/who/ Doctor Who General - FUCK Drumpf and FUCK white people edition

>>82202870
Can't wait until the next Doctor Who is Idris Elba.

>>82202870
>>82203271
((You)) need to stop

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>>82202870

>>82203318
Hopefully the next episode has an all black cast and white people are slaves. And the Doctor says "they deserve it, for great justice".

Best. Writing. Ever.

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https://archive.is/awJdc

>Moffat even talks about the idea he mentions above — the excuse of “historical accuracy” that some people often give to justify an all-white cast — “[W]e’ve kind of got to tell a lie: we’ll go back into history and there will be black people where, historically, there wouldn’t have been, and we won’t dwell on that. We’ll say, ‘To hell with it, this is the imaginary, better version of the world. By believing in it, we’ll summon it forth.’”

>>82203228
Everyone on /who/ has a touch of tism in some way or another

That picture is six years old, she's passed away since. The other cat I posted is her daughter. Dunno why I like taking pics sonicing their little beepers tho.

Love yer weeping angels shirt btw

I just want to address a historical inaccuracy in that episode that won't trigger both /pol/ and lefty/pol/.

The bad guy, blue coat, he was an aristocrat and a capitalist. What? Those were two entirely different social circles that had nothing to do with each other. You didn't see the Queen opening factories and you didn't see capitalists wearing crowns. The entire reason industrialisation was so controversial is because it took power away from the nobles and gave it to the petite borgeoise, which caused no end of social unrest in England.

But I suppose if they can't even handle racism and slavery (which didn't exist in mainland Britain in 1814) properly then what hope is there of them handling socioeconomics correctly?

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>>82203387
>We’ll say, ‘To hell with it, this is the imaginary, better version of the world. By believing in it, we’ll summon it forth

Taboo did the exact same thing, depicting the docks and wharfs around Wapping as multiracial and y'all were fine with that

>>82203387
>better version of the world
>less white people is better
Please, to the people defending this, why? Why is less white people better? Why do you hate white people?

>>82203387
>>82203438
There is nothing wrong with that statement/goal. Apart from anything else, it lets black character actors actually get work.

>>82203438
You mean Man in the High Castle is still possible?

Squeee!!!!

>>82203486
False premise. It's not "less white people", as there's still plenty of white people, it's just presenting the possibility that some people might not be (which is the actual source of objection to it, under all the "historically inaccurate" lampshading - no one cares about The Aztecs being all white actors).

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>>82203493
>there's nothing wrong with wanting less white people
Why not? When we said that about Africa it was evil racist colonialism, why is it okay to say jt about Britain?

>>82203486
Because racial harmony is only possible when whitey is a minority in England. Look at all the racial harmony in Africa and Middle East. We need to import that!

>>82203570
>It's not "less white people",
It is though. Percentage wise it went from the 99% it was in actuality to the 50% it was in the show.

>>82203428
>racism and slavery (which didn't exist in mainland Britain in 1814)
bait

>>82203415
Sorry to hear that. I was devastated when my dog died before the holidays, cried for days. Our cats hate the sonic noise, probably doesn't help that I chase them with it on occasion, we need the exercise though.
That shirt is one of a dozen or so of Belle's. She's always wearing something DW related.

>>82203574
Again, "less white people" is a strawman, it's just presenting an alternative to the usual all-white depiction. Where clearly certain people don't want one to exist

>>82203570
>it's not less white people, it's just more non-white people

Huh, never looked at it that way before.

>>82203486
because the average /who/ fangirls only chance of sex is to be raped by a muslim gang

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>It's a period piece episode
>It's a "racism is bad, MMM'KAY?" episode

Just kill this show now.

>>82203622
Slavery didn't exist in mainland Britain, lad, racism of course did. As, contrary to what your professor says, tribalism is genetically ingrained in our evolution.

>>82203637
How many people on /who/ own a sonic screwdriver, would you wager?

>>82203611
>the 99% it was in actuality
Hardly. A majority, definitely, and particularly in upper-class enclaves like Sutcliffe's (hence why he objects to seeing Bill "out of her element"), but dock areas and poorer neighborhoods had all sorts just by nature of being near ships. It's explicitly said in the episode that Bill's seeing more than she expects/would be typical, and there's a reason for it (the Frost Fair mingles all parts of society together).

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>>82203663
What are you talking about? This is actual history, London was 99% white, and even that's a conservative estimate, I don't think minorities made up a whole 1%, it was probably more like 0.3% or even lower.

Honestly, this lefty/pol/ victim complex, remember last eeek's emojibot episodes, who complained about the pod people being diverse? No one. Yet when we complain about actual historical inaccuracies you say we always complain, which is objectively false.

>Genesis of the Daleks
>It's a "Nazis are bad, m'kay?" episode
Fuck's sake, Hinchcliffe.

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>>82203723
Other than the odd merchant brough bzck for novelty from the East India Comoany it would have been all white.

