>no evidence that he was involved in the crime whatsoever
>other than a "confession" on video that literally shows the officers both telling this mentally retarded 16 year old what he did and making him take random guesses until they have constructed piece by piece this tailor made statement
>any way this would be more ridiculous if they just printed the confession out beforehand and made him sign it
>he gets convictet
As someone who's not familiar with the american justice system this is just baffling. If this had happened in my country, I highly doubt it would have even made it to trial. They didn't even order for a psychological evaluation. And that smug lawyer of his is actively trying to get him convicted. That scene where some guy hands Brendan that form where he has to write down that he's sorry for what he did that looks like something North Koreans or the medieval inquisition would use.
This is a fucking circus show.
No. They also don't have their hand constantly on their gun holster when they pull you over for a traffic control.
Imagine you're doing a job where you can be shot by literally anyone at any second. I'd get frustrated too and start rounding up people who I think did something wrong.
It's the most bizarre court case I can even think of including the most ridiculous plotlines from Special Victims Unit.
It would make an excellent Fincher movie. Of course it's getting a lot of attention.
How in the Fuck did she get off
>Obviously planted original idea of rapist in victims head
>Had direct conflict of interest
>Lied in her deposition under oath
>mfw this guy was actually right all along
Brendan had already made the confession and their was no way to erase it. Had he made a clear testimony against steve and admitted his guilt (even if it didnt exist) he would have got off much lighter than he did
That's not how lawyers work. It would have cost him double, and he blew all his money on the lawyer to begin with.
So you think that the cops can plant all kinds of evidence and compromise lawyers and do whatever the fuck they want and leave no recourse for the citizen?
Please go kill yourself. Even if he did it that kind of shit is inexcusable. And I'd go even further to say that even if he did it he should have gotten 18 years time served off his sentence.
Same way cops get away with EVERYTHING. Conspiracy of silence.
It breaks my heart.
He was a literal agent of the state put there to further the case against Steven. Watch episode 10 again, his accomplice has a mental breakdown about it.
The conspiracy reaches through all levels of the police and the justice system, possibly even Judge Fox aswell.
Unless the creators went to the length of altering/manipulating the video material of Brendans confession then from a legal point of view there's no evidence against Brendan WHATSOEVER.
You do agree that someone can't be convicted of a crime without evidence right?
There is ZRO physical evidence against Brendan. None. And anyone who watched his confession, and knows anything about the probability of false confessions, especially among low IQ suspects would be able to tell. It's PAINFULLY obvious how false his confession was. He tells his mom at one point he was guessing, and that's exactly what he was doing.
And what do they find but a tampered blood vial!
I believe Steven did a crime of passion, used his nephew to kill her so he had plausible deniability (I DINDU NUFFIN) He had a motive against Teresa Halbach
What evidence shows Brendan raped that girl? What evidence shows that she was tied up and raped? There was no blood on the bed. No blood in the garage. No blood anywhere, except for some magic bullet that showed up in the garage with no other blood anywhere else around it. Brendan had nothing to do with the murder. Perhaps Steven did. I don't know. I don't think so, but I can't say for sure. Bur I can say Brendan had no hand in her murder. None. What evidence is there? Other than the obvious coerced confession that should never have been admissible in court. That was it.
In that same transcript he says that the police says he sold crack. Also in the doc you clearly see the lawyer and investigators telling him that he has to tell his mom he did it, over and over again. It's absolutely fucking absurd that every time he calls he opens with "hey mom I did it" then five minutes later, "no I didn't." Those cops must've felt like the FBI guys from that Simpsons ep where Homer is supposed to be Mr. Thompson.
Are you trying to tell me there's physical evidence against Brendan Dassey? Because that's what we're talking about. No, I'm not a lawyer, but theser are the most basic and fundamental parts of law which every citizen should understand.
>No, I'm not a lawyer
>but theser are the most basic and fundamental parts of law which every citizen should understand.
Except you clearly don't understand shit since they didn't walk into court, point a finger at someone, then close the case. There needs to be evidence to convict someone. I'm sorry you doubt the validity of it but that's YOUR problem anon.
