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This general is for discussing all shmups/stgs (shoot 'em ups/shooting type games).

RECENT NEWS:

Mushihimesama released on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/377860/

Dariusburst: Chronicle Saviours on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/377870/

New Cave game announced: http://promo.cave.co.jp/bancho/
Spoiler - It's more Dodonpachi

CAVE's next Steam Port is Death Smiles.
http://deathsmiles.caveshmups.com/

Give these a try! https://www.mediafire.com/folder/nz0227tzb9zor/shmupmame
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Do you prefer wide or narrow shots, /shmupg/?
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Thoughts on the R-Type series?

I played the shit out of R-Type Delta as a child and enjoyed it.

Which of the original 2D R-Type games is worth revisiting?
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>>127568372
I think it's alright, I haven't played them a ton yet and may revisit them. Leo is the main one I messed with and JESUS CHRIST those last two levels are nuts.
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>>127567138
I wanna suck on those fine plump tits.
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>>127568342
Hard to choose
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>>127568342
I like having multiple types of attacks,but if I had to choose it would be narrow.
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>>127568342
Narrow.
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>>127569243
Something about beetle babies

>>127570223
Is that SaiDaiOuJou?
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Satazius > Dariusburst CS
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>>127573292
But the space fish though
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>>127568342
I prefer Homing
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>>127568342
I used to prefer wide every time, but I've been switching between widest and narrowest lately depending on the game. narrow in mushi, wide (reflection) in strania
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>>127573416
Pfff, DB doesn't even have the GOAT space fish.
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>>127576483
>Man why is Zone M so empty
>WARNING A HUGE BATTLESHIP
>TITANIC LANCE
>IS APPROACHING FAST
>Can't find Touei on youtube
Fucking Taito fuck
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>>127568342
I prefer balanced but usually go for narrow because I want fast.
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Raiden IV: OverKill has this weird quirk with the music where it fades in instead of starting normally. Might just be my own PC's sound settings.

That's aside from the other music issue where some music in later stages doesn't loop properly, but hopefully the fan patch fixed that. R4OK is still fun, otherwise. I'll play 4 a lot more over 3.

>>127568342
Sometimes I go for a balanced shot that's in between wide and narrow, but I usually fall back on the narrow shot/fast ship (DDP and Mushi, for two).

>>127553863
>Huh. Always cool to hear of someone on 4chan actually being involved with these things in some way.

Yeah, it was interesting working with others to report on bugs with DBCS, and I'd do it again.
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>>127578427
I hate missiles so much.
Worst thing a shmup can throw at you
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>>127580296
Yeah Darius is like "We won't curtain fire, we'll just send seeking projectiles at you instead".

And then it's "We'll do that on top of zoning you off of most of the screen with beams and shit".
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>>127580296
Even worse than Taito's homing curvy lasers?
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>>127581937
Those come second.
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>>127568342
Narrow with fast movement.
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>>127581937
>>127582078
Taito knows how hated their homing lasers are, so no wonder DariusBurst added variations of them.
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>>127572334
It's ichimen bancho.
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>>127568530
LEO is pretty easy for an R-Type game. The only really difficult part is the white spider mecha right before the endboss.
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>>127568342

Usually narrow unless chaining kills is a vital part of the game.
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I have to focus entirely on survival and can't even begin to fathom aiming for high scores

how do I git gud
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>>127592027
I guess get good enough to the point that survival is pretty easy for you then work on the scoring.

And have fun. This is important.

>>127581937
>>127582078
>>127584991
Everything and their mother starts having them too.
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Play shmups regularily.
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>>127592701
Whoops, meant for >>127592027.
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>>127592027
I feel you.

I've been playing some Cave shmups recently, and I'm having fun, but I feel like I must be bad. Not "the games are hard," but "I'm bad."

I've maybe put 4 or 5 hours into DoDonPachi DaiOuJou and I can really only get up through half of level 3 consistently on one "coin." Is this normal? How long is "normal" for being able to even reach the final stage consistently?
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RIP
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>>127593284
Doesn't sound weird to me at all. 4 or 5 hours isn't a lot of time at all. Don't worry about your progress when you've put in such a small amount of time. Just keep practicing and you'll definitely get better!
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IN
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>>127600571
I really liked that game.
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>>127593284
If you play in MAME I really advise you to use savestates for practice. Saves a lot of time.
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>there will never be another shmup as good as or better than this one

Shmups... are kill...
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Good Bye My Gay Earth
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>>127603801
I feel your pain, but I beat another mission and moved onto greener pastures with the Assault Silver-Hawk Burst.

Have you noticed that the map is basically a timeline? The left side of the map is going over battles that happened in the past, hence why you are often assigned older ships (Origin, 2nd, Gaiden), while the right half is future missions and you use newer ships such as the Next and Assault more often.

Check the dates.
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>>127604560

god I'd have killed to have 7 ARM going into that fight but that stage threw me for a loop something awful. I'll have to run it up again.

And yeah, I've been digging the old soundtracks queued up for the older ships' runs, too
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>>127604943
I played a bunch of Gaiden and G but not a lot of the first two because of how hard they were to emulate at the time, but the original soundtrack is pretty damn neat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAaa93P0Gn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3CfHxDLbmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr4AKkQvmBI (I REALLY love this one)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caxQHvxFkcI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLRDSTcW58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWGyeujPk4 (Theme of Thousand Memes)
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>>127604943
Oh yeah, what might help
Use your fixed burst as a defensive tool. That's what makes the Next Silver-Hawk so great in the first place, is that it's much better at defense than the Legend on account of the fixed burst turning more quickly when you try to aim it. It allows you to keep your movements tighter too so that you won't strafe into other shit AND keep up your fire more often.
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>>127603231
20 years was a pretty good run for an extremely niche genre, though.
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>>127576483
>this is awesome
>holy shit I'm doing it
>a couple segments closer to the eye, suddenly lasers everywhere
Some day I'll not suck at G Darius
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>>127592027
>>127593284
Play a lot. Practice, too.
It usually takes me about 2 weeks to 1cc/1-all games (and a month or more for the harder games) by playing every day, and playing for score requires infinitely more time and practice.
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Why is progear so hard? Can't get past stage 2, why is the scoring mecanic so weird?
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>>127609926
>shoot stuff to make stuff appear
>stop shooting stuff to auto-collect stuff

What's so weird about it?
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>>127610146
>all while keeping your waifu happy
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>>127608772
*Darius Gaiden

Some day I'll not suck at posting.
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>>127613339
>Some day I'll not suck at posting.
Good luck. I've been practicing for 6 years and I'm still terrible.
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Thought on Omega Boost?
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>>127614841
How well does this one emulate?
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>>127614841
Looks like an /m/ Star Fox game, which is cool.
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Man, /vg/ is fast today.
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>>127619130
Ban all mobas.
Actually, I wonder how much slower /vg/ would be if that happened.
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>>127619603
Site wide or just /vg/, but they'll just move onto another board.
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>>127616710
dude. shut the fuck up.
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>>127622072
>it's cool
>shut the fuck up
k
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>>127622646
you dont know shit about anything you stupid little gunt
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>>127622773
>it looks cool
>you don't know shit
It looks like hot garbage, then? The fuck do you want.
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>>127622898
Cave owns, bitch.
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>>127622898
want you to stop being so fucking ignorant
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>>127623115
And you're doing a very good job of reaching your goal, I've already learned that the game is hot garbage and doesn't look cool.
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>>127623315
you. are. a. freaking. cumtard.
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>>127616142
What are the PC requirements for emulating PS1 games smoothly anyway?

