Why are we still talking about Nintendo over here? Nintendo talk should be moved to /vr/, since they haven't been relevant for so long. After E3 2008, I don't know how anyone could call themselves a Nintendo fan.
>>323803689 We are not children are we? When localisers affect their work with the preferences and sensibilities of their audience in mind, they are practising self-censorship. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/self-censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship I don't know why you dislike this conclusion so much, is it disadvantageous to you in some way?
>>323804323 Which is why loli is banned in most of the world including many US states?
>>323804384 I don't like bad translations or censorship and I'm not trying to justify it. It's just and explanation. It'd have been far better if NoE did the translations and if the US (and the entire west really) got over its fear of sexuality.
>>323803962 >I don't know why you dislike this conclusion so much, is it disadvantageous to you in some way? What is censorship and what is bad business practices is the divide in my opinion.
A 1:1 transliteration of every word is impossible. At some level, things are going to get changed. To that end, what is acceptable to what can be changed and what can't is going to be the divisive issue, and you have to put something a bit more clear down, in my opinion. A change made to sell is one thing. A change made because it is deemed immoral or offensive is quite the other.
Sometimes there's overlap and the issue becomes really muddy and ugly. This is happening lately due to shifting demographics. A more responsible answer it to look hard and closely at the definition and make sure we aren't changing or removing art assets due to perceived offense or immorality. I.E. god of war comes to mind immediately.
Pardon me if earlier I came off as abrasive. I didn't think you were going to engage.
>>323804716 >A change made to sell is one thing. A change made because it is deemed immoral or offensive is quite the other They are both inexcusable and it's a slippery slope to say "we changed the game to sell more!" because "selling more" often involves attaining a lower ESRB rating which involves removing immoral content. And taking something out so parents are more comfortable buying for their kids is also done to "sell more". So no changes should be made. The only good translation is one that is as faithful to the Japanese as humanly possible.
>>323805187 Just learn Japanese already, anon. Nobody wants to keep looking up references and proverbs that only Japanese will understand. And if you're the same guy that was bitching about Lin's English VA being lower pitched, I prefer that voice way more to the squeaky Japanese one, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
>>323805609 Localising phrases and localising outfits are both forms of self-censorship. One is localisation I like, one is localisation I dislike. But I don't think we should be calling one "censorship" and saying "oh, that's just localisation" for the other, just to be more emotive.
>>323805609 >What does this have to do with cutting sexy costumes out of games? Is writing art? Rhetorical. It is. So if you modify the writing of a game, you are altering its art. Translating or localizing a game alters its art on some level.
>>323805992 In the US/Europe, black and brown girls are more likely to pick up the game, so the localizers changed some of the skin tones so that any potential players didn't get the impression that only white people can be pretty/fashionable.
>>323805857 They are separate issues. Some Japanese phrases do not accurately translate into English. This is correct. All Japanese costumes translate into English, they are costumes, they aren't constrained by language.
>>323807001 >Some Japanese phrases do not accurately translate into English This is an issue of culture, the phrase can be translated literally, but a localiser could reckon that most players will not understand due to not being familiar with Japanese culture (and the proverbs often used in that culture). >they aren't constrained by language They could however, clash with the culture of the country it is being brought to. A localiser could reckon that most players will find the costume tacky/distasteful due to not being familiar with Japanese culture (and the lax attitudes towards skin).
You could easily say: "I play Japanese games specifically because I enjoy that culture". But the assessment of whether people like ourselves are the majority of the market for the game is down to the localiser, not to us.
-stop paying localization companies by amount of changed content or they'll go crazy making all kinds of modifications (backing them up with bullshit excuses like "it's offensive in the target culture") in order to get more shekels
-stop the americans from being faggots and not be scared by tits
the first two are the ones that actually matter (money always wins over culture "morality" and politics) with the first being the only one where random people like the anons here can actually make the difference
>>323807589 This explains it well with the first problem being a language issue and the second problem being a censorship issue. Changing something because you don't like it is exactly what censorship is. Assuming your customers also don't like it is just plain retarded. I'm not Japanese but that doesn't mean I hate their culture.
