/evn/ - salty tears and love despite edition

thnks 4 th memes

>>126515463
Ew who is this washed up old piece of jerky?

>>126514161
original code do not steal!!!

>>126516002
A Salty Tears character

>>126516236
Who you gonna tell, anon? Your mommy?

>>126516784
Your mom. In bed.

People complain about the writing in sakura spirit when this soundtrack is the worst thing on the planet

eurofunposters ww@

what a great thread this one will be, I can feel it

Ded before 10 posts? Disappointing. Post progress faggots

>>126522306
Artist's redoing a character design from the ground up due to bad anatomy, I'm still being a useless shit.

wake up

>>126523559
just another 5 minutes

>>126522306
I have so much stuff to proofread and it's boring and I hate it but I MUST GO ON.
I have a habit of overusing words/phrases like 'however', 'since', 'given that', 'certainly', 'surely', etc, to hell, and a lot of my editing is just cutting down on all of this.

>>126525658
Also making all characters end their sentences with 'right?' or 'you know?', this is another big thing I keep doing which is starting to get on my nerves.
I blame Ryukishi.

Do any other writers have annoying words/phrases they keep using/over-using in their stories, that they only notice when they read through it again?

>>126522306
can't, too busy going on Tortimer Island

Reposted from the last thread because I don't know how to read.
>>126468186
>>126467403
>>126467180

Sunrider Academy, specifically.

>>126468186

Never seen this shit. I ain't a sprite guy. But I'm using characters that weren't in Academy so I can't really use sprites anyway.

>>126525753
I have a stupid tendency of making characters look at each other with no particular reasoning behind it. "Character X regarded character Y for a moment" and stuff like that. It'd probably be barely noticeable for a reader, but it does my head in whenever I go back over a draft and see it there with no purpose.

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Be honest with me senpaitachi, is this worth 70 USD?

>>126527082

I do something similar. Don't feel bad, sempai.

>>126527769
Looks reasonable to me.

>>126527769
Yeah, I'd probably pay 70 for that with day variations n shit, though the perspective is a little high up for a visual novel and that... thing in the road seems weirdly proportioned to me. Like, it makes the FriendMart seem really small. Any other samples, anon?

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>>126528005
>>126528387
Thanks dudes, price sbetween bg artists differ wildly so I wasn't sure.
Yeah, I've changed the angle a bit so it looks better as a single picture, trying to build a portfolio now. Here's another one I'm working on, I have a bunch more but they are for a project that may yet somehow get finished so I probably shouldn't post stuff without their permission.

>>126527769
That looks really, really good. I'd say you could probably charge more to be honest...

>>126528726
You can get $100 easy with this kind of quality.

>>126528726
Not the guys that replied earlier, but this looks better than the mart in the sense that it has more small mundane objects in it. The mart pic looks almost too sterile. I'd pay $70 for the lab with no second thoughts.

>>126528882
Nigga, I make a shittier background and I managed to get somebody to paid me $100 per background.

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>>126528726
Set a level for your skill($), then multiply that by how many hours it takes you to finish a piece on average. For example if I were making BGs of pic related quality, I would set my rate at $40~ per hour, then it would probably take me around 10-12 hours. $400-480.

In the end it's about supply and demand though, really. If you get lots of people coming to you and your services are in demand, raise your prices then take the jobs offered by people willing to match your prices. Rinse and repeat every time you feel like you're getting enough commissions/your skill level has increased enough to justify raising your prices.

Right now, your colouring and composition is easily on a level to charge $100. In fact I think you could charge way more. I'd only recommend looking at a bunch of visual novels, along with their sprites, to figure out how to implement a proper perspective. With the BGs you've posted, it would feel like the MC and on-screen sprites are freakishly tall. Once you have that down, you'll be able to charge top (relative to VNs) tier and get clients easy.

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Hey Tao, are these short stories canon?

A Toko Christmas Carol
http://lupiesoft.com/2015/12/25/a-toko-christmas-carol/

Ginxhou understands the true meaning of Christmas, while Devon understands the true meaning of orgies.

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Thanks for all the advice guise.
>>126529518
>figure out how to implement a proper perspective
yeah, wouldn't want PS Umineko situation on our hands. Is positioning the horizon line somewhere at the chest level of a medium height character a good rule of thumb?

live

>>126534805
Why? Will the evns released in 2016 be any better?

>>126535260
Of course. I'm releasing a couple. Only my affiliates managed to get something out last year.

>>126529518
>Set a level for your skill($), then multiply that by how many hours it takes you to finish a piece on average.

This is the worst advice. If you can't work fast enough to match market prices or with enough skills to justify your prices, don't even bother.

>>126535434
Winter Wolves?

>>126535540
Nah, not that successful.

>>126531562

It is.

>>126535493
If you take longer to finish a piece, set your hourly price lower. If you work fast, set it higher. It's all about what figuring out what works for you and how much you think you're worth.

>>126536335
It might also be smart to know the market and what other artists of comparable skill are doing.

>>126538232
How can you gauge comparable skill?

>>126539670
compare similar styled artists and their pricing?
it's a start.

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*shrugs*

>>126525753
>Do any other writers have annoying words/phrases they keep using/over-using in their stories, that they only notice when they read through it again?
Yeah, all the time. I wouldn't worry about it for the first draft, it's easy enough to fix in editing.
I get the reverse sometimes, where I feel like I've been using a phrase/word too much and ctrl-f it to find that I've not even used it once.
On a similar note, what about avoiding starting consecutive sentences with the same word/letter? I try to do so if I can help it. Worst times is when, say, three lines all start with "I" in a row. I know the reader probably doesn't notice or care but it feels so wrong that I force myself to reword things.