I have a Lenovo Ideapad Yoga 13. Can that play PS1 games smoothly? It can play 2DS games smoothly at 60 fps.
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>>127624512
>It can play 2DS games smoothly at 60 fps.
Not him, but you're probably fine if you can emulate a modern system, even if it's a handheld.
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>>127603801
Unfortunate. What ship do you use? Or is that one of the story ones, I'm terrible at telling the difference from screenshots.
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Post your favorite ships.
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>>127626939
>tfw there's almost no good pictures of the Kamui
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>>127603231
Why is Gradius 5 considered a classic?

Never played it, but whenever I see a top shmup list, I often see Gradius 5 on it.

Why 5? Why not the other entries?
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I'm still not sure how I feel about the game overall, but I do love how Strania's training mode lets you not just pick the stage you want to practice, but which part of the stage as well.
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>>127626939
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>>127627953
it's a way to like Iuchi games without seeming like a pleb
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>>127627953
Most shmup fans do actually like the other Gradiuses too. 1, 2, and Gaiden are all great, 4 is not bad, and 3 has some problems but is the hardest in the series.
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>>127627953
because it's the first time treasure made a good shmup that didn't have a retarded as fuck scoring system
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>Finally face Gigantic BIte for the first time
>Get brutally penetrated
RIP me
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I always wanted a thing called tuna sashimi
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>>127632117
Actually I find looping the game for hours and hours the most retarded scoring system of all. It completely trivializes anything you do from moment to moment because the only deciding factor to your score is how long your local game center is open for. What's even worse is they then decide some arbitrary stopping point like 10,000,000, which isn't even a counterstop, and stop counting anything after that mark. Congratulations, your 15,000,000 score that took you 9 hours is just as good as that guy's 10,000,000 score that took him 6 hours.

I have seen a few people who try to optimize their individual stages though, and that's pretty cool.
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>>127638314
That isn't the scoring system's fault, that's just a side-effect of an infinite looping shmup.
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Is there any shmup/part you are stuck at /shmupg/? Share your pain.

>mfw trying to 1cc ALLTYNEX Second Hard with Return Shot on
I can barely make it to Stage 3 without getting horribly murdered.
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>>127641769
i've never 1cc'd anything before and i'm trying to learn Batsugun as my first but i'm barely improving after several hours
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So is Ketsui just leagues harder than any other Cave game, or am I missing some mechanic that makes this actually possible?
Even some of the stage 2 and 3 patterns feel harder to me than endgame shit in dodonpachi
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>>127641769
Giving Futari 1.5 another push since last time I was trying it I got sidetracked in the home stretch. For some reason the stage 3 boss is giving more trouble than anything but the final boss.
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>>127642376
The only hard part about Cave games is how boring it is to memorize their patterns since they lack any kind of level design.
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>>127644001
Epic. Simply epic.
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>>127641769
DOJBL stage 3 midboss link
My consistency for actually pulling this off is at like 20%, and that's not good. Hopefully practice makes perfect.
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>>127628630
I like it when the practice modes are like that.
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Anyone play shmups on linux?

Considering switching from windows but shmups are the only thing holding me back
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>>127641769
I'm not really stuck at it, but I totally hate that part in Ikaruga at the beginning of stage 2, right after the short cutscene, where umpteens of enemies surround you in circles.

This part is annoying as fuck to chain, and a total difficulty spike. It's so close and requires so much precision that it's completely luck based for me if make it or not.
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I want to fill Reco-chan's insides with my sticky white fluid, shmupg~!
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>tfw you will never hug otakumode announcer girl
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>>127649069
She was qt as fuck
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>>127648215
I'm legitimately bad at that part. not just scoring, but it's not uncommon for me to lose a life there. it's annoying as shit.
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>>127652154
Not sure if you mean the same part, but without chaining it's no problem at all. I always try to chain it though, since otherwise the part would be just boring.
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>>127592027
Use good controller or at least comfortable for you. Play 10 hours a day.
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>>127655015
>Play 10 hours a day.
Jesus you must suck at this genre.
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>>127655542
Yeah, only scrubs like Clover-TAC need to practice that much.
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>>127655542
Ok, make it 4-5 hours.
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>>127641769
The "Battleship Bug" portion of Stage 3 in Mushihimesama
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>>127658141
So all of stage 3?
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>>127658204
Pretty much yeah. Honestly it feels harder than Stage 4.
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>>127658242
What difficulty? On original I didn't struggle too much until 5, but maniac is beating my ass.
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>>127658308
Normal because I'm shit at these games.
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>>127658350
Are you using formation or trace? Formation seems like the better option, but trace can be positioned to deal with the bugs that are coming from the sides of the screen and stuff like that.

What specifically are you having problems with?
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>>127658242
It's the hardest stage by far to score on all modes. Instead of having just one midboss where you raise the counter a lot you have to do that throughout the whole stage, and you have to stall a lot between sections or you lose everything. I never bothered learning it because it's too frustrating.

On Original you have this stupid trick that only superplayers do where you leave some of the parts alive at the beginning and they continuously spit out small bugs for you to destroy. Almost no one does it because it's extremely dangerous and dying costs you much more score than you get by doing the trick in the first place.
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>>127658308
>maniac
But maniac is 2ez.
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>>127658951
But I'm terrible
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>>127658469
>>127658892
Formation usually, and it's really just survival at the final segment when all 3 portions of the insect are firing at you at once. I mostly just play Mushihimesama when I'm taking a break from DBCS though, but honestly for the moment I think it's just a matter at getting better in general. I gotta focus on not dying before I can focus on scoring. Game is fun as hell at least.
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>>127641769
Daioujou BL, silly fuckups in 2nd loop.
I just want the 2nd loop clear and then move onto 2-ALL.
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http://store.steampowered.com/app/390730
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>>127659769
Huh, didn't realize that was finally getting brought over.
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>>127641769
CCWI Boost Arcade, always ran out of resources at stage 4 boss - first phase. These side turrets bullets are too fucking fast.
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>>127659995
seems like they made lots of gameplay changes too
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>>127660961
Good changes or bad, because I'd heard really good things about it before.
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>>127578427
This on a loop or something? I don't remember any of those enemies shooting missiles off of the screen.
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I'm thinking of getting the following shmups on Steam. Can you give me a "Yay" or "Nay" for each of them?

Vector Strain
REVOLVER360 RE:ACTOR
Crimzon Clover WORLD IGNITION
The Hurricane of the Varstray -Collateral hazard-
Strania - The Stella Machina -
Raiden IV: OverKill
Sora
Mushihimesama
Astebreed
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>>127666772
>Crimzon Clover WORLD IGNITION
>Raiden IV: OverKill
>Mushihimesama
These three I highly recommend, especially Raiden.

>Sora
This one I've heard good things about, but >>127660961 claims there have been gameplay changes.

>REVOLVER360 RE:ACTOR
This one's kinda meh, if you're on the fence about it I'd drop it.

>The Hurricane of the Varstray -Collateral hazard-
Haven't personally played it, but a friend of mine that has says he wasn't impressed.

