- Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII is now available as a downloadable fighter.
- Corrin from Fire Emblem Fates is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
- Bayonetta is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
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SANS FOR SMASH 5!
I'm more of a fuckboyfagfag™ myself, but I don't blame you for liking Ike and Ryu. They're cool and hard workers.
I personally like Robin, Dark Pit, Pit, Marth, Corrin, Roy, Link, etc. If I had to choose it'll have to be Corrin. Tough decision though.
I'm down, if it's happening.
I didn't know I wanted it until just now
>Nair is your lord and savior
>Don't waste time while on buster mode
>Learn very well how much Shulk changes with each monado
>DONT BACKSLASH NEAR THE LEDGES
>mfw Metaknight not on top
>Lucina!, Pittoo, Junior, random button\
why the fuck do you make me do these things
This is why he's not on my fantasy team
Doc (Melee) Mario (Smash 4)
Jigglypuff (SSBM) Doc (4)
Kirby, Mario (SSBM) Bowser, Falco, Roy, Puff, Cloud (4)
I dont have on so take this insted
>Bowser, Shulk and Mac
I'm sort of happy
Need to see Rosa vs Ryu for studying
Kirby, Shulk, Sonic
Bowser main here.
I need a secondary though and I can't decide who. Its kind of a tie between Lucas, Wario and Metaknight I think.
What do? I really can't decide. Maybe I should go with someone faster to offset Bowser?
>he has 2 other 3ds players at 10pm
The general consenseus is that if you're going to secondary properly with Bowser, choose a top/high tier like Sheik, Mario or ZSS.
>mfw not solo maining Bowser
Some Bowser mains have done this with decent results.
No idea what that is nor do I care so I won't
It's fine I'm gonna head to bed now
smashfags, I have a question.
I've never really done much smash, mostly played with friends for fun. But Bayonetta is one of my all time favorite characters, and now that she's coming to smash I wanna get into it and practice and hopefully get good with her. Anyone know about a good youtube channel that teaches techniques and skills for competitive smash?
We might be able to get two others. Any anons around for 3DS doubles?
I'm the one getting fed up with this discord bullshit. It's non stop memes and hentai from the retarded circlejerk. I'd rather keep this alive than to have that shithole thriving.
GGs, not sure of your main but Ryu was easily your best. Im not really good at giving Smash 4 advice but you seemed to spam airdodges randomly, and you should probably learn his uptilt tricks since you didnt even use the light uptilt much
sometimes you have to take time off your main as much as it would pain you simply because of how horrible some matchups are
exactly why i'm experimenting with a lot of characters in an attempt to find someone that fits me and has decent ways to fight both space furries
tourneylocator has a series with some "techs"
there's no guides for bayo yet, but zss looks pretty similar so consider looking guides for her on smashboards.com, there are also some good general guides there
I am not in a top tier region in the US but if I can learn to fight our best Sheik Main, Peach Main and even an up and coming ZSS main, within reasonable boundaries you can too. But I understand as the matchups can seem hopeless. I guess I'm just a masochist.
I tried to, but you're pretty good at keeping a distance with cloud. Didn't think i'd land a single up tilt on you. But yeah, so far Ryu is my main. Used to be Falco, but you saw how that turned out.
I know theres no bayo guides yet since she's not out, was mostly just looking for fundamental stuff. Thanks though
>choose a top/high tier like Sheik, Mario or ZSS.
Eh, the problem is that none of those playstyles interest me.
I find them boring to be totally honest.
But yeah, the matchups can be quite frustrating at times.
Just know that Sheik, ZSS, Rosalina, and Pikachu are the agreed upon top 4
Mario and Sonic are at least top 6
Ryu, Falcon, Ness, and Fox are at least top 10
Theres no official tier list but everyone at least agrees on this much
he has but fox's speed and combo potential really fuck up megaman, especially if he's ever able to pop him up above him
fox can very easily outspace him because of reflector and turn a lot of projectiles into combo starters for himself
No. Nothing wrong with picking a good character but I have some personal thing, my bad
>rekt Tink main friend with my Shulk all the night, 2 nights
>"I have been training with a different character so I don't lose all the time against you, you'll see"
>"I only training against Shulks and Marios because of you"
How would you take this anon?
