For you who don't know, this image was the first image in history that showed Samus's ass. None of the first three Metroid games showed her from behind without the Power Suit, and not even Fusion not the first Prime did this.
I feel that this image in particular is to blame for being THE starting point of Samus's transformation from respected bounty hunter to sex object.
I know she had bikinis is earlier titles, but this shot is different - it's a blatant ass shot and her butt is extreme.
Anyone else agree?
so your argument is that women are so weak they're either sexy OR a good character
GG you're a dumb bitch. We dont complain how men are sexualised so fuck off and let us enjoy vidya
Metroid fans always knew the zero suit was fap fuel but the damage came from it being in Smash. Had it been contained to the one GBA title, the sexualization and objectification (I can't believe I'm using those words) wouldn't be nearly as bad.
Just because a small but extremely loud crowd is shitting on Other M at first possible opportunity doesn't mean most people do.
Her butt doesn't look like a regular butt.
>Her butt doesn't look like a regular butt.
I was going to reply to this post but then I just realized I've spent minutes of my time reading and discussing the extent to which a virtual character's ass affects her personality and character in the eyes of fat sweaty virgins everywhere.
I'm going to go get a drink and ponder how my life got this shit.
I was a fucking kid that just played the videogame
I didnt give one fucking shit what samus looked like
Now that im older, i want samus to look like pic related because it should be canon
Samus being a sex object is not the problem with the Metroid series.
The problem is Other M was a terrible game that tarnished the series' reputation, and Nintendo has yet to redeem themselves with a new one.
>B-but people are fapping to my waifu
There's a lot more Zelda porn than there is Metroid porn.
Imagine her fat butt assimilating your face like her hand here.
Except it didn't, save for a small group of retards on neogaf, 4chan and other gaming forums. The avarage buyer of Other M didn't give a shit that Samus showed her weaknesses or called the Metroid the baby.
It's just one big shit train created by upset forum people who wants everyone to believe that all Metroid people think like they do.
Please stop calling Samus's butt fat, as it's clearly not (except in fan art like that image).
This image didn't hurt Samus.
Brawl did by essentially putting "sexy Samus" out in the open, and since so many people play Smash Bros., more people were exposed to her this way, thinking Samus is supposed to be "sexy big-titted girl in skintight bodysuit" rather than "bounty hunter in power armor." Just Google Samus Aran and see how many Zero Suit pictures you get as opposed to Power Suit.
I know the Zero Suit was in a couple of games before Brawl, but in those cases, they were always at the end or towards the end. You had to actually play the game to see it, and in at least one case, play it well. Brawl put it right front and center so everybody, even those who have never played a Metroid game, can see it.
It's funny how these arguments always frame any female sexuality as bad, which is also sexist. Samus can sexually desirable and be a good character. Or to put it more directly, simply being sexually desirable does not make a character bad.
What you say make sense, but you do know how infamous the OP pic is, don't you.
Show me a Brawl pic of her that is that infamous.
I never said it was fat. But it is extreme.
Sure, but this is just blatant sexualization. And it's all because of her extreme ass.
Come on, that's a screencap from a trailer. Anyone could pause a trailer to find a suggestive frame.
Definitely more damage than a game only self proclaimed Metroid experts love to hate everyone else on their shitty little message board hates it too.
I've played through Super Metroid and the Prime series. Nothing from those games led me to believe Samus was sexualized in any way. I haven't even seen the picture you posted before. People will make fan art and drool over their favorite characters, it's just what happens.
OP, you are making something of nothing. Samus has always been an awesome, butt-kicking bounty hunter and always will be.
You were anally raped the last time you tried to make this thread.
Give it up.
Hahaha. Mad much brah?
What's the whole point of this entire thing anyway? You think Samus is becoming a sex object. For some she will be and for others, not.
I personally don't think Nintendo is making her into one so I have no complaints.
Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Character being sexy doesn't automatically turn her into a sex object. She wasn't really treated as one until OM where they had her armor come off in scenes that didn't really call for it to show off her zero suit self, complete with camera angles for ass and tit shots. But even in that game it wasn't that prevalent. Arguably the only instance where she's blatantly a "sex object" is in the latest Smash Bros where they gave her stiletto heels even though she's never worn any in any of her games.
There are other ways to render rocket boots than as stiletto heels. They probably thought regular rocket boots would look clunky and out of place on her, but that doesn't really remove the fact that the end result comes off the way it does.