The others I don't know enough about to comment.
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>>127661529
I would say it made the game harder. SB2 final phase is now trickier. Not a bad change if you ask me.

>>127666772
get CCWI and Sora
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Help me out /shmupg/. I'm interested in shmups that feature elements of other genres or feature design choices that make them completely unlike the typical shmup.

These can be true hybrid-genre games, but these can also be predominately traditional shmups with a little bit of something else mixed in.

They don't have to necessarily be that good, I'd still like to play them for myself. And even if they are obviously terrible I'd still like to know about them and catalog them.
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>>127669295

Sigma Star Saga (GBA). The shmup sections are the "random battles" for this game. Outside the shmup sections you control a human character running around 2D areas.
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>>127669295
Ikaruga
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>>127669295
Pic related, though I suppose there's exactly 1 part that isn't traditional, but whatever.

There's Nuclear Throne, which is a roguelike with some twinstick elements.

There's also a little unknown indie gem called Undertale, which has some shmup segments during the combat and will probably get this post shitposted at and cause a mild derail.
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>>127669295
Lethal Application is a peculiar game where you move around by shooting in the opposite direction, kind of like that one Maui Mallard level. The final boss is intense. It's freeware, check out the wiki.

There's also Sora, which just came out on Steam. It's a fast paced shooting game with lots of shot cancelling and a dash that bypasses beam weapons. There are a few weapons with continuous fire like in most shmups but the majority have recovery frames which can be shortened by dash cancelling. That makes it similar to action games like Mega Man Zero, minus the platforming.
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What's the problem with Raiden III again? I thought the biggest issue with it is that it's really meh.
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Can you all help me on Touhou 8?

I can't seem to get all time points required for stages 2/3/allothers no matter how much I try.

The problem overall is this: Getting time points during stages is easy, I just need to be human and kill everything. When a boss appears it gets complicated though. I usually switch to phantom but until I get my phantom gauge to 100% I already killed off one of the boss' stages. Then I try to graze everything (I literally move out of my way to graze them) but it's still not enough in the end and I end up 1000 time points away from the goal. What am I missing here?

I tried completing the bosses only as human because it seems to net way more time points than as a phantom, but it's still not enough and I still end up lacking time points (all that while dying every now and then because human mode is too fast)
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>>127674510
You get time points when you end a boss' stage, though it could just be spellcards, so use that to switch to phantom rather than switching by shooting. Other than that, your best bet is just not dying since that will make you drop time.
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>>127674908
So I should just do the fight while human and when the spellcard is about to end I go phantom mode to finish off and continue as phantom?

That sounds interesting although I'm not sure if it would really net me the 1k time points I am missing, but I'll try
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>>127674992
It might, since you'll be getting all the time from shooting as human and dying less afterwards. Are you sure you're doing well in the stages?
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>>127675113
Anon I was missing 2000 this time, what the heck

And yes I'd say so. I mean, what is doing well? I'm pretty new to Touhou but during stages I just kill everything while picking up stuff on the collection zone

Also I am not dying even once, I'm tying this on Stage 2 Normal so it's pretty difficult to die
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>>127674510
>>127674992
>>127675563
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Strategy#Time_Points
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>>127675563
Might be worth watching some replays mate
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>>127641769
Ketsui 1st loop, stupid misses on stage 3 and 4 don't asure 2nd loop survival.
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>>127675890
I do and I still can't figure out what they do

Actually I realized that during boss fights they keep switching between phanton and human repeatedly, literally smashing the shift button over and over multiple times a second apparently, but when I try that it does nothing at all. I assume it's for them to have better control over movement or something

It's sort of ridiculous because in replays they end up with 2k time points more than they need while I am here doing the same things and missing 2k, it looks like I am missing something major here

>>127675697
This entire slave thing is confusing, I tried going through the entire stage 1 without killing anything, they just appear on the screen, shoot and then leave, there's no slave spawning involved
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>>127676191
>This entire slave thing is confusing, I tried going through the entire stage 1 without killing anything, they just appear on the screen, shoot and then leave, there's no slave spawning involved
Ever notice that some enemies disappear when you killed another enemy? Those enemies that disappear are the slaves. Leave them alive and kill the "master" enemies. That's what I meant by "doing well in the stages"; for most stages I've met the requirement before starting the boss fight.
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>>127676439
Oh, those shiny things? I think I know what those are

Guess I have to constantly switch between phantom and human to kill all enemies while human and avoid killing slaves. Meh, this sounds like a boring mechanic to be honest, I can't even 1cc this on normal difficulty and now I have the extra challenge of being forced to adopt a certain playstyle
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>>127672308
>I thought the biggest issue with it is that it's really meh.

Pretty much that. I don't think Raiden III is bad. It keeps things simple, but it also keeps things simple, you know? I think that works against it. Maybe because it was a new start for the series going into 3D. Also, R3's Green Proton Laser is SHIT.

Raiden IV seems to cut loose more, OverKill adds more features, and not only is the Plasma Laser back, the Proton Laser was overhauled so that it's not garbage.
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>>127669838
>>127670116

Thanks. Never heard of most of these (all except Nuclear Throne and Undertale) and some are pretty interesting. Checking out Sora right now.

Has there ever been a shmup which is tries to be like action adventure games and/or RPGs in the sense of having a persistent, explorable areas? But not in a separate "mode" that switches to different gameplay.
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>>127669838
Most of the shitposting about Undertale (on /v/ at least) is blatant false flagging anyway.
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Well anyway fuck touhou 8 so much, this experience is so awful that I'll just quite the shmup genre overall

>play touhou 7
>very fun however very difficult
>go to touhou 8
>very fun and the difficult is just at the right spot
>I can never finish it for some reason
>look it up
>fucking time mechanic
>now I die multiple times in stages 1 2 and 3 because I am forced to wait 9 hours while enemies spawn their slaves in order to progress

Fucking dropped, why do they HAVE to ruin a good game with mechanics that force players to adopt certain playstyle, holy shit, I ragequit this
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>>127677885
What do you mean "finish it"? Isn't the time mechanic for the boss "last words", which is just for bonus challenge?
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>>127677885
There's no need for a temper tantrum; you don't have to play for score. Just chill and try to have fun.
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>>127678117
>chill and try to have fun
>while dealing with the endings that say "YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER

>>127678071
I never get to find the final boss because I arrive too late
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>>127678196
>>chill and try to have fun
>>while dealing with the endings that say "YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER
Are you really being triggered by a video game about poorly drawn anime girls shooting lasers and stars at each other? If you're not having fun with the games at all, maybe you should just stop as there's not much that can be done to change that.
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>>127669838
>Undertale
Gr8 b8 m8.
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>>127678196
> I never get to find the final boss because I arrive too late

I'd just focus on not using continues then. If you can 1cc the first 5 stages, you will make it to the final stage without running out of time. Since there are two versions of the final stage (final A and final B) and you need to 1cc in order to both reach and complete Final B you might as well stick with that approach.

If you want to use continues and are getting this frustrated over the time mechanics, then its time to adjust the starting lives and difficulty level.
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>>127647585
Most shmups run good on WINE, I've noticed.
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>>127679870
Edit: to add, I never bothered paying attention to the time mechanics when I played until years and years later. I honestly can't recommend someone do so either their first time.

