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>PROJECT M EXPUNGED ALTOGETHER FROM APEX 2015, INCLUDING SALTY SUITE


is this the biggest case of

>its ok if nintendo does it

fuck this jewipponese companese
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What game mods are there that are allowed?
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>fgc used a modded sf before capcom support
>dropped it once capcom started supporting them

>pm being dropped now that nintendo stepped in
>pm babbies throwing a tantrum
>it's okay when pmtoddlers does it
when will they learn
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Apex has decided to side with corporate instead of consumer. They don't care about us. They don't care about the players or the fans, only their own paycheck. We must all boycott this tournament and make it clear none of us will watch or participate until Project M is reinstated. As apology, Brawl must forever be removed from the tournament, Project M can take its place.

We have to make our voices heard. Don't let them push us around
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>>272323163
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>the company is involved to try and promote smash 4 to the competitive scene
isnt that kind of the exact opposite of what they have been saying and doing this ENTIRE TIME
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>tourneyfags getting shit on
I'm not quite sure what the problem is here??????????????
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>>272323163
>>272323602
It's called a false flag
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>Apex was once the biggest Project M tournament host
>Apex promised us Project M mainstage for this year because of the huge success last year
>Suddenly they tell PM players to fuck off because Nintendo is suddenly involved

It's not like I'm whining that it's not at Evo or anything. But Apex promised us PM and now it's like they're selling out. Nintendo can just decide what and what doesn't play at Apex if they throw enough money at the tournament organizers.
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>>272323765
yep. it'll stop in a year.

Push for PM at evo2k15 if you want it that bad
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I don't think excluding the game from Apex is the right move, but of course Smash 4 needs that little push right now. Nintendo wants to help the scene happen so Melee and PM aren't the only ones people play forever.
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Alright, I can see where Nintendo's coming from. They can't acknowledge that Project M exists because of copyright nightmares; especially considering the fact that the modders are editing Snake and Sonic, who they don't have the rights to anymore (well, Sonic's in there, but you know what I mean). They can't say "We support a game that requires you to hack your Wii/do some files stuff on the PC in order to work."

It's alright, we've got dozens of other tourneys that they can take place at.
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>>272321881

This is just a sign that Sm4sh is dead
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I guess Nintendo is a bit...

...salty
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>>272324031
You can't force people to move to a shitty product by virtual of technical constraints. It doesn't work. See: Windows > 8.
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Excellent.
>b-but i've been improving my skills on it.

The n word.
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>>272321881
>mfw I don't give a single fuck
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>>272324331
So, when you say shitty product, you are talking about PM, right?
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>>272324549
aw gee now I gotta play Smash4
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>>272323163
this fucking nigga
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>>272324549
>That hairline in P:M
Not everything that P:M does is gold, man. This is coming from a guy who's WAY more excited for P:M 3.5 than Smash 4.
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>mfw all the Melee players on Twitter expressing apathy or outright mocking PM
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>>272324458
post erick pics
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>nintendo doesn't give a fuck about the tourney scene for years and almost shut it down last year
>when they do get involved they don't actually support it like Capcom, they just force it into being an ad vehicle
I don't give a fuck about tourneys, and I'll be getting Smash WiiU, but this is still kind of dickish. Didn't really expect better from them though, least they aren't SEGA.
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>competitive Smash
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>>272324852
Sorry man, I'm not gay.
He's Kit though.
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>Playing any Smash game competitively.

How embarrassing.
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>>272321881
lol
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>muh mod made by TRUE FANS
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>>272324549
At least PM actually gives alts to most characters rather than Smash 4 just giving them to a few, and making the alts of Sakurai's favorite characters full blown character slots. Surely it would've been easy for Nintendo to give everyone alts, but
>muh character identity
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I really don't get why Nintendo fans on /v/ hate fan projects so much. Only reason I can see is that they see every Nintendo game series as so perfect that they see mods or fangames as an insult to Nintendo's game devs. At least Metroidfags are so desperate for games that they aren't shitting on the M2 fan remake.
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>>272325143
>>272325061
>>272325029
>>272325000
>>272324440
>>272324057
>>272323897
>>272323602
>Guess who
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PM 3.5 really makes me wish that Sakurai didn't waste dev time on stupid shit like Smash Run and Tour and just gave us even more options in Smash mode. Surely as an actual dev he could come up with even more creative and fun things than AllStar Versus and stock/boundless Stamina. 8 Player Smash looks fun as fuck, but it looks like pretty much the only brand new thing when it comes to the main mode of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWvbREopTU0
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>>272324001
I don't think they'll stop, sponsorship only costs a bit and they can stop streaming of their games (Brawl, PM or whatever) whenever they want since it's Nintendo property.
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>muh shitty mod isn't allowed
boo hoo
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>>272325868
>PM 3.5
>fun
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>>272325238

I think its more of smash fans hating on other smash games.
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>>272324156
They don't have to say they support it. They can just not say anything.
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>>272325868
What PM brings new to the table?
This stamina mode without borders looks interesting, but very weird too. It really shows how the game is just a mode.
Is there anything else?
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>>272325868
all star versus is in the game technically, just in the smash tour mode.
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>>272326530
All Star Verses
Basically, you choose more than one character before the match, and then during the game each stock switches between the characters you chose. It's really neat.
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>>272324001
lol Nintendo sponsors Evo too. PM has no place to go.
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>>272326530
You have stamina with stocks as well as the option to play with/without boundaries and with/without increasing knockback. It also added All-Star Versus, where you can assign a different character to each of your stocks. It also has some more minor things like adding a new item that allows any move to combo into another for a short time, and gives each of PT's Pokemon a unique FS. Link can also play his ocarina as a secret taunt.
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>>272324328
I think PMfags are the salty ones in this case
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>>272325085
But about 40% of the alts in PM are garbage. Not to say some like Mewtwo's aren't great but stuff like Lucario's is just awful and a waste of effort. In fact that is how I feel the development of PM has gone wrong. They just throw all the shit they can think of in so it becomes less focused. They have some good ideas but making every character have moves to counter every other character's moves just isn't good balancing.
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>>272326768
I belive Smash Tour brings something along those lines too to the core gameplay.
While on the board you collect trophies and fighters. Trophies give you effects, like "starting the battle with X item" or stuff like that, and fighters are just that.
When players clash in the map, everyone must fight and every fighter you've collect represents a different stock. So if you collected, say, Fox, Luigi and Mac, you will start with Fox and get Luigi when you die, then Mac.

I guess Master and Crazy orders are also different since they bring specific rules into matches.
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>fighting games
woah, is it 1990 again? Are arcades still a thing?
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>>272326495
Funding an event that includes PM means they support it, whether they actually say it or not.
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>>272326929
It's certainly not without issue, but it's good enough to be fun for me, just like even though Smash 4 has many of the same issues Brawl did, it fixed them to a degree that it's fun again.
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>>272326926
cause they're the ones shitposting xDD amirite
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It's kind of dickish that Nintendo is outright banning it from being played even at side events.
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>>272321881
Very few companies would allow Project M to exist in the first place if they owned the IP. They are lucky they didn't get a cease and desist.
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>>272325085
>guys who have no jobs and lots of free time can mod in a few extra cloths while a dev team who has time constraints an deadlines can not

stop the fucking presses...its not that fucking impressive let these fags make their own game from the ground up with dead lines and the job to please many fans and not just themselves
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>>272327332
>Get this through your heads you autistic motherfuckers. Project Manchildren will never EVER be in any tournament that nintendo is involved in.
Yes
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>>272327349
>and the job to please many fans and not just themselves
Well, it'd be a change of pace from Smash 4.
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>>272325029
>Playing any Smash game competitively.
Fucking this, I want to play Smash not Final Destination no items Fox only. It is a party fighting game not a hardcore fighting game.
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>>272327245
They do, about as much as the idiot casual elitists. Both sides are hilariously stupid and it's fun to mock them.
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>>272327349
I thought the Smash 4 defenders said that all the clones could be made in just a couple hours.
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As far as mods go, Project M is a pretty good one.

>looks like Brawl and has Melee gameplay

This is the most important fact, since so many people like Melee better than Brawl.

>adds old characters, tons of alts, rebuild stages

This is all pretty good too.
I'm also sure that they had to mess up pretty deeply with the game to alter it so much, but honestly, this is still just a mod with a nice comp scene going. It's far from being as important as a real, maingame Smash game like Smash 4 is.
A new Smash only comes out once every 6 or 7 years, so it's important that Smash 4 gets some spotlights. Specially when it feels so good to play.
I like the scene 3DS has already, but I'm hoping that the Wii U one is even bigger.
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Salud jani!

How do those hotpockets taste?
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>>272327675
>not Final Destination no items Fox only
Nobody does this except for wannabe tourneyfags. Fox isn't even the best character choice on FD.
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>>272327741
>This is the most important fact, since so many people like Melee better than Brawl.
Then why not just play melee?
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I don't get it. With literally any other game, even other Nintendo game, /v/ is super critical and skeptical of new entries. But when it comes to Smash, people will happily jump on the newest entry and believe the company at their word when they say it's the best one yet, and shit on anyone who dares criticize it. It's really bizarre, Smash Bros fans are the least demanding on /v/ when it comes to gameplay.
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>>272327935
and melee is at apex problem solved
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>>272327935
Melee is 13 years old, man. You can only play a fighting game with 25 fighters so much.
What people don't get is that this userbase that hates Brawl and loves Melee is very little. Hell, even saying that it reaches 100k is streching it a little bit.
Meanwhile the real Smash games have a much bigger fanbase of millions upon millions. It's only nautral that Nintendo tries to stir up a comp scene with so much potential.
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>>272323913
>selling out
It's an unofficial mod. How many unofficial mods do you have in the fighting industry? Why not... simply play the real games? Play Melee, play Brawl and play Smash U.

