Does anyone else find it sad how easily people can be swayed by a biased documentary? I thought Ricky Gervais and Alec Baldwin were intelligent. Just because there are some inconsistencies doesn't prove that Avery didn't do it.
>>64527584 >There are scores of people out there who genuinely think that Avery 100% did not do it.
Maybe. But I'd like to think they actually feel he should have been acquitted based on the case the prosecutors presented. Or at the very least granted a retrial based on the conflict of interest of manitowoc county being involved in the investigation. If there are people who feel 100% certain he didn't do it, then they certainly are easily swayed.
>>64530314 Avery has that sweet talk. He can manipulate anyone.
Brenden is just a slow adult. Sure he's likable and you feel sorry for him but unless they're REALLY fucked up I doubt someone out their would sympathy fuck him for the rest of their life. But he did claim to have a gf before prison so who knows.
>>64530427 >But he did claim to have a gf before prison That was just a poular girl going up to him in the school cafeteria saying Brendan was really hot and would he be her bf, while everyone else was howling with laughter.
>>64527366 So many documentaries are like this. You always have to check out the creator and see what his agenda is. 75% of the time it's going to be slanted one way or another. Ignoring all evidence contrary to their goals or glossing over it. sadly a lot of times documentaries are mostly fictional
>>64532788 Yeah, there's no correlation between animal torture and violent criminal offenders or anything. It's not as if animal cruelty is a reliable predictor of violence against other people or abuse at home.
Mom: Did he make you do this? Brendan: Ya. Mom: then why didn't you tell him that? Brendan: Tell him what? Mom: That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things. Brendan: Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
>>64524638 Oh I love 4chan always being contrarian, even though you're usually 100% fucking wrong, as usual. I love the police. Lets all live in a police state. Those inbred hillbillies are more American than you useless fucks
Crooked cops and prosecutors seeking a conviction. WI looked embarrassingly bad in this doc. Especially considering that they were having a difficult time proving a case against a literal retard and inbred pig fucker
>>64536306 Except the show downplays it along with Avery's other previous convictions.
Just finished ep 5, and there are strange things about the case, with the deleted phone messages, the called in plate, and how fast the vehicle was located. But what of it is substantial? Something unusual the defense attorney said - saying he didn't want the FBI to test the evidence because he didn't trust the FBI. Seems he wanted to bank on raising doubts over the evidence rather than it being seriously investigated.
>>64525650 I used live on Baxter Trail. Why was it called that? Because Mr. Baxter was the that owned the grader and made the road. When the county finally started putting it on the maps, and the USPS started delivering, they just stuck his name on it.
>>64537126 Scott and Bobby are probably the ones that did it.
I mean, why lie about your alibi? they were each others alibi and the bus driver BTFO. They both had a long history of sexual and physical violence. The scratches on the back. Access to Steve's yard and trailer. Something about they had bloody clothes too. They never explain who deleted the voicemail after she had died either. Probably wasn't Steve, Brendan or Scott & Bobby. I don't know, I feel like a conspiracy theorist. Maybe Steve did do it. Brendan probably not. I still think more people should have been investigated more thoroughly
>>64537269 Brendan also claims they had her tied, raped her, slit her throat then shot her. As far as I know there were no scratches on the bedpost were handcuffs would have been. How do you explain finding absolutely no DNA inside the clusterfuck trailer or garage? you expect me to believe they were smart enough to clean absolutely every blood spatter and pick up every hair, yet they were stupid enough to leave her remains 10 feet from the crime scene and not crush the fucking car
>>64524638 4chan is so fucking annoying with its contrarian bullshit. No way they proved he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, yet 4chan keeps saying he's guilty just because so many normies are on his side. Then everyone starts pointing out that documentaries are all biased as if this is somehow news Of course they are fucking biased. They are telling a story. If the filmmakers believe that he is innocent, then that is the film they need to make. As long as they don't blatantly lie or omit anything major, then its fine Bunch of fucking autists. Its okay to agree with people.