I also seem to recall that difficulty levels play a weird role in how easy or hard it is to get time bonuses, to the point where I felt it for some stages it was either incredibly difficult or virtually guaranteed depending on my difficulty level. Again, don't worry about it and try to play the game as if it is only about not getting hit.
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Where do I download the touhou games?
Is there a torrent that has everything translated and stuff?

Sorry for the stupid question.
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>>127682645
Just Google "Touhou games download," the first result has them all.
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>>127682645
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=touhou+torrent
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>>127669295
Kingdom Grandprix.
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>>127683034
>>127683110

Okay, sorry guys. ;_;
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>>127669838
>unironically recommending garbage
this is why this thread fails (along with the 2hu subhumans leaking from /jp/)
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How long until Cave announces DS' release date?

Fuck throw me a bone here
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>>127683643
Nah, you got it easy. At least you haven't got shit on and insulted for being a lazy piece of shit to do simple searches with Google for five minutes in 2016.

>>127684565
I think Degica announced the release to be somewhere around March (assuming that you're talking about Deathsmiles).
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>>127658350
give arrange a shot. for some reason I'm better in arrange than novice
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dead general
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>Sora steam release was yesterday
>leaderboard record holder has already 40+ hours
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>>127685582

Mainly I just wanted to know if you guys had made a torrent or a download like you have for shmupmame for this stuff.
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>>127687165
You're always welcome in the /vr/ thread, you don't even have to play pre-2000 shmups to post there.
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Map of all areas in DBCS's CS Mode. I might be closer to the end than I thought.

Swiped from here: https://twitter.com/DegiGames/status/684488049313579008
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>>127692259
I was actually just looking over that and pointing out the areas that I'm stuck at.

I've cleared Taurama and Barai as far as dead ends go.
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>>127626939
Vic Viper is still one of my favorites.
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>>127687975
The torrents for the Touhou shmups have always been available and the torrents are even on Pirate Bay. Hell, you can even download them from a lot of websites. So, we don't have to make our own collection for those games.
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>like Battle Garegga's music, aesthetics and generally everything
>dont want to deal with rank manipulation
What do /vg/?
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>>127697586
Just play it.
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>>127652446
well I shouldn't have said it's not uncommon for me to lose a life there, but if I lose a life before the stage 2 boss or the beginning of stage 3 it's probably at that part
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>>127697586
You only need to intentionally die or/and bomb at times to have a rank you want, if I'm not wrong.
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>>127637025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45D4jyKqcPA
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>>127697586
>he can't NMNB-clear Battle Garegga
Kill yourself, pleb.
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>>127697586
BG is pretty boring. Go play Bakraid instead
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I want to hug Reco-chan and tell her that her degenerate lifestyle of riding beetles while using provocative clothes with no underwear is perfectly fine.
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>>127699121
That wasn't the part I was talking about. This part is easy to chain (except you go for advanced chaining there).

I was talking about the part shortly after the short cutscene, where the enemies surround you in circles and come closer and closer.
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>>127699121
>>127706631
<---- This is the part I was talking about.
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>>127708414
Man, Ikaruga enemies are so autistic.

>let's just float around in "cool" patterns, totally not a puzzle game, guys
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>RefleX
Man I really do not like this game as much as Kamui
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>>127710314
dem 2 final stages tho
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>>127710120
>complaining about AI in a schmup
It's like you are really new to the genre
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>>127710120
I don't get why calling Ikaruga a puzzle is seen as an insult by people.
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>>127710314
What do you not like about it?

The only thing I disliked is having to pretty much do the last fight of the game perfectly. It really stings to blow up at the very end and have to play the entire game all over again.
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>>127710747
I don't either, that shit is weird

>>127710476
Hell if I can get that far

>>127710786
The game seems balanced around the shield so I'm having difficulty just dodging stuff in general.
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>>127711479
Is there any part in general you're having troubles with? RefleX is all about managing that shield, knowing when you can safely let it recharge and what patterns of bullets you should redirect back at the bosses.

Also your shield recharges faster if you're not firing in case you didnt know.
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>>127711931
It was mostly just dodging without the use of shield, also does the shield reflect projectile attacks (missiles and such)?

I sampled ALLTYNEX Second just now though and that has some cool stuff going on so I think I want to put time into that in the coming future.
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>>127713532
Shield protects against everything that's not a Missile, touching enemies and maybe those explosive bombs but I havent gotten hit by them to confirm.
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I fucking hate these things.
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>>127669295
don't forget The Guardian Legend
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>>127710476
Easily the best stages of the trilogy.
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This fucking game. It's just fucking tuned to make you as angry as possible.

Nothing LOOKS that hard. But thats just an illusion because this game is fucking sadistic. Half of the time you die to the brutal patterns, the other half just feels like complete bullshit as you get clipped by bullets that feel like you should have dodged.

I'm usually pretty chill when it comes to shmups but this game just works me into a fucking rage.
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RELEASE THE RESTRAIN DEVICE
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so is batsugun special version the definitive release or do some people actually prefer the original

has anyone here done a 4-all?
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>>127725232
original is better, no shield no boring loops no 1x1 hitbox like cave shit
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>>127726276
but i like cave shit
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>>127724608
Are there any top-down shmups that use the entirety of the screen rather than just 1/3rd of it?
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>>127728308

Mars Matrix and Giga Wing come to mind. But those are 4:3.

I believe Jamestown is the only 16:9 one but that game wasn't very fun for me.
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>>127672308
Stages and soundtrack are pretty dull, green laser is shit, ship moves too slow for blue laser to be worth using
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>>127728308
well you can always rotate the screen, that way it uses up 80% of the screen
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>>127727296
sucks to be you, brah

go play a good toaplan like hishouzame and tatsujin instead of caveshit like v-v and batsugun
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>>127724608
Yeah, your hitbox is huge in this game. At least for the kind of shit it throws at you.
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>>127728308
The thing is that it's a vert, if you set your monitor/tv to tate mode and rotate the image you'll use up the whole thing.

>>127734589
Isn't it like 6x6 compared to the usual 4x4?
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>>127728308
Google "vertizontal"

Twinbee Yahoo comes to mind. Most console shmups are also 4:3.
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>>127724608
I have been playing it lately also and its definitely hard.
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SDOJ > DOJ > DFK > DP > DDP
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>>127744579
DOJ > DDP > DP > SDOJ > DFK
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>decide to play Mamorukun Curse
>can't even clear Story Mode on 1-star difficulty

Someone send me a helium tank. I am trash at this genre. In no other genre do the games beat me. It is time to end it all.
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Post your favorite run-enders.
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>>127724608

Post more pictures of this semen demon.
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hey guys pls help, I tried to get into these games because they looked fun, but hten I put in a credit and didn't win the game on my first attempt. I think I'm just gonna quit the genre :(
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>>127747346
Powerup-chan just wants you to notice her
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>>127749190
At least try for a week before you give up.
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>>127748121
>not hikari
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>>127749875
sorry I'm not a pedo
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>>127749190
Sounds like you're better off playing the touhou games, which are for the casual shmupper that wants to take it easy.
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>>127749875
I prefer actual women, not teenage girls.
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>>127750328
>I prefer actual women
But you're still posting an anime babe
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>>127724608
>Posted this screencap to some waifu shitter earlier just set up his expectations about cute anime girls
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Any torrent/MEGA/mediafire/etc links for Sora?
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>>127753948