See, this is why them lying about history is a problem because stupid people and children will actually believe the lies.

>>82203713
Out of the 50 core users? Somewhere between 25-30. TARDIS ownership would be a bit higher id think. I actually have no idea. We've never conducted a poll to my knowledge

>>82203387
>if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. "Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting.

>>82203695
>contrary to what your professor says, tribalism is genetically ingrained in our evolution.
Wow, you are so enlightened and redpilled!

>first season of doctor who
>FIRST proper alien is a "nazis are bad, mmkay??" walking message
This show is cursed

>>82203778
>London was 99% white
No, it was not.

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ROGHF?

>>82203622
Slavery was illegal since 1772 by common law - so a slave was freed auto as soon as he set foot on British soil -the technicalities meant that slave ships went on a triangle i.e. Africa America Britain
Indentured servants was another issue to get around that as were debtors
And this was 16 years before the abolition act of 1830 so there was rumblings against slavery form religious groups and also slave freed from the USA during the war of 1812 (see the drawings of black midshipmen during the napoelonic war)
Anyway - most of the non whites were at the fair where it's mostly entertainers whilst the labourers were all white people as were the posh area people

>>82203860
This is the poll we REALLY need

>>82203906
Don't bother, actual facts will just be "nuh uhed" because they don't fit the "BBC pushing an agenda" narrative.

>7th Doctor era
>every other story is a "Nazis are bad, mmkay" episode
No wonder the show was canceled.

>>82203947
Best to wait to ask until midweek or even during the off season. I wouldn't expect the casual viewers owning any.

>>82203897
Yes, it was. Fucking censuses exist, anon.

>>82203884
>>82204002
Who even mentioned Nazis? Sutcliffe's main plan doesn't even involve races, never mind being set before the existence of Nazism. It's a "killing people with a sea monster is bad" episode with one scene of "calling people That Creature is bad".

>>82204042
Entertainers and vagrants weren't in the census - and that's who we saw at the fair
The labourers and the posh servants were white
Also just google Hogarth black people

>>82203486
I don't get it either. I'm white, and I wish there were more white people in the world. I love white people.

>>82204042
Censuses at the time didn't account for street urchins.

>>82204114
Poor people, in general, weren't counted for much of anything by the Crown. During Jack the Ripper case it turned out the actual residency of Whitehall was something like three times what they expected.

>>82204114
Right, just for the sake of argument, you're wrong but let's play make belief, if 5% of London was black, which they weren't, even that wouldn't justify the show showing 50% as black.

>>82204116
Agreed. It's amazing how white people cant even come close to the reproduction capabilities of other races.

>>82204160
*Whitechapel

>>82204168
Why does it need to be "justified"? Do you have a similar objection to the karate monks from Tooth and Claw being uniformly white?

>Waaah my kids show about aliens and time travel isn't 100% historically accurate

All this crying about race makes /tv/ sound just like feminists whining about whitewashing.

This is a show where the moon is an egg ffs.

>>82204196
*Blackchapel

>>82204233
The difference is they didn't specifically say "No, no, no! This is horrifically white! We need to make this imaginary world better! More black!" With that. They did with this. Unironically.

God, if you're so mad at the black people, just write a 10th Doctor fanfic where it turns out Mickey fucked a bunch of hookers who gave birth to tons of black kids in 1800s London.

>>82204234
Oh, they don't actually care about historical accuracy. Don't be fooled by that.

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Dr. Who is garbage

>>82204179
K-selection, famm. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but combine it with foreign aid and r-selected immigration, and you've got a bad situation on your hands.

>>82204277
Exactly. No one said anything - white people in roles you might expect by their nature to be non-white is simply accepted. Whereas black people turning up in the Thames docklands is obviously an aberration that needs to be complained about.

>>82204375
Did you even read my post or are you in your own socially righteous world now?

>>82204395
Are you saying your basic argument ISN'T that black people turning up is a problem?

>>82204233
Yeah but weren't the monks actually from Scotland, not China?

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>>82203841

That's fucking wrong though. There was even a Black guy involved in leading the Chartist revolts.

>>82204425
My argument isn't that there are black people, it's that the production staff are so offended by the notion of it being majority white than they felt they needed to change that. See >>82203387

>>82204449
Yes, those historically-accurate orange-robed martial arts masters from Scotland. Clearly the BBC has an agenda to make us think Scottish people invented martial arts, and I need to whinge about this for 3000 words.

>>82204425
The problem is more with the clumsy shoehorning of a social-justice agenda into a light-hearted TV show.

"Whitewashing"

"Punch nazis"

"Homosexuality"

Why? Isn't this a kids show? Why are the writers trying so hard to make a political statement?

>>82204501
Not to mention egregiously calling attention to it in the process.

>>82204454

>There was even a Black guy involved in leading the Chartist revolts.

source?

