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Would this prove that VR is not revolutionary?

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Would this prove that VR is not revolutionary?
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As spoken by a true poorfag.
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hey uh show me the poor guy who can print up some shit to paste on a wall for his art class
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>>323775951

>FTL travel is invented
>isn't revolutionary because niggers and wetbacks can't use it
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>>323775951
So nothing invented since saltwater hasn't been revolutionary or 'radical'?
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>>323775951
That's a political definition of revolutionary.
>nuclear weapons weren't revolutionary because the poor didn't have access to them
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>>323776176
We could always nuke the poors
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>>323776176
Nuclear power plants provided cheap energy to the poor so yes, nuclear power was revolutionary.
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>>323776116
>niggers and wetbacks are the only poor people
>what are lower-middle and lower class white men and white women
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>>323776116
It's obviously a poorfag who said that
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>>323776257
>>323776279
There are two kinds of people on the Internet.
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>>323775951
Cars aren't revolutionary? If someone can afford a car he can afford a VR headset
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>>323775951
Yes.
So aren't cars, or radios, or televisions or even fucking mirrors and glasses.
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>>323775951
so, i suppose genetic manipulation isn't revolutionary or radical. faggot you need to spend more time in the real world
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>>323776370
>If someone can afford a car he can afford a VR headset
And if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.

I'm glad we had this discussion.
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>>323776116
>niggers and wetbacks
>>>/pol/
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>>323775951
That has to be one of the dumbest quotes I've ever seen. I'm all for social equity but not everything needs to be accessible to everyone
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>>323775951
Would some pseudo philosophical bullshit prove anything? No it doesnt.
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>>323776283
>what are lower-middle and lower class white men and white women
they're not actually white, it turns out

in fact, no one is, really
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>>323776426
But they can since they could afford an overpriced shitty ass smartphone.
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I really hate this "me too" attitude libtards have forced on minorities so that nothing impressive is ever accomplished.

Put a man on the moon? Who cares, people in poor countries are starving and women ahvent landed on the moon
Built VR? Who cares, there's a vile toxic culture in the gaming crowd and they need to learn they are privileged
Got a well paying job because you worked hard? Who cares, you're white so naturally you would've got it anyways even if you were poor

Its effectively leading us to a halt in actual progression as a species
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>>323776520
cars and smart phones have practical uses, idiot. vr does not
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>>323776012
>calls self a poorfag
>has 100+games on steam

yea, no. fuck off idiot.
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>>323776517
Okay then.
>what are lower-middle and lower class PEACH men and PEACH women
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>>323776534
none of those things progress us as a species
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>>323776610
>becoming a spacefaring species doesn't progress us
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ok
asshole
make flying cars accessable to the poor
or self driving cars
or advanced surgery
or lab grown meat

go fuck yourself OP i hope you burn i hope your house catches fire and you burn horribly
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>>323776534
>Put a man on the moon? Who cares, The government is taking muh guns since 1945 and teaching muh kids about evolution!
It works both ways sadly.
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>>323776610
your imagination is too limited, thats why you don't understand. vr can be used in training, piloting and operating over long distances.
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>>323776589
Smart phones are full of gimmicks, if all you care about is practicality then you can get a cheap dumb phone. People pay out the ass for the gimmicks.
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>>323776610
>technological progressions arent progressions

>>323776698
>le christians dont believe in evolution meme

hello reddit
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>>323776534

This

Some shithead always cries about the starving Africans and how the money would be better spent ensuring the survival of people who should die off whenever NASA announces any major project
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>>323776116
You don't get it. Say FTL was suddenly possible, but only rich idiots could use it, what did you revolutionize? Where are they going without their power base (you)? They'd have to drag you along, thereby making it accessible to you. If literally only a single person could travel by FTL every time it was used, then what fucking use is it, beyond a bit of research? How is that revolutionary? Not a whole fucking lot is being done in either scenario.

Now, let me make it even easier to understand, what do you think would happen if the average person could use FTL for whatever the fuck he wanted to, within reason? Everything would suddenly change, homes on distant worlds, truly interstellar economies, etc. The phrase on this banner is not incorrect. TV didn't accomplish shit until it was in nearly every home, the internet truly revolutionized everything once joe blow had access, the examples are unending.

Regardless, if only people like me would even be able to use VR, then it's not really revolutionary. No one is going to develop shit for it until the install base expands, and that's going to require cheaper products.
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>>323776698
Generally it's

>Put a man on the moon? Who cares, put our money to solve our problems HERE.

Which is retarded because the only way to solve all problems on the earth is to have nobody alive on earth.
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It's pretty obvious whoever made that statement was poor, retarded, didn't really think how stupid the statement is or a mix of those three options.
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>>323776698
>>323776760
Honestly the real problem is extremism and extremists.
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>>323776639
the last time a human being left earth's atmosphere was in the '60s

but yeah, let's spend some more on our "space" program, lol. i'm sure it'll lead to all our sci-fi wank fantasies coming true
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>>323775951
I think that goes too far.

Obviously if it's something that only effects the lives of or is only accessible to the top 1% it's not going to change how the average joe lives his life. Like lets say heated toilet seat with bidets aren't going to set the world on fire since they're too expensive for the average joe.

But saying only the poor are the deciding facor is a bit short sighted and ignores the fact that most people in the civilized world are what we'd consider the middle class, not poor, not rich but average, they have an income, own a home, have a car, and have enough money to spend on stupid pointless shit.

And you only need it accessible to the average joe for it to be a revolution these days. Fuck the dirt farmer in the thrid world who can't afford HDTVs their opinions do not determine if high definition is a revolutionary change in the way people watch TV.

Obviously the rift at $600+$1000 top of the line gaming PC has priced itself out of the hands of the majority of people and only the most hardcore enthusiasts can buy one, but we have yet to see if VR will catch on since there is competition on it's way with cheaper alternatives for the plebs. Just because the Cadillac was too expensive for the plebs doesn't mean the automobile didn't have affordable alternatives or that it wasn't revolutionary enough to catch on with the masses.
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>>323776751
most people pay for the service they find convenient and get a smartphone included with the fees
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>>323776760
Protip: creationism isn't evolution despite what your priest told you as he fucked your ass.
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>>323775951
made by a libtard who will avoid all poor districts on his way to art school paid by his parents, looking the other way when some beggar or other outcast stumbles into the 'safe' streets
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>>323776760
>Thinking you have to be christian to disprove evolution as the marxist scam it is
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>>323776806
>the last time a human being left earth's atmosphere was in the '60s
>What is ISS
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>>323776790
>You don't get it. Say FTL was suddenly possible, but only rich idiots could use it, what did you revolutionize? Where are they going without their power base (you)? They'd have to drag you along, thereby making it accessible to you. If literally only a single person could travel by FTL every time it was used, then what fucking use is it, beyond a bit of research? How is that revolutionary? Not a whole fucking lot is being done in either scenario.
hey, dummy, no one could afford a seafaring ship on their own, but what did it make possible? travel to other lands, new resources and technology, and new discoveries. all things that helped the people back home
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>>323776834
>most people pay for the service they find convenient

they should make laws that force you to go with whatever service you city wants people should not have choice a free man with a choice is a very dangerous thing
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>>323776803
The real problem is autism and how autists think they have the right to speak like normal people.

Shut up autists and the world instantly will become a better place.
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>>323775951
I remember when things used to be radical.
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>>323777002
and that's why you're not in charge of anything successful
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>>323777002
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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>>323775951

New things are always expensive, in 2 years there will be affordable alternatives.
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>>323777096
All he missed was a tiny ,
Unless you're a complete retard, that line is easy to understand and read, you memeloving fuck
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>>323776920
>marxist scam
>evolution
Pick one. If anything, evolution disproves marxists.
>not being a social darwinist
This is the point where I would post a smug anime face if I had one
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So I guess since there are poor people in Africa that eat dirt because they can't afford anything, nothing but ideologies have ever been revolutionary.
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>>323776976
>What is ISS
not outside the atmosphere. you're an idiot
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>computers weren't revolutionary
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>>323776790
>if it is expensive it can't affect the common man

Nah that's retarded. Nuclear bombs aren't exactly cheap or accessible, but they shaped geopolitics and that greatly affected just about everyone on earth. Several countries haven't been invaded thanks to the threat of nuclear war, so their citizens were greatly affected.

In this example FTL may lead to really unknown discoveries. Itmight even uncover useful alien life like how the potato was discovered in the American continents.
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>>323777094
every time something has been ruined or screwed up it was caused by a freeman with a choice this must be stopped and banned everyone choices should be made for them based on their income
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>>323776446
Hello tumblr!
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>>323777169
>all he missed was a tiny comma
Commas are important. Use and placement of commas ust as much so.
>I went out with the strippers, Bush and Clinton.
>I went out with the strippers, Bush, and Clinton.
Which is clearer?
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>>323777219
counterargument:
everything new and revolutionary has been created by a free man with a choice:
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>>323776601
Peach is a woman and she's royalty, idiot
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>>323777002
>>323777219
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>>323777314
the government should decide what is new and revolutionary things such ass art and music are a waste of time and should not be allowed
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>>323775951
I am a poor fag yet I am able to buy a VR headset.
It's called being frugal.
Will probably use my tax return on a HTC Vive.
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>>323777325
I should've known that that statement would attract that response.

