SMASH 64, MELEE, AND TR4SH TOURNAMENT, EVERYONE WELCOMED
>Who's winning each event
>Biggest upset at Top 8
>WHO YOU'RE ROOTAN FOR
but probably won't win
Let's get this shit rolling, lads.
I've got to be rooting for my nigga PPMD
3 stock on Armada inocming
>WHO YOU'RE ROOTAN FOR but probably won't win
I'm rooting for Armada vs Mango grand finals. I don't care which one wins, but it's the most meaningful matchup from a historical point of view, considering, yknow... Genesis 1 and 2
TOP 8 IS
ARMADA VS PPPMD
HBOX VS AXE
NINTENDUDE VS MANG0
SFAT VS ICE
SO PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE ELSE RELEVANT GOT UPSETTED
ONLY THE S2J VS ABATE HAPPENED AT SALTY SUITE AND S2J WON
Smash 4 Predictions
4.) Larry Lurr
FOW is super underrrated tbqh
And I have faith PP can beat Armada, look the crew battle. Unless Armada goes Peach whcihc he probably will. It'll be super close though.
I want PPMD to win, but Mango vs Armada GF is obviously the favorite choice.
Side question: How do you gimp Ice Climbers to the point where the person who plays them becomes just as frustrated as you when you're wobbled?
Is the answer always 20XX?
i wanna see anyone but dabuz win smash 4
preferably the Ness or Villager guy. Japan is scary.
For Melee, i wanna see how far Axe can go because he's been fucking crazy this tournament. PPMD can maybe take it but it depends on how Armada is.
fuck Hbox v Armads grand finals because i've seen them too much
Mango will choke
The crew battle gave me hope but PPMD is inconsistent as fuck. I'm honestly surprised he's done so well with all his health issues so far.
Honestly PPMD vs Armada might be the biggest set of the tournament and its happening pretty damn early.
Or it could be an EVO repeat, who knows. PP's definitely been training for Armada though, he's pretty much the only American player in 2015 to ever beat Armada outside of Hbox taking Dreamhack because of the PAL handicap on Fox.
At home being "sick", like every time he wants to go abroad. He seriously needs to get his shit together.
>"hurr durr inconsistent!"
What do you define as inconsistent? You do know that, in 2016 highest level of play-meta, 1 mistake = 1 stock, right? Even if someone gets 3-4 stocked, that doesnt mean the choked.
I meant thats from one Tweet compared to people who see him and talk to him on a regular basis.
I know, I was joking about the MIOM rankings.
Not sure who I want to win sm4sh
Ranai would be cool
I wouldn't mind Zero winning but it wouldn't help the zero/sheikwinslol stigma
Nairo would be cool too
Dabuz winning would reopen the fucking salt mines for the retard stream monsters
>tfw no scene in my whole country
>tfw netplay laggy and unstable as fuck even if you have a decent connection and can play online every other game
>tfw no options to play melee with actual human beings
kill me, seriously
>I can't do that because I'm not black
Jesus christ I immediately closed that shit, cringey as fuck.
>has to play Zero in winners
>then had to face Nairo in losers
So glad that faggot is getting blown the fuck out again the only time I want ZeRo to win.
I wish the Jap would take it all so Japan wins Crews, doubles and singles but knowing ZeRo he probably downloaded Villager from that doubles set
He's got a point.
Damn i want to see HMW and Boss commentate together.
I, and pretty much every lower-mid level player, have at least 5 times more tech skill than hbox. So no, i can't like hbox because nothing he does requires any sort of skill. He could be a tr4sh player for all i care.
What would happen between PP and Hbox? I'm legitimately curious.
Armada keeps telling him what he does wrong with marth vs fox, but he just doesn't want to listen. Let him play his 2009 marth against top level 2016 foxes. PPU said it exactly 1 year ago that m2ks marf is outdated.
Hbox would win, his floating game has transcended past the point of PP's Marth and Falco anti-floaty specialty.
PPMD needs Armada to take out Hungrybox so he doesn't have to deal with him. PP can conceivably beat Armada, but Jiggs vs Falco and Marth is a hill no-one wants to climb.