>>323807775 >being a language issue and the second problem being a censorship issue They are both essentially self-censorship in order to sell a game more. One is a change that I am okay with, one is a change that I dislike. To call the costume-based one "censorship" because you don't like it and not the other is a bit underhanded. >Assuming your customers also don't like it is just plain retarded You are making a pretty big assumption yourself with that "also". What if the localiser quite likes pantyshots but removes them from a game to achieve a lower rating to sell more? Is "localisation" synonymous with "habitual moral outrage" to you? It shouldn't be.
>>323808338 Altering the text because of language impossibilities isn't censorship. If anyone translated いただきます as "I receive it." that would be completely stupid. There's a reason they use "Let's eat" or "Rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub" instead. Japanese and English need creativity to translate, one is a high context language and one is a low context language. It's impossible for even the best translator to 100% accurately translate it.
>>323798970 This, at least for America, we're a friggin melding pot of cultures and races with different, conflicting beliefs, founded by the right to choose follow what we believe in. We really shouldn't have "what is and what isn't okay" set of guide lines, not one so strict and intolerant of foreigner customs, especially if they are got incourage you to accept foreigner customs in like every other form of media
>>323808583 NISA is still alive and set up 2 sister companies, Idea Factory International and Actill. Actill handles localizations for various Koei Tecmo games while double dipping and setting up contracts for NISA to sell Limited Editions. /v/ still gives money to NISA and was shilling Rodea the Sky Soldier along with the upcoming Disgaea PC pretty damn hard.
In fact releasing broken games and refusing to do recalls has also been working for them. At least SNK playmore had the decency to recall SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters DS when they released a game you can't progress in.
>>323819551 >i dont care about this thing. why do other people care about it? full retard also this >>323819684 anon is spot on, it takes a long time to get the materials to craft the armor multicultarism is only good when its from a culture they approve of, apparently
>>323819640 >>323819684 I can understand that part, but I don't really understand how anyone can (unironically) care how lewd their armor looks to begin with, seriously if you wanted lewds there's an entire internet to explore for it.
>>323798709 You can't. Unless you think every country will have similar ideas regarding sex and violence being allowed for a specific audience. Better to just get the original version and learn a new language, becuase censorship will not stop anytime soon
Also >forgetting every Sony, microsoft, Valve, and any Western game localized for Japan that all get censored as well
>>323819360 You see more at a pool or beach, who thought that teenagers and adults shouldn't see this? As for the underage character, same shit, teenage girls also wear bikinis at the beach, we all see this throughout our lives from when we are children to adults but it somehow becomes too much of an issue in a videogame? I don't understand these puritans. >>323817586 I've always wondered what kind of man can be with such a condescending woman that sees men in such a way, why? When there are so many other women that won't.
>>323820104 >You see more at a pool or beach, who thought that teenagers and adults shouldn't see this? yeah it really doesnt make much sense, especially since Irina, Elma and all of the female characters besides Lin are in their 20s.
>>323819551 Dialogue changes, costume removals and changes, why would you think that people being upset is ironic? Honestly. You see people complaining about the removal of skimpy clothes or boobs, because thats the biggest things currently being censored. But allowing those to be censored just makes it that much more likely that MORE things will be censored. Things you might care about. The rating system exist. Inform people whats in the game. If they think its not for them they can move on or choose not to use it. But to deny them the option? Why? Because its against your morals? What if its not against theirs?
>>323820104 I really dont understand it either. I also don't understand how she doesn't realize that she's being a massive hypocrite. Her pinned tweet is saying that everyone should practice femininity positivity, while she's simultaneously shaming men who want to be masculine. It takes some serious cognitive dissonance to pull that off. Her husband is a literal cuck, btw. They're in a "polyamorous" relationship. She tweets all the time about how she's sleeping over at other guys' houses.
>>323819859 Tell that to NoA and why they bothered to change it in the first place. The conversation should start with addressing what they did and why and work from there, instead of backwards at the end and act like only they care about this when, the fact that the change occurred is proof that other care enough too.
let me clarify, as I think your reading comprehension missed it. I get how the censorship is unjust, and ergo objectively a bad thing, but I fail to see how it warrants this much butthurt over it. Heck, there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing.
>>323820197 >muh slippery slope fallacy As far as I'm aware the reason for the censorship was simple: they wanted to keep the age-ranting lower in the west to broaden the appeal, I highly doubt any future censorship would go much further than we've seen here due to this reason.
