I really hate this "me too" attitude libtards have forced on minorities so that nothing impressive is ever accomplished.
Put a man on the moon? Who cares, people in poor countries are starving and women ahvent landed on the moon Built VR? Who cares, there's a vile toxic culture in the gaming crowd and they need to learn they are privileged Got a well paying job because you worked hard? Who cares, you're white so naturally you would've got it anyways even if you were poor
Its effectively leading us to a halt in actual progression as a species
>>323776116 You don't get it. Say FTL was suddenly possible, but only rich idiots could use it, what did you revolutionize? Where are they going without their power base (you)? They'd have to drag you along, thereby making it accessible to you. If literally only a single person could travel by FTL every time it was used, then what fucking use is it, beyond a bit of research? How is that revolutionary? Not a whole fucking lot is being done in either scenario.
Now, let me make it even easier to understand, what do you think would happen if the average person could use FTL for whatever the fuck he wanted to, within reason? Everything would suddenly change, homes on distant worlds, truly interstellar economies, etc. The phrase on this banner is not incorrect. TV didn't accomplish shit until it was in nearly every home, the internet truly revolutionized everything once joe blow had access, the examples are unending.
Regardless, if only people like me would even be able to use VR, then it's not really revolutionary. No one is going to develop shit for it until the install base expands, and that's going to require cheaper products.
Obviously if it's something that only effects the lives of or is only accessible to the top 1% it's not going to change how the average joe lives his life. Like lets say heated toilet seat with bidets aren't going to set the world on fire since they're too expensive for the average joe.
But saying only the poor are the deciding facor is a bit short sighted and ignores the fact that most people in the civilized world are what we'd consider the middle class, not poor, not rich but average, they have an income, own a home, have a car, and have enough money to spend on stupid pointless shit.
And you only need it accessible to the average joe for it to be a revolution these days. Fuck the dirt farmer in the thrid world who can't afford HDTVs their opinions do not determine if high definition is a revolutionary change in the way people watch TV.
Obviously the rift at $600+$1000 top of the line gaming PC has priced itself out of the hands of the majority of people and only the most hardcore enthusiasts can buy one, but we have yet to see if VR will catch on since there is competition on it's way with cheaper alternatives for the plebs. Just because the Cadillac was too expensive for the plebs doesn't mean the automobile didn't have affordable alternatives or that it wasn't revolutionary enough to catch on with the masses.
>>323776790 >You don't get it. Say FTL was suddenly possible, but only rich idiots could use it, what did you revolutionize? Where are they going without their power base (you)? They'd have to drag you along, thereby making it accessible to you. If literally only a single person could travel by FTL every time it was used, then what fucking use is it, beyond a bit of research? How is that revolutionary? Not a whole fucking lot is being done in either scenario. hey, dummy, no one could afford a seafaring ship on their own, but what did it make possible? travel to other lands, new resources and technology, and new discoveries. all things that helped the people back home
>>323776790 >if it is expensive it can't affect the common man
Nah that's retarded. Nuclear bombs aren't exactly cheap or accessible, but they shaped geopolitics and that greatly affected just about everyone on earth. Several countries haven't been invaded thanks to the threat of nuclear war, so their citizens were greatly affected.
In this example FTL may lead to really unknown discoveries. Itmight even uncover useful alien life like how the potato was discovered in the American continents.
>>323777169 >all he missed was a tiny comma Commas are important. Use and placement of commas ust as much so. >I went out with the strippers, Bush and Clinton. >I went out with the strippers, Bush, and Clinton. Which is clearer?
>>323775951 Bullshit, cause it will me accessible to the poor in a few years at least.
Right now it's cutting edge technology and expensive. Kinda like the first hdtvs there were, or how 4k gaming is today, but in a few years from now everyone can afford this shit and owning one becomes standard.
Just be patient poorfags.
Shit this pic is retarded, I can think of numerous revolutionary technologies that only rich people could afford for the first few years.. Telephones, mobile phones, television, pc, all kinds of shit was incredibly expensive at first but became cheaper with time.
