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Moffat stole his idea from Heaven Sent

>>82982056
Haha you sure showed him!

This was the worst episode of Doctor Who I've ever seen. Won't be watching next week.

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I'LL BITE YOUR FUCKING CUNT OFF

>>82982129
You will though.

Monks are the Mondasian Cybermen

Missy has since regenerated, and a new Master is in the vault

>>82982140

>tfw no episode where Bill becomes a Lamia

There's one thing I didn't get though. Why did they kill themselves after reading, they couldn't accept not being real?

Anyone have any cute pics of Clara? I kind of miss her desu

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>>82982201
They wanted to wake up in the real world.

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What did /who/ think of Extremis?
7.68518518519/10
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>>82982175
No, it was abysmally bad.

The overnights for this will be fucking awful as well. 2.8 million probably.

That whole thing with the crazy CERN people and the champagne reminded me of the TV movie New Year's party

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>>82982218

>>82982283
Same.

>>82982056
Is moffat some kind of nickname for muhammed? and what that has to do with someone named sarah?

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smallfat is dead
I'm now longlegs

>>82982264
>its still trending on twitter
nah, easy 5.8 i reckon

>>82982056
Threadly reminder that Bill is a lesbian.

So, we've got Veritas, we've got Demon Doubt and we've got the Doctor engaging in philosophical discussion about the nature of virtue.

My guess is Bill dies in "World Enough And Time" (either that or its an episode about Bill trying to get Penny into bed with poetry) and The Doctor Falls by 'losing his faith' and going revenge mode. He is only stopped by Missy who dies and regenerates into a thoroughly evil Simm.

>>82982343
>5.8
hahahahahaha

>>82982129
Do you mind expanding on what you didn't like about it? too convoluted? bad direction? I really enjoyed it, but I'll admit it was messily put together. However, I'm surprised there's someone here who thinks it's the absolute worst episode.

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Post your face when you realise this means River is 99% returning in the finale

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DOCTAH CHANNNNNGGGG

>Duplicate Earth
>Monks speak without moving their mouths, leaving them open
>Assessing it for an invasion

It's almost as if the real twist is that they're inhabitants of Earth's twin planet isn't it?

You should just shut the fuck up. People LOVE when something bogs their mind, when they have to think about it. Makes them feel clever and appreciate the episode even more.

Anyone else feeling that Bill is becoming as one-dimensional as Clara?
I really really liked her in first three episodes, but she doesn't seem to develop.
I absolutely adored her in Pilot, but now she's just kind of annoys me.

>>82982380
It's almost like it's the ASSAULT OF THE BENEFACTORS

>>82982360
The people who Doctor Who is primarily aimed at, the 'casual' viewer, does not care for convoluted, complex, bollocks. They just want a fun story.

>>82982426
>one-dimensional as Clara
but bill doesn't have pancakes 2D tits. She got nice round brown titties with dark puffy nipples

>>82982426
Other way around for me. I hated her to start with, but I think she's been roughly all right over the past few episodes. I like the subtle (or not-so-subtle) foreshadowing that she's going to leave, with the way she values her personal space and time and doesn't like the Doctor crashing in, and the way she doesn't have the mettle that previous companions had and freaks out too much.

>>82982491

>Bill
>Not an ironing board

>>82982464
Personally I didn't think it was convoluted though. It was pretty straightforward, until right at the end when it was all "oh em gee its a virtual reality!!!!"

This episode was literally a prequel as a full-length story. Awful. Waste of time.

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GOAT POSTER

So why is the Doctor an atheist if he knows there are gods and met literal Satan a few series ago?

>>82982593
what happened to these posters? they're so shit now

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>you will never be retarded enough to completely miss the point of the episode and hate it

Feels grand, father

>>82982593
>EXTESRMI
wat

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Where is that "he could see with his glasses" anon? and the other "no, that's fucking stupid" anon?

>>82982655
Lord up in of this time bitch

>>82982620
I mean, he met the Egyptian ones, and they were aliens. And he met Odin... who was an alien. He's probably met countless others that turned out to be some teenage alien fucking with less adapted species.

>>82982317
Not dead, not changing anything. I'm always smallfat. Somebody else will take over as smallchin or Chinsmalls or whatever that anon called himself.

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>>82982491
>but bill doesn't have pancakes 2D tits. She got nice round brown titties with dark puffy nipples

You actually made me drool a little bit.

Petition to replace Bill with QT virtual Bill.

>>82982378
Kek, Missy is based

Why do the monks look so fucked-up?

>>82982781
kill yourself

Post your face when Simm is brought by a black hole for one cameo scene which isn't even related to thep plot

>>82982851
>He actually replied to the post

Pathetic

I'm tired of Missy to be honest.

>>82982851
They're the Mondas cybermen as a computer simulation. So obvious.

In fact, screenshot this.

>>82982353
>Missy degenerates into Simm
>the Doctor degenerates into Tennant

As usual, live/post-live threads are shit and everyone hates the episode.

I thoroughly enjoyed, thought it was the best of the series so far. It does suffer a little bit from Harry Potter syndrome, but it was still incredible. Moffat's most mature and well-developed episode to date, bar Heaven Sent. Maybe.

>>82982870
this is probably going to happen

>>82982912
Yeah but why look so fucked-up? Why not just look like cybermen? Or if not cybermen, why not just their normal form sans-charred bodies?

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>next week is another ISIS episode

>>82982676
It could have gone on a bit longer, but I thought that the other "priests" or whatever they were running away made the same point. They've probably executed a Dalek at some point, so running away is a big sign.

>>82982961
They look severely frostbitten, almost as if they've come from a really cold planet

>>82982870
>Implying Simm would agree to come back for that

>>82982912
That's why theY have the same appearance in the next two episodes which arent simulations anon XD

>it's another retarded confession/tell the truth/suppress the truth arc

Seriously all Moffat has done since he took over. Jesus Christ get some originality

>>82982851
>Why do the monks look so fucked-up?
Did yer mammy never tell you not to be a bully? It's what's on the inside that counts.

Why did they referenced GTA? Sims is more similar and just as famous.

