Dueling Network General #2047
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This is just one anon's opinion, but I've found the best use of them is careful management, have Lux up and 1 pendulum you can summon to your side each turn and tribute each turn. Makes it into a better Imperial Order. Can still use spells and SS other extra deck during your turn but opponent can't.
Who here likes amazoness?
Remember spellbinding circle?
Oh my bad, I had another instance going and didn't notice. Have secret tek in return
>decide to look through a random box of commons sitting behind my bed because I saw a Deskbot 004
>find 5 Lizardraws
I'm getting really heavy signs that I should bring smiling with dueling
Remember to devote yourself to your waifu if you want to get better at card games
what do you think it yugiohs power nine? this is my list
pot of greed
harpies feather duster
also when is this blue eyes going to get reprinted?
I'm actually winning.
Mokey secret meta
yata could come back to 3 and nobody would touch it, hand wipes are too hard to do now and the easy ways are banned. feather duster could also come back. i would put sixth sense there if it was old but its not
>Card of red jewel
I don't think it's possible for any dragon based deck to be inconsistent with all the support they have.
I would, but I know I would just win the tourney anyways and then people would just say I rigged the tourney.
Because /tg/ is wh40k and mtg territory, they don't want us there and every time we manage to start a thread is full of
>Synchro broke the game
>You can pendulum 3 Blue Eyes without tributing? That's broken
>I haven't played the game in 10 years but I can't understand why Summoned Skull + Axe of Despair is not good anymore?
>muh resource system
well yea have you seen ARG or any locals
you just cheat till you win
cant cheat on devpro
>summon 20 monsters and activate cards that prevent a player loss from occuring
Why would you ever play Devpro then if you ever actually plan on playing IRL, if it doesn't suitably prepare you for all the cheating that the top players will attempt to pull on you?
>trump captured "el chapo"
B T F O
What I really dislike about tg and yugioh is that they are completely out of touch with the game but they act as if they know everything. They overreact to any t2 gimmicky deck as if it was fucking D R A G O N S because they can special summon twice per turn. Post the maxx c challenge webm on tg and they will lose their shit.
Nigger we already tried to move these generals when Swifts was still shitting up the place and all it ended up doing was splitting up traffic and making ded threads even dedder becauser there were people who exclusively wanted to post on /tg/ and people who exclusively wanted to post on /vg/.
My deck. It's my speshul dek, the one I made myself and, as far as I know, is the first. The problem now is getting it to not lose to disruption and floodgates.
I stuck offense at 9 because the deck does nothing but attack and draw, and shuffle your shit away.
>Not even the only decent version of Gishki, Zielgigas turbo, and instead this shitty ass abomination you're running
Holy shit what is going on today, did every petdeck faggot suddenly take a swig of that Deludedade?
New Fortune Lady support when?
what if i wanna run a nice, clean level 7 build, instead of a fucking turbo deck that does nothing but spam the same guy over and over?
it's meant to be a little shitty, which is why im running the traps, which are dead situational but useful when you get them off.
Yeah this is not what I was thinking. Gishki should definitely have high consistency though. Rituals inherently kind of need to be highly consistent to make up for being rituals. Good idea for a game though.
*level 8, lol.
but yeah, controlling the field with draws is more fun than the otk variant, I find, I've used it and it gets boring real fun. I'll take my Levi over Ziel any day.
Here, have a nifty deck that's still very much in development
>people discussing petdecks
>autist starts freaking the fuck out because it's not the most optimal build of the archetype and starts throwing around the word "feelings"
I fucking wonder about this general.
This reminded me, I saw Magical Hats in Konami's SHVI Prediction Princess build. But what exactly is it for?
It should have been over and nothign else needed to be said as soon as the guy said he was aware it probably wasn't the best Gishki deck. There's nothing else that needs to be said at that point. Everyone is on the same page.