>>323776790 >but only rich idiots could use it, what did you revolutionize? Supersonic travel exists but is completely inaccessible by poor slobs. What did it revolutionize?
Only warfare, commerce, science, and technology, nothing big I suppose.
EVERY major step forward in technology or any real progress in anything is held by a powerful minority at first before it becomes mainstream. Just because it doesn't fall instantly into your grubby hands doesn't mean it isn't off "revolutionizing" things somewhere.
Smartphones were revolutionizing interpersonal communication when only 1% of the world owned them. But again, you'd have to stick by a definition of "revolution" to make that work and I know a leftist like you is going to squirm away from and generally accepted form of "revolution" so that you can still decide what is or isn't a revolution. And of course your definition is always going to be "directly impacts the life of poor/average people" which is a retarded definition of revolution.
>>323776534 The ironic thing is that last one is actually only true for minorities - white people never get a job "for being white", yet legally companies are literally forced in the US to hire blacks for being black and women for being women.
Why, that quote is such horseshit I believe it deserves another direct response.
For every one invention or innovation that made it to the general public and stuck, there's ten just like it that predate it and failed specifically because the general public either wasn't ready for it, it didn't serve their needs, or they outright refused it.
Very few technological breakthroughs are discovered and mass-accepted "on the spot", most of them succeeded either through decades and lifetimes of dedicated R&D, were accepted for a role other than its original intention, or because it favored/challenged certain powers and they forced it on or away from the public through your typical political deceptive fuckery.
>>323776534 I like when people pretend like this SJW shit actually makes a significant difference to the world. It's just a trend, it'll go away when it stops being trendy. The governments of the world won't actually listen to whining, American college students in any genuine capacity.
>>323777732 We don't. Are you high? We have to pay for a cream and paracetamol, but cancer medicine and experimental ALS stuff and shit like that, no. That's free. Doctors appointment, going to the emergency room and so on. Free free free, fuck I'd hate to be burger.
I'm a poorfag, but in a rich country, which means my schizo neet bucks can easily pay for a new gaming rig and vr, at least if I quit smoking weed for a few months. Really sucks to be living in a socialist hellhole, I can't work but have everything I want and every opportunity I could wish for. Vote Bernie.
Anything ground breaking is eventually available to the poor. The most destitute of people can buy a supercomputer to carry in their pocket, and most of them buy several because they fall for the marketing. Once VR is economic and actually works it'll be everywhere.
Also, people keep trying to pretend that Oculus Rift is VR. It's not, not even remotely. It's a special kind of screen, that's all it is. It's a step toward VR, but ultimately it'll be to VR as a monitor is to PC gaming.
>>323777990 >but cancer medicine and experimental ALS stuff and shit like that, no. That's free. Doctors appointment, going to the emergency room All lies, at least in Norway and Denmark. Granted, it's not wallet ripping prices, but you still have to pay about 55-100$ for a visit to emergency health services like "akutten"
And then there's the denist prices that actually do destroy your finances
>>323777978 Minorities getting a free pass isnt going away, whites being judged harshly isnt going away, race mixing being pushed isnt going away, gender becoming nonbinary isnt going away.
The fall of western civilization is happening before our eyes but you are insisting that no, its fine, its just a fad and will go away. Obviously it isnt going to become a police state where transagiist nonbinary gender fluid hunt down and imprison cis white males or females like those greentexts from a few years back, but its only getting worse as the years pass.
>>323777582 >EVERY major step forward in technology or any real progress in anything is held by a powerful minority at first before it becomes mainstream. That's exactly what he said, how about you try reading past the second sentence.
The thing is, this "revolution" is only seen when you start taking the thing in question as a given. VR isn't revolutionary. Yet. It won't be revolutionary if it flops. Actually, it's not even as impressive as all the technology jumps we had before. Everyone can at least vaguely imagine how it works now, unlike with, say, TV when those were invented.