>>82204425
My basic argument is that this mainstream politically correctness isn't funny or interesting, but instead forced and lame. Like solving police brutality with Pepsi.

>>82204594

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cuffay

>>82204501
The post you've linked just says that there shouldn't be an all-white cast, even if that means sacrificing strict accuracy. Ultimately the issue is, if you make it "accurate" by going fully white, you have to employ all white people for that filming block, which screws over non-white actors/extras for no good reason.

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>>82204591
That's the thing, they could have actually made it hard hitting, have it 100% white and have them all look at Bill like scum and treat her how the baddie did, then go back to modern day and say "Yes, it was an unenlightened time"

But instead they made it a BLACKED pozz special and the only people who liked it were middle class neo-liberal hipsters who've never seen a black person in real life.

>>82204501
I don't think you fully understand what you read. "summon it forth" is clearly said in jest. They don't really believe they are remaking the world.

Also, its painfully clear you just don't like seeing black people at all at anytime.

>>82204632
They could just hire black actors and not call attention to it. Nobody really cares.

But as soon as they say "history is whitewashed" to explain it away, it breaks the 4th wall.

Same as if Tilda Swanson plays an asian martial arts expert. It's "who cares" unless there's some clumsy dialogue calling attention it. Then it just looks stupid and forced.

>>82204668
>Also, its painfully clear you just don't like seeing black people at all at anytime.
I would give the benefit of the doubt in saying that maybe historical accuracy just really, really matters to certain people. Barely.

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>>82202870

>>82204234
>>82204300
You do realize Doctor Who was originally made to teach kids about history, right?

>>82204680
Except history actually is whitewashed a lot of the time. There was a black Knight of the Round Table called Moriaen who was very carefully kept out of Malory, T.H. White, and all the other texts. Many such cases!

>>82204761

And there's a reason you wrote "was originally" instead of "is", because that's not true anymore and hasn't been for quite a while.

>>82204758
>actually having this saved
Wew

>>82204784
WE

>>82204841
>not saving memes you find on 4chan
kek

>>82204868
And here comes the meme response with no idea content. Shall I do the "WUZ" and save you a click?

>>82204868
WAZ

Can anybody, with absolute certainty, say whether or not the abundance of minorities seen in today's episode was historically accurate?

I personally do not have an issue with it, but the argument can be settled if someone can just confirm or refute it. Can anybody do that and provide sources?

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Why does fucking EVERYTHING have to involve politics? This is a fucking British sci-fi show and I can't get away from it. Can't fiction just be fiction? Sure it can have allegories to modern times and events but does it really have to be as heavy handed as "Jesus was black" I mean are you serious with this shit. Why does everything have to so overtly push an agenda.

>watching doctor who as a racist
What the fuck? 50% of London wasn't black! This is bullshit!

>watching doctor who as a black person
What the fuck? Whites didn't treat the blacks as equal! This is bullshit!

>watching doctor who as a middle class antiracist who lives in a 100% white community and has never even seen a black person in real life before
Aah, finally, those cis white male racists get what's coming to them. When will they learn London SHOULD be diverse, so it ALWAYS WAS!

>>82204761
That was literally dropped before the first fucking episode you mong

>>82204841
That's my own oc, you moron.

>>82204903
KNIGGHETZ

>>82204709
I'm more perplexed why they did it in an episode that takes place in the pre-globalized past, while broadcasting it so obviously. They could have just done this for an episode that takes place in present day, or the future, and nobody would have thought twice.

>>82204934
t. Nilso

>>82204823
>>82204936

But that doesn't mean throw actually history out the window. It's fun to explore the actual past and learning from our successes and failures, however twisting it to fit an agenda is just wrong

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Here's what Tumblr thought.


Daily reminder /who/ is essentially tumblr.

>>82204985
Intriguing how quickly you moved the goalposts after your idiotic statement was pointed out as just that.

>>82204234
>This is a show where the moon is an egg ffs.
Remind us all how well that particular plot point was received.

>>82204784
>There was a black Knight of the Round Table called Moriaen
Nope. One of the Knights of the Round Table had a half-black son, who is featured in one of ten tales in a single 13th century Dutch text about Arthur.

>>82202870
well i'm not watching this shit anymore

if you who faggots ever wonder why the show was canceled in 2018 and never came back: this episode is your answer

>>82204945
AN' SHIT

>>82204665
This. One of the thing I liked about the Human Nature adaption was Martha holding her head up even she was being shat on by the students because she knew that times would change.

>>82205055
Bye
I wont miss you

>>82205025

>Being Tumblr
>by not being offended

U fuckin wot m8?

Hopefully that slut doesn't write too many episodes.

>it's a "the complaints about the episode have nothing to do with the actual episode" episode

>>82205055
>after seeing An Unearthly Child

Well I'm not watching this shit anymore. Led by a woman, directed by a gay Muslim? Disgusting SJW bullshit.

>after seeing The Daleks

Nazi robot expies? Disgusting. Making fun of Nazis is as bad as being a Nazi.

