/evn/ - Santa Claus is Cumming Edition

>>126234376

Someone in Sunrider thought it was a good idea.

>>126235354

Maybe it's some weird Japanese pronunciation of Claude?

>>126237015
Why is this set in Japan?

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Threadly reminder to NAME AND SHAME (con)artists.

Allahu Akbar infidels. Thank you for the holidays.

>>126237952
It's still 11PM, you are way too early.

writing is hard

>>126237472
Who cares? It doesn't void the experience.

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Writing constantly. Just got a concept sketch of a character-- feels nice to see how well it matches what I have in mind.

I like the design so far.

>>126237472
Maybe they got tired of british poets

>>126237472
Because SAVIOR OF MOE!

Anybody have a torrent to MangaGamer's english release of Euphoria? Just came out a few weeks ago so the big name websites don't have it.

>>126238541
...is this a joke? This is a trace over from a maggot baits character.

>>126238749

Actually I uploaded the wrong image so yes, that is a maggotbaits character, my bad.

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>>126238541

I remember the sketch I got.

It was nice.

Too bad I never finished the VN.

REmember to finish your VNs.

>>126235147
Why won't EVN reach this level of art?

>>126238954
We don't have deep pockets bruh.

>>126238191
Oh, gonna take my lunch first then.

>>126238334
Yes it does.

>>126238954
but... it's a...

>>126238935
Post the right one?

>>126238720
you're in the wrong fucking thread, you fucking necrophile pirate faggot. sit your slimy ass down and wait like a good little piece of shit for someone else to shell out their hard-earned shekels so that you can jerk it to an underage girl being rectally electrocuted

>>126239065
Oh man this VN takes in Jamaica and was made by Canadian devs! Guess I can't take it seriously now!

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>>126239350

Okay here it is, thoughts?

>>126237952
Κύριε, ἐλέησον.
https://youtu.be/bZVEgtc0HEI

>>126239843
Cute. Her stance is really weird though. Like she is bow legged, and is about to take a bow legged shit on the ground.

>>126239843
eonhite?

>>126239843
>dasha
Just in case you're working for Rita, tell xem to fuck off.

>>126240434
>xem
What?

So I've realised that while I've read loads on how to craft a narrative and how to improve prose, I've never read much on writing good dialogue (aside from the basics, like keep it short and don't try to mimic real speech patterns).

Anyone know a more extended resource?

>>126239437
Wouldn't be "inspired" by anime nor an imitation of vastly superior products.

>>126240753
Speak the lines out loud. If it don't sound right, then rewrite it and try again.

>>126240585
I'm being politically correct here, shitlord.

>>126240753
You can try screenplay sites?

>>126243249
Stop this.

>>126235147
What's the opinion of this?

>>126243675
It's a sakura game, what is there to think?

>>126243675
No wanaca, no r18, no thanks.

I wonder if the second artist just doesn't do porn. Sakura Swimclub has a sex scene with one of the girls wearing a santa suit so read that instead.

>>126243927
>santa suit
>not a mrs. claus suit
Sounds pretty gay, dude.

>>126244112
Same difference. That should be understood when saying santa suit while referring to girls.
http://g.e-hentai.org/s/67a708ee35/852158-22

>>126243927
I like the second artist. It's a shame there are not sex scenes even when it is sold in mangagamer.

>>126240885

Sure, that's basic. I'm talking strategies to ensure conversation is gripping, and builds up to what it needs to, as well as how to add subtletly.

>>126241472

Thanks, that's a good suggestion.

>>126244348
>brown dick
Dropped.

Man, Michael Hampton's book is really good, a++ heavily recommend it to the artists in this thread (if you haven't already read it).

Hey to the anon who suggested cupid, thanks. It has an impressive set-up and yeah the writing is quite good.

It also has a nice amount of CG which was nice... usually these free games don't bother.

Remember to wash your hands like a merchant when you deal with third-world artists.

>>126246886
Mwa!

>>126246886

Why?

>>126246204
Did you also read that FAQ?

>>126247238
There is no FAQ.

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A visual representation of the evn community crying about Winged Cloud ruining the reputation of VNs, but are powerless to stop them.

>>126247087
In celebration of striking a better deal, of course!

Post progress.

>>126247613

I think H-stuff will forever be associated with VNs much like capeshit is with comics. Might as well embrace it.

>>126248279


Wrote a 2500 word scene last night, presently editing another writer's scene. My story flow feels unfocused at present, so I want to forge ahead with a few more draft scenes, then review its structure.

>>126243354
when I do, the threads die, and people complain about that.

finish your own game and post screenshots of that instead.

>>126248671
I think it's just another case of mistaken identity where they thought you were the dev.

>>126248282
It's pretty frustrating when idiots refuse to play your game featuring fully-clothed characters because "it's probably rape shit" and instead go play some RPG with a succubus wearing nothing but dental floss because THAT's normal.

>>126248671
I was complaining about the corn being called fruit screenshot getting posted again. Not you bumping the thread with relevant screenshots.

>>126248878
To be fair, you can't rape a succubus.

>>126249037

The scientific paper where they conclusively demonstrated this was one of the strangest things I've ever read.

>>126248282
Doesn't the majority of VNs have H? I don't get what's to hate.

>>126248878

You can only write something good enough that it attracts people regardless. KS conquered the stigma of being a "cripple-fucking simulator from 4chan," so there's no reason you can't do the same.

>>126249396

It still carries a stigma, and leaves VNs synonymous with "porn games," which is liable to put off people unfamiliar with the medium.

>>126246876
Are there jumpscares in it?

>>126249396
Even if the majority of VNs have some H, the majority of VNs with english translations have plots and are not HuniePop. However, differing cultural expectations mean that for many English gamers, 'contains H' means 'is obviously some shitty three-minute long flash game with looping dick and bored moaning'

The thread's not going to die because the Euros are here to stay.

>>126250274

Don't forget the Aussies and NZers.