Why do you need Project M, when it's not a real game? You like the Project M guys? Ask them to make a real game. Make them do a real "Smash clone" and publish it. Hell, I'm sure Sony would LOVE to have a Smash clone that worked.
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>>272328123
They fixed everything wrong with the game before it, I don't see whats the problem here. And people still enjoyed brawl until they realized Melee was funner.
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>>272327935
Some people actually expect sequels to improve on a game in a way other than "we put in more things". Recent Smash games have been kind of disappointing, even purely from a casual perspective. Brawl in particular really lacked the energy that 64 and Melee did. Hopefully Smash 4 will recapture that when I'll be able to play it when I can actually couch it and not just play For Lag and For Little Mac SDs.
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>>272325029

>playing any non-MOBA game competitively
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People are surprised by this? P:M only survived because it was the "newest" Smash and Nintendo was ignoring it. Now that Smash 4 is out it's irrelevant. If Smash 4 turns out to be completely "uncompetitive" (even though Brawl supposedly had that label its scene still lasted for years), then people will just move back to Melee.

Expecting a fan mod to become top dog is hubris by the devs and delusion by the fans. The most they can hope for is that in five years the Wii U will have homebrew.
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laugh out loud
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>>272327935
because i like that a lot of brawl characters in pm don't feel like shit or are stupid like they did in brawl. ike and metaknight come to mind
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>>272328201
> this post has been pruned or deleted
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>>272322070
Someone answer this guy. I'm curious to see if they allow any.
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>>272328297
>WHY CAN'T I SHITPOST JANIIII >:((((

really
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>>272328202
Because mods are often more fun than the base game. Brawl is basically the Skyrim of Smash games, only in this case mods like PM and Brawl Minus can actually make it fun instead of a mediocre porn gmae.
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>>272328123
>Smash Bros fans are the least demanding on /v/ when it comes to gameplay.
Except for Pokemonfags. shit hasnt changed in 18 years and they keep buying the same game twice too. But I guess its the same audience since its also made by nintendo
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>>272328562
Why?
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>>272328419
Smash for wii u its going to be the most balanced smash game, Just for the updates
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>>272328417
>They fixed everything wrong with the game before it
Kind of easy when you intentionally fuck up the previous game with shit like losing control of your character at complete random.
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>>272328481
I disagree. If Smash 4 proves uncompetitive and Melee's metagame starts to stagnate, people will naturally move onto the developing game.
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>>272328123

There were plenty of criticisms of Brawl and there's been plenty of criticisms of 4. Most people just aren't eager to cling to a 13 year old game or a pandering fan mod.
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>>272328614
It's also an unauthorized product that is against Nintendo TOS and copyright laws if I'm not mistaken.
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>>272328481
>Now that Smash 4 is out it's irrelevant
The playerbase for Melee/PM and Brawl/Smash 4 has barely any overlap, the popularity of one side won't really affect the other
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As far as I'm concerned, it was a good a mod made to do something about Brawl's INSANELY terrible design choices.

But there is a Smash 4 out now with Nintendo's support. There's no need for the mod anymore except for archival reasons.

That being said I do think it's pretty fucking lame that thy're not even allowed to side tournament it, that's uncool.
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>>272328123
THERE HE IS
THERE HE GOES AGAIN
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>>272328617
They might still eat the shit up, but at least I see pokemon fans bitch to some extent when GF removes features for no reason other than laziness. Smashfags won't take any criticism of Sakurai unless it's over their favorite character getting in.
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>>272328634
I guess it's against the rules to talk shit about Project M now.
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>>272328739
If Smash 4 proves uncompetitive and Melee's metagame starts to stagnate then Melee fans will stop playing Smash Bros.
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>>272328481
>The most they can hope for is that in five years the Wii U will have homebrew.
Yes, maybe in 3 years or 2, I don't have a problem with that.
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>>272328924
I wasn't talking shit, I was just commenting on the current and future trend of expunging and my feelings on the matter.
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>>272328739
no, they'll just stop playing smash games. m
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this just makes me sad,
i hate when companies preffer money over consumer
i know it is like that 90% of the time, but still sad.
if you are going to do something, dont do it for the money only, do it for the feeling you are doing something good
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>>272329012
He does get it's just a mod, right?

Right?
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>>272329009
oh well in that case :D
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>people complaining about this are the same who are complaining about balancing patches coming next week
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>>272329012
>nintendo fans are so delusional that they consider a mod made by other nintendo fans to be "antinintendo"
Oh man, the shills telling people to report homebrew and piracy to Nintendo are serious, aren't they.
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>>272321881
>Expecting a mod of a game to be used at a tournament instead of the newest version of the game
>Expecting a mod to be used in any tournament setting

You cannot be this fucking dumb, can you?
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>>272329009
oh well in that case :DD
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project M is boring af to watch anyway good riddance
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dota, counter strike and who knows how many others games started as a mod.
mod dont kill a game, why so many companies dont get that.
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>>272329165
>balancing patches
I fully expect them to be overcorrective and just send more characters to no-fun-to-play shit tier. Sakurai can't balance for shit.
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>>272329086
> consumer
> tiny percentage of total fanbase
>muh doing it for money


Wahh waahh why won't nintendo do it for the 0.0000%. Why are they trying to make profits?!

Fuck and die.
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>>272329086
Stop with that bullshit It's a unofficial mod and you know it
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>>272328449
What are arena shooters

What are RTS

Get out fggt
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>>272328449
wailordbait.jpg
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>>272328810
>The playerbase for Melee/PM and Brawl/Smash 4 has barely any overlap

[citation needed]
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Why don't these people just make another even and tell Nintendo to fuck off?

No really and truly.

What is stopping them from just making another event?
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>>272329230
Who does?
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>>272328562
Fuck.
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>>272328939
>>272329071
The idea that an entire community with a good amount of overlap would just disappear because a 13 year-old game stopped developing is absurd.
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>>272329086
oh no. the poor small portion of the fanbase that actually plays this. Whatever will they do against the millions that will go out and buy the new game?
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>>272329338
Yeah, why should you care about dedicated fans, the wider audience is what's more important, especially when they're actively abandoning you.
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Nintendo is mad because fans would rather play a 12 year old game and a fan mod than the piece of trash sequels they keep trying to pump out. That's all there is to it.
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>>272329328
>implying Sakurai balances the game by himself

He has Namco to do that for him. This isn't Melee where everything was rushed and he had to do a ton of heavy lifting.
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>>272329424
PM players want the money and publicity.

Basically greed.
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>>272329545
precisely, so why stop it
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>>272329424

nothing is, and they will. there are 7 international tourneys for Project M planned for 2015 already lol
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>>272328571
none apex was only allowing project m in last year as a side tournament, this year it is getting a pot bonus and sponsorship by nintendo so no mods, ever since capcom has been sponsoring events rainbow edition has not been allowed a spot in tournaments
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>>272328183
Then why make smash 4's gameplay to be like brawl aka not suited for competitive gameplay?
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>ctrl f
>btfo
>0 results
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>>272329571
careful not to get b&
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>>272329571
Man, and I used to think that /v/ was overly hostile to Nintendo fans. I'm actually starting to miss the days around the 3DS and WiiU launches.
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>>272329752
Because Smash isn't a competitive game.
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>>272329551
>fans are only dedicated if they play my favorite fan mod

okay bro
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>>272329165

>competitive smash shitters
>nintendo fans

not being able to hack it at a real fighter doesn't make you a nintendo fan
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>>272329837
Then why is Nintendo sponsoring Smash Bros at Apex, a competitive tournament?
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>>272328617
Pokemon's mechanics get better with every release. Smash devolved into complete trash with Brawl and Smash 4 is only slightly better. It's not the same at all.
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>>272329837
It contradicts what you wrote here>>272328183
>" It's only nautral that Nintendo tries to stir up a comp scene with so much potential."
Again, why make smash 4's gameplay a piece of shit then?
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>>272329901
People who blindly praise Sakurai for continuing to make a game for the Wii audience despite the Wii audience having long abandoned Nintendo aren't dedicated fans.
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>>272329781
They all got pruned and or deleted by the man
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>>272323913
people loved a bunch of old street fighter mods that were some big side tournaments, capcom starts sponsoring the tournaments and those games are removed.

yet when it happens to smash "boohoo my mod" grow the fuck up when the FGC is more mature then you, you have problems
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>>272330021
holy shit.
REKT as fuck.
Waiting for the reply.
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Good, PM is just Smash .75, no use having an inferior version especially an unlicensed one
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>>272329481
>with a good amount of overlap
That's where you're wrong, the things people like about Melee are not found anywhere in Smash 4 so what's the point of moving onto it?
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>>272329981
>Again, why make smash 4's gameplay a piece of shit then?
Smash 4 gameplay is not shit is the most balanced Smash , Just wait for the updates and patchs... right?
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>>272324927
what the fuck are you talking about? ever since capcom started sponsoring tournaments street fighter mods have been banned, fuck you
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>>272328183
>You can only play a fighting game with 25 fighters so much.

nigga you could play Melee until the end of time even with just the 14 characters in A and S, the mechanics are just that solid. the occasional wacky shit like Amsa's Yoshi and DJNintendo's Bowser are just enjoyable for laughs every now and then.

