What parts of the original FF7 will be on the chopping block for the remake?
Everything you like will be censored, Tifa will have a flat chest, you can pay money to save Aerith, Yuffie and Vincent will no longer be optional, combat is going to be just mashing the attack button, Barret wears sunglasses and that's awful, Genesis will be a major character.
Have I covered all the shitposting this thread will inevitably devolve into?
One thing I would actually like them to change is Cait Sith, it would more sense if he was an actual sentient robot with AI that took orders from Reeve instead of just being a remote controlled doll that Reeve piloted through...VR, I guess? its never explained well. It would make his "sacrifice" at the temple of the ancients more impact than what we got originally where no one gave a shit because its just a remote controlled doll.
I want him to develop throughout the game until he's a hunky twunk by the end.
Tom of Finland is a well-known artist who did a lot of erotic art of beefcake men.
>tifa will have a flat chest
honestly, if the only reason you like a character is her bust size, she's probably not that great to begin with. and anyway, I don't see what's wrong with that. not everything about the original designs was gold. don't like it don't play it. remakes should differ drastically from the originals.
They can't be optional anymore, too many people who didn't actually play FF7 (so most of /v/) know Vincent & Yuffie from the spin offs & KH, so if they played FF7R they would be confused why they are not there
I DON'T KNOW
LET'S DISCUSS AND BITCH ABOUT THING WE DON'T KNOW WILL HAPPEN FOR THE FIFTIETH TIME
DO YOU -ACTUALLY THINK- NOMURA OR ANY SQUARE ENIX LACKEY AT ANY LEVEL IS LISTENING TO YOUR ANONYMOUS, UNINFORMED (not due to your ignorance, the data is just not available to the public) OPINION?!
Dude, Square will totall cave in to SJWs and feminists because they're filthy Jews who want to squeeze our money out of us with episodes and DLC while cutting out every part of the game they think is problematic or doesn't matter. Stop sucking their dicks so hard.
Tifa's tits have been shrunk more and more in every game since 7. They already said they're toning down and removing problematic material. There's no reason at all to make it episodic except to make up pay full price for four-hour-long sections of game. Golden Saucer will be removed and sold as DLC. There will be no slap fight because of SJWs.
good. things need to be adapted to modern sensibilities.
you want the "problematic" original, go play it. no one's taking it from you.
but things need to evolve and move on from that juvenile bullshit. let's hope aerith gets more backstory this time.
>Why not have a thread of the good things they can do in the remake?
That leads to disappointment.
With Square's track record we should expect the worse and be happily surprised when we get a few nice things each episode then pretend like we think it'll end up good.
They're about the same size in a different artstyle in relation to her head.
I'm down. She should be wrecking face.
I really hope that how she plays in a very beat em up way.
Thats my hope for the combat system, each character plays in a really unique way so youd want to use all of them.
>yet another retard who thinks the FMVs are the be-all end-all of what Tifa looks like
Those two FMVs were outsourced to a different company who fucked up the models. Try looking at the other 99% of the game, the official art, and everything else Tifa's been in.
>Tifa with thick legs
that's one of the minigames I hope they do cut. too ridiculous. and it happens like right after aeris dies. I don't want this stupid garbage when I'm trying to mourn. the original was so emotionally imbalanced.
motorcycle one should be fun though.
>Those two FMVs were outsourced to a different company
It was a different department, not a different company.
It was the same fags that made Spirits Within and bankrupted Squaresoft
Can any of you faggots explain, seriously and rationally, why you think they're going to make Tifa flat? Square doesn't give a shit about American SJWs and feminists, Tifa's had big tits in everything she's been in, and complaints about her died out years ago.
And I said rationally and seriously, "roflcopter Square sux" is neither.
Shrinking one picture proportionately to be the same size as the other for comparison purposes. dipshit. Not that difficult a concept, and since it's her tits to her body you tards want compared and confirmed, that's the best way to do it.
That's exactly what's so stupid about it. When Tifa has ridiculous proportions you can't just change her up to compare her with a version that has regular human proportions. They have to be compared as is. Extra long legs are hot anyway.
She's ranged from average to slightly big since the redesign to a realistic art style.
People would have preferred her cowtits from the original, which are now impossible in the new artstyle cos they would be ridiculous.
All the light hearted stuff because Cloud has been retconned as an emo faggot.