So, you can point to me specific pieces of physical evidence? That would be great.
The DA absolutely can and will bring a case against whomever they want if they have the desire to do so. It's up to a judge to deice if there's enough to hold a trial. The judge was obviously in on the deal, so then it's up to a jury of hicks to fuck up interpretation of the law.
There's a few things that just keep bugging me, so any possible explanations would be welcomed
>the deleted voicemails and how Teresa's username and password were "guessed"
>her roomate not reporting her missing for three days
>the ex-boyfriend telling those two women where they should look (on a 40 acre property) and giving them a camera, when none had been used before during the search
>Scott and Bobby providing each other with alibis along with giving the wrong time
>the bones being moved
I think the most plausible scenario is that he did it, got Brendan to help him without him really knowing what was happening and that the police went out of their way to ensure a conviction by planting evidence. But yeah, the ex-boyfriend mainly was really bugging me.
there's that meme again. no one in the history of the US Judicial system has ever been convicted with zero supporting evidence.
>Brendan to help him without him really knowing what was happening
if this was the case, shouldn't he still remain behind bars? he was an accomplice (at the very least) to a murder.
i like you anon, you came to the right conclusion. people saying police did the crime should be put out of their misery lest they end up like brendan.
there is no proof the bones were moved since the other bones were never confirmed to be teresa's.
I simply meant he said to look there because the police told them to. Personally, with no evidence to really back it up, I think the SUV was planted there, no way Steven wouldn't have at least used the crushinator on the car.
>Making a Memer gets more attention to Steve
>He gets out of jail again
>"We all knew he was innocent!"
>Few years later another person goes missing
>All evidence points to him
>"B-but the evidence was planted! He didnt do nuffin!"
>Cop guy with glasses goes on SA property
>Calls in the plates to identify car
>Can't officially report finding the car because violating property
>Give search party the exact location of the car but tell them to say they found it by chance
Wow that was boring as shit compared to The Jinx. 10 episodes of fucking idiots, it was just depressing and way too long. Jinx had the villain being sly, everyone was a character and the twists were more fun as well. It also was made with someone with a fairly neutral interest, unlike this which was obvious pandering by liberals who love criminals more than victims
And that motive was what? To cum a few times and then get a free car?
They found NONE of her DNA in the supposed torture sex room where "she was stabbed, raped, ad choked on his bed," NONE of her DNA in the garage where "she was shot in the head 18 times."
Any evidence they did find was on subsequent searches by proven crooked local cops who shouldn't have been there anyway. The trial was an embarrassment.
Good luck to all of you if you're on trial for a crime you didn't commit and you have this sort of police/prosecutor/judge brotherhood. Which we all do.
I missed the part with the police tipping him off. That makes sense.
I don't think Brendan would've helped with the actual murder, just disposing of her. I think the mutliating corpse charge was correct, but then Steve wasn't found guilty for it which is confusing as fuck.
>Good luck to all of you if you're on trial for a crime you didn't commit and you have this sort of police/prosecutor/judge brotherhood. Which we all do.
he was hard-up and wanted to fuck her, probably killed her by accident then finished the job
dumb broad should've known better than to be around that sort of atmosphere though
did it ever come out what the deleted messages were about?
It was me, Steven.
The author of all your pain.
Side effects of being in a prison for 18 years surrounded by murderers. In addition to this, he was sent here by a woman who acted very sure he was the rapist. He also threatened his aunt (or some relative) with a gun. The guy had reason to hate women.
To be fair anything you argue is pointless since this case is as good as closed and y'all just getting worked up over shit that you'll never be able to fix.
It's literally a waste of time.
If you're dumb enough to listen to anything the cops tell you, agree with them and even sign shit just so you could "go home" you're dumb as dirt and deserve jail time.