Not the noun, the adjective, you dolt
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>>323776652
>advanced surgery accesable to the poor
>What is scandinavia & free health care
burgerfuck
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>>323775951
Bullshit, cause it will me accessible to the poor in a few years at least.

Right now it's cutting edge technology and expensive. Kinda like the first hdtvs there were, or how 4k gaming is today, but in a few years from now everyone can afford this shit and owning one becomes standard.

Just be patient poorfags.

Shit this pic is retarded, I can think of numerous revolutionary technologies that only rich people could afford for the first few years.. Telephones, mobile phones, television, pc, all kinds of shit was incredibly expensive at first but became cheaper with time.
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>>323777390
Oh, it's just the ghost of Stalin. How's that Soviet Union going - oh wait...
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>>323777390
your government doesn't get the right to tell me what to do
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>>323777424
>adjective

Don't you dare call Princess Peach that. Show some respect
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>2016
>people still not intuitively understanding that technology is expensive when it it's new then it gets cheaper
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>>323777493
then you shall burn like the bitch you are
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>>323777396
If you can afford VR at all right now, you're not as poor as you think.
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>>323776790
>but only rich idiots could use it, what did you revolutionize?
Supersonic travel exists but is completely inaccessible by poor slobs. What did it revolutionize?

Only warfare, commerce, science, and technology, nothing big I suppose.

EVERY major step forward in technology or any real progress in anything is held by a powerful minority at first before it becomes mainstream. Just because it doesn't fall instantly into your grubby hands doesn't mean it isn't off "revolutionizing" things somewhere.

Smartphones were revolutionizing interpersonal communication when only 1% of the world owned them. But again, you'd have to stick by a definition of "revolution" to make that work and I know a leftist like you is going to squirm away from and generally accepted form of "revolution" so that you can still decide what is or isn't a revolution. And of course your definition is always going to be "directly impacts the life of poor/average people" which is a retarded definition of revolution.
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>>323776534
>mfw I'm white, poor, and can't get a job anywhere
fuck everything
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>>323777194
>Exosphere
You're one of THOSE fuckers, i see.
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That's stupid as fuck. At one point, computers were expensive. Cars were expensive before Henry Ford, and look at it now.
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>>323777508
I am not talking about Princess Toadstool.
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>>323777193
I haven't seen anyone causing a revolution over iphones yet.

>>323777457
Actually, free health service in scandinavia is an extaggerated lie perpetrated by socialists. You still have to pay your own medicine and 20% of medical fees.
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>>323777637
>mfw I'm white, poor, and can't get a job anywhere
>live very pleasant on welfare
Sorry about your shit non socialist country.
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It'll get obviously get cheaper you stupid asshole, like literally every technology we use today has

"hurr how are cellphones revolutionary if only rich people can afford them" - you, circa 1993
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>>323776534
The ironic thing is that last one is actually only true for minorities - white people never get a job "for being white", yet legally companies are literally forced in the US to hire blacks for being black and women for being women.
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That's true, computer didn't change the face of finance and turn the tide of war at all when they were created.
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>>323777815
>being proud to be on welfare
socialists, what would we do without them?
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>>323775951
If something is inaccessible to the poor, it's probably not revolutionary but it can still definitely be radical
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Why, that quote is such horseshit I believe it deserves another direct response.

For every one invention or innovation that made it to the general public and stuck, there's ten just like it that predate it and failed specifically because the general public either wasn't ready for it, it didn't serve their needs, or they outright refused it.

Very few technological breakthroughs are discovered and mass-accepted "on the spot", most of them succeeded either through decades and lifetimes of dedicated R&D, were accepted for a role other than its original intention, or because it favored/challenged certain powers and they forced it on or away from the public through your typical political deceptive fuckery.
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>>323776534
I like when people pretend like this SJW shit actually makes a significant difference to the world.
It's just a trend, it'll go away when it stops being trendy. The governments of the world won't actually listen to whining, American college students in any genuine capacity.
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>>323777732
We don't. Are you high? We have to pay for a cream and paracetamol, but cancer medicine and experimental ALS stuff and shit like that, no. That's free. Doctors appointment, going to the emergency room and so on. Free free free, fuck I'd hate to be burger.
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>>323777873
>white people never get a job for being white
You've been a sheltered child
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>>323776446
>nigger detected
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>>323777947
The funny thing is, i'm not a socialist, i'm just a temporarily poor millionaire capitalist. But who am i to refuse the gullible people's charity? Winners take what losers offer them.
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>>323777260
Fuck off, you just did the same thing he did.
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>>323777873
Affirmative Action was done with long ago. It still happens sometimes, but it's unofficial.
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>>323778020
No, you were.
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I'm a poorfag, but in a rich country, which means my schizo neet bucks can easily pay for a new gaming rig and vr, at least if I quit smoking weed for a few months. Really sucks to be living in a socialist hellhole, I can't work but have everything I want and every opportunity I could wish for. Vote Bernie.
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Anything ground breaking is eventually available to the poor. The most destitute of people can buy a supercomputer to carry in their pocket, and most of them buy several because they fall for the marketing.
Once VR is economic and actually works it'll be everywhere.

Also, people keep trying to pretend that Oculus Rift is VR. It's not, not even remotely. It's a special kind of screen, that's all it is. It's a step toward VR, but ultimately it'll be to VR as a monitor is to PC gaming.
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>>323778060
Hey tumblr! Guess what, tourist? If you get triggered by something as basic as a slur, then you don't belong on this site.
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>>323776652
Three of those things will be accessible to the poor in the near future
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>>323778105
DUDE WEED LMAO
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>>323777990
>but cancer medicine and experimental ALS stuff and shit like that, no. That's free. Doctors appointment, going to the emergency room
All lies, at least in Norway and Denmark. Granted, it's not wallet ripping prices, but you still have to pay about 55-100$ for a visit to emergency health services like "akutten"

And then there's the denist prices that actually do destroy your finances
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>>323777978
Minorities getting a free pass isnt going away, whites being judged harshly isnt going away, race mixing being pushed isnt going away, gender becoming nonbinary isnt going away.

The fall of western civilization is happening before our eyes but you are insisting that no, its fine, its just a fad and will go away. Obviously it isnt going to become a police state where transagiist nonbinary gender fluid hunt down and imprison cis white males or females like those greentexts from a few years back, but its only getting worse as the years pass.
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>>323777582
>EVERY major step forward in technology or any real progress in anything is held by a powerful minority at first before it becomes mainstream.
That's exactly what he said, how about you try reading past the second sentence.

The thing is, this "revolution" is only seen when you start taking the thing in question as a given.
VR isn't revolutionary. Yet. It won't be revolutionary if it flops.
Actually, it's not even as impressive as all the technology jumps we had before. Everyone can at least vaguely imagine how it works now, unlike with, say, TV when those were invented.
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poor people should LITERALLY just buy more money
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>>323776790
This will probably the stupidest statement I'll encounter all month.
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>>323775951
I regards to VR specifically, I think this is accurate.

I've been in a really high quality VR when I was a teenager, but it had an hour wait line and was 25 dollars a go. It was it's own rig, but it was so expensive the dual installation vanished soon from the establishment. Probably after the initial fascination wore off enough to not outweigh the cost and wait to play it.

It was never a question of tech or execution. Such things existed it in the past. The issue is the cost relegated it as a rich kid's toy, and thus not revolutionary.
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>>323778207
>like those greentexts
Post them. They sound hilarious
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>>323776790
>beyond a bit of research

FTL would revolutionize our understanding of physics and open up an entire can of worms that would put this planet on mental breakdown. That is if it suddenly possible. If we did the research before hand and MADE FTL, then most sciences will follow suit, therefore it already was revolutionary to begin with.

Seriously, anon, it's like you didn't think this through.
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>>323778083
If you don't think resume's with ethnic sounding names are sent to the bottom of the pile in many workplaces you are lacking work experience and ignorant of the studies that have been conducted
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>>323778207
>gender becoming nonbinary
You think this is actually happening?
Seriously?
You know that one "die cis scum" "woman"? She grew out of it, she admitted it was a phase. That's just one extreme example.
These are just college students who are bored, they don't make any difference in the world. Sure, Europe is being raped by immigrants, but that is completely unrelated to the FemFrequency stoolpit. That's an entirely different problem with different causes and consequences.

There are lots of problems in the world, but fat, American college students with purple died hair too much lipstick and way too much free time are not one of them. This SJW shit is literally a fucking fad and will fade away, just like the "games are too violent" shit did.
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>>323777209
Computers were made complicated by whitey so real nigga don't get a job
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>>323776790
>some fuckup crackheads can't use it, therefore it's useless
:D
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Why must /pol/, stormfront and tumblr use /v/ as their battlegrounds? I'm getting so tired of this incessant shitposting and memearguing that nobody will "win"

When will they realize, that to fight their internet nemesis, they had to become unbearable cancer themselves and now everyone outside their gang wars hate them?
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>>323778376
>j-just ignore it and it will go away

Which is actually true, but everyone refuses to fucking ignore it.
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>>323777216
To be fair, nuclear weapons were very accessible to poor people. They were just on the business end of them.