>>126250515
I would really like to, actually.

seen on someone's tumblr update:

>Got rid of the skill building, the reputation and the whole hacking/computer/messaging system.
>Turning CC into a pure otome game with only choices. But choices now have a bigger impact within the game. Some piss off your LIs/friends, some amuse them.
>The reputation system is gone, so is the relationship points being based on reputations.
For example Matt isn’t purely sassy, or Kai aloof. All of the answers affect your companions differently.
>This is the last time I’ll be changing this game, because I’m thinking about releasing it in 1-2 months at most.

am i the only one who is really weirded out by the thought of repeated huge changes to the entire underlying framework of game design, apparently not far from release?

I suppose if the game is really short...

>>126239205
Oh, wow. They've certainly gotten better.

That pic doesn't give off that disgusting Western trash vibe anymore.

>>126250582
Maybe nobody liked those features and they chucked them?

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>>126250582
At least mention the game name.
>Calling Cipher
I remember seeing this a while ago, shame they scrapped everything interesting about it.

>yuri subplot in Cupid

Yuri is love. Yuri is life.

>>126250515
Basically culturally enriched places.

>>126251070
I remember seeing screenshots of this, I didn't know it was otome though, all the images I remember were of cute girls?

>>126252038

I love it.

>>126252270
How are you loving it their m8?

BTW, I'm digging up a post on LSF's venting thread... It was basically about Lishy thinking White Genocide not being real... Ayyyy

>>126252769

I saw a white genocide once. I was on the bus one day, with a man wearing a turban and a Mongolian woman. All of a sudden, the white genocide leapt onto the bus, screaming in objectively inferior languages, and oozing diversity. I screamed, and sprung to combat it with my superior genetics and enhanced creative capacity.

But I was undone, for the muslim man in the turban grasped my leg and opened his jacket, revealing an array of plastic explosives. Then the Mongolian woman stole my wallet. I screamed in rage, as the white genocide castrated me with it's metaphorical knife of multicultutalism. "If only we had retained our racial purity, this would never have happened!" I screamed. But it was too late, and Iwas forcibly sterilised.

I lay on the floor of the bus, weeping and bleeding. As I lay there, a voice smirked - quite jewishly - "Good goy. You are now culturally enriched."

Just another day in modern New Zealand.

>>126248279
Got some very unexpected volunteer help a couple of days ago. Now the project has an eager artist in addition to a writer working at a cripple's pace.

>>126253868
Man, it must be tough being a white among the rich.

>>126254450
I guess that would make your project invalid.

>>126254461

Absolutely. Sometimes you have to deal with minorities, and you can just see their hatred for white people behind their eyes. It's unbelievable that they've all managed to keep such a vast conspiracy hidden for so long, but there's no other explanation for why they'd have to come to this country than to perpetrate genocide. I can't believe the sheeple won't wake up.

Our white leaders are also deliberately perpetuating the cycle of white genocide. I can't think why else they would allow migrants into the country, so it's literally the only explanation for what's going on. Everyone's so narrow minded.

What is the next game jam? When do they get announced and where?

Can anyone give me a link on how to make an in-game dictionary for renpy? Like, you click a highlighted word in the textbox and it gives you the definition?

>cupid
Incest. Incest everywhere.

>>126256259
Spoilers, man.

>>126250274
So where's all the shitposting you promised bud? Because it's dead as fuck in here.

>>126257462
Sorry, m8, was out for a while doing third-world things.

>>126254885
You can never be white again.

>>126257652

Alas and alack.

>>126257990
Argentina and the rest of Latin America is kinda bigoted and white though, there's still hope, white man.

>>126254634
As if it's not dead.

>>126256259
Tell me more.

>>126257990
Alas, a lass is what I lack.

>>126258402
Don't we all.

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>>126258402
Alas, Alsace is what I lack.

>>126258197

Ah, so that's why Argentina rates so highly on quality of life polls.

G'night.

morning

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>>126258780
I lack a sauce, alas, alack.

>>126258653
>lacking lasses
/evn/ is full of them actually, and some are as permasingle as the boys because fujoshi and shit. They just don't seem to match up.

Seriously Jouya-shaped girl, just come over.

I really want to post my wip here for attention seeking purposes

>>126259485

Go for it.

Allahu Akbar, brothers. Today we will enrich this thread until the infidels wake up from their slumber, and as they wake up, they will find out how colorful and good multiculturalism is.

>>126260627
thank you Ahmed

Will diversity stop when everyone's gay and black? But if that's the case, who dafuq will pay the taxes needed to sustain such a population? Surely, there's no more evil bigoted white people to tax on... Are they going to ask for donations from rich, homogenous Asian countries? Or will they migrate there too and blacken them up?

>>126260931
>But if that's the case, who dafuq will pay the taxes needed to sustain such a population?
Women in tech, I guess.

>>126261015
My whole narrative just collapsed, thanks Anon.

>>126259384
/evn/ hang-outs when

>>126261073
When /pol/ leaves?

>>126261073
Wait, if we did have a hang-out, what would be talking then? Unless by hang-out you mean group suicide...

Why don't more evn use maps? Are they harder than I think?

>>126261713
Hard to do well, I guess. A half-assed map system, like most half-assed things in evn, will just piss the player off

>>126261335
But then there'll be only JP and Tao left!

>>126262123
Call Lishy back? DESU though, I have low opinion on people who frequent that get that thing off your chest thread.

>>126263079
At least it's a containment zone. I open a dev twitter and get the 411 on their depression level.

Shitposter signing out. Allahu Akbar, brothers and sisters. I hope the heathens and infidels wake up with the thread still around.

>>126259384
M-maybe we should meet up a-and get to know each other.

>>126261073
>>126265392
I'm a-ok with that, everyone kind of knows each other here anyway.

>>126266171
Do you think any of us are cuties?

>>126269829
> fujos
> game devs
> on 4chan

>>126269829

I think you're going to take this thread a negative direction toward /soc/. Were we ever to do a hangout or get together, I think it would have to be something heavily topical like a game jam or something so that it doesn't suck. But let's try to stymy this before it becomes a personals section. If you're lonely this holiday season there are better ways to find hookups than /evn/.