>>323775951 I regards to VR specifically, I think this is accurate.
I've been in a really high quality VR when I was a teenager, but it had an hour wait line and was 25 dollars a go. It was it's own rig, but it was so expensive the dual installation vanished soon from the establishment. Probably after the initial fascination wore off enough to not outweigh the cost and wait to play it.
It was never a question of tech or execution. Such things existed it in the past. The issue is the cost relegated it as a rich kid's toy, and thus not revolutionary.
FTL would revolutionize our understanding of physics and open up an entire can of worms that would put this planet on mental breakdown. That is if it suddenly possible. If we did the research before hand and MADE FTL, then most sciences will follow suit, therefore it already was revolutionary to begin with.
Seriously, anon, it's like you didn't think this through.
>>323778083 If you don't think resume's with ethnic sounding names are sent to the bottom of the pile in many workplaces you are lacking work experience and ignorant of the studies that have been conducted
>>323778207 >gender becoming nonbinary You think this is actually happening? Seriously? You know that one "die cis scum" "woman"? She grew out of it, she admitted it was a phase. That's just one extreme example. These are just college students who are bored, they don't make any difference in the world. Sure, Europe is being raped by immigrants, but that is completely unrelated to the FemFrequency stoolpit. That's an entirely different problem with different causes and consequences.
There are lots of problems in the world, but fat, American college students with purple died hair too much lipstick and way too much free time are not one of them. This SJW shit is literally a fucking fad and will fade away, just like the "games are too violent" shit did.
>>323777216 To be fair, nuclear weapons were very accessible to poor people. They were just on the business end of them.
In reality the OP is just some unfalsifiable hogwash that doesn't actually mean anything. It's basically impossible for some large development or new technology to not affect the poor in some fashion, therefore everything is radical and revolutionary.
>>323778201 Well I stand corrected on whether or not anything has be paid in NORWAY, but it's far less than you claim, almost like a symbolic gesture, and there is a limit to how much you can be forced to pay in a year.
But you are factually wrong on Denmark, sorry senpai, 100% wrong.
>>323778376 You dont get it do you? For every person like her, theres a dozen who actually believe it and hold it true and continue to influence others. Just like whe /v/ pretends to be retarded and then drags in real retards who then drag in their real retard friends and worsens the state of this board. Theres already nonbinary public bathrooms
>>323778236 >he thing is, this "revolution" is only seen Eat shit.
When an entire industry, field, or whatever is changed/improved forever, it doesn't matter how it's "seen."
There's major revolutions in science and technology where the rest of the field actively fights or rejects it.
I really don't think of these small VR sets as being particularly revolutionary. There's no real new technology involved at all, and I used bigger, bulkier VR equipment years ago. But whether it's revolutionary isn't up to what it's seen as by average fucks, it's about how it's actually changing/improving things.
>>323778236 VR technology in itself isn't revolutionary, in the end it's just high resolution displays strapped to your head, but it's application will be.
Imagine a world in which you can be everywhere and do everything through vr. Feel like studying, why not enroll in a VR lecture? Psychological problems, I dunno, be it fear of heights, spiders, whatever.. or something serious like PTSD, how about systematic desensiilization in vr. Want to learn to drive a car, why not practice this shit in VR. Want to become a surgeaon, why not VR..
My point is, I can think of thousands of fields VR will revolutionize, be it healthcare, education, training for all kinds of industry or just plain fun. Make no mistake the future is VR.
>>323778561 We'll see in ten years, anon. My prediction? The Tumblrverse will pull a complete 180 and make racism and sexism fashionable. Eventually even black women will be given the right to be transphobic, and after that they won't even be transphobic, they'll just be black. It's about as likely as anything else in that retarded echo box of a community.
>>323778653 who cares about poor africans? real talk, lots of people risk their life over there trying to give kids a proper education, hopefully inspire them to something better besides resorting to piracy, but how many actually follow through?
