FFXIV

>>377738780
inb4 NIN salts

So I'm kind of new to levelling using Palace of the Dead. I want to get my MCH from 58 to 60. What would be the fastest way? What floor should I start from?

BRD is back bby

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>>377739002
DELETE

>>377739075
>regular dungeon for bonus if you havent run.

>>377738780
I just dual guns.
Get on it hackshida.

>>377739075
51-60 repeatedly

>>377738780
>gauss barrel removal
I wonder

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14ScQ9gCqZlghtQJgdbSuwJdXIaFBYjOOj5teGmKCDeY/preview

>>377739075
Spam floor 51-60. You can also do daily leveling and/or trial roulettes (with HW beast tribes while in queue) before PotD spam if you want.

>>377738780
Which of the Job Gauges look the best?

>>377738780
PLD looks cool now, time to grind my credit card on Mogstation to get to 60 and enjoy the changes of release.

>>377739593
WHM

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I can't wait to pull stupid people into AoEs and off ledges as a healer.
I mourn the loss of Cleric Stance as a divider between the trash and good healers.
Why is Esuna an optional role skill? Who thought this was a good idea?
>No stoneskin for anyone but WHM now

A little happy, a little sad. At least I don't have to tell stupid healers to turn on Cleric Stance, and at least no one has the excuse for not DPSing as healer.

Redpill me on what they did to WAR.

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Can't wait to yell at healers for not doing their job and pulling me out of aoes while I sit in my comfy leylines

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Worse
>>377739002
Die

>>377739872
Cool looking skills, but their damage has been gutted.

>>377739872
5 Fell Cleaves

>casting removed from BRD/MCH because of casuals couldn't git gud

>>377739872
SIX
FELL
CLEAVES

>>377739872
Fell cleave is now only 250 potency

>>377739969
>>377739965
>He can't do 7

>>377739872
Red eyes, MUH INNER BEAST - The Gauge, and fell cleaves spam.

>>377739969
>>377739965
>Worse than 1 current fell cleave

>>377740062
14 Fucking Fell Cleaves

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>>377739967
>not wanting to prance around the battlefield backpedalling and singing songs

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>Everyone in Feb: Haha monk cucked out of their own expansion, this is ninja and samurai time
>mfw today
I'm sorry, who's expansion is this? To the chakra mines with you, weeb trash.

>>377739967
Only a real fucking powerful shot should have cast time

>>377740062
>stacking SkS
Who's the scrub here?

>>377738780
Is WHM shit?

> -- OFFICIAL JOB GAUGE TIER LIST --
> Great Tier
MNK, RDM

> Good Tier
SCH, SMN, DRK, DRG, BRD

> Average Tier
PLD, WAR, MCH

> Poor Tier
AST, SAM, WHM

> Shit
NIN, BLM

>>377740530
WHM is in the shed, yes

DRK

i dont even know

What shield compliments Sky Pirate top and Tyrfing?

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>no more cleric stance in its current form

YES FUCKING YES

>>377740530
Burstier yes, other than they havent say anything about new skills. The Lilies can be used to fast cast or shield.

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>>377740573
>RDM gauge above anything

>>377739002
what happened to nin? not that i care because its been OP as shit

>>377740709
RDM (And MNK) get the information that needs to be communicated across with as little fanfare as possible. It's literally as good as interfaces get.

>>377740573
>SCH
>good
you spelt AST wrong.

>>377740753
only cool looking thing they got was a frog, the rest is their typical tickle attacks

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>>377740651

This.

Now I can stop hearing idiots complain that the WHM isn't DPSing. Uh no shit, that's not my job. Thank you based Yoshi.

>>377740753
the same thing as DRG gauge, just with auto attack.

East coasts are still moaning thou.

>MCH only has 3 ammo now

>>377740797
If that's your criteria you should have called it an autism tier list

>>377740753
Some of their gimmicks aren't exclusive anymore (goad is cross role, for example).

Is this still live? Does anyone have a link to where it's being streamed if so?

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>>377740302
>MNK calling anyone a weeb

>>377740530
Cleric is now Raging Strikes for healers(Raging and Quelling are being delet).
MND powers attack spells.
Another healer cross-class is a reverse Aetherial Manipulation where you pull shitters out of their favorite AoEs.
WHM's special gauge lets it build up lily flower tokens that decrease your casting time the more you have, or you can spend them on things like a WHM-specific barrier heal.
Stone IV added, but the tiers are now traits or such so that you only have one Stone button to press and will get the highest-level result applicable.
Looked like there was an Aero IV as well, though in that case it's joint buttons for AeroI-II, and then another for III-IV.

>>377740963
And it's used for special skills only.

>>377740963
>autistic 5 ammo openers abolished

good thing i never learned them and just stuck with my 2 ammo one kek

>tfw no more foe's

>>377740889
No, your damaging spell take from your MND now.
Which means you absolutely no reason to NOT DPS as a healer.

>>377740934
>try to double weave bfb+battle litany
>clips like a whole second into my GCDs

rip guess i'm a tank player now

>show all the new gauges
>don't explain how half that shit even works

REEEEEEEEEEE

>>377740889

>>377740573
>DRG not on god tier
>SAM not on average tier
>SCH that high
>WHM that low
shit list/10

>>377741247
It's self explanatory.

lol whm keeps getting cucked. hey let's give Divine seal to everybody now. 3/4 of the healer role actions were once whm unique abilities. B-But whm has the best heals. no they don't especially with divine seal cross class now

>>377738780
>BLM
Much worse.

>>377741152
where was it said that bard no longer has it?