>>82202870
SOMEONE FUCKING TELL ME WAS THAT MAN AN ALIEN?

>>82205093
Diversity hire.

>>82205027
No I didn't the show had the idea of teaching kids history during production. Just because it changed to a sci-fi doesn't mean they get a green light to distort the past for a political agenda

>>82205055
See you next week

>>82205065
They could have done the same this episode. But of course, that would be too intellectual for the antifa, gotta bash le fash xDxD

>>82205097
It's a "disregard every valid complaint about the episode" episode

>>82205112
It was dropped before the first episode. You're arguing from a false premise. Doctor Who is not built on the idea of teaching kids actual history. Real history has never been its concern, that's why the last pure historical was fucking 35 years ago, and even that wasn't trying to "teach" anyone anything.

>>82205158
>every valid complaint
Ironically, there's a glaring flaw with the episode that has nothing to do with politics, but no one's stopped reeeing long enough to spot it.

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>>82202870

I hate when they cast people of the wrong race too

>>82205097
>the show remarks that history has been "whitewashed" and places more blacks and other neerdowells in the past than there were
>apparently pointing these things out isn't about the episode

Huh, got me really stinkin'.

>>82205105
The script seemed to imply that he was a human being whose family had discovered the river beast generations back. It dropped no hints whatsoever that the case was anything otherwise, except for the conjecture that he might be an alien, though the Doctor only suggested that before he had even met Sutcliffe.

>>82205202
The fact slavery was abolished? The fact the guy was both a capitalist and an aristocrat?

>>82204905
Google Hogarth black people

LADS PLS READ


What was that coal substitute stuff? The whale's shit?

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>>82204905
This is the summary table for the 1841 census, which was the first to record birthplaces. London wasn't treated separately: it was split across Kent, Surrey, Middlesex and Essex with a total population of 1,870,127.

But apparently the census just left loads of black people off, so you're free to make up whatever answer makes you feel best.

>>82205187
Next episode in oldie London has dinosaurs being shot with lasers from mech suits piloted by Chinese peasants. Just as realistic as having 50% black people.

>>82205202
This episode is so fucking boring for me that shitposting is the only thing that's entertaining me right now.

Let's face it, the triggering going on right now is probably more interesting then the last episode too.

>>82205231

>The fact the guy was both a capitalist and an aristocrat?

Should they have written a communist peasant as the villain of a story set in London in the 1800's?

>The episode was so boring there's nothing to talk about besides the politics

DWTV review made a good point. Bill hasn't slept since midway through The Pilot.

>>82205283
Seriously. The plot was so damned generic that the obvious virtue signaling was the only thing that stood out.

>>82205263

It's extremely obvious you have no real understanding of , let alone background in, history, given your absolutely bizarre devotion to not applying an ounce of critical thinking or contextual consideration to historical sources.

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>>82205105
So it was a pure historical aside from the Tardis and what not? Especially since that snake thing wasn't alien either?

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>tfw 17008 days until the 100th special

Fun Fact: 17008 days ago was a very slow news day, also Darren Oliver, a pitcher for Texas Rangers was born in Kansas City, Missouri

>>82205187
Except whenever they go to the past and something's fucked it's usually "Hmmm that's not right" the point is that crazy things that happen in historical events are made more fun with that juxtaposition. Knowing the original and then adding a twist is a good basis but completely rewriting aspects of history as fact because you want to make a statement isn't

>>82205262
Yes

>Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life. An unimportant life. A life without privilege.

Frankly, I'm proud to be a fan of a show that makes such statements.

>>82205403
Human progress is built on blood, death, war, and slavery. Anybody who pretends otherwise is a fool.

>>82205403
kill youself leftie

>>82205361
Wanting your opinion to be objectively true will never make it so.

>>82205355
Basically. Snakey is probably a fantasy creature though.

>>82205265
Kinda sounds a bit like deep breath crossed with victory of the daleks desu senpaitachi.

>>82205433
>>82205435
I remember being 13 too kiddos. Hang in there!

>>82205437
Then why do they keep pushing it in entertainment instead of writing interesting stories

>>82205435
>interpreting a generic statement of "value people" as "leftie"
I begin to see

>>82205333
Yes, clearly I should stick to googling "Hogarth black people" in future.

What a terrible thread for a terrible show.

>>82205472
That projection.

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>>82205472
> mfw when /who/ fan calls somebody immature

>>82205288
Capitalists and Aristocrats were two seperate groups. Aristocrats where the upper class nobility who owned farms the peasants worked on and Capitalists were the burgeoning middle class who had no connection to royals/nobles/land.

This, for me, was the worst historical inaccuracy in the episode.

>>82205483
You do realise you're interpreting things through your worldview, yes? Your opinion of what's happening isn't the "objective reality" of what happened. You thinking something's uninteresting doesn't make it uninteresting for everyone; you aren't the arbiter of quality.

