific information when using Google Search

>>128426167
Quest for the Unicorn.
I think even the people here who are playing it hate it.

>>128424562

dodging, flanking, melee, evasion

>>128426337
So I take it Sil isn't quite the RL with a wide variety of builds

>>128425682
Read >>128424075, i can't pick it up even while naked
Maybe throwing holy water at it will work?
>Implying i'd find an oilskin without resorting to massive polypiling

>>128426816

eh, it's not that surprising that you should have a reliable way to kill dudes (melee or archery with melee support - with defenses strong enough to survive the most noble 1v1 or 2v1 battle) or have a way to avoid dudes (overwhelming stealth with singing support)


If you have neither then I dont know what you expect to do when something remotely dangerous spots you...

>>128426816
It has a wide variety.

It's just that for beginners, the easiest method is brute force killdudes.

>>128426167
Quest of the unicorn
It's an incredible game with lots of history and items and an interesting location system but holy shit
it's so bad to play
so so bad
it's like the dev made it like this on purpose BUT THERE ARE SO MANY INTERESTING THINGS

basically you just want to play for the loot drops.

>>128426915
Well that didn't work, but at least i managed to remove enough stuff from it to be able to lift it and bless it again
Still mad about losing frostbrand, who the hell thought item curses were fun

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That's a lot of orcs.
Lagduf and Azog have decided to join forces against me.

Does throwing potions in Sil do anything?

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Ooooh I want it! I hope it's something good.

>>128428324
The manual! Read the manual! It's one of the best instruction documents ever written for a videogame! It might even be better than Sil itself!
Read the manual!

!!!!

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>>128428768
Oh well, I was hoping for some magical artefact. More light is always good I guess.

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>>128414332

i'm disappoint in sil

this game randomly put me into an impossible situation which roguelikes shouldn't do

poor girl was so young, just 64 y.o... she ate everything, quaffed everything and died searching the walls [by resting near them as i gather it should work] till the last breath... were she escape (and find food) at the last moments, the minimal depth of 700 (btw it means that this depth counter is turn-bound not exp-bound) would effectively kill her anyway

also, how do you remove curse in sil except by a certain ability?

>>128429784
Did you try to bash or tunnel into the walls?
Tunneling into a secret door automatically detects it in my experience.

>>128429784
Well next time try to put some points in perception.

>>128428919
Well there's nothing so Ill assume it doesnt do anything til I find a worm to test it

All this drain. I feel like this game wasn't really designed with ironman_down in mind.

>>128422294
>nobody answered Vine Stalker Fighter
Don't let the small HP pool fool you, the intrinsic spirit shield and ridiculous regeneration more than makes up for it. Once you get plate and fill your aux slots you'll become pic related, doubling as wolverine between fights.

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>>128431007
Whoops.

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>>128431089
Forgot the picture

>>128429784
>also, how do you remove curse in sil except by a certain ability?

staff of sanctity

>>128430349
tunnelling needs a mattock or something, baching doesn't work if you didn't find a door

>>128430382
i tried a random build found on this thread which suggested to take evasion and dodge and didn't bother with perception -_-

>>128431364
eh... well ty

>>128431881
How did you fall down there anyway?

Well now you know that if you have more than enough melee/evasion you can save some XP to invest in utility!

>>128431881
>didn't bother with perception

it's a good idea to drop some points into that

you can get three levels in it for just 600xp, and three grace brings that to six, which is good enough and gets you access to keen senses

perception and will are sort of like the secondary attack and defense skills respectively, and you should be pumping those up slowly in addition to melee and evasion, even if it's only a few points here and there

What exactly do I need to get a silmaril as a stealth dude? Song of sharpness right? But how high should my song skill be?

>>128432592
song of sneakyness
sing it to the top of your lungs, your foes will be incredibly confused at a human screaming "I AM SO SNEAKY, A SNEAKY SNEAKY THIEF, NOBODY CAN SEE ME I'M A SNEAKY SNEAKY THIEF"

>>128432592
angrist shows up in almost every game

use it to stab morgoth in the jewels

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>You wet yourself.

>>128433490
Such lewdity...

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>>128433332
Almost there anon
And you are right.
Now I need to make some sneaky plan to get it though

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>>128433490

>>128433716
>get on the fursuit.png

>>128433697
>+4, [1-1]

You're a crazy nigger.

>>128433697
What happens if use exchange place on a sleeping monster? I dont want to find out and die just after

>>128433937
RTF Sil M

>>128434224
>Alert enemies get a free attack on you unless they are confused or mindless
That doesnt tell me if it will wake the dragon

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>>128433697
All right I didnt try exchange place, I realized that he doesnt have a breath so I just lured him and with my boots of speed I was able to grab Angrist before he came back to sleep on his treasures

>>128433697
For a stealthy sil win you need the song that puts things to sleep. If you sing it well enough, morgoth will fall to sleep and the crown will fall off his head so you can hit it with Angrist and take a sil.

