Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood

>>377757547
Based on this implication:
>They mention that changes to major debuffs (assuming slashing and whatnot) will be shifted so that as long as you are doing a somewhat normal rotation they should be automatic.
Does this mean that the slashing debuff will be done by all tanks possibly?

>>377757748
Sounds almost like simplifying the rotation so that you don't have combos for every day of the week? Might be nice, especially given they're adding new abilities

>>377755940

>ozma
>stand on the arena in such a way that you put a gap between yourself and the party member
>rescue!

that's the only big issue i see with this, anything else is a minor annoyance, since they can just heal you after wasting your time

>>377757547
Someone post PLD's block

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>upset yet not surprised they listened to heal-only babies and got rid of Cleric Stance
>remember how frustrating CS was. sometimes it wouldn't come off or would come off and get on again due to double click
>now have a skill that pulls party members for giggles

I'm not sure what to make out of the situation. I still dislike that the gap between a good SCH and a bad SCH will be way smaller now.

Summary of Live Letter information:
https://pastebin.com/rN6b75Gm
Updated as new details come to light.

I like the role-shared action system but it has a problem. It seems to be trying to offer players a choice of what abilities to take, but some of the abilities are 100% mandatory, and not even from an optimization point of view. Just from a "can clear content" point of view.

Healers HAVE to take Esuna and Lucid Dream, and probably Swiftcast too. On top of that most of them are probably going to want to take Protect and Affection (assuming it's just divine seal like the icon suggests). Which doesn't even leave room for Cleric Stance, E4E or Rescue. I guess they really want you to switch stuff out based on the fight.

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>yfw PLD

>>377758217
>I still dislike that the gap between a good SCH and a bad SCH will be way smaller now.
Why?

Everyone gets their synergies: the expansion.

>>377758243
Since Pacification isn't a thing anymore, is Esuna REALLY required?

>>377757748
i think they've moved the debuffs around, like maim now does the slashing debuff and path does the damage increase

>>377758243
>have us make a choice between 5 of 9 skills
>5 are mandatory pieces of the original kits

I was really looking forward to using rescue, too.

I just want some people to play this game with, everyone I played with has quit. As cool as all the changes look, this game's content just isn't sustainable for a solo player to find entertainment in for very long.

>>377758372
>Ever removing pacification.
>Not mocking warriors for having a berserk macro.

>>377758323

Because its shit. Same with the WM stuff. Anything with the slightest bit of inconvenience must be changed for the shitters. Already with the cross class actions, we're seeing any sort of specialized class (NIN) get phased out and soon in 5.0 the only real difference between roles will be how easy it is for them to do the same dps as x shitter.

>>377758380
Well the reason why I pose the question like that, is because maim applied the debuff, but didn't show it with the maim icon. It was just the generic slashing resist down debuff. So hopefully that's a thing.

>>377758323
Why would I be glad the skill ceiling of my job got way lower now? Healbots still won't DPS but now I don't even get to stance dance. The only redeeming factor is how finicky getting off CS was, but they could have fixed that instead of completely removing it.

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I am done arguing with imbeciles defending the change.
What is a good xiv replacement? is BDO a good mmo?

>>377758650

it's korean

>>377758650
No its garbage.

>>377758638
Don't healer damage abilities work off their primary stat now anyway instead of the stat swap that existed in cleric stance? It's a slight DPS nerf (maybe) but you'll still be doing better than shitters who stand around doing fuck all.

STORMCASUAL

or

SIMPLEBLOOD

>>377758650
It's either WoW or XIV.
So, WoW.

>>377758578
yeah sam's debuff is tied to one of their seals so they'll use it anyway, and i'd assume ninja gets it put on gust slash and dancing edge does some other thing now

which would be nice since i don't have to play the game of "is the war going to do it or do i have to"

>>377758452
It's an MMO. You're supposed to meet new people and make new friends. Not playing with your fucking co-workers, you homo.


>>377758650
There is none. FF14 is honestly the only good MMO on the market right now. Everything else is dead, P2W, or WoW.

So no, BDO sucks. It was fun for like 2 weeks.

>>377758650
What change? What are you so upset about?

>>377758372
>Since Pacification isn't a thing anymore,
huh? I don't see that mentioned anywhere

>>377758243
>Healers HAVE to take Esuna and Lucid Dream,
Why would a SCH need Lucid Dream when they don't generate a whole lot of enmity and Aetherflow+ED provide them with all the mana they want unless they fuck up and misplan?

>>377758650
Its alright until ~56 then it's only fun if you've got friends to play it with.

>>377758650
You'll be back

>>377758406

rescue is that thing you cross class when you realize your party is full of miqote, au ra, and lalafell

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>remember years ago spamming 4.0 4.0 4.0 and making fun of ff14 with /v/ when 1.0 came out
>now i'm hype as fucking for an x-pac

Is Yoshi literally god?

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>>377758650
Wrong place to ask.

>>377758971
Memeroe detected

>>377758243
in raid content only one healer has to take protect.
also maybe only 0-1 esunas since casters can cleanse dots as well, depending on fight

>>377758732
Even hitting the boss with my book made me better than a heal shitter. I don't care if it was a nerf or buff to the job's DPS.
Not only is it a straight up casualization of the job, it is an unneeded one. It only damages those who wanted to play a difficult job to optimize. It makes no difference to heal shitters. That is what upsets me.

>>377758780
>It's an MMO. You're supposed to meet new people and make new friends. Not playing with your fucking co-workers, you homo.
Game doesn't really lend itself to meeting new people.