For a "thank you for playing" CG unlockable after completing a VN, would a group image of all the heroines plus MC or 3 separate images of the three heroines with the MC be preferable? I'd appreciate responses:
http://strawpoll.me/6368814

>>126529518
>$400-480
No one is going to pay you that. It's a landscape painting for a damn visual novel, not AAA game concept pieces.

>>126536335
What you think you're worth does have to contrast with what people are actually willing to pay you, or you'll need to look elsewhere for your employment.

Maybe your skill level is high enough that you think you are charging fairly at $400 for a background. But NO ONE in the EVN market, not even the rich buggers, is going to pay it. You will have to peddle your skills to individual one-off commissions (and that's tough at high rates unless you are a known name) or try to approach big companies with massive budgets.

Or you could just be using your high price as a way of saying "I fucking hate painting backgrounds, but if you bribe me THIS much, then..." and therefore safely ensuring that nobody asks you to do it.

>>126546884
I like group shots more.

>>126528726
>>126527769
As someone who buys backgrounds, yeah, i'd pay 70 for this. I might hesitate if you start going up to the 100+ range

>>126515463
This belongs in /v/weeaboos/

>>126549205
Any particular reason why?

>>126549745
Just gives off a feeling of completion and makes for a nicer picture usually. Bonus points for a scene of cast members doing something together (if applicable).

>>126549745
Happy group images are rarer within the games themselves, where we're more likely to already have a nice pic of the main character with each individual girl.

>>126550156
>>126550284
Group image it is, then. It works out cheaper, anyhow.

>>126552741
>Three adjectives to one noun
eww

>tfw MLanon didn't deliver

>>126553342
ML anon's biggest fetish aside from monster boys is breaking promises.

>>126546884
That would depend on the routes in my opinion. If you get one heroine, but then have a thanks for playing with all 3 in it, it might be a little odd. Likewise, if it's a single route, or there are routes unrelated to a specific heroine's ending, it would be weird to have only that one heroine show up in the image.

>>126553571
"after completing" implies 100% or true route.

>>126553317
Cut out seemingly perpetual and it would read alright to me.

>>126553571
>>126553667
It only unlocks after completing all of the routes.

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Threadly reminder to NAME AND SHAME (con)artists.

>>126546436
Ooh, this really bugs me - when you have lots of sentences that start w/ the same word, and sometimes same letter ('I' being the primary offender in 1st person VNs).
I never worry about overusing words/phrases in my draft, I tend to draft stuff up very, very quickly and just kind of... vomit up words all over the page, haha. But that's why, when I come to editing, it takes forever, and I have lots and lots and lots of stuff to edit. I spend ages restructuring sentences and nitpicking about word usage and stuff, because I'm so lax when I do my first drafts.

>>126553342
Sorry anon, I got deadly sick from my christmas dinner. It should be up tonight.

>>126556540
>dying for her sins
ML anon really is literally the savior of BL.

Which EVN (in the first person) has the best prose/writing?

>>126557547
Katawa shoujo

>>126549745

Because it captures the work as a whole more than other alternatives. A large part of what makes characters work is their relationship to other characters-- so a group image can capture the dynamic or give them an in context presentation rather than isolated.

>>126539670

It's the same as any art-- objective technicals and subjective style. Art is not some fluffy entirely subjective experience-- almost every form has technicals. For visual art, it can be perspective, anatomy, grasp of form, proportions, composition etc. For writing it is diction, syntax, figurative language, wordplay, theme, voice, use of other techniques,

Comparable skill is best determined by looking at the execution of the technical portion and then the maturity/nuance/depth of the subjective portion.

>>126557901
Serious or joking?

>>126557547
best at pulling off a fancy prose style, Juniper's Knot or The Royal Trap. best at writing in terms of theme and structure to support it, That Cheap and Sacred Thing.

>>126557547
I'd probably say... Something like The Royal Trap. I think Hanako Games stuff has strong writing in general. It's nothing special, but it's competent and information is conveyed very clearly.

Actually, I really, really liked the Rin route in Katawa Shoujo. I think that is probably my favorite eg of writing in an EVN - I liked all the similes and how weird Rin was as a character, and how angsty it became. The writing in the rest of Katawa Shoujo is also decent, but a bit too cliche and just generally uninteresting (I'm mainly looking at Emi's route here).

>>126559595
How do you think the other routes are cliche but Mentally Ill Introspective Artist route isn't?

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I doubt anyone remembers me but I'm still alive and working on the project. I am still endlessly searching for an artist willing to draw rape, lolicon, incest and insertion.

>>126560406
You the one with the dog rape?

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>>126560743
I'm not that anon but I'm happy as my requests don't sound so out there compared to that. I'm creating a yuri vn with a Rance like MC.

>>126560109
Cause other routes have a lot of stock cliche stuff in them: the overblown confession in Lily's route, the way it ends where it tries to trick you into thinking she left when lolnope ofc not, the drama about Emi's dad and the fact Hisao is too dense to realize what happened though it's blatantly obvious, the weird loud anime-y comic relief dad in Shizune's route, and her shota crossdressing little brother, Hanako's entire personality...