Although all things considered, CERN employees were acting like they are in Dwarf Fortress.

>>82982961
No water since Mondas split from Earth, they're invading Earth to get the water back.

>>82983105
Why not just ask to share instead of being evil? Not really convincing writing

>>82983154
Maybe there are more of them than they are of us? Mondas seemed very Earth-like, we might not have enough water for 14 billion people.

Is there a mega link I can dive through 4 previous threads searching for yet?

>>82982926
I was never sure if we were supposed to notice Anthony Ainley looked at all different from Roger Delgado?

BBC Store closing, maybe no more classic Who animations

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/20/bbc-close-tv-download-store-18-months-streaming-dominates/

>>82983186
We still could share with them like we share with syrian refugees, I thought doctor who was a tolerant show? But i guess not

>>82983154
It will be something dumb like the cybermen are only 'evil' because the humans (the real evil) refused to share their resources, so the Mondasians had to turn themselves into cyborgs, thus becoming 'evil'

I do think these Monks are the Cybermen, or at least the Mondasians. There are a few clever hints in the episode, the gaping mouth whilst speaking being one of them.

Also, "we call them the monks, but that's not what they're really called" ~ Moffat

>>82983273
>D-Doctor Who is totally profitable guys!!!!
>can't even sell enough to keep a digital store open in the digital age

>>82983273
Fuck. Will they stop selling classic DVDs?

>>82983273
Wasn't it called BBC Shop and it already closed? Is this some Mandela/Veritas shit?

Anyone else feel like the Chibnall era may be the last before Doctor Who is cancelled again?

>>82983273
They're planning on doing a Netflix style streaming service at some point as nobody pays for individual TV shows anymore So there's still some hope.

>>82983428
It will be the best one so I'm ok

>>82983428
Chibnall's era is rumoured to air on Sundays instead of Saturdays, so it's impossible to say at this point

Blind people get 50% off their TV licence.

>>82983416
BBC Shop sold DVDs, BBC Store was digital downloads.

>>82983446
I resent paying for Dr Who DVDs.
If you look at the iPlayer there is loads of older stuff on there. Just not things people want to see, thats a "full price" DVD in a world where hardly anything sells at full price except for blockbuster films and only then for about a month before they get discounted.

I buy them 2nd hand on grumpy principle.

>>82983428
I genuinely do. I think we'll get two series' of Chibnall Who, and then they'll announce a "temporary" hiatus for the show, but it will last for years and years.

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>>82983514
>tfw i bring it back
give us your suggestions now, lads

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DOWNLOADS FOR THIS

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>>82983514
>Implying there will never be another Wilderness Years

The show may get cause to be put on hold for some time along the line but quite frankly I'd be surprised if we ever see a hiatus last more than five years maximum.

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Who would in a fight between Veritas and The Funniest Joke in the World?

>>82983666
*ever

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>>82983666
>digits
>pic
Satanic Pie Lord has spoken I guess

>>82983514
>I genuinely do. I think we'll get two series' of Chibnall Who, and then they'll announce a "temporary" hiatus for the show, but it will last for years and years.
I think it won't be too far away, but not that soon. BBC Worldwide considers Doctor Who to be an "asset" (because of merch et cetera) But in the 80s, the show was absolutely not an asset at all.

Does anyone know where I can watch the episode yet?

I can't seem to find a mega link.

>>82983770
television

There's talk that the 13th Doctor reveal is going to happen within the next 4 weeks. Definitely male

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>>82983803
Never paid for my license.

>>82983867
Source

It's fun coming back and looking over the live threads after they're done.

About one in three posts is: "The mystery is obvious, it's going to be X, even a five year old could figure it out because Moffat's such a hack", and then 10 minutes later it's not X, but the shitposters have moved onto "The mystery is Y, why even pretend it's a mystery, Moffat's such a hack", and then 10 minutes later it's not that, and so on.

>>82983888
Chibnall was at Roath Lock studios this week, so something's happening

its going to be Tom Rosenthal or Kris Marshall

>>82982056
>a book that proves to people they're in a simulation is the same thing as an alien race that kills liars

And in other news, Doctors stole its premise from Doctor Who.

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>>82983974
would be amazing if they actually snuck the 13th doctor in that way

>>82983974
spoilers: tom rosenthal

No one is going to talk about the planet where they know how to kill every species in the universe? Like, have they had a Dalek there? A Cyberman? A horny mongolian?

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>>82983975

Moffat: Well, it’s definitely Missy in [the vault], we’re not fooling you about that. The story now is what’s going on between them. That dangerous friendship, burning away – who else will be lost to the flames? “Show me how to be good,” she asks him. Will the number one liberal do-gooder of the universe be able to resist?

And we gave it away early because I know Doctor Who fans – they’ll have had it figured out by the end of episode four!

Mulkern: I’m hungry for some more Missy now – and that's not her done with until the finale...

Moffat: Plenty more Missy to come. Hopefully, when you least expect her. But she’s back in play so trust nothing and no one.

>>82982620
Because none of the gods he's met are actually gods. They're often powerful aliens, but they're not even on the same level as the Eternals, and Eternals can be killed by fucking Turlough.

If someone said to you, "I'm not an atheist, I believe God exists—he didn't create the universe, he's not omniscient or omnipotent or omnibenevolent, he's not even remotely the most powerful being in this part of the universe, he can't hear me when I pray, and he can't do anything for me, but he's still God", you'd say, "No, you're an atheist, and also an idiot".

That was great. Basically "Moffat wants to do the simulation story and tack it onto the plot arc somehow" but he went all in. Any excuse to literally kill all of the main cast at the end of an episode is good by me

>And we gave it away early because I know Doctor Who fans – they’ll have had it figured out by the end of episode four!

Moffat is learning.

Didn't somebody say that this episode would reveal Missy's "very clever idea" from TWF.

What the fuck was it?

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>>82984237
Playing golf with the daleks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Yt31Xes50

>>82984237
I'm pretty sure they only ever said it would hint at it somehow. Which it did (she'd been fraternising with the Daleks).

>>82984034
It's pretty easy to kill an individual prisoner from most races.