In reality the OP is just some unfalsifiable hogwash that doesn't actually mean anything. It's basically impossible for some large development or new technology to not affect the poor in some fashion, therefore everything is radical and revolutionary.
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>>323778451
As for the average joe? Is it useless if the average joe cannot use it?

>>323778484
They're like the online version of Crips and Bloods.
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>>323778201
Well I stand corrected on whether or not anything has be paid in NORWAY, but it's far less than you claim, almost like a symbolic gesture, and there is a limit to how much you can be forced to pay in a year.

But you are factually wrong on Denmark, sorry senpai, 100% wrong.

Dentist prices are merely annoying.
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>>323778376
You dont get it do you? For every person like her, theres a dozen who actually believe it and hold it true and continue to influence others. Just like whe /v/ pretends to be retarded and then drags in real retards who then drag in their real retard friends and worsens the state of this board. Theres already nonbinary public bathrooms
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>>323778236
>he thing is, this "revolution" is only seen
Eat shit.

When an entire industry, field, or whatever is changed/improved forever, it doesn't matter how it's "seen."

There's major revolutions in science and technology where the rest of the field actively fights or rejects it.

I really don't think of these small VR sets as being particularly revolutionary. There's no real new technology involved at all, and I used bigger, bulkier VR equipment years ago. But whether it's revolutionary isn't up to what it's seen as by average fucks, it's about how it's actually changing/improving things.
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>>323778484
They are entitled to the whole site in their minds

Moot made a grave mistake giving them a containment board. You cannot expect these animals to respect our culture.
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>>323778236
VR technology in itself isn't revolutionary, in the end it's just high resolution displays strapped to your head, but it's application will be.

Imagine a world in which you can be everywhere and do everything through vr. Feel like studying, why not enroll in a VR lecture? Psychological problems, I dunno, be it fear of heights, spiders, whatever.. or something serious like PTSD, how about systematic desensiilization in vr. Want to learn to drive a car, why not practice this shit in VR. Want to become a surgeaon, why not VR..

My point is, I can think of thousands of fields VR will revolutionize, be it healthcare, education, training for all kinds of industry or just plain fun. Make no mistake the future is VR.
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>>323776283
Why not just say white people
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>>323777947
>being a wage slave at Mickey dee
But at least you have a job right?
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>>323778505
>everyone

Clickbaiting websites is not "everyone." Shits a freak show. People gawk but, in the end, it doesn't affect them.
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All these posts and no one brings up the point of defining "poor".

A "poor" american can technically afford a VR device assuming they have a minimum wage job, works 24/7 and a shit apartment.

A "poor" african can't afford a VR device because they neither the infrastructure to even service the device nor a wage that comes close to 1/4 of a minimum wage pay of an american.
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>>323776790
FTL was really a bad example to get your point across.
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>>323778561
We'll see in ten years, anon.
My prediction? The Tumblrverse will pull a complete 180 and make racism and sexism fashionable. Eventually even black women will be given the right to be transphobic, and after that they won't even be transphobic, they'll just be black.
It's about as likely as anything else in that retarded echo box of a community.
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>>323778597
You're talking about direct brain interfacing. VR is just flash in the pan bullshit that can't go anywhere.
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>>323778653
You're assuming it's possible to have decent, structured debates on /v/.
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>>323776452
yes it does.
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>>323778597
I'm not saying it WILL flop. I highly doubt it and don't want it to happen.
But can it already be considered revolutionary? No, it haven't accomplished shit yet.
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>>323778653
who cares about poor africans? real talk, lots of people risk their life over there trying to give kids a proper education, hopefully inspire them to something better besides resorting to piracy, but how many actually follow through?
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>>323778709
I mean, they're already doing what 4chan used to do last decade. And the Steven Universe fanbase is using "-coded" to describe Gems based on stereotypes, which is basically a codeword for being prejudiced as all get out.
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>>323778710
VR is a stepping stone stone along the way to neural interfaces, which are very, very far away

Certainly not a flash in the pan
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>>323778653
Your horrible and sheltered definition of poor notwithstanding... VR will still affect africans in so far as it will reduce the amount of white people who go there to pose with pre-shot endangered species.
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>>323778653
Africans aren't poor, they're a different category.
You have to live in a first world country to be poor. Poor people can afford cheap, processed food and tap water, and even, against all logic, a big TV and a PS4.
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>>323778828
VR has absolutely nothing to do with neural interfacing.

You might as well try to say walking is a stepping stone to the internal combustion engine.
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>>323776991
>no one could afford a seafaring ship on their own, but what did it make possible?
A bunch of poor people building and being the crew for the ship owned by a rich person.
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>>323775951
But every piece of new tecmology is expensive, anon. And "poor" is relative.
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>>323778828
>neural interfaces, are very, very far away

mostly because no one is developing them.
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>>323778171
I really do hope self driving cars catch on as quickly as smartphones did. It would save countless lives.
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When are we going to invent a device to wipe out the Chinese and Indians?
Some kind of bomb that is triggered by rape or public defecation, perhaps.
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>>323778903
VR is a more immersive and interactive means of experiencing media. Neural interfaces are the most immersive and interactive means of experiencing media.

It's distant, but it's definitely on the same tech tree
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>>323779108
You mean like antibiotic resistant bacteria that can only thrive in water supplies that are 90% sewage that people still bathe in?
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>>323779205
That's too dangerous for the rest of the world. Also, it couldn'y wipe out the whole population before they adapt to it.
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>>323778353
Nope. The only interest in companies is to hire the worker who will return the most profit. And that is based on previous experience and education.
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>>323779108
>when are we going to bomb the guys that owns my house?
Never. Plus indian food is good stuff, I'm saving that shit.
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>>323779194
>tech tree

Nigger life is not a goddamn RTS. Since there are zero technologies in "strapping phone to face" that are related to "direct neural interface," they're as related as driving and space travel. Read: only retards with zero understanding of either will see them as remotely similar.
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>>323775951
> nuclear weaponry is not revolutionary because it's not available to the poor, despite ushering in a new age of cold warfare between the east and west

Shit definition desu senpai baka
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>>323779287
Keep the rich chinks and pooloos, get rid of literally all of the others.
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>>323779250
Nigga you can't adapt to MRSA.
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>>323779374
Okay Trump
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>>323775951

Good to see that 90% of technological progress is not worth it since poor rednecks can't get it
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>>323779205

Disease won't kill off the Pajeets. Their immune systems have to be impenetrable after generations of living inside of a giant toilet.
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>>323779374
Fair enough, then.
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>>323779428
Through heavy mutation and lack of loos I'm sure they could adapt to anything.
The indian race will have superpowers by 2030.
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>>323779250
The rest of the world's water supply isn't 90% sewage, desu.
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>>323775951
Good thing leftist free-thinkers weren't around before 1900s
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>>323775951

Nukes are radical and revolutionary and you still can't buy them ~80 years later.
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>>323778835

What's horrible about the definition? It's is a simple comparison that's fairly accurate.

>>323778856

Are you implying there are no rich africans then?
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>>323779572
Africa is owned by China and America.
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>>323778559
>10k kr
>Annoying
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>>323779572
>africans is poor cuz they make a fourf of muricans

So either americans are making and surviving on less than 40 cents a day or you're an idiot.
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>>323779285
In a perfect world that would be true. You can't just debunk the existence of a well studied (and honestly pretty obvious to anyone over the age of 16) phenomenon by saying "nope". Companies are run by humans. Things like emotion and bias factor into their decisions.
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>>323779560
A person doesn't need to be able to launch an ICBM to be affected by them.

Hence the reason the OP statement is just meaningless bullshit. As its impossible to not be affected by a huge advance in technology.
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>>323779687
> Things like emotion and bias factor into their decisions.
We're working hard to ensure that doesn't happen though.
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>Be a poor american
>Defend the elite's rights to rip off all poor people
>Fight the government so that the wealthy won't get taxed on MY behalf, while schools, health care, public roads and all turn to shit
>At least i have guns
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>>323776991
>hey, dummy, no one could afford a seafaring ship on their own, but what did it make possible?
Seafaring ships like Galleons and what not weren't revolutionary or radical. They built on pre-existing knowledge of boats.
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>>323779776
You'll be a millionaire one day so all your fighting for millionaire rights will come to fruition.
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>>323779374
desu this should be true for everyone. White trash, ghetto trash, gook trash. Kill 'em all. We don't need poor criminal scum on our fair society. Besides, from a practical point of view, when did someone poor ever invent or improve society instead of taking from it? Poor people really are the cancer of society and i can't wait until the middle class wakes up and start hunting down this filth. Survival of the fittest, and they failed before they were born.
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>>323776446
How did you even find an internet capable device in niggertown?
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>>323779905
Go to bed Trump
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>>323779905
Difference between America and India is that the poor hold up the rich.
The poor in India live in feces.
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>>323779687
Im not american, so i cant realy talk about the us. But thats how it is in my country, and i cant imagine it beeing much different in the us, makes no sense.
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Left-wing faggots.

The lot of you.
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>>323775951
What fucking retard said that to justify their financial status?

Literally every piece of new technology that has revolutionized the world has been extremely inaccessible at the start, fucking every single one.