>>377759019
>expecting casters to give up a slot so you can save one

BLM already has to take the give 20% mana one.

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Where are my monk bro?
What do you of the change?

6
FELL
CLEAVE

>>377759084

stance dancing is a waste of everyones time, it's not difficult, just annoying

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>>377758989
Most just like to shit post about him, but he honestly has done an amazing job - as a key bit is he listens to the player. Bard is a show of this. Folks were wanting his head for the changes, but now they love him as he reverted it.

>>377758243
>be WHM
>want to look at the new role abilities for neat new things to use
>five of what used to be skills you got by leveling are on there
>three of them are unconditionally mandatory and were WHM-specific
>another is also mandatory, Esuna, but every healer is getting fucked out of their cleanse and forced to waste a cross-class slot to get it
>one is important, but it's the only one you can really get by without, and you'll have to because...
>the last slot has to be Swiftcast
T-thanks SE...

>People thinking PLD is guaranteed when we havent even seen DRK skills
>They already had magic covered and now rampart, so any more damage bonuses and they'll still be the better pick

Don't give a fuck until they make the movement and combat better. It's so fucking sluggish, its unreal.

>2.5 second GCD

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Who here 25+ and chill? Gotta get the last points outta Feast before its gone.

>>377758217
Cleric stance was trash because it was always buggy.

Heal only shitters won't even know this happened. They still won't dps. And the difference between "good" and "bad" players in this game is literally just trying and not netflixing. Even without these changes. Making it more tard friendly just makes my DF runs slightly less of a headache.

>DRK lost Reprisal and Low Blow
I told you fags it had too many skills used purely for DPS.

>>377759225
>meme 3.0 skill spam is their new big thing

WAR got shafted.

>>377759302
youre on the wrong character control scheme
swap to Legacy

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>new warrior skill reduces cost of skills by 50%
>so fell cleave will cost 25
>infuriate restores 50
>SIX FELL CLEAVES

MCH isnt losing it's turret is it?
:(

>>377759221
MNK is gonna be great for a couple patches then SAM will get Balance tier buffs since no one is playing them.

>>377759221
*think

it's not fair that ast and whm are losing their mana refresh and being forced to bring the cross class when and sch gets it's own in aetherflow

>>377759229
And their solution was completely removing it.
Like the other anon said >>377758529 we will get to the point where every job will be homogenized to do the same.

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>yfw PLD is back on their feet, the dust shaken off and they reclaim their place as a feared and respected tank with their brothers

Healsluts get ready to service your masters.

>>377759379
>every WAR loves Fell Cleave
>Yoshi lets us use it way more often
Best 4.0 change.

>>377759525
ITS NOT NEW

>>377759084
I get it, it added an extra dynamic to DPS that made you think. Except most people don't like to think. The way they look at it is they can keep WHM doing the same optimal thing (which is DPS and Heal) while making it easier for casuals to do so.

From SE's point of view, its a win win. I think this may allow SE to make content require Healer DPS (as they have said it just allowed you to make up for lower ilvl) because now "everyone" can do it with easy. Kind of the theme with the xpac changes, make everything more accessible. Just hope it can translate into a bit harder content.

>>377759525
Plus you can do the same for Decimate if you need the AoE. So much AoE damage.

>>377759495
Only when you're done prepping the monk.

>>377759568
war gets the glowing red eyes like curious gorge + triple uppercut

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fell cleave still stronk all other tanks btfo

>>377758989
I think the community sucks his dick a little too hard but I think that him and the dev team have made a better game than 1.0. Someone could argue that it still isn't good but few would say it's worse on the whole now.

>>377758312
>That fucking "Get behind me!" barrier

Dick status: Diamonds

>>377759662
Tornado kick was 500 too before HW launched, I wouldnt get too excited

>>377759605
That's for the DRG and NIN, fuckbois, sweetie. Especially if they're east coast NIN, press F to pay respects

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>>377759662
all other tanks permanently DESTROYED

>>377759581
>Just hope it can translate into a bit harder content.
I'd for that to happen, but I wouldn't count on it. Yoshi did mention in some live letter he liked the idea of trial challenge runs (such as lower ilvl sync).

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>2017
>paying a subscription fee to play an mmo

>>377759374
Dont count them out yet. Im sure they have something to pull out of their sleeve to defeat PLD.

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>>377758243
Yeah, but it's already close to that bruv. The only difference is that you don't have to level other classes to get mandatory cross class skills

>>377759784
gtfo third worlder

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I just want non-linear dungeons

>>377759662
berserk is 30% buff now
Still being tested internally, expect changes

>>377759741
Let me know when fell cleave eats all of war's gauge

>>377759662
>>377759767
>false flagging to divide the tanks

Back in your hole, cuck.

>RDM
>They have a group buff cooldown called "Embolden" which increases their own magic damage by 20% and all allies' physical damage by 10%. However every 4 seconds the effect loses 4% of the magic buff and 2% of the physical buff. Cooldown 120s.

>In Soviet Russia, Mage buffs BRD!

>>377759568
You want something new? That's what our charge, triple punch and immunity to almost all CC is for.

>>377759824
Yeah but now there are actually fun or useful abilities that you're missing out on because you don't have any slots after filling the mandatory ones.

>>377759761
>tfw ping zapper fixed my latency issues.

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>>377758312

>>377759890
>Summons swords, looks stylish as hell and buffs the A-team
RDM is looking more and more like the primo job this expansion.