>tfw playing Mario since the demo
>tfw people call me a tierwhore because I use him
i don't even know what the discord is
yeah i'm here
That shouldn't bother you since most find Mario, while annoying, fine as a character. We had a recent situation in the Bowser forums where someone was screaming bloody murder over the u-throw to u-air combo, but none of the Bowsers or non Bowser lurkers batted an eyelid.
I had mixed feelings with the demo
Megaman ended up being shit to me but they clearly wanted to buff Mario and I happily accepted that
Was waiting for him to be this good since the first smash
okie dokie. i ahve a room up
anticipate extremely greedy play
That's still not really worth saying, Sheik isn't some not often used character or anything. Sure, there are a lot of shitty Sheik's but I'm sure literally every top player in the world has experience against a competent Sheik player.
cause i'm bored
>GW, Puff, MK, etc.
Need one more for dubs.
Haha, I should have guessed it was going to be like this
Tink goes higher for traveling the seas for his sister, at least higher than TP Link
Bowser goes lower for being a horrible father canonically
Wii Fit is a fucking girl
Duck Hunt are two people and the bird should be higher than the dog
Ryu is like Goku and only cares about his training
I main Mario but I dont mind fighiting him, even as other characters
I will admit though there is something about the Mario ditto that I really dont like. Cant exactly put my finger on it. I just fucking hate playing the ditto, yet I feel fine fighting Mario as Falco or Cloud or somethign
I think that a player hating the ditto isn't that uncommon. I don't like them either. I play Fox and Cloud and avoid the ditto with the other character each time that opportunity comes up.
There's like half a dozen people who play Cloud in my city so I'm getting a lot of MU experience with Fox on that one.
I dont mind the Doc/Mario ditto in Melee though, I think you have more freedom to express your own playstyle instead of like in Brawl/4 where its much more about just playing the character.
I dont think Ive ever played a Fox ditto in 4 but it seems like itd be fun with all the crazy combos you can get on each other
Cloud dittos are fun for me until one of them starts to do the FG hit-n-run-n-charge burst tactic.
Same with Doc dittos. Its all fun and games until one of us starts to zone with pills, then its just RPS with capes/pills/shield
I can't take Cloud, why is this happening?
>play Xenoblade Chronicles for 3DS
>take up Shulk as a result
>mfw haven't had this much fun in Smash in so long
I know he stinks in the meta but its great having a Monado art for every situation. Never knew Buster had such disgusting damage output.
I like Dabuz's face when that happened it's like his soul got destroyed
if i weren't practicing le utlit plumber i'd show you how much more useful speed is in plenty of matchups and how horribly buster can backfire on your, especially with when you use it particularly
it allows you to combo more and space with more ease, making the drawbacks seem like nothing
buster is generally preferred if you have a stock lead but can work in certain situations, never use it against any zoning characters though
Fair enough, kept wondering how you were able to short hop better while blue. Buster seems to be the best for fighting heavies, I got a Bowser to 60% in 5 seconds roughly. I'd imagine speed and jump would be better for zoners to get in on them.
Sure Bash, I can play a few. FC is 4184-2976-0132.
I found Shield good if I had a stock lead to get a few stabs in before death. Also I did check, some extra good stuff I didn't know they did, like Shield reducing damage by 33%.
I know he's just begging for attention with a tweet like that but I can't help feeling bad for him. He's been getting so close to overcoming his Nairo hurdle but just can't follow through.
>some extra good stuff I didn't know they did, like Shield reducing damage by 33%.
did you think shield boosted your jump height or something?
shield is generally a bad idea because it becomes extremely easy for anyone with any sort of projectile/walling move to stop you in your tracks even with your the range you have
I actually thought Shield just turned Shulk's weight up to stupid levels, hence the survivability. Didn't think it did anything else.