The first two because of the current climate of political correctness.
If it's going to be episodic, they'll probably remove the overworld and make it a linear piece of shit like modern Final Fantasy.
Answer the fucking quetion instead of dodging it.
Yet ANOTHER idiot who thinks the two FMVs made by people who fucked up the models are the canon portrayal and ignore the rest of the game, the official art, and every other godamned thing she's been in during the last twenty years.
>she's seen without it
No she isn't
>it's actually padding her.
That's not how padding works, you idiot. If you can see where the material is forms around the tits, then there's no padding unless it's coming from under a bra (and if you've seen the jiggle physics in AC, you'd know that Tifa either wears a very thin one or doesn't wear one at all.)
>a whole thread
It was more than just one. I wanted to consider myself about arguing about the changes in the breast sizes of a video game character from 1997 but the more threads there were the more it became clear that it's just too important of a discussion to pass up.
Well, let's see, since she doesn't change height or weight in different materials, adjusting the size of one picture to be the same height as another works to compare proportions. Nw do you understand?
>Well, let's see, since she doesn't change height or weight in different materials, adjusting the size of one picture to be the same height as another works to compare proportions.
That's even worse. She is the same height in both images despite the different proportions.
That's the whole key.
>Tifa's has big tits in everything she's been in
That's the thing, everyone claims she was flattened in everything else because she's properly proportioned and not a titty monster
>then why make him mandatory?
because if you make him optional he and yuffie will never have as much impact/dialogue as the rest of the cast. They'll do that thing where they add in a word in edgewise but the rest of the cast doesn't acknowledge their existence
>I doubt the developers would want to do four different versions of every cutscene they can appear in anyway.
Well they should. Different characters react to different situations differently. Having Barret in your party when Yuffie steals your materia is hilarious. If you don't have Yuffie in your party for Aeris' death then you're missing out.
Forgot my image.
Apparently it's been debunked as bullshit, but I don't know whether that's true or not. Here's the pic anyway.
What are people's opinions on its validity?
A lot of people are complaining about the game being split into parts but quite frankly there's no way we'd get that kind of thing otherwise.
'Course, there's no assurance we'll get it now. This IS Squeenix we're talking about.
I want to hear these lines voiced.
Tifa's body proportions are completely different in the original and later appearances. As such the only way to actually determine it is to physically measure them.
Why can't you just accept the fact that they increased her bust for Advent? It's the bustiest depiction of her so far, shouldn't you be happy?
Until the remake hits anyway, that'll probably increase again from AC size. I think that's already confirmed to be happening.
Because they are glorious
>Why can't you just accept the fact that they increased her bust for Advent?
Because the facts are that they didn't.
>referring me to a post that I replied to
Why would I have missed it if I replied to it?
Because they obviously didn't. And the remake is gonna be on the low scale as far as Tifa goes.
It's kinda silly how perfect Cloud was for Smash Bros. The Limit Breaks work nicely. He's iconic of video games. He's a good character design (distinctive hair, outfit, sword). He's fun.
They kinda are sentient robot AIs. Sort of. Hell, most of the time the Reeve you see in-game is the same fucking thing if DoC is to be believed. Most sources say Square didn't go with Reeve actually having his 'inspire' ability but I don't think any of the later material ever strictly refuted it.
What the fuck is wrong with her tits in this? That's not how tits jiggle. This has been bothering me since I was 12 years old, I never understood how so many of you got off to this.
The edge lord i am it wasn't until later play throughs i used Yuffie and the only time it really gripped me. She's only a kid.
A sexy kid
>Final Fantasy VII is being remade
>On Unreal Engine 4
>As an eventual multi-platform release
>Likely on PC
>As an episodic release due to cost constraints
>Parallel to this, Cloud was released in Smash, a Nintendo product on Nintendo platforms
I just want to point out what amazing fucking time it is to be alive and gaming.
>On Unreal Engine 4.
My only gripe. I had my doubts about Luminous before but it's really shaped up.
At least the environments will look stellar compsred to XV.
I spent forever trying to get in but I think it's just a rumour.
Vincent seems kinda dickish and cold here, but I'm trying to remember if you can find Lucrecia by this point. If not I imagine it would be giving too much away about his collective past with her and Hojo.
How do you... do episodic releases for an RPG? Are they going to lock you from grinding or something?