Fuck the poor.
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To be honest, so far it looks nothing more than a pointless gimmick. Sorta like 3D television which nobody even remembers anymore. And i'm seriously doubting any sane developer will invest time and money into making a VR-exclusive games when they barely add any new mechanics while requiring an advanced piece of tech most of the core gamers won't even be able to afford at least for a few years and by that point hype will already die.

It's not oriented on normalfags like Wii and all vr-exclusive shit shown so far was between mediocre and horrible. That VR presentation on PS Experience was one of the cringest, absolutely worst things i've ever seen on sony conferences.
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>>323779325
>life is not an RTS
it kind of is. Technologies don't just get invented one day out of nowhere. They build on what came before

Strapping a display in front of your eyes if very different than interacting directly with a brain, true. But some of the things you learn in the process of strapping a display in front you face help you when you eventually try to figure out how to interact directly with a brain. Studying things like how the head and eyes move around to create a mental image of the surroundings one is presented with will be relevant for creating simulated signals interpretable by the visual cortex
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>>323779776

>institutionalized theft of wealth by threat of violence on MY behalf!
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>>323780012
That can't be right, our allies redpilled us after all
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Honestly I think this is just worded poorly. Its more so that things that are not beneficial to poor people as well are not revolutionary.

Which is a much more reasonable and far reaching way to put it. VR would still be revolutionary under that definition as it pushes games forward and makes games move towards more immersive worlds that you can still enjoy without a screen strapped to your face.

Almost everything ever helps the poor or those that can't afford it either eventually or through alternative means (like cars and automobiles pushing forward public transportation).

There are plenty of inventions that don't fall into this category, especially luxury goods and expenditures, so it still gets that edgy "FUCK RICH PEOPLE" this person was going for.
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>>323780043
VR exclusive games will most likely be indie titles only, since the market is very niche. But adding VR support will most likely get common within the next 7 years.
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>>323775951
>ballistic missiles are not radical
>ballistic missiles are not revolutionary
this sentence is shit - even if you print it out, hang on the wall and take a good photo.
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>>323775951
Once they hit mass production VR shit will probably have much cheaper material costs then 40" TVs

Kind of like how smartphones are vastly cheaper then actual laptops in poointhelooistan
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>>323780104
You mean the same kind of theft of wealth that happens when an employer takes most of the wealth generated by his workers?
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Did people really expect VR to be $300 or something? Maybe in 5 years.
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>>323780104
This. We need a free society where the wealthy job creators can continue making our capitalist utopia. That's why Anarchy is the best social form because it makes it impossible for jews to abuse us
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>>323779767
We don't always succeed.

>>323779687
I don't understand which post you are agreeing with. If you are implying that in your country companies are perfect and always do what is logical and fair then whether you're in switzerland or somalia lol no I'm afraid it's not true
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>>323780207

Oh dear, he's retarded.
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>>323780217
DK2 was $350
DK2 was $350
DK2 was $350
DK2 was $350
DK2 was $350
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>cars weren't revolutionary
>steel wasn't revolutionary
>airplanes weren't revolutionary
>fucking space stations aren't revolutionary
>if I can't have it, neither can you :^)
can't we just kill all the poor?
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>>323775951
>butthurt poor people thinking they can change the definition of words
Typical NIGGERS.
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>trains were neither radical nor revolutionary
TOP
KEK
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>>323780237
meant for >>323779994
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>>323780207
>Work for me, and i'll give you 1% of our earnings
>Give me money, or i will hurt you
YEAH TOTS THE SAME
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>>323780012
if it wasn't for left wing people then you'd be dead

because you're a gay homo
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>>323780223

>extremist black & white argument
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>>323778719
Atomic bombs for everyone!
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fuck off reddit sjw retards
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>>323780303
>Jew lover
Out protecting your interests, Goldbergswartzstein?
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>>323780294

If it were up to left-wing people I'd have no gun to defend myself if I were gay.

Checkmate, Atheists.
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>>323780285
>Work for me and get 1% of our earnings or you'll die of starvation in the streets
Yeah, sounds the same to me.
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>>323780261
>can't we just kill all the poor?
Do you understand economics?
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>>323779194
That point is defeated by the same fucking point as the one you quoted. Walking and internal combustion engines are both means of transports, doesn't mean they are in related.
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>>323780252
Those were dev kits. They wanted as many people as possible making games for it.
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>>323780307
*tips cowboy-ish hat*
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The problem with VR isn't the technology, it's the lack of decent exclusive content.

Every single VR game could easily have a competent non-VR game port.

Developers would have to be financially suicidal to develop games exclusively for VR when the install base is so small compared to everybody else. Oh sure, they're saying right now that they are VR exclusive, but that's just part of their funding agreement with Facebook - it'll be timed exclusives at best.

With all of VR's content rendered non-exclusive, what exactly will be the selling point of VR to normies, who always follow the path of least resistance?

Hell, what will be the selling point to hardcore gamers? You could spent $599 US dollars on a VR headset or you could put that $599 US dollars towards a insanely powerful graphic card that would give better visuals and frames on a normal monitor.

Path of least resistance people, and VR ain't on it.
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>>323780272
>Cannot understand philosophical statement and takes every word literally
Typical AUTISM
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>>323780368
Walking is not a technology nigger
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>>323780352
if it were up to left wing people you wouldn't have to defend yourself, gay homo. straights would
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>>323780367
I think there's a bit more to be concerned with when it comes to genocide than ":economics".
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>>323775951
VR has been around for decades, how can it still be revolutionary?
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>>323780359
Is this faggot saying it's the resourceful man's duty to keep the helpless scum alive?
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>>323780043
It's literally not too difficult to implement and can definitely catch on given actual attempts. And with the different ways VR is being presented and pursued I think it might actually catch on.

If anything augmented reality displays are going to become a thing because of it. Outside of LEL NSA google glass is actually super fucking cool and useful and microsoft and google are both trying to come out with similar products but as a full set instead of a small square in the corner.

It costs next to nothing to get VR to work in standard games (unless its PS4 and Morpheus which is a completely different ballgame) and the technology is being advanced in many forms and differing areas. But for the next few years yeah it'll be mostly gimmicky shit, I mean the same thing happened with phones and accelerometers and shit and now they can tell the distance from the ground and the fucking angle accurately and record near exact coordinates in pictures (including angle of camera etc)

Its a promising technology to say the least.
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>>323780397
>Philosophical
>WAAAAAH item x IS NOT statement y BECAUSE IM A POOR SHIT
oooh deep!

btw i love being white
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>>323779450
90% of technological progress isn't revolutionary. Thousands of tiny discoveries are made every year with barely any practical widespread use.
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>>323780330
This. /v/ is stormfront turf and the gateway to white nation power whenever or not butthurt liberals want to believe or not!
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>>323780451
The "resourceful man" can't do all the thousands of jobs that need to be done by himself.
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>>323780442
Computers were around for decades before they became revolutionary
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>>323780367
Yes, the world is vastly overpopulated anyway.
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>>323775951
Do these people knew shit like books and cars where inaccessible to the poor in the beginning?
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>>323780438
Not really
>Kill all poor
>Free up billions of tons of food
>No more filthy junkies, criminals or foreigners in our prisons
>Government debt would basically be eradicated with welfare abolished
Sounds great to me
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>>323780349

>behaving like a 12 year old
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>>323780367
A better idea would be to kill the impoverished.
Poor people work hard to support society, the truly impoverished work hard to not die from parasitic infestation.
Just wipe all the starving Africans out, it'll do the world a lot of good.
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>>323780467
>t. 1/35424324636 norse rapesp.. ARYAN anglo!
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>>323780592
You wouldn't have enough people or knowledge left to run a society. It would collapse.
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>>323780592
>nobody left to do all the important work like harvesting food, making clothes, building houses
Rich/mid-classes won't do this shit and you know it
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>>323780508

Extremist black and white arguments everywhere.

>"You're not 100% one way? WELL YOU MUST BE 1000% IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!"
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>>323780592
who will harvest the food
who will process it
who will distribute it
who will cook it
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>>323780649
Not everyone is as lazy as you, Schlomo.
>>
So according to this logic, going to the moon was not revolutionary.
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>>323779560
>The cost to produce a Minuteman, the only land-based ICBM currently in service in the United States, is $7 million
That's a pittance for a nation. Even a poor nation could afford to buy a nuke, if they were for sale.
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>>323780527
Computers were always revolutionary, they just became cheaper and more widespread.

VR hasn't changed anything since it existed.
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>>323776817
>heated toilet seat with bidets aren't going to set the world on fire since they're too expensive for the average joe.
Really? Getting good ones can cost less than $200.

Who seriously doesn't have a heated toilet seat with a bidet yet?
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>>323780509
And that's why he offers someone to work for him. If you rather not work at all and starve, then that's on you, not him. Don't like it? Start up your own business. Take the risks or go home. Shame 99% refuse to take any risks, but that's not our problem
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>>323780701
You literally don't even understand what an economy is
literally
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>>323780708
>what is inflation
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>>323780689
>>323780649
>>323780646
Robots, you retard. This isn't 1400s. Tech can replace poor people. And it's cheaper too
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>>323780689
Robots that will be made once cultural marxists are eliminated. That way scientists won't be shamed and their achievements discredited due to some landwhale with sand in her vag finding someone's shirt offensive.
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>>323780085
> They build on what came before
And nothing in "strapping phone to face" can be built into neural interface.