>>323778709 I mean, they're already doing what 4chan used to do last decade. And the Steven Universe fanbase is using "-coded" to describe Gems based on stereotypes, which is basically a codeword for being prejudiced as all get out.
>>323778653 Your horrible and sheltered definition of poor notwithstanding... VR will still affect africans in so far as it will reduce the amount of white people who go there to pose with pre-shot endangered species.
>>323778653 Africans aren't poor, they're a different category. You have to live in a first world country to be poor. Poor people can afford cheap, processed food and tap water, and even, against all logic, a big TV and a PS4.
Nigger life is not a goddamn RTS. Since there are zero technologies in "strapping phone to face" that are related to "direct neural interface," they're as related as driving and space travel. Read: only retards with zero understanding of either will see them as remotely similar.
>>323779285 In a perfect world that would be true. You can't just debunk the existence of a well studied (and honestly pretty obvious to anyone over the age of 16) phenomenon by saying "nope". Companies are run by humans. Things like emotion and bias factor into their decisions.
>Be a poor american >Defend the elite's rights to rip off all poor people >Fight the government so that the wealthy won't get taxed on MY behalf, while schools, health care, public roads and all turn to shit >At least i have guns
>>323776991 >hey, dummy, no one could afford a seafaring ship on their own, but what did it make possible? Seafaring ships like Galleons and what not weren't revolutionary or radical. They built on pre-existing knowledge of boats.
>>323779374 desu this should be true for everyone. White trash, ghetto trash, gook trash. Kill 'em all. We don't need poor criminal scum on our fair society. Besides, from a practical point of view, when did someone poor ever invent or improve society instead of taking from it? Poor people really are the cancer of society and i can't wait until the middle class wakes up and start hunting down this filth. Survival of the fittest, and they failed before they were born.
To be honest, so far it looks nothing more than a pointless gimmick. Sorta like 3D television which nobody even remembers anymore. And i'm seriously doubting any sane developer will invest time and money into making a VR-exclusive games when they barely add any new mechanics while requiring an advanced piece of tech most of the core gamers won't even be able to afford at least for a few years and by that point hype will already die.
It's not oriented on normalfags like Wii and all vr-exclusive shit shown so far was between mediocre and horrible. That VR presentation on PS Experience was one of the cringest, absolutely worst things i've ever seen on sony conferences.
>>323779325 >life is not an RTS it kind of is. Technologies don't just get invented one day out of nowhere. They build on what came before
Strapping a display in front of your eyes if very different than interacting directly with a brain, true. But some of the things you learn in the process of strapping a display in front you face help you when you eventually try to figure out how to interact directly with a brain. Studying things like how the head and eyes move around to create a mental image of the surroundings one is presented with will be relevant for creating simulated signals interpretable by the visual cortex
Honestly I think this is just worded poorly. Its more so that things that are not beneficial to poor people as well are not revolutionary.
Which is a much more reasonable and far reaching way to put it. VR would still be revolutionary under that definition as it pushes games forward and makes games move towards more immersive worlds that you can still enjoy without a screen strapped to your face.
Almost everything ever helps the poor or those that can't afford it either eventually or through alternative means (like cars and automobiles pushing forward public transportation).
There are plenty of inventions that don't fall into this category, especially luxury goods and expenditures, so it still gets that edgy "FUCK RICH PEOPLE" this person was going for.
>>323780104 This. We need a free society where the wealthy job creators can continue making our capitalist utopia. That's why Anarchy is the best social form because it makes it impossible for jews to abuse us
>>323779687 I don't understand which post you are agreeing with. If you are implying that in your country companies are perfect and always do what is logical and fair then whether you're in switzerland or somalia lol no I'm afraid it's not true
>cars weren't revolutionary >steel wasn't revolutionary >airplanes weren't revolutionary >fucking space stations aren't revolutionary >if I can't have it, neither can you :^) can't we just kill all the poor?
The problem with VR isn't the technology, it's the lack of decent exclusive content.
