Making a Murderer Wrestlemania Edition

Why diddnt Steve share his jew lawyers with his nephew?

What reason would Steve have had to kill that girl anyway?

>>64538935
Because he was a violent predator conditioned by 18 years in the can with other violent predators
And he probably raped her and saw no other options but to kill her

>>64537808
>>64538881
>>64538935
>>64538997
yeah

>>64537808
What, cops don't take advantage of retards in your country?

>>64538881
His nephew was against him with his confession that came out of the blue

>>64539018
yeah?

>>64537808
I'm out of the loop. Who is this?

>>64537808

I'm really getting tired of the fucking viral marketing thread for this shit series.

>>64539755
A good boy

>>64539086
No. They also don't have their hand constantly on their gun holster when they pull you over for a traffic control.

Imagine you're doing a job where you can be shot by literally anyone at any second. I'd get frustrated too and start rounding up people who I think did something wrong.

>>64537808
I have no idea who this is
how is it related to /tv/?

>>64539819
Its a show

>>64539770

It's the most bizarre court case I can even think of including the most ridiculous plotlines from Special Victims Unit.
It would make an excellent Fincher movie. Of course it's getting a lot of attention.

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>I'll try coercing, that's a good trick

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>>64537808
NOW BE HONEST...

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How in the Fuck did she get off

>Obviously planted original idea of rapist in victims head
>Had direct conflict of interest
>Lied in her deposition under oath

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>>64539953
>mfw this guy was actually right all along
Brendan had already made the confession and their was no way to erase it. Had he made a clear testimony against steve and admitted his guilt (even if it didnt exist) he would have got off much lighter than he did

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Brendan

Brendan, be honest

RIP Whiskers, the fallen friendly family feline who was soaked in kerosene and subsequently burned to death by the man with "no history of violence"

>>64538881
That's not how lawyers work. It would have cost him double, and he blew all his money on the lawyer to begin with.
So you think that the cops can plant all kinds of evidence and compromise lawyers and do whatever the fuck they want and leave no recourse for the citizen?
Please go kill yourself. Even if he did it that kind of shit is inexcusable. And I'd go even further to say that even if he did it he should have gotten 18 years time served off his sentence.
>>64541123
Same way cops get away with EVERYTHING. Conspiracy of silence.
>>64541224
It breaks my heart.

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Brendon

Brendon

>>64541123
>MOM'S GONNA FREAK!

>not even the Supreme Court will give this shitshow time

Yet here you morons are.

>>64541172
He was a literal agent of the state put there to further the case against Steven. Watch episode 10 again, his accomplice has a mental breakdown about it.

The conspiracy reaches through all levels of the police and the justice system, possibly even Judge Fox aswell.

>>64538997

This

I think Brendan was telling the truth. I think Steven counted on the police planting evidence

He raped her then got rid of her then realized he fucked up

>>64541345
Unless the creators went to the length of altering/manipulating the video material of Brendans confession then from a legal point of view there's no evidence against Brendan WHATSOEVER.

You do agree that someone can't be convicted of a crime without evidence right?

>>64541494
>think Steven counted on the police planting evidence

Was getting caught part of his plan?

>>64541501
>there's no evidence

Wow.

>>64541345
>dumbass neet who has no idea how the justice system works

>>64541552

Pot
Kettle

>>64541501

In the transcript brendan was molested by Steve

There was also an incident with Teresa that didn't make it into the film because it was too inflammatory

>>64541542
There is ZRO physical evidence against Brendan. None. And anyone who watched his confession, and knows anything about the probability of false confessions, especially among low IQ suspects would be able to tell. It's PAINFULLY obvious how false his confession was. He tells his mom at one point he was guessing, and that's exactly what he was doing.

>>64541501
> there's no evidence against Brendan WHATSOEVER

Go look at what the prosecution brought to the table against him. Fair warning: it's evidence.

>>64541525

And what do they find but a tampered blood vial!

I believe Steven did a crime of passion, used his nephew to kill her so he had plausible deniability (I DINDU NUFFIN) He had a motive against Teresa Halbach

>>64541542
What evidence shows Brendan raped that girl? What evidence shows that she was tied up and raped? There was no blood on the bed. No blood in the garage. No blood anywhere, except for some magic bullet that showed up in the garage with no other blood anywhere else around it. Brendan had nothing to do with the murder. Perhaps Steven did. I don't know. I don't think so, but I can't say for sure. Bur I can say Brendan had no hand in her murder. None. What evidence is there? Other than the obvious coerced confession that should never have been admissible in court. That was it.

>>64541620

Are you a lawyer?

Do you have a law degree at least?

>>64541622
>>64541657
There wasn't one piece of physical evidence against him. Not one. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand what physical evidence is.

>>64541645

Steven molested him before.

Only he and Avery know what happened that night

>>64541698

So you're not a lawyer?
You have no history of practicing law, and no real experience in identifying evidence?

>>64537808
Every country has miscarriages of justice, kid.

You just don't haven't heard of them.

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>>64541585
In that same transcript he says that the police says he sold crack. Also in the doc you clearly see the lawyer and investigators telling him that he has to tell his mom he did it, over and over again. It's absolutely fucking absurd that every time he calls he opens with "hey mom I did it" then five minutes later, "no I didn't." Those cops must've felt like the FBI guys from that Simpsons ep where Homer is supposed to be Mr. Thompson.

>>64541727
Are you trying to tell me there's physical evidence against Brendan Dassey? Because that's what we're talking about. No, I'm not a lawyer, but theser are the most basic and fundamental parts of law which every citizen should understand.

>Walker will not grant pardon
>Supreme Court won't examine the case
>US Supreme Court isn't saying anything

So these guys are fucked yes?

>>64541797
>No, I'm not a lawyer

THANK YOU.

>but theser are the most basic and fundamental parts of law which every citizen should understand.

Except you clearly don't understand shit since they didn't walk into court, point a finger at someone, then close the case. There needs to be evidence to convict someone. I'm sorry you doubt the validity of it but that's YOUR problem anon.

can someone greentext whatever the fuck this is

>>64541864
>brendan missed Wrestlemania

There, did it

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>>64537808

>>64541841
So, you can point to me specific pieces of physical evidence? That would be great.

The DA absolutely can and will bring a case against whomever they want if they have the desire to do so. It's up to a judge to deice if there's enough to hold a trial. The judge was obviously in on the deal, so then it's up to a jury of hicks to fuck up interpretation of the law.