Keep your mouth shut, wait for the lawyer and when the lawyer comes in tell him you didn't do shit, period and that's that. If the lawyer is incompetent to literally tell to the court that you didn't do it and starts spazzing out say that the lawyer is not representing you properly and ask for a new one. Most of these lawyers are buddies with the prosecution anyway and are just looking to get a deal going so they can all claim the case is resolved. They'll do anything to keep it from getting complicated which usually means forcing you to play ball with the prosecution.
That's funny. I was watching MaM and my uncle (who is into true crime like me) was like "Yeah! I'm into this" then I showed him The Jinx and he was falling asleep in Ep2. He wanted to hear more about the torso murder, and found the wife murder boring. I don't get it.
If you consider that "confession" evidence then you're dense as a brick wall.
This. It amazes me how easily swayed people can be by an obviously biased documentary made by two liberal dykes pushing their own agenda.
Great rebuttal to his post anon, you sure swayed me. No wait, you didn't, because I'm not an easily swayed mouthbreathing fucktard like you.
>If you consider that "confession" evidence then you're dense as a brick wall.
Says the armchair lawyer who can't get it through his thick skull that if the confession was coerced/irrelevant it wouldn't have been allowed in trial. GUESS FUCKING WHAT IDIOT? IT WAS ALLOWED.
>Ive only posted maybe 4 times out of the 5 years ive been on this site and i literally lurk everyday.
That is some Champion level lurking there, nice. Now please, don't ever fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
You mean the law believes it?
The judge believes it?
The jury believes it?
The WI governor believes it?
The WI supreme court believes it?
The only idiots here are you and the knuckle-draggers who think these guilty fuckers are innocent.
I don't see why being "dumb" or stupid makes you deserve to be wrongly imprisoned. Dumb people didn't choose to be dumb. It's not their fault they're dumb. They were born worse off than you and I, and can't even comprehend how to improve. We should feel sympathy for them. There are plenty of people whose intelligence measures with ours who deserve our contempt.
Like Dassey's fucking lawyer.
The only trolls here are the idiots who believe either of these fuckers are innocent. They were convict by a jury of their peers with supporting evidence. No one with the power to reopen the case is giving this shit the time of day because it is literally cased closed. I honestly feel sorry for you. So much passion for murderers and animal torturers must make you one broken individual.
You guys need to quit responding to it. It just said that believing in something makes you a troll, which is the opposite of what a troll is... because it is a troll.
Fact is some people need to feel superior over others. The investigators had some idea of how slow he was because it wasn't until they got what they needed from him that they told him he was being arrested. Everything about the interrogation felt scummy to watch
>Fact is some people need to feel superior over others.
No kidding. This entire thread is filled with people thinking they know more about the law than the judge, lawyers, and supreme court. They're also expert forensic analysts and can spot bullshit even though they have zero (0) training in doing such.
>he only ran a woman off the road and threatened to kill her with a gun
>he only sexually abused brendan
>he only had domestics with his fiance requiring legal intervention
>he only spoke to other inmates about how he wanted to rape women
but there is no motive or indication that he is anything but an upstanding citizen.
This is what I don't get. I guess I'm too naturally light side. I mean I feel bad going renegade on boiler games, I'm just too pure hearted. I just can't wrap my mind around how those detectives grilled him so hard into that confession. in my mind they had to have believed that Steven was guilty to do that, while all the while knowing Brendan had nothing to do with it, but then to just ruin that poor dumb kids live over it. It's so heartless. It's so cruel.
It took them too long to find what evidence they had planted, they didn't rest steven until AFTER Brendan had "confessed" so apparently they felt they needed that confession, but to put a 16 year old kid through that when they had the blood and the bones and all that, it just fucks my world view up.
If you look closely you can see the exact moment his heart breaks in two
>>he only ran a woman off the road and threatened to kill her with a gun
>>he only sexually abused brendan
>>he only had domestics with his fiance requiring legal intervention
>>he only spoke to other inmates about how he wanted to rape women
I'd want him in my neighborhood!
>they have zero (0) training in doing such.
Isn't the point of a jury not that they have NO training in any of this whatsoever? How are they better qualified to judge than any of us.