I am going to give Cupid a try-- the art looks good and I've heard good things about the writing. I think it will be useful to see all of their production values and compare it to where my project is at, as a sort of benchmark.

>>126270530
I really liked Cupid. The art isn't always perfect, but I think there's a lot to be learned from the CGs: firstly, they draw characters faces well from every angle, which isn't common and secondly they compose them well and don't just fill everything with details because why not, they do leave backgrounds empty if it helps the scene. It might have been inspired by lack of time or something, but I realised I was getting too hung up about drawing backgrounds on every single CG, when some look better with lights and abstract shapes.

>>126238943
HHNNnnnnnnngggggg

>>126269829
I'd go on a limb here and assume most of us are cute, in a chubby Velma kind of way.

Which is, of course, the only way that matters and ever will.

You know, I think that VNs might actually become a big thing and that western ones are going to make it. There might actually be a light at the end of this tunnel.

>>126274772
There was always a light. It's just a pinprick.

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>>126274772
I think making something for the sake of making it is better than making it to "make it".

>>126275540

Most people make it by making enough stuff that one thing of so many X's happens to get picked up.

So, even from a greedy fuck point of view, I agree with you: it's better to make stuff just to make it until you get lucky than it is to try to make something that you think will have mass appeal.

>>126274954
Always thought it to be a colonoscope.

>>126270530
I just want to meet hot VN devs in Anonymous Proxy ;_;

>>126269829
I think I'm a cutie.

>>126253868

Why are there so many asians in Aus/NZ? It can't be just proximity because Brazil is like the largest country of asian expatriots

>>126275540
Making something because you are passionate about it is the best, though.

>>126269829

I'm a 4/10 man at best.

>>126277927
* 2/5

>>126269829

I am an attractive man, however, I have a girlfriend so it's sort of irrelevant.

>>126271247

This is how my artist looks, very cute. I've always preferred tiny waifish pixie girls, so there's no chemistry there on my end.

>>126277407

You would need to do actual research.

>>126278723
>I've always preferred tiny waifish pixie girls, so there's no chemistry there on my end.
Hook a brother up, I won't steal your artist.

>>126278874

I like chunky girls IRL but most of the characters I'm interested in VNs turn out to be skinny girls or lolis that are TOTALLY 18.

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>>126279905
>32 year old woman

>>126261713
Why would you want a map?

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>>126280158

Can't remember how old, but at least twice as old as she looks.

Of course, she's a radiation mutant so she probably pisses blood too.

>>126261713

I like having a general map for my own purposes, but I feel like needing a map is a bit weird.

>>126279905
I like chunky all over. Muscular is fine too, but chubby is justice.

>>126280547

Actually my VN uses a map. This is largely because the story itself is fairly D&D-ish in terms of plot construction and also because my artist would not commit to all the BGs I wanted.

>>126280547
For the readers I mean.

You're supposed to describe shit to them.

>>126281953

But it's always the Emis and Cosettes that draw me in...

>>126282157
Part of why I was asking why people wanted maps is that I'm not sure what sense they make for most situations.

I mean, you could have a map of Fictional Not-Japan as world building but it's pretty unneccessary.

If you're actually doing an RPG or a game where you travel around choosing locations to do actions at then a map is helpful but most people aren't

what does an ordinary VN need a map for?

>>126283237

I can get it, say, for an exploration type game.

I can even get it for a VN like Sunrider Academy where it's just a basic layout of where shit is so you can click on shit to go places.

>>126275540

I would like to be able to do this for a living and eat every day though, that would be really nice.

Some news about Highway Blossoms, it appears that there will be an 18+ version of it available on denpasoft. Also, the word count is around 75,000 and they expect it to take 5-8 hours to read.

I think their estimated reading time is too high, since people have read 50k long vns in 1-2 hours. I also want to know what they plan on charging for it, since I doubt they'd bother putting out an adult version if it were free.

http://highwayblossoms.com/2015/12/21/trotting-with-the-trio-and-other-bad-titles-for-blog-posts/

BCM LP anon, are you coming back? You're not in my timezone so I never commented but I enjoyed reading it afterwards.

3-4 hours a route is accurate. Generally, if you are reading 50k in 1-2, there are either a lot of choices and you aren't seeing most of the story or you're skimming for the art and not really paying too much attention. The average reading rate is 200wpm, which is 12,000 words per hour. Estimate the core of the story is about 45k and you end up with 3-4 hours per route and probably 6 hrs for the whole thing.

There are outliers, naturally, but this is for the average reader.

>>126285646
>Some news about Highway Blossoms, it appears that there will be an 18+ version of it available on denpasoft. Also, the word count is around 75,000 and they expect it to take 5-8 hours to read.
>I think their estimated reading time is too high, since people have read 50k long vns in 1-2 hours.

Straight wordcount doesn't always map directly to reading time. At the least, you have to take branching, animations, and words-per-page into account. Not to mention that reading time varies drastically from person to person. Calling 50K "1-2 hours" is silly. Are there people who can clear it that fast? Yes, but they're quite rare, and/or people who are bored as shit with the story and spacing ahead without trying to read all the words.

The usual lazy ballpark is 20K to an hour, though again, it varies a lot. So 4-6 as an estimate would be completely unremarkable, and 5-8 isn't unbelievable if there's a lot of animation and other slowdowns.

>>126285646
>Sorry kids. They aren’t romancable

>make an 18+ game with a slut showing off her body
>can't have sex with her
How can anyone think this is okay.

>>126286082
The vn format tends to encourage speedreading. And while the fault lies with the user for doing so, they'll insist that you're charging $15 for a vn that only took them 2-3 hours to read.

>>126286538
I have a VN on sale with a wordcount of 75K. From the Steam completion times, for people who have 100% achievements, finish times tend to be from 4-10 hours. I see a couple of people at 3.5 and a couple of people over 10 but they're outliers. Most people just don't read as fast as you think they do.

>>126286538
I speedread a lot of VNs because I just click through stuff fast without pausing to actually process what's been written. I have a fast reading speed already, but with VNs I can get through them very, very fast...