>they set 1 and pass
>do my shit
Blue-Eyes engine is trash
Magical Mallet is trash
Reload is trash
DW Deal is worse than Into the Void if you're yoloing
You need Soul Devouring Bamboo Sword if you're gonna bother with the Bamboo Sword engine
Fill whatever extra slots you have with the Chicken Memes engine.
That doesn't seem nearly worth it to me. Neither of Black Cat-astrophe's effects seem worth the effort and you can relatively easily actively put Prediction Ritual into the grave yourself just playing Yugioh. I wouldn't specifically to do it.
Because it's bad and leaves you with either a dead card or some trash card like Toon Blue-Eyes or Toon Gemini elf.
There's a reason even Spellbooks didn't bother with it after they realized it was bad.
Because you end up with a useless card afterwards, it doesn't help you actually get to other cards, and deck thinning just for the sake of deck thinning is not all that hot when you search all your cards anyway
Hi guys got a shit billy deck for you to help me out with. What should I change around?
Upstart actually leaves you with a not-meme card while also deckthinning, unlike meme deckthinners like Toon Table or Thunder Dragon that leave you with a dead memecard in the hand.
43 cards is fine for PePe, right? 40cards is just a meme, right? I don't really have to cut down on my options to do stuff, RIGHT?
I feel like everything is pretty essential since I want to main twin twisters.
I know I noticed one list on ocg.xpg.jp from the randies, played one Rabbit (OCG has all 3), 3 Master, I think at least 2 Vecter, but only 1 Recter. Isn't Recter, you know, actually good? That seems strange to me. I didn't notice if it was the norm.
Can you name the weakest card in your deck?
Performers can play 40 cards. But adding a couple cards isn't really actually going impact you that much. Over a long career it may but most decks don't have that kind of lifetime. You lose percentages but what matters is the percentages finally adding up to that game loss because of it
I actually had that deck IRL like immediately after the first banlist hit (not forbidden list) and wrecked my real deck. Win con was The Law of the Normal into Triangle Power for OTK and stall with Level Limit, Gravity Bind, etx until you got there.
Here is my exodia list, is there any way to replace the minus cards such as reload and mallet. The one pot of duality is here because it's a dead card if i draw several.
Blue-eyes Ultimate Dragon /Dragon Master Knight retrains when ? 2016 Movie Promos?
It feels sort of incomplete with all the Blue-eyes support being retrained yet the deck's final bosses are still untrained.
just tried this and the wand can be dead if no spellcaster and the monk can also be dead if i already normal this turn
I am not lucky and DW dealing is minus as well
>No mention of Shining Dragon
Are we supposed to pretend that she and Sorceror of Dark Magic don't exist since Pyramid of Light was a filler movie?
Retrain them, it's been 12 years Konami and they deserve to be worth using.
Just give Ultimate Dragon the piercing effect or let it float into any Blue-eyes dragon from the extra deck when it leaves the field and it'll be fine.
DMK I have no idea, make it immune to card effects and call it a day.
>stop discussing yugioh in a yugioh thread.
>Kaiba never got to be with this cum plum
I feel bad for him.
Mess around with the ratios, it's still barebones since the only protection this deck has is azure-eyes but that's easy to get around.
idk how it works, something like JoJo stands?
Millennium World arc showed that Dark Magician is a guy who was so gay for Atem that he sealed himself as the Dark Magician so he could serve him for all eternity.
Blue-eyes was the spirit of Kisara and when she died and was sealed in the stone, she became Kaiba's servant for all eternity.
I forgot to mention that Dark Magician Girl was Atem's childhood friend who somehow got sealed in stone after the Zork massacre of Egypt.
Yugi wins over Kaiba again getting a tall dark dude and his 13 year old blonde student while Kaiba gets an aryan teenager.
>all of my percy decks are still intact even though I just updated 10 times
She's blond now anyways.