>>82205494
you shouldnt pretend like poor people or nigers or chinks are as valuable as white man

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>political fights over soda
>political fights over video games
>political fights over books
>political fights over television
>political fights over food
>political fights over clothes

Is nothing sacred...

>>82205401
Really? How did they get it out of the sea? How did they found out it burned better than coal?

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BILL SLAVE SHIP EPISODE WHEN?

>>82205575
Use your imagination.

>>82205575
The dredges, and a prank gone awry I'd like to think.

>>82205546
>who owned farms the peasants worked on
That's basically capitalism. Same as a landlord today.

>>82205025
>>82205090
I don't know why the fuck he linked twitter and said tumblr but what are you even getting at why would tumblr be offended at series that push their message and clearly pander to them and their utopian vision of a mongrelized planet of low IQ mud people?

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Reminder /who/ is better than political shit-flinging.
OP >>82202870 is an idiot, and you're all idiots for falling in line with what he wanted.

I fucking hate on-season /who/.

>>82205288
No, too dangerous- it might have made for an interesting and nuanced villain with whom the audience could partially sympathise. No time for that sort of shit in nuwho!

just finished watching Thin Ice and holy shit that was brettygud

Sutcliffe is /pol/ as fuck or just a man of that era
do we still think Dollard is based

we hype for next week?

>>82205585
>he punches the ship owner and gets himself killed for it
pls

Mediocre episode that will only be remembered because the doctor punched a nazi for saying mean words
When will S10 get good? 8-9 were so good and now we've delved into forgettable

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So.....Trump

>>82205762
Knock Knock looks spoopy and neat desu

>>82205550
I'm not interpreting anything, this episode was just a soap box for the writer's political beliefs. Just because it validates a world view doesn't make it good. Blatantly lying about history and spending air time preaching your political beliefs to a strawman villain isn't good writing period. Politics in entertainment can be done well but this was so blatant it was offensive

I love the fact people in this general find the "Human life is sacred and valuable" message of the episode juvenile and laughable, but somehow coming to a 4chan general for a children's television show isn't.

>>82205713
Don't blame OP for just relaying what the episode wanted to point out to us.

>>82205614
The two classes fucking despised each other during the industrial revolution. Nobs thought the industrialists were uppity peasants trying to overthrow the social order and industrialists were essentially an-caps who hated the restrictions out on them.


I overlook the muh blacks because they made a concious choice to lie about history, but the fact they couldn't be bothered to show the socioeconomic rift between the bourgeoise and the nobility is disgusting.

>>82205784
>this episode was just a soap box for the writer's political beliefs

In your opinion.

Can you honestly not understand your opinions aren't objective judgements? You're filtering the episode through your worldview, experiences, personality, just like everyone else.

>this was so blatant it was offensive

To YOU.

>>82203481
I wasn't.

>>82205614
No, there was a pretty big divide between the rising industralist classes and the traditional landowners. Look at the conflict over the Corn Laws, or preferably the issue of municipal reform. It took Chartism, coupled with the industrialist desire to ape the gentry and the gentry's willingness to allow them to do so, to bring the two groups together.

>written by a woman
>chance to write an excellent episode that stands on it's own merits
>evil racist sexist capitalist white male is the bad guy
Kek. Good work Sarah, truly an inspiration for young girls

>>82205805
The "capitalist" terminology was clearly viewing him through that more broad modern lens; he wasn't actually in two classes at once.

>tfw this is probably the best season of Who in years and everyone is talking politics.

>>82205865
>this is the best doctor who has ever been
I'm fucking dead.

>>82205857
The episode is critically acclaimed. The normies liked it too. The only people complaining are the least important subset of the audience: the pathetic nerds, and the pathetic racists.

Thin Ice >>>>>>>>>>> The Pilot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smile

>>82205865
Are you fucking retarded? It has the potential to be great by the looks of future episodes but so far it's shit

>>82205883
>I'm fucking dead.
if only

>>82205840
>Can you honestly not understand your opinions aren't objective judgements?

Let's face it, when the Doctor straight up calls history "whitewashed", it's not much of an opinion.

>>82205858
He was though. He lived in a palace (nobility) and said he was building shit (industrialist)

They can't get anything right.

>>82205840
>To YOU.
wrong meme!

>>82203570
The Aztecs was a low budget BBC production made in the 60s. They kind of had to work with what they had, which was a whole lot of white actors. Also, they were playing Aztecs. At no point does the episode try to push the idea that the Aztecs were whiter than you've been lead to believe.

>>82205784
To be fair, much of what you're saying there I agree with, but you do see how "This episode does a bad job of telling what could have been a good message" is easily misinterpreted as "I fundamentally disagree with the anti-racist message"? Especially on 4chan?

>>82205912
It's much better than the fucking "mug Clara boyfriend is a cyber man shit"

Fuck outta here.

>>82205840
>In your opinion.