And then I complain when people do the same thing with my own stories, haha.

>>126286521

Well the focus of the story is on the Yuri main pairing and it'd be sort of hard to write it if the girl just ditches her road trip partner.

However, not romance-able doesn't mean that you would not be able to see lewd stuff-- it just means no lesbian antics with the MC.

>>126287806
>not romance-able doesn't mean that you would not be able to see lewd stuff-- it just means no lesbian antics with the MC.
Putting a straight ero scenes in between Mariah and Joe would likely piss off yuri fans. And yuri fans never forgive or forget, just ask IDHAS.

Ero scenes with the MC could still be included as dream sequences.

>>126288235
But why? I think it's supposed to be a fluffy, heartwarming story over a scissorfest.

Where do i go to discuss Aviary Attorney?

Isn't it considered a VN?

>>126288810
Yuri fans don't like seeing dicks. They even get pissed at futa. Putting straight scenes into a game advertised as yuri is going to cause backlash, unless you're upfront about them being there.

>>126285663
I'm planning to pick it back up tonight! I'm glad people enjoy my ramblings.

>>126289318
I mean why even put in the dream sequence thing. I agree with you, but I'm also saying ero scenes should just be between MC and Marina

>>126289050
You can talk about it here if you like! Not sure how many of us have played it but go on

>>126289528
I'm going to use eden* as an example. The all ages version has the MC in love with one girl, but has close friendships to the other female characters. The adult version though, has unlockable ero scenes that don't take place in the story, just what if scenarios. That way it's still a pure love story, but can have ero scenes with their favorite female characters, which is more of what I was suggesting.

>>126289917
i don't see the point in adding h scenes to a vn if it's not meant to be a nukige, or it's not important to the plot.

We're back!

>>126291241
Some players feel cheated if they don't get to fuck everything, some artists just want to draw noods

>>126289380
I look forward to untangling Yuki's depraved web of lies tonight.

>>126285646
Amateur art.

>>126292338
if you don't have enough artistic sensibility to explain what you dislike about the art, don't waste our time by misusing language. you'd make every bit as much of a point if you just said 'bad' art except you'd look less pretentious

>>126292338
>Rosuuri
>weee
get this hot head outta here.

>>126289917
If i'm on someones route, I don't want to be fucking other girls even if it is a dream. Also no more connection error?

ML anon, when that demo droppin'?

>>126292663
>>126292785
Hi HRP

>>126293373
Rosuuri has nice art, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>126292663
Not him but those backgrounds are pretty hideous.

>>126292663
sprites are alright but those BG's are pure ass

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>>126293373
>actually not liking weee or rosuuri
>>126293537
Yeah most of the BGs are pretty bad. I do like that big rock one.

>>126291241

Hmm, well I am not doing it in my immediate VN I plan to include it in a future VN. The point of the sex scenes is that the nature of the relationship changes at that point. I have always thought that sex in a VN can serve as a really important function-- namely, it underscores the seriousness and irrevocability of the romance/action.

One thing that I feel separates VN from other media is the general lack of blue-balling. I see VN as the opposite of series that promise, but postpone delivering as much as possible (i.e. Nisekoi, romances in shounen, long drawn out romances generally). VN interested me because it departed from that junk, largely because by the end of the route the characters would be in a confirmed sexual relationship and the logic of the story would have to account for that. For me, VNs were an escape from all of the romances that were eternally teased, but never delivered on. They were the opposite of stupid harem shows that always ended with a return to status quo, or with some sort of "sort of" kiss/confession that was later taken back.

You cannot take back fucking someone, so it's a commitment from the author that the matter of the relationship is going to be addressed.

Plus, I have some really fun ideas for sex scenes. I also want to implement sprites with hickeys on them (haven't seen that before).

>>126293901
Really? Movies include unnecessary sex scenes all the time, and don't people love that! Though, since movies are meant to appeal to more people, since they cost so much, they'll only show people's faces or whatever. VNs are usually more explicit about it, and sure, you can say it's to show how much the relationship between the two characters has changed, and sometimes I think H scenes can add to the story/characterization and be meaningful, I think they're mostly included to draw in horny guys. Often, H scenes in moege aren't important whatsoever, and they're usually filled with repetitive writing that lasts way too long, weird similes, and unappealing sound effects that sound like noodles being squished around in a cup. I'm not a fan of H scenes for the sake of H scenes in VNs, and I usually just skip them because I don't think they're very good...

I just don't understand the logic of needing to see a H scene to know the characters are actually together, it shouldn't be the most important part of a relationship, but shrugs everybody has different opinions on this and people attach difference amounts of importance to different things.

>>126294523
> I think they're mostly included to draw in horny guys.
Yeah, horny guys that will sit through ten hours of text for the action to start. I don't get this line of thought.

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>>126292663
>don't waste our time by misusing language

>>126294523
>>126294648
Also
>it shouldn't be the most important part of a relationship
While maybe not the single most important, sex is an absolutely integral part of 99.99% of relationships.

>>126293531
>>126293762

I do not see anything in that post by the aforementioned artists, unless I am misreading. You have four artists working on one project? What a mess.

>>126295009
acephobic shitlord

>>126292663
>artistic sensibility
nigga it looks like shit
i aint gotta explain a damn thang
it aint me sellin da product f a m

>>126295106
Hey, I did say 99.99%. My privilege has been checked.

>>126295109
ain't me selling the product either, i'm just a sperg who hates people using 'amateur' and 'professional' when they mean 'i don't like it' and 'i like it'

>>126295046
I dunno shit family. All I know is rosuuri and weee will save it from those BGs.

>>126295009
>sex is an absolutely integral part of 99.99% of relationships.
Especially with your siblings.

>>126295407
does it look pro bruh
nah
it don't

It's preposterous to assume only a chef can tell when a dish tastes bad. Not everyone can explain why your food tastes like shit, but that doesn't mean they're wrong. The art does come across as very raw and unfinished at the very least.