I can see a lot of people grinding for days before the new episodes come out, so they're all gonna be overpowered all the time.
>Vincent seems kinda dickish and cold here, but I'm trying to remember if you can find Lucrecia by this point
also one weird thing is that during Cloud's little break down near the Northern Crater, Hojo shows up. If Vincent's in your party he just silently listens to Hojo berate Cloud and then walk away. Seemed a bit out of character imo
>it's actually padding her.
Oh my god, this is why I hate it when guys try to talk about tits like they know how they work. That's not what "padding" looks like. When clothing layers enhance a woman's bust, they make it difficult to make out the curve. See >>324217116; Tifa's outfit in Advent Children is very tight around her torso in spite of the fact that she is wearing at least two layers, and you can see where her bust begins and ends as it moves on to her abdomen. That's not padding. If anything, it's restricting, and probably not very comfortable.
Based on her slender frame, Tifa's at least a G-Cup in Advent Children. If I could actually measure it, I could probably tell you her exact cup size
Except in 2014 Nomura drew Tifa's tits the biggest he's ever drawn them before
XVs environments already look better than 7R does, everything in XV looks better than 7R does, 7R looks like a PS3 game running on 8th gen engine, XV looks like 8th gen game running on an 8th gen engine
>m-muh in game!?
You do realize that the one on the right is her ingame portrait right? You do realize that the in game is based on the artwork right? You do realize that artwork of the man who fucking created her is the only 100% canon right?
It is 100% exact scaling you blind retard, are you fucking blind? Her head is scaled at the exact same size in every single image, proportion and scale is based on head size, this is such a basic fact of figure drawing that you have to be an absolute retard not to know this.
Just like her artwork for FF7 looks exactly like it does in-game right? or Dissidia, or any other appearance with 2D art?
We're talking about how she appears in 3D, in-game. Compared to previous appearances in 3D, she's gonna be nerfed, we can figure that out from the previous nerfings she's gotten
You know, you can just stop and grind like crazy at any given time in any other RPG too.
I'm not happy about the game being episodic, but this is the weirdest fucking complaint.
I think the point he was trying to make is that the '14 images appear to be what FF7R's character art direction is based off of. Still, who gives a fuck she'll be fine; this persistent goddamn meme is annoying as shit. Honestly I just want to know if she'll have some subtle bounce; Hell, same for Aeris, even if she's more about the hips/ass. My dick would be nonstop diamonds.
Yes her ingame artwork in FF7 is the same proportions as her in game battle model you fucking idiot, you clearly know fuck all about anything
You are so fucking retarded it hurts
G-Bike Tifa is the BIGGEST NOMURA HAS EVER DRAWN TIFA'S TITS
Are you fucking retarded? Do you not know what scale is? Do you not fucking know who Loomis is? Are you fucking underage? Kill youself you fucking faggot shit cunt nigger dick
They are the biggest but you cunts are seriously the most dumbest fucking retards in existence that it's outstanding this obvious shit even needs to be pointed out to you fucks
None of you faggots know anything about scale, about proportion, about figure drawing, about fucking tits for that matter
G-bike is the fucking biggest her tits have ever been as Drawn by Nomura, the man who created her
I've seen both the original and complete versions. There is no scene of her without the vest save for >>324220547, where her bust is 35cm at minimum...maybe even higher, based on the upward angle.
Stop talking shit.
Biggest Tifa tits in 3D
FF7 FMV> Ehrgiez>FF7AC>FF7 Battle Model>Dissidia>CrisisCore>KH2> FF7 Field Model
Biggest Tifa tits in 2D
G-bike Nomura Art >FF7 Nomura Art>Dissidia Nomura Art>CC Nomura Art
I'm...not trying to make a comparison? Her tits are huge, and it isn't the vest, which was the issue in question
No, huge. Those are the kind of boobs that a woman has to hold when she goes down the steps to be comfortable. Those are the kind of boobs that her father likely had to give her money to buy new bras for constantly when she was growing up, hoping to god she wasn't using it to buy drugs. Those are the kind of boobs where she likely considered reduction surgery for in a moment of frustration. I don't know how the fuck she does martial arts without a serious sports bra to keep them from bouncing all over the place.
just like the Dissida artwork looks exactly like her in-game model or her CG model right?