She's canonically supposed to be 6'3" and 198lbs and was genetically modified in her formative years to be a super soldier by some avian alien things, pretty congruent with being a strong, expert badass bounty hunter. But Nintendo needed her to be waifu status so now she's 5'3" and petite.
What about the fact they tried to change Ridley into a Final Fantasy style mascot character? Or the lolrandom PHANTOON GUYS REMEMBER? "Secret" boss? Or the blatant over the head mother and baby allegories?
You are claiming that seeing someone's rear is any different than any time we've seen Samus out of her armor for any other game.
OP confirmed to not care about breasts being sexualized.
The action sequences were good in theory, but yeah it was very linear.
Apparently in Japan it was she was supposed to be 6'3" *in* her armor, which still doesn't account for her becoming as small as she did in Other M.
Nothing wrong with ZSS its just all of the shitty art it brought.
>mfw the state of metroid today
A game series that good had no right to be in the state its in today. No fucking right.
Like imagine if the WiiU had at this point one of each of its first party titles. Like would there be a reason to even consider the other consoles?
Imagine a new F-zero,Metroid,Starfox,Wario platformer,custom robo. It would have been the GC of the future.
No games state. Samus only makes cameos now.
Never played any Metroid, but that is a fine bum.
Why all the
We have no control over what they want to do, and that's how it should be. No one gives a fuck about your and your opinion. Developers should have creative freedom to do as they please.
Don't like samus's ass? Fuck off elsewhere.
How is that a bad thing? Is a person not allowed to have a nice fat bum and a personality?
Well from my lacking understanding the games never did the whole characterising of Samus or anyone else a whole lot.
Zero Suit Samus as an entity dragged the entire concept of Samus into the writing, bukkake-stained abyss of ill repute that is Japanese portrayal of women. Every woman is a cookie-cutter stereotype, and all share the fate of being fap material, or printed onto a life-size body pillow. Other M has sealed that deal, by taking whatever amount of fortitude she had left in her character, and snuffing it out under wads and piles of helpess, emotionally-scarred, beautiful anime girl stereotypes.
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God!
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little ZSS thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The "epic" shot of Samus' damaged ship that happens to contain her ass, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a decade old game. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic Superfag NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "ASS SHOTS ASS SHOTS ASS SHOTS" You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
>Zero Suit Samus as an entity dragged the entire concept of Samus into the writing, bukkake-stained abyss of ill repute that is Japanese portrayal of women
just because people fapped to zss didn't mean that it ruined her character, fuckwad, outfits can imply personality traits, yes, but you're retarded if you think the zss alone changed anything about her character. It was fucking M: OM that did that.
Zero Mission, Brawl and Other M.
Which looks most sexualized to you?
I appreciate this image for what it is--a declaration that round asses are superior to flat ones in all respects, and that women with skinny butts need to do squats and eat a goddamn sandwich if they want to maximize their chances of finding a superior mate. It is the manifestation of overwhelming male preference for child-bearing hips, a biologically ingrained preference designed to ensure our race's survival. Samus, and Nintendo, are simply trying to help humanity thrive.
It's 2014 and there are still people out there that are horrified and disgusted by the female body. That is some dark ages tier mentality you have right there. What the hell causes this mentality to manifest in someone? It's a fucking body, everyone has one, there is nothing bad about it, why the fuck are you offended by it? What the hell man?
>the sexualization and objectification (I can't believe I'm using those words) wouldn't be nearly as bad.
There is nothing wrong with sexualization and objectification. Every human being is built for sex, every human being is an object. There is nothing wrong with sex, there is nothing wrong with breasts and nice asses. I am stating the obvious here, nothing but common sense. Only serious brainwashing could convince someone otherwise.
>everybody flips the fuck out over Link's new design despite it still being largely the same
>any concern about the increasing irrelevance of the power suit in the franchise's popular portrayal is silenced
How is Samus a sex object? Even Other M--which is fucking awful and no one should consider it canon--gives Samus at least some characterization. Yes, it's shitty, but she's clearly not an object.
In fact, until the GBA games, she basically WAS an object. She had almost no dialogue, no characterization, and no real plot line to follow. Most of the shit you learn about her character comes from instruction booklets.
And unless you think Female + Is Sexy = Sex Object, I'm just not seeing it. Frankly, Nintendo hasn't even used Samus enough to qualify her as such. She got two games last gen, one was a Prime that continued the series trend of only barely acknowledging that Samus is a sentient being at all, and Other M which tried to play up her "motherly instincts" and her relationships with her allies and enemies. If you go by which game makes Samus as more of an "object", the answer is clearly Prime, but no one brings pitchforks to that fucking series.