>>64537351 The full transcript shows much of his confession was elicited with straight forward questioning, in spite of what the documentary shows. >>64537357 He mentioned Avery opening the hood of the vehicle and the materials burnt with Theresa's body. Where the truth begins or ends with Brendan's confession is hard to say, but I think he waa probably coaxed by his uncle into participating in some manner.
>>64537558 the jury was also biased. The excused juror even said so, Anon. Imagine being a juror to a case where you've been hearing for 4 months on tv about a guy fucking the shit out of some bitch with his nephew then killing her
>>64537499 >don't blatantly lie or omit anything major
They did. There are several articles out there with the prosecutor and various related parties whipping the shit out of the series. One of the big ones was how they imply that the ballistics match was faked. They pulled the ballistics data (the rifle markings on the bullet) long before they ever found the gun.
>>64537490 Like I said, it's hard to say where the truth begins and ends, but it's clear to me he was involved. As for not crushing the car, this doesn't bother me. If you read a lot of crime cases, you'll find killers often neglect obvious things while otherwise covering their tracks. It's not that unusual. You're acting as if these ate normal people.
>>64537836 Okay? Again, you're talking as a mentally stable person. Psychopath killers often have certain lapses in judgement. They're not all there. Avery's idiotic oversight doesn't seem all that strange to me if he's a psychopath.
>>64537862 jury selection was done months after he had gotten arrested and the media sensationalized the fuck out of the story. Really, you think none of them seen the case on LE F0X NEWZ? not to mention two jurors were related to cops :^)
>>64537898 Stephen Avery is convicted of a sexual assault and imprisoned for 18 years despite TONS of evidence that it wasn't him. New DNA evidence is found in 2003 that proves that he is innocent. He sues the sheriff's dept for 36 million. A woman goes missing in 2005 and Avery is the last person to see her. There is some very suspicious evidence found on Avery's property that makes it seem like he killed her. However a lot of this evidence makes no sense and looks suspiciously like it was planted, possibly by the authorities so they can get out of paying the 36 million. Avery is convicted and is currently in jail.
>>64537993 had he not cleaned all the microscopic blood spatters and picked up every hair strand but crushed the car, ok. You think he went through his hoard palace and cleaned hundreds up tiny objects but forgot to crush the bigass car sitting in his yard, crushing cars being something he's probably done thousands of times. How many times do you think he's cleaned a crime scene to perfection
>>64538067 I'm curious to know what you think happened. I came out of it having the idea that Brendens brother Bobby and his step father Scott were killers, and Brenden some how got mixed up in it, that is why he turned. I only thought this when it hit that Bobby was the last to see him and he 'passed' his dad on the freeway, followed and killed her and burned her in the Quarry where the cop called in days before the car was found with the plate. But apparently this is a common idea.
>>64538171 I'm just saying it seems fishy. I'm pretty sure they convicted him based on Brendans testimony, no? or at least used it against him in court. I honestly don't remember if so then it's assumed she died inside the trailer because that's clearly what his confession says
>>64538244 and his blood sample vial had definitely been tampered with. The EDT test or whatever didn't really prove fuck all. I read somewhere the last time it was done before that case was something like 1994. I would find the link but I am far too lazy and I'm going to bed. Look it up though if you don't believe me. They couldn't prove there was any or there wasn't any in the blood. They could only prove that they couldn't detect any. It was pretty inconclusive, yet the jury ate it up.
>M: the papers say that your lawyer is trying to get them to throw out your confession >B: What does that mean? >M: That they are going to throw out the confession that they made you say or whatever >B: Yah, they said that my story was.. um.. "inconsistent" >B: What does "inconsistent" mean? >M: I don't know >B: Is it like.. false.. or something? >M: I don't know
>>64538436 his cousin was talking mad shit about him. I would never point a gun at a stranger but my own shitlord cousin, maybe. Not to mention he's a inbred retard, definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed. At least he never fired
>>64538487 I've told every member of my family except for my mother and sister that I'm going to kill them and they've said the same to me on multiple occasions despite none of us ever actually harming someone.
Some people talk rough and that's no proof of violence whether he did it or not.