AN INTRUDER HAS PENETRATED OUR FORCEFIELD
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Looks like dlc got announce for dariusburst.
.
http://darius.jp/dbcs/
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>>127754612
The jews just won't stop jewing, will they?
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>>127754612
Taking bets on how much it costs, I'm guessing $20.
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>>127755610
$50
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>>127755610
>>127755697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOHqG1nc_tw
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>>127740904
Not really. Most of the vertical console shmups are ports. Ports that have to be redesigned will have a giant status display on-screen to offset the playfield. Ports that try to be accurate will have some kind of vertical mode.
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>>127755697
THIS ONE'S FOR THE LAWYERS, THE DOCTORS, THE BANKERS, TAKE OUT YOUR WALLETS, FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
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>>127728308
Most games do. Thing is, they're supposed to be 3:4 instead of 4:3.
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>>127672308
Just a long string of excuses that have culminated in everyone needing to hate the game. It's actually better than IV in some ways, such as IV's charge shot being kinda degenerate, IV being somewhat unfinished, etc.
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>>127666772
Definitely get REVOLVER360. It is a highly unusual game that, unlike so many highly unusual games, has a really competent designer behind it.
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>>127755419
>>127755610
>>127755697
>>127756698
>hurr shooting games are not allowed to cost as much as other games
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>>127757314
You're right, they should definitely charge more than what people are willing to pay.
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>>127757314
>defending $50 for a digital game
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>>127757398
5k copies at $50 seems quite decent (for a shmup)
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Saviors is shit and not worth the $.50 I got it for.
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What do you do when you feel like you've hit a wall?
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>>127757314

>he paid fifty united states obongos for a download

Well I'm sorry anon but not everyone is a land baron like you.
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>>127762734
Either power through it while listening to a stream/music or take a break for a day or two.
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>>127762734
you could play sand scorpion, it makes you realize that being stuck on this wall isn't so bad after all
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My favorite shmups are the ones where you play as a cute anime girl.
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>>127763702
Wipe off the blood and come on in, feel free to post about your accomplishments just try not to go full /jp/ about it.
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>>127763289
I didn't even buy Darius, but when The Witcher 3 or whatever fucking meme "game" costs so much, people also don't complain.
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>>127763768

What's wrong with jaypee? It's a legit board if you want to discuss Comiket and VNs.

>>127764020

Well I didn't bought Wicher 3 so...
>>
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>>127764230
>What's wrong with jaypee?
Nothing, so long as the cuteposting and >"what 2hu wud fug" doesn't overtake the entire thread.
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>>127767150
sakuya, why do you ask?
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>>127764338
20 bucks in 1990 would be 36 bucks now
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>>127767578
I'd be more interested in sakuya fucking me desu

>tfw sakuya will never peg you while jerking you off
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>>127767794
>tfw you'll never be mothered by ran
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>>127767794

>he's not into loli femdom

Wew lad.
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>>127747346
I sure love getting hit by missiles coming in from off-screen.
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>>127757398
That's sad.
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How do you pronounce Gradius /vg/?
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>>127783980
Like graduation
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>>127784428
So I've been pronouncing it wrong this whole time?
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>>127786086
Like most people.
I get triggered whenever I hear someone say graydius now.
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any good shmups I can play on 3DS?
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>>127787218
Nanostray 2
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>>127784428
>>127786086
Man, Gradius and Darius have weird pronunciations.
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>>127788268
Darius is the weirdest

daraiasu
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>>127783980
Grade-e-as or something similar.
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>>127783980
Gray-dee-us
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What shmup has the prettiest bullets?
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>>127795002
That's a difficult question, but I like how the bullets look in Danmaku Unlimited 2.
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>>127795002
Battle Garegga.
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>>127795807
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>>127641769
I nearly 1cc'd Ibara but fucked up at the 4th stage.
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>>127795002
Garegga, but I'd say Crimzon Clover aswell.
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>>127795748
Considering that's all you can see for the most part, they better be.
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>>127798492
But why Garegga? Those are hard to see and rather standard fare.
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>>127754612
What is the event mode supposed to be, by the way? Is it DLC related or is something cool gonna happen on a certain date?
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>>127805749
Because thats the joke.
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How difficult is it to clear the Tatsujin games?
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Slow day today, eh /shmupg/?
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>>127812891
too difficult

the arcade version of truxton is a pain in the fucking ass especially without autofire
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>>127626484
Not him, but the preset ship for that mission is the Next Silver-Hawk, judging by the icons he just went with the preset.
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>>127812891
I'm told they're some of the hardest clears in the genre.
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>>127820602
You were told wrong.

They're hard for '80s/early '90s shmup standards, though.
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>>127754612
Ships? Soundtracks? Going by Space Invaders: Infinity Gene on iOS, I hope it's both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QIt3ji_5KU&index=6&list=PLUPwBkQKCRM6HcCpAL1udnbCMJ2rFasZQ
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>>127754612
if its really fuckin cheap (im talking single digit dollars here) and has content from all these games, im happy

i want the soundtracks to all of these in the game
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This track is ear rape and I love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CET-2zHVFyA

>>127821646
If I were to wager a guess I'd assume it's new ships+missions for CS mode, which would also come with music. I'd like some new bosses too actually.
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>>127795002
I know this is a bait, Touhou
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>>127817512
It wouldn't work with blue weapon. The same with Fire Shark red weapon you need to push the button.
Learn to rapid shooting you autofire scum
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>>127826067
i have RSI but seriously just bind one standard fire key and one autofire key and that solves the problem
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Keep your dignity /shmupg/
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Just cleared Mushihimesama in novice original. Dat dere Reco.

Which mode and difficulty should i go for next?
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>>127839016
Gratz! Now go for Novice or Original Maniac.
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>>127839016
Congrats, now you're ready for Ultra!
But seriously, dont do it.
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>>127839301
>>127839724
Thanks!

Question: between Normal original and Novice Maniac, which one is harder? I want to go from easier to harder to get as much fun as i can from the game.
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>>127840340
Nevermind, i'll find myself. Thanks nonetheless.
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>>127841717
I'm sorry anon, I have failed you.
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>>127840340
Good luck, anon.
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>DBCS doesn't have B.T. DUTCH from G.Darius

Missed opportunity.
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>>127844913
I haven't heard Adam once either. I am sad so far senpai.
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>>127821420
According to google translate is ships, stages, weapons, and music from those games.
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>>127845953
Adam is definitely in. Check one of the lengthier Genesis areas in CS Mode.

That's a good final boss theme. Still disappointed B.T. DUTCH wasn't included.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d8d5CdyAKA

>>127847220
>According to google translate is ships, stages, weapons, and music from those games.