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My computer got a tad loud

>Now I want to level a MNK, BRD/MCH, RDM and SAM
>Still going to do Fell Cleave first
>Going to drop NIN finally unless they get some cooler shit then frog

Think I'll do the main quest on my WAR and dailes on my whatever my new alt is. Is MNK fun to play now? Tempted to knock that out to 60 before SB.

Any ausfags notice any difference in ping on new NA servers?

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>WAR loses Storm's path Debuff
>WAR loses Inner Beast + Foresight for a 2min CD Rampart
>Tanks in general get a massive damage nerf by not getting damage from vitality but strength without being able to wear strength accessories

Are you cunts really happy about that?

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>>377760053

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>>377760087

>>377759978
My computer is always loud

>>377759978
Xiv is the only game to actually make my computer breath for air.

>>377760034
WAR still has IB, it shares a key with Fell Cleave now. We're directly upgrading Foresight to Rampart. Raidwide mitigation will be on one of the skills not shown. I get to Fell Cleave a lot more since Path basically generates 2 stacks instead of 1.

>>377760034
More focus on actual tank gear.
So, yes.

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>>377757547
So what are my caster bros switching to now that we lost 20% of our damage?

>>377760034
Losing storms path is big but it doesnt hurt that bad when you remember NO ONE has a path equivalent since DRK lost reprisal too.

>>377760034
>WAR loses Storm's path Debuff
I saw the icon and animation in the video

>>377760151
The icon didn't change at all, it was still Fell cleave in deviance.

>>377760053
I've been gone for a while but what's with all this discussion about ping being awful? Did something happen?

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>>377760254

>>377760246
You guys know that reprisal is a cross role tank skill now right? I mean its available.

>>377758312
PLD has always been aesthetic, but is it going to have any actual damage now? I mean the new mitigations are neato, but how will that add value when everybody wants damages. Or did DRK get cucked so hard PLD is better?

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>WHM got shat on again

>>377760242
Where are you getting this?

>>377760242
They probably just increased damage across the board to compensate.

>>377759495

I for one can't wait to heal daddy.

>>377760346
They got new damage buff and damage skill.

>>377760294
They moved the server to the other side of the continent and now half the jobs feel like steering a boat through garbage.

>>377760346
DRK was shown actively using a new buff and had a handful of new offensive abilities, so yeah. DRK will remain a top pick over PLD cucks unless the content demands a tank who survives rather than pumps dps.

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>>377760350
>drg dies in aoe
>OMG WHM FUCKING RESCUE STOP BEING BAD

>>377760249
Storm's path the actual skill is here but it doesn't happy the 10% damage nerf anymore, it only give x2 stacks.

>>377760321
That's reassuring at least.

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>>377760346

>>377760321
Oh wtf so they didn't merge IB/FC?

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>ping is still 230
>Mudfish did nothing
>WTFAST did nothing.

>I will never be able to play ffxiv with 100~150 ping again.

Fuck. I already refunded Stormblood.

>all these healcucks saying they'll drop the game over Cleric Stance being removed

Kek ok faggots, out of all the things that could've caused you to drop the game up until this point, the buggy as shit push to talk DPS button going wway is the thing that caused you to quit, ok sure.

>but muh skill ceiling
Fuck off, the only thing CS did was make DPSing on a healer a pain in the ass. Now novice healers can step out of their comfort zone easier, sorry it won't be as easy to dickwag about your big SCH deeps while your healbot does your actual job for you

>>377760448
>All the RDM players who are going to get blown up even more than DRG's due to melee animations locks on people who primarily play casters
Its going to be a c@tboi bloodbath come SB.

>>377760346
>350 potency off-gcd that gives a 20% damage buff for 12s
>430 potency single target spammable spell (probably not affected by FoF though)
PLD gained a lot of single target damage.

>>377760490
They did, the icon changes when he swaps stance.

>>377760440
Oh so that's why. Thanks anon.

>>377759784
I'd rather do that for quality updates and players then to be subjected to free-to-play gimmicks and completely retarded mongoloids.
It still happens in XIV, but on less of a scale compared to F2P garbage.

>SCH gets Libra which is almost certainly vuln up or damage down and a new nuke
>AST gets more cards and more stars
>WHM gets a new stone and fucking flowers
Oh I am laughing

>>377760242
You mean 20% for 20s out of every 180. So like 2% overall.

>>377760445
>>377760484
You know PLD got damage buffs too right?

So, Elezen are still the best girls in stormblood right?

>>377760738
No. The (non playable) Viera in the Return to Ivalice raid is.

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This might be a stupid question, but what do you think about the PvP changes? I mean we're talking a full ass revamp here. Nothing will stay the same.

Now that stunning is gone, how will melee DPS reach ranged DPS? Will the modes stay or will things like Shatter disappear since the skills are more PvP oriented?

inb4
>PvP

>>377760294
Like a week ago SE shut down the NA datacenter in Montreal and moved operations to California. East roasties are now reeeing because they have to get VPNs like players in the west used to to maintain ~100 pings, Europeans that didn't move to their own servers when they were launched are getting more clips than a barber shop, and the unofficially supported South American player base is getting routed through Spain for some godforsaken reason, landing them comfortably in the 400+ zone.

>>377760808
Stun isn't gone. Only tanks can stun now.

>>377760808
I dunno but I'm looking forward to it.