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Fell Cleave is still 500 potency. The damage looks low because of the STR change, weaker secondaries, and only i290 gear. PLD and DRK are both going to do even lower damage.

Why are SAM animations ass?

>>377741443
it looked weak because Yoshi never used Berserk.

>>377741440
When it showed the job gauges, BRD only had it for Paeon, Ballad and Minuet.

>>377741443
they also said the tooltips werent final so it might still be 500 because its always been 500. if they said 250 potency then it will most likely be changed by launch

>>377739624

Or you can bot it to 60 and save some dosh

>>377741363

What does the faerie bar do?

>>377741341
>lizard whore

Shocker

>>377741398
>worse
The rotation is exactly the same, except now we get triple Swiftcast, AoE Thunder, mana restore for our allies during Ice downtime, teleport back to Ley Lines after a dodge, and the ability to cash out for another big AoE for free. How exactly is it worse? Admittedly
it does look visually underwhelming compared to RDM.

>>377741606
still doesnt mean anything. maybe minuet is the new foe requiem with the option to make it physical vuln since mch had both based on rook or bishop hypercharge.

>>377740997
Nope, you've just missed it ending.
Here's the reel of new spells and abilities being shown off for every job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFDb3z0aQPI

The full live stream doesn't appear to be uploaded yet(it's like 4 hours), and SE has made their copy of it private.

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>want to resub
>tfw live in florida

doushio

>>377741768
Okay, thank you Anon.

>WAR buffed, in spite of being the most overpowered job
>PLD is now just Dark Knight but easy

>>377741606
Yoshi specifically mentioned that they won't have all the jobs' skills showcased in the video.

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>>377741786
>live in montreal

>>377741659
Life force left of fairy to use abilities, otherwise it desummons.

>>377741831
>WAR buffed

>almost every single thing shown was good aside from the last few things

Jesus, should they really have saved everything for this moment?

>>377741786
Try a VPN. I'm in Florida and was able to get my ping from 120ms to about 85ms with one.

>>377741617
It's 500, autoattacks in the video do 1000 damage while current autoattacks do about 900. FC in the video is 3.9k, FC in the game is 3.5k.

>>377741831
DRK was always almost identical to PLD in difficulty.

>>377738780
Fucking great! PLD finally has a TP-based reusable AOE, and that conal shield is going to have some nice raid utility.

I don't even care if the AOE is good, I'm just glad I can finally kill more than one trash mob at a time.

>>377741882
Getting two or three more Fell Cleaves in Berserk is a pretty big buff.
>>377742119
No, it wasn't.

>>377740573
>DRK not in shit

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>2.5s GCD

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>>377741786
FL, GA, and SC haven't seen any change with the move from what I know.They were too far north to have the northeast libshit's ping, now they're too far west to see any negative change though I can imagine NW FL and W GA having some slight improvement. It was nothing but a switch from the (y) axis to the (x) axis for the coastal southeast US.

>>377741341
Okay, you've posted that same image like 6 times now. We get that that person is an idiot.

>>377741341
How did the replies towards her turn out?

>those mch abilities
what the fuck is that

>>377742282
>5 years later WoWbabs still use the same bait

>>377742392
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/325396-Cleric-Stance-is-dead%21/page7

>>377742518
It's a total revamp on how the job play so we have no fucking idea.

>>377739821
You're really naive.

>Yoshida took out Cleric Stance because healers aren't supposed to DPS
>Yoshida-sama SPECIFICALLY SAID if you don't want to equip the new Cleric Stance because it's not your style you don't have to

>>377742003
ilvl bis 270 war
FC no Eye Debuff=3700
FC Eye On=4600

Yoshi p lvl70 fell cleave dmg is trash at 290.
tank dmg nerfed again

>>377741443
So in a nutshell
>VIT only will result in lower damage
>but tanks have more sick damage abilities now

>>377742351
North Florida and Alabama are fine. South Florida and Southeast Georgia (Savannah) got fucked though.

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>>377738780
>all these WM newfags undergoing rectum ragnarok now that their meme bullshit is gone

Like if you wanna play a caster then play a caster you faggot

>>377741865
How does it feel to have your world ripped right from under your feet?

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>>377743164

NA niggers please stay off our servers

>>377743050
>I have ADHD and need to run and jump around the battlefield when I play BRD even though I have no AoE to avoid.

>BRD/MCH no longer has casting
>SMN literally summons bahamut and not some shitty small egi
>PLD can block magic and has party wide shield

No other classes got as much love. God I can't fucking wait to play PLD and BRD again. I might even take up SMN as well.

>>377743050
All the asspain over WM is proof that BRD is the designated shitter job, only people astronomically bad at the game could be elated about the one thing that made their job require a brain to play being removed.

>>377743506
Yeah, how dare we celebrate cast times being removed from a job whose entire selling point was being ranged without having cast times.

>>377743506
I swear, WM white knights always resort to this non-argument.

>>377743679
WM was a net positive for the job, but it is understandable that it would get axed in the casualization expansion.

>>377743760
>>377743680
Tell me though, why do you need to move around when you're not avoiding AoE, you don't even have positionals.

>>377743679
Who the fuck plays an Archer to sit there and cast? It doesn't matter if it made the job do more damage. It didn't fucking fit. No clue how retards like you thought that was okay. The ability itself isn't gone, it just doesn't force you to cast anymore.

>>377743664
6
FELL
CLEAVE

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Monk had basically all of its problems fixed.

>>377743664
>Monks feed other monks Chakras
>Not as much love

What are you fucking gay?

>>377743506
It really doesn't matter now, because you lost this argument in the eyes of the only people to whom it matters.