I getcha, I haven't fought a zoner yet as Shulk but I can already see Shield being crappy to get in on them.
Any 3DS Anons on who would be up for fighting a Shulk in training? FC is 4184-2976-0132
based on the amount of shitposting they do in the discord, here are your ssbg shitters:
anyone not listed but is in the discord is cool and they only use the discord for non-shitpost purposes
source is right here >>128076635
You'd think that a character that can throw out a million attacks a minute duking it out with itself would be pretty exciting but this shit's anti hype every time. I might be able to appreciate it more if I actually played Sheik but nope.
Fully uhh functional.
was told by more than one person that I commit to aerials too much. whenever I land I do so with an aerial
I don't know what the fuck else to do. how else am I supposed to land? I either throw out a hitbox to guard my landing or I give someone a free upair or whatever
someone said I should just land and dash into a grab...but that's so easy to see coming a mile away
how the fuck do you land in this game
Good games, sorry to leave suddenly, was just trying to waste time before my ride got here.
Its been fun
Depends on the character because some land easier than others, mostly the non floaters land the easiest. Usually if you have trouble landing you should save that 2nd jump to trick them to land safely. Characters like Diddy or Pikachu can just side b/up b to land safely and not be punished while others don't really have an answer to landing safely and just have to airdodge back or go to the ledge or throwing out your fastest move or the one with the least landing lag.
Guys I main Dedede and I secondary Shulk, and I'm tired of getting shat on by projectile users at tournaments.
How in the FUCK do I beat projectile spam with these assholes? They're forced to go on the offensive and neither can pressure shields well with their shitty frame data, so it feels like there's very little either can do against hyper-defensive play. Whenever I'm eliminated at a tournament it's usually by a Mario or a ROB.
It seems like the best I can hope for is to speedmode autocancel nair > dtilt with Shulk and hope the dtilt hits their foot after shield damage but having only one option doesn't make for a winning game. Empty short hops into grabs also work okay against people who spam shield-grabs once you make it past their projectiles but it feels like an absurdly uphill battle facing a projectile spammer with these characters even when they're being predictable.
I'm very happy with my placing today. This is the best result I've had in a tourney thus far. It was also our second biggest tourney our state has ever seen and all the top players from my state and a few others showed up.
I feel like I leveled up a bit today. Thanks everyone who watched and supported me ;_;
These two tournaments today have gotten me really excited for G3. Can't wait.
>made it out of KTAR pools for the first time
>got to see Steve Letters v. Venom live
Today was a good day.
GGs, those were fun games. Sorry for those suicides.
Ggs Anon. Was nice to get a ton of MU experience with Shulk, Cloud seems to dominate him though. Thanks for the set.
Pac vs MK. Sinji didn't know the MU, he kept trying to do typical Pac-Man stuff by walling out with hydrant, then camping the air to charge fruit. That doesn't work on MK because he can just use his lagless F-smash to OHKO the Hydrant and approach behind it, he can pursue Pac-Man into the air (and gives few fucks about falling Hydrant defense), and lastly if MK can confiscate Pac's fruit, he gains tons of momentum and can force him to approach MK, which sucks.
sorry man that's it for me, half of my inputs are fucked because of 3ds controls. If you want tips for shulk, when you up-b, aim it so that you dont land on stage after the second strike, so you dont get shieldgrabbed or punished. you can hold away to grab the ledge when you do it. And don't come down with dair, the few times you landed it on me was because of 3ds. It's only good for spike/punishing a shieldbreak or lock someone(I think). I thought it was weird when you were going with shield at 40% but maybe you missed the buster or something. GGs
Thanks anon. Yeah you busted me to hell when I failed to sweet spot the edge, tried to cop on as the set went onward.
The reason I went Shield at 40% was because either I was losing the neutral horribly and had to get some damage in "safely" or I was a stock up and wanted to dent your % as much as possible before dying.
Cheers though, I'll keep learning my Monado.