No, it's not. One, it's never a 1:1 transition (and that's not even art from the remake anyway), and two, she's been much bigger in 3D than that bit of artwork in the past, so it's nothing notable.
i wonder if you being a terrorist blowing up an electric plant will affect distribution or the rating, also will Cid recover his testosterone or become even more bishonen and will the Turks be bastards again or will be goofier like in AC
It may be 3 or 4 years from now but I can't wait until the entire first 3 pages are full of threads of how they neutered Cid when that "Episode" hits. They will not have the balls to get away with implying he's a wifebeater.
Yes if fucking is because the artwork is the entire fucking basis for her design.
>and two, she's been much bigger in 3D than that bit of artwork in the past, so it's nothing notable.
Get fucking wrecked cunt
G bike is even bigger than the FF7 FMVs even at the same fucking scale
No, the dissida in-game model is still pretty big. Not quite G-bike, but the lack of polygons probably doesn't help. D-cup at least.
Since I was 12 years old when I played this game, Christmas 1998, I have wanted rub my face in Tifa's chest
>it's literally never going to happen
No, it isn't, you for some reason scaled the giant cartoon head of her old model to be the same size as the realistic head of the artwork.
You're going to link that image that has nothing to do with this in response, but just for once, make an image that scales their torsos and shoulders to be the same. See how the tits hold up then.
Yes it fucking is you literal blind faggot
HEAD IS THE FUCKING BASIS OF SCALE AND PROPORTION
DO YOU NOT FUCKING KNOW LOOMIS
HEAD SIZE DETERMINES SCALE AND PROPORTION FOR THE ENTIRE BODY
THEREFORE YOU SCALE THE HEADSIZES TO GET THE CORRECT SCALE
HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU CUNTS ARE SO RETARDED
They can't top this ratio or even match it because of the change from cartoon to realism.
That does not apply when measuring a woman's tits. Do you think when women walk into Victoria's Secret the clerk starts measuring their head and says "Well according to this head measurement chart you do not have a giant cartoon head, so a 32C it is"?
>Top of head matches top of head
>Eye meets eye
>Ear meets ear
Bottom of G Bike is the middle of FF7 FMV.
>Chin meets chin
>And then Gbike Tifa has bigger tits than FF7 Tifa
Congratulations, a drawing looks different to a model which has different proportions and perspective.
Literal retard, or troll. Maybe both.
he's going to call you dumb now, and claim you are underage and simply don't understand his complex scaling
unfortunately we're solely talking about her tits
tits are not measured using the head
the head never plays any role in the measurement of said tits
much like they don't measure your ears when trying to find your shoe size, they do not in fact measure your head in order to figure out how big the tits on your chest at
I understand it would be impossible to do this size ratio in realistic rendering without it becoming a farce.
But it still stings.
You clearly fucking don't, the discussion is about her tits, to determine that you have to compare her across different games, to do that you have to use the determine factor for scale and proportion, which is the fucking head, therefore you scale the head to match between each comparison and from that you get which one is the biggest
G bike is factually the fucking biggest.
Fuck off you literal clueless faggot, you cannot be more of a fucking retard if you tried, you have no fucking clue how to compare anything and are in immense denial about facts
Torso does not fucking matter, nothing else matters BESIDES HEAD
BECAUSE HEAD IS WHAT DETERMINES SCALE AND PROPORTION
If you wanted to compare by Torso then the fucking chibi Field model from FF7 would end up the biggest, are you really that fucking retarded? You clearly know literally nothing about anything
>unfortunately we're solely talking about her tits
Unfortunately you don't fucking get that the only way to accurately get the sizes is by comparing the entire fucking body, in order to do that you have to use the basis for scale to determine how each is being compared, the basis for scale is and always fucking will be the head
You are so fucking retarded it hurts
>>Unfortunately you don't fucking get that the only way to accurately get the sizes is by comparing the entire fucking body,
>>If you wanted to compare by Torso then the fucking chibi Field model from FF7 would end up the bigges
No it wouldn't, actually. They are more in proportion there than in those >>324231476
Direct comparisons are worthless across completely different art styles.
You want to know which is bigger?
Measure them individually as you would any female's tits, and see which ends up with the bigger bra needed.
Hint, it will be the cartoon one with non-realistic proportions.