>>323820275 >Dialogue changes okay now this aspect I didn't even know about as everyone cries over the fact they can't put Lyn in a skimpy bikini, what was changed in the dialogue? Anything major?
Also nice application of the slippery slope fallacy again (see above)
>>323820589 >Heck, there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing. If there are other costumes that are just as revealing or more, why bother censoring it in the first place? NoA should be the one answering these questions.
>>323820589 >I fail to see how Because you're autistic I don't care about fighting games, but if one day they were banned because beating up people is bad I wouldn't go >why are you butthurt about this? Who cares about fighting games? I don't so nobody can
>>323820589 >I get how the censorship is unjust, and ergo objectively a bad thing, but I fail to see how it warrants this much butthurt over it. Heck, there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing.
Anons here act like this is the worst change to the game, when the apparent dialogue changes (that I've never seen fucking mentioned in these threads even though I try asking every time) sound like they'd have more impact to the actual game.
I'm not saying you're wrong, as I don't much care for the costume censorship, it's a minor bummer for me at most (I can just lookup what they'd look like, it's just an outfit afterall and has no impact on gameplay/story)
>>323820589 its a slippery slope. Also didn't NOA state that the only ones interested in game would already get it?
If you don't understand how niche these games are in the age we are living in, they are so niche that no one other than fans of jrpgs are buying them. A random guy will not pick this game up, hell they have not even picked up a Wii U.
FF15 has more market appeal than this game would ever have.
>>323820907 >>323820104 She's also the one who compiles "harassing" comments towards her from 4chan and other sites and copy/pastes them into a google doc and posts it on twitter to prove that women get more hate online. Keep in mind that she doesn't screenshot or provide the source for these comments, so for all we know she could just be making these up herself and then posting it online.
>>323820589 Religious references changes / removed (though not all), Doll (the mechs) changed to Skell, a few other small things I forget. Theres a few memes I've seen in the game as well about "do you even lift?" and such. I can't recall it all off the top of my head. I don't think it takes the story in any different direction or gives it new meaning, but its still fucking stupid and infuriating. Add this on top of costume censorship and its just ridiculous.
I also forgot they omitted the breast slider character customization option. Like really? They are deleting parts of character customization because someone what? Might make a big breasted character? Or does Nintendo just think breasts are a one size type of deal IRL?
Also in regards with >they wanted to keep the age-ranting lower in the west to broaden the appeal, I highly doubt any future censorship would go much further than we've seen here due to this reason.
Its highly unlikely that the costume would bump the age rating up. Other characters use these costumes with the exception of the ones that were completely deleted, and even those don't show much more skin, if anymore at all.
And if you want to talk about future censorship then consider Fatal Frame. Regardless of what you think of the game itself, good or bad, why did they censor that then? And they did blatantly censor it. This game was rated M for the get go. It didn't even drop in rating after its censorship. A game targeted at adults, censored because they don't want those adults to look at pixel boobs on a screen.
Sorry if you don't agree with me mate. If you think Nintendo's censorship is a good thing then more power to you, keep buying their games. I however skipped Fatal Frame over it, I skipped Xenoblade Chronicles X over it, I'll skip Fire Emblem Fates over it as well should they choose to censor it, and any future games they continue to shove some censorship onto. I'm already dearly afraid for Bravely Default 2 as well.
>>323817586 This bitch is legitimately insane. During christmas she kept sharing this list of things that she wanted people to buy for her on twitter (like donors to her streams and stuff) and one time some random tweeted at her saying it was childish to ask people to buy her shit like that. She then went on some passive aggressive rant for several tweets (not tweeting at him, just in general) saying things like "ohh well its christmas but everybody remember ITS CHILDISH TO ASK PEOPLE TO BUY YOU THINGS" and other tripe like that. Like, anyone who's a professional would know that you just ignore hecklers. But no, she has to go on some immature butthurt rant and prove the guy right in the process. How the fuck do people like her get hired by anyone?
>>323798913 >B) Rally against the laws in your country that are forcing the localisation team to do this This is retarded since the censorship is mainly to cater for Western cultural norms. The mainstream audience that Nintendo is appealing to don't care about the censorship, and in fact fully welcome it. Until you change that mindset, then localization teams will continue doing this. And being angry about it on forums like this and nichegamer aren't going to change shit, because you're a niche audience.