Seriously, what's the trick to killing a Cyberman? Most of them aren't even particularly well armoured, and the ones who are, you just stick a bunch of gold in their chest 8-track and they're dead.

The real question is, what happens if somebody sentences Jack? Do they just kill him once and then let him go? Or do they spend the rest of eternity killing him over and over again while the death row queue builds up behind him?

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>>82984328
Wasted opportunity of having Spooky Electric Simm as Death

>>82984112
>Will the number one liberal do-gooder of the universe

This is one of the major reasons why I fucking hate Moffat.

At least the Time War was something huge in nuwho that showed the Doctor wasn't a saint or 100% good, but Moffat had to go ahead and change that, and turn him and Clara into mary sues

Mega link WHEN

>>82984545
>showed the Doctor wasn't a saint or 100% good, but Moffat had to go ahead and change that, and turn him and Clara into mary sues
stop talking you moron
how many fucking times has Moffat gone out of his way to stress the Doctor's moral fallibility (and even Clara's! remember the volcano?) How many fucking times have we had his 'darkest moment' or what the fuck ever, literally in the episode that JUST AIRED he yet again refused to kill the Master who will slaughter countless more innocents - purely for his own selfish desires. How deaf and blind must you be to think that Moffat is even kind-of-sort-of writing a Doctor who is "100% good", how many times must Moffat spam his most obvious theme in every single show he writes now which is "this character is not truly good, but aspires to be, and that's what's important". How many times in Capaldi's era alone has he acted like a straight-up cunt just to foreground for the viewers as much as physically possible that he is not a saint?

But no. A tongue in cheek quote from Moffat is apparently all you need to construct a rock solid case. Bellend.

>>82984618
https://mega.nz/#!ZAsHADyZ!YLF3WdBJb7uafX4zs9plUTwTRY8tDE8RvN6cXxZ-C18

In future, hit up combomchat.chatango.com about an hour after it finishes airing. PCJ posts the links there these days

>>82984782
Alternative link if MEGA's down: https://transfer.sh/aXzwv/doctor_who_2005.10x06.720p_hdtv_x264-fov.mkv

>>82984322
That's the thing though. A single Dalek is proven to be a threat. How about a member of the Silence? The cockroach-fairies from Knock-knock? The Boneless that supposedly came from an alternate reality?
If the Doctor hadn't burnt that bridge by saving Missy, it would have been a nice info bank to go to, just to check how to beat some new enemies.

>>82984618
reddit.com/r/megalinks/
;^)

guys what should I get from chinese takeout?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13008502

So, why did they make Benedict IX, specifically, a woman?

I understand why you'd make one of the famously gay Popes a woman as a joke, but he's just about the most unlikely. For example, Sixtus IV was a small and very private man, who was suspected of having two or three secret male lovers over 13 years. Benedict XII openly held massive gay orgies in the Lateran main hall, and when he was deposed the second time, he supposedly left Rome because "there were no longer any catamites in Rome who did not know the taste of his cock". Which one of those is believably female? How good was strapon technology in the 11th century?

>>82984996
i wish they did general tso in the uk

>>82984837
Sure, a single Dalek is a threat when it's roaming around free. But not when it's a prisoner, as it would obviously have to be in order to have a trial and be sentenced to death rather than kill everyone within 50 miles of the courtroom.

Think of it this way: would knowing the details of Texas's secret lethal injection cocktail be of any use in warfare against humans?

>>82984322
What about a Weeping Angel?

>>82985032
It's more the Pope Joan thing. Why Benedict IX specifically? It made it around 1000 years, sounds good.

>>82984996
my usual order from my favorite chinese food place is

>beef w/ broccoli
>one order of chicken fried rice
>one order of chicken chow mein (for later)

Why did Nardole demand Bill walk behind him?

What was Moffat thinking?

I thought this was 2017.

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The Doctor: It's the end, but the moment has been prepared for.

Bill: So he was The Doctor all the time!

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this dyke faggotry needs to end.

>Missy recommended eight snipers, with three trained on each of her hearts and two for her brain stem, so that Clara Oswald could feel safe while speaking to her, noting that they'd have to "switch [her] off fast" before she could regenerate. (TV: The Magician's Apprentice)

Moffat made Missy refer to her brain stem in the singular and then established that the Time Lord has three brain stems

As Edge would say, wew.

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>You now realize that the word "arse", previously restricted to the likes of Torchwood, has been uttered four times in the same of two years, two of which were just in the last episode

Moffat can't keep getting away with it!

>>82985084
You got me there. But still, what if someone sentenced the Vashta Nerada to death, do they have the skills to capture and execute it?
Although I think we've already been shown they are incompetent in executing, by having The Doctor as an executioner without a background check

>>82985336
Cheeky Missy giving them two snipers too few.

Ever wondered how a Cyberman looks under all the cybernetic armor they're wearing? If you strip them down to their organic appearance? Maybe the Monks are just Cybermen without their armor, they look like decomposed humans: After all the Cybermen move very Zombie like, like a collective consciousness that controls otherwise mindless and dead bodies, used as an organic battery to power the suits which give them their actual strength and superiority.

We did see decomposed humans as a base for cybernatic technology before: It was in series 8. Maybe the Monks who look beyond simply being decomposed - who are already mummified are the older version of the Cybermen, the Mondasian Cybermen. The older technology of the suits is not allowing the organic parts to remain intact which is why they are looking like Mummies.
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My little milk monkey was horrified by the implied gunshot suicide on tonight's ep, needless to say there will be complaints.

>>82982343
>he thinks people still watch live TV

Dude......

piracy is a crime by the way, I curse all anons that do this

>>82985067
I've had General Tso's chicken in London. I can't remember the name of the place, but it was in Soho, and it was run by a Chinese-American from Palo Alto, and they advertised "San Francisco Chinatown style food". (It was more suburban south bay style than Chinatown style, but I can understand why he'd advertise it that way.)

Of course this was 6 years ago, so I have no idea if it's still there.

Also, while some of the food was pretty good, the General Tso's wasn't that great. Neither sweet enough nor spicy enough, just basically breaded fried chicken with soy sauce.