>>64541887

I don't get why you're so keen on physical evidence when there was sufficient evidence to convict; a conviction by his peers.

This is a problem in your mind I cannot argue anon.

>>64541884
poor guy, Len's investigator seems like he might be traumatised from the crime.

>>64541931
I would be scared of being tried by a jury of my peers, just saying. Average americans scare me.

>>64541803
Yeah?

>>64541984
>Yeah?

No need to be a cunt. Are they fucked or is there another way for them to get justice?

>>64542008

Yeah.

There's a few things that just keep bugging me, so any possible explanations would be welcomed

>the deleted voicemails and how Teresa's username and password were "guessed"
>her roomate not reporting her missing for three days
>the ex-boyfriend telling those two women where they should look (on a 40 acre property) and giving them a camera, when none had been used before during the search
>Scott and Bobby providing each other with alibis along with giving the wrong time
>the bones being moved

I think the most plausible scenario is that he did it, got Brendan to help him without him really knowing what was happening and that the police went out of their way to ensure a conviction by planting evidence. But yeah, the ex-boyfriend mainly was really bugging me.

>>64542037
>ex-boyfriend telling them to look on Avery's land
Because the police were telling the family it was Steven all along, I'm sure. Just like in the original rape case.

>>64541931
>Sufficient evidence to convict
What scares me is that ZERO EVIDENCE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVICT.

>>64538997
Why would he rape her when he could have sex whenever he wanted with Milky Tits Jodie?

>>64539770
Shut the fuck up and go make another TFA thread you meme loving cuck

>>64542093
>Zero evidence

No.

>>64542078

But on that entire property, he told them to start off by looking in that side road where the car was. It's seems way more than just dumb luck.

>>64537808
We have first world money and 3rd world justice.

>>64542093
>ZERO EVIDENCE

there's that meme again. no one in the history of the US Judicial system has ever been convicted with zero supporting evidence.

>>64542037
>Brendan to help him without him really knowing what was happening

if this was the case, shouldn't he still remain behind bars? he was an accomplice (at the very least) to a murder.

>>64542037
i like you anon, you came to the right conclusion. people saying police did the crime should be put out of their misery lest they end up like brendan.

there is no proof the bones were moved since the other bones were never confirmed to be teresa's.

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>mfw i get away with murder

>>64542124
I simply meant he said to look there because the police told them to. Personally, with no evidence to really back it up, I think the SUV was planted there, no way Steven wouldn't have at least used the crushinator on the car.

>>64542115
You still haven't given me any.
>>64542139
I said very physical evidence.
The only other evidence they had against Brendan was his confession, which was such transparent bullshit.

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>Making a Memer gets more attention to Steve
>He gets out of jail again
>"We all knew he was innocent!"
>Few years later another person goes missing
>All evidence points to him
>"B-but the evidence was planted! He didnt do nuffin!"

>>64542115
Name one piece of evidence aside from coerced confession. I'll wait.

>>64542147
Him and Bobby and the other. They knew Steven would go down.

>>64542168
>I said very physical evidence.
nope
>>What scares me is that ZERO EVIDENCE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVICT.

>>64542124
>Cop guy with glasses goes on SA property
>Calls in the plates to identify car
>Can't officially report finding the car because violating property
>Give search party the exact location of the car but tell them to say they found it by chance

>>64542180
>coerced confession

SAYS YOU. AND YOU'RE A FUCKING ARMCHAIR LAWYER WITH NO CREDIBILITY.

>>64542221
>CREDIBILITY.
I didn't see any of that in the doc, tbqh.

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Wow that was boring as shit compared to The Jinx. 10 episodes of fucking idiots, it was just depressing and way too long. Jinx had the villain being sly, everyone was a character and the twists were more fun as well. It also was made with someone with a fairly neutral interest, unlike this which was obvious pandering by liberals who love criminals more than victims

>>64542008
They're completely fucked. The best they can hope for is an appeal or get cleared from "new evidence" 30 years down the road.

>>64542180
last place she was seen was by a perverted ex-con

circumstantial evidence is still evidence

>>64542252
>doc
You mean One-Sided Reporting: The Series with a biased narrative.

>>64541628

And that motive was what? To cum a few times and then get a free car?

They found NONE of her DNA in the supposed torture sex room where "she was stabbed, raped, ad choked on his bed," NONE of her DNA in the garage where "she was shot in the head 18 times."

Any evidence they did find was on subsequent searches by proven crooked local cops who shouldn't have been there anyway. The trial was an embarrassment.

Good luck to all of you if you're on trial for a crime you didn't commit and you have this sort of police/prosecutor/judge brotherhood. Which we all do.

>>64542148
>>64542210
I missed the part with the police tipping him off. That makes sense.

>>64542139
I don't think Brendan would've helped with the actual murder, just disposing of her. I think the mutliating corpse charge was correct, but then Steve wasn't found guilty for it which is confusing as fuck.

>>64542256

What I don't understand is why this moron would kill someone knowing the absolute hell prison is. It fucking boggles my mind how shortsighted his actions were.

>>64542290

Edit: shot in the head 8 times*

>i AM sorry for murdering that lady
>i AM NOT sorry for murdering that lady

pick one

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>>64542290
>Good luck to all of you if you're on trial for a crime you didn't commit and you have this sort of police/prosecutor/judge brotherhood. Which we all do.

>>64542290
>proven crooked local cops

If they were proven crooked they'd be thrown off the force and every case they worked would be open to appeals.

>gullible idiots hoodwinked by biased tv show

the tard did it and deserves to be locked up

>>64542343

idiot

>>64542313
he was hard-up and wanted to fuck her, probably killed her by accident then finished the job

dumb broad should've known better than to be around that sort of atmosphere though

did it ever come out what the deleted messages were about?

>>64542343

Alright lads you heard the man pack it up

>>64542361
Yes, they were incriminating voicemails the ex-boyfriend left where he said he would kill her.

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It was me, Steven.

The author of all your pain.

>>64542334
Fuck that shit. Nothing scares me more than seeing a compass on a retard.

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>>64542313
Side effects of being in a prison for 18 years surrounded by murderers. In addition to this, he was sent here by a woman who acted very sure he was the rapist. He also threatened his aunt (or some relative) with a gun. The guy had reason to hate women.