>>323818932 >learn nippon and import >doesn't even know that Chronicles X was censored when they penned the script to get a lower CERO rating
So you support japanese censorship, good to know. Did you really think going full german and having all the humans as robots, removing blood entirely, and NPC deaths done out of frame was a stylistic choice?
As it stands, this assertion can neither be proven or disproven, so I don't know why so many anons here assume this stance given that, by nature, they can't at all know if censorship will get worse or better. It's possible that the negative reaction online could reduce censorship in future, but it's just as possible the reverse could happen
>>323821560 Okay, so why are people in these threads focusing on 'muh skimpy outfits' instead of this? As this does sound pretty bullshit (assuming it's true) and I can't see the justification for most of it, jesus christ is /v/ just full of thirsty perverts?
Oh well, not like there's anything you can really do about it - choices are to ignore the game completely (which, if the rest of the content is sound, you probably don't want to do), or learn Japanese.
>If you think Nintendo's censorship is a good thing then more power to you what? I never at all said this, it wasn't even implied by my posts in the slightest.
As a side note I'm unaware of the Fatal Frame censorship as I've no interest in the series.
>>323821231 Its the time of the internet so its more easy to spot this shit.
Also, its already bad since its a niche game and when you drive a small percentage of a potential consumer from that niche game, because of puritan values of certain companies and translation houses, its not only a bad idea. Do you think they will get more consumers?
>>323822221 >Did you really think going full german and having all the humans as robots, way to prove you didn't play the game. Humans being Mims is a major plot point, not some afterthought. Humans being robots is also a consistent them across many xeno games, dumb fuck.
>>323822253 >so what are you thoughts on: >>there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing. Not that guy but if they are more revealing outfits, why censor the fundoshi in the first place? NoA needs to be the one to answer these questions, not working backwards. They clearly cared about it enough to censor it.
>>323821387 actually, yes. yes it is. content creator dictates all terms and conditions of its own content. you cant argue that the makers of hatred can do whatever they hell they want, then turn around and tell some other company they cant. cant have it both ways. again, if censorship is always bad, why arnt you arguing for ponies and pol to be allowed on /v/? thats...censorship, isnt it?
>>323822253 Other people (not necessarily me, i don't even have a Wii U yet) want all the skimpy costumes, not just some. If the devs put them in the game, I would want to have them all. Nobody should have the right to choose what I can or can't see and enjoy (as long as it's legal I guess).
>>323822527 So let me get this straight, Nintendo censors their games because they are a family friendly company, but their employees representing them on twitter can post whatever explicit garbage they feel like?
And ponies are allowed here, otherwise we wouldn't have Nintenbronies like you who defend your cuckmasters over every fuck up they make.
>>323822709 Yeah, I get that, I was only saying I didn't see why this was (and still is) always the focus when the censored dialogue and changed to religious aspects of the game seem far more important* with regards to how it impacts the game.
*in the sense they impact the actual story of the game, as opposed to costumes which are purely cosmetic (and generally unnoticeable during gameplay, you'd only get a closer look at them as you put them on)
>>323822869 yeap. they sure make some shittttty decisions, nintendo, decisions they are completely allowed to make. since we agree, what else should we talk about?
>>323822978 its the owner of something, dictating what is, or isnt done with their own product. censorship, apparently, inline with our current discussion. if moot or hiroshima is allowed to do it, why isnt nintendo?
>Its the time of the internet so its more easy to spot this shit.
If anything, censorship should've been more widespread back in the day since random autists couldn't comb the internet just to find reasons to shit on overall decent games.
You just proved that your argument has no merit, good job fag.
>Also, its already bad since its a niche game and when you drive a small percentage of a potential consumer from that niche game, because of puritan values of certain companies and translation houses, its not only a bad idea.
Games will always market themselves towards the group that offers the most money, even if the number of people who'll actually buy it is much less than the number of people who were fans from the start.
It's a sad state of affairs but if a company believes that they could earn 2 sales as opposed to 1, that's enough reason for them to continue doing what they're doing.
>Do you think they will get more consumers?
If it's the difference between earning 50k sales from 100k potentials and earning 50k sales from a million potential customers, it's enough of a risk for most customers to take, especially if they market it correctly, which most games that "flopped" suffered from.