>>82984782
Something is wrong with this link, the download keeps freezing over and over. Even when I use megasync.
>>82984815
This won't let me download any faster than 200 kb/s

>>82985336
That's what it was, I vaguely recalled that line in this episode but I assumed it was one for each heart and three for her stems. We Berenstein bears timeline now.

>>82985336
Exactly. Missy was tricking them

>>82985423
Torrent?
https://rarbg.to/torrent/yq1hpjf

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>Reminder that Bill's mum was on a date with ''Howard'' who Bill thought was named Harry

>>82985355
It's not normally the executioner's job to catch the criminal.

As for executing a Vashta Nerada, I'm pretty sure that would be dead simple. I'm not sure who'd convict and sentence a single microscopic organism, but if you did, it's probably no harder to kill than an individual bacterium. The problem with them—as with bacteria—is that killing one of them doesn't affect the other billion still hiding in the shadows.

>>82982781
fuck you

>>82985551
Would be great if Missy uses her chance outside of the vault to do like the Doctor has done before, and use herself (or himself lel) to save herself.

>>82985482
..Really? Her brain stems staying intact would make up for the destruction of her hearts?

>>82985600
Presumably Gallifreyan blood has a higher oxygen carrying capacity

>>82985423
You really mean kb as in kilobits? Because if it's 200 kilobytes/sec, it's probably worth starting that download while you continue looking. If it takes half an hour before you find a faster download, the slow one'll be done.

>>82983273
Maybe if shit wasn't riddled with DRM, had an app that wasn't shit and wasn't priced at twice the price of the DVDs it would have done well.

>>82985600
Probably not but maybe a regeneration can still be triggered with 2 brain stems

>>82985552
Well, in the galactic premise what is considered the normal job for an executioner.
And if that is the case, who ordered the execution for Missy? As far as I know she's only been causing trouble on Earth, and I doubt UNIT has connections to the executoner planet.

>>82985754
I assumed it was the Daleks, and her "clever idea" was some appeal to a fair "trail"/execution, rather than instant death.

>>82984754
His "darkest" moments are always bullshit Moffat says to to hype up something that he never delivers.

Look at how he hyped up Kill the Moon

>>82983472
Good point. Sunday nights get better viewing figures than Saturdays.

>>82985855
Kill the Moon was great though, it's just autists here who get upset about the egg thing because they can't suspend their disbelief while watching a show about a space wizard.

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>>82982218

>>82985853
Kinda hard to believe the Daleks would go for that but whatever, i'll suspend my disbelief

>>82982540

>>82982540

It's convoluted because the complications don't make sense. The elements of the plot don't segue together to make a narrative. It's like taking Miniature Heroes tubs and glueing them to the side of a box and calling it a car.

I mean, maybe it'll play out and prove satisfying, but unless the simulation itself proves to be an integral aspect of the monks (a possibility) it's just a filler episode that's a total waste of time. If, for whatever reason, the Doctor being warned about the monks is important to the plot, then it could've been achieved in a three-minute cold-open through literally any other means.

>>82985754
I'd assume the normal job for an executioner is to accept a prisoner in custody and execute them. I mean, it's not impossible that they're actually bounty hunters or Dredd-style judges or something, but they're called executioners, and the visuals pretty clearly suggest a traditional executioner role, so the obvious assumption is that they're executioners.

As for Missy, last time we saw her, she was running around with the Daleks and had a clever plan. So, presumably, whoever she manipulated the Daleks into fighting, unless it was the Daleks themselves.

And it's not that implausible that it could be the Daleks themselves. The last time they sentenced the Master to death and tried to execute him on their own, they fucked up and he survived as a jizz snake. So this time, they pay a professional to do it.

>>82985754
In terms of beings that have caused trouble, broken laws and would be wanted dead, she's probably only behind The Doctor in the entire universe. Take your fucking pick.

>>82985905

They can suspend their belief that a space wizard is real. Stop trying to defend a retarded twist lol.

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>>82985956
Gordon Tipple says hi.

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>>82985551
Big Simm Cocks

How can the Doctor even compete?

I can't wait until Moffat finally leaves and great and fun episodes are going to be every week so we won't need to pretend we like episodes we are getting now.

>>82984024
>spoilers: tom rosenthal

Wouldn't surprise me, he's basically Kris Marshall before Death in Paradise, career wise.

Plus he's already worked with Chibs.

Rewatching the episode, on the priest guy's email, below the CERN message, there's a bunch of messages to random people saying things like "sorry" and "farewell".

But there's also a meeting request for Thursday with Bill Pullman.

What's that about?

>>82983677
I came here to say this too.
I'm watching and I'm like 'this is the Funniest Joke sketch'.

>>82985336
>As Edge would say, wew

do I say wew a lot and just not realise it

Also I havent seen the episode yet, is the Doctor still blind

>>82985960
>but unless the simulation itself proves to be an integral aspect of the monks (a possibility) it's just a filler episode
My understanding is, the Monks have done the perfect simulation, and have taken over the earth in that simulation. If the virtual doctor hadn't warned the real one of the oncoming threat, he would have just reacted as usual and the monks would have won. According to the 'next time' trailer, the monks have chosen a specific time and place, the most efficient way to take over earth.

>scene after the Pope asks the Doctor to read Veritas
>two black women dash into the flat
>police sirens pass by as they do
...dasraciss

>>82982129
There are far worse episodes but it was certainly dull and mostly pointless. Would have made a good minisode if you cut the meandering bits.

>>82982348
I wish they'd made it easier to deny. I was able to shut it out for the first 3 episodes nice and easily
get that shit off my tv. at least not main characters. especially gross ones dating women twice her age.

Why does everyone keep talking about CERN, is this Steins;Gate?

>>82986096
They probably just took a photo of Moffat's emails.

>>82986020
>>82985962
>>82986017
I have been buttblasted and grant you victory.
I still find the premise of an executioner planet cool though, hope it gets revisited sometime in the future.

>>82986096
Checking his availability for the hotly anticipated continuation of Miracle Day.

SURPRISE GAMES REDO

Sorry about the last one

>>82986120
>is the Doctor still blind
ye

>>82985032
I find it an interesting concept my self.