I would up B instead of side b, dtilt instead of dsmash, ftilt instead of shorthop float-cancel bair. Also didn't get any reverse grab, but that's because I'm used to doing it with the Z on gamecube.
>still don't never use the C-stick
Smash on 3ds is shit
The c-stick is pretty worthless on the 3DS. Never mind its position, because its a little knib, you can't even feel if your input is registering except from the on screen action, making it pretty bad.
I'm on the same boat m8. I don't hate the 3ds, thus it feels great that I beat my pro-controller friends but the c stick on it is so shit.
Never used c stick in any smash tho
The worst part of it all is that I bought a new3ds especially for smash since my old one didn't have it. Now I'm getting smash on the old one to play well again
GGs Foe. Feels great to fight you again after so long, even if you've improved more than I have since we last met.
Actually, have I even improved at all?
Would anyone else like to fight me?
i'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to adjust, just need to make the touchpad camera controls in the right spot so you can claw like every other monster hunter
only problem with the nipple in MH is that if your thumb/finger isn't dry to the bone then it's just gonna slip all over and get almost no inputs through
>falkore playing ike again
Getting tired of Cloud already?
Room deployed. All stocks online. Ready!
Nigga you aren't even on my team.
I feel sorry for Pikachu, G&W, and Kirby users. Can they even consistently beat Ganondorf? Pikachu would have to get Dorf to like 150% just to kill him, while dorf would kill Pikachu at 70%.
Ganondorf is combo food for Kirby
Pikachu can use bair to get rid of Ganondorf
G&W? Good RNG with that
So Basically get good you fucking scrub
Doesn't ganondorf usually need a read or punish to get every single hit in on kirby, except for when he's using his neutral air, as the rest is easy as hell to avoid and/or punish for the pink ball?
How many of you have gotten hand injuries from playing smash?
And we all know all you sm4shfags haven't gotten any.
>not too familiar with competitive smash scene/community
>see that meta knight's dominance in brawl is cited as a blight on the game and the overall aura surrounding the character was negative
>but fox's increasing proliferation in melee is looked on as almost endearing, resulting in lots of positive memes, etc.
explain? was brawl meta knight significantly stronger than melee fox?
Just bought Smash tonight (finally) for my 3DS, so I've been training my amiibo a little bit. I've only got two so far, but I got a $25 Best Buy gift card for my birthday so I'll be getting two more. Right now I own:
TheMissing- Link amiibo level 16
Clone Baby- Mewtwo level 12
I'm really digging it so far.
What other Amiibo are you planning on getting?
Fox had weaknesses.
Fox had even matchups, and against specific characters on particular stages, possibly disadvantaged matchups.
Meta Knight had polarized positive matchups against the entire cast.
Not sure. I'd like to get Little Mac, or maybe Charizard. I'm very new to the whole Amiibo thing. I bought my two before Christmas with the intention of buying a WiiU after the holidays, but it didn't pan out. So I bought a New 3DS instead.
Metaknight had a 100:0 match up against Ganondorf. In what game ever has any character ever got a 100:0 match up?
I bought my sister a Rosalina Amiibo for Christmas. Had to order it from Japan to keep the cost down. I couldn't find one stateside for less than $60. Luckily Ami Ami had them at retail. Just had to pay $10 for shipping but it was a hell of a lot better than buying one here.
GGs Kinuski. I really don't know what to do about your Cloud. To me, it feels like only Roy has the speed to deal with you, but not the range, while Shulk is just too damn slow.
This is why i used the terms "generally" and "usually"
In the normal space of time of one grab, they'll go on there once. For very slow pummels that are hard to get multiple (greninja, robin) they all go on the queue. For very fast pummels that can net you a lot (kirby, ness) you have to do even more to get a second spot on the queue.
It counts multihits as a hits from the same move hitting during a certain frame window. Multihits can land many times in a short frame window so it will count them as a single move. Pummels are similar.
1 ness pummel has the same staleness effect as 5.