>>377760554
>350 potency off GCD that grants 20 percent damage up for 12 seconds

Wait what

>Picking DRK in a post Creator world over a 5% DPS increase instead of a tank that will be night invulnerable

>>377760905
>>377760484

>>377760905
See
>>377760484
Its on a cooldown, but gives great burst windows with FoF.

>>377760808
I like the changes. Makes it a lot more approachable. Everything's an even playing field so you just have to outplay the enemy instead of outgear them. PvP exclusive actions means they can be balanced separately from PvE. Less actions means you can focus more on the battle and less on inputting a complex burst opener, and also means the jobs are easier to balance against each other.

Melee DPS will probably get a gap closer on a short cooldown as one of their PvP shared actions.

>>377760842
Sounds like it's been pretty chaotic for everyone except west coast players I'd imagine.

>>377760940
But anon, you can have WAR and DRK at the same time.

>>377760986
FoF is physical damage, so unless it gets changed you'll use the new buff and blow your MP on the spell, then start your combos with FoF to build up MP again (Royal Authority combos from Riot Blade now so you'll use it more often).

>>377760967
>>377760986
Holy fuck brb maining PLD

>>377760808
Syncing all PVP to one common level is a good move. What they did with PVP actions and traits is also pretty smart. Reducing number of available PVE actions is eh, but you were already using only burst actions anyway. Combo integration button just makes me wonder why it's not also in PVE.

I want NJ Ninja to catch on

>>377759407
The skill also costs 20 points so you actually only get five.

Still, five fell cleaves.

Cleric stance change doesn't bother me.
It doesn't add complexity or depth, there's no mechanic that requires it, all it is is a stat swap, and with so little visual difference between being in and out of cleric stance (a tiny buff icon that you should be paying less attention to than everyone else hp) even the best of us has numerous "whoops. i was in clerics, sorry" moments.

>>377761087
With RA being on riot blade line isnt threat gonna be an issue unless they stick to shield oath? I mean I guess they could cross role the enmity thing but theres way more valuable choices.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13021834

4.0 mains

>>377761106
How does the system handle branching combo paths?

EXTREME DISPARITY

All right /v/ time to reach a concensus:
Which is the most uncucked job at Stormblood?

>>377759841
They won't ever make them non-linear but better map design and mechanics would be nice.

>>377761205
Lewd.

>>377760242
I think Raging Strikes is gone entirely.

No one has it, not even Bard or MCH.

Honestly? Good riddance.

This coming from a MCH main.

>>377760808
I think they've not really learned anything. Healing without some kind of diminishing return or, god forbid, actual mana management will always favour the team with more healers. Removing most of the stuns will just make the problem worse and make life hell for melee dps.

>>377761209
It promotes and punishes knowledge of an encounter.

>>377761227
Most likely it won't have them.

Although that kind of fucks MNK over. I wonder what they'll even do with MNK since they are so reliant on GL.

>Guys look at these amazing role skills
>At least 3 of them were already innate or guaranteed picks anyway

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>>377760484
>AoE ability with almost as much damage as Fell Cleave
Jesus fuck they pulled out all the stops for PLD this expansion.

>>377761198
100 IB
Heavy
Berserk+Unchained (80 IB)
Maim (90 IB)
Eye (100 IB)
FC (75 IB)
FC (50 IB)
Infuriate (100 IB)
FC (75 IB)
FC (50 IB)
FC (25 IB)
FC (0 IB)
Heavy
Berserk ends

>>377761212
It's going to be a problem for all 3 tanks now, even WAR is going to have Eye and Path as its main rotation. I guess WAR will still open every fight for a big lead.

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>>377759407
>gif
I don't remember that part in the show

>>377761407
Holy Spirit is not an AoE.

>>377761407
Holy Spirit is almost 100% going to be single target.

>>377761407
That's single target, m8. If PLD had a 430 AoE you'd be hearing on the news about my dick in every country.

>>377760484
When would you use Holy spirit? combos would add up to more damage and don't have a cast time.

>>377761209
>It doesn't add complexity or depth
It did, by making you stuck in Cleric Stance and making you wipe the party if you didn't know when and where to use it.

I thought it was an amazingly well made mechanic. Not only were you heavily punished if you switched often, you'd need to know when to use it, what to do while in cleric stance and make sure to switch when the tank was dying.

To be honest, I found cleric stance to be exhilarating and fun. Gave me a surge every time I used it, while keeping me at my toes. Too bad most healers were bad and didn't know how to use it.

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>>377761501
>>377761517
>>377761571
Dear lord I can't fucking read today. Thanks anons.

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>BLM triplecast

EXPRROOOOOSSSSSHIOOOON

>>377761596
The Royal Authority combo averages out at 233 potency per GCD, Holy Spirit is nearly double that per GCD.

>>377761596
What PLD combo does 430 fucking potency per GCD.

The intention clearly is:
>Use Requiescat while at high MP for the damage buff
>Spam Holy Spirit until you no longer have the MP to do so
>Regen your MP with Riot Blade combos while Requiescat is on cooldown.

>>377760696
>Libra is vuln up.
>Doesn't stack with trick attack.
>They now give a buff like virus so you can't spam it.

NIN is rapidly approaching PLD levels of cuckoldry.

>>377761641
We still dont know about any other moves. Total Eclipse sounds like a one of skill, but he said AoE combo. I wonder if they get anything else.

>>377761238
SMN or MNK
SMN gets an actual summon, even if only for a short time
MNK gets to ride the chakra train on the back of his physical party members

>>377758217
you get cleric stance dps without cleric stance now, so the gap is still there, just without a buggy stance toggle.