In this case no one was crooked or else it would've been declared a mistrial or the trial would be reopened.
The system isn't flawless but if there was a flaw the SUPREME COURT would be looking at the case. And if you think the entire SUPREME COURT is crooked then your conspiracy theory fits perfectly here on 4chan.
>Isn't the point of a jury not that they have NO training in any of this whatsoever?
First, I didn't mention jury at all. You did.
Second, by watching this biased, one-sided documentary you've automatically excluded yourself an a juror.
Yeah, if SA really did it I think they only used his confession to get that one step closer to getting him then Brendon in prison which is sad, cause he was only 16 and these guys just thought he was disposable
It's fucking Wisconsin. The distance between the STATE supreme court and the county court is probably just someone's wife's cousin. And the judge who denied the appeal is the SAME FUCKING JUDGE who tried the case
The whole thing is fucked.
And this is all them just working on the assumption that SA did it. I have to believe that THEY believe he did it, and even if they believe that it doesn't make it true.
Which brings me to Edward Wayne Edwards. His entire MO was to kill people and then frame other people for it. The state putting people away for his murders got him off just as much as the murders themselves.
>watching this biased, one-sided documentary you've automatically excluded yourself an a juror.
Same could be said about the jurors who were all exposed to the media coverage of the case.
I was going to binge this last weekend and had to stop at the fourth episode.
As someone who has a special needs family member I actually had to take a break before watching the rest of the O'Kelly interview.
It's just such a perverse, dishonest miscarriage of justice to conduct what basically is abuse of someone who is, in layman's terms, a dolt. Anyone who knows or has worked with special needs would've recognized his behavior immediately.
That shit was beyond the pale.
Cops are NOT your friends.
they were talking about taking a polygraph test, why not just do that? or waterboard the shit out of them until they confess, they've already lost their rights anyways, then all we finally be revealed and we can all rest easy about this
Can someone explain to me after all this his motive?
He was exonerated of a crime he didn't commit, about to get married and was potentially up for millions of dollars in compensation.
...then he just needed to get his dick wet, violently?
>As someone who has a special needs family member I actually had to take a break before watching the rest of the O'Kelly interview.
Also have a special needs family member, and they're at a little under Brendan's mental capacity. One of the things people don't take into account with people like them is that they don't have down's so they don't have a particular look where you can tell right away. I don't think there was ever a point in Brendan's trial where it was made evident that he had a reduced mental capacity. Along with that initial press conference where other people described his "horrific crimes" his guilt was decided long before he ever set foot in a courtroom, all because he couldn't speak for himself.
OFFICIAL THERESA HALBACH MURDER SUSPECT POWER RANKINGS:
1. Ryan Hillegas
2. Sebastian Berg
3. Scott Tadych & Bobby Dassey
EXTREME AND IN YOUR FACE BUSTED POWER GAP
9000: Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey
9001: Some rando
You act like good ol' Wisconsin is a hotbed of ethics and justice?
In the last ten years nothing good has come from Wisconsin. The place is a cesspool (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/03/19/18227/wisconsin-gets-c-grade-2012-state-integrity-investigation) and Scott Walker is at the helm.
>Ryan "Chopped Her Up Fast" Hillegas
>Ryan "Last One To Hear Her Cryin'" Hillegas
>Ryan "Master of Hog-Tyin'" Hillegas
>Ryan "I'm The Only One Who Knows Steve And Brendan Ain't Lyin'" Hillegas
>Ryan "She Dumped Me So I Raped Her In The Grass" Hillegas
>Ryan "That Password Was a Lucky Guess" Hillegas
>Ryan "The Manitowoc Man of Mutilation" Hillegas
>Ryan "Brought Bacardi to the Search Party" Hillegas
>Ryan "The Auto-Trader Date and Rape Her" Hillegas
>Ryan "Knuckles Made of Brass" Hillegas
>Ryan "Burnin' Bones With A Gallon of Gas" Hillegas
>Ryan "Committing Crimes By The Property Line" Hillegas
>Ryan "Got Sent To Voicemail So I Murdered Her Ass" Hillegas
>Ryan "Dump Me and I Will Dump You (In a Fire Pit)" Hillegas
>Ryan "Me And Mike Halbach Put Her Body In The Trash" Hillegas
>Ryan "The Forceful Johnson of Wisconsin" Hillegas
>Ryan "I'll Pin It On The Nitwit" Hillegas
>Ryan "Gettin' Necrotic Cunny Under the Overpass" Hillegas
>Ryan "Those Scratch Marks On My Hand Are Just From Stray Cats" Hillegas
Butthurt libfag detected.