Honestly I can see Medical Practitioner Penispenis going all Marth today in top 8. His Falco was getting blasted earlier and just didn't seem to be on point to where it normally is. He commented a couple weeks ago about not being able to track SHFFLasers and I'm wondering if it's still affecting him and maybe Marth is just easier to keep track of since he's less inputs per second.
Did anyone save a gif or webm of sfat's super sweaty body vs PPMD?
/v/ stream monsters get mad seeing defensive play and get especially triggered by Rosalinas. Dabuz as a consequence is loathed here, despite playing his mains like they're supposed to be played.
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It really doesn't even matter the game on itself is plain as fuck no matter what you say, i mainly play this smash but you can say shit about Zero i mean he is winning virtually everything, let's see how it goes today
>Sheik is dull as fuck.
NIgger you haven't seen my sheik then. I basically copied plup because like him, i have always been very good in the neutral game and my reactions are ninja lik-
Oh, you're talking about tr4sh.
Well sorry i bothered you.
Shiek is dull as fuck in Melee too faggot
>tfw mang0 wont make it to grand finals with armada
>tfw homemadewafffles will never say
>ALRIGHT MAN YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT IT IS, THE TIE BREAKER!
>Its just going to be HFag and Armada yet again.
>Nintendude wobbles mango out of the tourney at 8th place
I want to see this riot occur.
I really want FOW to make it further. I have no idea why he has always opted to go Ness against Dabuz. I hope he's been practicing on a counterpick. He'd be retarded to stay Ness if he really wants to win it all.
Holy shit, the salt collected would be enough to sustain humans for the rest of our existence.
People were triggered as fuck when m2k lost to nintendude yesterday. If this actually happens I could see people pushing wobbling to become banned.
Wii U predictions:
5.) Larry Lurr
Really disappointing that Abadango got knocked out so early, I had him pegged to get 4th.
Can someone explain to me what the big gameplay differences are between smash64 and melee? For instance I know melee is really fast, brawl is really floaty, but I don't know anything about 64
>Super Smash Brothers 4 for the Nintendo Wii U and 3DS
Nigga, Sheik isn't entertaining at all.
Boring as fuck moveset
Can lame out with Needles and her FAirs
Relies on fundamentals but isn't as interesting or fun as Marth
Can go on full auto-pilot in all the games she's in
Tryhards attract to her immediately
The only reason people actually can tolerate Sheik in Melee because fanboys are crying about the Spacies
Also when was the last time a Sheik won a major?
I never watch Wii U but im interested in seeing japan perform.
However, seeing only one jap got top 8 im starting to lose interest. If the american players are the best then the game clearly has shit potential.
On the other hand, 64 is fucking god.
ah...the experts of /v/.
The two main differences between Smash 64 and Melee are that smash 64 does not have DI. No DI at all, that's why you see so many zero to deaths. And it also doesn't have diagonal air-dodging or air-dodging at all for that matter. Which in turn means that there's no wavedashing, wavelanding, ledge dashing and blah blah.
Other differences include the lack of Side-B moves, no spot dodge, no up and down throw, you can't fast fall after performing an aerial attack and many many more.
Smash 64 is still, easily, the second most technical smash bros game out there, though.
>yfw Nintendude bumps off mang0 and M2K in the same tournament
Japan has already won both crews and doubles, despite being outnumbered massively and being on foreign ground, with many having their first ever US major here. The fact is that there are some absolute monsters in this bracket, and it's unsurprising the few Japanese players got killed off by people. Esam didn't make top 8 and Nairo was knocked into losers by a fucking Toon Link.
this it said some shit should have started around but all da streams is offlaine sahn
>we wuz streems n shit
>Melee top 8 lasts until 7AM in Europe.
Monday is going to be fucking hard.
>(Note: SSB64 Analysis may not occur due to logistics)
zero percent chance with Armada there. Icies Peach is the worst matchup out of all the top 8 combinations. Also Armada hasn't lost to a non top six player in six years. Nintendude will absolutely not win and will almost certainly be eliminated by Mango
>People Complain about Wobbling
>M2K goes Peach which is an 80-20 MU against ICs
>Tried to time Nintendude out
>People blame Nintendude for "playing lame" even though everyone gets pissy at Hbox for playing the exact same way M2K played.