>>126295652
i was being a bitch for luls because I don't actually mean that no one should comment if they can't dissect the art, but it does bug me when people say something is professional or not, because they say it as if it's a technical term with a definition (which it sort of is, but not the one they're using) when they really mean that they don't like it. there's probably someone who thinks that art is great.

as for my personal opinion on highway blossoms it's pretty much eh. it doesn't look horrible but nothing about it actually catches my interest either, and with so much yuri suddenly on the horizon for once I can afford to be choosy.

the backgrounds are a little weird but not so bad that I wouldn't play, just not really catching me on their own. the side character art doesn't look bad, but I don't understand why there's a ridiculous 'look, I can't wear clothes' character if she's not even datable and it's not meant to be a wacky anime setting

Damn you guys get nit-picky sometimes.

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Speaking of HRP

http://reignitionproject.com/blog/2015/12/23/happy-holidays-looking-forward/

>>126285646
>that blonde

Is this supposed to be cidney from the new final fantasy?

>>126296430
>hibiki gone
It was just a matter of time. The messages at the end are cute though.

>>126291241
It's meant as a reward for the players. Kinetic novels can get away with a single romantic interest, but having nonpursueable heroines in a multiple route game tends to tick the players off, since the heroine they may have liked the most wasn't pursueable.

>>126296937
>liking multiple women
>not being monogamous
>not loving only one woman with all your heart
You are what's wrong with visual novels.

>>126297079
>not providing for all your waifus
>leaving the others to suffer the horrible fates of girls whose routes have not been completed

you monster

>>126297261
>waifus
>more than one waifu
Do you even know what a waifu is, you meme loving reddit fuck?

>>126297079
>>126297261
I felt horribly guilty when I started doing other routes in Princess Evangile because it broke my heart thinking about what would happen to Aya. Her graduation did me in. I will complete them one day eventually, but god damn. I finally understand that mentality.

>>126297527
A girl whose picture I carry around in my wallet.
My wallet has a lot of slots.

>>126297830
>Ayaka*
I backspaced too many times. Shame on me for not even spelling her name right.

>>126296430
Even the updates are long boring and fillerish?

>>126294648
i honestly don't see any other reason why jvns put h scenes into their stories - i just can't buy this 'they're meant to show how strong the relationship has become!' line of logic when then the cgs are drawn with a focus on the female characters looking sexy and the voice actresses moaning and the text more less amounts to 'aaaaaaaaaaaaahn~~~~'
i'm not saying vns with h scenes that occur like 10+ hours into the story are solely written to appeal to horny guys, of course not, but i think most h scenes are only in there because it encourages people to buy the story and read through it to get to those scenes. there's surely a reason why so many people get mad about h scenes being removed for all ages releases of vns - and don't say 'because of censorship!', since i feel like in most cases this isn't actually true, even though it's something people say. people just like their kawaii naked girls.

>>126297947
>My wallet has a lot of slots.
Because the owner is such a huge slut?

>>126298784
A huge successful slut.

>>126299256
Yes, a huge slut.

>>126296223
>I don't understand why there's a ridiculous 'look, I can't wear clothes' character if she's not even datable and it's not meant to be a wacky anime setting
It's common for the Wrench Wench. Even Cid from Final Fantasy XV is getting in on the action.

Also, Highway Blossoms team shouldn't take the criticism to mean that they should tone down Mariah's look, since that would be even more disappointing.

>>126298694
Nobody gets mad about sex scenes being removed from all ages games except for English-only idiots who think all VNs are fapbait and/or shitposters. That's been the accepted model in Japan for a long time. It's also proof that sex scenes aren't the main selling point*, because if they were, why would they remove them instead of adding more?

>i just can't buy this 'they're meant to show how strong the relationship has become!' line of logic when then the cgs are drawn with a focus on the female characters looking sexy
There's a reason most sex scenes have the characters losing their virginities to each other, because it's supposed to be special and all that. Then they get cute and flirty and intimate. As for them looking sexy, men are visual creatures. Do you want them to look ugly or what? The MC obviously doesn't have a big focus because he's supposed to be a stand in for you, and most straight men don't enjoy looking at another man's sweaty naked body.


* in games that aren't nukige, obviously

>>126296918
Was he the flake?

>>126296430
Not everyone celebrates a Christian holiday, SHITLORD!!

>>126297079
Multiple routes are all about exploring all the possibilities. And attractive heroines have so many possibilities.

>>126297079
I'm the casual romance type. I can't stand commitment.

>>126301203
That is clearly Kwanza garb, get learnt you piece of shit.

>>126299807
Fans of the Japanese versions of the games typically don't want content cut from them. There's a reason why H patches are so popular and expected.

>>126302968
Like I said,
>Nobody gets mad about sex scenes being removed from all ages games except for English-only idiots

>>126291538
This is very important. I need to understand why he murdered Masaharu, and who else is on his shit list.

Tonight, we will find out. Kinda. Depends how far we get.

What evns are worth picking up from Steam's winter sale? For free vns, is Sunrider: Mask of Arcadius any good?

>>126304565
Aviary Attorney is good

>>126304925
No meme games.

>>126304565
>>126305175
>sunrider
>not being a meme game
Good one.

>>126304565
what are your tastes?

>>126304565

It's aight, but don't buy Academy.

Seriously, don't do it.

It's the only game bad enough that I feel like any custom route I write could be an improvement.

>>126305175
>>126305453
How are Aviary Attorney and Sunrider meme games?

>>126308410
>Aviary Attorney
Scanned nearly all assets from books, music is royalty free; got a lot of attention and funded because a lot of people in the media didn't read the pitch enough to realize it (the art was the attribute that got the most praise from most blogs and backers).

It's pretty meme.

>>126308932
Spirit of entrepreneurialship. Why haven't YOU done this to raise money?