Walker is awesome. Lemme guess, you are in one of the crony public service unions he laid the smack down to? Did you lose your limousine health care plan and paid weekends off?
Not that I disbelieve you right off the cuff.
I was kind of disheartened at how closely he clinger to Avery and Dassey's guilt, but I guess I chalked it up to that whole thing about wanting to hold someone accountable. Victim's families tend to want to do that.
Just look at the wiki article on Steven Avery.
Or, if you like entertainment just watch Making a Murderer on Netflix. It's true crime at it's best.
>Gov. Scott Walker says he supports dismantling and replacing the state’s independent elections and ethics board, ratcheting up Republicans’ calls for change to a board that helped investigate Walker’s 2012 recall campaign.
>Walker told reporters Monday he wants to scrap the state’s Government Accountability Board, or GAB, which enforces campaign finance, elections, ethics and lobbying laws.
>In its place, Walker said, he supports the creation of “something completely new that is truly accountable to the people of the state of Wisconsin.” Walker left open the possibility that a replacement board could have partisan leadership, compared to the current board, made up of six former judges.
If you want to take this to /pol/ make a thread.
>The examples it cited included "a sentence of fifty years to life under California's three-strikes law for stealing nine videotapes," "a sentence of twenty-five years to life under California's three-strikes law for the theft of three golf clubs," "a forty-year sentence for possession of nine ounces of marijuana with the intent to distribute," and "a life sentence under Texas's recidivist statute for obtaining $120.75 by false pretenses."
>The only trolls here are the idiots who believe either of these fuckers are innocent. They were convict by a jury of their peers with supporting evidence.
It's almost like this happened before to SA and he spent 18 years in prison for something he didn't do.
Two white trash scumbags raped and murdered a woman, two tumblr dykes make an extremely biased documentary about them making it look like the cops framed him and they are innocent, it gets put on Netflix, dumb fucking faggots from here fall for their tumblr dyke bait and start the white trash dindu nuffin internet defense force.
It's a fucking disgusting show of what a pussy and idiot filled dump this place has become in the past few years. Welcome to /tv/mblr.
I have a law degree and I can tell you you have no idea what exactly a lawyer does huh?
I'd love to hear what you think a lawyer is supposed to do.
Protip: they aren't fucking detectives
Is your IQ 70 too? All of your points lead to them being MORE likely to have been involved in the murder. But since the police was all over Avery from the start, they did not even bother interrogating them, losing all chances of following other leads. Hell, they even let them inside the Avery property as part of the "search" when they should have been suspects along with Avery.
>Scott Tadych & Bobby Dassey
im convinced they did it and told brendan to blame it on steven, thats why they were the only family members to testify against him, and why they were missing the entire time of what happened. and they live right next time him so it would be easy to frame him, they got paid by the police
They framed Steved for the first rape, it's proven. Why is it so outrageous they'd frame him again?
BTW there's no physical evidence against the nephew.
FUcKING SPANK YOU.
I think there's like two guys who know what happened, and they've convinced the rest of the cops, the DA, and everyone they're in contact with that Steven is guilty. It's all about the money at this point. I think the majority of the people complicit in this really believe he's guilty.
But that's no excuse for what they did to that poor fucking Dassey kid.
Then explain the blood vial with the hole in it.
Clearly someone tampered with it. There were evidence seals on it that were cut/taped over. It's obvious that someone had access to his blood. The EDTA test was bullshit also.