Nobody cares if an outfit or two got removed but most people aren't going to buy anything that they don't even know about, which is why games like fatal frame and #FE are flopping as hard as they were.
Don't believe me? How many commercials for them have you seen on television or online?
>>323823019 they didn't really change any religious aspects. MS stated before release that this wouldn't have as grand themes as previous games, and the religious stuff like the Bringer of Miracles sidequest and Hope's dialogue is still there the costumes that were censored (aside from lin of course) were only changed because of the prudish feminists at NoA.
>Chinese government censors all news about workers' struggle in China LOL WHO CARES >The state of Israel covers up all news about the genocide going on in Gaza and the West Bank LOL WHO CARES >French government censors all news about military intervention in Mali, in addition to banning public gatherings LOL WHO CARES >EU governments, along with Frontex and Europol, silence journalists trying to get pictures of the inside of refugee concentration camps LOL WHO CARES
>a computer-rendered ass is covered by a computer-rendered piece of cloth that's 50 pixels longer CENSORSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
She is wrong about everything other than pointing out than the bit about how men aren't being opressed when they are told they can't do feminine things. Men are told they can't do feminine things because feminine things are considered inferior by society. She is right. If a man lower himself to the level of a woman by doing feminine things he is devaluing himself.
>>323821969 It says honorable mention next to the ones that aren't actually censored. Notice those tend to be at the top in in 2012 before it started getting big, and as it goes on it turns to actual censorship. Weird how that seems to be huh?
>Okay, so why are people in these threads focusing on 'muh skimpy outfits' instead of this?
Because Skimpy clothes and "sexual content" are the things most often censored. You notice how that image almost solely revolves around sexual content? Thats what people are flipping out over and getting pissed about, thus resulting in the censorship of it too.
People do get upset about dialogue and story changes as well. Though nearly anytime its brought up in Fire Emblem threads for its potential and previous censorship in Awakening people constantly bring up the dialogue changes. And while the story doesn't change drastically from these things, it does changes the way people see some characters. To the point where apparently there is a translation patch in progress from what I hear, but I don't know too much about it.
And trust me dialogue changes piss me off too. To be frank the name change from "Doll" to "Skell" probably bothered me far more than it really should have. Imo, censorship is bad. And it just so happens that Tits and Ass are the current major targets of censorship.
>I'm unaware of the Fatal Frame censorship as I've no interest in the series.
There was some skimpy costumes that you could choose to wear after completing certain points in the game, or even finishing it. One is a costume used in a cut scene in the game as the MC used to be a gravure model (Young bikini models basically, maybe slightly more risque) and is ashamed of it, thus fitting some of the games themes. Not only was the optional costume removed from the selection of players, but also from the cutscene she is modeling in. While the story could still make sense without it, its just very odd to see.
>>323823790 feminine stuff isn't considered inferior by society anymore. Its not fucking 1950. Stuff like the "run like a girl" commercial from the superbowl last year gets universal praise. Women aren't considered inferior. Also, the people who considered feminine men inferior or "not real men" are mostly women. pic related.
>>323823708 >>323823878 >>Chinese government censors all news about workers' struggle in China >LOL WHO CARES We aren't Chinese and aren't living in China.
>>The state of Israel covers up all news about the genocide going on in Gaza and the West Bank >LOL WHO CARES We aren't Israeli and aren't living in Israel
>French government censors all news about military intervention in Mali, in addition to banning public gatherings >LOL WHO CARES We aren't French and aren't living in France (Most of us) > >EU governments, along with Frontex and Europol, silence journalists trying to get pictures of the inside of refugee concentration camps >LOL WHO CARES Now since you've hit Europe where a lot of us are from I can finally tell you that this is a video game board, where we talk about video games and the video games industry. Would you like to know whats not video games??
As an aside, most of us probably do care when things other than games are censored. I know I do, but I can't fight battles for the Chinese against their government. I'm not from Chinese and I don't live in China.