Samus has always had minimal characterization, and has always been showing some skin. You either have to accept that her character is not a sex object now, or has ALWAYS been a sex object.
but both men and women are sex objects in games. if you -- or anyone else -- complain about this, you are no better than a SJW. i'm not saying you are one, but you are just as bad for being equally stupid
>it's a blatant ass shot and her butt is extreme.
>her butt is extreme
what the fuck happened to this place
What difference does it make? It's still Nintendo content, only that it's not in motion.
Plus I don't actually see anything wrong with the OP picture, it's just an ass, extreme or not. Remember when Jack Thompson said when violent video games = violent video gamers and that its generally wrong? So why is this any different?
I think you're a faggot, and are over thinking something fairly minor.
It's one image in one videogame, and it took several more games before Samus was "ruined". It wasn't the turning point. The fact that they made such an easy fucking game with no soul was a turning point, but that's a different matter entirely.
Cry me a river. Game objects are literally objects (aka not fucking real/realistic), which gives artists the freedom to make them however they please. Just as we proved to Jack Thompson. You want something different? Make your own game.
Id' rather other M exists than people dictating what can and cannot be done in future games. Unanimous negative reception should be a learning process for developers, and not a system of restrictions preventing them from taking risks and making mistakes in the future.
It's like Darwinism but for creative endeavors. And it should be that way.
The sexualization did absolutely no damage to the series, in fact it at least brought in new fans, and whether they're retarded or not they're gonna buy the games and keep it alive.
See, Smash had a lot of Samus fanservice, but at the end of the day, she was always depicted in character and true to the games. Before some fag says the games had no personal, please fuck yourself because even just in her brief monologues there was characterization.
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point, and this subject drags the baitfags out, but it really is only Other M that has done any damage. The only negative uses of fanservice, the only negative characterization, the only negative depiction of everything Samus is about is in Other M. No, Samus was not a very complex character, but she absolutely had an established personality that this game contradicted. It could have been an opportunity to explore her further, but nope, it is literally more like a shitty doujin than anything official.
No kidding. Really!?
Thank you so much for clarifying that for me captain fucking obvious.
I'm just in a shitty mood right now, and everything I type comes out sounding fucking mad.
>Show me a Brawl pic of her that is that infamous.
Are you kidding? This image was the start of it all.
The shot of Zero Mission shows Samus in a proper context. The shot is framed so that you get to see her alone among the vast landscape. She's looking down at the Pirate ship she's planning to infiltrate. And the gesture of her holding her arm, shows a bit of trepidation, as she's about to attempt something super dangerous. The ass is just a bonus aspect of the image.
When the brawl image was used in all the promo art, and profile pics, and trophy, it got way more exposure than that one image did. Metroid doesn't have the biggest audience. But Smash Bros he THE biggest audience n the console, So this is the image that introduced a lot of people to the Metroid franchise. And what does this shot display?
She's not quite jumping, she's not quite falling. She's just kind of suspended there in the air, with the perfect angle to show off her ass, as well as show off her boobs. It's the stereotypical look-at-my-body-boys shot you find with female characters. There is no context here, it's just a pose meant to be provocative.
>what separates a regular butt from an extreme butt?
Going from the OP, it's my feelings, my projected insecurities and my complacency with mediocrity
I wanted to say something but then I realized OP was being retarded. As for any non-metroid fans browsing this thread for some reason, please don't take OP to be what most fans are like. I don't give a shit if Samus is sexualized or not. I just want fun, Metroid gameplay again. Sure I personally prefer if she would stay in the Power Suit as much as possible because thats when the gameplay takes place. So as long as its not like Other M where there was entire scenes dedicated to her ass, I don't really care. Other M was shit for plenty of reasons, her behavior and figure were only a selection of these problems. The rest included being a bad GAME on GAMEPLAY terms. The d-pad to navigate was awful, standing still to shoot missiles was awful, pixel hunts were awful, no exploration was awful, etc.
And yes even the general public that plays Metroid games and bought this game were aware of this, outside of /v/ you can even see the backlash of this games bad gameplay.
Holy shit. Just when I thought Metroid fans couldn't get any more insufferable, this thread shows up.
Congratulations, OP. You just hit a new rock bottom.