>>377743836
Because then they could potentially design mechanics around people being able to constantly move like they did with T7. Slapping a cast bar on everything ranged potentially creates limitations.

>>377743880
>VIT is no longer damage stat
>tanks locked out of dps accessories

like it matters

>>377743957
Casters managed fine with T7, so why the need for BRD/MCH to move when Casters could manage?

>>377743890
Not only fixed but made infinitely better
>Already best solo dps
>now will get more dps from team
>and increase team's dps
NIN btfo forever

>no more stoneskin
>no more accuracy
>divine seal cross class
>show rescue in WHM video
>its cross class anyway
>cleric stance changed

its a bit of a mixed bag, but more good than bad

>>377743439
You've got it the other way around. Eurocucks, quit bitching about ping and get off our servers.

>>377743957
Slapping a cast bar on everything ranged stops BRD from being required because it can move, do dps and do mechanics at the same time.

ERP... ERP never changes

>>377743975
materia and nanomachines, son

>>377743836
I don't. But when AoEs DO come it's awfully fucking nice being able to move without my dps plummeting to 0.

Not to mention that casting in general feels bad, I like having instant response on my actions and no cast times also allow for easier weaving of actions. It's not just about having to stand still, casting is just not enjoyable in general.

>tfw mnk still plays the same as it did in 2.0

Feels good.

>>377744095
Then make the bloody casters do more damage.

>>377742282
hey i remember this RE stream

>>377743864
Yes, I'm sure having SMN and BLM be literally worthless jobs since BRD and MCH are strictly better in every single way is a great alternative just because you whiny faggots can't handle a modicum of difficulty.

I can't even imagine how awful it must be to be a WHM main right now, it doesn't appear they did fucking anything to address the job's main issues, meanwhile almost everyone else got an interesting new toybox to play around in.

>>377738780
>MNK BRD PLD
I'm happy

>>377744201
when you think of it, all jobs are casting, just some cast at the start, while others cast at the end. Melee cast from the end so they hit first then wait on an invisible cast time.

Really makes you think...

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>eu gets a new server
>east coast get shit

>>377743506
>>377743836
>>377743679
As >>377743864 points out, why the actual fuck would an ARCHER need to cast? That doesn't make sense. If you want to have the music have a cast time or a channel or some shit, sure that's fine, but having a fucking bow have a cast time is retarded. My issue isn't the cast times in general, my issue is putting a cast time on a class that doesn't make sense to have one. If you want to fucking cast, play a caster, why is this so hard to understand?

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>>377741786
>tfw EU playing on American servers
Fucking flipping a coin over here. Been months since I played, I hope my connection doesn't shit the bed.

Okay but is PLD still asleep at the wheel tier or do they have gameplay now

>>377744068
>best solo dps

>>377744338
could it be that playing on east coast is fine?

>>377744225
>Ranged caster DPS
Immense amount of damage in a short time in battle

>Ranged mobile DPS
>Sustained Damage from a range over the course of battle

As it should be.

>>377744445
>could it be that playing on east coast is fine?
That just might be it!

>>377744225
Even when BRD could move before WM was even a thing and MCH wasn't even released BLM and SMN were taken into raids every time. There was never a time where people realistically thought "Let's take 2 BRDs instead of a caster" and if you knew people that did boy were you playing with some shitters. If you were a caster that got overlooked for a double BRD comp then you were probably the shitter. Plain and simple.

>>377744445
But it's fucking not
Euros and west homos have been complaining about 100ms for years.

>>377744378
>knocking an arrow in real life

Seems like casting to me.

>>377744403
Why are you on NA?

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>>377741786
I also live in Florida and barely feel a difference.

>>377744225
That's shit design then. SMN and BLM should do more damage than BRD and MCH if the latter two don't have to cast, especially since they try and push bard as a pseudo support role. The only time an archer should be doing more damage than a mage is if the archer has an ammunition system that costs money. Otherwise they should be doing less damage but in exchange have mobility. This is basic mmo design.

>>377744585
>Even when BRD could move before WM was even a thing and MCH wasn't even released BLM and SMN were taken into raids every time
Yes, one was taken alongside a BRD, because two BRDs would give you a LB penalty.

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>play healer
>pull BLM out of ley lines, interrupting their cast, messing up their rotation, right into an AoE
This is probably why they got rid of cast times on bard/MCH

>>377744540
So MCH will do less sustained damage but with burst now then?.

>>377744590
knocking an arrow doesn't take 1.5s and require me to stand still

>>377739872
cant tell if nerfed or not
im scared

>>377744590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI

Here's some Russian teenager. The WoL is a super-powered magical demigod.

>>377744601
nobody wants to play with eurotrash, not even eurotrash.

>>377744709
>play healer
>notice mnk about to lose stacks
>pull them towards me so they can't hit anything

or

>play healer
>pull hate
>tank runs towards me to get monster
>fluid aura
>tank runs back to enemy
>pull tank to me.

>>377744405
Heavensward made them slightly more interesting, so that it wasn't literally just "1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3..." though it's still pretty basic.

I don't think these Stormblood abilities are going to drastically change how Paladin plays, but that shield cone should add another minor bit of flavor. At this rate, by 6.0 PLD will be as interesting as MNK in 2.0.

>>377744816
Nocking an arrow and aiming takes time if you don't want to miss. Trying to move while you shoot will also make it harder to aim.

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>>377744601
Europeans are utter cancer, barely communicate and knowing English isn't even assured. The French are literally the Brazilians of this game and are much more prevalent. Don't let anyone fool you: even at their lowest low, American data centers are much better than European.