The Doctor litterally said "History is whitewashed. Jesus was black" That's not my opinion but a line straight from the episode. Tell me how that isn't blantantly pushing an agenda

>>82202870
Are you meant to cheer on the doctor for resorting to violence over words? Is that what they were going for?
Because I can't get behind that and I'm fairly certain there have been many doctor who episodes about the exact opposite

>>82205921
I'm honestly astonished, for some reason I expected better of /who/res, but I think you're being earnest with me here. You truly don't understand the concept of opinions.

>>82205970
Also the moon is an egg and Clara is mad at the doctor again.

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>>82205857
Most of the villains in the history of Doctor Who have been white males. Or aliens. Sometimes aliens who look like white males.

>>82205973
He literally did not. That is not a line straight from the episode, that's a clumsy paraphrasing misrepresenting the intention of the dialogue. Link the transcript or clip of the Doctor saying that if you're so confident - somehow I'm 100% certain you won't, because it's quite literally impossible, because he never said that. I'm rather intrigued to see you moving the goalposts to "oh he may as well have". You're the one saying it was a straight, direct, quote, and you're completely wrong.

>>82205992
that's not a/who/re that's a /pol/ aligned boardie.

>>82205973
Actually Bill says the scene is "blacker than she expected" and the Doctor says "so was Jesus". The line really should have been "darker than I expected", indicating that Jesus was Middle Eastern with olive-color skin, which was the intention. This is where I get to problems in execution vs. problems in basic concept - there's a shedload of problems in the execution, and Dollard's not a very experienced writer, which is why everything comes across clumsy and forced. Give the same script to Gatiss or Rona Munro for minor tweaks and you'd end up with a better version.

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>/who/ is already THIS political and we haven't even reached the episode where USA, russia and china are at war with each other

>>82205904
Are you retarded?

>>82205981
This is how I know you're a boardie who hasn't really watched the show in good faith.

>>82205966
I guess which is why I'm trying to put emphasis on the shitty aspects of the episode. Also this isn't the first time Doctor Who has had this message. The Doctor has spared his enemies because genocide is wrong and everything deserves to live. This time was just absolute garbage

>>82205805
Finally a good post.

>>82206061
there are /who/ regulars that frequent /pol/
/who/ is not a left wing sanctuary
Complaining about anyone who holds a right-wing view being a boardie who isn't a true /who/re is literally just reeeing, you're only making yourself look stupid

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>>82206039
>"we need more ethnic villains"
>ethnic villain arrives
>"OH SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ALL PEOPLE OF THIS ETHNICITY ARE EVIL THEN?"

there's no middle ground desu

>>82206096
In your opinion. Not in the opinion of the critics, or the majority of viewers.

>>82205973
History has been whitewahsed at least a little bit tho. Jesus looks like an Italian like every other painting in the renaissance. And if you look at old videos there wee plenty of blacks walking free in London. Not a ridiculous amount but enough that it was noticing to someone from the future expecting there to be only whites.

stupid samefags

>>82204425
It is a problem, it's blackwashing. If you think London was even 1% black back then you're delusional.

>>82206061
When will this meme end? We've had entire threads that are completely /pol/ aligned throughout the entire off-season. Sorry to burst your bubble but it's not just boardies

>>82205981
It's not just "words", in the way it'd be "words" if he just said "I support England colonizing other continents", it was a personal attack on his friend which clearly hurt her. Capaldi's whole personality is the short-tempered Scotsman, of course he'll twat you one for having a go at someone he cares about.

>>82206101
The show has literally been progressive since not just day one, but before it, as soon as the production team got assembled. It's only natural most fans are similarly inclined politically.

>>82205840
>>this episode was just a soap box for the writer's political beliefs
>In your opinion.
Er, no. That's an objective analysis.

>>82206143
>right wing people aren't allowed to watch anything that doesn't align perfectly with their political views
>stop watching my show reeeee

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>>82205981
he's Scottish

>>82206080
Are you a pleb?


(yes)

>>82206101
how do /who/res start a conversation? what's the oldest meme? what are your top 3 /who/ memes? who's your favorite doctor?

>>82206159
Fascinating strawman argument there, did you pick that little logical fallacy up from Reddit?

>>82206125
It's still just words. Eye for an eye. Physical violence over a verbal attack with no physical threat is never justified.

Why is bill always looking disgusted.


Is her chin in the vault?

>>82206199
Regardless of your personal politics, it's very much in character for the Doctor, particularly this incarnation.

>>82206117
I will admit, it was annoying how literallly half the cast was black for no other reason then politically progressive casting, but the Jesus quip made me chuckle in a good way.

>>82206228
Sure, but are we meant to treat him as a hero for doing it? Because I don't

>>82206120
find 5 in the off season.

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>>82205981
>Are you meant to cheer on the doctor for resorting to violence over words?
Yes. 'Let's use words' only lasted as long as the left got its own way. Now that the right has started winning victories through the standard political process, the left is fully on board with the whole 'violence' thing.