>>377761238
WAR and possibly PLD.

>>377759784
i would never play an MMO that's free to play

the monthly cost keeps the bare minimum shitters out

>>377761887
WAR wasnt cucked in 3.0. Probably Paladin, but honorable mention to MNK.

>>377761238
Looks like MNK. Possibly PLD depending on what their numbers end up being.

>>377761423
Haven't received any info about the 3 new DRK attacks, one of them might generate more threat.
PLD has one more undescribed attack.

The tank role action that looks like Shadewalker might be all that's needed in a simple fight. (No swaps)

>>377761381
mnks have 3 flank skills and 3 back skills in their basic rotation so it shouldn't be a problem to group like with like and call it a combo

>tfw WHM trolling shits will pull BLMs out of their leylines

that skill has way too much grief potential

>All /v/ and /xivg/ care about is MUH DAMAGE
>Gotta get dem parses
>Base my entire comp around maximizing damage on trivial content even after its months outdated and on echo
>Alienate my friends and FC members because they don't play the exact jobs I need them to in order to pad my parse
>MY PARSE

>>377761962
>Tanks get shadewalker
Just fucking remove that shit, no point for a tank to use an ability to get more enmity when they could just make openers pull more enmity.

>>377761238
Bard and Machinist.

>>377761238
MCH

>>377761238
Bard absolutely
>They're actually making songs a mechanic
>No more faggy bow mage bullshit

>"Kongou no Gokui" - New ability, lasts 30s. If MNK takes damage while the effect is active, it activates Fists of Earth, refreshes Greased Lightning, and reduces damage taken by an additional 10% for 30s.
Why?

>>377761962
>>377762070
Don't forget that you only get 5 out of the 10 skills accessible to you through the cross-role list. Chances are there are a lot more powerful options that you'd rather want to have instead of Tank!Shadewalker.

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>>377761260
This
180s for a tiny damage buff is incredibly unreasonable

>>377762243
So that you don't drop GL when the boss does their ultimate.

>>377760378
People translated the tool tips from the liveshow

Alright, let's get this shirt started
After the job actions reveal, did any of your class expectations change, what will you be leveling once SB comes and in what order, personally as a tank main:

1. Paladin (that "get behind me" cover skill)
2. Warrior
3. Dark knight
4. Dragoon (red botd and that ui)
5. Bard (is song rotations a thing now?)

Maybe il level RDM after all the fuss is done, im a sucker for hybrid melee/casting classes

What about you /v/

Cleric Stance was always a piece of shit and the fact we can dps without having to use it is the best healer change.

However 5% damage increase for 15 seconds on 90cd is useless and will only be taken for specific counters because the other healer role spells are more useful.

>>377762332
Paladin, AST or SCH, DoL trio.

>>377762332
DRK, PLD, WAR, then NIN and SMN. SAM and RDM in palace or some shit.

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>>377762332
My intention to stick with SCH didn't change but that tether mechanic certainly got me worried because Yoshi has been out for my Lilybell for quite a while and I'd rather give up DPS potential but give more fairy interactions than... this.

>>377762364
SCHs will probably be the only healer with room for it since the other 2 need the mp regen.

>>377762364
I think its fucking dumb that a lot of spells healers had by default or are literally mandatory for their role are now optional. This is gonna cause a lot of messes.

>>377762332
They changed waaaay more than I expected them to. I was expecting 1-2 new actions and for everything else to remain basically the same, but pretty much every job got significant new rotation mechanics or changes.

>>377762332
It was SAM but RDM showed some promise, I'll have to see what the full list of abilities are.

Everything else just is going to be more of the same with an extra button to hit during upkeeps.

>>377762440
>AST needing more MP regen

m8 come on its 2017

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>Using Sheltron to mitigate magical tank buster
>On a 30 sec CD

>>377761260
macroed <<<raging strikes<<<quelling strikes BLM just saying

>>377762514
They're losing Luminiferous Aether.

>>377762332
>After the job actions reveal, did any of your class expectations change, what will you be leveling once SB comes and in what order, personally as a tank main:
I was mainly worried they'd fuck up everything I love, so as is
>DRG main
>Will level and continue to main DRG first
>WAR second
>Maybe MNK
and for my alt
>Nin main, will continue to main and level for FROG
>AST looks cool
>PLD looks great
I will over the course of the expac level everything on my alt, but from what we saw today my game plan hasn't changed at all and honestly I'm hopeful.

>>377762514
It doesn't have LA anymore, you have to get the role action. An ewer when you need it is complete rng.

>>377762440
>SCHs will probably be the only healer with room for it since the other 2 need the mp regen.
Just throw that stupid life grip shit out
If people stand in AOE or fall off in Sophia it's their damn fault

>>377762289
Only thing that might be Raging Strikes is Tactician from Ranged Role.

Even then, I doubt it. Good riddance.

But hell, openers are going to be wicked strange.

Can someone sum up the Bard changes?

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>that one faggot who buys cheap booster packs in the TT lounge while people are playing
>opens like 50 of them
>usually wearing a meme outfit

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>>377760346
>>377758312
>YoshiP: get behind me princess [activate shield]
I will blush every time tank senpai do this.

>>377762746
Its shit

>>377762332
Stormblood will be my first time playing the actual game and not the trial, I wanted to wait and see the revamps before I started playing and I'm glad I did. I'll level PLD first since tanks are always in demand and fast queues. Then I'll level RDM since I have a hard on for magic-using melee attackers.