>>323824472 oh thanks for agreeing. content creators can dictate whatever they want with their own content. if they change it to appeal to a larger demographic, like, /v/ being a safe for work board ( to appeal to a larger demographic ) , they can
>>323824806 neither does not actually disputing the argument. >>323824912 neither does not actually disputing the argument. >>323824924 so its not okay, cept when it is okay >>323824995 neither did hiroshima, which is why i mentioned him. ownership, or the right to change shit, was handed to him, like ownership/right to change shit, was handed to NoA
The thing is, we don't live in those countries. "Standing in solidarity" does zip unless those people stand up themselves. Their governments sure as fuck don't give a shit what some vidya fags in the U.S., Canada, and Britain think about their policies. Posting your faggot opinion on 4chan and twitter does nothing either. You're not helping, you're just shitting up the internet because you probably disagree and want to censor vidya ass, but want to distract from that by saying we should all be focusing on something "more important."
If that was the case, we'd all have to be focusing on more important issues than whatever we're arguing about, because the most important issues, like why we're here on earth or what are we doing, will trump all other issues.
If you want to talk fallacies, your entire argument is one. It's a fallacy of relative privation.
>>323824674 I know, I was just being facetious as to point out those that do care about the actual issue at hand as opposed to those that are just here to shitpost.
The costume censorship just doesn't fucking matter, it may matter to you personally if you were that desperate to ogle at the characters in skimpy clothing, but changes to dialogue or story and gameplay (or at least interactive elements) would matter, yet go unmentioned in these threads; funny, that.
>>323824907 if you want to play the game what's the alternative?
>>323825073 >, cept when it is okay No one said it was okay. The VIDEO GAMES board isn't the place to discuss things unrelated to video games, like worker's rights in china. I can tell you're just shitposting and baiting now.
>>323798709 >business makes decision about game that it thinks will increase sales in another region >CENSORSHIP FUCKING SJWs FUCKING FEMINISTS do you realise how stupid this is? to nintendo and other big Game corporations, games are not Art, they are not messages about a topic
they are products. that have sales targets, that have hundreds of staff to keep hired.
games are going to be censored as long as they cost money to make.
>>323825158 >The costume censorship just doesn't fucking matter It doesn't matter to you. >but changes to dialogue or story and gameplay (or at least interactive elements) would matter, yet go unmentioned in these threads; funny, that. Maybe because....there went any changes to dialogue or gameplay? Aside from shit like Dolls to Skells, which is annoying at best. Also, there are people complaining about name changes in this very thread dumb fuck.
>>323825358 they can decide whatever they want. We're free to discuss the changes and call the changes what they are: fucking retarded. All of your posts are literally "STOP CARING ABOUT THINGS I DONT CARE ABOUT"
>>323825158 >>323825419 to add on to this, the FE Fates amie thing has a chance of being removed, and you can bet your ass that people will be complaining about it if its removed. Hell, some people are already worried about it being removed.
You see that way, I see it that if there's no reason to care (i.e., if the censorship doesn't impact anything relevant to gameplay/story), why should I care at all? Do you expect me to throw a fit over the lack of 2 specific skimpy outfits when (1) others are available; and (2) I didn't care about them in the first place...?
All these threads are a fucking joke I swear, yet another thread of /v/ retards crying over spilled milk.
>>323825459 >You must be upset because of WHAT was censored, not the act itself Well that's true. All localisation is self-censorship. What the localizer reads and sees in a Japanese passage and what they decide to put in the game goes through their internal filters of what their perceived audience would find annoying/offensive/tacky etc. So the thing that separates an acceptable localisation from an unacceptable one is WHAT was censored. Which, as you can imagine, is very subjective.
>>323825497 lol, no, my posts have been purely about how they are allowed to make stupid decisions, not if they are stupid, or not. as seen here: >>323822527 >content creator dictates all terms and conditions of its own content. you cant argue that the makers of hatred can do whatever they hell they want, then turn around and tell some other company they cant. im pro hatred doing whatever the fuck they want, because its THEIR game. and im acknowledging its hypocritical to turn around and tell other companies suddenly, they cant. this has nothing to do with me thinking its stupid which it is.
>>323825728 >Do you expect me to throw a fit over the lack of 2 specific skimpy outfits I dont give a fuck what you do. Do whatever you want. People are free to complain about the changes if they want to. You don't have to be involved at all. If you dont see a problem with the changes then just dont fucking post about it instead of saying "I DONT CARE ABOUT THIS, WHY THE HELL DO YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT IT?!?!?" like a goddamn retard.
>>323825846 >my posts have been purely about how they are allowed to make stupid decisions They are, I agree. And we are allowed to call those decisions stupid. Its called market feedback. So, whats your fucking point?