Fictional characters don't change their clothes unless having multiple outfits is part of their character (ie they're a fashionista or just the rich kid). It's easier to draw/animate that way
>Dark Matter Dragon Rulers was not even semi relevant in OCG
Rewriting history much? They topped multiple times. Not very often, but still enough for me to netdeck their techs (Eatos, Mirror Ladybug)
Fucking Kingdom Hearts 2 had pajamas for a side character, back in the PS2 era. Just because your homo love visual novel is too lazy doesn't mean that should be an acceptable standard.
>Way to rewrite history, they were totally relevant
>They topped multiple times
>Not very often though...
I can look it up right now if you want. It's easy. But it looks like backed off right in the middle of your own post and remembered that the deck was not relevant, especially not relevant enough to have a format named after it.
9 pure. 4 Hieratic. That's at the very least "semi-relevant" considering how long the combo was legal.
Compare amounts of tops of any Dragon Ruler variant compared to everything else even including Dark Matter's release date. Also
>Settling on "semi-relevant" after pulling out the name of a format out of your ass like it was defined by one of many random decks
Nice backpedaling, I didn't even have to do anything since you realized yourself but it's still funy you're insisting that it was at all some sort of important deck.
I mean, characters only having one or two outfits isn't even a video game specific, or even Japan specific thing. The fact that some people do go the extra mile doesn't somehow make drawing/animating multiple outfits over the course of a series less time/resource consuming
I mean, Kingdom Hearts 2 also had panties on Kairi's model you can only see if you mess around with camera angles at one very specific part of the game, doesn't mean every game should be adding panty textures simply to appease horny 14 year olds
Even if the character took the hoodie off then that would have been acceptable. You wouldn't have to change anything, it's literally the same outfit except without the hoodie. It's not the same thing as optional panty shots, seeing the character wear their full clothing to bed is a requirement as part of the story. It's unavoidable.
>note says "no pendulums", join in with blue-eyes
>activate trade-in on T1, opponent "surrenders"
>assume it was a connection issue because lately I've had a lot of those in pro
>try joining a room with the same opponent
>kicked out every time
You'd think that nostaliafag players would have a hard-on for BEWD.dek but I see almost none of them playing it.
Does pic related and all the tuners make it unattractive because le 5ds was shite CARD GAYMES ON MOTORCYCLES maymay or is it something else?
> because my cards "don't exist"
I love getting that excuse, actually. I don't know why but it just makes me laugh like if they don't exist, why are they in the database?
How am I using them if they don't exist? Am I fucking Yuya now? Materializing cards out of nowhere?
Do I get a Yuzu of my very own now?
Stop playing with imaginary cards then
>Am I fucking Yuya now?
Yusei did that first.
Hell he did it every time he summoned Shooting Star, the card is always blank but then he says ACCEL SYNCHRO and suddenly it's a dragon
I wish I could pull off a Shooting Star OTK, just once
>implying Blue-eyes isn't the epitome of skill with graveyard recycling, a draw engine, near unlimited techs and the ability to synchro, xyz and fusion all in the same deck
Twin Burst is awesome as fuck, if it could attack twice like Cyber Twin Dragon can, it'd be a 10/10 fusion
>tfw you use it with Honest to hit dracosacc twice and banish it with the second attack since that banishing effect is optional.
>playing different BEWD dek variations
>constantly go into mirror matches
>see the weirdest tech
>united we stand
I admit Number 23: Lancelot is the only tech I've liked and used myself.
>"fixed some bugs"
>"fixed the amorphages"
>spells and traps still aren't considered "amorphage" cards
>amorphage cards in the pendulum zone won't trigger their costs during the SP to make plays
>irritum still won't banish
Why do they lie?
It's just I use Shooting Star's effect every time I can
And I have yet to land on more than one tuner.
Take a drink for every time eerie adds/fixes something at the speed of sound but then turns out shit's still broke/something else broke
Dank Matter and fighting against a Chaos dragon deck is the cause of this I assume.
This is one of the reasons OCG has Primal seed at 1. This loop makes BLS go into some ridiculous numbers and your opponent is taking it since he attacks twice.