You're an idiot.
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>>323780261
>cars weren't revolutionary
>steel wasn't revolutionary
>airplanes weren't revolutionary
>Poor people can't afford these things

>fucking space stations aren't revolutionary
>A grand total of 10 people, maybe, live in space stations
>Revolutionary
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>>323780763
>literally
reddit
(You)
Can you find the hidden message, /v/edditor?
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>>323780641

>cucked Germanic writhes in agony, belting out it's final cries and screams of pain while it's race, nations, and culture die to the brown scourge they imported into their own nations.

>the anglo continues ruling the world as always.
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>>323780686
It's true you nig. 4chan and stormfront are close allies. This is anonymous's political leaning whenever or not it scares you. Deal fucking with it. Anon has spoken. And we sure as hell ain't no fucking sjw
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>>323776790
DUDE COMMUNISM LMAO
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>>323780638
A+
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>>323780804
Scientists wouldn't be able to invent anything because the rich wouldn't give them any funding.
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>>323780878
DUDE MAYMAYS LOL
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>new technology is expensive
Wow.
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>>323780638
We need a rule that if by your 5th birthday you haven't seen currency then you get the axe.
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>>323780721
>Bidet
I never understood how they work. When i was in Europe, i tried one, but couldn't flush my shit down the drain. It just lay there pitifully. What's the point of that stupid shit anyway?
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>>323780864

>being a fucking 12 year old

Yeah and I bet your dad works for Nintendo.
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>>323780792
>Tech can replace poor people
If it can replace poor people it can just as easily replace rich people.
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>>323777978
>It's just a trend, it'll go away when it stops being trendy.
People have been saying this for over half a decade now and it's been continually growing stronger the entire time
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>>323780890
The rich is the ones funding them now, commieshitter. This meme hate towards the rich needs to fucking stop. Everything ever invented was funded by the wealthy. Not all good though, the wealthy also funds welfare for stupid niggers like you
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>>323780726
I don't like it. Rather than starting my own business and perpetuating the rigged game capitalism which mostly fails at incentivizing actual tangible economic production and instead rewards rent seeking, speculation, and plain old fuckery I will advocate for a better system.
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>>323780649
>Rich/mid-classes won't do this shit and you know it meme
Harvesting food and building houses ARE middle class jobs.
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>>323780957

DUDE COMMUNISM LMAO
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>>323780859
>anglo continues ruling the world as always.
About that, anon... Things have changed since the 1800s i'm afraid
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>>323781039
That's how trends work. They grow and grow until eventually they hit a point where the bubble pops and suddenly it's not popular anymore.
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>>323780845
I literally cited an example of the kind of knowledge that crosses over
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>>323777457
>Being this fucking ignorant.
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>>323780985
It's true. Just go read their threads about cuckchan. They practically own this shitty site and is saving it from jewish marxist influence
Nice arguement though
>ur 12!
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>>323781096

Different pattern, same colors.
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>>323780709
>Computers were always revolutionary
The first computers were the size of a house and slower than a retarded 5 year old at doing calculations.
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>>323776279
Nuclear weapons you fucking shit for brains
>>
>glue two screens to your face
>call it VR
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>>323781119
Not all trends

Abolitionism was a trend at one point. Now it's just the status quo
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>>323780980
It sprays a jet of water to wash shit from your asshole and taint, it's more effective at cleaning than wiping alone.
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>>323781096
1800s were ruled by France, dummy
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>>323780768
70 million is a pittance for a nation. Even a poor nation could afford to buy a nuke, if they were for sale.
Also, what is improvements of technology making them cheaper.
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>>323781023
>robot overlords actually become a thing
I'm scared, /v/...
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>>323781050
>rigged game capitalism which mostly fails
Yeah, that's why new businesses always fail. OH WAIT.
Like the psuedo babble though, makes you seem slightly less dumb.
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>>323781229
I don't really see how that compares at all.
Or, if you were implying slavery was a good thing at any point in history then you're baiting.
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>>323781278
>Yeah, that's why new businesses always fail. OH WAIT.
The vast majority of them do.
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>>323781254
>Butthurt frog trying to imply relevancy
K E K
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>>323775951
>what are cell phones

Fuck you cringey poorfags

Is there anything more pathetic than saying "feel the bern"?
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>>323776790
>beyond a bit of research?
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>>323775951
I don't agree with your picture, but VR is not in any way revolutionary
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>>323781045
But your meme hate towards the poor is just fine and dandy, right?
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>>323781332
>He has never heard of Napoleon 1 and 3
Indeed the toppest of the keks
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>>323781334
Every person in any first world country owns or has immediate access to a cellphone. Even the poorest.
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>>323781172
And yet murrianglos and britcucks hate each other more than anything else.
Though i bet it's the vile australian behind the bad relationship
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>>323780792
Nigger robots can't even run a McDonalds right, each attempt has been a colossal failure.

Robots are better suited for replacing fine tasks and skilled work, which are predominantly good paying jobs, and even then that has to be the same task every single time.

You literally cannot automate a majority of low paying jobs because they aren't a uniform method of work. You are drastically over estimating what technology does or can do.

Even so if you could automate a majority of work money would be essentially worthless and we would have to redefine a majority of what we consider economics to be today.A majority of our society is based on going to work and earning money to raise offspring, what the fuck happens when there is no more work to do because robots just do all of it? How would we structure an economy that isn't based around work?

Now realize that all this shit is probably something we are going to have to deal with in our lifetimes, a world where people don't need to work is a scary place to be.

>Also implying you wouldn't be culled with the poor

You are literally lower class until you are making like 80-100k on your own.
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>>323781237
Oh, i thought it was a baby toilet
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>>323780641
I'm Irish. Now what? I'm so white that sweaters and shirts dont look gangster on me. Take that, niggcuck.
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>>323781440
>each attempt has been a colossal failure.
Because poor people are too uneducated and stupid to figure out what button to press.

Why are you defending this filth? Are you one of them?
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>>323781440
>80-100k
A week? A month? A year?
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>>323781456
I will never understand why Americans never embraced the bidet.
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>>323781509
You say "uneducated" like it's a character flaw. Good education costs money, and if you don't have money to begin with, you can't get it.
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>>323781376
It's not a meme when there's actual good reason behind it.

Poor people are a drain, wealthy people are the growth.

>>323781496
>Irish
>Literally the rapespawns of norse conquest
>So cucked your capital had to be constructed by the norse race
Enjoy your Dylfin
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>>323781278
New business do almost always fail. The one's that don't fail aren't necessarily the ones with the best product, or the most competitive prices.. It's usually just the ones with the most startup capital.

Pseudo babble is probably not the term you were looking for, by the way. Babble is that which is meaningless, Pseudo babble would be something that seems meaningless but is not. You fail even at hurling petty insults.
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>>323781598
>wealthy people are the growth
Because they totally just shit all that wealth out of their assholes with no help from anyone else, amirite?
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>>323781594
Then get a fucking part time job you lazy piece of shit.
>b-b-b-b-b-but nobody will hire me!
Then work in fucking charity and build up references and resume you lazy piece of shit

How do you even think people survived back in the golden days? They WORKED HARD for it
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>>323775951
What matters isn't about wealth what matters is if it effects society
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>>323781306
What?

All I am saying is that sometimes movements become accepted
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>>323781685
>How do you even think people survived back in the golden days?
They found jobs much, much more easily than nowadays, that's how.
>>
Well, enough shitposting and bants from me. Imma go play some vidya.
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>>323780592

>kill all poor
>nobody is buying a cheap, massproduced shit or food anymore
>there are no "we want to be a middle class" people anymore, so noone is buying middle range priced shit (cars, houses, TV, furniture, electronics, vacations, etc, etc, etc)
>revenues from selling taxes, as well as other non-direct taxes plumeted
>revenues from income tax plumeted when rich moved their money to different country with better taxation scheme
>government debt skyrocketing due to spending on army, police, infrastructure that was previously funded from mass-taxation
>economy goes into shit, which makes rich people to siphon even more of their money from the country
>this cause the economy goes into deeper shit
>state is turned into 3rd world style feudal shithole where local bigwigs are living in gold-plated masons surrounded by piles of trash and shit (nobody is doing a low-paid job like trash collection, remember?)

Son, the substantial amount of poor are needed for every country, because they are easy to milk of their money and therefore are much better en masse source of income than rich which are smart and know how to hide their wealth from taxes
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ITT BERNIE POORFAGS BEING BTFO
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>>323781685
>back in the golden days
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>>323781658
Pretty much. Got an idea? Make it happen. You don't "owe" shit to people you pay for a service. If they don't like the pay, then they can fuck off. There's plenty other fish in the sea that would love to work.
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>>323781735
This isn't really comparable.
Ending American slavery was a positive social change that addressed and actual issue.
Tumblr whining for Samus not being a tranny is not even remotely the same thing.
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>>323781598
bet I can drink you under the table
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>Would this prove that VR is not revolutionary?
No, Oculus Rift CV1 is not synonymous with all VR devices at all points in time
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>>323781023
It can actually more reliably replace higher skilled work than lower skilled work, so it would actually more easily replace rich people.