>>64538753 What, you've never told your brother that you're going to kill him after he duct taped you to the bed and stood it up up side down or after he knocked your sandwich out of your hand for the third time that night?
Sounds like you've never lived the Trailer Park Boys life at all and I feel a little sorry for you.
>>64538742 It's kind of understandable on a certain level for siblings to act like assholes to each other though. Now that I'm thinking about it it's not totally equivalent to a man threatening to kill his wife, but then again if that man is in prison for a crime he didn't commit he might have a lot of pent-up frustration and it might come out in that way.
>>64538907 Yeah I realize the difference, but as you say you've got to put things into perspective.
Not only is he serving several years in prison for looking like some rapist and having a beef with local police, but she's also at the same time talking about never letting him see his children again. That kind of thing would make a lot of guys flip their shit.
Also, I'm not saying he didn't kill the girl or that he has never used violence before. I'm just saying that that single threatening letter shouldn't be enough to categorize him as violent.
So, I haven't watched this yet, but based on what I've heard...the prosecution closes the first guy's trial stating that he murdered the girl in his garage, then closes the retarded kid's trial stating the same girl was murdered in the bedroom? How is that by itself not grounds for a mistrial?
>>64539311 >“Just because a documentary on TV says something doesn’t mean that’s actually what the evidence shows,” Walker said. “The bottom line is that there was a crime that was committed a decade ago, there is a system in the judicial system by which individuals can petition the courts to get relief like others have done in the past that shows that someone might actually be innocent. But I am not going to override a system that is already put in place.”
Given the improprieties in the case, the best solution is to have the DoJ investigate the whole thing, including the agencies involved. Especially since one of them had a thirty-six million dollar conflict of interest.
>>64536625 his confession was consistent with the evidence and the course of events argued by the prosecutors in steven case. his mother also saw bleach on his jeans when he came home from stevens that night.
if you read his confessions they extremely detailed and honestly you have no choice but to convict him at that point.
>>64537558 >Didn't watch the series >Didn't even bother to look up anything about the Jury
Why even reply fucking nigger? 7 of the jurors said not guilty, then the next day all 7 of them turned. That in anyway doesn't seem odd to you?
I live in Manitowoc, if you were on that jury and said not guilty you couldn't live here anymore. You'd be harassed into oblivion. This city keeps the people they don't like down and the ass lickers respectable.
>>64539660 >"(The juror) told us that they believe Steven Avery was not proven guilty,'' Ricciardi said. "They believe Steven was framed by law enforcement and that he deserves a new trial, and if he receives a new trial, in their opinion it should take place far away from Wisconsin."
>"They told us really that they were afraid that if they held out for a mistrial that it would be easy to identify which juror had done that and that they were fearful for their own safety,'' Demos said.
I came across a post on MGoBlog (Michigan football blog) that presented a pretty good scenario:
(1/2) He forced her into the back of her SUV while she was packing up her camera or whatever. He hit her over the head, maybe raped/assaulted her (all in the back of the Rav4, where her blood was found). Then he backs the Rav4 to the fire pit. Burns the body, but there's still bone chunks. He walks over and grabs his neighbor/sister's burn barrel from across the yard. He scoops up the fragments he can find into the barrel then takes them to the gravel pit to discard them. He slices his finger on the rusty barrel while dumping it. Puts the barrel back. Hops in the car to move it, with the finger bleeding. Parks the car in a line of junk cars. Wipes down the steering wheel and door, but can't get the blood out of the cloth seat -- and doesn't noticed he touched blood to the dash while inserting the keys up under the steering wheel. He can't crush the car without his family members noticing bc they are all getting home from school/work, and it'd be suspicious to crush a car during non-work hours. So he parks it until he can do it later, and covers it up with wood and brush.