Every single VR game could easily have a competent non-VR game port.
Developers would have to be financially suicidal to develop games exclusively for VR when the install base is so small compared to everybody else. Oh sure, they're saying right now that they are VR exclusive, but that's just part of their funding agreement with Facebook - it'll be timed exclusives at best.
With all of VR's content rendered non-exclusive, what exactly will be the selling point of VR to normies, who always follow the path of least resistance?
Hell, what will be the selling point to hardcore gamers? You could spent $599 US dollars on a VR headset or you could put that $599 US dollars towards a insanely powerful graphic card that would give better visuals and frames on a normal monitor.
Path of least resistance people, and VR ain't on it.
>>323780043 It's literally not too difficult to implement and can definitely catch on given actual attempts. And with the different ways VR is being presented and pursued I think it might actually catch on.
If anything augmented reality displays are going to become a thing because of it. Outside of LEL NSA google glass is actually super fucking cool and useful and microsoft and google are both trying to come out with similar products but as a full set instead of a small square in the corner.
It costs next to nothing to get VR to work in standard games (unless its PS4 and Morpheus which is a completely different ballgame) and the technology is being advanced in many forms and differing areas. But for the next few years yeah it'll be mostly gimmicky shit, I mean the same thing happened with phones and accelerometers and shit and now they can tell the distance from the ground and the fucking angle accurately and record near exact coordinates in pictures (including angle of camera etc)
>>323780438 Not really >Kill all poor >Free up billions of tons of food >No more filthy junkies, criminals or foreigners in our prisons >Government debt would basically be eradicated with welfare abolished Sounds great to me
>>323780367 A better idea would be to kill the impoverished. Poor people work hard to support society, the truly impoverished work hard to not die from parasitic infestation. Just wipe all the starving Africans out, it'll do the world a lot of good.
>>323779560 >The cost to produce a Minuteman, the only land-based ICBM currently in service in the United States, is $7 million That's a pittance for a nation. Even a poor nation could afford to buy a nuke, if they were for sale.
>>323780509 And that's why he offers someone to work for him. If you rather not work at all and starve, then that's on you, not him. Don't like it? Start up your own business. Take the risks or go home. Shame 99% refuse to take any risks, but that's not our problem
>>323780689 Robots that will be made once cultural marxists are eliminated. That way scientists won't be shamed and their achievements discredited due to some landwhale with sand in her vag finding someone's shirt offensive.
>>323780686 It's true you nig. 4chan and stormfront are close allies. This is anonymous's political leaning whenever or not it scares you. Deal fucking with it. Anon has spoken. And we sure as hell ain't no fucking sjw
>>323780721 >Bidet I never understood how they work. When i was in Europe, i tried one, but couldn't flush my shit down the drain. It just lay there pitifully. What's the point of that stupid shit anyway?
>>323780890 The rich is the ones funding them now, commieshitter. This meme hate towards the rich needs to fucking stop. Everything ever invented was funded by the wealthy. Not all good though, the wealthy also funds welfare for stupid niggers like you
>>323780726 I don't like it. Rather than starting my own business and perpetuating the rigged game capitalism which mostly fails at incentivizing actual tangible economic production and instead rewards rent seeking, speculation, and plain old fuckery I will advocate for a better system.
>>323780792 Nigger robots can't even run a McDonalds right, each attempt has been a colossal failure.
Robots are better suited for replacing fine tasks and skilled work, which are predominantly good paying jobs, and even then that has to be the same task every single time.
You literally cannot automate a majority of low paying jobs because they aren't a uniform method of work. You are drastically over estimating what technology does or can do.
Even so if you could automate a majority of work money would be essentially worthless and we would have to redefine a majority of what we consider economics to be today.A majority of our society is based on going to work and earning money to raise offspring, what the fuck happens when there is no more work to do because robots just do all of it? How would we structure an economy that isn't based around work?
Now realize that all this shit is probably something we are going to have to deal with in our lifetimes, a world where people don't need to work is a scary place to be.