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>>128434989
Yeah I know the basic for it, I already have Lorien. So with Angrist I have everything I need? Any advice on where I should I put my xp now? My previous best attempts ended at 850 ft

>>128435281
dumping a few points into melee wouldn't hurt

>>128435281
I'm not sure how good your singing needs to be to pull it off. Normally characters want a bunch more will to avoid Morgoth's slowing song, not sure if that will matter for this character or not since I haven't personally run or watched a stealth win yet...I'm not sure if Morgy will wake up for the chase during the ascent singing at you. But if he does wake up, you need 28 will (more likely 18 + FA or 8 + double FA) to be immune to his slowing song.

Also a staff of revelations would be ideal to help the ascent though it's not actually necessary.

You could try asking for advice in the ##sil irc channel, they have some much more experienced players. Especially if you post a chardump on oook for them to look at and then ask ##sil to look at it and advise.

>>128435616
>oook
is that a discworld librarian reference

>>128435616
Well I just found a staff of revelation. I will take a look at the silstreamer vids, to see what happen in the throne room and after

>>128435746
I don't think so but maybe. The main domain is a czech Ren-faire-esque photographer's site (oook.cz) who also happens to love Angband and administrates the forums (angband.oook.cz)

>>128435832
absolutego seems to be awake and in IRC so if you want to ask he's a good person to answer, possibly the best Sil player in the world.

>>128435932
>possibly the best Sil player in the world.
I wonder what it feels like to be the best player in the world at a specific roguelike

I know I'm the best player in the world at incavead

>>128415724
nethack bingo:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/bingo.html

>>128436041
*but it's not really that much considering I'm almost the only guy who plays it

>Most active player: Anon, with 198 games played.
>Most achievements achieved: Anon

I wish people would play that more honestly
it was a fun game

bitch nigga sage fucked me in the ass and stole my top win
sage is really good

I haven't played it in almost a year

>The Ring's current status, monitored online:
>Found somewhere on dungeon level 8 (follow a tunnel due north-west). It has been there since 27/2/2015, 03:18:50.

yep, one year

>>128436350
yeah basil's breddy good at sil too, but absolutego has twice as many edain wins as him on the ladder

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I mean I'm having fun, but I really could use a stat restore potion. I'm actually encumbered by my gear which should really never happen to a warrior who isn't lugging around platemails.

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it's great to read these messages in the overworld.

>>128436768
ah ah ah ah stayin aliiiiiiive

>>128436773
nice messages

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Remind me, how install NetHack on PSP?

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#fuckcurses #rubberchickenstronk #ascendingwithmorethan10unusedwishes

>>128437178
congrats again nethackphonanon

I assume that was you raging about the bag being cursed? That was some nice white-hot putrescent bile that was.

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Oh god I'm dying here

It's nice to come back

>>128437178
good job

>>128437178
#carpaltunnel

Congratulations

>>128437369
Oh you have no idea, that shit ruined my lunch
>>128437375
>>128437391
Thanks

Outside of fighting Archers, what are the situation where I should wear Heavier Armor (like a Mail Corslet) vs regular Leather in Sil?

>>128437178
say that's a pretty big screen

are you playing on a tablet

>>128437669
It's just quality /rlg/ cropping

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Well I think I'll stop for now. This is getting pretty stressful- still no restoration.
I've managed to become effectively polymorphed from a mighty high elven warrior to a trashy edain tourist.

It's real survival though, I never though I would be so glad to have a scant 2 scrolls of teleport and a few potions of speed. Ironman kinda works in FAAngand since there are so many dungeons which you can descend in order in Hybrid mode.

>>128437178
>Akabur

>>128438030
pls no bully, after a while i just run out of names

>>128438128
You shouldn't name your characters Akabur if you're actually going to finish a game. :^)

How do you handle unidentified potions and scrolls? I just quaff and read them as I find them.

>>128438781
Never has a question been so which game as this.

Also I can't think of a single roguelike where that is an optimal ID strategy.

>>128421185
Gas trap

It also blocks one of the exits to a room/corridor

>>128438182
Ayyy
I thought princess trainer was complete, even if some stuff was not added because reasons, or am i wrong?

>>128438927
In DCSS or maybe Angband it's not the worst thing you can do

In a lot of other games it will really ruin your day

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oh hey
these guys are new

Int or dex for a demigod transmuter?