>>377744405
you have an aoe, link spin slash, and a channeling shield ability that reduces damage for those behind you. still boring lol but at least you can block magic damage now

I want to start playing FF14 but I dont know what class to pick.
everytime I bring it up somewhere for suggestions, people almost always say something like
>Dont play X class, they are shit. Play Y class instead
>LOL Y class sucks, play Z class instead.
>If you play Z class, then youre shit and shouldnt even bother playing the game in the first place.

How is that BRD skill that refreshed the two DoT's going to work?

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>>377739872

>>377744902
>>377744936
Seems like you guys need to move to the land of the Free.

>>377744709
>they instantly teleport right back into their ley lines
yoshi thought of everything

>>377744964
Play the class whose animations and aesthetics you like the most, fuck the meta.

>>377744868
WARs seem to be buffed because hexuple fell cleave.
Tanks in general were nerfed though.

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>>377744910
I really hope the healer pull spell will be available on titan EX

>>377744936
I played on Gilgamesh and transferring to EU was the best decision I've made in this game desu
Playing with Americans almost made me quit the game

>>377744964
Play whatever you like. The meta is going to change completely in a month anyway.

>>377744964
We also keep telling you that you can change your class at any time without repercussions, retard.

>New Buff: Release the Inner Beast. Halves IB consumption while active, immune to stun/sleep/bind/heavy/knockback while active. Shares cooldown with Unchained, only usable in Deliverance. Costs 20 IB, lasts for 20s, cooldown of 120s.
>immune to stun/sleep/bind/heavy/knockback while active
WAR wins again.

>>377744964
Don't listen to Y or Z shitters, X is the best job and is getting a ton of love this expansion.

>>377744225
>>377744585
Don't forget that BLM has also gotten a significant mobility boost as well. Between AM, the new leylines teleport on a 3 second cooldown, and the new healer pull BLM will be rocketing all over the place. They can now stay inside an aoe and keep casting until the last second, teleport/be teleported outside, then immediately teleport back in. They won't be quite as mobile as BRD/MCH but they'll be much less affected about having to move in Stormblood than they were previously.

SMNs seem to be the only one getting the shaft out of this deal but their damage is mostly DoT/Summon-based so they don't lose too much by moving for a couple of seconds.

>>377744964
Choose what you like the most, people telling you that X class/job is shit are dumbasses.

does SMN get an actually cool summon now?

>>377744795
I haven't seen how rotationally MCH works now but I can only assume the overheat mechanic they have now will make them less RNG proc based class.

because that was the worst aspect of MCH honestly.

>>377744676
And???? That's how it is now. Because of a fucking songs. Are you retarded?

>>377745263
As a temporary buff, yes.

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It's over MCHbros, we're gonna get hit with a nerfbat to our dps because now people are gonna say 'why is the most mobile job doing the most damage'. (Nevermind that this is already the case - but our cast times gave us credibility so people were inclined to overlook it)

The kicker is we're going to be paying a dps tax for mobility we dont need anyway - ranged already have 100% uptime when played well. To add insult to injury the jobs are gonna get flooded by the same casual shitters SE is appleasing with these mobility 'buffs'.

>>377745385
i'll except it

>>377745162
but is it immune to damage vuln up, the only debuff that actually matters?
check mate war babbies

Haven't played FFXIV in a while, but I played SCH.

What did they do to it?

>People bitch you aren't dpsing
>Pull them into aoes

Thank you yoshi

>>377745382
No, now it's BRD/MCH with no room for casters.

>>377745263
Bahamut egi, though it appears to function somewhat like Dissipation by eating your other pet and having a limited time frame(looked like basically an extra use of Trance).

So now I'm imagining some bullshit like this...
Have full Aetherflow charges, sit on Aetherflow cooldown(60s).
Use charges, use Aetherflow, enter Dreadwyrm Trance(30s cooldown)
After the 15 seconds of that, Deathflare.
Convert egi to Bahamut.
15 more seconds of not-Dreadwyrm, then Deathflare.
Dreadwyrm Trance comes off cooldown, assume you've used your Aetherflow charges like a good little SMN. Use Dreadwyrm Trance.
Yadda.
Summon Bahamut again(assuming the cooldown allows it). Yadda.
Aetherflow for charges and use them up. A few seconds of downtime here.
Back into Dreadwyrm Trance...
Moar Bahamut.
You're finally tapped out. Either wait 30 seconds to do a basic Aetherflow - Dread - Bahamut, or 90 for that entire ball of nonsense again. You'll have to re-summon a basic egi a couple times in there, but I'm sure the damage increase more than makes up for the couple of lolruins you don't cast.

what is all that new shit ast can do?

>>377745401
>Job gets flooded by shitty casuals
>Good players stand out even more

I'm ok with this

>>377744931
Sure, but your PC is supposed to be the absolute best at that job. A highly skilled archer can move and shoot at the same time while remaining accurate, granted not at MUH LEGOLAS speeds. But then again this is a fantasy game, so MUH LEGOLAS speeds apply.

>>377745643
I want them to just make it eventually possible to never have an Egi.

>>377745629
>everyone cries about losing their stacks

>>377745629
>MNK shoulder tackles back to the boss to keep up GL
>Rescue him mid animation

>>377745638
Sounds like you're just a shitter if you're getting dropped for a MCH/BRD as a caster

>>377741341
I have no qualms with healing people with PLD long as it adds enmity.

Why does Red Mage look more fun to play than Black Mage?

>>377741341
it's ALWAYS a fucking lizard, amazing really

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>>377745884
There's a cave behind the waterfall I posted it again xDDD

>>377745401
Good. MCH had been buffed several times and devs clearly didn't know how to balance it.