>Also implying you wouldn't be culled with the poor
You are literally lower class until you are making like 80-100k on your own.
>>323781278 New business do almost always fail. The one's that don't fail aren't necessarily the ones with the best product, or the most competitive prices.. It's usually just the ones with the most startup capital.
Pseudo babble is probably not the term you were looking for, by the way. Babble is that which is meaningless, Pseudo babble would be something that seems meaningless but is not. You fail even at hurling petty insults.
>kill all poor >nobody is buying a cheap, massproduced shit or food anymore >there are no "we want to be a middle class" people anymore, so noone is buying middle range priced shit (cars, houses, TV, furniture, electronics, vacations, etc, etc, etc) >revenues from selling taxes, as well as other non-direct taxes plumeted >revenues from income tax plumeted when rich moved their money to different country with better taxation scheme >government debt skyrocketing due to spending on army, police, infrastructure that was previously funded from mass-taxation >economy goes into shit, which makes rich people to siphon even more of their money from the country >this cause the economy goes into deeper shit >state is turned into 3rd world style feudal shithole where local bigwigs are living in gold-plated masons surrounded by piles of trash and shit (nobody is doing a low-paid job like trash collection, remember?)
Son, the substantial amount of poor are needed for every country, because they are easy to milk of their money and therefore are much better en masse source of income than rich which are smart and know how to hide their wealth from taxes
>>323781658 Pretty much. Got an idea? Make it happen. You don't "owe" shit to people you pay for a service. If they don't like the pay, then they can fuck off. There's plenty other fish in the sea that would love to work.
>>323781735 This isn't really comparable. Ending American slavery was a positive social change that addressed and actual issue. Tumblr whining for Samus not being a tranny is not even remotely the same thing.
>>323781023 It can actually more reliably replace higher skilled work than lower skilled work, so it would actually more easily replace rich people.
>Implying you can reliably replace work in which people have to do different shit every day all the goddamn time to get by
Explain to me how you could replace construction workers with robots, because you literally can't (Differences in buildings, multiple specialized tasks usually handled by an individual now has to all be done by a single machine, etc)
Machines in production facilities are literally specialized one to maybe a couple tasks only, your average walmart grunt stocks shelves, cleans up, jumps on register, sorts loads from trucks, and interracts with people. How the fuck are you gonna replace him with robots nigga, the closest we have gotten is Amazon's stock room robots but that is just warehouse shit.
>>323781829 You think they are wrong. They think they are right. (by the way that's not their argument. I dont' know what it is but that's not it). History will decide. Trends either are accepted or they are not, it will depend on a lot of factors. All I am saying is you cannot just say "all trends die out because that is what trends do".If you disagree with someone you have to actually make an argument as to why, they're not just going to go away because you think they're dumb
Yeah before a majority of skilled labor that you would advance into got automated, career advancement fell through the floor, and job prevalence took a dive,
If you really think boomer style american dream "get a job, work, retire" is something that can be gone out and just grabbed if you just "weren't lazy" is still a thing you are fucking retarded.
Not to mention almost all jobs were condensed, back in the day you had a cashier, a stocker, a bagger, a sales associate, and a customer service person. Now they are literally the same guy running back and forth between jobs working HARDER than back in the day, being payed worse by inflation, and have literally no way to ever advance their career past that individual store.
That statement is bullshit ofcourse, but high cost = low installment which is followed by lack of content which in turn is followed by an even slower growing install base which will slowly make it irrelevant or relevant in 5 years or so.