Please stop cock riding M2K.
is the stream up? can someone post when the fucking stream goes live? At this rate being on the east coast im gonna miss all the shit because lazy beach bums cant keep a goddamn schedule.
these are the projected brackets
what do you guys think
I didn't watch the match cause I was asleep but I highly fucking doubt anyone boo-d wobbling. its 2016 for fucks sake.
Or are you talking about twitch chat/v? cause they don't know what they fuck theyre talking about.
>People thinking Isai will win against tacos
Isai is rusty and tacos is playing absolutely on point (taking a game off boom and nearly losing just because of a stock being taken due to a hori pause). You people need to stop fanboying over isai as if he's some unbeatable god because it's fucking cringeworthy.
name the last time a Falco took a set off hbox
I don't actually know when it was so you'll have to surprise me. I wonder just how many years it's been.
it's not but whatever you say, your opinion won't make any difference anyways
So having a 10 (Ten) frame input buffer is an opinion and not a fact?
The momentum of your running speed not carrying over to the speed of your jump is also an opinion and not a fact and BAD video game design in general?
Those are just 2 of the 154 (not even joking) reasons as of why smash 4 is objectively, yes objectively, a bad video game.
But go ahead m8.
watch Westball's interview with the daily dot, he talks a lot about Falco's matchup with the floaties. He thinks Puff is doable because she dies super early off a few hits in neutral (laser autocancel bair uptilt shine upB kills on Yoshis). He thinks Peach is unwinnable for Falco because you have to win in neutral 10 times as much as peach to get a kill, and if peach touches you you die
>A buffer really isn't a big deal.
Yeah, if it was 2 frames like in PM (which i, and many many others, still found very shitty to begin with) but 10 frames is just too much dude. Way too much.
PPMD is a wildcard. I can see him at the very least getting to loser's finals if he keeps up the level of play he's been showing. Axe my very well cause a massive upset too. But it all comes down to who faces Armada in grand finals
>Nairo beating Ranai
The number 2 in Mexico 3-0'd him. I'm honestly suspecting Marss to kill him.
>Smash 64 doesn't have DI
Stop. I hate having to play this game and see people misconstrue basics of the game and treat it like every single touch is just going to be a zero to death. There is DI in this game you nog.
I legit think westballz thinks this way because he doesn't have the greatest neutral or "mindgames" if you will.
Its the same reason armada thinks peach puff is unwinnable. Armada has a lot stronger neutral to be sure but he still relies on touch of death combos and is out of his element when its not an option.
>I can't enjoy all the smash games for what they are because one happens to be better overall that the other
True autism this is why no one will ever take Melee seriously outside of smash
input buffering is actually an interesting concept that, while stupidly long in brawl, would be nice for a few things in melee. The most important thing to note is that melee actually does allow buffered inputs out of certain actions. You can buffer throw out pummel, have a 20 frame buffer on jump out of hitstun, and can also use C stick to buffer options out of shield. Also being able to act out of jumpsquat is effectively an input buffer. The only other bufferable input I'd like to see in melee is Z giving you a few frame buffer on grab instead of being set to lightshield. I understand why it's not that was (developers wanted to give players choice between analog and digital shields but didn't have another button so they had to map it to Z) but I think having a dedicated lightshield button is kind of stupid when you've got full analog control via shoulder triggers
Armada can play a patient, waiting game as well but Puff-Peach is really undoable. The way Hbox controls space is pretty unreal and her hitbox data, aerial mobility, and insta-kill just make it way too difficult
Ranai - Villager
Fow - Ness
Zero - Sheik (will bring out the Diddy if his Sheik gets smacked around and if he ends up facing Void)
Void - Sheik
Nairo - ZSS and maybe Doc or another character (Robin?) against Larry
Larry Lurr - Fox and potentially Sheik or Luigi
Dabuz - Rosalina and Olimar
Marss - ZSS
Look them up yourself.
I'll post a few:
>Powershield/Perfect shield does NOT reflect projectiles
And tons of character specific shit like:
>Marth can't do a short hop double fair
>You can NOT jump/cancel your shine (Down-B special of Fox)
>>Powershield/Perfect shield does NOT reflect projectiles
This should be a crime. Even CPUs did that in melee
Ok let's see. Smash 4 has how many characters? 60 by now? And the top 8 consists of 6 maybe 7 characters?