>>377745884
Why am I so sure you're the same person with the 2.5 bait? How did this become your life, desperately fishing for any human interaction no matter how tedious?

So for DPS, does it matter what we play now since they all get similar utility except for stuff like DRG's piercing debuff and MNK's physical down debuff?

>>377740869
And their instant mudra combo too

So did they explain what that new mini Holy does for Paladin?

>>377746038
That's always what mattered about selecting DPS.

GENERAL REMINDER THAT SAMURAI HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT TO TOP TIER IN XI AND THEY'VE NEVER LET IT BE SHIT OR ELSE THE JP GO CRAZY.

SAM WILL ALWAYS BE TOP TIER IN XIV.

http://may.2chan.net/b/res/485280699.htm

Futaba's FF14 thread

>>377746086
They said it's "single target Holy". I assume that means it's single target Holy.

>>377741958
You do realize you're wasting more ping getting TO your VPN than you are saving using one?

How did this meme even start? Are people really this stupid?

Check your ping to your VPN. Now ADD that to your ping to XIV. That's your actual ping to XIV.

Is there a link to all the new stuff?

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>>377746136
I was pretty let down by the animations. Looked very bland and uninspired. Shocking because they could've literally just used all the weapon skills from XI. Looks like they only made very shallow attempts at Kasha and Yukikaze.

>>377746148
translation?

>>377746176
No sort of additional effect, just a casted damage spell? The fuck is even the point unless it hits like a truck?

>SCH
>Considering jumping ship to RDM or SMN
>Worried that they'll be boring since I'm not responsible for both healing AND DPS
Am I right?

They didn't really say much about DRK. It only looks like we got another thing to manage on top of managing MP.

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>>377745962
>>377746028

>>377746304
People often use incorrect terminology when talking about this, but they're not wrong in principle. A VPN can reduce latency for some people because the VPN has superior routing to the destination. Regular residential American ISPs frequently fuck their customers with routing on purpose and/or just don't care about optimization.

Overhealing is now an important part of WHM, since that's what gives you lilies. Does that count as fixing a problem?

>>377744964
fuck the meta, play what looks cool.

>>377746448
Offensive use for PLD's extra MP. And a ranged stun if it has range.

>>377746448
It probably hits like a truck.

>>377746452
4.0 is not the time to jump to a dps class. They are literally a mass of peasants and the worst of the worst players

>Swap out of cleric to heal someone
>lol no didnt swap
>Burned aetherflow for nothing
Well at least that'll never happen again I guess?
Cleric swapping was fun when it worked

>>377738780
>PLD
yes but mostly because of the ability to block magic. The aoe is pointless since youll be doing 4 mans on WAR/DRK anyways and the 15% mitigation seems useless 90% of the time

>WAR
Yes, greatly. We got fucking rampart AND reprisal. Can other tanks even compete?

>DRK
Nothing was lost but we have no fucking idea what they actually gained.

>>377745629
I'll probably pull my friends around outside of combat, or if someone goes AFK just outside the boss barrier.

I'm honestly excited for the ability because I legitimately wanted it for serious use too. Seeing someone lag behind while running out of an AoE, for situations like those.

>>377746482
Seems so. The spinning slash doesn't look like enough for me to stay DRK than going PLD.

>>377746516
What am I supposed to do with a bunch of gay flowers? Eat them?

>>377746632
Eh, how long should I wait then? I'm not even 60 (or 50) for whatever that's worth

>>377746642
inb4 the new DRK attacks are also OGCD

so what's the sitrep on PLD? is it still in the cuckshed?

>>377745687
Looked like a Malefic III, for one. You get Lord and Lady cards that you can turn existing ones into. Lord is negative effects (debuffs), Lady is positive ones (buffs). One of the new abilities is filling up all your slots - you put a card into Spread, in your hand and one Lord/Lady effect all at the press of a single button.

There's also an over time AoE effect you place down that increases in potency over time, we don't know what it does exactly. They said it generally stayed the same.

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This paying to get to 60 shit is the worst disease this game has gotten.

I have worked my fucking ass off to get several level 60 characters and I deserve that fucking acknowledgement over some cunt who had a fat wallet and bought them all. This is literally cheating and unfair. I have earned the fucking privilege of playing and getting gear for that job after all I've been through, yet some rich fat fuck gets to pay himself to the top.

Fuck you, and fuck your piece of fuck money. There should be one god damn way to be the best and that is through blood, sweat and tears. I deserve every piece of equipment and every experience point I've gathered over the years and you deserve absolutely fucking nothing. Eat shit!

>>377745629
>vote kicking the healer is the new meta

Thank you yoshi

>>377746642
>the 15% mitigation seems useless 90% of the time
Progression player here. 15% will be a huge difference in wiping vs actually progressing. Most people don't know how asshole clenching Teraflare in coil was even with melded VIT accessories.

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>>377746315
>>377746315
>>377746315
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>>377746315
pls respond

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im really excited with the changes, every class seem to have been improved, the moves look flashy and cool, and the new UI changes are more than welcome, really good live letter, got me hyped as fuck

>>377746490
You're australian aren't you

>>377746791
It now becomes the Cuckshed.

>>377746791
Probably. Unless everything shits out ludicrous damage they still seem inferior to the other two damage-wise and mitigation-wise since now Reprisal seems to not require a parry (no too sure on this one)

>>377746893
You can only buy one.

>>377746893
Why would you level multiple characters to 60 lmao

Got a bahamut summon

Definitely better.

>>377746893
you fucking preach it, bro. fuck those pay2skip shitters that can't play the fucking videogame like everyone else did. i vote kick any and all level 60's with green sprouts next to their names

I tried to condense the important information from the Live Letter to serve as reference.

https://pastebin.com/SaaUSsFf

I can read the changes but post fuckin pictures

>>377747029
per character?