Okay so I started PCB today, and there are few things aren't in the help files.
How do I get past rubble and walls with treasure? (tried searching around them for hidden doors as the newbie guide says but to no avail)
Do I walk slower while searching?
Can I make food out of monster corpses or I just have to rely on what I buy/find?
I can't read scrolls, is that because I'm a dumb berserker or can I learn that later on?

>>128439306
So how do you do it. I'm in dcss, and that's how I've been playing thus far.

The worst thing that happened was some bad mutation.

>>128439306
In DCSS you want to read-ID Identify scrolls, then ID your panic button consumables before read-IDing anything else if possible and only read-ID stacks in case you get into shit.

In Angband you get so much ID from scrolls, staves, or other sources that use-ID is almost unheard-of.

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All right, Ill stop looking for loot and go down. I find the deeper parts are actually easier than the middle for a stealthy build, because I usually die to the numerous orc patrols. This one had to dive a shaft 2 times so she is lucky.

>>128439556
Berserkers in PCB can't use any devices except potions. This includes scrolls.
You buy food. You can also buy dinner at the inn. It's cheap.
Just use the wait key to search.
Ctrl+Direction burrows through walls. Since you are a zerker you can probably burrow pretty fast.

>>128439642
Good luck mate.
I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I think stealing the Sil breaks tension, so make sure that things are asleep on your escape route. Probably all of that XP can go into song.

>>128439793
Okay, thanks.

>>128439610
Oh I know. It's just a not-completely-terrible gamble for impatient people as opposed to Russian roulette like Nethack.

>>128438030
FAAngband seems pretty cool. I'll give it a whirl sometime.
I like how it adjusted the screen size and popped the windows automatically. I basically don't have to do anything to set it up, it's nice.

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>>128439642
Im scared, please don't notice me

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>>128440267
Im listening to the Perfect Dark ost during this game

>>128437178
Congratulations, anon.
>>128437391
kek
>>128437375
Oh man it's been a while hasn't it?

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>>128440450
And now is a good time to run away

>>128437178
>and thusly, mobileanon was freed from the military bunker, having fulfilled his government contract

>>128440874
The semi-canonical sil-taking is such a good image.

>>128440874
>not even chugging !dex to be 100% sure he won't wake up

absolute madman

>>128441020
hasn't he won like a bunch of times already

>>128433490
lolwhat

>>128439556
The search mode takes twice as long as normal walking. What it's really doing is spending a turn to use the 's'earch command after each step.

>>128440874
FLY YOU FOOL
alternative, RUN! TAKE THE SIL AND RUN!

>>128422294
DD (for racial damage reduction) of quazlel for F R E E sh and immunity to non magic ranged attacks plus contextual protection (more ac when being tabbed, element resist when being damaged by elements)

hill orc can go beogh that gives sh and ac bonus but no idea how much big can make you

I found a 55 gallon drum in cataclysm How can i get it back to my base for storing water in? Or is it just stuck in place

>>128441331
you can install it to a frame with a welder and grab the "vehicle" but that's it

can't roll items in catashit

>>128433716
>The zombie scientist opens its coat, and a manhack flies out

lolwhat #2

>>128441423
That sucks. I guess i could set up my base inside the sewage treatment plant to make use of it if I made the makeshift funnels for water. Seems like i can find someplace better though

>>128439556
use the tunnel command to dig through rubble or rock or veins of treasure. Harder material takes more turns to dig through or may be impossible to dig, depending on your strength and the tunelling or sharpness level of whatever you're wielding to dig with

?k should bring you to the commands list. I use the roguelike_mode keyset option and don't remember what the standard dig command key is.

>>128441423
>>128441331
I thought you could move it tile by tile through advanced inventory.

>>128441704
sure, but that is tedious as fuck and not worth it when you're at least one maptile away from your base.

>>128441331
Just carry it in your hands. Empty it first, if it's too heavy. You can set up a funnel on top of it back home, for near-infinite water.

>>128439556
>Can I make food out of monster corpses or I just have to rely on what I buy/find?

if you play monster demon you are forced to eat humanoid corpses... the tavern and the grocery shop won't sell you *that* meal!

some races also eat flasks of oil or wand charges

ordinary food isn't a problem at all, it's dirt cheap and plenty, you just regularly eat in the tavern and keep some snacks for traveling... quaffing potions give some nutrition if you manage to screw it up and end in the wilderness without food

on a side note, no teleport will likely end your zerker killed... play warrior for an easy all rounded melee class

>>128439556
Zerkers are bad to learn how to play the game, they lose mileage pretty fast. Play an android rune knight instead, which is an incredibly overpowered and exploity combo that still isn't enough to make you win the game though, the guide is at the bottom the poschengband pasta

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I've sure had luck with jewelry this run.