>>64542372

To be fair anything you argue is pointless since this case is as good as closed and y'all just getting worked up over shit that you'll never be able to fix.

It's literally a waste of time.

If you're dumb enough to listen to anything the cops tell you, agree with them and even sign shit just so you could "go home" you're dumb as dirt and deserve jail time.

Keep your mouth shut, wait for the lawyer and when the lawyer comes in tell him you didn't do shit, period and that's that. If the lawyer is incompetent to literally tell to the court that you didn't do it and starts spazzing out say that the lawyer is not representing you properly and ask for a new one. Most of these lawyers are buddies with the prosecution anyway and are just looking to get a deal going so they can all claim the case is resolved. They'll do anything to keep it from getting complicated which usually means forcing you to play ball with the prosecution.

>>64542255
That's funny. I was watching MaM and my uncle (who is into true crime like me) was like "Yeah! I'm into this" then I showed him The Jinx and he was falling asleep in Ep2. He wanted to hear more about the torso murder, and found the wife murder boring. I don't get it.
>>64542200
If you consider that "confession" evidence then you're dense as a brick wall.

>>64542343
This. It amazes me how easily swayed people can be by an obviously biased documentary made by two liberal dykes pushing their own agenda.

>>64542356
Great rebuttal to his post anon, you sure swayed me. No wait, you didn't, because I'm not an easily swayed mouthbreathing fucktard like you.

>>64542361
You watch too much TV. I bet you have shit taste in movies.

>>64542416
>If you consider that "confession" evidence then you're dense as a brick wall.

Says the armchair lawyer who can't get it through his thick skull that if the confession was coerced/irrelevant it wouldn't have been allowed in trial. GUESS FUCKING WHAT IDIOT? IT WAS ALLOWED.

>>64542392

Ive only posted maybe 4 times out of the 5 years ive been on this site and i literally lurk everyday. I seriously keked hard and i know i shouldnt have

http://coldcasecameron.com/killers-timeline/2000-2011/

Don't worry guys. I figured it out. Edward Wayne Edwrds did it.

>>64537808
No one cares about your country. Keep obsessing.

>>64542458
>law represents reality

Probably bait but I know there are idiots that believe this shit.

>>64542415
did jury duty a few months back and this is the impression i got.
at some point the judge straight up said he could do the shit himself and didn't need us but muh merica

>>64542504
I stopped replying. It's got to be a troll or an employee of Maitowac County.

>>64542471
>Ive only posted maybe 4 times out of the 5 years ive been on this site and i literally lurk everyday.
That is some Champion level lurking there, nice. Now please, don't ever fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

>>64542504

You mean the law believes it?
The judge believes it?
The jury believes it?
The WI governor believes it?
The WI supreme court believes it?

The only idiots here are you and the knuckle-draggers who think these guilty fuckers are innocent.

>>64542554
You're not me.

>>64542415
I don't see why being "dumb" or stupid makes you deserve to be wrongly imprisoned. Dumb people didn't choose to be dumb. It's not their fault they're dumb. They were born worse off than you and I, and can't even comprehend how to improve. We should feel sympathy for them. There are plenty of people whose intelligence measures with ours who deserve our contempt.

Like Dassey's fucking lawyer.

>>64542437
I bet you're shit at being a psychic you fucking faggot

>>64542522
>troll

The only trolls here are the idiots who believe either of these fuckers are innocent. They were convict by a jury of their peers with supporting evidence. No one with the power to reopen the case is giving this shit the time of day because it is literally cased closed. I honestly feel sorry for you. So much passion for murderers and animal torturers must make you one broken individual.

>>64542605
You sound like a real Prize.

>>64542605
This guy gets it.

>>64542605
Kratz pls.

Don't you have domestic abuse survivors to sexually harass?

>>64542669

You're the fuckers showing support for a murderer and animal abuser.


FOR FUCKS SAKE HE SOAKED HIS FAMILY'S CAT IN KEROSENE AND SET IT ON FIRE.

>>64542626
>>64542654
>>64542669
You guys need to quit responding to it. It just said that believing in something makes you a troll, which is the opposite of what a troll is... because it is a troll.

normies been posting about this show quite a lot. why? its a shit story lol

>>64542578
Fact is some people need to feel superior over others. The investigators had some idea of how slow he was because it wasn't until they got what they needed from him that they told him he was being arrested. Everything about the interrogation felt scummy to watch

>>64542731
>it goes against my objective here so it's a troll

Classic shitposting anon.
Literally classic.

>>64542745
>Fact is some people need to feel superior over others.

No kidding. This entire thread is filled with people thinking they know more about the law than the judge, lawyers, and supreme court. They're also expert forensic analysts and can spot bullshit even though they have zero (0) training in doing such.

>>64542255
Nah MaM is way better. Jaracki putting himself into the show was obnoxious as fuck.

>>64542697
>he only ran a woman off the road and threatened to kill her with a gun
>he only sexually abused brendan
>he only had domestics with his fiance requiring legal intervention
>he only spoke to other inmates about how he wanted to rape women
but there is no motive or indication that he is anything but an upstanding citizen.

>>64542745
This is what I don't get. I guess I'm too naturally light side. I mean I feel bad going renegade on boiler games, I'm just too pure hearted. I just can't wrap my mind around how those detectives grilled him so hard into that confession. in my mind they had to have believed that Steven was guilty to do that, while all the while knowing Brendan had nothing to do with it, but then to just ruin that poor dumb kids live over it. It's so heartless. It's so cruel.

It took them too long to find what evidence they had planted, they didn't rest steven until AFTER Brendan had "confessed" so apparently they felt they needed that confession, but to put a 16 year old kid through that when they had the blood and the bones and all that, it just fucks my world view up.

>>64542790
>This entire thread is filled with people thinking they know more about the law than the judge, lawyers, and supreme court.
Welcome post-/pol/ 4chan.

>>64542810
Why did he seem so... slimey?

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If you look closely you can see the exact moment his heart breaks in two

>>64542817
>he only spoke to other inmates about how he wanted to rape women
This comes up now and again. Who actually said this and when?

>>64542790
>There's no such thing as a crooked cop, judge or lawyer
>The system is flawless
>Hi! I'm white!