>>323782436 both are garbage m8 >gallup >Gallup tracks daily the percentage of Americans who approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing as president. Daily results are based on telephone interviews with approximately 1,500 national adults; Margin of error is ±3 percentage points. >telephone calls >1500k adults
>>323782696 No, I didn't. Your inability to admit your own argument was small minded and simplistic does not change the fact that vr displays and neural interfaces have similarities in terms of implementation and research
>>323782897 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class >Households that earn between $25,000 and $75,000 represent approximately the middle half of the income distribution tables provided by the U.S. Census Bureau. >Household income distribution >Middle 33%: $30,000 to $62,500 >Middle 20%: $35,000 to $55,000 Are you guys all trustfund babbies or why have you such a skewed view of reality
>>323775951 This fortune cookie thing is pretty clearly making reference to art which claims to be politically radical and revolutionary yet is catered exclusively to an audience of bourgeois elite leftists, which is a pretty real and common trend in the art world.
But anyway, I know you rad /v/sters shit your pants and go running to /pol/ and #Gamer'sGate at the first sign of anything "Tumblr" or "Marxist" or whatever, so I guess go on not bothering to understand the things you're trying to mock.
>>323783103 Your argument is based in a number of things you don't understand, so because you don't understand them, they're related. Like the eyes and head movements and mentaal images and stuff! cause collecting data on that without any sort of comparison to what is being transmitted across neural pathways will surely lead to neural interfacing!
Your argument is laughable because when any sort of development of neural interfacing begins, they'll be redoing all the shit you think VR development will bring to the development, because that data will be completely meaningless without a neural context.
>>323783140 >This fortune cookie thing is pretty clearly making reference to art which claims to be politically radical and revolutionary yet is catered exclusively to an audience of bourgeois elite leftists, which is a pretty real and common trend in the art world. Which is still irrelevant when you consider how much advocacy for socialism has historically come from the capitalist class. The poor already know why advocating for the poor is important; there's no point preaching to the choir when you could be trying to sway the opinions of the people who actually matter and have the power to do something about it.
>>323783382 Yeah, I see how your definition of middle class is 'top 1% earners of the country' And yes of course the median wages have increased by 200% since 2005 Try not to be fucking retarded and spouting things about shit you have no idea about
>>323783282 I didn't say >those things will surely lead to neural interfacing you stupid fucking faggot. I just said it's relevant.
You are honestly just daft if you think there is no conceivable crossover when it comes to immersive virtual environments. It's like saying there's no relation between light bulbs and television displays
You used to have a lot of entry level jobs that you could advance through and make careers out of. The problem with the "just work hard meme" is that the idea is that working hard rewards you, but it fucking doesn't now, because there isn't a promotion for you to get.
Yes there are enough jobs to employ people, but those are all majorly dead end minimum wage jobs that you have to work at for 10 years before you are making a half decent wage. Not to mention that there is a drastically lower amount of full time positions and permanent positions in general than there were during the boomers time.
Unemployment figures literally don't matter, the problem isn't being employed or not, or even being able to find a job. The problem is being able to find a job that you can support yourself and is stable is incredibly difficult compared to back in the day.
>>323781172 >not using israeli uzi´s close, but not a true ameritard >>323781254 oj alah. most parts of yurop where under mudslimes back then. where do you think "the coast is clear" come from....? moors
>>323776283 We invented space travel already. But we don't do it anymore precisely because it's way too expensive and inaccessible to large numbers of people. We put a man on the moon and it didn't revolutionize shit.
>>323783482 >I don't understand and didn't read about how all of this shit is calculated
Again you are literally retarded and don't seem to understand how fucking drastically cost of living has changed since the early 2000's you do know that the poverty line for your average house is now 25k right?
>>323784150 >>323784037 >>323783845 I think the big thing people miss with Obamacare is that - in it's inception it was actually a pretty 'okay' document, nothing too groundbreaking, but the republicans had the voting majority, and rather than just outright blocking it they repealed numerous provisions, while hamfisting it into what it is now. Next republican that comes into office it will get struck down, but at any point in the next 20 or more years if someone tries to start up universal healthcare again the first retort you'll hear is
"REMEMBER HOW BAD THAT WAS"
plain and simple, they played Obama's card and switched the deck to demonize healthcare, as doesn't stand for private health care's interest.
the left wing and the right wing, are wings of the same bird, and it's not the patriotic eagle
>>323784446 >i shouldn't* pay this employee a figure even close to what they're making me It's called turning a profit you dumb cuck. Also asking for more money just because the business is making more money is retarded.