Can't wait to rock out with the Inter Gray from Night Striker.
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>>127848859
The Genesis missions don't seem to show up very often. It's just Origin out the ass. Hopefully soon then.
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>>127754612
>Metal Black
FUCK YEAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9q1iKTBSco
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Test since 4chan is giving me that "temporarily offline" message.
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Hey /vg/, are there any open-world shmups or anything similar?
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Anyone here played this? Friend of mine played it, but didn't have much to say on it.
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>>127861609
Tyrian, DariusBurst Chronicle Saviors kinda
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>>127839724
>tfw you'll never find out how the fuck Dame K.K got over 1 billion in Ultra

That's about the highest score I've seen for Maniac and you're much more free to focus on scoring instead of not dying in Maniac.
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>>127861609
Guardian Legend and Twinkle Star Sprites sort of, they have an overworld essentially

Darius series has level selection

Or things like Time Pilot where you technically can freely fly in a map that scrolls (and eventually loops) in whatever direction you go but I hope I'm not getting your hopes up about Time Pilot.
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>>127840340
All the novice modes are much easier than any of the non-novice modes. I cleared novice ultra on my first try, which is more than I could have said for normal Original mode.

from easiest to hardest

Novice Original
Novice Maniac
Novice Ultra
PS2 Arrange
1.0 Original
1.5 Original
360 Arrange
1.0 Maniac
1.5 Maniac
1.5 Maniac MAX
1.5 Original MAX
1.0 Ultra
1.5 Ultra
1.5 Ultra MAX
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>>127863715
>maniac harder than original
u wot
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>>127864990
Why wouldn't it be?
Maniac popcorn turn into absolute cunts starting stage 4
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>>127861642
Yes, hard as fuck.
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Gigantic Bite is hard
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>>127863715
1.5 original is easier than 1.0
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>>127867563
I agree if you're talking about the first two stages
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>>127867706
Difficulty usually goes 1.5 > 1.0 > 1.5 MAX
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>>127868309
Yeah I just tried stage 5 1.5 and it's definitely easier because all the bullets are super slow now.

But stage 3's enemy placement just seems like it was designed to fuck over everyone who played 1.0
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Is there any way to set up a local only Cabinet for Dariusburst on Steam? I get why you'd want to have the server-side ones, but it would be nice to have a locally stored one to plink at for a few years, or tackle with local bros.
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>>127666772
Vector Strain is garbage. My first Steam refund.
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Does anyone use a arcade stick? Does anyone know of any cheap ones?
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>>127876891
price usually equates with quality, anon. Part quality, response time, and longevity. If you're going to sink a lot of time in fighting games and shmups, then view your stick as an investment. I still use my original SF4 TE and it has held up great after many many many hours of use.
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>>127877125
This.
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>>127877125
Thought as much. Might give me a finally reason to get into Street Fighter. Cheers.
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Does anyone know the best intervals to set in Mushihimesama? I currently have rapid shot set to trigger time 2 interval 3 and rapid full auto to trigger time 1 interval 2. Is that correct? Backwards? Is it autism?
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>>127880947
Best for rapid shot is 1/2
Rapid full auto doesn't matter unless you're scoring Maniac or Ultra, and I think the optimal rate changes based on your distance from the target anyway.
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>>127881258
Alright. I'm not very interested in scoring, but I like getting it as high as I can while going for the one sissy. If it changes based on range then I'll just learn to mash the button.

Thanks for the answers.
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>>127881714
>I'll just learn to mash the button.
Some people prefer to play without auto, but it's physically impossible to get as good a result by just mashing, because getting the button presses and releases evenly spaced is just as important to making the scoring tricks work. If you just go all out on the C button nothing happens, and it's pretty much impossible for a human to do evenly spaced button inputs at the same kind of speed you can get with autofire.

Take a look at these numbers >>127862048
The non-auto records aren't even 50% of the overall records.
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>>127881714
>>127882332
Also if you're just going for a 1cc then none of this matters because you're not going to be doing advanced scoring tricks that put you at unnecessary risk anyway.
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>>127881714
Then you don't need rapidfire, dummy.
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>>127841717
Sorry anon, I fell asleep, but let me tell you and if you are reading this, the diference is simple, original is more macrododge based, while maniac is more micro, patterns are more dense on maniac and you got more blitter delay while on original patterns are reallu fast and scoring is based on no missing all stages, so yeah for me maniac is easier.
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>>127882667
>>127889171
The idea was that while working towards my clear, I'll also work on getting the best score I can. However, I'm now realizing I'm sabotaging myself by trying to route for what meager score I can get without having some safety to fall back on.
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>>127891023
Most of the big scoring happens during midbosses, so you could just learn those.
It's not hard to maintain the chain after midbosses, it might fall by a few 10k if you don't have a solid route but you'll never lose it entirely.
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>>127891786
Alright, I'll start doing that then. Thanks for the advice, anon.
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Man, I started sucking at TH7 again.
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How far are you guys in CS mode anyway?
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>>127905673
Just cleared Isemura. Going by the map >>127692518 posted, I'm not far off from the last area. Which I hear is rough as fuck.

I haven't been playing AC Mode at all lately. I need to get to that sometime.
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>>127907585
Oh hell you're way farther than I am, I'm trying to clear Chimaunoshi right now. Also is it me or is the Assault Silver-Hawk a lot easier to counter burst with than the other ships?
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MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW
MEOW
MEOWMEOW
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>>127865264
The bullets are generally much slower than in OG.

Maniac is almost like playing a 2hu, while OG is like playing classic Toaplan. Ultra is just BS.
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>>127909358
They're slower but not THAT much slower.

Ultra bosses are bullshit, the stages are just a natural step up from maniac, you need a stricter route to avoid getting trapped.
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>>127909358
Slower yeah, but still a lot faster than Touhou will usually get, with more than Touhou will throw at you, and with a few bullets that will hang back and clutter the screen still.

Maniac isn't so much harder than original, but it's definitely harder overall.
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>Kamiya's pick

lel
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>>127912759
>Just realized that Gradius is Engrish for "Gladius", which means sword
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>>127912759
How can one man be so based?
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>>127913050
>>127912993
The full list, by the way.
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>>127913795
>Goichi Suda
>Hotline Miami 2
Bullshit, not even the Hotline Miami speed runners liked that game.
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>>127905127
Good luck anon.
I never managed to stop sucking.
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>>127908942
Assault? You must mean a different ship, Assault's Spark Burst can't counter anything. But its Burst Finish can do surprisingly high damage, even to bosses.

Been trying to finish a boss using that to scoop that a 96x multiplier. It's tricky. Still haven't done that with Gaiden's Black Hole bomb, either.
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>>127917062
Actually Spark Burst can be used for counters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJ-PX1GETU

It does a metric assload of damage
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>>127918536
Well, shit. I need to play Assault more now. I always assumed I couldn't counter with that because of how it's a different Burst weapon.
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>>127634746
At least your first encounter with Gigantic Bite wasn't like mine, where I was using Origin. That went fucking terribly.
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>>127919732
Oh I refused to use the Origin after a certain point, fuck that noise.
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I hate yet to see a Whip variant outside of EX mode.
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>tfw you keep making the same mistakes in every run
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>tfw I'll never be consistent at this
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>>127862095
AND BY TWINKLE STAR SPRITES I OBVIOUSLY MEANT SIGMA STAR SAGA

Look I just have Twinkle Star Sprites on the mind don't judge me.
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Which is better

Touhou
Or
Otomedius
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>>127932183
Parodius
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>>127898665
>Have all 3 eXceed games on Steam
>Only played the 3rd game for 31 minutes

Suppose I could start those and play them on the side in the middle of DBCS, Mushi, and Strania.
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>When you die during the first level
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>>127935669
fultra is a pretty cool game
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>>127935669
How shameful.
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>>127935669
i used to not be able to get past the first level of battle garegga without dying

im pretty retarded
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>Le Stage 3 face
Tfw bad at video games
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>>127941456
It's alright anon, those butterfly things that swarm the screen are assholes.
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>>127935669
>and still get 1cc
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Oh, so that's how burst dueling works.
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>>127942289
Only with the Genesis Silver-Hawk (and by extension in G-Darius). With the other ships (Legend, Next, Assault, Formula) you have to time your burst fire with theirs by either taking it head on or firing as you strafe into their beams. The Murakumo is the easiest to burst counter with since you just fire the damn thing into theirs with no risk involved.