Maybe if you spent less time being a clueless faggot and actually learned a single fucking thing about scale and proportion then no one would need to repeatedly tell you these things
>STILL DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING CONCEPT THAT WE ARE COMPARING FUCKING BODY BETWEEN DIFFERENT GAMES AND THAT HEAD IS THE ONLY MEASUREMENT FOR PROPORTION AND SCALE THAT DETERMINES HOW TO COMPARE THEM BY
Jesus fucking christ you are literally fucking retarded, you cannot be more fucking retarded
Head determines scale and proportion
Your image about bra sizes has nothing to do with anything because it's completely fucking irrelevant, she is drawn in different styles but with the same body measurements drawn in different styles
Just like Tifa drawn in Chibi and Tifa drawn in realistic, they are two different artstyle representing the same thing even if one has realistic proportion and one has chibi cartoon proportions, that is irrelevant, you don't fucking get this because you know nothing about scale or proportion
The only way to compare accurate scale and proportion is by the head size, this and always fucking will be a downright fact, you know nothing about Loomis so get the fuck out of this thread already
No they aren't, because you can easily do them by using head scaling which is what determines the entire scale and proportion in the first place
>Measure them individually as you would any female's tits
This is meaningless and is completely irrelevant to anything because the artstyle is drawing the same actual sizes in different proportions based on the artstyle itself, the fuck don't you get about this?
>No they aren't, because you can easily do them by using head scaling which is what determines the entire scale and proportion in the first place
And is completely useless for what we are trying to prove/disprove here.
Go on, humor me, do one comparison where they are not scaled to the head, but are scaled to the torso instead. Do it with >>324231296 and see what happens.
Don't rant and rave about how I don't get it, just prove me right or wrong with one comparison scaled to the body, not the head.
>We're not comparing the body.
YES WE FUCKING ARE
THAT IS THE ONLY VALID FUCKING WAY TO EVEN COMPARE HER BOOBS YOU FUCKING RETARD
HOW CAN YOU BE THIS FUCKING CLUELESS?
>And is completely useless for what we are trying to prove/disprove here.
No it is the only 100% valid way to prove anything
Even doing it your retarded fucking way makes NO FUCKING SENSE
Look how fucking massive her head gets, that makes 0 fucking sense, FMV Tifa becomes a fucking giant mutant, you can't fucking compare anything this way and even when you do it this way it STILL makes G Bike Tifa bigger because proportionally her tits are still bigger in relation to the rest of her body
That is why you have to use the basis for scale and proportion, which is the fucking head to get a valid comparison, and in that comparison it shows that GBike Tifa has bigger tits than FF7 Tifa on a fair fucking comparison
Either way GBike Tifa has the biggest tits
You have no fucking clue what the argument is or how to even make a valid comparison
Even doing it your retarded fucking way here >>324232789 still results in GBike Tifa with bigger tits you dumb fuck
Hell no, you got it hugely wrong.
There was a big downgrade between the FF7 cutscenes and Advent Children.
Nice cherrypicked bullshit image using two completely different angles and viewpoints
I've never played FF7 and don't know much about the series, but since FF7 came out on 3 different discs, why is this surprising? Or are they planning on doing Part I, then Part II at a later date? If so, fuck that. I'd rather wait for a "complete" edition.
Why the fuck would you assume it would need to come out in parts because it had multiple discs? the game is about 20 hours long
I didn't give that much of a shit about FF7 the first time around, I didn't give one iota of shit for the other games in theFF7 mythos, I thought Advent Children was pointless.
Since this remake will be episodic to accommodate a bunch of shit that has no value, I guess I won't be touching this game.
>FF7 came out on 3 different discs, why is this surprising?
Anon, technology has progressed immensely since then. Those 3 disc's fit comfortably into a bluray, with 98% storage left over for literally anything else.
It's just a jew ploy like when a newly released anime comes out with 12 2 episode volume's, priced at $60 each
That's a pretty good point.
In properly released games, the only thing stopping players from grinding eternally is the fact that it would be way more interesting to just continue with the story events.
If you take away that option probably 50% of players will be endgame level by the beginning of the third episode.
Talk to me about Final Fantasy 7. What's the point of it? Doesn't it come out next year? Since it's episodic, what happens if I beat the first one and the second one isn't out yet?
About the same. Nomura is the one that set Tifa's measurements in the first place so whenever he draws her or oversees her in-universe model she tends to have approx. 35cm bust.