>>377746713
Your cast time is reduced for every one you've got, and you can burn them for a shield heal like SCH.

>>377747094
Per account

>Fantasias
>Jump Potions
>Cash shop cosmetics

And XIV still won't get nearly as reinvested into as it should be, looking forward to funding KH3/FFVII Remake and still getting shit on

I haven't played in a longass time, what'd they do to MNK now?

>>377747138
Until 4.1, where they'll unlock it because Square Enix sees a way to earn money. They even said this on the stream.

>>377746893
This is a stupid reason to be upset and likely false-flagging. I have everything at 60 and the only reason it bothers me is it's more exploitative cash shop 'content' rather than anything for the game.

>>377747138
i hope this is true i guess i didn't hear that in the live letter.

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>>377746948
Now why would you say that
Australians are honest people

>>377747068
Thanks anon.

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>East Coast NIN
>finally adjusted to the ping changes
>"it'll be fine, I can just do a fuma instead of a raiton, it's not that big of a deal and the debuffs don't make the potency that much different"
>it gets a skill that lets you use 3 mudras instantly
>even more clipping

what the fuck man

>>377745629
This sounds like hell in pugs and you just know the only use of this ability would be to grief players.

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>>377747779
>haha I can just fuma
>try to use it
>doesn't throw it for some reason
>bunny myself

Holy shit Rescue is going to lead to so much bullshit

they did this in Tera and shit only got worse

>>377746791
Warrior is giving up on their little tryst with Dark Knight, and are coming back home to Paladin.

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hows my dragoon looking? any serious changes?

>>377748025
It's a cute skill, but yeah. More trouble than what it is worth it. Even griefing aside there will be a lot of poor judgement even in good groups.

>WAR has Vengeance, Convalescence, Rampart, Raw Intuition, Equilibrium, Thrill of Battle and Holmgang
MASTER
RACE
Lost Foresight to gain Rampart which is a direct upgrade while both PLD and DRK lost Foresight completely.

>>377748270
THE POWER OF NIGGERHOG

>>377748270
Worse than monk but better than ninja.

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>>377748270
>BBC

>>377748270
Literally no change except BotD turns red sometimes. Please look forward to it.

>>377739227
I just want bot fuckhuge cannons.
Where the fuck are my pistols, Yoshi.

>>377747068
>https://pastebin.com/SaaUSsFf
Thanks for the quick rundown this is what I needed.

>BRD is finally reclaiming its former glory

Still kind of sucks that we can't pocket heal LB but WM was cancer.

Would've been neat though if it was a ~20s cooldown that made the next shot charged, though.

>Everyone has a generic resource gauge

I'm not sure how I feel about this

>Oh fuck SMN has an actual summ- oh it lasts for like 10 seconds

SMN will never actually be SMN

>>377742656
You don't need Cleric Stance to dps.
You need Cleric Stance to maximize dps.

>>377748614
Not everyone. Some of the gauges are actually timers.

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>>377748298
>magic blocking
>15% damage reduction + 100% block buff
WAR ain't shit, I'm fucking invincible.

WHERE IS THE FOOTAGE OF THE LIVELETTER

>>377748608
WM is still a thing though, just changed. Maybe a few skills are still (short) charges.

>Actions which are direct upgrades of lower-level actions will directly replace the button of the lower-level action, saving hotbar space. E.g. Stone II replaces Stone, and Stone III replaces Stone II. The available action also changes based on level sync. Actions with different effects remain separate (i.e. Fire and Fire II)

I've never played caster. Was casting lower level spells to save mana ever a 'real' strategy? It seems kind of odd to prevent you from choosing the strength of your cast.

>>377748614
>SMN should get big short summons instead of shitty permanent egis!
>SMN gets a big short summon, people still complain
what the fuck do you summoners want

>>377748614
Summons are usually just strong spells with a cutscene. This is closer to what they are traditionally rather than a permanent pet

>>377748270
Geirskogul doesn't deplete botd in red mode and is on a 5 second CD.

>>377748614
>>Oh fuck SMN has an actual summ- oh it lasts for like 10 seconds
>SMN will never actually be SMN
Yeah, totally unlike the original FF summoners.

SMN have literally been given everything they wanted. Niggers literally get to summon actual Bahamut now and they still aren't happy.

>>377748747
Is it really worth saying WM is "still there" when it no longer resembles what it once did?

That's like saying Cleric's Stance is still a thing, that's technically correct but it's completely different.

>>377748665
>RNG
>2 minute cooldown

>>377748793
Fire II is the aoe version of Fire I
SMN does use all 3 Ruin spells for that reason, however

The final value on 4.0 cleric stance better be at least 15%. In the live letter it was 5% which is completely worthless.

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I honestly can't tell if DRG is better because I have no idea what the new actions during red trance do.

>>377748793
Not really. Stone 1's heavy is the only real loss assuming they don't give it to the higher tiers.

>>377748862
This, honestly.

>WE WANT SUMMON GLAMOURS
>here's your summon glamours
>NO. I DON'T WANT THAT.

>WE WANT NORMAL SIZED SUMMONS
>here, you can summon bahamut now
>UGH FOR ONLY 10 SECONDS? GOD THIS GAME IS RUINED

SMN has to be the whiniest job in the game.

Is WAR's MUH FELL CLEAVE still a thing?

So is there any text written up of actual changes or is everyone just badly inferring shit based off of a video of animations?