>>323778719 So i can have access to my private jet and niggers in africa just have access to clean water and first world roads/buildings/ general infastructure? Your a fucking moron learn how an economy works before saying everyone is entitled to everything you little cunt
>>323783714 Do you have any statistics to back that up? Most low skill jobs are beeing moved to china, what is left in the US is skilled labor that requires education. Are you complaining that good jobs require education? Because if that is what you are talking about than the only solution would be to undo progress and go back in time.
>>323784692 >Are you complaining that good jobs require education? Because if that is what you are talking about than the only solution would be to undo progress and go back in time. Or you could make education better and more affordable.
>>323784634 Well yeah, the initial cuts were fucking garbage, but it had nothing on the harm NCLB actually had on education in america and how the restructuring of how schools were funded on the brand new nation wide standardized tests only served to make struggling schools worse and good schools with excessive funding they don't need. (which then starts the school board greed like in Clark County, Nevada).
If anything NCLB is probably the worst non privacy related thing passed to ever happen to america and is solely responsible for the growing uneducated poor population.
>>323784702 >Business owner that invested is the same as a low skilled pleb. >>323784636 >Flip burgers >Sell 1000$ in burgers a day because "They woodnt be sellin em if I didn't make em shiiiet" >Deserve 1000$ a day.
>>323782947 >expecting retards to know... anything, let alone a multi-faceted and disciplinary examination of an economic model.
I mean, no one in this thread knows anything about economics works that were done in the fucking 90s in regards to the efficiency of planned economy vs free market and the speed of which information exchange can be made to a more central body and used in the current day.
>>323784692 And that's one of the problems, since a lot of low skill work that would advance you into skilled jobs, and stuff like that doesn't really exist anymore with outsourcing and automation.
I am not complaining about lacking of education either most jobs back in the day were trade jobs in the first place. Production and factory work that trained you to do it, and trained you as you advanced. Manufacturing work is another good example of work that USED to have entry level positions but doesn't anymore.
My point being that the "Work a job, form a career" thing doesn't happen anywhere near the frequency it used too, working hard doesn't advance you if there isn't anywhere to advance too.
There isn't the "bridge" anymore, you have low skilled garbage jobs that you can't advance past, and high skilled jobs you need an education for. With education being near prohibitively expensive, and the opportunity for your degree to be rendered useless between starting and ending college makes it just unfeasible for anywhere close to a majority of the population.
Basically the classic american dream is dead, and what replaced it is trustfund kiddies and lucking out in a start-up or getting culturally relevant and popular.
>>323785218 CV1 is 1080p, you'll never get rid of the screen door effect in a VR headset, but honestly you forget about it and stop noticing it rather quickly, and prolonged use it becomes pretty much invisible (by which your brain subconsciously blocks it out much like your nose or even hair if its decent length)
>>323777978 Actually they do to a certain extent. Like the girl who dragged around her bed to get some guy in trouble when the court decided the ground of rape was unsubstantiated and she was invited by a senator to the State of the Union.
They may not necessarily drop everything to pass a law but they sure as shit use them for PR, and if the problem is small enough like running some sap through the ringer they'll probably do that too.
>>323785534 This. How is a business owner supposed to live on 200k monthly? After taxes and bills, he'd just have like 120k left, and no man deserves that for his hard work.
But commies and anti americans think that our greatest people should live like peasants. There was even some drama when a senator said the exact same thing as i am because evul people dunt deserve comfortable lives.
It's really kind of surreal that we just had an economic collapse brought on by banks a few years ago but there's so much hatred for the poor and idolizing of the rich. How short are peoples' memories?
>Everyone will become rich if the hard enough guise!!1! >if you aren't rich, it's cause you didn't work hard enough >n-no the rich never abuse their wealth to hoard money and make it harder for others to make money!!
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