>>82206199
>someone approaches your friend/relative/significant other and says "who let this creature in here"
>lol it's just words, just ignore it, a punch on the jaw would be unjustified

>>82205973
> Jesus was black"
> Tell me how that isn't blantantly pushing an agenda

Sounds OK in principle. Just needs some work on the material.

Hitler was a Muslim.

Stalin was a feminist.

These are now BBC facts.

>>82206247
The show isn't as didactic as that. Interpret it how you want and stop caring so much about how you're "meant to feel" - interpret art through your own lens without seeking social approval. You'll be a lot happier that way, and find engaging with any media more fulfilling.

>>82206143
>The show has literally been progressive since not just day one, but before it,
Damn straight. (((Verity Lambert)))
It was the Jews all along.

>>82206247
The Doctor is not a hero. He's a morally dubious character whose first recorded action was stealing a vehicle.

Just a reminder they didn't remind us Bill is a lesbian.

>>82206262
>the left

American liberals are not "left". Even if they were, sweeping generalisations just make you look as much a moron as they.

>>82206263
>a punch on the jaw would be unjustified
It literally is.
It's an absolutely horrible thing to say, but at no point was bill under any physical threat. Physical violence is not an appropriate response.

>>82206273
Jesus almost certainly wasn't white

>>82206355
In your opinion. Not the Doctor's.

Is anyone actually offended at the notion that a man from the middle east 2000 years ago wasn't white? Or are people taking it as "jesus was literally black" and getting upset over a misinterpretation?

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>>82206294
FUCK YOU /POL/

>>82206143
Doctor Who worked closely with the British military for most of the original series. You're saying that's progressive now?

>>82206051
You know what, I did. The line is:

"History's a lot blacker"
"So was Jesus. History's a white wash"

It's still heavy handed and forced political dialog.

>>82206066
I agree but it's so clumsy and I'm just sick of the ham fisted political shit

>>82206117
And Jesus has also been Japanese/Korean/Chinese. etc. I don't care about the black extras either they've always been there but pointing them out and saying "Look Doctor, black people!" for a snarky political comment is annoying. I don't care about an interracial cast of actors but when the only reason they're there is to push political commentary it pisses me off

>>82206396
/pol/ was right again.

>>82206390
100% the latter, of course. Look at where we are.

>>82206368
No one said he was

>>82206396
Look up Sydney Newman, that sounds like a Jewish name too.

>>82206254
You do it then come back and apologize for being a faggot

>>82206414
Love this moving of the goalposts, really cool stuff. Really makes you think - when actual proof is presented, the racists backpedal and weasel word to a less extreme talking point. I wonder why that is...

>>82206390
The latter. Whole "controversy" could have been avoided if she'd just written "darker" instead of "blacker" to clarify (which, interestingly, is the sort of minor slipup Chibnall's writers room would probably catch).

>>82206471
Oh of course, silly me, I forgot - proof would destroy your idiotic arguments, so of course you'd retreat to vague passive-agressive arguments rather than actually settling things through proving talking points.

>>82206473
The Doctor Who writers are the real racists. Trying to blackwash English history.

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>>82206458
Well, that's enough internet for me.

>>82203867
this

>>82206473
I love how you dodge responding directly by trying to act snarky. I haven't changed my stance at all and I've given you the dialog verbatim. Now please tell me how it isn't pushing a political agenda

>>82206517
>>82206473
ladies you're both beautiful now kiss/fuck and make up

>>82206530
I absolutely love these arguments that not only have no proof or evidence, but not even any argumentation at all! Just gnashing of teeth thrust out into the void. Brilliant!

>>82206473
To be fair I don't think that poster's one of the racists. There's clearly at least one who hated the Sutcliffe punch because they agreed with him on some level though, judging by the "our guy" OP a few threads back.

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Bit of an update on Moonbase: basically, most of ripped normally, but some files came out with audio syncing issues. I'll re-rip the videos, but just to ask, does anyone know how to easily fix the out-of-sync audio?

>>82203387
>a better world with fewer white people
lmao

>>82206455
Problem then?

>>82206175
No, fuck you.

Smile > The Pilot >>>>>>>> Thin Ice

>>82206517
Are you implying we don't regularly have /pol/ based threads? Is this honestly your first day? I'm not going to spend my time combing through months of fucking threads to give someone proof on an albanian horse riding forum. If you weren't a fucking boardie you'd have seen them for yourself.

>>82206564
You replied to three people m8, I'm not the one you think I am

>>82206390
I'm mostly mad that they're trying to push the idea that Britain was always multicultural, so they can justify letting in more people who will commit crimes, sponge benefits, and rape people's kids. Mostly.

The Pilot
>great
Smile
>good
Thin Ice
>okay

>>82206582
Form what he actually said, more like "that doesn't present everything as entirely white". But carry on with your anti-white persecution fantasy.