Most human video game protagonists are sexualized (buff guys, curvy women) because most games rely of power trips, so naturally the character will resemble to most ideal human form for us to assume.
Get over it.
>but she absolutely had an established personality
Prime 2 and 3 were fantastic games.
mnah prime is a pretty messed up franchise but it had some cool features, is a good basis for actual games in the future.
samus ass well i dont see any potential on that, maybe with smash zero's ass but they arent that smart on nintendo.
Even if it was just in her armor, the suit doesn't exactly seem like it would give you that much height, so if that were the case she'd probably still be like 6'0" which is still huge for a woman.
Oh please, show me any strong and respected woman from any media that doesn´t share the fate of being fap material, or is not worthy of being printed onto a life-size body pillow.
It's the fanbase that objectifies it.
Zero suit is just a thin suit, it's not revealing and it's up the audience to consume it in which way they want to. Samus' image is damage much more by Other M and it's take on her personality.
Still young and nice
Gravity starts wining
Gravity is gonna win for good
she did a lipo and a reshape
Ass job, probably wont jiggle and is as hard as bongo drums
More like /v/ wants a metroid that's good, It can have zero suit, hell it can even have dialog. But the gameplay has to be good, and Samus shouldn't be a whiny bitch.
What people don't want is another autistic Aliens Fanfiction like Other M was.
>if the next metroid isn't Other M 2.0 Nintendo will be shit on for becoming an SJW pandering dev
Samus has been showing her body since the nes, fuck off with this objectification bullshit, the zero suit did shit for samus image, everyone knows that what hurt the franchise and samus image was the shitty personality they gave her in other m, the only ones denying this is some othermfags who liked the whiny samus but prefer o blame the zero suit for all the bad comments
brawl zss is what ruined samus
everything before that wasn't a big deal
but yeah i hate the samus porn it's lame as shit, samus is not supposed to be your run of the mill semen demon and it sucks that people want to make her into something she's not
I find people getting austistic over her hight like its the only problem with power suit samus
Look at the fucking power suit shoulder linkage, and samus itself
the power suit is broad as a nigga foot ball player on roids, while samus has a normal shoulder width
how the fuck does that work
hey hunt in prime one was a lot smoother, it was structured well enough that there was little chance you'd find less than two keys before being told you need them.
Most people in their first run of Echoes have no idea about the invisible ing.
Most of her "not smash" porn is typical to her theme, I don't see a problem with.
>getting raped by space pirates
>Taking care of a rescued dog boy so you can get free house cleaning while on missions, then fucking him
also makes sense.
>Getting raped by Draygon
>People whining about the "sexualization" of Samus in Other M
>Same people have a femdom fetish and get off on the thought of tall Amazon Samus fucking them with a strap on
They're really just mad because someone elses sexual preferences are being catered to instead of theirs.
You nintendrones worry about such trivial things.
Isn't she inside a fucking power armor most of the game? So who cares? What's the difference? People will sexualize ANYTHING even if isn't supposed to. See pokemon.
Also her ass/legs are kinda small for my standarts, so that's not impressive at all, that's just a regular ass and could be a guy's ass easily, by its shape.
I always took it as retro saying that the at some point the Chozo realized giving tech to primitives outright was a terrible idea.
It's my head canon that the entire reason they gave Samus the tech was so that she'd deliver it onto humanity when the time was right.
>but yeah i hate the samus porn it's lame as shit, samus is not supposed to be your run of the mill semen demon and it sucks that people want to make her into something she's not
>caring about what people fap to?
Corruption's environments were the best in the series.
>Dat Pirate Homeworld.
>tfw i'm a guy and have a nice butt
Chicks are just as much into asses as dudes (squats for daysssssssss)
she was always a semen demon under that armor
>Primefaggots whine about objectification of Samus with the Zero Suit
>She has always been objectified as a prize to be won since the inception of the entire series
Primefags are the cancer of the Metroid fanbase.
The 2D Games were more or less ripoffs of the Alien Films. The Prime games actually did their own thing with the universe.
>Love advanced bomb jumping and wall jumping
>Only two games in the series have these mechanics (SM and ZM)
>No games outside Metroid have these mechanics either
>lonely space bounty hunter
>somehow people didn't thought that she can be horny as fuck sometimes
samus probably goes around between missions and have lots of alien casual sex
>fucking samus would be like throwing a hotdog down a hallway
I posted that image and I'm a pretty big Primefag. I'm a bigger Superfag though. Every Metroid game is ok at worst until you get to Other M. Also, since people are even complaining about Smash Bros in this thread, let me just point out that Smash Bros improved on the Other M designs by about 1000%. We need to focus all our anger on the one thing at deserves it, and that's Other M.