>>377762545
Sheltron's been changed bruh. It took a chunk of paladin gauge in the video.

>>377762654
>Won't have to spam one birrion buttons at the start of every pull
Good, I'd rather more active sustained play than boring middle states and a cycle of JOHN FUCKING MADDEN every 90seconds.

>>377762579
>>377762614
Did they ever directly say or imply that MP regen skills were being removed into cross role? How do we know its not a bonus one?

>>377762746
RIP in piece castbars.

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Any east coast faggots here? I WANNA KICK YOUR ASSES

>tfw too intelligent to 'main' one tank or healer and will just play whatever is best for the situation

Did DRK even use a 4th or 5th skill in that trailer?

>>377762797
It's the same icon as WHMs and they're essentially the same ability.

>>377762797
We don't but Lucid Dream is basically Shroud of Saints so it'd be weird if you had both that and LA/Shroud

>4 jobs get goad
>still no one uses it

>>377762746
You are no longer a bow mage and you'll be juggling songs as part of some mechanic we dont' know yet

>>377762746
More about songs. They seem to be instant cast short term buffs rather than things you manage. You also can move again and wanderers minuet is some other kinda unknown buff song.

>>377762746
Castbars are gone. Songs have new effects.

>>377762332
>SMN main from 2.0
>Got bored of it recently
>A bit jaded and salty when they shows that NIN frog summon while SMN still stuck with the damn egis
>Planning to switch main to RDM and spam PoTD till 60 for Stormblood MSQ
>Last night's Bahamut happened
Fucking jewish nip Yoshi now I'm way too fucking torn about switching main class now.

>>377762869
>>377762870
So basically 4+ of these cross role skills are absolutely mandatory shit we already had before and nobody will ever use the new ones?

>>377762468
If we assume that Lucid Dream is replacing Shroud of Saints and Luminiferous Aether then it's mandatory for WHM and AST. SCH can get by without it unless Aetherflow has also been changed to not restore MP.

Swiftcast is extremely useful but you can do without it if you're confident in your group since it's just an emergency button, and all 3 healers have an instant heal now.

Protect will be something that you cast at the start of the dungeon and then you can potentially swap it out. At worst, only one healer needs Protect in 8-man content.

If Affection really is Divine Seal with a different name then yes, it's mandatory.

Cleric Stance is too small a buff to make significant difference and will mostly be just for optimization purposes.

Esuna is only necessary if you know there's going to be debuffs that need to be cleansed. Otherwise you can swap it out. I haven't done savage but I don't really know of any content where you'll automatically fail if you don't cleanse the debuffs.

So there is some wiggle room, but not much. Most healers are probably going to want to take Affection, Lucid Dream, Swiftcast, Esuna and Protect.

>>377762332
1. Warrior
2. Summoner (possibly level as SCH)
3. Red Mage
4. Paladin
5. Samurai maybe or ninja or bard i can't decide

>>377762954
Yes. Please look forward to it.

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>2.5s GCD

>>377762956
AST can sorta get away without Swiftcast by using Lightspeed as a ghetto replacement.
Depends on the situation though. We don't even know if Lightspeed works the same.

>>377763054
swiftcast is necessary for fast revives. But yeah, we don't know how lightspeed will turn out.

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>>377763019
>1.5s GCD

>>377760808
I like it, being a BLM in pvp fucking sucks if you dont have someone to like, peel or act as a distraction

>>377762332
nin is disappointing me so far since the triple jutsu thing looks kinda awkward and frog is cool but not cool enough given that it's attached to the ninki meter. that combined with muh ping is kinda moving me away from the class

i was going to level sam anyway but it looks promising so far, 740 potency attacks are hard to say no to. blm got a bunch of new cool shit, and drg might be the most visually impressive melee now

If piety only affects healers how do casters get more mp?

>5% damage every 90 seconds
>ability to pull people into instantkill mechanics

how ever will i choose

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Really struggling to settle on a class to do main Stormblood content with.

>WAR is easy choice because lol waiting for queues
>AST is what I ran through HW with. Looked super dumb when I tried to look intimidating by pulling out a globe with an angry face
>SMN, MNK or MCH but am hesitant due to fuck long queues made even longer by everyone playing SAM and RDM

What do you guys think? What are you going to run with when June rolls around? At least to start.

>>377762956
>and all 3 healers have an instant heal now.
Swiftcast is literally only used for raises. The ability might as well read "Makes your next Raise/Resurrection/Ascend have no cast time." I don't think I have ever seen a single healer use it on anything other than res aside from shitty SCHs who blow it on Shadow Flare.

>melee DPS no longer seem to have DoTs
>ranged DPS no longer have castbars or a thousand buffs to manage
>core caster DPS mechanics are changed to be less punishing
Really activates the neurons

>>377763258
Think for yourself, faggot.

>>377763273
SS2.

If they're keeping Surecast as a shared skill can they do something to make it not complete trash? Make it allow casting while moving for 10 seconds on a 90s cooldown. Bam.

>>377763273
I used to Swift Medica II in T9 during meteors.
Back when you had to actually heal and stuff

>>377763232
Piety materia.

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>player being a shitter
>nobody notices
>pull him into boss attacks killing him
>he gets kicked

>>377762332
Dpending on which class has a higher "fun" factor for me, i'll probably go either Black Mage or Red Mage

>>377763258
Just pick whichever you really want to play the most and make buttbuddy friends with a Tankbro for sick queues.