I feel liek you've decided to let it go for now and I should just let it slide by and ignore it but I can't, yes I did misremember, I thought Hieratics were more common but they weren't, so I was the one pulling shit out of my ass there
>not thinning your deck while gaining ez lifepoints
Knowing KoA, CED isn't getting unbanned until SHVI comes to the TCG so they can promote the Chaos Blue-eyes build OCG is jumping on.
Hope you bought your Melodys, Trade-ins and Maidens.
>tfw Junk Warrior + Scrap Fist in Skulls
The first Blue-eyes builds on Nico to use the support used the Chaos engine with Dank Matter to OTK. Even in the sample decks posted on the org, there's always atleast one chaos build even if it is terrible
Damn, I thought the last post was you and made me not have to dig throguh the randie blue-eyes deck lists on ocg.xpg.jp since the SHVI blue-eyes support was uploaded on there since I have no real response to that, mostly because it speaks for itself and because it's not like anyone can prove that right or wrong. But now I have to if that wasn't really you since randy lists from niconico are about as valid as the ones from ocg.xpg.
First list using SHVI support is 乙女ヌート
Since that date there's only like three lists with Chaos in the name. I was digging through all of them just to see if any of them just didn't put Chaos in the name but my internet connection is not the best so it's taking more time than I feel like dedicating to this and after the first bunch with none playing CED without having Chaos in the name I figured doing so would be pointless.
Do we know pull ratios for BoSH TCG yet or not?
Going to go to both of my BoSH sneak peeks on both the 9th and 10th
Also since I know there is a guy who also kept talking about "Chaos Blue-eyes" being one of the "main Blue-Eyes" decks alongside "Fusion Blue-Eyes", I would assume that it's the same person but who knows, there's 2 lists since then with Fusion in the name, I don't feel like digging through the lists to see if they play Dragon's Mirror or Poly or whatever it is that makes a "Fusion Blue-Eyes" deck though so
>I don't feel like digging through the lists to see if they play Dragon's Mirror or Poly or whatever it is that makes a "Fusion Blue-Eyes" deck though so
It's just turboing fusions
Not gonna lie, besides nimble momonga (why would you play that card here? I know it fits the theme and it can live between turns but I don't think a battle floater is where any deck wants to be if it doesn't have to be like Ojamas or something), this looks like a really solid list imo.
>Opponent draws Maxx "C" after I've already special summoned a ton of shit
>Can't even use it next turn when going for the OTK because of Arc Herald
And I thought discarding GUB to summon Effect Veiler was going to screw me over in the long run
The pic would be nice
>dueling some faggot running amorphages who was fucking NO idea of how the fuck he should pilot the deck
>also has the guts of taking 20 forevers during his turns and my own
Also lost G2 because he didn't have to pay the upkeep for the pendulums
good job EerieCode
Oh, oh, this juat reminded me about the flip stratoa. I wonder if it's worth playing here. I guess not since it's off level and the normal summon search for a thing you have to normal summon is pretty slow.
I'd run a lot more Upstarts if I could, Obedience Schooled is far and away the most powerful card in the deck. Turn 1 Naturia Beast is the strongest play you've really got.
This mostly, I don't want to burn a normal summon on something that isn't going to give me extra deck access. It's a nice card to dump with Obedience or Math and then revive and use, but I don't want to have to normal summon it.
So I guess that's a "never". I kind of thought it would have gotten it at least once since schooled is a 3 of. I bet if you had more traps or something there it's make more impact the times you do draw it
>To Yata Lock your opponent on the first turn, Summon Psycho P and activate Terminal World and you can swing for game turn 3
>There is no deck which can accomplish this since Rituals will always slow a deck down regardless of the draw power/engine.
How does this make you feel that we're sitting on the most cancerous decks since Yata yet there is no way to build it?
If you mention Blue-eyes, I tried and the draw engine is too damn slow to pull it off.
>People still reply to Mariomon in the year of our lord and savior 2016.
Good lord you people have learned nothing, glad I left this general months ago.