I think Rin's route is easily the least cliche - at least, if we're talking cliches that are usually found in VNs. As a character, she's the one that least fits into a popular JVN stereotype (Emi = genki girl, Hanako = shy girl, Lily = ojou-sama... I guess Shizune is also a bit different to stock, being so confident and headstrong), and Rin just seemed like the most believable out of all of the characters. Or, maybe not believable, but it felt like more thought/effort was put into her personality and fleshing her out than the others.

>>126561284
I will never get over shizune's route going from the most well written of act 1 to going to complete ass when the full route was finally released. Also I personally found the whole lesbian crush thing completely ham handed. I wanted to comfort misha, NOT STICK MY DICK IN HER.

>>126561537
Men and women can never be completely platonic friends, not even in vn's. You either stick your dick into them or they're invisible and don't matter. If your going to comfort a woman, you better believe it's gonna be with your dick.

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>>126562232

Backstage Pass is going to get voices on January 1st, according to the latest news.

>>126561537
This so much. Fucking Misha was some weird attempt I think to satiate all the people that wanted Misha route. The whole thing was fucking uncomfortable-- she gave no inclination she was into cock, that sex scene was THE most uncomfortable thing, and I know people do stupid shit like this but the way it was handled was a fucking wreck.

I'm still mad.

>>126563387

What if Hisao dressed as Shizune while Misha pegged him. That'd have been a better conclusion, then Hisao because a pretend mute fucboi surrogate.

>>126563363
Are any of the VAs good enough for it to be worth the wait?

>>126564117
Hahahahaha hahaha ha

>>126563363
I wanted to buy this for a while, but put if off since not having voices meant it seemed unfinished. I'm kinda excited.

>>126564516
It's still missing the MC's voice I think...

On one hand I want as many people as possible to read my VN, but on the other hand the idea of even 1 fuckface doing a lets play of it for the sake of youtube jewgold whilst pandering to a bunch of pewdiepie drones makes me want to only release it within the confines of these threads. But then I suppose someone would leak it, regardless.

>>126564808
If you're selling it for money, then their jewgold can become your jewgold if they're popular enough.

>>126564808
If you want to be a little bitch about it you can issue no-LP rules and issue takedowns on anyone trying to post videos.

>>126565214
Nah its free.
>>126565292
Little bitch it is. I don't want someone making bank off of my blood, sweat and tears.

>>126564808
Why would you not want someone to spread the awareness of your game around? That's just stupid.

>>126565384
Because I don't want someone like this to play my work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwBp-IZNrFI
They only play these to get views, jewgold and pander to their shitty fans. They give no fucks about the work itself.

>>126564808
I have no prob with people LPing my stuff, even annoying people, but I don't watch any LPs of any of my stuff - mainly cause I know they'd embarrass me. I can handle written criticism ok (mostly), but the thought of seeing somebody pick apart my writing and making lolsofunny jokes about everything, even tiny things, all for the sake of playing to an audience, makes me feel super anxious.

>>126565629
All the reasons you list are the reasons I don't want it happening in the first place. No such thing as bad publicity is bullshit.

>>126565517
i doubt the huniepop devs would care about this, they seem even skeezier than all the guys who LP them.
also huniepop is more likely to be LPed than a VN, since it has gameplay elements, so it's probably slightly easier to make an interesting vid? I imagine really slow, lowkey, gloomy KNs would be harder to do entertaining LPs of since the audience would get bored.

>>126565813
Well my work is practically a kinetic novel with 0 gameplay elements so can I assume I'm safe?

>>126565813
>LPing any KN
Worst idea of all the time.

>>126565813
There are lp's of Cupid.

>>126565741
Yeah but I won't disallow it because if a well-known person LPs something it could bring in more dolla, and if I don't watch the LP in the first place it won't bother me cause I won't know what they've said!

>>126565934
Yeah, but by smaller youtubers who focus exlusively on VNs, I think

>>126565934
People do LP KNs, but I imagine it's only certain people (who already LP a lot of VNs) who would go for them... So probably people who already like VNs? It's different with stuff like Sakura Spirit, since people LP them for all the naked girls, which will draw in a viewership, but for something like Cupid, I can't imagine anybody other than people who genuinely like the medium wanting to play them, since there's no naked girls and no actual gameplay to draw in a wider viewership.

>>126557547
Mine, I shit on y'all niggas.

>>126566526
but how can yours have the best writing when mine clearly does?! checkmate.

>>126566595
How do we settle this? Rap battle? Collab?

>complaining about the possibility of literally free advertising to hundreds of thousands of customers who buy things just because their favorite eceleb told them to
wew lad

>>126567054
collab?

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>>126567125
> implying people will buy a 'game' they can watch for free on youtube

>>126567350
If he is in amurrica, then it's the truth.

>>126567450
But he explicitly stated in the OP that he's russian.

>>126567489
Then the guy replying probably didn't see that?

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>>126567350

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Which is a more realistic scenario to make someone submit to you:
Teasing them and keeping them on edge for hours but stopping every time right before they climax
Spanking them repeatedly until their ass is redder than a baboon's?

>>126568249
>Teasing them and keeping them on edge for hours but stopping every time right before they climax

This.

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>tfw you thought you found a good artist
>it turns out they have tonytaka sameface syndrome

>>126567389
You have no idea how those people work.

>>126568249
give us both options to play through!

i know nothing of real-world submission although I expect in the real world they want to submit anyway so you're not really making them. effective fictional breaking scenes usually like to mix up the stimuli. you need to give them suffering but you also need to provide pleasure, and with a big reward waiting for them when they give in.

beating someone's ass until they scream for you to stop has only the limited reward of 'stopping'. keeping someone on edge and denying them that relief has a bigger reward factor after they swear they'll do anything you say.