>Implying you can reliably replace work in which people have to do different shit every day all the goddamn time to get by

Explain to me how you could replace construction workers with robots, because you literally can't (Differences in buildings, multiple specialized tasks usually handled by an individual now has to all be done by a single machine, etc)

Machines in production facilities are literally specialized one to maybe a couple tasks only, your average walmart grunt stocks shelves, cleans up, jumps on register, sorts loads from trucks, and interracts with people. How the fuck are you gonna replace him with robots nigga, the closest we have gotten is Amazon's stock room robots but that is just warehouse shit.
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>>323781598
>poor people are a drain, wealthy people are the growth

You have that literally backwards. Poor people create wealth with their labor. Wealthy people use their wealth to suck up more wealth through rent seeking
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Anything tumblr or twitter says should be totally ignored
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>>323781835
So you can have your way with my pure body i bet. Typical poorfag mentality. Always wanting to abuse the beautiful superior elite.
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>>323775951

Obviously.

It hasn't been revolutionary until the poor have access.

Until then it has the potential to be revolutionary.

If only people learned to speak English before they tried to meme in this language, we wouldn't have to deal with retarded questions like this.
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>>323781737
took me much less than 5minutes
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>>323781825
You owe laborers the existence of the business, moron. Why the fuck are you hiring them if they are supposedly so insignificant to the enterprise. They ARE the ones that make it happen
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>>323781023
Except it's the wealthy who decide what gets replaced. And we're veeeery protective of our wealth.

Should have majored in business now, eh, liberal arts fag?
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>>323781909
Yeah and our offspring will have perma Greek god bodies while being able to stomach a barrel of Guiness. Now come here
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>>323781983
where is the meme source to this image?
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>>323781685
People didn't so much as survive in the "golden days" as they killed themselves so their kids wouldn't have to. Those kids were the babyboomers. The boomers didn't do shit for their kids.
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>>323781986
I guess heavy industry owes their businesses to robots and IT software then. Why not give those things more money and rights?
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>>323781164
You do know the average age of /pol/ users is in the high schol area, right?
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>>323775951

>airplanes aren't accessible to the poor
>airplanes aren't radical or revolutionary

It just radically shortened distances throughout the world
No big fucking deal

God I hate leftism
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>>323780864
this post was painful to read
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>>323782089
>MUH BOOMERS
How to tell when a gen x took a shitty major.
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>>323781546
A year. From passive income.
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>>323782109
Studies done on /pol/ shows that the average age is 25. And average finished education is college.
But i guess those studies must be fake right, or they'll destroy your narrative.
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>>323781829
You think they are wrong. They think they are right. (by the way that's not their argument. I dont' know what it is but that's not it). History will decide. Trends either are accepted or they are not, it will depend on a lot of factors. All I am saying is you cannot just say "all trends die out because that is what trends do".If you disagree with someone you have to actually make an argument as to why, they're not just going to go away because you think they're dumb
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>>323782093
>I guess heavy industry owes their businesses to robots and IT software then.
Who do you think makes them?
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>>323781440
>You are literally lower class until you are making like 80-100k on your own.
Where the fuck do you live that middle class starts at 80k
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>>323782143
So you hear about boomers a lot from your genx parents, is what you're saying.
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>>323782202
Looks like he didn't need your image, he'll get those you's with ease.
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>>323782216
>Studies done on /pol/
>on /pol/
lmao jesus christ
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>>323782245
Major American cities like New York.
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>>323780864
I swear this post is a falseflag- hold that thought for a moment.

>>323782216
Here's your (You). You earned it, man. You really did.
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>>323782245
The modern first world.
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>>323782216
>studies
>strawpolls
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>>323782216
(you)
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>>323782032
image: wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_in_the_United_States

data: bureau of labor statistics
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
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>>323782227
Educated wealthy people.
You don't get some filthy BR or indian to make them.
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>>323782295
/pol/ studies are gallup tier
bretty gud
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>>323781685
>They worked hard for it meme

Yeah before a majority of skilled labor that you would advance into got automated, career advancement fell through the floor, and job prevalence took a dive,

If you really think boomer style american dream "get a job, work, retire" is something that can be gone out and just grabbed if you just "weren't lazy" is still a thing you are fucking retarded.

Not to mention almost all jobs were condensed, back in the day you had a cashier, a stocker, a bagger, a sales associate, and a customer service person. Now they are literally the same guy running back and forth between jobs working HARDER than back in the day, being payed worse by inflation, and have literally no way to ever advance their career past that individual store.
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That statement is bullshit ofcourse, but high cost = low installment which is followed by lack of content which in turn is followed by an even slower growing install base which will slowly make it irrelevant or relevant in 5 years or so.
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>>323782298
Well you see, you're not middle class until you earn 500k a year, since I live in fucking Dubai
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>>323775951
>Computer werent accessible the to poor for a time
>thats means they arent revoulutionary
This makes me mad
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>>323782245

80k is 6k a month
Most non-junior higher education position gives you that
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>>323776790
>what did you revolutionize?
science
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>>323782350
>anything from /pol/
>even remotely correct

yeah sure it's good lmao
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>>323782093
Because those things aren't people? Why am I even responding to someone who obviously a troll, and not even particularly good one

>>323781992
You're gloating in the fact that rich people don't actually produce anything of value for society and have power just because they wanted it. That's pretty sad on many levels

>>323782216
source?
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>>323782339
>bls
not so fast fuccboi
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/08/whats-the-real-unemployment-rate.html
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>Pic related
hahahahahahahahahaha
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I'm on fire today, i'm hoarding (you)s like the top 1%
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>>323782436
both are garbage m8
>gallup
>Gallup tracks daily the percentage of Americans who approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing as president. Daily results are based on telephone interviews with approximately 1,500 national adults; Margin of error is ±3 percentage points.
>telephone calls
>1500k adults
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>>323782514
When was that said?
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>>323782295
where else would you conduct a study of /pol/ you fucking retard?
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>>323781983
How does this prove that boomers didn't have better job prospects and opportunities (both for employment and advancement) than people now?
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>>323782554
Random telephone calls >>>>>>>>>>>> Strawpolls
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>>323782570
Never, it's a fake. But old enough so that people believe it today.
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>>323780407
Tell that to a paraplegic.
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>>323782514
>Admitting to being dumber than a Chinese person.
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>>323781138
No, you reached so hard you broke your own argument.
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>>323782621
nice source lad
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>>323776790
that one nigga could make birrions if he utilized his skill well enough
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>>323782702
Statistics 101
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>ITT
Boy am i glad we have a containment thread so we can leave most vidya threads unmolested
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>>323782621
I'll give you that. Most strawpolls not made by YouTubers are lucky to get a hundred votes.

Larger samples tend to be more precise than smaller samples, since they have a smaller room for error.
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>>323782640
walking is not a technology. Whatever device helps a paraplegic walk would be a technology. I can't tell if you're being serious.
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>>323776790
oh yea and there's that cardboard VR

suck on THAT
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>>323782761
And the whole thing about how strawpolls are not random at all and thus pretty shit at being valid
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>>323782745
>I AM SILLY!
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>>323782473
That furthers proves my point.
Both the U-3 and U-6 unemployment rates are falling.

What the hell are you doing?
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>>323782745
Oh boy a mspaint comic
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>>323782245
Even low income states you need to be earning 40k+ easy before you are even in middle class (as an individual) on the US as a whole 100k-250k is considered middle class.
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>>323782873
Welcome to the average /v/ off topic thread
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>>323782763
neither is strapping a phone to your face.
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>>323782745
>that capitalism explained by socialists square
Literally the foundation of communism is the Marxist analysis of capitalism. You can disagree with it but you can't say it's simplistic.
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>"the poor"
>any replies
Reddit is leaking all over us again.
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>The industrial revolution wasn't radical nor revolutionary because the poor couldn't afford machinery
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>>323782763
Fine. Change the comparison to shoes and internal combustion, I mean if you really really want to be autisticly pedantic.
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>>323782961
No anon, reddit was inside of us all along
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>>323782889
Unemployment rates have nothing to do with what jobs are available to individuals or the ability for them to make careers or really anything out of them.

Not to mention longevity of positions and total hours worked are not taken into regard at ALL in those numbers.
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>>323780392
fuck off no one cares about exlusive content

that guy playing HL2 with a dev kit? that's all i want

fuck all that extra shit
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>>323782696
No, I didn't. Your inability to admit your own argument was small minded and simplistic does not change the fact that vr displays and neural interfaces have similarities in terms of implementation and research
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>>323782897
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class
>Households that earn between $25,000 and $75,000 represent approximately the middle half of the income distribution tables provided by the U.S. Census Bureau.
>Household income distribution
>Middle 33%: $30,000 to $62,500
>Middle 20%: $35,000 to $55,000
Are you guys all trustfund babbies or why have you such a skewed view of reality
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>>323782615
>less than 6.5%
That is irrelevant, 6.5% is probably very close to the US natural rate of unemployement. In reality, anything bellow 15% indicates a healthy economy.
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>>323775951
This fortune cookie thing is pretty clearly making reference to art which claims to be politically radical and revolutionary yet is catered exclusively to an audience of bourgeois elite leftists, which is a pretty real and common trend in the art world.