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>>64542817
>>he only ran a woman off the road and threatened to kill her with a gun
>>he only sexually abused brendan
>>he only had domestics with his fiance requiring legal intervention
>>he only spoke to other inmates about how he wanted to rape women

I'd want him in my neighborhood!

>>64542790
>they have zero (0) training in doing such.
Isn't the point of a jury not that they have NO training in any of this whatsoever? How are they better qualified to judge than any of us.

>>64542863

In this case no one was crooked or else it would've been declared a mistrial or the trial would be reopened.
The system isn't flawless but if there was a flaw the SUPREME COURT would be looking at the case. And if you think the entire SUPREME COURT is crooked then your conspiracy theory fits perfectly here on 4chan.

>>64542810
it was honest, the makers of this put themselves in it but hid being impartiality while leaving using manipulative editing and music

>>64542907
>Isn't the point of a jury not that they have NO training in any of this whatsoever?

First, I didn't mention jury at all. You did.

Second, by watching this biased, one-sided documentary you've automatically excluded yourself an a juror.

>>64542818
Yeah, if SA really did it I think they only used his confession to get that one step closer to getting him then Brendon in prison which is sad, cause he was only 16 and these guys just thought he was disposable

>taking out the inbreds and low lifes

if only blacks did this in their own community

>>64542912
It's fucking Wisconsin. The distance between the STATE supreme court and the county court is probably just someone's wife's cousin. And the judge who denied the appeal is the SAME FUCKING JUDGE who tried the case
The whole thing is fucked.
>>64542933
And this is all them just working on the assumption that SA did it. I have to believe that THEY believe he did it, and even if they believe that it doesn't make it true.
Which brings me to Edward Wayne Edwards. His entire MO was to kill people and then frame other people for it. The state putting people away for his murders got him off just as much as the murders themselves.

>>64542931
>watching this biased, one-sided documentary you've automatically excluded yourself an a juror.
Same could be said about the jurors who were all exposed to the media coverage of the case.

>>64537808
I was going to binge this last weekend and had to stop at the fourth episode.

As someone who has a special needs family member I actually had to take a break before watching the rest of the O'Kelly interview.

It's just such a perverse, dishonest miscarriage of justice to conduct what basically is abuse of someone who is, in layman's terms, a dolt. Anyone who knows or has worked with special needs would've recognized his behavior immediately.

That shit was beyond the pale.

Cops are NOT your friends.

>>64542999
don't forget his female cousin who also "just made it up" despite not being slow

>>64539770
>viraling
>newfag getting mad about /tv/ talking about docus

I'd drop you the rec list but I'd prefer if you just lurk and shut the fuck up, m8.

they were talking about taking a polygraph test, why not just do that? or waterboard the shit out of them until they confess, they've already lost their rights anyways, then all we finally be revealed and we can all rest easy about this

>>64543039
I attribute that to "bitches and whores".

Like the woman who got the whole thing rolling in the 80s because of the roadside confrontation.

>>64543061
there was no proof it was the other guy

Can someone explain to me after all this his motive?

He was exonerated of a crime he didn't commit, about to get married and was potentially up for millions of dollars in compensation.

...then he just needed to get his dick wet, violently?

>>64543056
>polygraph test
>accurate

There are not admissible in court.

>>64542999
>As someone who has a special needs family member I actually had to take a break before watching the rest of the O'Kelly interview.

Also have a special needs family member, and they're at a little under Brendan's mental capacity. One of the things people don't take into account with people like them is that they don't have down's so they don't have a particular look where you can tell right away. I don't think there was ever a point in Brendan's trial where it was made evident that he had a reduced mental capacity. Along with that initial press conference where other people described his "horrific crimes" his guilt was decided long before he ever set foot in a courtroom, all because he couldn't speak for himself.

OFFICIAL THERESA HALBACH MURDER SUSPECT POWER RANKINGS:

1. Ryan Hillegas
2. Sebastian Berg
3. Scott Tadych & Bobby Dassey

EXTREME AND IN YOUR FACE BUSTED POWER GAP

9000: Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey
9001: Some rando

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/evidence-s-missing-making-murderer-article-1.2485213

>>64543182
Most of that isn't actual evidence of the crime lol

>>64542565
You act like good ol' Wisconsin is a hotbed of ethics and justice?

In the last ten years nothing good has come from Wisconsin. The place is a cesspool (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/03/19/18227/wisconsin-gets-c-grade-2012-state-integrity-investigation) and Scott Walker is at the helm.

>>64543207
>tfw based Scott Walker (musician) has to share his name with the other Scott Walker

I don't come to /tv/ much (main board is /g/), but what the fuck is going on? Someone spoonfeed me please.

>>64542845
I feel bad for laughing but I would do it again.

>>64542147
>Ryan "Chopped Her Up Fast" Hillegas
>Ryan "Last One To Hear Her Cryin'" Hillegas
>Ryan "Master of Hog-Tyin'" Hillegas
>Ryan "I'm The Only One Who Knows Steve And Brendan Ain't Lyin'" Hillegas
>Ryan "She Dumped Me So I Raped Her In The Grass" Hillegas
>Ryan "That Password Was a Lucky Guess" Hillegas
>Ryan "The Manitowoc Man of Mutilation" Hillegas
>Ryan "Brought Bacardi to the Search Party" Hillegas
>Ryan "The Auto-Trader Date and Rape Her" Hillegas
>Ryan "Knuckles Made of Brass" Hillegas
>Ryan "Burnin' Bones With A Gallon of Gas" Hillegas
>Ryan "Committing Crimes By The Property Line" Hillegas
>Ryan "Got Sent To Voicemail So I Murdered Her Ass" Hillegas
>Ryan "Dump Me and I Will Dump You (In a Fire Pit)" Hillegas
>Ryan "Me And Mike Halbach Put Her Body In The Trash" Hillegas
>Ryan "The Forceful Johnson of Wisconsin" Hillegas
>Ryan "I'll Pin It On The Nitwit" Hillegas
>Ryan "Gettin' Necrotic Cunny Under the Overpass" Hillegas
>Ryan "Those Scratch Marks On My Hand Are Just From Stray Cats" Hillegas

>>64543207
Butthurt libfag detected.
Walker is awesome. Lemme guess, you are in one of the crony public service unions he laid the smack down to? Did you lose your limousine health care plan and paid weekends off?

I think Teresa Halbach's brother did it.

There, I said it.

>>64543253
pls respond.