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>>377763273
>shitty SCHs who blow it on Shadow Flare
good lord, youre baiting, right?
you know thats a dps gain, right?
youre not retarded, right?

>>377763258
Play a dps and marry me then play with me for instant queues

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>>377762332
I'm playing MCH and will still be playing MCH

So annoyed they didn't cover DRK skills properly. I don't want to get pushed out by the Paladin. They are getting an amazing toolkit while I get a power slash and a throwable mitigation ability?

>>377762056
Yeah, that's one of the main reasons this game gets dull so fast. It's just dps. No CC, no Non-Linearity.

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>all those amazing job changes
>won't be able to enjoy anything due to my new shitty ping
Thanks Yoshi.

>>377762428
This
As a SCH main too I'm just worried.
Feels like Eos may lose stuff like embrace/Whipsering's dawn for that tether thing

If I'm not wrong I'm going AST.

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>>377764032
They will do something, surely.

>>377763926
The new moves look cool as hell in my opinion. I don't even care if the play style changes this point.

>>377763258
AST > ALL

>>377762428
>>377764045
Also a SCH main, and I highly doubt Embrace is going away
Im pretty sure she cast embrace in the video?

>>377757547
Is it too late for me to jump in this game and be able to fit in anywhere.
I just need a new online game to spend all my time in with a comfy guild.

>>377762332
>SMN
>BLM
>RDM
Summon Bahamut single handedly saved SMN for me. I'm so fucking hyped. AoE Thunder IV is something that I've been talking about since HW so BLM looks cool too.

And RDM because since I'll main casters there's no reason to not at least try RDM.

>>377764081
stop posting this meme game

>>377764045
W-what if the new meta is WHM and nocturnal AST?

>>377763926
MCH is fun, though I'm not sold on removing Gauss as a stance. We barely had cast time whatsoever due to proccs and the only casting we did was pretty much split shots, lead shots and that one time when you fuck up and get yourself stuck in Gauss mode without refreshing Hot Shot. Many of which is mitigated through the use of rapid fire in the opener and turning off gauss to refresh Hot Shot and fish for slugs.

Flamethrower looks cool though.

>>377764158
New expansion is next month so everything will reset. Try out the free trial and see if you like it.

>mrhappy gettin pissed about how shit the average player of this game is
It is true that jump potions can't make that any worse

>>377764257
Would be great for SCH to taste some despair for once.

>>377764297
Post it. Did he cover it during the stream?

>>377764297
I'm sure it'll get much worse since people will give 0 value to all content in this game

>>377762115
>>377762136
MCH as is is already perfect and #1 in every aspect of the game. If anything its going to get cucked thanks to bard dragging it down. The reverse of what happened when bard got wm because of mch's gauss barrel - now casting is going away thanks to bard and they're dragging mch along for the ride.

You realize them removing cast times means ranged dps is going to be nerfed right? Can't have the most mobile job and a support on top of that doing the most dps as well - people will complain until its nerfed. Of course its already the case, but because currently you need to stance dance to really reap the mobility benefit, people kinda look the other away even though mch and brd are top dps.

Ranged dps dominance is over and we have all the bard shitters crying about WM to thank.

>>377764383
As long as the primals and raids are still locked behind things, the tears they'll make will be hilarious

>>377764257
>WHM
>Meta
They said that WHM will be further "pure heal" which no one except terribad players wants. I bet all the flowers on their UI do is heal more or something that isn't useful at all.

They should just retire WHM and call it a day.

>>377764297
>mrhappy being mad about anyone being shit while he himself is garbage
ayyyyy

>>377763273
>other than res aside from shitty SCHs who blow it on Shadow Flare.
Eat shit you cunt.

>>377764373
It's toward the end of his coverage of the liveletter when he talks about the jump potions

>>377764184
I fucking wish, but sadly this is just the dream of some skilled artist.

>>377764454
They said they reduce the recast timers of spells and are spent for some new ones.

>>377764463
What's with the Happy shitting? How is he bad at the game? He's completed all the PvE content has he not? Almost world first shit as well?

>>377759172
You're retarded, got it say no more.

>>377764606
>Almost world first shit as well?
not even close

>>377758780
>Everything else is dead, P2W
>he says while FFXIV just announced leveling potions

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>>377762332
My hype for the expansion is almost 0 after seeing the so called changes.
It looked like a basic UI upgrade and a few new skills that don't look that fun.
Honestly every class looks the same besides bard can now move again.
The additions to ninja make me not want to play it at all because of the gay layline circle and dumb frog.
When it comes to samurai the class it looks boring as fuck when i thought it would look a lot cooler and was hoping for some cool skillchain action like FFXI but the effects look like garbage.
Redmage looks like the ninja of FFXIV when it came out it looked unique so it may be fun going ranged/melee.

>>377764702
>leveling
>P2W
pick one

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>macro rescue > /hug
>use on cute strangers in 24s
im going to serve my team so well :3

>>377764743
I can't even imagine what you were expecting if these changes seem like nothing to you.

>>377764702
>leveling up is competitive
??

>>377764743
what did you want?

>>377764606
LMAO
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/character_name/mister%20happy/gilgamesh/na#partition=1

>>377764264

I thought gauss was kinda backwards, the small hits had cast times and the big hits were instant cast. If I'm going to channel I want it to be on the big dick damage attacks to make the channel feel worthwhile.