Hey HRP/HB dev here.
>>126285646
Might have been an overestimation on my part, not sure. I typically assume that people read at around 15,000-18,000 words per hour, and when sprite transitions and directing gets factored in, that might become a little longer. I'm also a very slow reader. Something like Toko takes me about two hours instead of one, for example. Still, I think the estimation is rather fiat, though I can definitely see people finishing it in four, three, or even two hours if they're a speed demon.
We're still discussing a price, But it's going to be between $7-$10. My guess is $9.99, as that's what most of the medium-length or kinetic titles Sekai publishes are priced at (i.e. Love at First Sight, most Winged Cloud titles). That's not set in stone, though. We'll be discussing price and stuff more as release gets closer.
>>126286521
I'm not really sure if I can add much more to the discussion that's taken place. The story very much focuses on Amber and Marina's relationship. The h-scenes in the 18+ version are there less for eroticism and more for added depth and character building. I really am appreciative that people like the designs of other characters enough that they'd like to romance them, but it just wouldn't fit into HB.
>>126295046
We're saving Rosuuri's art for the most part, because her CGs are mostly of pivotal points in the game. There might be one we show off in the future, but we're trying to keep those under wraps. Here's a Weee CG for you, though. Was trying to get something new from her in time for our recent blog post but couldn't make it.in time.

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>>126293753
The setting isn't very wacky and pretty grounded in reality, but Mariah, Joseph and Tess are pretty out there characters, which is pointed out by Amber. The side characters, especially the trio, are supposed to be a bit wacky. We wanted a very slight "wonderland" approach. Nothing outlandish, but there's a detachment between Amber and Marina and everyone else.

Uh, forgot to post the CG before. Sorry.

>>126309739
Can raise money and with my own assets, boss!

>>126309739
>>126309739
You just reminded me to check up on:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/love-language-japanese#/

Glad to see it fail.

>>126305453
I have lower standards for free stuff.

>>126307475
I'm not really into otome, but female protagonists are okay.

Gameplay is preferred, but not a requirement.

Fun, interesting characters or a compelling plot.

I like yuri.

I'm sorry you don't like the BGs. Personally, I think Badriel is doing a pretty good job with them. However, he typically does cityscapes and villages, so maybe it's throwing him off a little? Not sure, can't speak for him. Still, I'm satisfied with the results. We did consider doing filtered backgrounds briefly, but I think this works much better.
>>126295046
I'll further expand on this too, try to map out our set up.

Shiyun - Sprites, Character Design and CGs
Myuto - Colorist for sprites, Shiyun CGs, and Character Design for the Trio
Rosuuri - CGs
Weee- CGs

Myuto may have designed the trio, but Shiyun is still doing their sprites, as well as everyone else's. I can definitely see the argument for three CG artists being questionable, but several opportunities presented themselves and they seemed too good to pass up. In the future I'd like to cut down on the amount of artists per project for the sake of consistency, but I think it's working out well for HB.

>>126309797
Will the adult version be the same price as the Steam version? Does denpasoft require an account? Do I get a free Steam key with purchase of the denpa version?

All this talk and no demo?

>>126311447
I'd assume so. Don't see why it wouldn't.
Nah, no account needed.
That's up to Denpa, really. It's a bit early to say, but probably not.

>>126312226
>Don't see why it wouldn't.
Because it contains more content than the regular version, it would make sense to make the r18 version cost more.

>>126312226
The only difference between the versions is the added H scenes, right?

>>126312768
Stop giving them ideas.

Have free H patches become a thing of the past?

>>126313063
They're barely a thing.

>>126312768
Fair enough. Still, those scenes are apart of the story. We're not too keen on hiding story elements or plot points behind a paywall.
>>126312859
Yeah. And not so much "added" as it is "put back." Those h-scenes were part of the original script, but I felt HB worked good as an AA game too and wanted to give people that option. The implication that they happened is still there, but if reading through h-scenes isn't your thing then you won't have to.

>>126313236
What are Huniepop, Sunrider, and more recent Sakura games. People on Steam practically demand free H patches if an adult version exists, or they'll refuse to buy the game, because you're "censoring" it. Not giving them a free Steam key even if it costs the same is another complaint, that Sekai has previously blamed on the Japanese developers, but that's not the case for Highway Blossoms, so they'll be extra pissed.

>>126313063

Only in companies that actually believe in freedom.

>>126315358
>Huniepop
The "free H" is a single variation of a CG.

>Sunrider and more recent Sakura games
Three games. The minority.

>>126315370
>free dom
Yes, they should make the H free.

>>126315567
Some of the bestselling vns with 18+ versions, and aren't AJ Tilley's games the same way? Most of the developers that release 18+ evns on Steam have been giving out free 18+ patches, so that stopping is going to tick off the people who've come to expect them.

>>126315567
Even Muv Luv is getting a free 18+ patch.

>>126316074
Muv Luv is the first JVN to do so officially.

>>126316219
And with how success it was, it's going to start becoming a trend. Trying to charge for 2 separate versions, without at least giving a free Steam key isn't going to fly.

>>126316714
Just you watch, it'll happen.

>>126316714
The promise of a patch isn't why Muv Luv was successful, it's because it's babbies first VN and people are attached to it.

Let them sell THEIR game how they want too

>>126316901
Yes, but it was a frequent inquiry, and other developers are likely going to try to copy the Muv Luv campaign to the letter, so that they can attempt to achieve its level of success.

>>126316074
>>126316219
>>126316714
Muvluv has to have the ugliest fucking character art tbhwya, wanting an r18 patch for that mess must be some kinda weird masochism.

>>126316714
Solution - don't write an 18+ version at first, release it later as an expansion you can charge for.

Doing this right requires ACTUALLY not writing the 18+ scenes to begin with and only creating them separately if people are into the game, though, players will recognise day1dlc and tell you to fuck off

>>126316951
They can sell it however they want, but the consumer has the right to voice their displeasure over it. What's going to happen is that most people will just buy the Steam version and someone will just find a way to patch it for free even if the developer doesn't.

>>126316901
I thought people bought in to it because kamige hype.

>>126317621
And the kamige hype resulted from the gushing praise of those babbies first VN types.

>>126317926
It deserves the praises.

What genre is everyones vn? fantasy, scifi, sol, action, mystery?

>>126318313
And here's one now.