>>64543153
>Along with that initial press conference where other people described his "horrific crimes"

I don't think the media is getting enough shit for this, tbqr la familia.

>>64543144
And yet the EDTA test was allowed.

>>64543253
>>64543309

Innocent gets locked up for 18 years. Then goes back to jail for something he may or may not have done.

Making A Murderer is a documentary about it.

>>64543296
Any evidence?
Not that I disbelieve you right off the cuff.
I was kind of disheartened at how closely he clinger to Avery and Dassey's guilt, but I guess I chalked it up to that whole thing about wanting to hold someone accountable. Victim's families tend to want to do that.
>>64543309
Just look at the wiki article on Steven Avery.
Or, if you like entertainment just watch Making a Murderer on Netflix. It's true crime at it's best.

>>64543347
Well how do we know he's innocent? I have no fucking clue what's going on.

>>64543363
Cleared by DNA evidence.

>>64543293
>implying
>Gov. Scott Walker says he supports dismantling and replacing the state’s independent elections and ethics board, ratcheting up Republicans’ calls for change to a board that helped investigate Walker’s 2012 recall campaign.

>Walker told reporters Monday he wants to scrap the state’s Government Accountability Board, or GAB, which enforces campaign finance, elections, ethics and lobbying laws.

>In its place, Walker said, he supports the creation of “something completely new that is truly accountable to the people of the state of Wisconsin.” Walker left open the possibility that a replacement board could have partisan leadership, compared to the current board, made up of six former judges.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-dismantle-independent-elections-and-ethics-board/article_b33afe88-c0cf-55db-a6c5-c4e65796f640.html

Awesome, indeed.

If you want to take this to /pol/ make a thread.

Bank on

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>>64543355
>evidence
I'm just natural police.

Also, creep vibe.

>>64543273
>Ryan "That Password Was a Lucky Guess" Hillegas

kek

Why didn't anyone examine the phone records after for the potential harraser?

>>64543363
>>64543347
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_a_Murderer

IF he is freed again would he be justified on all accounts to go all Law Abiding Citizen on Manitowoc County?

I'm not saying it's right but I don't think you could honestly get mad.

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who dunnit, /tv/?

>>64543478
Ryan "No Avery gets a pass" Hillegas

>>64537808
I've see so many threads of this, what is it?

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>The examples it cited included "a sentence of fifty years to life under California's three-strikes law for stealing nine videotapes," "a sentence of twenty-five years to life under California's three-strikes law for the theft of three golf clubs," "a forty-year sentence for possession of nine ounces of marijuana with the intent to distribute," and "a life sentence under Texas's recidivist statute for obtaining $120.75 by false pretenses."

https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/04/rancher-arson-case-that-inspired-oregon

>>64542605
>The only trolls here are the idiots who believe either of these fuckers are innocent. They were convict by a jury of their peers with supporting evidence.
It's almost like this happened before to SA and he spent 18 years in prison for something he didn't do.

>>64543499

Two white trash scumbags raped and murdered a woman, two tumblr dykes make an extremely biased documentary about them making it look like the cops framed him and they are innocent, it gets put on Netflix, dumb fucking faggots from here fall for their tumblr dyke bait and start the white trash dindu nuffin internet defense force.

It's a fucking disgusting show of what a pussy and idiot filled dump this place has become in the past few years. Welcome to /tv/mblr.

>>64543478
what was the deal with the 6 guys, why did they hate steve so much?

>>64543478
>qt3.14 makes same faces as me during press conference

ONE OF US

>>64541657
I have a law degree and I can tell you you have no idea what exactly a lawyer does huh?

I'd love to hear what you think a lawyer is supposed to do.
Protip: they aren't fucking detectives

>>64543590
This.

Aren't they related the Avery's?

>>64542037
Is your IQ 70 too? All of your points lead to them being MORE likely to have been involved in the murder. But since the police was all over Avery from the start, they did not even bother interrogating them, losing all chances of following other leads. Hell, they even let them inside the Avery property as part of the "search" when they should have been suspects along with Avery.

>>64543154
>Scott Tadych & Bobby Dassey
im convinced they did it and told brendan to blame it on steven, thats why they were the only family members to testify against him, and why they were missing the entire time of what happened. and they live right next time him so it would be easy to frame him, they got paid by the police

>>64542142
They were dumbass. Didn't you hear the part about bone damage due to transportation?

>>64541338
underrated

>>64543586
They framed Steved for the first rape, it's proven. Why is it so outrageous they'd frame him again?
BTW there's no physical evidence against the nephew.
>>64543602
FUcKING SPANK YOU.

>>64543643
I think there's like two guys who know what happened, and they've convinced the rest of the cops, the DA, and everyone they're in contact with that Steven is guilty. It's all about the money at this point. I think the majority of the people complicit in this really believe he's guilty.

But that's no excuse for what they did to that poor fucking Dassey kid.

>>64538997
>>64541494
Then explain the blood vial with the hole in it.

Clearly someone tampered with it. There were evidence seals on it that were cut/taped over. It's obvious that someone had access to his blood. The EDTA test was bullshit also.

>>64543586
/pol/ mad as fuck

>>64543586
lol, it's scary outside of your safe space isn't it?

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>>64543586

>don't compact car or drive it off your lot
>but park it 500 feet away from compactor

>don't burn bones in smelter
>but bury them literally behind your residence, several feet from a burn pit

>murder woman and hide her body/car
>but leave her keys inside your home

He may have done it but there are just glaring problems that it seems should be ringing a bell in any good detectives head.

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>>64541884
>mfw whenever he's asked a difficult question that might get him in trouble he pretends to start crying over a blue ribbon

>>64543586
>tumblr dykes
>supporting white men

>>64543816
your forgetting that Avery himself is borderline retarded. His IQ was tested as 70 according to Episode 1

>>64543816
>get rid off all DNA evidence in the trailer and garage
>forget about the obvious DNA evidence in the car

>>64538997
>being in prison makes you a violent criminal

[citation needed]

>>64543858
Hes borderline retarded, but is able to get DNA out of his home, garage and the shitload stuff that was in those places?