But anyway, I know you rad /v/sters shit your pants and go running to /pol/ and #Gamer'sGate at the first sign of anything "Tumblr" or "Marxist" or whatever, so I guess go on not bothering to understand the things you're trying to mock.
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>>323776790
>revolutionary === practical???
retard fuck
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>>323783035
2deep4me
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>>323782926
>>323783009
see the last sentence of >>323780085
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>>323783121
>Are you guys all trustfund babbies
can you imagine a single other reason that these people would be extreme right-wing lunatics?
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What do you get out of doing this all day long all week long? Some physical pleasure? Mental gratification?
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>>323783103
Your argument is based in a number of things you don't understand, so because you don't understand them, they're related. Like the eyes and head movements and mentaal images and stuff! cause collecting data on that without any sort of comparison to what is being transmitted across neural pathways will surely lead to neural interfacing!

Your argument is laughable because when any sort of development of neural interfacing begins, they'll be redoing all the shit you think VR development will bring to the development, because that data will be completely meaningless without a neural context.
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>>323783140
>mfw I've been played like a damn fiddle
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>>323783121
Middle class doesn't mean median income you retard and the statistics are from fucking 2005, try again.
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>>323783081
Stop beeing a libtard.
I just proved you the job market is getting better. There is absolutelly no reason to belive in this bullshit you are saying.
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>>323783140
>This fortune cookie thing is pretty clearly making reference to art which claims to be politically radical and revolutionary yet is catered exclusively to an audience of bourgeois elite leftists, which is a pretty real and common trend in the art world.
Which is still irrelevant when you consider how much advocacy for socialism has historically come from the capitalist class. The poor already know why advocating for the poor is important; there's no point preaching to the choir when you could be trying to sway the opinions of the people who actually matter and have the power to do something about it.
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>>323783247

Most trust fund babbys are left wingers though, what are you on about.
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>>323783382
Yeah, I see how your definition of middle class is 'top 1% earners of the country'
And yes of course the median wages have increased by 200% since 2005
Try not to be fucking retarded and spouting things about shit you have no idea about
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>>323783430
>
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>>323783424
>The poor already know why advocating for the poor is important

Republicans.
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>>323783247
>>323783430
Honestly? Most extremists are without a job.
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>>323783282
I didn't say >those things will surely lead to neural interfacing you stupid fucking faggot. I just said it's relevant.

You are honestly just daft if you think there is no conceivable crossover when it comes to immersive virtual environments. It's like saying there's no relation between light bulbs and television displays
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Guys, we're forgetting a very important thing.
VR and Waifus!
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>>323783128
Employment =/= job prospects

You used to have a lot of entry level jobs that you could advance through and make careers out of. The problem with the "just work hard meme" is that the idea is that working hard rewards you, but it fucking doesn't now, because there isn't a promotion for you to get.

Yes there are enough jobs to employ people, but those are all majorly dead end minimum wage jobs that you have to work at for 10 years before you are making a half decent wage. Not to mention that there is a drastically lower amount of full time positions and permanent positions in general than there were during the boomers time.

Unemployment figures literally don't matter, the problem isn't being employed or not, or even being able to find a job. The problem is being able to find a job that you can support yourself and is stable is incredibly difficult compared to back in the day.
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>>323783606
Its not relevant, its a loose parallel that development of neural interfacing will possibly mirror the development of VR in a small way.

The development practices/processes are related, but there is no crossover from VR to neural interfacing.
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>>323783630
VR just means I'll be able to fuck you're waifu.
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>>323783714
didnt obamacare fuck over a lot of workers out of full time?
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>>323783789
You don't know who my waifu is. But you will slip up one day and reveal who yours is. And then we will cuck you first.
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>>323783737
If the creators of neural interfaces can learn anything at all from our collective experience with vr, then it can be said that the technologies are related, however distantly.

This is a stupid argument and I'm done with it. you can have the last word if you want.
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>>323783902
Jokes on you, I don't have a waifu.
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>>323783916
You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>323781172
>not using israeli uzi´s
close, but not a true ameritard
>>323781254
oj alah.
most parts of yurop where under mudslimes back then.
where do you think "the coast is clear" come from....? moors
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>>323783845
No, the employers fucked them over.
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>>323783916
>they're related
Its almost as if that was the point that defeated your original argument at the start of this (you) chain.
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>>323776283
We invented space travel already. But we don't do it anymore precisely because it's way too expensive and inaccessible to large numbers of people. We put a man on the moon and it didn't revolutionize shit.
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>>323784037
Obama confirmed for never playing chess
or looking ahead
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>>323784037

>obamacare makes some employees unprofitable
>this is the employers fault

:^)
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>>323783482
>I don't understand and didn't read about how all of this shit is calculated

Again you are literally retarded and don't seem to understand how fucking drastically cost of living has changed since the early 2000's you do know that the poverty line for your average house is now 25k right?
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>>323784090
>iit's obama's fault i'm an asshole who screws over americans
employers
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Mods need to implement some sorta x numbers of post per minute = auto delete and ban everyone

No way a vidya thread is anywhere near as active as these threads are.
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>>323784150
Well if you were paying an employee so little that giving them healthcare (obamacare, no less) pushed them into unprofitability then you were fucking them over all along
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>>323784268

>I should pay this employee more than they are making me

:^)
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>>323784216
off-topic threads pull from other boards and multiple demographics. All rushing in to put in their 2 cents on shit they know nothing about.
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>>323784268
>businesses have infinite money
:^)
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>>323784065
It did though, it reinvented propaganda and ways to fool the world about american superiority
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>>323784150
>>323784037
>>323783845
I think the big thing people miss with Obamacare is that - in it's inception it was actually a pretty 'okay' document, nothing too groundbreaking, but the republicans had the voting majority, and rather than just outright blocking it they repealed numerous provisions, while hamfisting it into what it is now. Next republican that comes into office it will get struck down, but at any point in the next 20 or more years if someone tries to start up universal healthcare again the first retort you'll hear is

"REMEMBER OBAMACARE"

"REMEMBER HOW BAD THAT WAS"

plain and simple, they played Obama's card and switched the deck to demonize healthcare, as doesn't stand for private health care's interest.

the left wing and the right wing, are wings of the same bird, and it's not the patriotic eagle

it's the raven of corporate interests
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>>323784350
>i should pay this employee a figure even close to what they're making me

>I shouldn't hire more people at part time to do the same work if it costs me less and actually increases productivity
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>>323784350
>>323784385
You're talking to the same children that believe only giving sequels to profitable games is extortion.
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>>323784065
>We put a man on the moon and it didn't revolutionize shit.

Basically every technology you currently take for granted was invented to do that, yo.
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>>323783845
No Child Left Behind cut more jobs than Obama Care did and that was in the fucking education sector that was already cut razor thin as it was.

>>323784150
It actually is in this case, they didn't want to sacrifice predicted increases in revenue because of the new expenditures required by obamacare.

It's not a case of them "not being able too" it is a case of them wanting to keep their projected profit increases over next few years.
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>>323784501
GREAT
YOU TOOK THE B8
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>>323784446
>i shouldn't* pay this employee a figure even close to what they're making me
It's called turning a profit you dumb cuck.
Also asking for more money just because the business is making more money is retarded.
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Shit like this is the reason I want about 40% of the population on earth out of the picture.
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No one is going to develop for something that has a very small install base because of pricing
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>>323784521
job cuts arent as terrible as the common core curriculum desu senpai
public education is a meme anyways
at least to blacks
>>323784603
start in the cradle of civilization pls
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>>323784551
>paying people what their contributions are worth is retarded

trump please
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>>323784603
What are you 12? Go play hatred some more ya edgy as nigga
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>>323778719
So i can have access to my private jet and niggers in africa just have access to clean water and first world roads/buildings/ general infastructure? Your a fucking moron learn how an economy works before saying everyone is entitled to everything you little cunt
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>>323783714
Do you have any statistics to back that up?
Most low skill jobs are beeing moved to china, what is left in the US is skilled labor that requires education. Are you complaining that good jobs require education? Because if that is what you are talking about than the only solution would be to undo progress and go back in time.
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>>323784551
>Also asking for more money just because the business is making more money is retarded.
Does that apply to the business owners too?
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>>323775951
Subjectivism and logical fallacies all over that image.
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>>323784663
post-scarcity is coming dog
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>>323784551

It always amuses me that people forget that in a perfectly competitive capitalist model, companies don't turn a profit. They make just enough to remain functioning.
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>>323775951
>does not know what revolutionary means
>does not know what radical means
It would but it doesn't since it's all wrong
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>>323784692
>Are you complaining that good jobs require education? Because if that is what you are talking about than the only solution would be to undo progress and go back in time.
Or you could make education better and more affordable.
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>>323776596
Me too but I'm still a poor fag
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>>323784723
Well that's the dumbest thing I've read this month.