>>126567389
It's a mix, and most youtube LPs are really slow, so many people who are willing to buy games, but hadn't previously heard of the title, get interested and go buy the thing instead of waiting for the LPer to finish.

people who already know about the game are less likely to be won over and more likely to keep watching someone else play and save them the effort/shekels

>>126570187
I wish I could but I have a limited budget which means 3 CG's per heroine only, and having a spanking scene without the appropriate sprite/CG to accompany it is pretty pointless.

In this scenario the submission is forced as its being delivered as punishment. The 'reward' in this scene is them stopping. I do want it to end in them pissing all over themselves just to add to the humiliation.

wake up..

>>126571039
Would a solid ass-beating really make you piss yourself? That sounds more likely to be an issue with some tickle-related torture, which orgasm denial might count as.

Or maybe if you've been getting your butt spanked into a tomato, when it all stops and you hang limp and sore and with your skin on fire, you can't help relaxing with exhaustion and that makes you pee?

>>126572543
Maybe they were forced to chug some Gatorade beforehand?

>>126571039
If they have a very low pain tolerance, then spanking could work. If the one spanking them acts as if they have stopped, then suddenly whacks them very hard, they can piss themselves out of surprise. Or out of nervousness or fear. The pressure of being bent over (assuming they are over the knee) could also add to them having to pee.

>>126572543
>>126572703
>>126573072
Thanks for all the help, I've decided to use orgasm denial on one heroine and spanking on the other since they have a low pain tolerance and peeing themselves would really help bring the mindbreak home.

>>126573072
>pressure of being bent over
No, that won't add any pressure to wanting to piss. Maybe if they were forced to squat over a dick, they could probably feel the pressure to pee because they are squatting and their legs are spread.

>>126573971
Girls piss themselves doing sit ups.

>>126573971
I think I'd have to take >>126572703 suggestion and make the MC force them to chug water beforehand.

>>126574113
I don't know about you but I'm at much more risk of peeing from sneezing than from situps.

>>126574760
Is that why girls sneeze so daintily, because they're afraid of peeing all over themselves?

>>126574113
And? Being bent over a knee and just lying there isn't going to make you want to piss unless you've been drinking a shit load of liquids already. Squatting will. Or tickling. Or any act where your legs are forced apart.

>>126574939
Yes it will if there's pressure against their bladder.

>>126575130
What pressure would that be? Lying on some one's lap and getting your ass spanked is not pressure.

>>126575283
Your knee on their mid section.

>>126575283
The knee you're laying over.

>>126575508
>>126575582
I can both tell you, with certainty, you will not feel a pressure to pee in that position.

>>126575686
Just because you never have does not mean it does not happen.

>tfw you find an artist with no morals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

>>126576414

Morals are overrated in Capitalism.

>>126578351
Hi Taosym

>>126578417

I-is it bad I don't even know who that is?

>>126578538
Hi, welcome to your first /evn/ thread! I'm JP, your tour guide. Taosym is one of the legends around here and you'd do good to remember his name.

>>126578679

What is he (in)famous for?

>>126579403
futa and being defensive

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>>126578351
Isn't it wonderful?

>>126579403
His kind and progressive attitudes toward the LGBT community, especially the T, and fighting those that would discriminate against his games based on that. There's a little bit of him inside all of us.

>>126579795
.....giggity

>>126579403
Imagine someone fighting for furries being taken seriously. Now imagine that person does it based entirely on animal rights.

That's what Taosym is all about, only it's futanari and transgenderism instead.

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>>126578679

Listen Javier Prowsley, futa is the greatest fetish in the world and you'd do best to remember that.

>>126580081
>>126579795
>>126579683
>>126579660

I gazed a gazely stare, and spoke into his eyes I thoguht you died alone, a long long time ago...

Is having a free visual novel but also having a donate if you'd like to option jewing out?

>>126584184
No. It's just a free download button with some extra writing no one pays attention to.

>>126584184
Why would it be? It's also kind of pointless because practically no one will donate but wev

>>126584184

This would probably cover monthly server costs for a few months maybe.

>>126515463
>/vn/ is ready to answer it
not unless all 4 of the threads got deleted by Mods

Sometimes I feel like i'm not smart enough for all this.

>>126585357
They all got deleted holy shit. Where do I go now. Please send help

>>126585357
What the fuck happened?

>>126585560
Get outta here, we don't accept refugees.

>>126585705
But I like Katawa Shoujo and Juniper's Knot.

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>>126585560
D-Don't make me be responsible!!
thats what im wondering myself, im waiting for someone to make a new thread but ltierally all 4 of them got deleted

>>126585772
How do I know you're not a terrorist?

>>126585705
B-but i was just talking about memerider over there!! i like EVN!!! pls take me when i have no home

It's up again, guys.
Let's go back to our home.

>>126585560
Pls buy our evn

>>126585983
Im planning on buying Sunrider: LD how much do you think its gonna be? 40?
>>126585979
is called /vn/ and no shitpost in the OP, all is well

>>126580559
That's seriously JP's real name?

>>126587709
No, his name is Jesus Pratt.

Are 3D warehouse models free to use in vn backgrounds? I'm confused by the tos

Typing on a mechanical keyboard is so much more enjoyable than my old one-- this satisfying typewriter clack is amazing. Clackclackclack. I love this thing.