Hell, even with just the S tier - Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Jiggs, Peach, Cap and ICs- you've got a massive spread of playstyles and attributes, that's why people still play Melee despite how hard it is to be a low tier hero
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>>272329086
Anon the amount people that actually play Project M isn't nearly as big as the people that are going to go out and buy smash 4.

Hell they sound like they weren't even going to move on from Project M at all.
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>>272330275
I wasn't talking about Melee players moving to smash 4. I was talking about Melee players moving to PM. The developing game I was talking about was PM.
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>>272330021

Yeah I guess all those people playing and enjoying Smash 4 right now aren't real fans. Same thing with all those tournaments, those aren't real, unlike muh fan mod which is what all the truly true real legit fans are playing. Truly eye opening, thank you.

>>272330106
>dis nigga
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Good.
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>>272330315
>Smash 4 gameplay is not shit is the most balanced Smash
I'd rather have a deep and interesting game with a relatively limited roster of viable characters (Melee) than a somewhat balanced game that has all the depth of a kiddie pool (Smash 4).
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>>272328123
Smash fanboys are defensive as hell

also they tend to be invasive on other fanbases with their bullshit and hype and *shit on anything that isn't approved by Nintendo or made by Nintendo themselves

(* = this isn't exclusive to Smash fans [Mother elitists, Mario fans, etc.])
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>>272330369
At least Capcom actually gives a shit about their community. Nintendo is just giving the minimum support for the sake of advertising. If they actually gave a shit about these tourneys, they would've made sure it was actually thought of in the game design.
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>>272330469
2/10
fuck it, gonna read some vietnamese comic.
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>>272330315
>Just wait for the updates and patchs
Then why complain? about a more balanced game?
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The fact that it is a mod means I should not have any expectations of it ever making it into events least alone main ones. P:M being at Apex last was surprising but I can't say anything against this decision.

I like P:M alot. And despite playing it mostly with 4 folks on Free for All with items, it is a really impressive mod not just with the weird physic changes.

I don't get the hate from the casuals for it though. Because the majority of the userbase are fags? Well ok,but we've been dealing with Meleefags (and still are) for some time now. Someone told them if they didn't like Brawl, make their own game. And they did. I actually kind of like it over Brawl now. Here's the even crazier thing, I think I'm going to enjoy this alongside Smash 4 as well.
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>>272330469
>Yeah I guess all those people playing and enjoying Smash 4 right now aren't real fans.
By /v/ standards, no, a lot of them aren't. Just like nobody would call Wii Sports players big fans.
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>>272329703
>Nintendo stop them all
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>>272330564
oh like street fighter x tekken, or vanilla marvel 3? again fuck you nintendo has been no different then capcom all that is different is project m was bigger then any street fighter mod
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>>272330430
Well that depends on how long PM will stick around. It's definitely going to last at least another year or two and is already slated for a bunch of big tournaments besides Apex but its status as a mod will prevent if from being at any large official events like MLG and EVO and it'll probably die out shortly thereafter.
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>>272330708
>By /v/ standards, no, a lot of them aren't.
>/v/ standards

and that's the problem
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>>272330534
Teenagers and retards who don't actually play games talkin shit about stuff they don't even have a basic understanding of. Not complicated really
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Lucky Nintendo has gone this far instead of C&Ding the whole mod.
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>>272330640
Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo actively tries to shut down and pursue legal action any streamed event that attempts to play PM.
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>>272330640
>not realizing that nintendo has plans to support a bunch of tournaments
this kids in for a rude awakening when nintendo announces it is sponsoring the big house as well
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>>272330640
Holy shit. Imagine if it gets expunged from the Big House.
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>>272330708

Again, you have opened my eyes with your insightful posts, you truly know how things are. You know what games are real and not real, you know what fans are real and not real, you're a regular prophet.
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>>272330802
What, the problem that a shill piece of shit like you is on /v/?
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>>272330861
They legally can't C&D it because of a label they put on the back of the Brawl case saying it accepts custom SD card content. Since Project M is loaded through the SD card, it technically counts as custom content unless it is loaded from a modded brawl ISO or emulator.
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>>272330957
Are you a goon? Because you're typing a lot like a fucking goon.
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>>272328183
And chess is over 1000 year sold. If a game is good then it's good and people will continue to play it. Since Brawl and Smash 4 don't play better than Melee, people will keep playing Melee.
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>>272330872
This
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>>272330640
>Smash Oympics

Jesus Christ, PMfags are the most cringe worthy people ever.
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>>272330717
>>272330910
>>272330930

won't happen because Juggleguy doesn't take Nintendo cock up the asshole for money, unlike Alex Strife
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>>272329837
By definition Smash is competitive. The entire game is about defeating your opponent or opponents. The only end states are win and loss.
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>>272330989
How am I a shill anon? Explain it
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>>272330993
Huh, interesting. I wonder how far that would go if taken to court.
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>>272331210
>he would refuse official sponsoring to protect a fanmade mod
Are you actually autistic?
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>>272331124

No no, I'm serious, your ability to know and read the minds of millions and see their true selves is amazing, it is a gift.
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>>272331268
They already tried it with another Brawl mod and it went nowhere.
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>>272331281
It's not about protecting a mod, it's about not selling out to become a marketer for Nintendo in exchange for pissing off a chunk of your community.
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>>272331262
If you don't like his mod you are a shill of course.
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>>272330021
>People who blindly praise Sakurai for continuing to make a game for the Wii audience despite the Wii audience having long abandoned Nintendo
If anyone actually argues this they are a drone plain and simple.
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>>272331443
>offering your community legitimacy and a better prize pool
>pissing off
The only people who'd be made would be PMDT
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>>272331281

>accept official sponsoring at the expense of roughly 400 entrants

I guess you don't know Juggleguy. It won't happen. I wish there was some way for me to rub it in your face when TBH5 has more entrants for PM 4.0 than Smash 4, but this is 4chan and it's anonymous, so you'll just sink back into the shadows to shitpost about some other subject you know nothing about.
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>>272331384
>>272331479
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>>272331249
By your loose definition Skyrim is a fighting game that should be at Evolution.
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>yfw Project M will never, EVER be C&D
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>>272331592
And everyone who wanted to play Project M there and the viewers who watch Project M
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>>272331384
mfw

>>272331597
I can actually envision the tears rolling down your face
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>>272321881
So is Salty Suite cancelled or just for PM?
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>>272331443
wow they sure do not sell out being sponsored by twitch and xsplit, of course he will fucking sell out he already has just not to someone who offends you.
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>>272331738
Not everyone has a brand loyalty to PM.

Smash comes first.
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>>272330979
>>272330640
>>272330113
>>272329571
>>272329012
>>272331384
>>272331204
>this same faggot
where's that picture of the guy admitting he always shitposting in Nintendo fangames, homebrew, and PM threads and crying about it?
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>>272331786
Twitch and Xsplit are not forcing him, as far as I know, to pull games from their tournaments. I would happily withdraw my argument if you can prove me wrong.
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>>272331880

I actually really enjoy PM, I just shit post and try to stir up arguments because it's fun.

I WANT to see PM at apex.
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>>272331786
It's not really selling out if he didn't compromise anything in the process like he would have to with Nintendo sponsorship
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>>272323163
>They don't care about the players or the fans, only their own paycheck.
You mean
>They don't care about the entitled man babies getting them into trouble who never gave a cent to begin with.

You are such a faggot I am surprised you are not spamming the gg hashtag on twitter right now.

How about you get the files and host them? Unless you admit you are an useless sack of shit.
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>>272331751
Just for PM. Nintendo wants absolutely no presence of the community made mod so that Smash4 has it's fair shot.

It's not asking that much I think. It's not the last we'll see of PM at tournaments UNLESS by some chance Smash4 becomes the holy savior of Smash that can somehow be played as competitively as PM can.

I mean odds are pretty low but it could happen.
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>>272331865
People who watch Project M and want to play Project M there are not everyone. I never said that. But they're people who are part of the community that helps TBH bring in money.
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>>272331989
well you need some sleep and leave us alone, smashfag
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>>272331890
twitch and xplit don't own the copyrights to all the games being played there either
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>>272331890
>>272332006
>I-It's not really selling out
Holy shit, these double standards.
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>>272321881
>still giving a fuck about project m

Embarrassing
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>P:M fans hate Nintendo for getting rid of their game at the event it's been at for years
>Smash 4 fans get dumped on because P:M/Melee fans hate it
>both fanbases constantly argue because they can't agree on anything
>just like Brawl and Melee
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>>272321881
FINE FUCK NINTENDO IF THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEIR FANS I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM
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>>272332101
And like I said people who want to watch and play Smash will play and watch Smash.