Maybe he was just chose at random, maybe there's something in his history that made Moffat think he could plausibly be a woman. I had a quick look and there's nothing too out of the ordinary.

Why would you make one of the gay popes secretly a woman? That's a bit counter intuitive. One big identity secret is enough for one pope, thanks.

>>82986120
Nope, they just ditched that plot point.

>>82985551
>It's Jim Moriarty all over again

Moffat likes recycling ideas between Sherlock and DW

Nardole and Bill are really cute together.

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>>82986199
Rare Colour Quark

>>82986200
>>82986226

>Peter Capaldi showed up drunk for every episode and they had to write around it

POST TRIBUTES. CMON

>>82985956
They've done it before. Even got the Doctor to witness it. It wasn't explained last time either

I CANT WAIT MOFFAT TO LEAVE
REALLY
EPISODES ARE NOT THAT BAD AND MAYBE EVEN GOOD, BUT IM JUST TIRED OF HIS STYLE, I CANT HANDLE IT ANYMORE
I WANT MY CHRIS

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>>82986096
>CERN European Organization for Nuclear Research: VERITAS
>Stefan Anchorage: Farewell our ????? ????
>Michael Finch: Missed meeting
>Nicia Russo: We have been tricked
>Peter Dukes: The devil's work has been done
>Bill Pullman: Thursdays meeting
>Albertina Ricci: Priez pour nous ????
>Kevein Paters: Chapel Day
>Christina Tom: Farewell
>Franco Esposito: Le monde es pas ?? que nois ???????
>Phil Bond: Pray for us all tonight
>Daryl Mcloughlan: Pray for your family
>Abramo Tognaccini: Nous avons tous ben dupe ??? la ?????

Any other names here look interesting? I assume it's inside jokes by the design team, but still, why Bill Pullman?

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>>82986199
Cyber Dickhead

The Truth Monks are really the Mondas Cybermen huh

>>82986187
Seriously? Do you see an email to a female coworker saying "I'll be in a hurry, don't wear pants" followed by one saying "Shit, Sue found my email again" followed by "YOU HAVE BEEN ERASED"?

>still no torrent for the new episode

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>>82986298
Gillian Who

Extremis is the ultimate pleb filter

No? Okay then. No games for now. Maybe when the three-parter is over

>>82986388
https://rarbg.to/torrent/mtdrugx
https://rarbg.to/torrent/yq1hpjf
????

REALLY, I CANT HANDLE MOFFAT WRITING ANYMORE
IT JUST DOESNT CLICK WITH ME ANYMORE
I WANT A REBOOT

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>>82986298
Cybermen with faulty guidance systems

>>82986199
You killing yourself.

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>>82986326
>why Bill Pullman?

Don't you remember, he played the nonce in Torchwood: Miracle Day.

>>82982426
Bill has only ever been one-dimensional, that's why we like her. She's companion background noise that doesn't get in the way.

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>>82986199
Nardole-Simm Hybrid

>>82986440
Yes, but what's the joke in the priest who sends Veritas to CERN scheduling a meeting with Torchwood actor Bill Pullman on Thursday?

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>>82986199
First Irish Doctor

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>>82985855
Kill the Moon was great until pic related reveal.

And even then it was ok-ish until the space dragon impossibly laid an egg bigger than itself.

Nice bit of character development at the end, the only reason I recommend people to watch it as a sort of prequel to the next far superior episode.

>>82986398
AHAHAH HE CANCELLED THE GAMES

>>82986396
yep

people rating it anything outside of average range i.e. 'extremes' are top pleb

>>82986398
Top lel don't do it again it's just shitposting and fishing for (You)s.

>>82982426
This is the first episode of the series that I actually liked Bill

>>82986594
Because she looks more attractive than usual
Kill your self

I thought Missy not mentioning Clara was odd even not being a fan of the latter

>>82982781
God damn it.

I cross the void beyond the mind
The empty space that circles time.
I see where others stumble blind
To seek a truth they never find.
Eternal wisdom is my guide.
I am the Doctor.

>>82986202
Well, being gay is hardly an identity secret for Benedict IX; it's basically all that we know about him (and if it was propaganda by his enemies, then we basically know nothing about him at all), other than his connections to the families that were fighting over the Papacy.

But yeah, choosing a gay Pope—in fact, the first one widely acknowledged to be gay—is pretty strange. It would be like revealing that Izzy was secretly male, so she isn't the first definitely lesbian companion in Doctor Who.

>>82986120
It's complicated.

>>82984996
crispy shredded chilli beef

>>82986202
Well it makes "her" love for cock make more sense. It's just the Pope Joan meme.

>>82986532
Nah, it was shit.

The other spacemen were barely characters. They died then that chick told us why it's sad and why we should care. Don't fucking tell us to care. And it was just plain silly. Unicellular spiders? I think Moffat just thinks certain words or concepts sound nice or complicated and uses them with no understanding of them

>>82986709
WHICH IS IT NIGGAS ;_;

>>82986649
Clara, like all the Doctor's human companions, are merely 'puppies' to Missy aka Master.

>>82986326
From a quick search, one of the few people on the internet named Steve Anchorage is an estate agent in London. And there's an estate agent in London named Bill Pullman. So maybe it really is Moffat's email list. Is he hoping to work in London instead of Cardiff now that he's done with Who?

>>82986794
Very complicated

>>82986859
That's disgustingly arousing.

>>82986638
she'snot attractive, you could plough a field with those teeth. She was just less in your face/gotta prove a point of how lol so random i am this episode and it make her more likeable. Was good to see Nardole giving her a verbal smackdown as well. She needed it.

So is this episode Moffat's version of Big Finish's Natural History of Fear and Question Marks?

>>82984754

The Doctor's flaws never cost him anything. This is the point. The Doctor's flaws under Moffat are what, exactly? He's too awesome and scary and amazing for his own good? And yet, in the Eleventh Hour, he can stop an alien invasion by going "I'm the Doctor...so, basically. Run." In Silence in the Library, he can halt an unstoppable horde of ravenous bacteria by saying "You're in a library. I'm the Doctor. Look me up." He does the exact same shit in Extremis. "Look me up in your Fatality Index."