>>126588112
post the tos

>>126587709
Jack Powers. We went over this before.

>>126588578
https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/tos.html
I think part 10 is the relevant part

>>126589001
wait not part 10
I cannot read

Is solstice actually out? I've heard next to nothing about it

>>126591693
It's out to pre-order customers afaik, official launch after the holiday seasson

Ho ho hum

>>126597109
Fee fi fo fum, I smell the blood of a nodev.

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>>126556540

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Are there any EVNs that are actually good? It seems like the majority are either meme-tier (Kitkat Showjew), utter trash (Sakura), or deviantart-tier (Sunrider).
Seems like most of the good VNs are either uninteresting or untranslated; Pic related

>>126599360
Pic related, as in, pic related is shit? Because I wholeheartedly agree with you anon.

>>126599360
That game is kinda meme tier now.

>>126599360
You can try cupid if you like dark stuff? It's free.

People seem to like junipers knot, also free, though its not my favorite.

>>126599360
I'm so tired of people who can't even read Totono shitting themselves over it with praise because they read some greentext summary.

>>126599360
>It seems like the majority are either meme-tier (Kitkat Showjew), utter trash (Sakura), or deviantart-tier (Sunrider).

>I know nothing about EVNs but I'm sure this is a cutting remark

I mean FFS if you knew anything about EVNs, the 'majority' are in much worse tiers than those, but also fairly irrelevant because the actual majority of EVNs are made by ESL teenagers in Asia.

>>126599616
Yeah apparently the game itself is boring clusterfuck of slice of life scenes. Only the twist ending redeems it

>>126599360
"That Cheap and Sacred Thing" is very good, IMO. People like Cupid a lot, I personally like Break Chance Memento though a lot of people seem to dislike the art.

DIGITAL: A Love Story is pretty fun too.

I need to start keeping a list of my favorites.

>>126600108
I also don't like people who dislike games they can't read because someone else said they didn't like it.

>>126600298
And I don't like people praising a game they've never read because someone else said it was good.

>>126600213
>I personally like Break Chance Memento though a lot of people seem to dislike the art.
Even the artist!

>>126599360

Aviary Attorney is great

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>>126600083
>Sunrider is a high standard
>Sunrider: Mask of Arcadia is comparatively *good*
>In which a plucky band of high-school aged heroes fights an evil empire with a cutting-edge aviation battleship and a handful of snowflake mecha
>The main villain is a scrawny guy in an elf mask whose Master Plan involves marrying the space-byzantine empress by force to secure a legitimate claim to the galaxy. He has no further plans on what to do with his newfound galactic domination
>The firstgirl is (surprise!) the princess of Space Byzantium, who ran away because she didn't want to be a pretty pretty princess. You talk to her about democracy.
>The only part that deviates from established tropes and cliched anime bullshit is when you get to let a ship full of diplomats die in order for Space-NATO to gain a legit cassus belli
>This, despite the Pact LITERALLY NUKING CITIES FROM ORBIT for shits and giggles immediately prior
>Art is mediocre 3d, with clearly-repeated textures over everything.
>Tactical gameplay is surprisingly good, with even the first battles requiring some amount of tactics and thought
>Tactical gameplay encourages battlegroup tactics and overlapping shield bubbles(!)
>4.5/10, there's a decent game under all this shit
>"the majority of EVNs are much worse than these"

>>126600592
>meme game

>>126600659

It really isn't.

>>126600213
Analogue: A Hate Story and Hate Plus are also *really* good. Hate Plus in particular really tickled the /pol/ack in me.

>>126600643
Ah fuck you spoiled me.

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>>126601084
I saved you the trouble.

>>126600643
Well, if you read the rest of the post and saw what I was calling the "majority", then yes. The majority of 10-minute-long my-first-renpy games by kids from malyasia are much, much worse than slightly-above-mediocre.

It's also pointless because nobody actually cares about those awful games any more than they care about some jap posting a picture of his sneeze on DLsite.

Hwa hwa hwa!

>The game contains 6,988 dialogue blocks, containing 82,422 words

So slow, so slow...

>>126565629
I'm similar, just from the art side of things. I've received loads of critique on art communities and it helped me a lot but I'm put off LPs after I saw the first one for a VN I drew for and the first five minutes were just making fun of every single line and shape.

Allahu Akbar. Don't forget to celebrate New Year's Eve with a bang, or more preferably, the sounds of AKs and takbirs.

>>126565813
Do you think romance let's plays would be hard, too?

Ayy sent a list of assets for a quota.

>>126580559
I want to write a character called Javier Prowsley now, that's an incredible name.

>>126584270
Nah cause nobody donates to pay what you want VNs : D

>>126600643

Complainers can have illogical arguments to, anon.

Morning, /evn/!

How is everyone this average day?

>>126614150
I'm really sleepy for no reason which is killing my dev schedule. I got 12 hours of sleep last night.

>>126615287

Sucks man. I got six hours of sleep even though I need more. I'll be getting more later, probably.

>>126600643
>>126601257
I actually thought about playing this because it was free, but thanks for saving me time.

>>126619416

The tactical segment is fun at least.

I hope they improved for the game they're trying to release next year, but...

Is $800 for 10 CG's a good deal? I like their art.

>>126620936
Post an example of their work.

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>>126620987
I forgot that price also included 3 sprites with 6 expressions ea. This is their latest artwork. Their soft shading package price is $1100 though.

>>126621490
If they deliver the quality they advertise, then it sounds like a good deal.