Loyalty mods only exists on forums and image boards.
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>>272331592

>implying Ninty money will end up in Apex's prize pool

it will be used to line Alex Strife's pockets which is all that really mattered to Nintendo in the first place. he'll end up mismanaging the entire event and relying on desperate last minute favors at the expense of kind strangers (who he will then not compensate even if he promised to), just like he does literally every fucking year

>legitimacy

this is the community that persisted for 14 years without so much as a nod from Nintendo. in fact they're only interaction with NoA was to butt heads over the Evo ruleset and the braindead decision to prevent Melee from headlining Evo 2013. if anything, being in Nintendo's pocket is an indicator of duplicity and selling out in the eyes of fans
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>>272332118
>Selling out is the compromising of integrity, morality, authenticity or principles in exchange for personal gain, such as money
Can you elaborate on what exactly he compromised or gave up by accepting sponsorship money?
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>>272331890
>>272332006
he must use xsplit to stream said tournament and must stream it on twitch, so he is already willing to limit himself and sell out are you fucking retarded, its a smash only tournament if nintendo decides to back it he will say yes as he is already willing to sell out man smash fags are the worst kind of retard

>inb4 but there the best services and most popular so what if he is forced to use them

it is still selling out and proves he will suck nintendos dick
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>>272332118
Accepting a sponsorship from a company to pull a game from your scene and accepting a sponsorship from a company that just requries running advertisements are two completely different things.
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its ok. EVO will pick up project m for main stage
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>>272331890

the only reason he hasn't had nintendo dick is that nintendo hasn't even bothered to give him the oppertunity to suck it, as soon as he gets that offer PM is gone
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>>272332208
>FINE FUCK NINTENDO IF THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEIR FANS I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM
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>>272332331
>This is what PM lovers think
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>>272332232
>it will be used to line Alex Strife's pockets
Your butthurt is already showing.

The Smash community has existed but also YEARNED for legitimacy. They'll not back down because a few modders lose perks.
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>All this butthurt over what game gets streamed
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>>272332262
>and must stream it on twitch
Well yeah, that's the default streaming service for Smash Bros. and VG Bootcamp is the premiere channel for Smash Bros., of fucking course he's going to accept their sponsorship money in exchange for doing something that he was already going to do. You're fucking retarded.
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>>272332339
I'm glad that you know him personally well enough to know that he would do that.
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>4 replacing Melee at Evo forever because Mr. Wizard wants melee dead
>4 replacing P:M at Apex alongside KI and Pokemon

Tourneyfags blown the fuck out.
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>>272332419
Nobody thinks that. PM devs don't even think that.

Pretty sure they've openly stated many times it will never happen.
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>>272332262

if you legitimately cannot perceive the difference between 'you need to use xsplit and twitch', vs 'you can't run your second most popular game with over 350 entrants', then you should consider a visit to the doctor to have your head examined. you may have been dropped as a child
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>>272332613
>you can't run your second most popular game
Brawl will be there though, the MOD won't.
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>>272332079
Why does Nintendo want Smash on the competitive scene?

Hear me out, MK, Tekken and such get played and all you hear is shit like "If it isn't made by SNK or Capcom, it is not a fighter".

After the sperglords that participated in the smash tournaments, why would any company like their game to be advertised by sweaty, greasy swamp things? The competitive core talks shit about smash, autists who want it to be competitive talk shit about smash not being like PM, and you pissed off a lot of people that granted were not going to play smash4 to begin with but it does damage your corporate image.

Just let tourneyfags run their shitty game. They are going to get laughed out of the fighting scene naturally over time. There is a good reaosn why melee was absent for a good amount of time.
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>>272326929
>mewtwos alt
>great

It is the worst offender of fucking playdoh syndrome that plagues the P:M models

The modders can't texture worth a shit
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>>272332451
>The Smash community has existed but also YEARNED for legitimacy.

speak for yourself, why don't you? I've never detected any of this yearning you're talking about in the years that I've been doing this shit, whereas you're making it pretty painfully evident that you have no frame of reference whatsoever
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>>272325238
Nobody hates on the M2 remake because it's actually well done.
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>>272332756
>Just let tourneyfags run their shitty game
Why?
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>>272332834
>speak for yourself, why don't you?
No. I'm talking about the majority of the fanbase.

Now your precious mod is threatened you're trying to rewrite history, it won't work.
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>>272330979
>>272330640
>>272330113
>>272329571
>>272331384
>>272331204
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>>272321881
>company attempts to remove unauthorized mod from the public eye to promote their own current project

/v/ has no idea how businesses work
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>>272332339

lol

you don't know Juggleguy
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>>272332756
Not only dose it set a legal precedence that anyone can use their copyrighted content and code because they are sponsoring APEX, it completely misses the point of trying to push smash 4.

Don't run a business ever m8, you will be run out in a week
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>>272333020
Yes we do. We are the community that surrounds this business and some of us happen to think that Nintendo promoting a tournament and removing one of its most popular programs is bullshit
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>>272325238
>I-it's Nintendo fans!
>Not the cringe-worthy, toxic PM fanbase
>so bad it immediately changed how people perceive PM
Ok.
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>>272333020
How dare those capitalist pigs try and earn profits from their products?!
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>>272332696

Brawl will probably be 5th most in popularity, after Melee, the MOD, Smash 4, and 64. For that matter, it might not have a bracket at all.
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>>272333197
>removing a fanmade mod in place of a brand new game your company is currently marketing
hahahahahahahahahaah
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>>272333197
>most popular programs

Maybe for the 600 children that attend the event, but smash 4 moved more copies than the free mod has in its entire lifetime in a week.

For the 3ds.

Now turn around and think about what you said.
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You don't see mods of other fighting games at big tournaments.

Why should it be any different when it comes to Smash?
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>>272333197
competitive players make up such a small portion of the fanbase, you literally aren't worth the little effort they're already putting into the community
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>>272332696
So the dying scene that has basically stopped existing except for being occasionally hosted at primarily Melee tournaments will be there, but not the mod that's easily the second most popular game in Smash tournaments usually being the dual main attraction along with Melee?
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>>272333403
Because Smash isn't a fighting game.
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>>272333260
>toxic
fuck off shill
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>>272333197
Why the fuck would Nintendo allow for an unauthorized mod to take away the spotlight for their upcoming game, you fucking mongoloid community college dropout?
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>>272333480
:^)
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>>272333391

how about you take a minute to think about what kind of people will actually be bringing money into Apex? not the 14 million 8 year olds and antisocial neckbeards who have purchased Smash 4 that's for damn sure
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>>272333391
>but smash 4 moved more copies than the free mod has in its entire lifetime in a week
And what proportion of them actually give a shit about watching and attending tournaments relative to the amount of PM players?
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>>272333415
>second most popular MOD
FYFY
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>>272333609
>how about you take a minute to think about what kind of people will actually be bringing money into Apex?

You mean the sponsors? Because it's the sponsors.
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>>272321881
I was under the impression that it already wasn't going to be there
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>>272333658

haha, good one bro, you showed him. Remember, whenever anyone likes Project M at all, you just have to repeat the word 'mod' and you will somehow win the argument
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If there's anything that disappoints me, it's that I'll have to wait even longer for Roy to have a chance at winning a big event.
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Man, I don't know much about Project Melee but the userbase is comprised entirely of faggots and autists based on what I've read and seen. What a bunch of angry tools
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It's simple, if a company can't profit off of you either by having you buy their shit or using you as an ad vehicle, you're not worth this to them. Same for any company. Don't know why anybody is surprised by this. But only Nintendo fans will actively cheer when other Nintendo fans get fucked over. See Smashfags in general with rosterfagging and the like.
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>>272333820
i was just reminding you Brawl is the GAME, PM a MOD of Brawl.

Just helping :)
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>>272333915
The whole thing's a fucking shitstorm. I would love to watch Project M, but I think the community needs to lay low for a while after this, or at least maintain less of a presence.
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>>272325029
>playing any smash game at all
The 90s have come and gone.
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>>272333609
>implying that 8 year old won't be watching the stream on twitch like all his friends will

You basement dwellers are no longer the primary audience of streaming, probably the biggest cash pull for modern tournaments. You got left in the dust two or three years ago and you still don't know it yet.

How sad.
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>>272333915

that's because what you've read consists of shitposts on /v/ and overblown Twitter drama by Apex business partners playing the victim card
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>>272333509
Why the fuck would Nintendo piss off a significant chunk of the fanbase they're trying to cater to rather than let the new game become popular by its own merits? For that matter, why are they even scared of a mod in the first place? Surely their new product is good enough that it'll stand as a competitively viable product and not just a slightly polished remake of a game those people hated and that they expect people to move onto just because it's new.
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Why is this a thing?
Why must Project M fans act like children over such a mod not appearing?