>>126318503
Romance and SOL because I can sell some.

>>126318582
Got to /vn/ if you want to meme that muv luv isn't good.

>>126318503
Romance, fantasy

>>126318679
I'm not saying it isn't good. It's just not as good as its fans will tell you.

>>126318768
Being a kamige is the best a VN can get.

>>126318859
Whatever you say family.

How do you deal with negative comments on your game? Do you try to have no emotional attachment to it?

>>126319356
Track them down and murder them.

>>126319448
The AJ Tilley method?

>>126319356
ignore them unless you think they have legit points, and try to keep crit on board for the next project
some negative comments aren't useful/helpful though

>>126319356
You deal with them by not being a little baby.

>>126319671
>No choices in your kinetic novel
>Too much yuri in this yuri vn
>This is not a game
>Pregancy is a shooter with hours of gameplay, perfect for fans of the Call of Duty series.

>>126318859
but what amounts to a 'kamige' is completely subjective, just because you think it's godly it doesn't mean everyone else does, and just because you like something it does not invalidate somebody else disliking or finding flaws in it.
i think kamige is a silly term anyway - there's no way anybody can definitively say 'oh these vns are the highest tier' because everything comes down to personal opinion in the end.

>>126319894
Where's the gameplay, I keep clicking and clicking and all I see are words!

>>126319894
*Pregnancy

>>126320003
>but what amounts to a 'kamige' is completely subjective
Moogy and his pals decide :^).

>>126320008
>Where all are the waifus? Visual novels are supposed to be dating sims.

>Why can't your vn be as good as high quality visual novels like Nekopara?

>Why no voice acting?

>Why won't you translate it into 6 languages?

>>126319894
the 'no choices' or 'this is not a game' comments were exactly the things i was thinking of
steam reviews are filled with 'clever people' who write 'lol so memy' negative reviews (also lots of 'lel memey' faux positive reviews, like for the sakura series) for vns that they've only played for about 0.1 hours, i know they think they're funny but it's just irritating...

>>126319563
How does he get his neg removed? Just flags them?

>>126320276
Those are the choices I find easiest to ignore, that user is just dumb and wrong and there's no helping them.

It's when someone's massively butthurt about a plot point that they've misintrepreted and they keep telling everyone about it that it's annoying to me

>>126320335
And harasses people until they see things his way.

>>126320247
tbqh as a doujin game, Nekopara is higher quality than its EVN counterparts.

>>126320247
>>Why can't your vn be as good as high quality visual novels like Nekopara?
Change that to Katawa Shoujo and add a comment about KS being free.

>>126320459
Hey Tao. I never thought Nadia was a rapist. She was foward, but people who cried rapist were being sensationalist.

>>126320247
>I got this other game for $1 on a humble bundle so it's ridiculous that your much longer game costs $10!

>>126320097
why do so many people who read vns have such bad taste...
honestly i think most vns that are regarded as being 'godly' by the community are kind of mediocre : I not just because of writing style (which could be a tl issue) but because i don't think a lot of themes that are handled are very interesting.

>>126319894
>>Too much yuri in this yuri vn
Is this a thing? Link?

>>126320459
oh yes me too...
it's very irritating when somebody reviews your work negatively and seem to have missed and massive huge plot point or just not understood what the story is actually about.
sometimes it just boils down to different people liking different things, or your writing style not suiting what the reader likes, but sometimes i think it can be because of poor reading comprehension or reading through too fast (which is very easy to do with vns). but if you complained about that, people would just assume you're being sulky, so it's best to keep such grievances to yourself, or complain about it to a friend.

>>126320470
it also (presumably - it has animated sprites and full VAs) had more funding than most evns : >
and while the presentation is super, super nice, the actual writing itself is nothing special. not that the writing is the most important part of the vn, since everyone's just in it for the moe catgirls.

Is using a flow chart as a basic design structure a viable way to path out a path?

>>126320891
I think someone left a negative review for Toko, which complained that it had too much yuri in it.
> Forced innuendo. I get it already. The game's going for the yuri audience.
>The forced lesbian that floods every other line in this VN gave me cancer.

>>126321179
That doesn't change the fact that it's an amateur game, like most EVNs. And it's a slice of life moe game, what do you expect out of the writing?

>>126321381
That's not saying they think there's too much yuri, that's saying they think the yuri that is in the VN was rushed and/or poorly handled.

>>126321007
Create a Steam account that doesn't list you as a developer, and politely explain to them why they're wrong.

>>126321521
it's fine, i don't dislike nekopara, it's good at what it does (which is being cute), even though it's not really my thing. but the amount of funding something has will of course change that the outcome looks like...? i know that people who buy these vns don't care how much money or effort went in, but it's still a valid point.
i think quality of writing matters more in vns than nice visuals, and there a lot of vns i like way more than nekopara even though they look far less polished because of the story/characters, but different people care about different things in a vn so shrugs.

>>126321550
I thought they were referring to the pie eating and cream sauce jokes.

>>126321593
This seems like too much effort for something that doesn't matter very much to me. So they didn't like the story, or maybe they misinterpreted it. So what? It's not the end of the world. Getting negative feedback is painful but fussing over it so much is stupid.

>>126321381
Oh I guess those aren't as bad as I thought. If i'm recalling right I think toko didn't press the yuri angle in the very beginning. I remember reading a few comments on /u/ questioning it because tao hadn't stated much about the yuri content in the steam page and some were paranoid they were futanari

>>126292978
Between tomorrow and christmas.

>>126321927
>So they didn't like the story, or maybe they misinterpreted it. So what?

Some people get so obsessed with their wrong opinions that every time the subject comes up elsewhere they have to immediately butt in and tell everyone about "that cat rape comic", turning off the people who would actually enjoy it and attracting creeps who will be disappointed

>>126322031
Some people are still worried there will be futa. Basically, once you have a rep for something it's what everyone comes to expect from you.


If AJ Tilley makes something good I'm sure JP will go into shock induced catatonia.

>>126318503
Science fiction. I want to get it done so we can get a little darker and grittier.