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>>128440874
Holy shit I may die here if they dont hurry the fuck up to the stairs

>>128438927
>Also I can't think of a single roguelike where that is an optimal ID strategy

use-id is very common in dcss

read-id till you find an id scroll is the go-to strategy in adom

use-id seems pretty common in sil too (btw, does identifying items with lore master give you exp?)

>>128442839
those stats look too good for an edain

>>128442279
>>128442540
I don't think recommending a specific class for Poschengband newbies is a great idea, since it's more important to just pick what looks fun for you. If he's enjoying Berserker then more power to him. Part of why the game is so fun is that it has a billion class/races to pick from.

Also starting with rune knight exploit is a fucking terrible idea. You're satan.

>>128442970
>Also starting with rune knight exploit is a fucking terrible idea
wrong
it is the objectively most fun way of playing PCB

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>>128442839
Praise Eru

>>128442948
This is an elf thats why, I put my pride aside cause I wanted a win

desu reaching lvl 50 isn't the hard part of poschengband, adroid or not (also isn't filling all the resistance holes a royal pain for an android)

killing the snake is the hard part

i really hate it when the roguelike makes a very hard boss fight as the only means to win the game

>>128442939
Use-id happens in most roguelikes, but "just picking them up and using them as [you] find them" is not ideal in pretty much every one.

Yes, loremaster gives XP. If you want to speedrun a morgoth kill- for example, you will probably take loremaster since it's actually the fastest way to gain XP.

>>128442948
I think he's a Finarfin.

>>128443073
You're literally wrong.

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>>128443203
>isn't filling all the resistance holes a royal pain for an android)
indra is an almost guaranteed drop.

And yeah, PCB would be a lot more fun if the amulet of stopsummoningmonsters was 100 times more common because summonerssummoningsummoners is just whack

>>128443348
yes anon, you are.

>>128439579
in dcss read id is 100% safe, the only scrolls that can fuck you are torment and vulnerability but are completely harmless without enemies around so you just have to wait out their effects

quaff id can be annoying because of mutations and pot of degeneration (if you're a caster getting a int drop or caster unfriendly mutation, tabbers won't notice stats drop ever unless it's something massive as -10 that i think can't happen with a single degen potion)

equip id once you have remove curse scrolls ranges from safe (cursed -X stuff) to annoying (drain on unequip in mid/late game) and chance of rape (chance of banish on unequip)

however when you reach the point where drain can be an issue and you'd be mad to splat you'll be sitting on tons of identify scrolls so there will be no risk

Lugonu really makes the early game easier.
>even easier to please than trog
>piety decay? What piety decay?
>first three abilities are get-out-of-Abyss free card, Unlimited Blink Works and "I win" button against all early enemies

In the PosChengBand pastebin, does "Stronghold" refer to the dungeon right in the middle of the starting town named "Angband"?

>>128443237
>Yes, loremaster gives XP
that's very nice, ty

how much melee and evasion is good to have at something like 400' - 700' - 1000' depths?

>>128444132
did you start it with no wilderness or something

>>128444219
I think so. Is that bad?

>>128444009
Hurtblink is really bad.

>>128443179

anon, did you get out?

>>128444532
What is really bad about a guaranteed, non-consumable escape button? The small mana cost and the max 4 damage it inflicts?

>>128444925
Probably the fact that it's not guaranteed at all? I mean, it's occasionally useful, but I feel you're overvaluing it a lot.

>>128444458
It means most of the advice in the short pasta is invalid, since the pasta assumes you are playing with wilderness on.

The advice about consumables to carry with you still stands, but you can't follow the walkthrough-style guide, since you don't have any of those dungeons to quest to.

>>128444458
Angband is the only dungeon in no-wilderness mode. Which means your warg quest will be on Angband 5, not in Stronghold (which doesn't exist for you)

>>128441854
>>128441782
OK I got it back to base but apparently sewage plants are very radioactive. I wore a cleansuit but im still mutating.

if i make a "dungeon" in fortress mode, is there a way to place beasts and shit inside or will everything just die when abandoning

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>>128444908
Just resumed and reached the surface, the last levels my staff of revelation was empty and it was really scary with Morgoth on my back

>>128445608
talking about dwarf fortress, i always wanted to create a "main dungeon" for other anons to explore in adventure mode but i have no idea how to put shit inside aside from mechanized traps, openings and whatever

>>128445608
>>>/dfg/
we don't really know anything about dwarf fortress sorry

>>128445005
How is it not guaranteed? It's a god power, with a very low fail chance to boot.

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watching hjklyubn termcasting retaking the lead of the poschengband christmas competition, trying to fight santa, when suddenly...