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>>64543858
Ok so he's retarded but he managed to wipe off ALL his finger prints from the car and not his blood?
and something that sticks with me about him is that the original crimes he did time for, the cat thing, the running his cousin off the road thing. He pled guilty, he did the time. For the original rape he was falsely accused of he could have gotten out of jail early if he had just confessed, he had a wife he loved and 5 kids, but he refused to confess.
He has low IQ, he made a lot of mistakes, but I could never have stayed in jail like that. I only have 2 kids. If it meant confessing to a crime I didn't commit.... I don't know how long I could hold out. I don't know if I could maintain my innocence How many of us, even of higher intelligence could, or would?

If he'd plead guilty to Halbach's murder he's probably have gotten a shorter sentence, but he won't. Tis guy is not super bright. He makes a lot os stupid shitty choices. He's white trash. I mean he wore a stained T-shirt and Stained jean SHORTS to a press conference with the fucking governor. But he has this steadfast integrity that I really admire.

>>64543858
And yet he managed to clean up and avoid all the evidence that should've been there (excessive blood splatter, additional bullet fragments, wounds from the victim fighting back, fingerprints on the vehicle, etc.)?

I only see two possibilities:

SA did it and the cops/killer, planted evidence.

SA didn't do it and the cops/killer, planted evidence.

>>64543586
I BET THEY WERE JOOOS

>>64543936
>>64543942
The idea that he cleaned all that DNA from his home and etc, but then just left the bones near his home. If he knew about DNA, not just visible blood, but DNA, why leave the bones there?

So /tv/, I haven't watched any of the documentary, but did Steve do it. Y/N?

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>>64541931
You literally just said that if a jury decides you're guilty then that's evidence that you're guilty.
Are you mentally retarded?

>>64543602
>I have a law degree and I can tell you you have no idea what exactly a lawyer does huh?

Nice post explaining what you do.
Nice post proving you actually have a law degree despite the high school grammar.

>>64543936
> But he has this steadfast integrity
He reminds me of the homeless guy who returned the engagement ring some woman accidentally gave him.

Class and wealth might keep you out of prison but at least integrity is priceless.

And by priceless I mean it's literally worth nothing and will get you no where in life. Lie, cheat and steal, senpai. The struggle is real.

>>64543154
this

>>64543972
There is just no fucking answer for this.

He has 40 acres and then basically ALL of Wisconsin. But the bones are behind his house?

He's stupid, not retarded.

>>64543745
>>64543762
>>64543807

Same/tv/mblrkek. Stay a fucking lemming that believes anything a shitty documentary tells you.

>Not being an idiot that believes any bullshit fed to me by a TV show makes me /pol/

Guess I'm /pol/ then.

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>Boyfriend shot and killed her
>burned her body
>deleted voicemails off her cellphone that incriminated him
>decided to frame Steven and dumped what was left of her bones in Steven's lot
>cops took the chance to plant some evidence to further his guilt because they knew they purposely fucked him in the rape case
>guilty

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>>64543935
>you will never marry a qt level-headed scrappy lawyer and crack cases together defending the innocent

>>64543977

Did you really reply to a 2+ hour old post?

>>64544060

>He's stupid, not retarded.

Wrong again. His IQ makes him legally retarded. Something you two have in common.

>>64543976
No motive, no modus operandi, no murder weapon...if he did do it it's the most baffling "how'd he do it" crime in the last 20 years.

>>64544097
If that makes Steven legally retarded the cops got a confession out of a legally retarded Brendan without a lawyer present?

Even if they aren't guilty they belong in prison off the streets and unable to further destroy the gene pool. You are hurting humanity by making excuses for subhumans like this and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

>>64544125
mike okelly pls go

>>64544119

Yes, and? I'm not saying their convictions weren't bullshit and the cops aren't corrupt, I'm saying they're white trash that belong in prison.

>>64544097
>using the phrase "legally retarded" seriously
>calling someone else retarded

It's like you dig your own hole AND bury yourself.

>>64544125
>>64544145
They have their own business, they provide for themselves. They are not even white trash in that degree.

>>64544125
>>64544145
Okay, broseidon.

>>64544145
>I'm saying they're white trash that belong in prison.

Hi, O'Kelly!

>>64544082
I feel like because it was 2005 and there were so many fucking old people involved in the case that just being able to magically guess someone's password AND username is seen as being perfectly normal and not at all suspicious.

Also seriously what the fuck is up with her brother I have a sister and I know I'd be completely inconsolable if she'd been missing for three fucking days and wouldn't be able to give creepy interviews with news crews casually talking about her in the past tense.

>>64544125
>they belong in prison off the streets and unable to further destroy the gene pool

Is that your final solution?

>>64544173
You gotta admit that most passwords are really easy to guess, especially in 2005. The brother mentions that it was his other sisters birth date or something like that.

>>64544148
>>64544158
>>64544166
>>64544167
HI AVERY FAMILY MEMBERS! How many criminal acts such as molesting your own family members have you committed today? Remember when Brendan told his mom about Steven molesting him and other family members during that phone call he didn't know was being recorded? These are the people you are making excuses for and saying should be let out of prison. I'm guessing it's because you are pedophile child molesters and thieves yourselves. Enjoy prison.

>>64544173
Yeah it seemed that the brother was acting a little creepy. Showed little to no emotion that his beloved sister was dead. He probably helped the boyfriend in some way.

Her roommate was also strange. Not reporting her disappearance until four or five days later is odd.

>>64544207
You're goddamn right it is. Operation T4 the entire Avery family and anyone making excuses for them.

>>64543590
The cops were the ones who were going to look most bad and possibly lose jobs or even end up facing criminal charges over there failure to follow up evidence that could have freed Steve earlier in his original trial. They have a strong mental motive to believe he was really a murdering rapist all along and therefore they didn't keep an innocent man in jail.
The ex boyfriend admitted to accessing Theresas voicemail, and some messages had been deleted. Normally he and he roommate would be prime suspects and should not have been allowed anywhere near the search.
The Avery cousins could have done it, there was inconsistancies in their accounts, don't really know about these two, again it seems like the police didn't really have any theory other than 'it was Steve' and thats not how its supposed to work.
The brother? Sure he could have done it, his voicemail admission is the only suspicious part, but i found his conviction of the Averys being guilty understandable. Your sister gets brutally murdered you at least want to think someone is paying for it. But again, doesn't look like the police even looked for anyone other than Steve

>>64544228

Shhhh stop calling out the left for what it is

>>64544173
>I have a sister
This is the big thing that gives me chills about her brother.