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>>377763145
ffxiv's is 2.5s though. it also has syrupy accelerated movement that lowers the skill ceiling into the floor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6_nFIlLdFo
>Literally new WAR in action

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>tfw being a monk main
I never felt this level of smug right now

>inb4 BLM triple cast can only be used in Ley Lines
It'll be so hype if I'm wrong. And it's also very cool that you can AM to your Ley Lines now

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>>377764869
>play with people much more skilled than he is

>>377765024
Yoshi already displayed that you can use it outside Leylines.

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>>377765024
>Teleport to lay line
>WHM drags you out

>>377765024
>blm swooces right back into leylines after the whm pulls him out in the job skill video

i am going to stand in this fire and neither man nor god can stop me

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>>377762332
I've been sticking with PLD since 2.0 cause I'm a holyknightfag despite people usually shitting on the class but any new changes gets me hyped naturally. My leveling order would probably go like this. PLD, SAM, WAR, MNK, DRG, DRK, RDM

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>>377764927
>/pol/ish emigrant is unable to get even the simplest of jokes
really builds my chakras

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>Get knocked off in Sophia EX
>Pull tank towards me

>>377765129
>Buh whm, the fire will add to fire deeps as health drops

>>377764842
>>377764769
>clears all content for you
>not P2W

>>377764184
>that femroe

WHY CANT THEY HAVE CURVES LIKE THAT IN GAME?!?

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What did she mean by that?

>>377765386
>clearing baby faceroll content
>p2w

>>377765386
>faceroll content is competitive
??

>>377761649
>Triplecast
>Sharpcast
>F1
>Buffs
>F4F4F4F3
That shit shouldn't be allowed, holy shit

>>377765415
LOOK AT ME I HAVE A VAGINA

>>377765415
lol why are boys so cringe
>wah blood icky yukky!!

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>>377765497
>Foul is 650 potency

>>377764005
Don't worry, you're going to push WAR out.

>Storm's Path no longer has a debuff, Delirium might still do INT Down
>Slashing debuff no longer a DPS loss for NIN, probably not a loss for SAM either, very possibly can be applied by DRK and/or PLD themselves
>DRK basically gets Fell Cleave and Decimate, damage boosts that don't depend on main-tanking
>OT skills that can shield the MT

>>377765415
>censoring the names
>on 4chan
this isnt reddit faggot

>>377765392

Because there are no femroes in game!

So we save enkindle rouse and spur for baby bahamut now?

>>377762746
From what i've seen
>Bard casting is gone
>Each song only lasts 30s
>each song has a different effect and oGCD's need different songs
>Windbite and Venom shot have new animations
but this could be wrong

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>>377765435
>>377765469
>optional content matters more than the main content
>MMORPGs will forever be shit due to people like you

>>377765604
>optional content matters more than the main content
yes it does
what point are you trying to make?

>WAR get a punch attack
>It does more damage than Forbidden chakra

>>377765569
hey, fuck you

>>377765604
thats the way its designed, my dude
I cant get i270 gear from fuckin sastasha

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I can only imagine how bananas 24-man raids are going to look if there's 2+ summoners in each party and they're all summoning Bahamut at the same time.

>>377764852
>>377764825
I think the games just got stale for me and adding a few new skills that dont really change much isnt going to motivated me to play. From what i saw the new skills for most classes looked boring so asking me what i want would just be something that looks fun to use? Summoner was the only class that looked like it stood out from what they showed. Doing fell cleave or flare 5 times just seems lazy to me but i can see why people would like it.

>>377765415

>i have a vagina look I'm a grill give me upboats for existing

I hate cunts like that. If I say "good job guys" there's almost always a bitch piping up with "and LADIES" with a stupid emote. Bitch, where I'm from, a group of people is "you guys", even little old ladies. You're not special because you have sacs of fat on your chest and monthly cramps with bleeding. FFXIV has a lot of them, too. It's why I hardly say anything in chat any more outside of the auto-translate options.

At least samurai looks the worst out of all the jobs

>>377765546
>Midare Setsugekka is 720 potency

>>377765657
MNK is going to be throwing out more forbidden chakras than WAR can fell cleave though.

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I'm gonna fanta from a lala to a miqo'te since piety meme isn't a thing anymore, what's the best female cat hair?

>>377765779
you seem cool and normal

>>377765771
I can understand that I suppose

>>377765848
The default one.

>>377765848
sice hair

>>377765546
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that.
Imagine that in a normal dungeon, where you can get 1 (or maybe more) Foul stacks before the boss.

>Triple
>Sharp
>F1
>Buffs
>F4F4FoulF3 (switch out F4's for Foul depending on how many stacks how have)

And by now you're probably dead

>>377765779
gril here i agree
i dont mention it unless it comes up (like now) and i dont really give a shit if no one believes me because it literally LITERALLY doesn't matter one bit
dunno why people make such a big deal over it

>>377765842
MNKs in Stormblood are going beyond just being martial artists and becoming fucking super saiyans. Literally get a goddamn spirit bomb attack.

>>377765779
It's just girls online looking for cheap attention.

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>>377761213

>tfw last place

BUT MUH FROG

>>377765865
triggered hole spotted

>>377765840
I'm guessing the reason that SAM's skills have such ridiculously huge potency is because they lack self-damage buffs.

>>377761238

summoner and possible monk

>>377761213
i dont know

I CAN'T DECIDE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>377765568
They can shield themselves and DRK still does the most DPS by being hit. You can have fun healing me on the side and giving me cover, bitch boi PLD.