He's still alive, though he had to abandon the gear. Fortunately for him, he's already got the most uniques killed, though it seems like there's some bug mis-sorting him on the ladder as 2nd place, which should get sorted out.

Nice try by Exo (I think from /rlg) to try and snipe the lead with posting a first-place chardump a few days ago for the first time, with 18 hours played. Verrrrry dishonoraburu that was, denying the information to the other contenders. Well, Exo died and it looks like rwbarton should take this comp unless somebody else pulls a similar snipe.

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>>128445702
Well uh that last level was underwhelming, only things in my way were traps.

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First Sil win! Pretty standard melee build. I would have tried for a second silmaril but 0 herbs of rage when I got to the throne room so slaying only got to around +11 and I just went for the win.

>>128445859
It's not guaranteed to put you out of danger. It's a blink. It won't save you from ranged monsters (except maybe it will, but it's really random). It can land you next to a melee enemy you were trying to run away from. It can land you further in the unexplored territory. It probably won't help vs. ranged enemies. It damages you, which is not a positive thing, yes.

>>128445993
whoo, nice!
Going for multiple sils can be risky if you don't have multiple good weapons. You are guaranteed to have your weapon shatter while freeing either the 2nd or 3rd sil (it's random)

>>128445993
>>128445961
Congratulations, Shinjis.

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>>128445961
>>128445993
Where's the 3rd Silmaril /rlg/?

>>128446000
"It doesn't always work as intended" doesn't really count as bad in my books when it's practically free, and very few characters give a shit about 1-4 HP past the very early levels, but fine.

>>128445961
>>128445993
>two /rlg/ Sil wins within a minute
Based. Now that you've fulfilled your oaths, are you bad enough dudes to give that oversized fucker the smackdown?

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>>128445927
>He's still alive, though he had to abandon the gear.
>all that

A fate worse that death

>>128446364
>two

>>128445993
>>128446231
Omedetou!

>>128446509
Oh wait they really are two

>>128446509
>>128446705
Pay attention, ya hack.

I thought iodine tablets in Cataclysm could be used to clean water. Then my character just swallowed it instead.

>>128446231
nice, good job to you as well

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We really need a /rlg/ version of this.

>>128446328
I wasn't the guy calling it "really bad", for what it's worth. I just find it very situational. I remember once it saved me after I misplayed around a band of gnolls on like D:2, so it was nice. Then again, it could've just landed me next to them, but it didn't!

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>>128447081

>>128447081
I've made that joke exactly three times since thinking about it about a year or two ago, I knew I couldn't be the only one.

>>128447308
>defun

sounds fitting

>>128445961
>>128445993

holy shit. Congratulations anons


I need to get in on this Sil action.

>>128446231
>>128445993
are you folks going to post to the ladder? You should! I know the devs love seeing people posting their game, as do the site regulars.

You don't need to make a forum account to do it, but if you choose to submit it with an email instead of an account, be forewarned that the email is made public in place of your username.

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>>128445927
santa challenge? oh, i wish i knew i could participate...

p.s. just found this screen in my old folder

>>128445608
You can put beasts inside but their positions will be randomized in adventure mode.

In years of playing Crawl, I had never used a disc of storms until now.

I feel like I've discovered squeezable ketchup.

>>128448342
hah nice shot

Yeah it was a santa comp. It was fairly fun, though there was a bug. To make the comp savefile, the comp organizer had to debug-mode the character up to high enough level to wear the corpse, then debug-mode him back to level 1. But he kept the level ~45 experience penalty or whatever so leveling up was stupidly annoying.

Fortunately this comp was evaluated by uniques killed (if nobody won the game that is), so the level penalty was less important. It's still why I stopped after my first session of play though. There's enough 30-50 exp grind in PCB without starting with those penalties at level 1.

>>128446328
You do realize the most common spell in the game is also called 'blink', doesn't cost health, and takes 5 seconds of training to get to low fail rate?

Unless you're playing a formicid or wearing CPA with 5 int, Lugonu's blink is not praiseworthy.

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Apparently I can throw silver chariot just far enough to hit this thing out of his sight range. I'm not sure why, considering it is the heaviest of my two rapiers, but who knows.

>>128449576
i thought you meant an actual silver chariot and assumed you were talking about df adventure

>>128449737
same

knowing PCB, i wouldnt have been surprised if he was actually throwing a chariot at enemies

>>128443360
or if, you know, they gave summoners more interesting spells

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Removing this in Zul won't remove my Demigod Mut, right?

>>128450769
correct, your demigod mut will stay, and if you're lucky personality the white aura will stay as well (because those have mut_lock)

>>128445961
>>128445993
Congrats!
>>128447967
>I need to get in on this Sil action.
Same

>>128448745
kek

>>128450659
*bands simply cannot have interesting abilities without completely changing the core mechanics a la Sil. There's just too much chaff.