He's so focused on Steve Avery and Brendon Dassey. He shows up to every press conference, every hearing, every interview, etc. and relentlessly suspects them and no one else.

If my sister was the victim I'd be a fucking wreck, would constantly be on the police to look at every corner, and would keep the press, and world, out of the life of me and my family so we could grieve.

>>64544228
Unfortunately child molestation is not what Avery was arrested for and unless a case is bought for that it's completely irrelevant to his trial for murdering Halbach.

>>64544249
>The cops were the ones who were going to look most bad and possibly lose jobs or even end up facing criminal charges over there failure to follow up evidence that could have freed Steve earlier in his original trial.
>criminal charges

Statute of limitations

>>64544228
>An entire family is condemned because I'm an idiot who doesn't pay attention.

Alright.

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The solution to the case is in the voicemails that were deleted by her boyfriend and brother.

>>64544334
>family not held accountable for raising an animal abusing, family molesting murderer

Spoken like a true apologist.

>>64544249
>Your sister gets brutally murdered you at least want to think someone is paying for it.

Guy with sister again.

I'd be concerned the RIGHT person was paying for it so she gets justice and it wouldn't happen to anyone else.

I can't imagine I could sit through that trial and hear the things presented and still hold the level of conviction her brother did.

But I'm not him nor thankfully deal with such a tragedy so maybe I would've reacted differently. I'd like to hope I'd still retain my logic even in duress, however.

>>64542221
Shut the fuck up already. Troll ass, retarded cheese faced bitch

People in this thread are a perfect example of why modern jurors don't mean shit. Your average person today is too fucking stupid to put any pieces together and will convict off of how they feel.

>>64544468
Feelings will be the downfall of modern society.

>>64544468
Yea reasonable doubt means shit now.
And then OJ and Casey Anthony were as solid as you can get and its like wtf they got away with murrrrderp

>>64544339
they're probably in space still

>>64544385
It's interesting to compare this case to the Memphis 3. Over time the families came around to the idea that the convicts were innocent while those that prosecuted them and some jurors remained steadfast in their conviction.

Here the family and friends of the deceased don't even want to entertain the notion that the person prosecuted might be innocent although it's worth noticing that the evidence (or lack thereof) in both cases was very different.

The guy saying damn the Avery family for being white trash child molesters sounds like those who cried satanic cult during the Memphis 3 case though.

>>64544268
>the left
fuck off back to /pol/

>>64542147
So true

>>64544468
>average person today

The average person since the inception of this country you mean?

The electoral college exists for a reason.

Also, studies have shown that 80% of jury verdicts correspond with the trial judge's opinion so they're still not far off...

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>tfw your son gets locked up in prison for 18 years for something he never did

>>64544602
the fact that neither of his parents have croaked yet makes me very happy. Though I feel incredibly humbled by it too.

>>64544502
> OJ and Casey Anthony
Money talks.

The Avery family was a podunk bunch of inbreds from some backwater, shit county in Wisconsin. The only reason Avery even got such a compelling defense is because he had the money from the settlement.

Also, the MSM fucks up reasonable doubt for everyone.

Cosby is TECHNICALLY still innocent. But I believe he probably did it. Because for the last two years all I've been hearing ad nausea is all the evidence in the court of public opinion.

>>64544647
I really liked his dad.

Seemed like a bro.

>>64544602
She looks like Yoda and Steve's dad sounds like Plinkett.

>>64544722
Too true

>>64544602
>Mac's mom

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>tfw you will never fall victim to the farce that is the American Justice System
>tfw some fat fuck from /tv/ in a jury will never send you down just because you're white trash

>>64544781
>Mac is a Serial Killer

Coincidence?

I think Yeah, probably.

>>64544805
>tfw you will never taste that sweet American freedom

>>64537808
>literally a white dindu

Nah, fuck him.

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>>64545164
P R I Z E

>>64545164
>people blowing him the fuck out on yelp and facebook

All of my keks.

>>64545213
Got some links?

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>>64545164
God damn this was like watching a comedy at times

>Ken 'The Prize' Pratz
>My client doesn't even own underwear!
>Yeah? Yeah.
>That god damn son of a bitch judge!
>I have a project due at 1:29
>Delores looks and acts like Mac's mom from It's Always Sunny
>I'm gonna miss Wrestlemania
>What does inconsistent mean? ... I don't know

>>64545213
http://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.339/62166/

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i made some OC

>>64543478
>Angenette Levy: Levy, a journalist who garnered a lot of "Making A Murderer" playback attention for asking the tough questions, is now an on-air reporter for WKRC in Cincinnati.

:3

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The internet is being mean again.

>>64543182
>writer can't count backwards from 9
>I'm supposed to believe him

>gets falsely convicted
>released then sued county
>shortly after gets accused of murder on bizarre evidence

Yeah, no way it could possibly be revenge

>>64545709
>cops that you sue are the ones finding evidence

>>64545741
They are sworn officers of the law.

Are you implying they are fallible, terrorist?

The lead prosecution attorney with his weird little moustache and odd voice annoys the hell out of me.

>>64545787
No, sir. The American police are there to protect the people.

USA USA USA

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>>64546211
> criticizing the prize

>>64546369
He got dat George Lucus neck fat.

>>64537808
What's the story on pic related?
I haven't seen this show yet.

There's documents where Steve is saying his brother did it. It's from TmZ so take it how you will

>>64546694
watch it

>>64543705
Some anon claims that when fresh the vial is fully sealed to prevent contamination, the hole is from putting the blood in it.

That doesn't change the fact that the evidence seal was broken, and that the could have just opened the vial fully.

>>64546369
is the judge a painting?

>>64542847
>inmates talk about how much they want sex, since they are in prison
>omg rape plotting guys!

>>64546919
Isn't that just from Steven saying there are other people the police should have looked into?

You American have such a shit system

>>64546954

kek

>>64546954
nice

>>64546952
>Some anon claims that when fresh the vial is fully sealed to prevent contamination, the hole is from putting the blood in it.
Some labs do that but iirc the lawyers asked the lab if they do it that way the lab said they didn't.

>>64547102
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/01/06/steven-avery-brothers-murder-teresa-halbach/


Also did they search for blood in their house. Is it possible to now?

>>64547073
He drew rape and torture chambers and talked about burning a body to destroy dna evidence.