>>127941590
Also I just learned that keeping the head alive as you kill the two forelegs, then killing the head grants you a 1-up so that's cool. Any other 1-ups to be earned in the first two levels? Those sure would be nice.
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>>127942289
its just not as good as g-darius

in g-darius it fills up the whole fucking screen
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>>127943318
You get two score-based extends at 2.5 and 5 million.
That's the only secret 1-up though. You get 5 lives for the whole game.
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>>127941023
>tfw the fucking tank in stage 2 always gets me
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>>127943318
>Also I just learned that keeping the head alive as you kill the two forelegs, then killing the head grants you a 1-up so that's cool. Any other 1-ups to be earned in the first two levels? Those sure would be nice.

No, the only extra lives in Mushihimesama are the Extends earned through score, and the 1UP during that bit at the very end of Stage 3. As per Cave tradition.
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>>127944764
Ikeda: rehashing the same shump since 1993!
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>>127944997
He got the idea from Psikyo
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>>127931286
Fight me on Fightcade, bitch.
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>>127945143
How about we take turns playing Twinkle Star Sprites together instead.
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>>127941661
>saving the run after a disastrous start
Is there a better feeling out there?
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>>127951656
I don't know that feel because I always reset in frustration
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>>127935669
>reach the final stage with an unprecedent amount of lives
>lose them like a retard due to pressure
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>>127932183
Depends the title, but in most cases Touhou.

Ultimately Otomedius would only be the better choice if you want a super easy Gradius like shooter with cute girls.
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>dreamed I made it to and was fighting evaccaneer DOOM
>started with 4 lives
>lost them all and game overed before I even reached the final stage
>tfw can't even 2-ALL in my dreams
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>>127941456
If you think that's hard just wait until you reach stage 4 and 5.
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>>127954786
I've beaten 4, it's not as bad and I've played through much of 5 albeit I don't remember a lot of it. 3 feels harder than 4 for me.
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>>127954975
Think of it this way: you can get an extra life from the humongous insect monster in stage 3.
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>>127955191
We've actually gone over this, but thanks
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>>127627953
>>127631579
As a kid one of my first systems was a hand-me-down snes with random games. Gradius 3 was one of them and I was instantly hooked. So my 6 year old ass played that shit constantly (children are basically neets) and I eventually beat it. Stopped play shmups for a while and went back and Jesus Christ I got rusty.
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>>127944764
Lol, I was trying to speedkill that ship during a run to get 5 extra helis and for some reason it didn't give me the 1up despite of destroying everysingle part of it, guess I actually have to destroy the bridge at the end. fml.
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Is it just me or are the bullets in Kamui hard to see at times?
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>>127912759
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/arcade-archives-gradius/cid=UP0571-CUSA02307_00-HAMPRDC000000001?smcid=pdc:us-en:pdc-games-detail-arcade-archives-gradius-ps4:leadproductinfo-buy-download:arcade-archives-gradius:up0571-cusa02307_00-hamprdc000000001
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How do you properly hold an arcade stick?
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>>127967835
>hold
Stop.
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>>127941456
Stage 3 is usually where I make the worst mistakes. If I can make it through that, I'll usually get to stage 5 before I run out of resources.
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>>127968371
Should he levitate the stick instead?
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>>127971191
All the best player's do. It's very important when going for score.
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>>127968371
I meant how to grasp the actual stick part.
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>>127973194
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>>127967835
You can hold the joystick in many ways you want, even if it will look retarded to someone else. As long as you find that perfect position which you'll be comfortable with while playing games, then you're set, no matter how bizzare it may look.
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god i love dariusburst

i love how second is just as overpowered in this game as it was in darius 2, its the best ship in the game
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>>127975198
Second and Genesis are my favorites. I love that easy counterburst.
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>>127975553
oh yeah genesis is great too, murakumo would be great if the main weapons didnt suck
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>>127964669
They can be, but there are worse games in that aspect.
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>>127975198
Yeah Second is dumb as hell but it's not as fun as Next or Assault imo.
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>>127979691
really? for me none of the dariusburst ships are actually fun

though origin is certainly the worst of them all
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>>127967835

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsME37GrqjY
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>>127980872
Well of course it isn't. Origin is the most barebones and has the maximum git gud required. Second is just bullshit strong and is the pointblank king. Gaiden is cool and I really enjoyed Darius Gaiden but is honestly kind of bland since it just feels the most generic of them all--shoot shoot shoot and bomb to screen clear. Genesis and Murakumo are the helmet ships. Legend is Ryu but honestly after getting used to the Next the Legend is really awkward since the fixed burst is slow and has inverted aim. Good at pointblanking I guess since the bombs are faster and not homing. Next's fixed burst being easier to aim actually makes it more of a crutch now that I think about it. Assault is FUN because Spark Burst feels easy to counter with (for me) and the finish is cool and does a million damage. I haven't used the Formula a lot honestly.

>>127967835
Go for comfort. I personally hold this stick between my ring and pinky fingers.
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>>127981460
i actually do like gaiden too

if you use the same strategy as in darius gaiden (don't power up too much) you're pretty much golden

i just cant get the timing right on any ship (except the two obvious ones) when it comes to counterbursts and it pisses me off
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>>127981926
It takes practice. I think Iron Fossil is the easiest ship to practice against because on top of being an easy boss in general, the tell for it using its burst cannon is really obvious and it uses the beam pretty early on in its attack cycle. You can try to meet the enemy bursts head on but honestly it's easier to just let them fire first, then strafe into their beam and fire your burst as you do it. With the Assault Silverhawk since you fire a single attack instead of a beam like the others, you can actually counter burst repeatedly against a single attack for a shitload of damage. As for the Formula Silver-Hawk, honestly it doesn't seem all that crazy aside from being short-ranged and sanic fast. Its burst mechanics are the same as the Legend and the Next. Assault lacks a Fixed Burst like the others because its Spark Burst can be used both offensively and defensively, rather than having two dedicated burst buttons like the others. That's really why I like it so much.
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>>127982452
>>127981926
Also it's worth nothing that with the Genesis there are two things you need to keep in mind
- You cannot fire your burst unless your gauge is full
- Once fired, you cannot stop until your gauge is depleted.

The others let you activate whenever you please, they just chew through their meter more quickly along with the aforementioned timing requirements.

Obviously none of this shit applies to the Murakumo.
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I just downloaded the Gradius Collection for my jailbreaked PSP-3000.

Which of the games in the collection are best and which are ones I should avoid?