>>377748793
No, it never was. Stone 1 currently has a slow effect which Stone 2 doesn't have, but Stone 3 is just a direct upgrade of Stone 2 and there's never a reason to use Stone 2 once you have it.

For BLMs it's a bit different since each level of their spell works slightly differently with regards to their Astral/Umbral mechanic.
e.g. Fire 1 - short cast, grants one stack of Astral
Fire 2 - AoE
Fire 3 - long cast, grants three stacks of astral
Fire 4 - Requires astral fire and enochian to use, but grants no stacks of astral.

>>377739872

Literally no way they'll let fell cleave be 500 potency and let you do 5 of them

Prepare for potency nerf

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>>377748915
>Bulwark
>Sheltron

>>377749062
muh pentuple fell cleave

>>377748943
we honestly doesn't know if any class is better or worse

>Second Wind is no longer exclusive
>now I can't special snowflake and survive high dps bursts while showing everyone online I did
ree

>no more b4b
ree muh deeps

>Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Internal Release, Hawk's Eye no longer available.
Is MCH dead?

>>377748793
As a healer I only ever used the low level spells if I somehow messed up mp management. Neither of the casters have any mana problems and the only redundant numbered spells for casters was thunder II and the thunders are the only spells I think this change is going to apply to for casters

>>377748943
>Red Mode
>Geir doesn't cost BotD and does more damage
>But you can't refill BotD time
there you go.

>>377749137
>Second Wind is no longer exclusive

It never was.

>>377749050
>>377748862

I never wanted that shit

literally all I wanted was for egi's to look like proper summons, and have one or two more toggle abilities so it feels like they're a bigger part of the play style. As of now they're less 'summoner' and more 'bahamut breeder'

>>377749137
>Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Internal Release, Hawk's Eye no longer available.
>Is MCH dead?
They'll be named something else, guaranteed.

>>377746906
Thats the problem, if alexander is anything to go by, there will be no asshole clenching moves until the very last raid of omega.

The only other move I can recall was a4s when all 4 legs were dead, and that was darkness damage. Which means the 15% PLDs offer wont be effective. its still more than DRK can offer however, but we need to see what else they got.

>>377748862
I mean, in the majority of games summons only appeared very briefly to begin with.

If anything you should be petitioning SE to give your normal Egis the same treatment so they actually resemble the primals they're based on rather than animal crystals.

>>377738780
I'm a Paladin. I have no where to go but up.

I dabble in Monk and that looks pretty neat too

>>377749413
When have summoners ever been a pet class besides XI you dumb faggot? They have ALWAYS just summoned huge shit to do one massive attack before disappearing.

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I really want to bully WAR and DPS with my Healer pull skill.
I just want to see the rages as big as I can get from interrupting WAR on cleave steroid.

>all those thundercloud procs from thunder 2/4
I hope thundercloud allows for you to use either the thunder 3 or 4 for full damage.

>>377749503
>When have summoners ever been a pet class besides XI

But XI is the only one that matters

>>377749503
That anon is an idiot, but FFX

>>377749525
I can definitely see a wave of bans coming from people trolling with Rescue.

>>377749503
What is FFX?

Do we know what the Bahamut even does? It's kind of redundant if it just shows up for one big attack since SMN already had a move that did that

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Tank
Rampart;
Low Blow (5s Stun || 25s Cooldown);
Provoke;
Convalescence;
Abandon/Forsake/Reflex?;
Reprisal (Reduce targets outgoing damage by 10% for 5s || 60s Cooldown);
Awareness;
Interject (Silence?)
Ultimatum (AoE Provoke || 90s Cooldown);
Shirk.
Healer
Cleric Stance (Increases damage dealt by 5%? for 15s || 90s Cooldown);
Break;
Protect;
Esuna;
Lucid Dream;
Swiftcast;
Eye for an Eye;
Affection;
Surecast;
Rescue (Pulls target party member towards you || 150s Cooldown).
Melee DPS
Second Wind;
Arm’s length;
Leg Sweep;
Diversion (Quelling Strikes || 120s Cooldown);
Invigorate;
Bloodbath;
Goad;
Restraint/Diversion/Feint?;
Clutch;
True North (Removes Positional Requirements for 15s || 150s Cooldown).
Ranged DPS
Second Wind;
Foot Graze;
Leg Graze;
Proton (Increases self and party member movement speed for 30s out of combat || 5s Cooldown);
Invigorate;
Tactician;
Refresh;
Head Graze;
Arm Graze (Stun for 2s || 25s Cooldown);
Palisade (Reduces physical damage taken by target by 20% for 10s || 150s Cooldown).
Caster
Addle (Reduce Target INT/MND for 15% for 10s || 120s Cooldown);
Break;
Drain (Magic damage with 80 potency, portion of damage done converted to health || 600 MP Cost)
Diversion (Same as Melee);
Lucid Dream;
Swiftcast;
Mana Shift (Transfer up to 20% of your max MP to target || 150s Cooldown);
Apocotastatsadiajdlwadjal (BLM Ability);
Surecast;
Erase (Removes DoTs from target party member || 90s Cooldown).

Hey guys. Thinking of going back to FFXIV but i'm kind of intimidated at the prospect of slogging through all the MSQ's to catch up. I enjoy the story but after like a 15 month break I don't think it'll grip me much.

ANYWAY. The last MSQ I remember doing was a child-like masked/robed kid lieing to me and the others to manipulate us into leading some judge guy into a trap. We ended up beating the judge and gave the "kid" a scolding after with some kind of Ara ara lalafell making mature jokes.

How much MSQ do you guys think I have left to catch up?

>>377749669
Attacks for 30~ seconds then you have to resummon garuda.