Some people advertise a couple of fluke great works they did, while their consistent quality is below that, so watch out for that.

>>126621710
Oh shit. I'll have to ask if them if they can ensure consistent quality as it did look like a bit of a hit/miss gallery, although it could just be it was old/rushed artwork. Thanks for the advice.

>>126588585

Liar, everyone knows it's Johannes Popperlily

>>126622172

I thought it was Joseph Penisstein.

>>126515463
I have absolutely no idea where to start when it comes to GUI design, I know the pre-made renpy ones look like shit but thats it.

>>126625984

Go look at some Japanese eroge for examples to emulate?

>>126625984
There a tumble called visual novel interfaces, go steal something from there.

>>126625984
when i want gui inspiration i just open up vndb and search a random tag, then just scroll through the list of vns that come up and see what their gui looks like
this is usually only helpful for textboxes though

dedder than ded

>>126633761
Post your thoughts about evns you've played recently/this year.

>>126634498
Woah. Who plays visual novels on this thread?

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>>126634498
Euphoria, pretty fukn weird, but not as much as i expected

>>126634498
>Implying there are any OELVNs worthy of my time
This year was shit for VNs. The only one I played that left any lasting impression was Kara no shoujo 2. Read a lot of good books though.

>>126635761
>This year was shit for VNs
Nope, it was actually pretty good. Talking about JVNs, of course.

>>126634498
>Sakura Santa
Pretty shit. Pretty CGs but not worth the money.

>SC2VN
Not bad but kinda short.

>Over The Hills And Far Away
One of my favorites, really enjoyable. Bit short and strange.

>Sunrider
Ehh, same as before. Pretty consistent. Lots of anime cliches.

>tfw ML anon didn't deliver again

>>126635761
If the ones that were kickstarted the last few years start coming out, then 2016 should be much better.

>>126636148
Really? What good VNs came out this year? I genuinely can't think of anything I was excited about that didn't disappoint me.

What does /vg/ think of https://vndb.org/g2212?
I've fallen in love with a visual novels' OST and I can't afford to use anything but shitty stock tracks so its not like I could hire someone to replicate it. Said visual novel is so old is considered abandonware anyway and its not like I'd be able to get a hold of the now defunct company to ask if it'd be okay to use it in my project.

>>126638489
>/vg/

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>>126638701
Just let the typo go.

>>126638470
Gahkthun, Noble Works, Starless, euphoria, Princess Evangile, eden*, Koirizo, No Thank You

>>126638489
Just don't do it. If you really want nice music that badly, you'll pay a musician.

>>126638470
No thank you!!! Also didn't asphyxia come out this year too? If so, that one as well.

>>126638489
>Said visual novel is so old is considered abandonware anyway and its not like I'd be able to get a hold of the now defunct company to ask if it'd be okay to use it in my project.
You'd better at least try and if you can't, don't do it, because there was a group that did the exact same thing with background art from a game and they got busted and raked over the coals.

There's also a LOT more VNs that use royalty free music than that.

>>126639689
At this rate the only way I'll be able to get the result I want is to jew out and attempt a kikestarter campaign.

>>126639885
Oh, ouch. Which group was it?

>>126639916
Do it. Everyone else does it anyway, what have you got to lose?

>>126640045
Marble Syrup. Upon further recollection, they stole the art entirely, not just BGs, and their reasoning for it was basically your post:
>If they're disbanded, what's the harm? The game is 10 years old. That's practically a lifetime in Internet time. Nobody will ever find out. Even if somebody did, would the original makers even care? It's not like it would to hurt their bottom line - who knows if they're even still selling the game at all.

>>126640126
>what have you got to lose?
My pride. But when I look at the shit that gets thousands of shekels thrown at it, and even projects that have thousands of shekels thrown at it and don't complete said project and people still don't start a manhunt over it, I don't feel so guilty.

Why is it so hard to write?

>>126642057
It isn't. Just vomit onto the page until your first draft is finished. Then edit the fuck out of that shit until you're happy with it, then get some feedback and edit some more.

>>126642057
Why is it so hard to find a decent artist?

>>126637819
Antichrist of BL!

>>126642405
If she is the Anti Christ, then who will be the True Savior of BL?

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>>126643992

Diabolical genius Togo Mito, of course.

>>126642404
The good ones have full-time jobs and/or don't speak English

>>126642404
It isn't. Finding a decent non-flake writer for hire is near impossible.

>>126642404
Not hard at all. They're just all busy and too expensive.

>>126644625
I found a decent artist and they can barely speak/understand english. I'm still tempted to hire them because of their quality.

>>126645169
What language?

>>126645358
They're from thailand.

>>126645169
Do it and exploit them.

>>126644627
>Finding a decent non-flake writer for hire is near impossible.
This. Also people wanting 5c per word can kiss my ass.

>>126644627
How much are you offering to pay?

>>126645637
I want to, but I feel like I'd have no right to complain if they produced something entirely different from my explanations of what I want.
Also they've never drawn for a visual novel project before and I have real doubts that they even understand what one is. I stated I needed 10 CG's and 3 character sprites and they replied asking how much art I wanted.

>>126645809
To be fair, that's not exactly clear. How many poses and expressions for the sprites? Variations for CGs?

>>126645650
Artists charging $400+ per CG for non commercial use can kiss my ass.

>>126645909
Oh, well I guess that is my bad. I stated that I needed those as well. Still, their poor wording/spelling in general makes me wary.

>>126645938
That sounds extremely unreasonable and high.