And I know what you're thinking. The Pandorica Alliance! Demon's Run! But, oh, wait. He lulzes his way out of a time paradox and then the assassin created specifically to kill him falls in love with his epicly awesome amazingness, and oh, his best friends forgive him for having their child stolen because it turns out their child was their bestie all along! And it's not a problem that they never got to see their first steps or first words because...well, he's a mad man in a box, isn't he! Mad old buffer! Silly old Doctor!

The Doctor no longer fucks up, fails, or learns anything any more. Become too big and scary for your own good? Lol, deleted myself from history - I'll literally pretend-erase my problem as a way of fixing it. When the Doctor fucked up under Davies, it stuck, hard. It cost him a regeneration. It cost him companions. It cost lives. It cost him guilt and pain. Now? Nothing.

>>82986823
I'd buy that if it wasn't one of Missy's own plans to set up that particular companion with the Doctor

Just didn't ring true to me that she'd have nothing to say about it

so this episode was gnosticism/simulation theory but for babbies? i thought it was ok, but it feels like the whole concept was wasted on a mediocre episode.

>BILL: Harry Potter
>DOCTOR: Language
Even The Doctor knows Harry Potter is fucking shit

>>82987045
Yeah, Clara losing the love of her life, or River dying, that's just cheap crap. It's not at all as tragic as when Rose had to live the rest of her life with a duplicate 10 instead of the real one, or when Martha had to become a freelance superhero with Mickey, or when Donna got to marry the man of her dreams and got a million-pound lottery ticket, or when 10 regenerated back into 10 and didn't seem to even remember having done so a few days later. Those are some real, lasting, terrible consequences for the Doctor's actions under RTD.

>>82987366

>Yeah, Clara losing the love of her life, or River dying, that's just cheap crap

Neither of those were the Doctor's fault. Way to fail reading comprehension and television viewing in one fell swoop, you fuckfaced retard.

>>82982781
gah!

>>82987366

How does Rose getting meta-Doctor somehow make it any less of a tragedy for actual Doctor? Are you a total fucking imbecile? Donna lost all her memories of the Doctor and their travels, and all that growth along with it - memories more precious than money and material goods. And Martha Jones joined UNIT and then went freelance...these are problems how, exactly?

>>82987045
Well, hopefully he learns that he can't have an old face with acting capability when he leads Bill to her death

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Well who would have thought
Nardole was the Monk after all

>>82987075
Maybe that plot point is addressed in a future episode.

>>82987499
THE MEDDLING

Anyone have the Next Time clip? The episode got cut off before it was shown.

Also did Moffhack just rip of Star Trek: Voyager? The episode with the living liquid who turned into the crew of Voyager and the entire episode we thought they were real but it turns out they were fake and then they all died?

>>82987550
No he probably ripped off Big Finish. It's very similar to these stories where none of the characters are the real version:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Question_Marks_(audio_story)
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Natural_History_of_Fear_(audio_story)

>>82987550
just use youtube

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>>82987484

Lol'd. But also, calling it now. Bill gets converted in the finale. Doctor finds Wet Waifu and gets her to rescue Bill - Bill is reconstituted as magic spaceship oil and has intergalactic adventures with Heather.

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Anyone else thought this was Ram for a sec?

>>82987650
There wasn't a single reference to Jenny, Strax or Vastra in this episode though

>>82987651
I thought that but then I think that the other girl is going to cuck wet waifu

>>82987650
There was no Paternoster Gang reference, so this can go straight into the trash.

Why is the show's position on homo/bisexuality regressing from "zero fucks given" to "it's a huge deal and a person's defining character trait"

>>82987650

Was there a Paternoster reference? I missed it if there was.

>>82987655
Me too. Didn't they say Fady was gonna cameo in this series at some point.

>>82987483
>How does Rose getting meta-Doctor somehow make it any less of a tragedy for actual Doctor?
Because Rose gets to live happily ever after, which he knew she could never do with him. It completely undid the tragedy of their first parting.

>And Martha Jones joined UNIT and then went freelance...these are problems how, exactly?
Exactly: how is that a problem? It's not. She lived happily ever after. Like all of 10's companions. Rose got meta-10, Mickey got to become a superhero and got Martha, Martha ditto, Jackie got a better version of her lost husband, Jack became immortal, Jenny got to fly off and explore the universe, Donna got to get married and be rich like she always wanted, Wilf got to see space and then got to watch over his happy granddaughter…

You said "When the Doctor fucked up under Davies, it stuck, hard. It cost him a regeneration. It cost him companions. It cost lives." And yet, it didn't cost him companions. His companions all lived happily ever after. Maybe some of them shouldn't have been happy with what they got, but they all clearly were.

>>82987427
Sure, the Doctor had nothing to do with River's death. He totally won that episode with no consequences at all.

This episode had terrific idea, but sadly it was poorly executed.
Ending could be much more dramatic, it could be Heaven Sent 2.0, but everything was revealed way too early, and 10 minutes from the ending we already knew "so they wont die anyway so who cares".
Also directing in the cell with the Veritas was shit.
I FEEL like it could be much better episode, but we ended up with what we have now.
By the way, Missy's parts should have been cut. Anyone agrees?

>>82987718
The difference between a gay man writing the show and a straight man writing it. One of them realises what's the best way to do it.

Guess which one.

>>82987751
>This episode had terrific idea, but sadly it was poorly executed.
Why the fuck everyone says this about every fucking episode?

>>82987754
RTD, obviously.

Not even kidding.

>>82987794
Yup.

>>82987788
I didn't say it about 1-5.

>>82987788
Because they try all their "lol this stupid" during the live thread and people point out "no, you idiot, you're complaining about something that didn't actually happen", and they're left with nothing to complain about at the end, so they have to come up with something that's so vague it can't be challenged.

>the missing translator just was inside the library all them days
didn't anyone thought of looking there?

>>82987718
But how will we know that Bill's a lesbian unless someone brings it up every episode or she's shown on a date?