If there's so many of you that want to play it then go create your own tournament(s) exclusively for mods.
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>>272334049
>implying that 8 year old won't be watching the stream on twitch like all his friends will
Well no, I'm 99% sure that they won't.
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>>272334008
>Fighting game fans can't stand PMfans
>Nintendofans can't stand PMfans
>Even Smashfans can't stand PMfans
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>>272334049

delusional. Melee will get higher viewership than Smash 4 at Apex. I will literally bet you a hundred dollars that this is the case through whatever service you please. Put your money where your shitposting orifice is.
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>>272334068
Nah, I've watched streams and seen quite a bit about the game actually, not just on /v/. Buncha angry faggots screaming MUH MELEE
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I think smash4 is more fun to watch.
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>>272334070

do you know jackshit about public image and copyright?
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>>272334070
That's the problem though. Smash 4 isn't designed competitively at all, that's not what Sakurai wants, and he's probably disgusted by stuff like the E3 Invitational and the sponsoring of Smash tourneys instead of banning them. NoA just wants to force Smash 4 in by any means to advertise. Welcome to business.
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>>272331723
I never said anything about "fighting game." I said "competitive." Which Smash is. By definition. You compete against other players to determine a victor. How is that NOT competitive?
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>>272334184
fighting game fans can't stand fans of any fighting game they don't play, so at least that's not surprising
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>>272334142
Someone post the "Skullgirls: YOU NEED THE HUNGER, MAKE YOUR OWN TOURNAMENTS, DRIVE 1000 MILES" copypasta because this is the exact same shit
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>>272334259
Please tell me how removing a popular mod of Nintendo's game and pissing off its fanbase is going to improve their public image.
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>>272334237
This
>PM
>oh another fucking diddy kong finals
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>>272334294
>Which Smash is. By definition. You compete against other players to determine a victor. How is that NOT competitive?
Don't worry, Sakurai will find a way in Smash 5.
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>>272321881
pic related

it's you
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>>272331880
the guys does it all the time, if you actually call him out on it and ask him why he does it he always shuts up.

at this point, he's much worse than the fan base that "deserves" it.
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So this pretty much confirms Sm4sh for Evo instead of Melee right?
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>>272321881
>fuck smash4 we'll go back to project m and melee
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>>272334207
>Buncha angry faggots screaming MUH MELEE

that could not be further from the PM community. PMfags largely consist of babbies who are too casual to git gud at Melee. I question the amount of research you have done
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>>272334350
popular is a relative term here, also them openly condoning and supporting any mod would be a potential shitstorm. pissing off a small group of people isn't that bad, since most rational fans can understand why they dont want project m to be featured.
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>>272334476
Pretty much, then the Smash scene will finally die as a whole.
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>>272334367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtNImZZPepk

:')
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>>272334476
Yeah.
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Why are Smashfags the absolute worst? Even weeb fighters have better communities.
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>>272334367

Diddy ate a nerf hammer to the face in 3.5

also,

>only watching [email protected]
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It's a completely logical move. Nintendo wants people to buy the new game. If Project M becomes too popular, nobody will bother to play or buy Smash 4. God forbid Project M starts adding Smash 4 characters. Nintendo would kill them.
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>>272321881
Wait weren't most fighting game mods not allowed in tournaments?
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>>272334476
melee will be there, but it probably won't be mainstage. if it doesn't get good numbers things will probably change in years following
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>>272330074
Capcom doesn't stop Tony Majors from bringing rainbow edition.
Unless you mean Marvel 2 mods which was purely cosmetic shit, and dropped because people stopped playing marvel 2 and when they did there was a version on current consoles(meaning no need to have dreamcasts).
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At least something that's Nintendo related that's actually good happened this month with 3DS homebrew.
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>>272334653
There's a small part of the community that starts shit and can't accept the fact that Melee was a lighting in a bottle type of game, in term of competitiveness. It's unique and will never happen again.
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>>272334578
I understand why they're doing it. That doesn't mean people have to like it.
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>>272333403
Yes you do.

You see DotA all the time, anon. Along with CS.
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>>272334695
>If Project M becomes too popular, nobody will bother to play or buy Smash 4

there is not a possible universe where this could happen. even if Project M was getting 500k viewers on Evo mainstage, millions would still be Smash 4, in fact it would probably help sales by pushing out the Smash brand
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>>272334852
And to put it in more general terms
>There's a small part of the community that starts shit and can't accept the fact that Nintendo was a lighting in a bottle type of company, in term of quality. It's unique and will never happen again.
They had a good run in the 20th century, at least.
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>>272323163
I saw your post in that thread, I gave you my finest upboat :^)
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>>272334476
>Smash 4 is at EVO
>turns out to be boring as fuck
>everyone hates it, ResidentSleepers intensify
>Smash Bros. is dropped from EVO altogether, Nintendo's sponsorship ends up killing the scene
THANKS NINTENDO
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>>272333831
Sethlon will get there eventually
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>>272321881
>PM
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>>272334993
There's no need to start more shit, Anon.
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You heard it here first people. Blizzard to C&D DotA 2 once HotS comes out due to competition.
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>>272334551
Both are casual faggots that can't learn new games and just stick to a single game while slandering everything else. It's exactly like dealing with STfags that bitched and moaned about SF3 and 4 when those games came out.
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>>272334852
>It's unique and will never happen again
And whenever those people point out that fact they get a storm of HURR WHY DON'T YOU MOVE ON JUST ADAPT :')
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>>272334593
Is the banana move not banned? Doesn't that count as an item?
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>>272335043
>smash 4 at evo
>ends up being hype as fuck
>everyone loves it
>Smash Bros official tournaments with real tournament rules and stages
THANKS NINTENDO
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>>272335145
People did adapt to Brawl though. Problem is that Brawl was shallow as fuck and had one character that dominated everything.
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>>272335168
>Is the banana move not banned
Why the fuck would it be?
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>>272328614
No one took your precious mod away. You can still play it right now, hell you can watch Xanadu streams till the end of time if you want. It simply has no place in officially sponsored tournaments, live with it m8.
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>>272334923
I don't see why PM can't kill the other Smash. Mods can gain traction and become hugely popular. It happens on PC with the likes of CS and DOTA.
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That is pretty fucked up. It's kinda shitty timing too to have a new build of Project M in the same week as Smash 4.
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>>272335043
it's the baby's not wanting to play ball with nintendo. Watch as nintendo does a S&D on them.
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>>272335189
>ends up being hype as fuck
Pretty much zero chance of this, have you even seen the Invitational or any of the post-launch official tourneys? They're awful. Timeouts galore.
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>Project M faggots getting BTFO

shit this makes up for not getting a 60 dollar Wii U today

no it doesn't but fuck it made me smile anyway
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>>272335270
I dunno, I thought tourneyfags hated items/outside influences
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>>272335168
What? That'd be like banning Peach's turnips or ROB's top.
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>>272334338
PM has its own tournaments. It's the main event at any Tourney Locator run tournament.

PMfags are mad because Strife actually promised that PM would be a mainstage event this year. People had flights booked already. Their fault for trusting that faggot, though. I hope he quits for real, but he won't. Just like every year.
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>>272335392
Well, at least you don't have a nogaems box. You'd get bored of Brawl 2 in a month again anyway.
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>>272335189

show me a hype Sm4sh match and I might believe this is possible
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>>272334593
why would they not play in final destination?
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>>272335304
Well it already killed brawl
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>>272335474
You're a fucking idiot
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>>272335496
>You'd get bored of Brawl 2 in a month again anyway.
Such is the Smash Bros cycle.
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>>272335168
Nah, only Nintendo bans you for that kind of thing.
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>>272335474
It's not an outside influence if it's a special move you can use on command, Peach can pull bombs and beam swords out of her ass and that move isn't banned either.
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>>272335385
I have friends that are like 'How can you SAY that smash 4 is boring? There haven't even been any tourneys yet' while I've watched a bunch of tourneys and they've seen jack shit except the invitational.

Smash 4 is alright to play, but holy fuck is it boring to watch and a bad competitive game.
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>>272335385
>Timesout galore
Maybe when the the game first came out
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>>272335478
Yea, why don't they do that too? Any sort of outside items are for casuals right?
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>>272335392
Project M faggots seem to be doing a pretty good job of deflecting arguments in this thread, but you don't actually care about that. You're just here to shitpost.
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>>272335682
Those aren't outside items, silly.
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>>272335641
I am confused by smash tourney mentality. The whole idea is to remove any sort of items and ban stages, so why not ban moves and go full on faggot?
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>>272335474
It's not an outside influence if its part of the character's moveset.
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>>272335682
I get it, you're merely pretending to be retarded.
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>>272335385
>Timeouts galore.
Boy, where have I seen that before? But people just adapted and accepted it, right?
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>>272335576
No, Melee killed Brawl. PM was its replacement.
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>>272335776
>Project M faggots seem to be doing a pretty good job of deflecting arguments in this thread
I don't think we're reading the same thread, Anon.
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>>272335480

>Alex Strife will never bow out of the scene gracefully

every fucking year he causes shit because he loves the attention. What a horrible TO, honestly it's disgraceful that people still see Apex as the premier smash tourney when vgbootcamp, tl and MioM run circles around that shitshow on a weekly basis and Juggleguy manages to run TBH4 with over 700 entrants in two days without a single hitch
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>>272335043

There's no way it could be any more boring than fucking Killer Instinct.
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Will they be accepting custom B moves or is the community still split on it?

And I really hope nintendo doesnt make the ruleset
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I'll be honest, I think it's hilarious to see P:M fags cry and that's the only reason I come to these type of threads.

Continue, I am amused
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>>272335643
>except the invitational.
Did you watch that same finals I did m8? I mean, not saying that the newer tournaments haven't been shit too, but watching zero out-lame hbox is not my idea of a good time.
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>>272335820
Because you're a dumb faggot and don't understand how bans work.