Because none of you fags give a straight answer as to what counts as censorship, you keep spamming the catalog with this shit when it's not vidya, you're ultimately unwilling or unable to do anything of value to help your cause, and anyone who disagrees with you is lumped into the same category as SJWs even when the consensus is that getting mad over the equivalent of a sentence being removed from a 300 page novel is pretty fucking pointless when the overall game is unaffected and the argument basically boils down to an "us vs. them" mentality.
>>323825846 or atleast, theyve been handed the rights and permission of the original creator, to do so.
why does no one ever point this out? if the creators of the game didnt want this to happen, they wouldnt of handed it off to nintendo, or they would of dictated that these changes could not be made. is it NoA`s fault, or is it the creators?
>>323826015 that not all censorship is bad censorship. if i was to release some shitty hip hop album, and i decided to release a version with the swearing removed from it for certain markets, its not wrong of me.
>>323826170 >everyone I've seen complaining ITT pretty obviously have not played the games Proof? And how does that even matter anyway? Are you saying that censorship is only bad when it concerns you directly?
>>323826126 >if i was to release some shitty hip hop album, and i decided to release a version with the swearing removed from it for certain markets, its not wrong of me. You could do that, sure, and people would be free to call you a pussy for doing so. Market feedback. >>323826314 >Cutscenes were changed in the japanese release so they could get a CERO C rating. Let's see a source nigger.
More like, "why waste time getting mad over a non-issue?"
I mean christ, never listen to creator commentary, it's full of instances where the creator removed something before it saw release and I'm afraid you'll legitimately die from a stress induced heart attack.
>>323826126 oh wait let me elaborate. if someone had STOPPED them from doing it, it would be censorship, but if they chose themselves to do it, to appeal to a wider demographic, its not really censorship. censorship is by definition the suppression of unacceptable content, while its still available and easy to acquire completely uncensored. its not their obligation to make sure the content is available in your language, and its not censorship if they dont translate it for you
>>323826063 Any attempt to give a definition of censorship just results in a pointless back-and-forth about what the definition of that particular word rather than a discussion of the actual issue at hand. See any time someone linked to the dictionary definition. I've taken to calling it "heavy-handed" or "moralistic localization" to skip that whole song and dance. >the consensus is that getting mad over the equivalent of a sentence being removed from a 300 page novel is pretty fucking pointless when the overall game is unaffected Clearly that sort of thing doesn't bother you. I respect that. It does, however, bother me quite a bit. Would you be willing to respect that about me in turn?
>>323826405 >"why waste time getting mad over a non-issue?" why do you care so much about what other people do with their time? >>323826441 >read the thread that's not proof dumb ass. I have Xenoblade X and have enjoyed it immensely, but the censorship is still really annoying. I want my waifus and husbandos in fundoshis.
>>323826797 That's more than good enough for me, friend. And to be fair, I can totally see how seeing "censorship!" in the thread title every goddamn time you refresh page would get annoying pretty fast if it wasn't an issue you cared about.
Still, arguing impotently about video games instead of bettering ourselves is what we're all here for, I guess. Have fun.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying it was marketed correctly.
I don't recall seeing a single commercial for XCX on television, the game itself marketed itself as being open-world with mechs but you don't even get mechs until after you jump through some hoops, it has MMO style combat which can turn off a lot of people, and the character designs can sometimes be too much for people who are just getting into the series and shit.
With this in mind, it's no surprise that people ignored it, but that has nothing to do with it being "censored" but everything to do with Nintendo not knowing how to market their non-1st party IPs that aren't Mario or LoZ.
>But where is the 100k potential sales coming from, within your data?
I'm not a marketer from Nintendo, I was just using that number as an example.
>I've only seen a decline in JRPGs in sales, the only one if you can say its a JRPG is a bloodborne or Dark Souls.
I think that's more due to a lack of decent marketing than censorship though.
>>323826871 I was talking about Xenoblade X, since some retard is trying to claim that the reason mims exist is to lessen the impact of deaths (and anyone who's actually played XCX would know that isn't the case). Regardless, that still isn't a source, let's see some scans.
>>323827446 >I was just using that number as an example. You were pulling that number from your fat ass in order to appear credible but when called out, you dismiss the figure. Classic censorship apologist.