Nobody who had actually been playing the games since before Prime would whine about "objectification" because it was part of the series since it started. Face it, it's Primefags.
It was cool at first, but then you realize that It wasn't just Sakamoto and gang being huge Ridley Scott fans, they were litterally using it as the basis for the writing without any other effort.
You get this sense HEAVILY in Other M, where Sakamoto throws references around out the ass
>Anthony makes coloney marines quotes like "They're coming out of the walls"
>The Deleter is fucking Android Ash
>The space fork lift boss is obviously the Forklift Mechs
>Queen Metroid finale boss again, as if Metroid 2 didn't make it obvious.
They should have stopped in fusion, where the plot was based off Alien 4, because making Samus part metroid was equally as dumb as making Ripley part xeno.
>Nobody who had actually been playing the games since before Prime would whine about "objectification" because it was part of the series since it started.
I've never whined about objectification in any game I've played. Zero Mission was my first Metroid game, for the record. And I enjoy Prime.
Prime's gameplay is fantastic. But Retro also spent a great amount of time and effort on worldbuilding. And those Logs and Scans add a lot to the game world.
Fusion was great. You couldn't go wherever you wanted whenever you wanted to but it was solid.
Prime 3 , on the other hand:
>was full of poorly working waggle gimmicks
>lacked separate beams
>had an awful story
>turned Samus into a federation foot soldier
>featured an escort mission
>had too much dialogue and NPC interaction
Since the gravity suit (while better) isn't the standard.
At least it's a skin (though still in Other M style sadly). Too bad Samus didn't get any alt costumes based off of other games.
>this is what othermfags actually believe
face it faggot, your shitty game was the reason people started complaining about objectifying samus, and then the older games became targets too to reinforce their agendas
>poorly working waggle gimmicks
That was an issue with the wiimote as a whole.
>Lacked separate beams
Beams melded together in super metroid, this is a non issue in a game that didn't necessarily need a rock paper scissors beam mechanic.
>had an awful story
>turned Samus into a federation foot soldier
Samus does a lot of mercenary work, it's the most common job we ever see her doing. This is why people always question if she's even a bounty hunter and whether or not nintendo even knows what one is.
>Featured an escort mission
That was done well
>too much dialogue and NPC interaction
Only true for the Aura unit, everything else was fine.
>tfw samus will never have low-poly tna
>Aliens took place in a Volcano
>Aliens had only one human character
>Aliens ended with Ripley saving a baby xeno
>Metroid 2 forced Samus to use industrial equipment in the final battle
>That was an issue with the wiimote as a whole.
Not when other games used the wiimote properly. An easy example is close to Corruption - the Prime 1 and 2 parts of Prime Trilogy use the wiimote fantastically.
>Beams melded together in super metroid
Though you could toggle them, and it had more depth than Corruption. Still, if another Metroid game with stackable beams did come out, I'd hope that switching them plays more of a role. Though I'm in favour of Prime/Echoes style personally.
>that was done well
It wasn't the worst escort mission I've seen, but it was pretty painful. It would have been better just to have made the Pirate Overworld bigger instead of making that segment.
samus letting herself get raped by dozens of space pirates makes sense though, since she's most likely an extremely horn and sexually deprived amazon with big ass and glorious torpedo titties
The fascination with the Samus outside of her power suit started with Smash I believe. I don't think the Zero Suit is particularly at fault for this, and in fact things would probably be "worse" if she kept her Justin Bailey suit. In Metroid games outside Other M, Samus only appears briefly in her various under suits. Not to mention that the previous games are 2D and some are old to the point that even the most risque pixel art isn't going to sexually entice most people. Both of these things changed in Smash. The Zero Suit was put in the spot light and even playable, all in 3D to boot. That said, I don't take this issue seriously. Other M is the only real thing to get mad about. Maybe you think the rocket heels look weird or dumb in Smash, that's fine. But the notion that they're "stilettos" designed to enhance her sexappeal is crazy and not something to get incensed over when they're so bulky and clunky looking. And getting upset at fan art is the most ludicrous thing of all this. This was inevitable from day one, it just took the internet some time to adopt the character.
I remember a time when Metroid threads were once the best on /v/. Other M changed all that. It was a game so bad that it fundamentally broke the entire fanbase.