>don't compact car or drive it off your lot
>but park it 500 feet away from compactor
>don't burn bones in smelter
>but bury them literally behind your residence, several feet from a burn pit
>murder woman and hide her body/car
>but leave her keys inside your home
He may have done it but there are just glaring problems that it seems should be ringing a bell in any good detectives head.
>mfw whenever he's asked a difficult question that might get him in trouble he pretends to start crying over a blue ribbon
Ok so he's retarded but he managed to wipe off ALL his finger prints from the car and not his blood?
and something that sticks with me about him is that the original crimes he did time for, the cat thing, the running his cousin off the road thing. He pled guilty, he did the time. For the original rape he was falsely accused of he could have gotten out of jail early if he had just confessed, he had a wife he loved and 5 kids, but he refused to confess.
He has low IQ, he made a lot of mistakes, but I could never have stayed in jail like that. I only have 2 kids. If it meant confessing to a crime I didn't commit.... I don't know how long I could hold out. I don't know if I could maintain my innocence How many of us, even of higher intelligence could, or would?
If he'd plead guilty to Halbach's murder he's probably have gotten a shorter sentence, but he won't. Tis guy is not super bright. He makes a lot os stupid shitty choices. He's white trash. I mean he wore a stained T-shirt and Stained jean SHORTS to a press conference with the fucking governor. But he has this steadfast integrity that I really admire.
And yet he managed to clean up and avoid all the evidence that should've been there (excessive blood splatter, additional bullet fragments, wounds from the victim fighting back, fingerprints on the vehicle, etc.)?
I only see two possibilities:
SA did it and the cops/killer, planted evidence.
SA didn't do it and the cops/killer, planted evidence.
The idea that he cleaned all that DNA from his home and etc, but then just left the bones near his home. If he knew about DNA, not just visible blood, but DNA, why leave the bones there?
You literally just said that if a jury decides you're guilty then that's evidence that you're guilty.
Are you mentally retarded?
>I have a law degree and I can tell you you have no idea what exactly a lawyer does huh?
Nice post explaining what you do.
Nice post proving you actually have a law degree despite the high school grammar.
> But he has this steadfast integrity
He reminds me of the homeless guy who returned the engagement ring some woman accidentally gave him.
Class and wealth might keep you out of prison but at least integrity is priceless.
And by priceless I mean it's literally worth nothing and will get you no where in life. Lie, cheat and steal, senpai. The struggle is real.
Same/tv/mblrkek. Stay a fucking lemming that believes anything a shitty documentary tells you.
>Not being an idiot that believes any bullshit fed to me by a TV show makes me /pol/
Guess I'm /pol/ then.
>Boyfriend shot and killed her
>burned her body
>deleted voicemails off her cellphone that incriminated him
>decided to frame Steven and dumped what was left of her bones in Steven's lot
>cops took the chance to plant some evidence to further his guilt because they knew they purposely fucked him in the rape case
>you will never marry a qt level-headed scrappy lawyer and crack cases together defending the innocent
Even if they aren't guilty they belong in prison off the streets and unable to further destroy the gene pool. You are hurting humanity by making excuses for subhumans like this and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I feel like because it was 2005 and there were so many fucking old people involved in the case that just being able to magically guess someone's password AND username is seen as being perfectly normal and not at all suspicious.
Also seriously what the fuck is up with her brother I have a sister and I know I'd be completely inconsolable if she'd been missing for three fucking days and wouldn't be able to give creepy interviews with news crews casually talking about her in the past tense.
HI AVERY FAMILY MEMBERS! How many criminal acts such as molesting your own family members have you committed today? Remember when Brendan told his mom about Steven molesting him and other family members during that phone call he didn't know was being recorded? These are the people you are making excuses for and saying should be let out of prison. I'm guessing it's because you are pedophile child molesters and thieves yourselves. Enjoy prison.
Yeah it seemed that the brother was acting a little creepy. Showed little to no emotion that his beloved sister was dead. He probably helped the boyfriend in some way.