>Living Dead/Hallowed Ground/Holmgang nowhere to be seen

>>377749715
>The last MSQ I remember doing was a child-like masked/robed kid lieing to me and the others to manipulate us into leading some judge guy into a trap. We ended up beating the judge and gave the "kid" a scolding after with some kind of Ara ara lalafell making mature jokes.
That's not even MSQ, so no clue. But Heavensward post-60 MSQs are pretty short. You can do it in a couple hours if you're geared enough that you can avoid grinding.

>>377749715
that was a sidequest

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>cast time removed from MCH/BRD

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>>377744816
>knocking an arrow doesn't take 1.5s and require me to stand still
>Archery doesn't require you to stand still and concentrate/aim

Are you legitimately retard, honest question? You've never shot a bow or even a crossbow in your life have you?

Pretty great. All the normies say SAM isn't flashy enough so they're all going RDM now instead. Less SAMs to compete with.

>>377749812
>That's not even MSQ.

Fuck. I came back a few months ago and they had changed all the quest iqons it seemed like from since I last played ( first few months of heavensward ) and I was quite lost in which quests to do.

Last MSQ I think I remember doing was some brown-haired guy going "Well? Shall we show them who we are?" And getting my ass reamed in a cutscene by an npc party.

>>377749137
>all the buffs gone
>wildfire changes to 50% of all damage dealt to compensate

>>377749715
Just buy a story skip potion for $20.

Maim now applies the slashing debuff, Eye is the +20% damage self buff, and Storm's Path doesn't reduce damage but instead gives 20 points of Inner Beast instead of 10 from every other skill. BB won't be part of WAR's optimal rotation anymore.

>>377749083
They will, because Berserk is now 30% 60s cooldown and the skill that lets you do 6 FC instead of 3 is on a 120s cooldown. It's something that will happen every other Berserk.

>>377750009
You've got maybe 30 or so quests to do and a couple dungeons.

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>>377746490
>Faerie

>>377750009
That's near the beginning of the post-60 MSQ, but they cut down the fluff from ARR. Just go unlock your new dungeons, get what gear you can, and you should be done in a few hours unless you totally get fucked on gear drops. Even then, you can go buy a few pieces of i250 gear from the market board to boost you if you need. You'll need i230 to finish.

>>377750115
>maim applies slashing
>WARs will still find ways to let it drop

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I don't have the will to go on

>>377749765
Definitely still in, only unknown variable is what skills that they took from the classes and added into the role pool are put in their stead. Like what does GLA get at 22 if Provoke was slotted out for the level 16 role skill.

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>>377749992
Shooting a bow for sport/hunting and shooting a bow in combat are totally different things.

But ultimately, it's fantasy. Stop making realism an argument here, because it isn't. I could tell you a billion reasons why the fishing in this game makes no fucking sense but I'm not about to tell Square to revamp it because that'd be retarded.

>>377745168
>X is the best job

Are you retarded? Y outdps the shit out of it by a mile and let's not talk about Z's raid utility.

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>>377744901
>Quiver on back
>Not at hip

FUCKING LARPERS

>>377749715
The mainquests are really short and go by really fast, i havent played since last summer but logged in during the free time and i finished the quests in a couple of minutes

>>377750265
that's 2 gubal library nm

>>377750115
>BB won't be part of WAR's optimal rotation anymore.
This is nice because their gap closer applies enmity and you know WARs will just be using that shit off gcd like brutal swing i mean low blow

>>377745101
americans all shout hotdog and talk about their freedom before being sent to bed by their abusive father.

>>377750360
>you know WARs will just be using that shit off gcd like brutal swing
It uses 20 points of IB which could go towards Fell Cleave instead.

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>>377750265
Then don't. Please buy AST™ from the Mog Station®.

>>377744590
Archers worked this way in LOTRO and it was boss. But then, they were the "mage" of that game.

I hated WM/Gauss because not having them was fun, and having them just made it another BLM. Thank fuck they pulled it back.

thoughts on the possibility of a bahamut mount, in light of summoners being crowned king of casters?

its wishful thinking and I know it, but I like it

>>377750141
>>377750164

Thanks you two, i'll get it out of the way in the comming days then, looking forward of playing samurai. ( I've spent literally all of my FFXIV playtime throughout the years being a fucking WHM/PLD ) for random dungeons and my progress group. I guess I should ask, how are PLD's looking nowadays? PLD being completely eclipsed in Heavensward was one of the things finally pushing me away after years of playing.

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I main BLM so i'm pretty upset
Guess i'll be switching to RDM or SAM, at least then I won't get completely fucked in the ass

>>377750629
From the live letter today, PLD is looking fucking amazing.

Can somebody give me a quick rundown on the monk changes?

I'm just now starting the live letter but that shit's gonna be 4 hours of autism.

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>>377738780
I want to kiss this cat!

>/vg/ circlejerking faggots think they should put their shitty generals here
>literally nobody plays their niche shitty themepark mmo where you sit in town 90% of the time hopping around waiting on queues and shit

>>377748939
It's not as big a problem as it sounds, since a lot of those cross-class abilities are mandatory shit like Protect and Esuna. At 5% it makes Cleric a good candidate for dropping, since you don't have room in the five slots for everything you need to be taking.

>>377748670
Job skills vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFDb3z0aQPI
Full letter MIA because SE nuked it.

>>377750674
>Party Damage buff like DRGs crit one
>Gain chakra stacks when party memebers deal damage.

>>377749551
Will the Miqittens move to Doma? ;_;

>>377750485
>I hated WM/Gauss because not having them was fun

>these are the people who will be flocking to the job in stormblood
welp I guess we had a good run in HW