>>64541265
This. I don't understand how it was just glazed over on the documentary

>>64547281
I think he's guilty as sin but let's see the drawings

>>64547229
That info was taken from 2009 when his appeal was and they were listed as potential other suspects they should have looked into.

>Also did they search for blood in their house. Is it possible to now?
Why would they? They believed they had gotten their guy already.

>>64547133
You have such a shit English

>>64539953
punchable face

>>64541931
Being this autistic

>>64547328
I don't think they've been made public. All I'm saying is that, if true, that's more incriminating than horny rape talk.

JUST binged watched 2 episodes of this. Americans are so entertaining goddamn.

>>64543154
What about her code cracking brother?

>>64547713
Wasn't that Ryan?

>>64547518
he was falsely sent to prison by a women accusing him of rape, while inside a women took his family away and sent him taunting letters.

dude is guilty, but I don't think he'd have been in a great mood while in prison desu

>>64547745
No Her brother is #5 here
>>64543478

He seems like an accessory after the fact. Her brother was the one in every interview that wanted Brendan to just confess.

The fishiest was when the ex-prison guard now cop called in the licences plate and make of the car. Before it was supposedly discovered.

>>64547889
The officer who called in the car was the same that had evidence in the 90s that Steven Avery might be innocent of the the rape

>>64537808
I've only seen the first four episodes so far but it's very similar to Serial. Here's my understanding:

As far as anyone knows, Teresa Halbach was last seen at the Avery salvage yard
Her car was found there
It's fairly obvious that the police planted evidence to put Steven Avery away. They had been humiliated by his release and impending civil suit so they had good reason to get rid of him.

>>64547713
That wasn't her brother. That was Hillegas.

>NO DNA found in the bedroom of Teresa
>NO DNA found in the garage of Teresa

Whatever happened, there is no way she was killed in Steven's trailer

>>64541620
That's the problem. Nobody who watched the documentary saw his confession. Only bits and pieces of it. It was over a hour long.
Besides, they found Avery's DNA in the truck of the RAV4 which was left out of the documentary. Plus he was stalking the photographer chick. Also left out.

>>64548124
>Plus he was stalking the photographer chick.
No actual evidence of that.

>>64548114
This. Steve Avery is so smart yet stupid that me manages to clean every trace of her DNA but leaves his?

>>64548124
If you look through the various Reddit threads, you can find the transcript of Brendan Dassey's confession.

>>64548139
The implication is that he cleaned the garage/home of DNA. If that were true, there wouldnt be any DNA left of neither Avery or Teresa.

>>64548124
>stalking

Her called her 3 times, on the day which she was coming to his property. Seems a bit of a stretch to call that stalking

>inb4 muh towel!
How he answers the door once is completely irrelevant.

>>64548215
>How he answers the door once is completely irrelevant.
This might be totally overblown. Some city girl gets scared of a man answering his door in a towel.

>>64548215
I don't think there's a single memory of that family with an IQ above 70 or so. Steven Avery's mental faculties are probably roughly that of a 17 year old. He probably didn't understand why she was creeped out by the towel thing.

>>64548273
>memory
member, fuck.

>>64548273
>implying Dolores doesn't have an IQ of 150

>>64548273
>I don't think there's a single memory of that family with an IQ above 70 or so. Steven Avery's mental faculties are probably roughly that of a 17 year old. He probably didn't understand why she was creeped out by the towel thing.

He does seem a like a harmless kid, but he did burn a cat alive. There might be violence flashes he has.

>>64548334
>but he did burn a cat alive
I absolutely despise animal cruelty but it's sadly not that uncommon. Especially on the country.

>>64548334
True. So of course it boils down to why the fuck would he risk murdering someone after being released from his 18 false imprisonment and had an impending major civil suit against the sheriff's department? Unless he had one of his "episodes" and just couldn't control himself.

>>64548417
To add to this, it's pretty blatant that there was a lot of police corruption involved in this regardless of whether he did it. Specifically the car key and blood found in the car were pretty blatantly planted.

>>64548389
I'd like to see some sort of study that could determine how often those who are violent to animals in their youth go on to show violence towards humans.

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>>64537808
I felt so fucking bad for Brendan. When he said he lost weight because he thought his ex-gf dumped him for being fat...all the stuff about him playing PS2 and needing to do a project...and him saying he just wanted to go home...not even going to lie I teared up a little bit. It reminded me of myself in high school.

Say what you want about Steve Avery but the State convicted an innocent and mentally impaired basically autistic teenager with no evidence.

>>64548458
Would be interesting to see.

>>64545287
And Steven's dad acts and looks like Plinkett.

>>64548532
Yeah, his "confession" was a complete joke. He had no idea what was even happening to him. So sad.

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The way media plays with public opinion is probably the scariest part. There was no reason why would the media portray Steven as they did. This was no political issue or anything where the media might have a bias.

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>>64545594
> Even Satan himself would not accept your through the fiery gates of hell

Toppest of keks holy shit.

Honestly the key MUST have been planted.
There's no way even a legitimate retard like Steven fucking just left it on the floor when knowing the popo were coming to search his place eventually (but at the same time was smart enough to wipe down his home + the garage completely leaving no traces of DNA)

>>64548673
Media is just selling stuff and as long as believe keep eating it up they'll continue it.

>>64548800
The key also only had DNA of him and none of Teresa's which she owned for years.

>>64547304

Because the whole point of the film was "he didn't do noffin"

>>64548886
They mentioned it tho and he got convicted for it

>>64548886
This is my problem with trying to have any discussion on /tv/. You couldn't possibly be oversimplifying this more.

It's really not possible to portray Steve Avery and most of his family as "good" people. However, what I took away from the documentary is how difficult it is in the US for uneducated, poor people to receive fair treatment in the justice system and how easy it is for local law enforcement to get away with corruption and collusion.

>>64549275
It seems most people miss that this was kinda the point of the doc. The system is not perfect and it should be discussed.

Where are the finger prints?

Where is the pool of blood or blood splatter?

Where are the fight marks in Steven's hand?

How fresh was his cut on his finger?

Why was there 3 burn piles?

What's his motive?

>>64549349
Fight marks in Stevens face or body for a sign of a strugfle*

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>>64549378
Yeah, the claim that Halbach's throat was cut is certainly total bullshit.

>>64549418
...and yet the prosection told the media about this and gave a detailed graphic story to the public although they had no proof and still don't

New thread

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