Here are the games in the collection:

Gradius (1985)
Gradius II: Gofer's Ambition (1988)
Gradius III: From Legend to Myth (1989)
Gradius Gaiden (1997)
Gradius IV: Resurrection (1999)
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>>127982976
III and IV are balls to the wall hard, and you're going to have to put a lot of time in to get anywhere with them. Start with either the original or II.
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Which game should I start with, homies?
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>>127984719
Eschatos or Strania.
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>>127984719
Are you that anon from the previous thread who made an identical post? Even the image filename is the same.
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>>127987068
I thought the post looked similar.
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>>127568372
I liked final the best because of the creepy multi ending shit and the unlockable ships. They just didn't unlock fast enough if you ask me.

also giant lasers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rqSZ2uzgWY&index=20&list=PLABDCBCD1D46B8435
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Reached Aki, the 1cc is close I can feel it.
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>>127993290
What mode?
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>>127994769
Maniac, been at it since the fall semester ended.
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>>127994839
Nice, I'm sure you'll get it soon. I like how you can macro a lot of his 1st phase attacks in maniac. It's pretty funny to see this elaborate pattern that you're supposed to get between and dodge, but you just go to the side of it.
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>>127995015
Yeah. I was listening to a discussion with some Good Players™ and they say that Maniac Aki is the easiest of him, so if that's true I can easily see getting through it so long as I stop fucking up the stage 4 boss and the area between the stage 5 midboss and Aki.
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New guy, recommend me steam games.
Bullet hell or traditional, it's all good.

It would be cool to have a pastebin for this kind of question, you guys should make one.
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>>127995220
That sounds about right, he has a few nasty attacks in Original Mode. I always fail at going through those fast lines at the end.

I think the stage 4 boss is probably the biggest dick of maniac mode, even really good players bomb that one.
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>>127996368
SATAZIUS
eXceed 2nd -Vampire REX
Gundemonium Recollection
Mushihimesama

If you also don't mind camera perspective changes, consider Ether Vapor Remaster and Astebreed.

I'd also recommend Jamestown if it wasn't for that "grey bullets" bug.
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>>127996368
Tales of Alltynex (Alltynex Second, RefleX, Kamui (especially Kamui))
Crimzon Clover World Ignition
Dariusburst Chronicle Saviours (yes, it's worth the price if you can afford it)
Eschatos
eXceed 3rd - Jade Penetrate Black Package
Gundemonium Recollection
Jamestown (this is probably the friendliest for a new player)
Luftrausers
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug X
Mushihimesama
Raiden IV
Revolver360 Re:Actor
Satazius
Zenohell

Most of those are bullet hell, since that seems to be all that anyone makes these days. We should work on making a "newbie friendly" pastebin, but it won't be all (or likely even mostly) Steam games.
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>>127997727
>"grey bullets" bug.
I'll admit I haven't heard of this, how does it happen and can it be fixed?
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>>127998125
The devs broke the game with an update 6 months ago and the issue still hasn't been fixed. The only fix there is AFAIK is to revert the game to the beta version aka. Legacy version.
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>>127997727
>>127997857

Thanks guys, these will do.
I have also downloaded a shitload of shmups for mame.

I was surprised when I saw how many arcade shmups there are, compared to beat em ups. Had no idea they were so popular. Feels good.
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What do you all think of Hard Corps Uprising?
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>>127998571
Really? My version is up to date and enemy bullets are still colored. Does it happen after reaching a certain point in game or something?
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>>127999261
No, it seems to be like that for the entire game.
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>>128000242
It's probably an issue with GPUs or something, then. Regardless, >>127996368 >>127998965 You should take a caveat that Jamestown might be a lot harder/more boring for you than it is on my end.
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I hate semi-aimed bullets
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RIP
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>>128002680
They're the worst.
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>>127999095
I dont know why, but I remember really wanting to play this game a while back but never got around to it. It's probably for the best, I suck at Contra.
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>gradius 6 will never exist.
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>>128009596
Gradius V really bugs me, they got rid of the themed stages that the series always had and almost every stage has you going through the same mechanical base style areas, it's so monotonous.

Also no Moai stage is heresy.
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>>128010095
I'm the opposite. The more bullet hell styled bullets, and smaller hitbox is a step forward in the gameplay. I never liked gradius when I was younger. Liked parodius though.

That said you're kind of right. Lots of the same stuff.
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Why does Gradius have Moai levels?
Who even came up with that idea?
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>>128013378
Xevious had Nazca Lines in the background and they wanted to do something similar
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>>128010095
Well, at least there's a Salamander-reference stage.
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Alright, got all achievements. Anyone else been playing Sora these past few days?

>>127996368
>steam shmups
here are my recommendations, though there are a lot other great pc shmups from the last decade that aren't on steam.

Suguri - super fast, but straightforward shooting game. Has two fighting game spinoffs.
Sora, the sequel to the above. More polished than Suguri and one of the most solid and addicting PC shmups.

Kamui
RefleX
Alltynex 2nd - Trilogy of very solid shooting games, each of them has different gameplay, but a connected plot. A damn good one as well.

CCWI - Stars everywhere. Double Break is pretty glorious, that alone makes it worth playing.

Diadra Empty - Fantasy Zone on crack. Steam version is kind of iffy though.
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Having 1cc'd normal and arrange (and all novice modes of course) I thought I'd give ultra a shot.

My face the entire time. I lost count on continues. Worried laughter all the way through.
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>>127997857
>Metal Slug
Not a shump.
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Just a couple more sho-
BOOM
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>>127570223
Have all of the Gothic Otome profiles been translated yet?
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I cant make it past the Kamui fight in, well, Kamui. Keep trying to destroy every single lighting target even if those are just for score and trying to show off.

Dont try to be flashy /shmupg/, just avoid the bullets.
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>>127999095
I wish my 360 wasn't busted so I could play it again.
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>tfw no gradius 7
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>>128026748
I liked how the Kamui 00 gets more powerful when you destroy its parts.
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>>128029345
don't you mean gradius 6?
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>>128029345
>tfw no Gradius 8.12
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Gradius 2 > Gradius 4 > Gradius Gaiden > Gradius 5 > Gradius ReBirth > Gradius 1 > Gradius 3

Parodius 4 > Parodius 5 > Parodius 3 > Parodius 2 > Parodius 1
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>>127934690
So now I've got 2 hours on eXceed 3rd. The game's all right. Only thing I don't like is not being able to tell what the current multiplier is until I destroy enemies.

I get that the basic gist of raising the multiplier is to play like it's Raiden Fighters, by killing quickly and point-blanking enemies, but I don't like the lack of feedback showing where my multiplier is and if it's about to go up or down.

Game's still all right, tho.

>>127999095
Never played Hard Corps Uprising. Still want to, but I've never seen the game on sale. Maybe if I get a spare $20 for the game, I can get it then.
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>>128030742
See: >>128009596


>>128031432
>tfw
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>>128033002
Why is 2 the best and 3 the worst?
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>>127996368
>>127997857
Started making some kind of pastebin. Feel free to drop me some text that I could add to it.
http://pastebin.com/gKageSrb
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>>128029801
The Soryouu or whatever it's called in Stage 1 does the same if you destroy its wings. Curiously the Ougumo in Stage 4 doesnt, even if it probably has the most destroyable parts of any boss.

The mass-produced Kamuis also get stronger as there are less of them, but that one is pretty obvious.
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>>128035795
>in Stage 4
Or was it Stage 3? I forget.
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16/108
longest fail streak 17
longest win streak 3

Why am I so fucking bad?
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>>128036348
Dont you dare give up anon.
You cant let the dots win.
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>>128038138
The dots don't want to win, they just want me to suffer