The girl gets reported missing, that one cop illegally looks through the junkyard roads. He spots the Rav4, but can't say anything or it'd be inadmissible in court bc of the illegal search. So he calls in to dispatch and has the odd convo about the license plate number and color/make of the car. He knows he's found it, but can't do anything, so he waits until the next day and tips the search party leaders (bro & ex-bf) where to look exactly. The search party finds it immediately, and even knew to bring a camera. Since they had permission to search by Avery's brother, the search is legit and the cops have their probable cause to arrest Avery and search the property legally. Avery had a huge bon fire that night to cover up the fact that he had an earlier fire to torch a body. However, he didn't remove all the fragments so they find some anyway. They also find some in the barrel he used to transport them, as well as in the gravel pit he dumped them at. He had the keys hidden behind his nightstand or whatever that was, bc he'd need them again when it was time to crush the car or move it. He just never had time to bc he was caught first. There's no blood inside or anywhere around his house, bc he did everything right in the back of the SUV. The only thing I have no clue about is the garage bullet.
>>64540110 it was a hard cut to a small part of the conversation. we dont know what they are talking about. also the lab person might just be a retard as well. how do you think they put the blood in their and stopped it from getting infected after 20 years?
its a vacuum sealed tube with EDTA to prevent coagulation.
>>64540003 >>64540064 I thought most of the bone fragments were around Avery's trailer and only a few were at the gravel pit, implying they were moved from the pit to the trailer.
>>64540174 Because he was a literal retard who got pressured into saying anything the cops wanted probably thinking they would just let him go because that's what they made it sound like with their good cop bad cop routine.
Have you read more about SA after watching the doc? In addition to setting the family cat on fire, running someone off the road and pointing a gun at them, and threatening to murder his wife in letters he sent from jail, he was also accused of raping his cousin. Also if you read the full phone transcripts between Brendan and his mom, Brendan says that SA touched him inappropriately. This is really one of the few things that Brendan brings up on his own. He described a "pumping" action in an inappropriate place. In response his mother let on that she knew some of this was happening, but she thought it was mainly horseplay. SA also seemed to be infatuated with Teresa. He had answered the door with a towel earlier and made multiple calls requesting that she specifically come out to his property. Teresa had also complained to her boss about SA being creepy.
I've read about this an insane amount over the last week and tried to be as objective as possibly. If we are being honest SA almost certainly did this. That doesn't mean he should be in jail for it though.
>>64540238 there were other bone fragments but they were never confirmed to be from teresa such as those from the gravel pit. this means the only body parts from her were found in the fire pit outside the trailer.
>The only thing I have no clue about is the garage bullet.
I think it's pretty obvious she wasn't shot in the garage though. They searched every corner and even dug up the concrete, and they didn't find any of her DNA. Did you see what a mess that garage was?
What really isn't explained in the theory I posted was the fact that she was shot according to forensics. I guess the easiest explanation that would fit with the scenario is that SA finished her off at the pit before burning her.
>>64540064 There is no way a person with access to a car crusher would have gone out of town and just chilled and hit the car under like three branches instead of CRUSHING THE CAR WITH THE CAR CRUSHER YOU OWN AND OPERATE ON A DAILY BASIS.
I'm open to the possibility that he's guilty, but all that evidence is planted. All of it.
I said almost certainly, not that I certainly know. There is a big difference. Of course I don't certainly know. This is my opinion based on what I have watched and read anyway. Feel free to have a different opinion.
Here are three things that can all be true:
-SA committed the crime. -Police planted evidence. -SA should not be in jail.
>>64540411 so its either: >dozens of pieces of evidence including murder weapon and DNA of victim and himself, several confessions from an accessory to the crime, a history of violence against women and possible infatuation with the victim >the fact that he didnt crush car invalidates all of this and means he had no involvement yes anon, that is a much simpler explanation.
No man, c'mon. We can't have this discussion if you're not going to be reasonable. You're either being a dick or your brain functions in a way similar to Brendan's.
He wouldn't have taken the bullet to the garage and tossed it under some junk. The police would have planted it after putting her DNA on it. Do you really believe she could have been shot in that garage? It's just not possible.