Controlled RNG isn't a bad thing at all. That's why Peach, Game and Watch etc are fine. Items are not controllable at all.

Stage bans are due to either bad stages, or because they enable infinites, infinite stalling etc.
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>>272321881
It's not that it's okay if Nintendo does it, it's
>It's okay if it fucks over an annoying fanbase
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>>272335960

>timed matches
>4 player FFA with items

:^) competitive
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>>272333490
You fuck off retard

Go spout buzzword s over at reddit
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>>272335820
>The whole idea is to remove any sort of items and ban stages
The whole idea is to remove RANDOMLY SPAWNING ITEMS that gave an unreasonable advantage to whoever they spawn closer to and ban stages that result in overly polarizing matchups or retarded strategies. Nobody wants to see someone pick Fox, counterpick Temple, and run away while spamming lasers because most characters can do absolutely nothing against that strategy.
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>>272334070
>significant chunk

ayyy
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>>272336049
It was awful. I don't have a problem with zoning or laming out, but when that's all a game has it's boring.

And I think they're going to be in for a rude awakening when the Smash 4 tourneys start dropping.
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>>272336124
Project M fans don't invade Smash 4 friend code threads to stir up shit. You people do. Go here and ctrl+f Project M. >>272284019
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>Nintendo doesn't want an unlicensed modification to one of their games to be played in a televised setting where they are promoting the next game in that series
>people think this is unfair or unreasonable
If there's any chance someone could mistakenly gain the impression that project M is a licensed Nintendo product it could adversely effect the brand.
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>>272335904
Yeah I'm pretty much done with APEX.

Was looking to go to a national next year and I'm pretty sure it's gonna be TBH5 over APEX. Juggleguy is kind of an asshole but at least he's no nonsense and has his shit together. Strife is just a worthless faggot.
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>>272335859
They did until capcom pulled the cash bonuses from tournaments and dropped the entire project.
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>implying people won't hold side tournaments for Project M in their hotel rooms

Like nigga how hard is it to take a wii? I'm thinking about do it to be quite honest. Might try and make some bucks off of it too
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>>272335820
>The whole idea is to remove any sort of items and ban stages, so why not ban moves and go full on faggot?

no, dumbass. that's not the idea.

the idea is to remove randomness that is outside of player control (Peach chooses to roll the dice on every turnip pull, so it's not out of the player's control), and stages are banned specifically so that specific strategies and moves won't need to be banned due to the fact that they encourage degenerative gameplay like runaway projectile camping or camping by the blast zone at high % fishing for a bthrow kill

put simply : if stages like Termina and Temple were legal, then tourneys would have to ban certain moves and tactics. but when you're playing 1v1 Battlefield no items, even the gayest possible strats are legit, so there's no need to meddle with it any more
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>>272336280
>it's only been a few days, the meta will change!
>it's only been a few weeks, the meta will change!
>it's only been a few months, the meta will change!
I can't fucking wait for all those Smash 4 apologists to shut up and admit that the game probably isn't going to be very interesting at a high level.
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>>272336454
tl;dr

why would you spend so much time typing that lol
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>>272336440
They might, but none of the big PM names are going for obvious reasons. Rolex and ProfPro were supposed to have a rematch. It would have been fucking great.

Oh well, maybe they'll fly out for the next LTC or something.
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>>272336582
At that point they'll just start going
>competitive party game
again, and pretend like they never cared.
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>>272336310
>If there's any chance someone could mistakenly gain the impression that project M is a licensed Nintendo product it could adversely effect the brand.

Why do people keep saying this when it's blatantly not true?

Sega, one of the shittiest companies out there knows this better than Nintendo. Directly hiring out fan developers to make content for them. Or Valve with how they don't give a shit and roll in the money everyone else makes for them.

Or how about 2K games, whom openly endorse a huge modification to XCOM games as being better than the game they made?
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>>272336440
>hiding in hotel rooms while the real fighting games take place

Oh god, you guys are really pathetic
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>>272336582
It's the exact same thing that happened with Brawl. No matter how much time passed, people thought that Melee-level play would just materialize out of the ether one day.
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>>272334854
DotA and CS are official games published by Valve.
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THIS DOESN'T GIVE YOU AN EXCUSE TO COME AND TRY AND SHIT UP EVO SOME MORE.

YOUR TOURNAMENT LAST YEAR WAS AWFUL.
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>>272336305
/v/ is like 80% hardcore nintendo fans. For some reason they have to shit up project m threads because it isn't official and takes away hype from smash 4. They see it as a rival or some shit meanwhile project m fans jut wank off in their own 3.5 whatever threads.

>>272336440
>side tournaments for Project M in their hotel rooms
yeah people already talked about doing that so they won't waste the trip
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i wish the president would enact a mandate that requires nintendogaf to be put into fucking internment camps.
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>>272336598

hahaha good one bro. not sure why I thought someone asking a question as stupid as 'why don't they ban Peach downB' could have been serious in the first place
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>>272336792
Too bad, Nintendo will shit it up even worse. Look up the last round of the E3 invitational, because that's what all the Smash 4 matches at Evo will be like.
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>>272336582

Even Brawl is fun to watch at a high level, though admittedly it's the least fun out of the series, including Sm4sh and 64 (god damn 64 is fun to watch)
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The only reason I ever follow this scene is because the drama outshines everything. The canyon wide splits between each series just makes it all the more better. I mean look what happened in the past week alone:

>Karrissagate
>PM dumped from Apex
>Apex staffed swamped with death/rape threats

And prog finally going on twitter to announce another schism in the community as if we didnt fucking know it wouldn't happen. Smash is without a doubt the single most childish and entitled gaming community I've had the pleasure of stirring shit in and I'm sitting here with my toes tingling, literally tingling, waiting for Smash 4 to be announced for EVO'15. The chimp-out that will follow is gonna be so awesome.
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>shitting on modders
>supporting an ass-backwards developer-consumer relationship

I don't even play competitive fighting games, and this is just bizarre. It's 2014. This is why Nintendo is becoming irrelevant. This is why Miyamoto is seen as an ignorant asshole when he makes remarks like "We could have made Halo." Nintendo keeps shooting themselves in the foot by acting as if Steam, PC, and Half-Life 2 never happened. Well, it's their fucking loss.

If Valve had made SSB, they would have hired the PM developers and everyone wins. Fans and devs alike. With Nintendo, they just shit all over their fanbase so hard it makes me genuinely feel sorry for the PM devs. I regret supporting Nintndo by owning a Wii U and 3DS. At least I only have a couple of games for both systems. I'm going to hack my systems as soon as possible to break out of Nintendo's brainwashed closed-garden nonsense.
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>>272336890
sorry, you guys are just too easy
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>>272336764

you have never been to an event remotely similar to this in your life, have you?
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none of you faggots would ever go go apex, do it doesn't really matter
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>>272336779
DotA was and still is a mod for a Blizzard title.

CS:S started as a tourneyfag mod for HL.
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>>272336978
Nice Projection there PM shill
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>>272336848
>/v/ is like 80% hardcore nintendo fans. For some reason they have to shit up project m threads because it isn't official and takes away hype from smash 4. They see it as a rival or some shit meanwhile project m fans jut wank off in their own 3.5 whatever threads.
It's just shitposters looking for a reason to shitpost. This just happens to be the low effort shitposting de jour.
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>>272336792

the only awful was Hungrybox

everything else was fine. TBH4 was so much better by virtue of not having his faggot ass in top8
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>>272336907
>implying nintendo is going to be in charge of the ruleset
>comparing a tourney they hosted for fun to EVO
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>>272337039
CS rather, not CS:S
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>>272337098

>>>/pol/
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>>272337039
don't bother explaining, nintendrones don't understand that it's possible for both sides to thrive from good modding. they only understand that it is their god-given duty to protect nintendo's share prices and bottom line at all costs.
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There's always the parking lot.
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>>272336743
Even if it's not true, that is the reasoning.
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>>272337101
why are P:Mfags so easily baited? really, why are they so defensive and easily angered?
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>>272336792
>Literally better than every other game there
>i-t-t-t was awful
Cry more m8
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>>272337150
why wouldn't they be? all they would have to say is "you will use our rules or we will not allow you to have your event" and regardless or legality or precedent nintendogaf would lap it up worship the hand that slaps them.
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>>272336932
>Apex staffed swamped with death/rape threats


>swamped

overstatement of the century. if you actually believe that shit, then you must not be familiar with the individual known as Alex Strife
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>not at apex

>will be at other tournaments not sponsored by nintendo
>nintendo just asked for it not to be there
>they didn't C&D them
As long as they just have Smash 4 at Nintendo sponsored events they'll be fine, Project M can run wild wherever Nintendo isn't sponsoring.

>Junebug can finally play Ganondorf now that he's been buffed as fuck and diddy's been nerfed
awwwwwwwwwwww yeah
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>>272336848
>they see it as a rival or some shit
Speaking as someone who really doesn't care much about smash but has enjoyed all three, I just find Project M sad.