>>126646578
I stand corrected, prices can go for $420-500.
http://tonee89.deviantart.com/journal/COMMISSION-Update-404909840

Speaking of artists...
>friend giving suggestions about who to hire
>he recommend me 'bunbun'
>look and see its the guy who ran off on noby and other projects

Shame since he's pretty good.

>>126646813
Does this guy actually get work?

>>126646813
>reasonably priced backgrounds

That's really random. Usually anime artists want an arm and leg. That guy is really good though, shame about price.

>>126645650
At least 5 cents per word is an understandable ask.

It's still more than an EVN dev can pay if they haven't done some fundraising first, but it's not heart-attack-laughing level.

>>126645650
Fu*k you.

>>126647326
Probably? Artists who specialise in detailed single comissions often have prices like that.

They usually either are willing to take very different prices for a bulk order or don't want bulk orders at all.

>>126648719
5 cents per word is a gross undersell of writing talent. You should be thankful people would work for that when the industry standard is 25 cents a word!

>>126647326
look where those dakimakuras are from if you want to see who's hiring him

>>126648719
I think it is when you read their godawful samples and see that they have no track record for completing work. To get 30,000 words would be around $1500 and that can fetch a decent CG artist. 30,000 is a months work for me if I'm being slow.

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are you allowed to link to NSFW stuff on a blue board if you give a warning?

>>126649896

You don't even need to give a warning, you just can't upload nsfw images directly.

>>126637819
Probably still sick.

>>126649896
Links are fine and you dont need to warn.

>>126649896
Welcome to 4chan. Yes you can.

>>126650074
>>126650092
Thanks for letting me know. I've been researching different artists for a week now, and came up with a shortlist. I've put their respective pros and cons and the art examples are their latest posted work. I'd like some feedback on which one you think I should hire, as I really can't make up my mind on my own. The prices listed are the bare minimum of what it would cost me to hire them:
http://s17.postimg dot org/4v8sko7hb/choices.png

Strawpoll: http://strawpoll.me/6379124

>>126651356
Could you at least post the artist names or galleries? It'd be helpful to see multiple examples of their work to see their consistency. Also $1100 looks like the shittiest either way, I'd toss them out of the running.

>>126651806
Sorry, I'm new at this and I didn't see the need since all of their work is consistent, quality wise (they wouldn't be on my shortlist if they weren't) and thank you for your feedback.

>>126651356
390 or 975 look best to me. Wouldn't even consider 910 or 1100

>>126651806
Poacher.

>>126652061
It's kind of hard for us to decide if we can't see. 390's a pretty bad example to showcase their art. I would probably go with 975.

>>126652293
I'm not even a dev.

>>126652364
I should clarify I don't mean 390's art looks bad, but that I can't judge the art I'd like for an eroge from a picture where I can barely see the woman's body.

>>126651356

Wouldn't give 1100 a second thought. That sample looks like crap and if they have moral qualms with the work you want it's likely not worth pursuing, especially at that price.

The other three seem like decent options. 910 has a shitty background but seems more competent than the rest in most other areas (hardly seems fair to judge them on that when 975 didn't even attempt a background).

975 is the strongest at rendering/color, but I think 910 has the best linework/anatomy. Personally, I feel like strong base art is more important (you could always theoretically hire another colorist and only have the artist do line art if their coloring isn't up to snuff, but if you hire an artist who is good at rendering but has issues with anatomy/lines you could run into trouble)

>>126652243
>>126652364
>>126652841
>>126652841
Updated with more examples. Thanks for the feedback thus far.
http://s16.postimg dot org/t3kfsbfat/choicess.png

>>126654247
Oh, and a positive for 910 which I forgot to mention is that they are the only who seems to like and have passion/are enthusiastic about the project. Which I would hope would make them less likely to flake out on me.

>>126654247
I'd definitely go with 975, but 390's not bad if you're not willing to swing that high.

>>126654801
With 975 I'd have to dip into my savings which I really don't want to do (still really paranoid about the language barrier).

>>126651356
I don't get it, is the price the total of all the work you are hiring them for, or is it just per image?

>>126656186
Minimum price for all the work. No one charges those kinds of prices per image, not even >>126646813

>>126656186
Not him, but pretty obviously total.

hwa hwa

Still trying to do my own gui. starting to think this was a bad idea lol

>>126651356
Amusing enough, I recognize 3 of the artists. 1100 is RA: Fates's artist.

>>126658686
>1100 is RA: Fates's artist

And everyone is saying not to consider it. Kind of sad.

That feel when your VN, if you don't just write a book instead, will likely have bargain basement art and freeware music so people will call it shit even if it isn't.

>>126560406
>>126561017
>stuff
>yuri
/ll/ or whatever?

What's the best aspect ratio/resolution that I should be using?

>>126561017
I remember you. Did you change your original plan or are they still only "Rance-like" in one of the routes?

>>126659734
Yeah.
>>126660014
I changed it. My inspiration was to create something refreshing and fun for the yuri vn genre so I rewrote the routes to include as little angst as possible.

>>126659414
>will likely have bargain basement art and freeware music so people will call it shit even if it isn't
If it's any consolation, if it's really good it will still be called shit because of the bargain basement art and freeware music

>>126625984
What's your favorite game, anon? Get inspiration from those then brutally emulate them until you can get something you actually like for your own work.

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>>126661000
From the responses I've been trawling through all the VN's I've got on my hard drive and I really like this interface: https://vndb.org/v12158
It's not on the images but the start menu is what I like the most. How much it cost roughly to have someone emulate something like this?