>>128433332
Is this true
How good is angrist? Do I have to ID every fucking dagger or what?
I had a stealth archer build that took on the order of 100 tries (while using all my stat buff potions) to get the first sil off with a greatsword of melee humans (because the short sword I was using was not doing nearly enough damage), and the entire time Morgoth used ESP to kill my stealth, dug through walls and slowed me to fuck up my sprinting pillar dancing, and locked doors (which I had to burst with a freedom staff).

>>128451796
Angrist is not an OP weapon, but it has the sharpness property that lets it pierce armor. That's very useful in general, and specifically very useful when silcutting because of how thick the crown armor is.

To cut a sil, you need to do damage against [+0, 15d4] defenses for the first Sil, 25d4 for the second, and 30d4 for the 3rd. On either the 2nd or 3rd sil, your wielded weapon will break.

>>128452096
>sharpness

it has super sharpness

100% armour bypass

>>128452340
yeah good catch, forgot it was sharpness++ and not just sharpness

>>128421185
Twisted resurrection.

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=AGOW
holy kek
>official page redirects to the wiki entry

>>128454238
that's pretty amusing

Hey /rlg/ what music do you guys listen to while playing whatever it is that you play. Got any suggestions?

>>128456547
I play in silence generally, sometimes with one or more twitch streams playing but often not...just (silent, of course) termcast streams of other roguelike players open.

>>128456547
I record myself moaning and farting and then play it backwards on a constant loop.

>>128456547
The sweet sweet sound of you taking this question to /mu/ or /v/.

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No gloves, unfortunately. If they benefit throwing, this would be one of the characters that could use them.

>>128456547
the sound of my computer's fans and the clickety clack of my keyboard. Would you listen to music while playing chess?

>>128456879
like that /mu/ guy?

>>128456547
sounds of nature on youtube

>10 hours of heavy rain and thunder

this is my pleasure

>>128456547
Lately I've been listening to gregorian chants on some internet radio station.

I also sometimes listen to random livestreams in the background, like dota or something.

>>128456998
> sounds of nature on youtube
Now I want some script to pick appropriate sounds based on weather in CDDA

>>128456998
I have a whole playlist of 10-hour or similar things, but mostly I use them to play a bunch simultaneously and create a sort of chaos insanity white noise thing. Currently I've got loops of gangnam style, epic sax guy, you are a pirate, mormon jesus, nyan cat, woah-oh-oh highlander look, leek spin, puddi puddi, robot unicorn attack, mortal combat theme, katamari on the funk, i'm black yall, rock my pony, guile theme, link side jumping, taking the hobbits to isengard, the imperial march, interior crocodile alligator, the xx intro, and sad toy cats.

Not all at once of course, usually 3 to 7. You should try it.

>>128457530
THE MEMES JACK

>>128456547
http://www.di.fm/darkdnb

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Quest the sixth
MAJORLY
INCONVENIENCED
And here's my reward. I have a feeling it's useful.
Thank fuck for the compass showing me where to go always for the next red dead redungeon.

>>128456547
dicku's latest stream
oh wait :(

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The legendary gloves.
Finally.
Too bad I'm a high-mage so I'll probably never be able to melee shit.

>>128458394
What do they do?

>>128458394
>-1 STR DEX CON CHR
that is really good, they usually have like -6

>>128458656
they give an elemental immunity, which can be used in conjunction with a wand of clone monster to active wyrm conga mode to scum for free experience and drops

>>128458097
Nevermind, died of hunger on the overworld cause didn't notice I was hungry.
GG no re

>>128456547
Neil Cigierega's Mouth Sounds

I am currently splatting 1 edain per minute, can anyone beat this?

>>128458394
>Too bad I'm a high-mage so I'll probably never be able to melee shit.

my friend let me introduce you to the greatness of the poisoned needle, who can be mastered by every kind of class and has a 5% chance of instakilling every single monster (yes, wyrms included). With 100+ AC and a staff of healing, even you, yes YOU, puny mage with more MP than HP can do the conga!

Start taking dance lessons today!

are there any good sci-fi or cyberpunk roguelinks

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>>128459678
>died of hunger on the overworld cause didn't notice I was hungry.
Anon I'm so sorry.

>>128460242
DoomRL

>>128460381
already played and beaten it several times
thanks for the suggestion though

>>128459358
>scum
why do people use "scum" that sounds like a bad thing. I'm actively halving the time needed to grind, because you *need* to grind to win poschengband.

I'm just grinding more intelligently.