>>82987718
>>82987754
>>82987794
>>82987807
>implying it has anything to do with this
The BBC want to force progressivism, see also: the 50% black regency era London.

>>82987863
Stop projecting please
I'm not one of them, I'm just trying to discuss doctor who, and you just reeeing all over my posts

Why would people kill themselves after learning they were in the matrix?

>>82987909
>and you just reeeing all over my posts
and who the fuck are you?

>>82987898
Yes, good old Steven ''it's fine if we rewrite history to make a small portion of people happy with progressivism'' Moffat.

>>82987911
To test if they are real. Have you ever killed yourself in a dream?

>>82987911
Yeah, why not hack that shit.

Make it so every woman can fuck like a pornstar and can only be satisfied by your cock, just like my hentai doujins.

>>82987911
How would you react?
I would be shocked at first but then carry on after all if it feels real it is real

>>82987743

Yeah, again. You can't fucking read. Nowhere in that post does it say that it cost the companions their lives. It said it cost THE DOCTOR the COMPANIONS. As in, his companions left him, voluntarily or involuntarily, because of his lifestyle. He lost people. He was left sad. Alone. Bereaved. He had to make sacrifices. Sacrifices that weren't undone.

>>82987743

Yes, that's correct. River's death had nothing to do with his actions. And oh wait! There weren't any consequences! Because now everybody that died is a video game NPC living in a pretend house, and you can tell it's a happy ending because of the music and the smiles! Because just this once, and all the other times, everybody lives! Everybody always lives!

You really are beyond fucking stupid.

>>82987959
No, I enjoy manipulating shit when I figure out I'm dreaming.

>>82987975
Yeah I'd probably just carry on, just take more risks and that.

>>82987957
I don't even see how they would be happy to have their own history erased. Human Nature and Family of Blood did it so much better by just acknowledging racism was a thing.

>>82987975
A priest would probably react a lot differently to finding out that he's just data and presumably doesn't have a soul, and neither do any of the people whose souls he's dedicated his life to saving.

(I'm not sure why particle physicists, though. I've worked with some of those people, and they love discussing stuff like "What if this universe is just a computer simulation".)

>>82988040
I know. It really is baffling. But to be honest, Sarah Dollard is Australian and Steven Moffat Scottish. They weren't even rewriting their own history.

An Australian and a Scotsman rewriting English history...

>>82988040
>I don't even see how they would be happy to have their own history erased
These are the same people who think Africa would have been better had Europeans never brought them prophylaxis to stop them dying of treatable diseases. They fundementally hate themselves, their identity, and their history.

In no small part because of shows like this teaching them The British emoire was synonymous with slavery, despite in reality them being the people who stopped it.

>>82988025
>No, I enjoy manipulating shit when I figure out I'm dreaming.
Mein fucking nigger.

>>82987693
>>82987717
>>82987720
yeah lmao

>>82988091
Scots and Australians are the same as the English, genetically. There's a very minor variance in the sparsely popullated highlands but the Scottish lowlands were completely colonised by Northumbrians and vice versa. Australians are obviously descended from Britons and Irish.

>>82988091

The thing is, they're re-writing England's history to be a Utopian paradise it never was. Why? You'd think at least Australia would be invested in shitting all over their colonial masters, and Scotland's always had a hard-on for England. Are they just Uncle Tom colonists? But yeah, you can have diversity in the past, just have diversity that makes sense, and acknowledges the ugly reality of imperialism. Sure, it might not be empowering for the asian and black kiddies watching, but it was their history, and their history was bleak and dark and all kinds of fucked up, and they should be able to learn about it through Doctor Who.

Like, you could have a billion fucking saracens in Robin Hood. Why cast a black guy as Friar Tuck? How? Fucking how?

>>82988002
Can you really not see the contradiction here?

Paragraph 1, you're saying that RTD's tragedies are real because, even though the companions all get happy endings, it's sad for the Doctor that he can't see them again. Although of course he could see almost all of them again any time he wants, he just chooses not to. And then, at the end, he does actually see all of them again.

Paragraph 2, you're saying that Moffat's tragedies aren't real because in one of them, the companion gets a sort of happy ending.

>>82987726
He was listed as being in 'Doctor Who' on his CV. Naturally, people thought he would be in Series 10, but the CV was later edited so it now says 'Doctor Who spin-off: Class' or something like that

>>82988204
>But yeah, you can have diversity in the past, just have diversity that makes sense,
Sure, have diversity that makes sense. Like, say, having a few black people at the 1814 Frost Fair. Given that 1814 was right in the middle of the highest era of black population in London before the modern age, and we have contemporary letters and diaries from people who were surprised by how many black people there were at the Frost Fair, and we have paintings of the Frost Fair that show black people there, why are you complaining that they showed black people there?

>>82987364
Ten was a huge fanboy about it

>>82988379
10 just thinks that Barty Crouch guy is hot.

>>82987911
I thought the point was that they remembered their whole lives, and their dreams, so they were deleted from the program as they grew conscious.
Don't know why the people at CERN was about to blow up themselves though, if the Monks allowed it to go that far, they could have pulled the plug already

I didn't understand any of that exposition.

What the fuck is going on in this episode? How can he see shapes and shit? Fucking Moffat.

>>82988379
The tenth doctor is fucking shit and I say this as a true fan

>>82988435
>tfw too dumb to understand extremis

>>82988435

he was psychically linked with his sonic sunglasses. the whole episode was the doctor fighting a simulation then stopping the entire thing from happening by warning himself before it happens.

>>82988204
Wait, what? Your idea of a utopia is a 50% black society?

>>82988518
American viewer, watching the episode now.

>>82988486
Maybe anon isn't dumb, just too old to understand those newfangled cyberpunk tropes. Also, why do these bands all dress in puffy shirts and have names like Duran Duran? Kids today with their Ataris and skating boards.

>>82988414
For the Tennantfags who've just returned from wanking over 10/Barty fantasies and are about to start posting again:

What if 10 and Barty met Casanova?

>>82988435
>How can he see shapes and shit?
Echolocation

>>82988649
How about;

Who would win in this situation; Kilgrave VS Ten

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>Bil I'm not real! BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL!
VNA LEVEL DARK
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L
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V
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D
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>>82988712
What's the actor who played the Ninth Doctor got to do with this?