The crusher thing is overblown in my opinion. He had access to the crusher, sure, but it may have been strange to others around if he went and did a one-off crushing. I imagine you have to then operate more heavy machinery to move the crushed car. It's not small task. Also from the pictures they showed it just crushed the car vertically and would have left it somewhat recognizable. It didn't seem like one of the crushers that makes little cubes or crushes several cars together.
I think he temporarily hid the car and it was found faster than he could have imagined. This was a 40 acre junkyard with thousands of cars.
Cops planting evidence doesn't necessarily mean Avery's innocent. And Avery killing the girl doesn't necessarily mean that the cops did their job without fucking with the evidence and then lying about it.
>>64540787 >it was found faster than he could have imagined.
He wasn't arrested the moment she was reported missing, he had a few days. not to mention the only way Avery was implicated to begin with was the car. Who is going to find a crushed car in the middle of that massive junk yard? the woman even admitted they wouldn't have found it if they weren't "lead there by god" or whatever.
Also I think it makes a lot of sense that the police illegally searched the lot before getting a search warrant. This would explain Colburn calling in the plates. It would also explain how the search party volunteers were able to find the car after 15 minutes. Also they were the only people given a digital camera.
>>64540787 So he could've done it another day when they had more to crush to seem less suspicious? The murder took place during the day and the crusher was far from their houses so I still don't think he had anything to do with the car. If it were crushed no one would have ever recognized it
>>64541002 because he admitted his guilt and served his time so it is no longer relevant. Such is the justice system. >>64541009 Then he deserves another trial, and probably to go free. Just like casey Anthony. Even though she did it
well, regarding the vehicle... if SA didn't move it on his own to the lot, I would really like to here some plausible theories on what happened. Also for those that don't believe SA was involved at all, how do we explain the bonfire? Was it just a big coincidence? Or whoever was responsible burned the body after seeing that SA was having a fire with the intention of later moving the remains there?
>>64541057 >I would really like to here some plausible theories on what happened.
Police found the car and drove it there. You can drive into the property and not alert any of the averys quite easily.
>how do we explain the bonfire?
what's to explain? they had a bonfire. And the burn pit is the perfect place to dump the remains. he didn't need to have a bonfire to dump the bones there, I'm sure a pit would have ashes and stuff in it already assuming it's been used before.
>>64541057 Well, they also owned an Incinerator that SA knew how to operate as well and it'd be way better to dispose of a body and leave little remains as opposed to a bonfire. I think Bobby did it but we may never know because they never searched his place
>>64541106 But I fucking didn't you retarded cunt.
>Cops planting evidence doesn't necessarily mean Avery's innocent. In this sentence I'm not saying that the cops did plant evidence. I'm saying that even if they did, that doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent.
>And Avery killing the girl doesn't necessarily mean that the cops did their job without fucking with the evidence and then lying about it. And in this sentence, I'm not saying that he killed the girl. I'm saying that even if he did kill her, the cops could still fuck with the evidence.
Seriously, reading comprehension.
Can some other English-speaker please tell him that the sentence is used in the correct way?
>>64541163 So you think that the cops can plant all kinds of evidence and compromise lawyers and do whatever the fuck they want and leave no recourse for the citizen? Please go kill yourself. Even if he did it that kind of shit is inexcusable. And I'd go even further to say that even if he did it he should have gotten 18 years time served off his sentence.
>>64541124 >Police found the car and drove it there. You can drive into the property and not alert any of the averys quite easily.
So do you believe everything on the Avery property was planted by the police? You think they found the body elsewhere and put it in the burn pile? Were the cops also responsible for burning the body, or they found it like that?
Those cops are scumbags, but I don't believe they pinned it on SA in this fashion. SA, Tadych, and/or Bobby HAD to be involved imo.
>>64541432 I'm not saying he's a saint, but even if he was capable of rape and murder why would he risk the 36 million dollars that he's got coming to him? why would he risk going back to jail when he spent 18 years there? I just don't see the motive, it's not like he doesn't have a girlfriend.
>>64541176 >a rapist and murderer is guilty of the crime and is convicted >justice system is broken im actually quite pleased at the result given that the police could have fucked everything up. since the right man is in jail there is literally nothing to worry about.
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