Now, slapping immortality on a stack of 99 armors and selling them for 10 million, yes. That is scumming.

>>128460242
pardon the phone typo
roguelikes*

>>128460450
Try Slimy Lichmummy then. Cata also has sci-fi elements, cyberpunk not so much.

>>128460571
You don't even know what the word 'scumming' means.

>>128456639
I feel it man, I just like to listen to music while playing these games. I just don't like silence it's fuckin' weird.

>>128456920
Well I just want some specific music to listen to instead of the generic shit that they post half the time.

>>128456953
I would actually and that's just to silent for me mang.

>>128456998
Sounds pretty chill to me.

>>128457318
I'll look that up sometime sounds pretty good and for livestreams are cool to listen to but I like to watch them to.

>>128460976
Or maybe you don't?

The wyrm conga is 100% kosher.

>>128461215
Scumming doesn't mean "something that is bad or exploitative".

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>>128461567
>Scumming doesn't mean "something that is bad or exploitative".

...yes, anon. That is how it is used in the roguelike genre. Savescumming is the first thing that comes in my mind.

Take a loot for example at these pages with exploits
http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Scumming
http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Start_scumming
http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Save_scumming

Basically "scumming" is a multipurpose verb used to describe actions that vary from exploiting to outright cheating.

>>128461931
That's fair, but I'd argue that the wyrm conga is exploitative, but not bad. Because you know, it's PCB. If you grinded it out the way god intended it'd be completely miserable.

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Holy shit FAangband, calm your fucking tits. I'm just starting out here.
>tfw mages get identify at level 6

>>128463693
furyband is the over the top *band around here anon
you can't top that

>>128464051
I know anon, I'm the Furybando around here.
Thought I'd give FAangband a shot after the crushing experience of playing Unicorn for two days.

>>128460285
whoever made this pic needs to read some camus

>>128464051
I just thought about something
You know how you get negative xp in FuryBand at some point. Im wondering if you carry enough heavy as fuck corpses, can your speed drop so low that it becomes positive?

>>128464496
That "negative EXP" isn't really negative exp.
Check the option that is "show exp needed" and tick it off to show how much exp you have. SEE IT'S NOT NEGATIVE.

>>128446000
You're bad if you don't know how to randblink properly

>>128448153
how to post to ladder
i just play on roguenex.us

>>128447308
top kek

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>>128466330
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder.php
you would need to get your chardump somehow, which may not be really viable with roguenex.us, alas

>dat captcha

>>128456547
wu-tang clan

>>128458383
new stream when

>>128427742
Make a list of them so we can steal them for better roguelikes

>>128467186
>dck the Chief of Staff, Eye of the Flaming Serpent and Seeker of the Lost

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this is a little early, but ok
I'm playing a weaponsmith, should I extract it or keep it around?

>>128469694
Save them for the conga.
Or how do weaponsmiths work?
Can you just extract the immunity and slap it on something else?

>>128470080
I can, but I need 2 of them. This would be half of it.

what's a wyrm conga?

When do I start getting MP from evocations? I've been stuck at 5 mana and I"m at 3 evocations.

Is Cardinal Quest 2 any good? Should I get it for my phone or my laptop?

>>128470350
Well keep it around until it's time to conga and if by then you happen to find another source of immunity to extract, all the better then.

>>128470407
get immunity, get matching wyrm, clone, let the shekels hit the floor

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Taking a break from shield master for a little bit.

This should be... interesting.

Aim of the game: lazy artifacts


>>128470465
wand of cloning + (elemental immunity) + elemental wyrm you're immune to

>>128470861
What are the lazy artifact monsters again?
Morgoth, Plain Gold Ring and what?
Also aren't those almost serpent tier too?

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>>128471139
Morgoth, Plain Gold Ring, Unicorn of Order
the latter 2 are harder than the Serpent

>>128471139
Morgoth is easier than serpent, but yeah, it's going to be a ride if I get to that point.

I'm hoping to find a good ring or amulet of wizardry to make my magic not suck from laziness.

>>128470465
you don't, mp comes from INvocations and spellcasting depending on which is the highest

What do you fags need drawfags for?

>>128471423
Draw this
>>128470861
Fighting these
>>128471218

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did i do good

>>128471423
because people love drawings of characters, monsters, items, fights, spells, etc

>>128471753
Sure why not

>>128471423
To draw a mummy bodybuilder sitting behind a computer desk looking bored with life

>>128471423
i meant it more in a general way
i like the flavour occasional art brings to a community such as this

so you know, if you frequent this general and happen to draw at all, draw some roguelike shit sometimes and we'll reward you with e-dicksucking
even if it's really bad

>>128472439
I'll suck his dick for real if he draws good shit.
Maybe some handstuff too.