Melee's top 8 has:
Sheik (MAYBE if ice plays against hbox).
I was promised variety in smash 4. Guess i was lied to.
>he thinks L-canceling is a good thing
None of these are objective reasons for it being a bad game, you dumbass.
Argue all you want about it being boring competitively, but keep your opinions out of arguments about objectivity.
For real I can enjoy Melees fast paced gameplay it's hype, heavy execution based and cool to watch (Being flashy the reason half this shitposters only watch it for) and at the same time enjoy slower more read based gameplay of Snash 4. And I'm excited to see 64 because it's different and cool to see as well
But smash 4 IS melee, minus those 154 movement and gameplay options that make smash 4 such a bad game.
I could quite literally play Melee like i would Play smash 4. By ignoring those 154 said things and only doing the "basic" stuff. On the other hand, i can NOT play smash 4 like i would play melee.
>inb4 "but i can't play rosalina in melee which makes your argument pointless!"
Anyway, we didn't get melee + more characters, instead we got brawl + more characters minus tripping. Pretty cool.
Holy fuck, you're so petty it's sad. These are seriously the reasons why the game is shit? All I see is a couple of minor mechanics left out that make it not melee.
Jesus fuck, you autists are the worst aspect of the FGC. Go play melee in the corner and keep your shit opinions to yourself.
I'm hoping Axe makes it to finals.
Autismos having the smash argument for the first time
TEN MINUTES NIGGA
L cancelling is a shit mechanic because it does nothing but make the game slightly harder and way more input heavy.
But of course melee is perfect in every way so obviously you fucking retards wouldn't understand
A minor executional entry barrier that opens up EVERY character's combo game is better than the alternative of no one getting anything other than what they were incidentally blessed with by the devs, which are pittances of their and the game's potential.
Again, you're severely autistic and need to realise a game not playing like melee does not mean it's "trash"
Go back to the twitch chat with the rest of the armchair melee pros.
>tfw you like all Smash Bros
Feels good man
Oh, so you're just retarded. Okay I understand.
You have 7 whole frames to press the fucking L button before you hit the fucking ground you piece f fuck. If you can't do that, you should stop playing video games altogether because they clearly aren't for you. 7 Frames feel like a minute sometimes in melee.
L Canceling isn't even hard holy shit. Are you guys literally babies?
>Pressing one button results in broken hands
m2k just needs to go to a fucking doctor.
>That reply chain
You are so fucking autistic it's sad.
Reply to this please, keep confirming your disability
>Isai put in losers bracket by one of the Japs
You're getting old Isai, just get one more W for the fans though please
Well, Armada hasn't played Hbox with Peach in like 5 years so we don't know how it would be today.
Armada does have a special hate for Puff tho, he said on stream today. He literally got angry at Mew2king once for suggesting he would go Puff in teams when armada first started learning fox.
Anon, I really want to listen to you, but using the term tr4sh makes most of your arguements moot. No to mention you were probably the guy who made the "superior" melee only thread yesterday.
Melee fags are austistic desu
I don't ever see Sm4sh players being so massively insecure about their game that they feel the need to constantly shitpost about another game getting more attention.
>mfw the state of mangonation when nintendude beats mango in top 8
>I don't ever see Sm4sh players being so massively insecure about their game that they feel the need to constantly shitpost about another game getting more attention.
Have you seen this thread you're in?
>nintendude beats axe in grand finals
>>it does nothing but make the game slightly harder
You're fucking stupid as shit anon, I doubt you even know what L Canceling even is. Stop embarrassing yourself.
It's a little thing that separates casual players and people who are trying to get better. It's not hard to do in itself, but doing it with consistency is trying and takes weeks/months to get down.
>mfw melee fag
>mfw that thread got btfo
The funny thing is that there's this false dichotomy between reads-reactions where sm4sh is believed to necessarily be more read heavy because it's slower when melee encapsulates reading as much on the simple virtue of it being a smash game. Yomi is necessary in all these games.
Both games facilitate nuance and depth of interactions. Melee happens to do it faster and almost as a consequence more meaningfully t b h.