It's not just seeing "censorship!" in the thread title every other day, it's the fact that some see shit like editing as a form of "self censorship lol."
I'm ecstatic at the thought of this shit being looked down upon like every other buzzword /v/ has been pushing but I'm also afraid at what other important political issue will get reduced to shitty bait just to shitposted endlessly.
>>323826871 its to keep the Cero C so its 15 and above. if they would go for D it would be another story but they wanted a C for better sales, the same you will see in FF15 but that will probably be a Cero B.
>>323827693 He's right because the Mims are a major part of the plot. A lot of the game's themes deal with the humans' struggle of adapting to new life on Mira and also adapting to living in robot bodies since they can't get to their real bodies until they recover the Lifehold And even once they DO recover it, they wont get their real bodies back, just clones of their old bodies from the genetic material stored in the Lifehold's data banks. But this was a secret that only the highest rank BLADE operatives know about. The main character also has amnesia and doesn't realize that they are a robot (because Mims are made to mimic human bodies in just about every conceivable way) until they get their arm blown off by a Prone robot in Chapter 5, and its a shocking revelation to the protagonist. Many NPCs also struggle with the thought that they wont be able to have kids until they recover the lifehold, and most NPCs are unaware that the Lifehold's backup power is running out. So yeah, fuck off shitposter.
>>323828093 okay, you do realize that the post you meant to quote is one of the posts defending censorship? So if anything, its the censorship apologists who haven't played the games. Completely BTFO by your own retardation. Now fuck off.
>>323828481 >Another buzzword I'm not using it as some shitty meme. I mean you pretty clearly have legitimate autism. Like the real deal. Unless you aren't the one I was replying to, then ignore this and fuck off.
>>323827935 Where to draw the line with localization is something best taken on a case-by-case basis, but that's usually a bit too tough for the cacophony of an anonymous imageboard to get a grip on. I can't say I agree with you about being "ecstatic" to be looked down upon, but I never really expected to be taken seriously on /v/ to begin with. I'm just here because people were already talking about it.
I just base my purchasing decisions on my own sense of values about this and call/email the relevant company if necessary. It's all I can hope to do that could actually matter, however slightly.
>>323828560 I came here to talk about videogames, but noticing there's no actual discussion of them I just came out shitposting.
It's borderline impossible to have legitimate vidya discussion here, the last I remember having was a few months ago in a timesplitters 2 thread (pretty rare sight at all these days). This is basically why /v/'s colloquially known as '/b/ 2.0'. The lack of moderation doesn't help.
That said, I'm having fun
>>323828732 >replies to what he knows (or at least thinks) is bait >the baiter is the reddit!! astonishing.
a) stop buying censored games b) let companies know via social media that you aren't going to be buying any censored games c) encourage other people to do a and b d) stop letting contrarians discourage you from a-c because "it doesn't matter" or "it's pathetic" or "it won't make a difference"
>>323828639 Nudity is banned by CERO. The most risque they get in games is like Criminal Girls or Senran Kagura which has barbie dolls under the bloom and smoke. They never get nudity like in GTA 5 or The Witcher.
>>323826871 yeah, because they wanted a Cero C rating in Japan so there is more strict rules for a C then a D. It sucks that Nintendo don't want much D rating in games but that's how it is. >>323826979 But this is about vidya, and some of us are somewhat pissed that a company that has puritan views, knows that most people will buy the game even if its censored or not.
So some of us want to make a stand against it, and argue about it because we don't have much better things to do.
In all honesty, everyone ITT is autistic if we went by the shitty definition that /v/ uses for it, it's like being called a faggot or a nigger or something, it's just a word people use when they have nothing better to say.
>>323830386 I know bro, I saw it happen in Giant bomb when Patrick Klepek came, all of sudden everyone became what was known as a Social Justice Warrior.
>>323830235 not its like ESRB or PEGI in Europe but its more strict. So when a game is Cero Z they have it behind the counter. So you want to get a Cero D if you want to mass marketing and mass appeal, but with certain games they are selling the game for the 15 year olds or older.
>>323830386 Do you really want a bunch of psychotic idiots trying to destroy you? Not every ambulance chaser in the name of "morality" is Jack Thompson tier ineffectual. The smarter crazies get something like Supersize Me rather than becoming eternal ridicule bait.
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