I remember people taking smash a little too seriously at a local LAN center, usually the same kids who played that GCN Naruto fighter, and all I can picture when I think of Project M is those kids grown up but no different whatsoever
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>>272337138
The Armada vs Hbox matches may not have been the most high speed but they were still super intense. I enjoyed watching them. If you had watched their previous sets you could see how much hbox had stepped up his game.

Admittedly finals was a shit. Just mango dunking hbox like we all knew he would.
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>>272337307
Are you fucking retarded? They can drop Smash and do the event without it FG community doesn't give a shit about Smash.
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>>272336907
If it was anything like Evo last year, it will be going 4 HOURS OVERTIME FOR A GAME THAT IS NOT HYPE AND IS BORING TO WATCH BECAUSE THEIR RULESET MAKES EACH MATCH 10 MINUTES.
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>>272337215

they're really not, in my experience. it's more like the shitposters trying to rile them up are especially dedicated and artistically committed to their cause
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>>272337150
I wouldn't put it past Mr Wizard to pull something like that if Smash 4 were at Evo

Look at what he did with Brawl
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>>272337307
Yeah, because Evo is nothing without Smash
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>>272337215
If someone cares enough to defend Project M, they're probably pretty fucking invested in it.
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>>272337176
Fuck off shill
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>>272337039
>CS started as a tourneyfag mod for HL.

How can I take this board seriously anymore when underage morons just type before thinking?

Counter-Strike was created by two college kids in 1999 with a lot of time on their hands. It's pure chance that it was picked up by the competitive scene and endorsed by Valve. Get your facts straight.
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>>272337465
find me a universe in which a nintendrone would not do literally anything that nintendo told them
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>>272337305
I'm a smashfag and the BB finals were more hype than ours. That shit was great.
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>>272337490
Just look at this thread, look how mad and defensive the P:M posters are. Look at the denial and delusion
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>>272337098
>not supporting a company that has become dramatically more jewish in the last two years makes you a shill
The mind of the Nintendrone is a strange one.
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>>272337215
autism
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>>272337585
What the fuck are you even talking about?
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>>272337465
Mr Wizard will do literally anything if he gets paid enough
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>>272337569
>Fuck off shill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3MkEr4SqyY
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>Street Fighter fans
>played all the previous street fighters
>used to have SF3 at tourneys, then it was SF4 and everyone adapted

>KoF fans
>have accepted KoF XIII as their game and don't go back to KoF 2002 or shit like that

>MvC fans
>played regular MvC3 until Ultimate came, everyone moved and adapted

>Smash fans
>autistic manchildren who refuse to adapt and instead they keep playing the same 13 year old game, even to go as far as to modify the next installment to be like the previous one via romhacks

This is why Meleefags are the literal cancer of both Smash and the FGC

tl;dr ahahaha fuck Project Mfags
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>>272337443
>Admittedly finals was a shit. Just mango dunking hbox like we all knew he would.

exactly. I was going to mention that that match on Stadium was legit as fuck but took the low effort route of just shitting on hbox lol.

but yeah I was really complaining about GF, since that's what 99% of people who know nothing about the game will base their opinion of its Evo showing on. just Mango slowly boyz in the hooding juan so he can usmash him. snooze
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>>272337473
Nintendo's ruleset makes shit even longer.
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>>272337602

do me a favor and point it out for me.
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>>272337602
Saying that people you don't like are in denial and delusional doesn't win you the argument. I've been in this thread for a while and all I've seen is the PM people standing their ground against a bunch of shitposters. Fuck off.
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>>272337907
case in point
>>272337908
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Look upon the bright future of Smash 4 tourneys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKkGQqyRe4
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>>272337889
doesn't their ruleset allow stalling?
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>>272337574
This is where P:M fags fall down

Every other mod that has been accepted into become official supported game and actually mattering had a massive casual fan bases before, like millions, not 100.000 tops, and that is being quite generous.

This mod is going to fad into the distance just like all the others, it just isn't popular enough to keep going indefinitely.
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>>272337807

ebin copypasta, but we've been over it already

the differences in mechanics between Melee and Brawl are not at all comparable to the differences between any two versions of SF, king of spics or mahvel
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>>272337976

that's denial and delusion, huh.

you must be pretty easily impressed, because that just seems like normal /v/ conversation to me
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>>272337574
Yeah, and faggot? Quake was made in 1996 and an incredible competitive game.

It wasn't chance that CS was picked up by a competitive crowd, it was how they balanced and refined it.
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>>272337807
Smashfags should just stop playing Smash, or at least stop having hope for new entries and not try to integrate with the FGC. Sakurai wants the Wii audience and only the Wii audience, and all NoA cares about is advertising. Meleefags and the like should just do their own small events without sponsorships, because the game they like isn't going to be made again.
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>>272338016
I can't speak for the whole community, but I just want something that's new and isn't Melee. I don't need it to be the greatest shit ever, I just want something that has some potential for growth, since Melee doesn't have a lot of room for development left.
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>>272328183
How do you think a competitive scene is formed? Brawls never took off in that at the higher levels of play, it's boring to watch as defensive options trump offensive.

Boring to watch = no spectators = dead competitive scene.

Sure, you can get some people to maybe agree to not play at the optimal method and try to make it a spectator friendly game, but there will always be at least a few people who say fuck that, play the boring defensive style that Brawl encouraged and beat everyone else until they're also forced to play that way to win.

A competitive scene won't arise from a game that is fundamentally not built for it, which is Sakurais retard vision.
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reminder nintnedo is desperate enough to stoop down to "eSports" level
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Competitive Smash players are such man babies. Get over it. P:M isn't a licensed product from Nintendo. Can't be televised, simply. Promoting new game, simply again. This will benefit APEX beyond belief having Nintendo back it up. This is a good way for Nintendo to get into the eSports scene, and really make something out of the competitive Smash scene instead of being a basement dwelling competitive scene that only attracts over grown mongoloids.
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>>272337807
>Comparing apples to oranges

Smash is at least ten times more popular than all of those other games combined, yet somehow wanting to be involved in the development process of the newest installment makes someone autistic. Your logic is fucking baffling.

Then again, I am just feeding a troll in the end. Sincerely responding in these threads leads nowhere anymore.

Every game company in the world should try to emulate Valve's consumer-developer relationship. It's perfectly balanced.
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>>272337985
>4 stock
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>>272337807
>Street Fighter
>KoF
>MvC

All franchises that the developers put effort into making competitive and not the opposite like Sakurai.
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>>272337985
>Those finals
They sound like they're commentating golf.
This is rough.
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>>272338374
The problem is that Smash 4 looks like it's just Brawl again, and nobody wants to watch Brawl anymore. It's still campy defensive spamfests and as soon as the scene dies they'll just leave it behind and never look back.
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>>272337985
oh jesus anyone could play this
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>>272337985

literally lullaby levels of hype. this is the game that Prog and D1 are pretending to be excited for the future of, etc, when to anyone that's not wearing fucking blinders its pretty obviously Brawl 2.0 in every way that matters
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>>272338280
It's confusing to me as Miyamoto recently stated that he was fed up with the Wii audience and them wanting to be spoonfed casual content and that he wanted to get back to making core games, then Sakurai basically says fuck that and that casuals are top dog.
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>>272338784
the qualifiers were 4 player ffas in random gamespots.
It literally was just anyone.
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>>272338784
That was the design philosophy behind Brawl and Smash 4. Lower the skill ceiling so good players can't stomp on bad players as quickly. Unfortunately that's what made Brawl so fucking boring to watch.

/r/ing the match between Meta Knight and Ice Climbers on Battlefield where they spend the first minute of the match staring at each other waiting for one to approach
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>>272338532
This is such a perfect description of the commentary.
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>>272337985
>Cherrypicking
Epic, simply epic.
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>>272338192
>Yeah, and faggot? Quake was made in 1996 and an incredible competitive game.

What on Earth are you talking about? I love Quake, but this has nothing to do with it.

>It wasn't chance that CS was picked up by a competitive crowd, it was how they balanced and refined it.

It was pure luck that CS gained traction in the early days. Half-Life mods were a-dime-a-dozen back in the day and used to come on disks in PC gaming magazines. CS was lucky to have the remarkably dedicated community that sprung around it, considering the other mods around at the time (Action Half-Life, etc.)
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>>272338969
And the end result is that a good player stomps a bad player still, it's just infinitely worse to watch. They die an agonizing death of a thousand cuts instead of a quick one.

>>272339072
Please, provide some hype high level smash 4 play. High level, not for glory trash throwing random falcon punches.

The best I've seen is those early japanese tournaments, and those were far from optimal play.
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>>272339072
>Cherrypicking
I'm still rooting for smash 4 but that was an official tourney nintendo made a big deal about.