Her roommate was also strange. Not reporting her disappearance until four or five days later is odd.
The cops were the ones who were going to look most bad and possibly lose jobs or even end up facing criminal charges over there failure to follow up evidence that could have freed Steve earlier in his original trial. They have a strong mental motive to believe he was really a murdering rapist all along and therefore they didn't keep an innocent man in jail.
The ex boyfriend admitted to accessing Theresas voicemail, and some messages had been deleted. Normally he and he roommate would be prime suspects and should not have been allowed anywhere near the search.
The Avery cousins could have done it, there was inconsistancies in their accounts, don't really know about these two, again it seems like the police didn't really have any theory other than 'it was Steve' and thats not how its supposed to work.
The brother? Sure he could have done it, his voicemail admission is the only suspicious part, but i found his conviction of the Averys being guilty understandable. Your sister gets brutally murdered you at least want to think someone is paying for it. But again, doesn't look like the police even looked for anyone other than Steve
>I have a sister
This is the big thing that gives me chills about her brother.
He's so focused on Steve Avery and Brendon Dassey. He shows up to every press conference, every hearing, every interview, etc. and relentlessly suspects them and no one else.
If my sister was the victim I'd be a fucking wreck, would constantly be on the police to look at every corner, and would keep the press, and world, out of the life of me and my family so we could grieve.
>The cops were the ones who were going to look most bad and possibly lose jobs or even end up facing criminal charges over there failure to follow up evidence that could have freed Steve earlier in his original trial.
Statute of limitations
The solution to the case is in the voicemails that were deleted by her boyfriend and brother.
>Your sister gets brutally murdered you at least want to think someone is paying for it.
Guy with sister again.
I'd be concerned the RIGHT person was paying for it so she gets justice and it wouldn't happen to anyone else.
I can't imagine I could sit through that trial and hear the things presented and still hold the level of conviction her brother did.
But I'm not him nor thankfully deal with such a tragedy so maybe I would've reacted differently. I'd like to hope I'd still retain my logic even in duress, however.
People in this thread are a perfect example of why modern jurors don't mean shit. Your average person today is too fucking stupid to put any pieces together and will convict off of how they feel.
It's interesting to compare this case to the Memphis 3. Over time the families came around to the idea that the convicts were innocent while those that prosecuted them and some jurors remained steadfast in their conviction.
Here the family and friends of the deceased don't even want to entertain the notion that the person prosecuted might be innocent although it's worth noticing that the evidence (or lack thereof) in both cases was very different.
The guy saying damn the Avery family for being white trash child molesters sounds like those who cried satanic cult during the Memphis 3 case though.
>average person today
The average person since the inception of this country you mean?
The electoral college exists for a reason.
Also, studies have shown that 80% of jury verdicts correspond with the trial judge's opinion so they're still not far off...
>tfw your son gets locked up in prison for 18 years for something he never did
> OJ and Casey Anthony
The Avery family was a podunk bunch of inbreds from some backwater, shit county in Wisconsin. The only reason Avery even got such a compelling defense is because he had the money from the settlement.
Also, the MSM fucks up reasonable doubt for everyone.
Cosby is TECHNICALLY still innocent. But I believe he probably did it. Because for the last two years all I've been hearing ad nausea is all the evidence in the court of public opinion.
>tfw you will never fall victim to the farce that is the American Justice System
>tfw some fat fuck from /tv/ in a jury will never send you down just because you're white trash
God damn this was like watching a comedy at times
>Ken 'The Prize' Pratz
>My client doesn't even own underwear!
>That god damn son of a bitch judge!
>I have a project due at 1:29
>Delores looks and acts like Mac's mom from It's Always Sunny
>I'm gonna miss Wrestlemania
>What does inconsistent mean? ... I don't know
>Angenette Levy: Levy, a journalist who garnered a lot of "Making A Murderer" playback attention for asking the tough questions, is now an on-air reporter for WKRC in Cincinnati.
The internet is being mean again.
Some anon claims that when fresh the vial is fully sealed to prevent contamination, the hole is from putting the blood in it.