>>128472615
trade out the handstuff for buttstuff, and you have a deal

>>128472615
I might start drawing again just for you anon

>>128470537
It's fun but incredibly simplistic

It's also free iirc, if you must pay for a RL it shouldn't be that one

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>>128473484
Please draw Corwin laying a Terrible blood curse on an unsuspecting PCB player.

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I drew my last fofi with a shield and a vamp laj killing some nerd

How'd I do /rlg/?

>>128473879
I'd hang it on my fridge anon

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>>128473736
Japan is already ahead of you.

>>128473879
Tilt your head and look at it

>>128474112
But that's clearly a "Morgoth, Lord of Darkness sings of binding." instead of a death curse of a lord of Amber.

>>128474349
What is a lord of Amber anyway

>>128474448
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Amber

The Corwin cycle books are really good.

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>>128471485

>>128474926
Morgoth clearly skipped leg day.

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Finally completed thieves guild.

Only took 5 tries.

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>>128474926
>Morgoth is a crown with legs

Best roguelike to be a filthy jew gold/money/precious items hoarder?
DCSS and gozag seemed great, but being unable to sell items kills it for me.

>>128474710
Who thought it was a good idea to mix all these different stuff in roguelikes?

>>128475286
elona...?

>>128475479
Well they take a lot of shit from Zangband like Oberon and the Serpent which are based on those books.
Also the death curses are a big deal in the books too so it's fitting they'd be awful in the game as well.

>>128475286
Probably Elona+.

Cata if it doesn't have to necessarily be shekels.

>>128464496
>Im wondering if you carry enough heavy as fuck corpses, can your speed drop so low that it becomes positive?
nah, speed caps at +99 and -99. It's not a 8 bit integer.

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>>128476498
>-99
Not in FuryBand

>>128464291
what does camus have to do with tantalus

no I'm serious here I have never read camus

>>128469408
good items are actually just normal items with better stats and more egos

>>128460242
Caves of Qud is low-fi/apoc

I never noticed how beginner friendly SIl was to the player. Would of shit myself grinning if I had started playing roguelikes and it gave the congratulations for surviving the fire drake.

>>128470350
you need two of the same or two sources of immunity? Because if it's two of the same you're going to be fucked on the long run since they vary from -1 to -8 stats

>>128476636
huh, I thought we were talking about PCB for a second. Maybe you can stack very heavy corpses until you get plus speed, yes. Honestly nothing could be too weird in fury after that guy made the glass gas chambers.

> Be pleb who's never won.
> Get farther than I ever have before.
> Can't bring myself to play that save anymore because I know I'll fuck it up.

>>128470861
>lazy angel
you have truly gone mad.
I like it.

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Awoo

>>128474926
hehehe

>>128471218
what's even the point of grabbing those artefacts if those things are harder than the serpent

bragging rights?

>>128477030
Sources of immunity. Extracting essence ignores all negatives.

>>128477501
and you can slap those on every kind of armor or weapon? Nice. I'll have to look at the weaponmasters' spoilers.

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>>128415724
"Roguelike" was included in TotalBiscuit's "5 Words I'd Like to See Retired from Game Discussion:
https://youtu.be/hhAJV5D353w?t=1760
>>128476654
>tantalus
That's Sisyphus
Camus used him and his situation as an analogy in his existentialist work "The Myth of Sisyphus"

>>128477689
>That's Sisyphus
Oh yeeeah
tantalus is the guy who always wants to eat but the tree moves

>>128477689
I actually saw that video and decided to finally give roguelikes a try, I'm playing DoomRL (mainly because I already had it downloaded and never touched it).

I like it.

>>128477802
Yup
The water of the pond he's in also moves when he tries to drink, I think
>>128477993
Glad you're having fun then.

>>128477689
did he just call binding of isaac a roguelike

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Yeahhhhhh

Lazy archangel, patron of wastrels and lackwits.

My melee is non-existent, I'm hoping I can just spam spells forever until I find stat pots.

>>128478276
No.

>>128478354
What's their spell list?

>>128478578
Not entirely sure, I know they get a very good light spell 'Starburst', but with Lazy I doubt I can cast it without supplementary spellcasting items.

>>128478513
I'm pretty sure he said that
that and nuclear throne
at 32:50

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I want to play a rogue like because I think they look fun but after reading the pastebins in the OP i am no closer to deciding what to play. Please help.

>>128478772
He was using them to point out some games with the label roguelike that are similar, and then points out how many of them really aren't similar at all
Like BoI and Don't Starve

Later he specifically says that when you use roguelike he expects a game like say Angband

>>128478927
DCSS, Brogue, DoomRL, or Sil