>>126659301
I'm confused. Is it sad because Fates looks terrible and they made a bad choice or sad that Fates looks good and they wouldn't consider?

>>126652243
>>126651356

The 1100 one is artistically the most skillful on the list, the others all have strange anatomy or faces.

>>126664342

You have no idea what you're talking about

>>126664342
>>126664682

It's 910 actually, either way none of them are worth close to $1000

>>126665098
Those prices are the totals.

>>126665334
For how much work?

>>126666326
I don't know, I'm not him, just saying you can't say they're not worth it without knowing how much they're doing.

>>126666326
>>126666587
It's 10 CG's (with multiple chars/bg) plus 3 sprites.

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Looks good

>>126666914

Sounds like a rip, desu.

Then again, art is where the money is.

>>126667993
Sadly even semi-decent artists can charge out the ass and still get a decent base of customers. The days of being able to take advantage of a decent artist who doesn't know any better are long gone. All the actual decent artists have become jews on paetron now.

>>126668192

On the bright side, that just means you have to find someone willing to scab.

>>126668338
>find someone willing to scab.
What does that mean?

>>126667993
Just curious, how much would you expect to pay for that amount of work?

>>126668668

It's a term related to being a non-union worker paid to work during a union strike. It's basically undercutting the competition./

>>126668787

Whatever the person charges, really, because art has no real value.

>>126668997
>sounds like they're ripping you off
>art has no value
Which one is it?

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>>126668192

>Oh no people who actually spent their entire lives learning a trade can't be scammed anymore by exploitative do nothings.

>>126669059

Let me clarify. No definite value.

You can't look at art and say that's worth $20.

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>>126669117
Tragic, isn't it?

>>126669117

>entire lives learning a trade
Now now, you're thinking of carpenters, and they tend to get jewed by their bosses and leg breaking unions.

whilst we're on the subject
I've already trawled through deviantart, hentai foundry and lemna soft forums to find a suitable artist and come up short. Are there any other art sites/forums I can check out?

>>126669190

(Same person)
By the same token, I can't say that a different piece of art is worth $100, purely because the enjoyment of art is subjective.

>>126669527

I got a decent guy trawling in /evn/.

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>>126669620
I think everyone can agree this shit is overpriced.

>>126669527
Pixiv

>>126669117
I'd have to find a real job then! Dreadful to think about.

>>126669848
well shit
all I've ever seen are overpriced bg artists posting here.

>>126669923
>third worlders are cheap

>>126669923

That's a lot more money than I want to pay.

I'm cheap, mind you, but there's probably art out there that I could say 'yeah, I can see you selling that for that much'.

>>126669923
By my standards that's overpriced for the level on offer, although if the artist gets takers for it and the buyers are happy and the artist is happy...

I'm just looking at this as a "I don't want to take a lot of commissions" post, myself.

>>126527769
>>126528726
Is this 3d made or 2d?

>>126670050
>>126670063
I told you. Now even ms paint babies think they have the right to charge $50+

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>>126670050

This guy was from one of them Second World countries.

We never did talk turkey, but he did good work, so I probably would not have jewed him.

>>126670283
That face looks like ass, man...

>>126670205
Yeah, and people doing 20 hours watercolors think they have to charge $5. I could find you examples. What's your point?

People charge a lot of different rates, based on what they think they're worth, how much work they want to do, how good they are at finding clients, etc. Finding one person who is overpriced does not mean everyone is charging that or more.

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>>126670773
>I could find you examples
yes please find me someone to jew

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>>126671082
Considering the pricing I strongly doubt they're any use for exploiting, it's probably a kid who's never done much work and would crack immediately if you tried to get them to do a game.

This girl isn't good enough for pro-level work but is charging less than ten euros for this.

>>126671524
That's shit, what are you doing?

>>126671708
this
no way are watercolors suitable for anything /evn/ related.
step it up, senpai

>>126671923
>no way are watercolors suitable for anything /evn/ related
I wouldn't say that. It'd depend on the type of game you're making. It could very well work in some sort of fairy tale or lighthearted fantasy setting.

>>126671923
It's not the medium, it's the artwork itself. Anatomy is all over the damn place.

>>126671923
I never said they were (although someone is making a watercolor yuri evn). I mentioned that some people are charging very low rates for things they clearly spent a long time on, in cotrast to people charging $200 for a scribble. Keep up.

>>126672276
>someone is making a watercolor yuri evn
link pls

>>126672276
the time you spent on it is irrelevant to the costumer, what they see is the result.

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>>126672475
They probably mean The Parasol Festival.

>>126672590
This is again, not relevant, since it was posted in rebuttal to someone saying that all artists were overpriced and overentitled.

>>126672983
That guy went on hiatus to do some weird touhou card game I think.

>>126672983
How long is that game going to take?

>>126672091

Anything childish or surreal could TOTALLY use water colors.

Like the kind of story where the protagonist is high as hell.

>find nice reference for a bedroom background I want
>two dudes having anal on the bed

I'll just... white that out

Speaking of anal, are there any BL evn in production/close to being released? Besides monsters and that one voice acting evn.

>>126670584

I thought it looked all right.

I'm a budget guy, though, so I can't afford to pay aces.

>>126675803

Speaking of anal, why is Emi's anal scene the only straight anal scene I can think of?

>>126676736
Because anal is disgusting, and any vn that includes it is shit tier.

>>126676736
>Emi's
Ks? There's anal in that?