That doesn't change the fact that the evidence seal was broken, and that the could have just opened the vial fully.
>Some anon claims that when fresh the vial is fully sealed to prevent contamination, the hole is from putting the blood in it.
Some labs do that but iirc the lawyers asked the lab if they do it that way the lab said they didn't.
That info was taken from 2009 when his appeal was and they were listed as potential other suspects they should have looked into.
>Also did they search for blood in their house. Is it possible to now?
Why would they? They believed they had gotten their guy already.
he was falsely sent to prison by a women accusing him of rape, while inside a women took his family away and sent him taunting letters.
dude is guilty, but I don't think he'd have been in a great mood while in prison desu
No Her brother is #5 here
He seems like an accessory after the fact. Her brother was the one in every interview that wanted Brendan to just confess.
The fishiest was when the ex-prison guard now cop called in the licences plate and make of the car. Before it was supposedly discovered.
I've only seen the first four episodes so far but it's very similar to Serial. Here's my understanding:
As far as anyone knows, Teresa Halbach was last seen at the Avery salvage yard
Her car was found there
It's fairly obvious that the police planted evidence to put Steven Avery away. They had been humiliated by his release and impending civil suit so they had good reason to get rid of him.
That's the problem. Nobody who watched the documentary saw his confession. Only bits and pieces of it. It was over a hour long.
Besides, they found Avery's DNA in the truck of the RAV4 which was left out of the documentary. Plus he was stalking the photographer chick. Also left out.
Her called her 3 times, on the day which she was coming to his property. Seems a bit of a stretch to call that stalking
>inb4 muh towel!
How he answers the door once is completely irrelevant.
I don't think there's a single memory of that family with an IQ above 70 or so. Steven Avery's mental faculties are probably roughly that of a 17 year old. He probably didn't understand why she was creeped out by the towel thing.
>I don't think there's a single memory of that family with an IQ above 70 or so. Steven Avery's mental faculties are probably roughly that of a 17 year old. He probably didn't understand why she was creeped out by the towel thing.
He does seem a like a harmless kid, but he did burn a cat alive. There might be violence flashes he has.
True. So of course it boils down to why the fuck would he risk murdering someone after being released from his 18 false imprisonment and had an impending major civil suit against the sheriff's department? Unless he had one of his "episodes" and just couldn't control himself.
To add to this, it's pretty blatant that there was a lot of police corruption involved in this regardless of whether he did it. Specifically the car key and blood found in the car were pretty blatantly planted.
I felt so fucking bad for Brendan. When he said he lost weight because he thought his ex-gf dumped him for being fat...all the stuff about him playing PS2 and needing to do a project...and him saying he just wanted to go home...not even going to lie I teared up a little bit. It reminded me of myself in high school.
Say what you want about Steve Avery but the State convicted an innocent and mentally impaired basically autistic teenager with no evidence.
The way media plays with public opinion is probably the scariest part. There was no reason why would the media portray Steven as they did. This was no political issue or anything where the media might have a bias.
> Even Satan himself would not accept your through the fiery gates of hell
Toppest of keks holy shit.
Honestly the key MUST have been planted.
There's no way even a legitimate retard like Steven fucking just left it on the floor when knowing the popo were coming to search his place eventually (but at the same time was smart enough to wipe down his home + the garage completely leaving no traces of DNA)
Media is just selling stuff and as long as believe keep eating it up they'll continue it.
The key also only had DNA of him and none of Teresa's which she owned for years.
This is my problem with trying to have any discussion on /tv/. You couldn't possibly be oversimplifying this more.
It's really not possible to portray Steve Avery and most of his family as "good" people. However, what I took away from the documentary is how difficult it is in the US for uneducated, poor people to receive fair treatment in the justice system and how easy it is for local law enforcement to get away with corruption and collusion.
Where are the finger prints?
Where is the pool of blood or blood splatter?
Where are the fight marks in Steven's hand?
How fresh was his cut on his finger?
Why was there 3 burn piles?
What's his motive?