Despite not being able to jump cancel I actually really liked Fox's shine in Brawl. It was super quick to cancel(maybe 15-20 frames).
Totally acceptable for a slower paced title like that
Did you mean to link that post? Because if you're seriously considering that shitposting, you have to be one of the most thin skinned babby I've seen.
Look in this thread and once again like every other smash thread, someone mentions sm4sh and melee autists all get triggered and start compiling lists on why Smash 4 is satan
wasn't that thread where we discussed melee and smash 4 tournaments in the same thread with no shitposting great? i'm glad we share the community instead of treat them like separate games and discuss them separately.
I don't want to burst your bubble, but this goes both ways.
I go to various smash forums and such, this is literally the only place where the arguments are still going on. I assume it's because everyone goes into the same space at once.
Yesterday's threads were pretty good, by /v/ standards anyway. Here's hoping that today stays that way, even with the different top 8's happening at different times.
Reminder to literally IGNORE all shitposters, melee or sm4sh.
You could have just said you never played 64
Sounds like you're getting triggered over people criticizing Sm4sh friend.
Don't mention something if you don't want it picked apart, or learn to handle criticism instead of whining about it.
It serves as an executional barrier and opens up attack-block interactions. People can tilt or lightshield their shields to throw off l-cancel timings and attackers can respond with shield pokes or conditioning into grab into deeper yomis. Objectively speaking.
Most people can't articulate that here because the highlight of their smash play was going 1-2 in their arcadian in bumfuck nowhere.
I'm really dissapointed we couldn't get a 64 Analysis table. People don't get that 64 has a lot more going on than a touch of death.
Okay, so you're fine with me endlessly spamming
And then making fun of the completely imbalanced tierlist.
And then reposting autismking, calling all melee players autistic?
I mean, it is constructive by your standards ;^)
If anyone gets mad over people bashing melee they haven't been playing very long. Tr4sh on the other hand is a laughing stock and is actually impressive in how much worse it got from brawl.
Of course I know what L cancelling is. It's a button you press when landing an aerial that if you miss, you are dealt double landing lag.
It's not some miraculous mechanic that halves landing lag. It's an arbitrary input that gives another pointless gap to fuck up in.
And why is that a good thing? Why can't casuals and better players be separated by just their skills? It's meaningless.
Ah, that makes more sense. I can appreciate an executional barrier but if that's all it is then I wouldn't consider it too important. However, with the addition that the timing can be changed based upon the player interactions then I can see why it is good from a gameplay perspective.
I'm just talking about doing it consistently. I play Peach so I don't really have to worse about L-canceling because i have float-canceling. But every character has different physics so getting down the timing can take some time.
But you just did completely different things in no way related to that post.
You're fucking bonkers dude. It's like someone told you "2+2=4" and then you replied with "But red is a primary colour and purple isn't!"
What the fuck are you even doing.
Everyone should strive to be like Wizzrobe. Entered every Smash game in the tournament just for the love of the series, and managed to do well in all of them aside from being DQed in Smash 4.
Lowest of High-tier.
>I can't enjoy all the Fallout games for what they are because two happens to be better overall that the other
True autism this is why no one will ever take Fallout 2 seriously outside of Fallout 2 generals
>I can't enjoy skyrim because it's worse than other games
True autism amirite xDDDD
Except all the top players who would rather go back to brawl
Or how about literally everyone who dropped the game when they couldn't even dash dance? Smash 4s community consists of brawl players who begrudgingly moved on and casual 12 year olds who will lose interest over time. If melee tournaments like Genesis and others didn't support smash 4 it'd be beyond dead.
People nowadays don't want to work hard. The story of the young kid training to be the best there ever was doesn't mean shit when the skill floor is flattened so that 'anyone can compete with everyone' mechanically speaking.
I think you might be a tad retarded, so I'll spell it out this time.
To suggest that there's been "criticism" in these threads is retarded. It's mostly just shitposting, so for the guy I replied to to call it criticism, I'd assume he thinks shitposting is criticism. Hence, I guess he's alright with everyone else giving melee the same treatment.
I don't play 64 so I'm not really sure, but I'd imagine his shitty speed and air movement gets in the way of him being good. And getting easy kills isn't that big a deal in a game where everyone gets easy kills.