>>82206608
Wow. That's sad.

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>>82206548
>>82206458
>the two founders of doctor who were ethnic jews
are /pol/ /our guys/?

>>82206614
This is fantastic. Anyone reading this, look how consistently this anon goes out of their way to not actually provide an ounce of proof. I really wonder why that could be...

Could it be because...they don't have any?

>>82202870
So what's in the vault?

>>82206639
Yes, it is sad that the quality of the show has dropped this early on.

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>>82202870

nothing wrong with punching racists

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so how about Bill Anderson's direction then

>>82206693
It dropped in 2005

>>82206693
In your opinion.

>>82206608
Non Jewish television
V
V
V
doctor who

>>82206687
simm

>>82204548
Political correctness sells commercials these days

>>82206624
If oldie London was 50% black, does that mean half the English slavers were black?

How do you pay reparations to yourself? Is that even possible?

>>82206746
why though

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>>82206687

>>82206687
Simm-Master, for some reason.

>>82206772
because the knocks

>>82206721
Nothing wrong with shooting commies.

Or burning faggots.

>>82206731
Are you implying I'm in the wrong here?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJQUhzuh5oI

>>82206778
Why would the Doctor keep the past incarnation of Missy, who's currently still alive, locked up?

>>82206752
>commercials
What?

>>82206595
We wasn't black either

>>82206803
See this? This is a stupid thing to say.

>>82206808
Why must you post this evil here?

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>>82206808
>Christel in a suit
This is my fetish

>>82206825
Because wibbly-wobbly timey wimey Moffat said so.

>>82206581
I'm not too well versed in video editing, but I know you can separate audio tracks from video in Camtasia Studio 7 and move the track on the timeline so it syncs properly?

>>82206806
I'm not implying anything, I'm outright stating that your opinion is just that - an opinion.

>>82206825
because simm is actually dangerous

>>82206961
Cool. Just as long as you're not implying I'm in the wrong for having an opinion differing from others.

>>82206825
Missy flirts with people
Simm eats people

>>82207019
#imwithher

>>82203493
This. Take a look at nonwhite countries. They're as close to utopias as you can get.

>>82207001
There is no right or wrong here, just different opinions. None of them are facts.

Blacks were the original Irish and they also built stone henge

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=2225

>>82207062
Don't even try, this place is too >>>/pol/ to see sense. I wish I could take all these people to Somalia and show them what a true haven looks like.

HOW THE FUCK DID I NOT CATCH THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJftr70OuP0

knock knock
who's there
find out next week

>>82206874
Burning faggots of wood? What's wrong with that?

Shoot-a-commie is OK too. Same as punch-a-nazi.

>>82206825
Breaking the First Law of Time fucks up history unless you're very careful.

The Doctor is careful—and most of the time the Time Lords are actually monitoring his multi-Doctor adventures.

The Master would not be careful. Missy might even go out of her way to do something that destroys the web of time just to get the Doctor's attention, while Simmaster might do if just for the lulz.

So the Doctor is keeping Missy from finding out about Simmaster.

>>82207104
calm down

>>82207079
> "50% of old England was black" is an "opinion"
> no right or wrong

kys

New thread
>>82206909
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>>82206909
>>82206909
>>82206909
>>82206909

>>82207182
>shooting is the same as punching

>>82207233
That has absolutely nothing to do with the reply chain you've linked to. Nice virtue signalling though.

>>82207243
Shooting is more efficient. It's my German heritage.

>>82207243
Yes, both are capable of killing

>>82207302
Wow, can't see the flaw in that reasoning.

>>82207104
We've had at least two major TARDIS interior shuffles since then (The Eleventh Hour and The Doctor's Wife), and yet the wardrobe is in the same place.

So the TARDIS guessed he'd have fun giving the exact same directions three incarnations later, and put the wardrobe back in the same place in her last reconfiguration.

There's a short story that does the same thing. After the Doctor swapped TARDISes with an alternate timeline Third Doctor in Blood Heat, he's feeling down because his TARDIS doesn't share all the memories he's had since The Silurians. But then he discovers that she's moved the swimming pool to the same place it was for Four, which the TARDIS did to let him know not to worry, she remembers because she's a TARDIS.

>>82207351
King-hit punches are not to be underestimated

>>82207351
have you been to a Scottish/Irish pub

COME THE FUCK OUT COPY-ANON

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>>82202870

>>82206636
He's not talking about imagining a world that doesn't present everything as entirely white, he's talking about an "imaginary, better version of the world" with more non-whites.

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>>82204917
>Why does fucking EVERYTHING have to involve politics?
The system is collapsing. People are going to talk about it m8. Sorry you're on the wrong side of history and it makes you uncomfortable.

>>82204934
>What the fuck? 50% of London wasn't black! This is bullshit!
How is this a racist statement? It's about being accurate and not pushing a fucking agenda..