Amorphages aren't good, though.
Mild annoyance when they cockblock the one thing you need, but if you don't get in control on the first turn (via Psycho or something), anything with maindeck monsters with strong bodies and S/T removal will fuck it in the ass
>Mana and DMG's designs
All these years and still top of the top.
Takahashi is the man.
Yata was more or less the same situation.
>Dump Light and Darks in the graveyard
The problem was the game was slow as fuck back then so you could easily stall for the combo pieces unlike now where you have to draw everything out or die.
The fastest way to turn one the motherfucker so far is Draconnection ARA BEWD or destroy Persona and sac the stuff for Psycho.
>opponent sets Ariane and Plushfire and uses Wavering eyes
>Starlight Road ;)
>LOST A MATCH TO PREDICTION PRINCESSES
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK
Seriously, kill yourself you underage fag. Only a dumb kid would think that driving an hour is a lot. Just ask your mommy to dirve and it will be fine. Maybe she will buy you a happy meal on your way back.
>Just couldn't resist namedropping some trip who wasn't even part of the conversation
You people are honestly the worst. How far does Vorcia have his dick up your ass for you to be so upset about him?
Since you're guys are shitting the thread I will contributing a little to on topic discussion
Not that I can't afford it but ~$30 for 5 packs, a promo I'll never use and the company of a dozen ridiculously smelly men just doesn't sound like a good time or use of money.
Reposting this from the Arc-V thread
If that SPIRIT meter in the movie is any indication, I'd say we're getting a mana system in order to help with balance.
>Maximum it goes is 100.
>First turn players start with 5 SPIRIT
>each turn and increases by 5 per each standby phase
>1 SPIRIT for a Normal summon, 1 for a spell, 1 for searching a card 2 for a special summon, 3 for a synchro or xyz summon and setting cards doesn't count towards SPIRIT
>Pendulum summoning uses SPIRIT depending on levels and the amount each pendulum summoned monster takes 1 SPIRIT but 5-6 take 2 and 7 and above take 3
>SPIRIT may be used to draw a card using 10 SPIRIT for one draw once per turn
>SPIRIT may be used to destroy a card using 15 SPIRIT per each and it's once per turn
>SPIRIT may be used to protect monsters from effects 10 SPIRIT for battle 15 SPIRIT for card effects 20 SPIRIT for spinning or bouncing and 50 for total immunity
Does this balance Yugioh or does it make it so shit that MtG is better?
>open preprep and tailwind or taboo pot
>summon taro off pot, revive pot at end phase and use taro eff to flip and use sentry effect
>flip pot facedown during opp turn
>face up your turn sentry again, face down with taro
>face up with taro their draw phase
How the fuck is this fair? If you don't have at least two answers in your opening draw you're screwed off a 2 card combo
I don't think they'll actually try and shoe horn in a fucking mana system 15 years into the games life if they didn't think to do so already. Granted it doesn't sound like the most terrible idea, but regardless of Konami implementing basic shit YEARS later, a resource system at this point in the game seems really unfeasible
Okay how about this?
Everyone else post more cards too.
>Shitty deck finally gets an assortment of good/decent cards
>Faggots already complaining about balance despite the fact that the deck still won't be all that good
Jesus Christ, will you semi-casual fags PLEASE fuck off back to Reddit or some shit?
Why can't Yugioh make pyro good
Does anyone else have good pyros?
They haven't actually reached finals yet. Deck distribution of the 10 players are 3 To-Love Ru, 2 Girlfriend (Beta), 2 Idolm@aster Cinderella Girls, 1 Kantai Collection, 1 Nisekoi, and 1 Charlotte
English worlds is 3 Attack on Titan, 2 Kantai, 1 SAO, 1 Disgaea, 1 Love Live, but they're not streaming English worlds
Its funny how certain cards in the game like the Chaos monsters, Blaze Fenix, and Panzer Dragon validate combining certain mishmash of stuff. Cross Type and Attribute support seems like a potential new wave of fun stuff that Konami expanded directly more on.