Of course they handled it horribly though.
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>>272339072
The game has no room for growth beyond this. It plays just like Brawl and everyone already knows how to play Brawl. The game's not even a month old yet and the metagame development is already dead.
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>>272339072
>cherrypicking
>the entirety of a Smash 4 tourney being played the way Nintendo intended it
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>>272339245
>>272339265
>>272339314

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAHbsMG2_FU&list=UU5WNBHwgluAwWJE5QV-5_TA
:^)
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>>272338969
>/r/ing the match between Meta Knight and Ice Climbers on Battlefield where they spend the first minute of the match staring at each other waiting for one to approach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WQSRyIBAF8

THis match encapsulates literally everything wrong with Brawl
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>>272339072

then cherrypick an exciting one dickbreath

here, I can cherrypick three exciting Melee matches off the top of my head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcfv63Xvs5c - Mango v Leffen @ Apex 14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omi9MyweC_I - Mango v Taj @ Genesis 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qna80MbcAAc - M2K v Shiz @ RoM

your turn. show me the exciting Smash 4 matches please
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So, if Sakurai wanted to make a game where everyone can win, why not just make the results screen label everyone a winner?
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>>272339434
Yes. It still plays like Brawl. And no amount of character balancing patches is going to develop the game's competitive scene because it is slow and boring compared to Melee at its very core.
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>>272339442
>people will defend this
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>>272339442
Can't wait until someone blames the players and not a game that encourages this behavior.
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>>272339434
>fan tournament
If it's with Nintendo's sponsorship, it'll be by Nintendo's rules, which have a precedent set by the Invitational and National Open. As they're in this for advertisement, it's in their best interest to force items and random stages, especially boss stages, and rules that result in long matches to show off these features as much as possible.
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>>272339696
And yet in Smash 3DS online threads you'll see people bitching about all the times they get fucked over because of things like moves being unsafe on hit.
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>>272334683
Even [email protected] has had Ganon vs Wario and Mario vs Wario finals, Wario even won on multiple occaissions.

This was on 3.02
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>>272339485

Not him, adding to your list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKfGNdSxy5E#t=341

The ending of this match is fucking bonkers.
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>>272339830
And nothing about the game is flawed, you just need to git gud :')
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>>272339485
>USE THE LASER!
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>>272339434

>slow as fuck pokefests

>commentators have something insightful to say maybe once every two minutes

>ends with an SD and golf claps

what an intense match.
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Literally no one cares
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>>272339434
This is supposed to be hype? Really?
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>>272339830

To be fair, that's always been a problem in previous games. I don't know why stuff like that hasn't been fixed though.
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>>272340132

Mango is the king of disrespect. noobs that talk about Ganon dairs being 'big disrespect' don't even know
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>>272340248
Well, this is it. I've become the sort of person that finds a Melee space furry FD fight more interesting than a fight in the newest Smash.
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>>272340371
word
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>The company is involved with Apex in an attempt to promote Smash 4 to the competitive audience-

BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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>Not still playing 64, Melee, Brawl, and Smash 4 because you've 100% completed all four and appreciate the characters, stages, music, mechanics, and differences between all of them and like to marathon them with family and friends at parties
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>>272340576
>the same way these fags shit up our games.
How do tourneyfags shit up games? If anything, they're actually arguing to make games that can appeal to everyone at this point, while Sakurai wants the Wii audience exclusively, to the point that he's going against the word of his senior, Miyamoto, who calls that very audience pathetic.
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>>272336454
>>272336202
>tournyfags in charge of being consistent

Holy shit you fags can't even design your own ruleset catered to you
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>>272340248

you could post any match from any set in TBH4 top8 and it would be more exciting than any round of Smash 4 ever played. Westballz vs Lucky, Lucky bs Mango, Leffen vs Armada and m2k vs Mango in Winners were all fucking mind-blowing

>>272340513

welcome to the club. continue to partake and you will eventually recognize the Fox vs Fox matchup to be one of the most glorious and volatile games in the world
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>>272340248
God, I love seeing Leffen get bodied.
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>>272328820
>But there is a Smash 4 out now with Nintendo's support. There's no need for the mod anymore except for archival reasons.

wat

PM isn't needed any longer because smash 4 is out? Even though it makes the same mistakes brawl does?

I know I a being tricked but I responded anyways.
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>>272340847
4/10 shitpost, someone might give a serious response
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>>272340248
They say this is fun to watch? This is boring as hell. Where are the items? Where is the fun?
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Good, Project M is shit
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>>272340934
iktfb
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>>272340846
>while Sakurai wants the Wii audience exclusively, to the point that he's going against the word of his senior,

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/14/4429220/super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-nintendo-3ds-removes-tripping

>"To paint in broad strokes, Melee is for the maniac, the veteran player, while Brawl is for a newer, more casual gamer, as far as the speed goes," Sakurai explained. "Melee, of course, is super fast, and the people who are used to that game love that gameplay. But it may be a barrier for folks who found it a little imposing. Brawl was designed to be more approachable and accessible by folks who might [used to be playing] Wii Fit or Wii Play."

>"Now, with the new Smash Bros., we're thinking the positioning will be really right in the middle."
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>>272341037

If you can't appreciate that webm even in the slightest. Then I am sorry to say you are the most casual of the casual and are the cancer killing video games.
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>>272341037
The fun comes from seamlessly linking moves together and predicting your opponents moves and DI, resulting in an extremely fast and efficient kill that you were able to do because you were good at the game, not because a bob-omb spawned next to you.
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>>272327121

They could just say "we dont support this one way or the other, but we support choice"

Would be a simple way to skirt the issue and save face
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>>272341128
>>272341156
Not saying it can't be fun to play but fun to watch? Fuck no, bro.
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>>272341102
And then he just made Brawl again, since none of the things that made Melee fast and fun have returned.
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Nintendo could not have supported Apex if they held PM tournaments there as they use characters such as Roy and Mewtwo (as well as plenty of skins not in Brawl) that don't belong there. Nintendo just permitted fanmade projects, so PM will most likely be supported by Nintendo in the future.
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>>272341037
>items
>fun
Sakurai can't even give us that. Items used to add to the frantic pace of a casual match, now they all do shit like instantly steal a stock, take away your character control, or make everything a mad dash for one of now fucking two three-piece instant kill weapons.
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>>272341265

Sorry anon. You are a confirmed casual.
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>>272340923
Man I love Melee to death but Fox dittos will never be the hypest. They're fine and all, don't get me wrong, but I'd prefer Fox vs any other top tier. Or Flaco dittos, or Falcon dittos.

One of the guys who helped run the recent tournament Fox Wit It (which had a top 4 of 4 foxes) left the tournament after top 4 started because he hates Fox dittos (even though those finals were great).
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>>272325085
PM is over-saturated with costumes. So few of them are actually good, too.
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>>272341272
You mean the glitches they regret leaving in because it made people think that it's something that you have to do to be considered skilled at a game?
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>>272321881
>is this the biggest case of
>>its ok if nintendo does it

>nobody said it was okay
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>>272341102
I can guess that maybe 1% of Brawl players came from the Wii Fit crowd. At most.

And despite Melee being 'too fast', it sold better relative to the install base.
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>>272341265
im sorry that youre a phillistine that display of skill was fucking art
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>>272341037
Items aren't fun.

Though to be fair, that webm would be a hell of a lot better with bigger dimensions and sound, which this shitty site still doesn't support.
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>>272341102
>we're thinking the positioning will be really right in the middle
I never understood this logic because to the hardcore audience it's a compromise between a game they liked and a game they disliked while the casual fanbase would care or notice either way.
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ITT: Stream monsters

If you want to play PM at Apex 2015... fucking go to Apex 2015 bruh. They're will still be setups and enough people to run a side tournament. After over salty suites isn't just one room, its gonna be they entire fucking hotel having salty suites for every game you wanna play. PM is not blacklisted, just not supported, its no different than SFxT, vanilla marvel, mvc2, or DOA 3. If you want to play it at APEX just bring a setup or look around. There will be plenty.
That being said, fuck brawl
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>>272341265
If you were watching this live, knew how hard it was to pull that shit off, and that both players could do that shit equally as well, you would understand.
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>>272341102

He's wrong, though. Melee was in the middle to begin with, it appealed to casual babbs and tourneyfags alike. There's no point in finding a 'happy medium' between a game everyone liked and a game only some people liked.
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>>272341102
All he did was take out the bits that were literally random (tripping, random input delay). Otherwise is still pretty Brawl.
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>>272335189
Yeah this is incredibly unlikely
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>>272340846
>appeal to everyone
With retarded phrases like "high level play", "rewarding skill", and "fast paced gameplay" floating around just to make them look legit everywhere I doubt it was made to for everyone.
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>>272341272
Smash 4 isn't perfect but it's not an absolute shitfest like Brawl. It's not Melee tier either, but it's honestly alright.
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Guess y'all niggas are going to have to play at home with your friends

oh wait
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>>272341384
I didn't realize conservation of momentum was a glitch anon. Life must be glitchy as fuck.
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>>272339485
Oh wow, M2K and Mango destroy and style on someone as usual, look at all this hype

This is seriously par for the course with them, I dont see how people get hype about it.
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>>272341384
L-cancelling was a returning mechanic from Smash Bros 64. Wavedashing was just the physics engine doing its thing in unexpected ways. It was not an error in the programming, everything in Melee functions perfectly fine. It's not a perfectly balanced game, but to say that you can only win by exploiting glitches is just wrong.
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>>272340797
You are a faggot with no taste or opinion
You think liking everything makes you better than other people
Kill yourself
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>>272341484

It's still a slow campy piece of shit. But now with people living even longer than they did in brawl and tons of projectile spam camping.

It's so bad they have to do 2 stock matches in tourney to make them not last all fucking day.

Sakuai has learned nothing from brawl. And did not find a middle ground between melee and brawl.
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>>272321881
>nintendo copying hasbro
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