I'm more worried about that Roberto Ferrari guy and the ideas he might have for Tifa. Nomura knows what he's doing, when he oversees character appearance. Ferrari only did Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge, but Nomura is the only one I trust with Tifa.
>Tifa has no personality. At least tifa is sympathetic and warm to the player.
It's also something a person with actual breasts not only agrees with, but has also experienced.
You're some internet retard who clearly has no experience with breasts trying to push some idea that AC Tifa, who demonstrably has enormous breasts, has small breasts.
They even have that uncomfortable flappy bounce when she runs, which makes me thing she think she doesn't exactly bother with a bra, given her two tight layers.
Again, stop talking shit.
I don't know what FMV tifa has on her chest, but they are not breasts by any measure. Breasts of that size do not float like that nor do they move as if they have individual sentience or prehensibility
Yeah... all of Square's actions.
The graphics aren't that primitive. Other games around the time period managed to have more believable breasts in their CG renders. Square's CG department just didn't really look at a pair of breasts before animating.
>tifas tits shrunk
>aeris will be stong woman who don't need no man
>cloud will be AC emo cloud
>cid will be progressive feminist
>Red XIII will be a genderfluid genderqueer xe
>barrets blackness will be toned down
where were you when ff7 was kill
It's going to be really hard to not play for months. Just play through part 1 and never touch it again until part 2 even though it's a game people have waited decades for? This complaint is not weird at all. S-E has five options to combat this and all of them are bad unless they publicly announce what they intend to do beforehand.
1. You shouldn't have grinded at all, now everything is too easy and you're permanently overpowered in part 2 and you know how the high level spells and abilities look like of the Materia you've been allowed to gather thus far.
2. You should have grinded to max level that is now raised and everything kicks your ass in part 2 now.
3. Your level is story capped like in XIII-1. Now you can't have a wacky replay where you one shot Midgar Zolom with a Meteorain. Instead every experience is the same.
4. Monsters scale with you like in VIII. Meaning that doing combat is pointless.
5. Your levels are reset at every part. Meaning that everything is pointless and you have already seen all the cool endgame abilities or each part has the characters with completely different combat styles.
Luckily I didn't want a remake and will only play the complete finished product when it's released in the future, if even that.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY MADE COKE 2 LITER BOTTLES SMALLER THAN PEPSI 2 LITER BOTTLES! THEY BOTH USED TO BE THE SAME BIG!
The saddest thing is that i can imagine the edge kids and landwhales groaning and moaning that it was a good thing to censor and revision the game for the "next-gen" demographic, and /v/, like the little cucks you are, will eat it balls deep.
Such sad times to be living in
People who will claim to buy it are people who have heard how popular the original was and want to flex their nerd cred.
>FF7? Oh yeah, a total classic. Of course I've preordered the remake, what kind of geek would I be if I didn't?
These are the same people that made fun of you for playing a JRPG 19 years ago.
I think it's where you fight this bad boy. Although it's been years since I played.
>aeris will be stong woman who don't need no man
I'll take this over the wallflower, pure, scared of the sky, girl they will claim she always was instead of a the street-smart shrewd businesswoman.
>where were you when ff7 was kill
Playing the first Laguna flashback and realizing that Squall was what Square saw Cloud and his game as. (I didn't know about VI at the time.) People say people hate VIII for not being VII, but I hated it for being VII instead of its own thing. Well that was my first half of the first disc response at the time.
I'm not really sure, which part you're disagreeing with, so I'm going to treat it like you disagreed with everything.
Aeris definitely knew her way around the slums and charged differing rates based on her clients. She knew who wouldn't know better than to pay more.
VIII was VII again (at the start). The first major set piece (major as in Dollet) is a dangerous mission with high octane action and a run away sequence. Squall is a stoic cool guy, that has bouts of unconsciousness and is a mercenary with amnesia. He's just the no fun allowed, sarcastic, aggressive, inwardly (never outwardly) whiny, mission and work only side of Cloud without his humor and warmth. That's why I said it killed VII, because it showed how they viewed Cloud. When AC came out, my hypothesis was proven true.
Well that's the first half of the first disc + amnesia from the end side of the second disc.
(The latter half of VIII is something else horrid, all on its own. I still hate VIII with an irrational passion, the most in the series, but that's irrelevant to the point of this conversation.)