Well yeah, there's a massive amount of sets missing in English, Nisekoi got nerfed because Singapore Bushiroad is afraid of its games having banlists, and Persona is a random mishmash of trash cards that suit you perfectly because of licensing issues outside of Japan. I'm honestly surprised we're even getting Haruhi
Best dead-on-arrival archetype?
Considering we have Kantai Collection allowed to run around without restrictions, no, they don't skip sets because they're strong. But Japanese Marika is broken as shit, so it and a bunch of unrelated, less broken cards got nerfed when Nisekoi was released in English.
Think of it like if when Chaos Emperor Dragon was released in Japan, Upper Deck decided that it was too powerful and would turn western players away from the game as it was still trying to establish its footing, so TCG got the shitty errata CED in Invasion of Chaos instead.
Both. SAO is actually really good too because Sinon is good shit
Colossal Titan is like Towers though, it's a bad card that forces the opponent to play sub-optimally, and only gets results in English due to the lack of sets that have ways around it, like how Towers Turbo got results because Europe doesn't have Crab King and won't have Lightning.
Yugioh and Weiss are eerily similar at times
>Playing this shit game
>When you could be playing Force of Will
Also, Notice and PenSorc broke $80 on ideal preorders, sitting at $83 and $85 respectively. Infinity hit $70, while Rafflesia is at $28.
I feel sorry for people who pull the Buster Blader fusion, even the Kozmo secrets and Ultimate Providence are at least still in the $15-20 range
No I mean, Sinon is actually straight up busted, she's probably the third best finisher in the game behind Marika and Yami. AIDS girl is good too. The meta SAO build in Japan is actually Sinon and Yuuki focused.
I actually liked all the girls in SAO that aren't Asuna. I don't like big tits goddamn do I want to give it to Suguha
>Playing a game where you can unironically cheat in the finals of worlds, have the substitute judge agree with your incorrect ruling while the head judge is busy masturbating in the bathroom, and still retain the title since your opponent was too retarded to try appeal the ruling to the head judge.
>tfw don't have a friend to play weiss schwarz with
She's this semen demon.
I do like me some Mikan though, so let's go To-Love Ru
Kancolle wins worlds, Haruna is 2gud
>WS having sims
I wish, then I could stop playing Yugioh. Whatever happened to the guy who was trying to add it to Cockatrice?
Don't impersonate me
Whenever someone who can comes along, it gets shut down because Heart of the Cards is super protective of their translations and everyone is too lazy to make their own because HotC's are official
If it did, I wouldn't be on ygopro playing coin flip simulator 2016
Sorry nostalgiafags, but Blue-Eyes will never be as sexy, fun, or relevant as Dragon Rulers were.
Son of a bitch
>Gishki were literally NEVER good outside of Japan and even in Japan with their insane Handloop did jackshit against the hordes of Inzektors raping the fuck out of everything
>Facig a Blue-Eyes fag that gets Stardust and Blue-Eyes Spirit out first turn
⌨>My opening hand is 2 Guiturtles, Pendulum Sorcerer, 2 Luster Pendulums, and Waveringn Eyes drawn
>Activate Turtle and Sorcerer to draw 1
>Its fucking Tricklown
>Wavering eyes my scales
>My fuckingn face when they chain Stardust
This is bullshit. Why the fuck does Stardust protect my cards too. God fucking damn it. GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. YOU RETARD YOU PROTECT YOUR CARDS
Man that sounds retarded to say out loud.
>Wizard Buster Destruction Sword
>Robot Buster Destruction Sword
Good work Konami, just keep sticking words in there, it'll eventually sound cool
>Would I make my money back if I go to sneak peek tomorrow?
Depends on what you pull obviously, you pull a secret and it's not blader fusion you are probably good
This is how prices are dictated, if you were guaranteed to make your money back then the cards wouldnt be worth as much so you wouldnt be able to make the money back
>Not send to grave
>running an extra deck