THIS THREAD IS NOT REAL
MOVE TO REAL THREAD
>>82988809
>>82988809
>>82988809

>>82988791
>VNA LEVEL DARK
a-are you meming

>>82983254
Could be worse, we could have another round of beef jerky master

>>82988832
It's darker than an awful lot of VNAs

>>82988760
Obviously Hamlet wins that one, but Alec Hardy figures out that he did it in the end.

>>82988791
Just get it over with and die already, you aplotcheia ridden ballbag.

>>82988231

Can you not see the contradiction in your own posts? In paragraph one, I point out that the Doctor's tragedies are still the Doctor's tragedies. In paragraph 2, I responded to a post asserting that River Song's death was a) the Doctor's fault and b) tragic by pointing out that a) it wasn't the Doctor's fault and b) wasn't tragic.

The original post stated that when the Doctor fucked up under RTD, it cost him something personal, or it had another price - somebody's life got fucked up, or somebody died. All the people that died in his name that were paraded during Journey's End through the flashbacks, or Martha leaving him, because she was a) unappreciated and b) her personal life was irreparably fucked up just through connection with the Doctor. Or, to give another example, the nurse that refuses to travel with him in Family of Blood, because by choosing to hide on earth, he cost human lives. She wasn't enchanted by what a big silly billy he was, she was repulsed. When RTD's Doctor was hubristic, it caused problems, it didn't give solutions. "I'm clever, I'm very clever!" - Midnight. It turned everyone against him. Waters of Mars. It made him feared. It forced a woman to die in ignominy to redeem his mistake.

In Moffat Who, even when his hubris gets him into a sticky situation, it's only a matter of out-clevering the problem. Teehee Teselecta! Run you clever boy! Under Moffat, the Doctor's hubris is an asset, not a flaw, and costs him nothing. It's supposed to be part of his charm.

Now if you wanna give RTD stick for depriving the tragedy of his companion's exits with sentimental schmaltz, you get a point. If you wanna point out that the Ponds' exit was a tragedy for the Doctor (and you should've), you get a point. But the point still stands - the original post was pointing out that under Moffat, the Doctor's flaws never had any material, lasting consequence - and you haven't proved his flaws do.

>>82988912
Hardy doesn't figure out shit and he just gives himself up at the end just like the first season of the actual show

>>82988533

No, but their idea of a Utopia is. I say Utopian as in - diversity and tolerance, with no bigotry or prejudice. Chill out, take your cerebral /pol/sy meds.

>>82988440

You're fucking shit and I say this as a true fan

>>82986326

I wish my email's interface was that slick.

>>82988343

I'm not complaining about that specific instance, but could you source those claims? Because I've heard the opposite, that none of that is true. I'm more than happy to accept it is, in fact, I thought Dollard should get props for picking a historically diverse period to demonstrate that history -was- white-washed, until a bunch of anons said it was bullshit. Call me fickle.

Anyway, I'm more talking about when Moffat specifically said he was fictionalising the diversity of Earth history here:

"Moffat even talks about the idea he mentions above — the excuse of “historical accuracy” that some people often give to justify an all-white cast — “[W]e’ve kind of got to tell a lie: we’ll go back into history and there will be black people where, historically, there wouldn’t have been, and we won’t dwell on that. We’ll say, ‘To hell with it, this is the imaginary, better version of the world. By believing in it, we’ll summon it forth.’”

https://www.themarysue.com/steven-moffat-on-doctor-who-diversity/

By which I'm assuming he means stuff like Vampires of Venice, Robot of Sherwood, black Vikings and shit in Girl Who Died/ Woman Who Lived. Which means he's sticking black people into white history - since diversity tends to equal black when it comes to representation - when in fact he should be telling stories ABOUT African history, or Asian history, instead of focussing exclusively on European history.

>>82987718
It didn't change, you just became more of a sensitive man child. Clara being straight was far more important than Bill being gay.

>>82986337
Silly anon, that's clearly a jiffi-pop stovetop popcorn bubble for cyber-snacking on the go

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>>82989063
Nice projection

>>82989516

So you're saying the guy that thinks a world without bigotry and prejudice comes from /pol/? And it took you twenty minutes to come up with this witty riposte? I take it back, I think you may have actual cerebral palsy. My condolences, I hope you live a long and happy life regardless.

>>82989026
>The original post stated that when the Doctor fucked up under RTD, it cost him something personal, or it had another price - somebody's life got fucked up, or somebody died.
And that's not true. Sure, his companions leave him—just like every companion since 1963. But they all get happy endings. And he knows it. And he can even visit most of them. That's not tragic.

Meanwhile, Davros's list, if this were a different Doctor, could have been Katarina and Sara, or Adric, or all the people 7 manipulated into dying for the greater good, or, yes, Amy and Rory. But for 10, what can he come up with? The tree lady who 9 couldn't save, the kid who sold out humanity to the Sontarans, a woman the Cybermen killed because she wasn't suitable for upgrades, his daughter who isn't actually dead, Colin from LINDA who he never even met… Seriously, this is the list of tragedies caused by the 10th Doctor's hubris? RTD and Harper did a great job making that feel hugely significant, but it's nonsense if you think about it for even a second.

As for Martha—she left because he wouldn't fall in love with her. And he saw her again multiple times after that, and she was happy. You think Brian Williams was that happy at the end of his story?

>Now if you wanna give RTD stick for depriving the tragedy of his companion's exits with sentimental schmaltz, you get a point.
The schmaltz is fine. it's the fact that he undoes every one of them to give everyone a happy ending—and then has to pretend that there's some tragedy anyway for 10 to show remorse over, because Tennant is really good at playing that (which he is).

>If you wanna point out that the Ponds' exit was a tragedy for the Doctor (and you should've), you get a point.
It's not just the Ponds' exit. RTD companions always get happy endings; the only happy ending for a Moffat companion is one the Doctor doesn't know about because he had to erase his memory of her to keep from going mad and destroying the universe.

>Last of the etc etc etc

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Never you fucking tranny