In a thread started by the dumbest thing I'd read this week.
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>>323784634
Well yeah, the initial cuts were fucking garbage, but it had nothing on the harm NCLB actually had on education in america and how the restructuring of how schools were funded on the brand new nation wide standardized tests only served to make struggling schools worse and good schools with excessive funding they don't need. (which then starts the school board greed like in Clark County, Nevada).

If anything NCLB is probably the worst non privacy related thing passed to ever happen to america and is solely responsible for the growing uneducated poor population.
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>>323775951
This was by a hippie trying to sound smart wasn't in? Because under this line of thinking flying and computers were ho hum inventions.

And anyone got a nuclear missile here?
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>>323776446
>/pol/ is the only 4chin board who hates niggers and wetbacks
>/v/ doesn't share /pol/'s outlook on niggers and wetbacks
You seem to be lost. This is the way back
>>>/tumblr/
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>>323779909
he stole it.
>captcha: pasta
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>>323784702
>Business owner that invested is the same as a low skilled pleb.
>>323784636
>Flip burgers
>Sell 1000$ in burgers a day because "They woodnt be sellin em if I didn't make em shiiiet"
>Deserve 1000$ a day.
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>>323784895
You misunderstand how 4chan works.

/pol/ was originally people taking the piss. Now its filled with legitimate believers who spread to the other boards. You're still being laughed at, though.
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>>323782745
yeah, i dont even understand how can one person advocate to communism/socialism while beeing a /v/idya enthusiast.
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>>323779950
Go to bed, Burnie
>points to oven
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>>323784816
common core just dumbs down every student
https://youtu.be/c8tZGl1SVs0?t=2m34s
>2016
>the state of public education
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>>323776343
underrated reply lol
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>>323784968
trump why you always gotta go straight to the burgerflippin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
AYO gibes me dat, whiteboi
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>>323776790
What is your yearly income?
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>E = m * c^2 is not revolutionary because it has no applications in everyday life
>>
>Kill poor people
>Trillions of $ freed up, no more crime and no more non-whites
It's just that simple!
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>>323785103
>He bought the jewstein meme
Good boy.
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>>323782947
>expecting retards to know... anything, let alone a multi-faceted and disciplinary examination of an economic model.

I mean, no one in this thread knows anything about economics works that were done in the fucking 90s in regards to the efficiency of planned economy vs free market and the speed of which information exchange can be made to a more central body and used in the current day.
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>>323785045
It's the easiest way to put it in terms that the LCD will find relatable.
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Is VR going to be shit like google cardboard where you have to make a conscious effort to go cross eyed and it just hurts your eyes and gives you a headache?

Also I was using an S4 which has a high spec 1080p screen and the screen door effect was very noticeable. Apparently the Rift has less than 1080p
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>>323784692
And that's one of the problems, since a lot of low skill work that would advance you into skilled jobs, and stuff like that doesn't really exist anymore with outsourcing and automation.

I am not complaining about lacking of education either most jobs back in the day were trade jobs in the first place. Production and factory work that trained you to do it, and trained you as you advanced. Manufacturing work is another good example of work that USED to have entry level positions but doesn't anymore.

My point being that the "Work a job, form a career" thing doesn't happen anywhere near the frequency it used too, working hard doesn't advance you if there isn't anywhere to advance too.

There isn't the "bridge" anymore, you have low skilled garbage jobs that you can't advance past, and high skilled jobs you need an education for. With education being near prohibitively expensive, and the opportunity for your degree to be rendered useless between starting and ending college makes it just unfeasible for anywhere close to a majority of the population.

Basically the classic american dream is dead, and what replaced it is trustfund kiddies and lucking out in a start-up or getting culturally relevant and popular.
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>>323775951

>ever buying tech day one

this is how you spot a retard
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>>323780261
You need the poor to exploit.

There's a reason why they're poor, and the rich people are rich. The poor works for cheap AND buys the shit they make - either way is making the rich richer.
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>>323784968
>own burger business
>sell $1000 worth of burgers a day
>pay the cook $7.25 an hour
>keep whats left after meat costs because without you there'd be no business!
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>>323775951
>The Babbage Machine wasn't revolutionary
Take a rake, break your knee with it, shove your foot into your mouth and then shove the rake up your ass.
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>>323775951
This refers to political ideology, not consumer products.

The car was inaccessible to poor people for a long time. Look where we are now.
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>>323785218
CV1 is 1080p, you'll never get rid of the screen door effect in a VR headset, but honestly you forget about it and stop noticing it rather quickly, and prolonged use it becomes pretty much invisible (by which your brain subconsciously blocks it out much like your nose or even hair if its decent length)
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>traveling into space wasn't revolutionary
>traveling to Mars won't be revolutionary

Yeah, this sounds like some Marxist garbage.
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>>323785303
How much do you think the meat costs?
The buns? Everything else?

Electricity to light the building and power the cookery?

And Hourly pay isn't the only expense an employee costs. There's payroll, and payroll tax.

That's before waste and product going out of saleable date.
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>>323777978
Actually they do to a certain extent. Like the girl who dragged around her bed to get some guy in trouble when the court decided the ground of rape was unsubstantiated and she was invited by a senator to the State of the Union.

They may not necessarily drop everything to pass a law but they sure as shit use them for PR, and if the problem is small enough like running some sap through the ringer they'll probably do that too.
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>>323785548
She got totally BTFO though, even SJW's don't like her because she faked a rape claim and that hurts actual victims.
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>>323775951
This is in reference to leftist academia not technology you fucks
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>>323785413
>The car was inaccessible to poor people for a long time.
I kinda wish it still was.
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>>323785772
BAN ASSAULT FEMALE DRIVERS
BAN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS
MAKE ROADS GREAT AGAIN
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>>323785534
STOP IT!
You're cooking his Bernie brain!
OH THE HUMANITY!
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>>323785883
>he doesn't feel the bern
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>>323784435
Plagiarised
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>>323785969
lel
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>>323785534
This. How is a business owner supposed to live on 200k monthly? After taxes and bills, he'd just have like 120k left, and no man deserves that for his hard work.

But commies and anti americans think that our greatest people should live like peasants. There was even some drama when a senator said the exact same thing as i am because evul people dunt deserve comfortable lives.
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It's really kind of surreal that we just had an economic collapse brought on by banks a few years ago but there's so much hatred for the poor and idolizing of the rich. How short are peoples' memories?
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>>323786059
Poor people were to blame though. They demanded defaults on their loans, and refused to pay them back.

The banks actually pulled us out of the mess poor people made
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>>323784985
>/pol/ was originally people taking the piss.
And /n/ews was totally a satire, right?

/pol/ was always serious.
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>>323786186
Man, how many RPMs is that spin?
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>>323786186
And that mess was started by the federal government
and Nintendo
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>>323785534
You will find that it is a lot cheaper than you would think especially when you are selling your products at tremendous profit.

Burger places usually pay pretty well too actually, the mcdonalds down the road from me was hiring for 12.50 an hour.

But yeah man big macs only cost like 72 cents a large fry costs them ~12 cents. Soda costs them literal pennies. Its actually super cheap.

not trying to make a point just sayin.
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>>323786391
Very true.

Hell, even walmart pays like $9 minimum.

Actual minimum wage is a rarity.
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>>323786254
And /v/ was always about GG and internet activism.
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>Everyone will become rich if the hard enough guise!!1!
>if you aren't rich, it's cause you didn't work hard enough
>n-no the rich never abuse their wealth to hoard money and make it harder for others to make money!!

People actually believe this.
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>>323786460
That's kind of incorrect, but a lot of places will pay over minimum and then just short hours instead.

Basically if you divide your hours by full time standards and you are making less than would be minimum you are being fucked either way.

Not to mention most places wont give you any benefits if you aren't full time
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>>323786550
I still get fucked over by the fact that if I had 1-2 million in my bank account I would literally not have to work ever because I could live off the interest.

I can only imagine what it would be like to be even more loaded.
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>>323786891
1-2 million will only last you a couple years at most. Taxes are a bitch.
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>>323786486
/v/ was always a /b/ 2.0, yes.
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>>323776534

>Put a man on the moon? Who cares, people in poor countries are starving and women ahvent landed on the moon

Why can't NASA get more funding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ClA5f5uu0
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>>323784065
Moon landings never happened. Or at the very least, there was not enough convincing evidence provided of them to the general public.
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>>323785969
>lots wearing hipster glasses
>fattie is like "gibs me moar fud! fug
>Berniefags in a nutshell
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>>323787264

Yeah seeing the flag, and being able to reflect light off it is surely nothing.
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>>323786981
... well I guess there was a few moments before /v/ wasn't another /b/.
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>>323786746
Thanks obama
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>>323788849
He'll ignore this and repost his bullshit in the next thread
Beliefs, not even once
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>>323776257
EFFICIENCY AND PROGRESS ARE OURS ONCE MORE
NIW THAT WE HAVE THE NEUTRON BOMB
ITS NICE AND QUICK AND CLEAN AND GETS THINGS DONE
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>>323785485
Traveling to mars (and back) will represent a huge number of necessary advances is basically every aspect of technology.

The actual act will be somewhat irrelevant.
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>>323775951
Cancer and poverty must be radical and revolutionary. Stupidity too.
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>>323775951
Liberalism is a mental sickness.
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