>If your vn doesn't have Steam cards or achievements I'm less likely to buy it. It shows a lack of effort on your part.

>>126322993
Achievements and trophies are the worst thing to happen to games.

>>126322125
>"that cat rape comic"
Name?

>>126322993

>achievements for a KN
You can't wash this kind of dumb off your hands.

>>126323378
I achieved hitting the auto button, so I deserve acknowledgement for my accomplishment.

A L L A H U A K B A R. Happy holidays infidels. Thank you for the holiday season and holiday bonuses.

>>126323472

Can the achievement say something like 'Here's Your One Achievement?' or 'No Steam cards you douche?'

>>126323836
I don't remember which game it was but there's one that only has one achievement and it's for starting the game, just to please achievement people.

>>126323541
Way too early dude, it's 9:41 PM. This is way earlier than last time. Can't sleep?

>>126323965

You didn't say no.

Odds are I ain't making a VN any time soon. Just a fanfiction custom route no one will read but will please me,

>>126324126
The title of the achievement was along those lines.

>>126324073
I'm a third-worlder in +8 GMT. It's 10:41 AM here.

>>126323836
Just have the achievement cuss them out in a non-English language.

>>126324841

Would cyka blyat be sufficient?

>>126325315
Cheeki breeki

>>126324841
Put it in klingon.

New cliqist article on ajtilley:
> http://cliqist.com/2015/12/23/the-current-situation-with-aj-tilleys-outstanding-kickstarters/

>>126294523

I think this is a difference of opinion or perspective. Bluntly, I do not consider any romantic relationship legitimate or worth discussing if it does not involve sexual relations. To me, it is simply not a serious romantic engagement without sex. This is in part because of the personal significance of sex, but also due to elements involving social recognition of relationships (i.e. the significance of consummation). In nearly all cultures for a relationship to be legitimate, consummation was required, lack thereof nullified or voided the arrangement.

Different people can have other legitimate views on this topic, however, this is my interpretation as to why sex is important in VNs. It is because there is a weight to their interactions that is lacking in many other mediums. In shows like Nisekoi, Ranma, Bleach, Naruto, etc-- things are stalled or because something advances without sex, that advancement is easily taken back, or explained away as a misunderstanding. You can even get away with having characters kiss and have it be a misunderstanding.

Once it gets to sex, the author can no longer cop out. And because I have had a childhood of growing up with stories that constantly teased romance but then either never delivered or copped out VNs sharply broke with that tradition.

A good quote on the subject is: "Why should we show love and attraction, but abstain from showing where those urges lead? Human beings have sex. A LOT of it, and most of it is not for the purpose of procreation. "

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-sex-scenes-shown-in-movies

I think VN is important here because it is a great medium for actually including it.

What's funny is, having said all this, I still usually ctrl through most sex scenes. But having them there still feels significant.

Why is loli so popular?

I mean, shit, loli and fake loli (she's eighteen officer I swear) even tend to have better writing than non-loli for some reason.

>>126326843
I don't self insert. I have voyeuristic tendencies and like watching the characters having sex. Love is a beautiful thing to behold.

I don't mind sex scenes but the majority of them are so poorly done it makes me want to cry.

>>126327127

Weak willed humans can't bear to look at the true face of God. They can't accept that loli is the future of mankind.

>>126327834
Pretty sure that's shotas m8.

>>126328013

Shotas are what happens when mankind has looked at God and blinked. Only when you open your eyes and your heart will you see truth.

>>126328013
Why not both?

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>>126327834
The loli angel of judgement will spite all that oppose her.

>>126323306
It's not about cat rape.

>>126328904
*smite

Well, I guess there's no need to shitposting tonight since everybody's prolly at home.

I'm working on a GUI for the first time

>>126323306
>>126329061
Given that, if you still care, I'm talking about Prequel.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Prequel

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>>126328904
That is not a loli.

>>126329757

>not a loli
>demon girls boobs are even bigger

>>126329342
Post progress pic.

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>>126329757
Nice.

Here, have giantess with her normal-sized husbando.

>>126329973
This pair reminds me of the characters from Juniper's Knot.

>>126327834
>>126328904
>>126327834

As long as writers keep writing loli well, I guess I'll have to keep reading.

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>>126329904
This better?

I am calling the police and reporting all of your IP addresses.

>>126329957
It's nothing special anon, just the run of the mill black gradient

>>126330427
Can't I have games where I just cuddle them and give them toys and make them happy and don't fuck them?

>>126330862

Fuck no. Let's add some infantry tactics and fucking mecha and shit.

And when the war is over, you have to fuck an adult woman and then cuddle with your loli who feels scandalized that you won't fuck her too.

And it ruins your fucking relationship.

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>>126330528
Do your worst! And have a loli in a bunnygirl suit.

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>>126332001
I like Tao's art. We get eveything from multiple flavors of loli to muscular demoness milf.

>>126330818
Post it anyways, I want to see it.

>>126332225
>muscular demoness milf
Exquisite taste senpai, exquisite.

>>126327127
See, anon, there are times when you're really lonely and want somebody to love, and there are times when you're really lonely and want to raise a child.
Romancing an imaginary little girl takes are of both needs, and sometimes infuses the relationship with innocence you want to preserve.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVE! WOO HOO!

Any good evns with a holiday or winter theme? And don't tell me Sakura Santa.

>>126336889
Halloween Otome

>>126336889
Sakura Santa

>>126336889
Sakura Saint.

>>126337145
I should've specified Christmas theme.

>>126337156
I hope Santa brings you a lump of coal by throwing it through your front room window.

>>126337346
The Pope as a loli in a revealing rope. The MC can be a priest that goes after all of the alter girls. And of course inappropriately touched by an angel.

>>126336889
Sakura Satan

>>126336889
Sakura Krumpus.

I've been seeing(not here of course) Winged Cloud get more and more hate after each game. Why is that? If it makes money why stop that.

>>126337967
The MC is an adolescent Finn who shits in his neighbor's mailbox for laughs and gets on an MTV show for it.