EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>B/R
Why even play this dumb combination? Prove me wrong.

>>54800788
So far the wizards seem really fun. I'm interested to see what the third legendary is.

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Waifu reprint!

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>>54800804
I'd say self mill. You don't want to ever exile shit from hand.

Also, look at this adorable synergy. Turn your combo General into a shitty Raise Dead.

>>54800788
The wizard deck has brought in some of the coolest stuff so far with only two legends. I look forward to the third and Taigam.

>>54800826
Sweet. I knew her or Jeleva would get reprinted.

Gate Mage

Creature - Human Wizard

Flash

~ enters the battlefield during the declare attackers step, you may reselect the player or planeswalker that the target attacking creature attacks

>>54800857
Forgot 2U cost

>>54800836
Wouldn't work.

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>>54800857
Wow. They really went crazy with that new wording.

I guess they were terrified of it ending up like Balduvian Warlord.

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Is Scarab god in Mairsil valuable?

>>54800836
That's a qt rogue

>>54800811
Because you enjoy it.

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>>54800881
mfw

>>54800881
It happens sometimes in Magic, where it's SUPER easy to explain what you want something to do, but the wording for it to actually WORK within the rules is complicated.

Like Animate Dead. "It brings back a dead guy with -1/-0, and if this Aura leaves the field, sac that guy." But to work, it has to be an Aura that enchants a creature card in a graveyard, brings it back, then converts itself to an Enchant Creature card to work.

>>54800912
Back off of her.

Only warning.

>>54800878
Wanna fight about it? "Exiled with" refers to that specific object with the ability.

>>54800826
But she Queen now

>>54800811
So I don't have to play RW

>>54800902
Sure, why not?

>>54800788
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

I want to cage up Kozilek.

>>54800958
Actually, it's a linked ability. "Exiled with" on a card like Bane Alley Broker specifically refers to cards exiled by the ability to which it is linked (in this case, the first ability on Broker), not all cards exiled for any reason.

607.5. If an object acquires a pair of linked abilities as part of the same effect, the abilities will be similarly linked to one another on that object even though they weren't printed on that object. They can't be linked to any other ability, regardless of what other abilities the object may currently have or may have had in the past.

Example: Arc-Slogger has the ability "{R}, Exile the top ten cards of your library: Arc-Slogger deals 2 damage to target creature or player." Sisters of Stone Death has the ability "{B}{G}: Exile target creature blocking or blocked by Sisters of Stone Death" and the ability "{2}{B}: Put a creature card exiled with Sisters of Stone Death onto the battlefield under your control." Quicksilver Elemental has the ability "{U}: Quicksilver Elemental gains all activated abilities of target creature until end of turn." If a player has Quicksilver Elemental gain Arc-Slogger's ability, activates it, then has Quicksilver Elemental gain Sisters of Stone Death's abilities, activates the exile ability, and then activates the return-to-the-battlefield ability, only the creature card Quicksilver Elemental exiled with Sisters of Stone Death's ability can be returned to the battlefield. Creature cards Quicksilver Elemental exiled with Arc-Slogger's ability can't be returned.

So, Mairsil will pick up both of Broker's activated abilities, which will be linked, but ONLY those two are linked. Mairsil could do the "draw a card, then exile a card face-down", and use the "return a card exiled with ~ to its owner's hand" ability to get it back, but you could NOT use that UB T ability to get back cards that were exiled by Mairsil's ETB trigger.

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>>54800836
>>54800912
>>54800957

>>54801012
How can you tell at a glance if they are linked? I believe you, but I want to know for future reference.

>>54801043
If they're printed on the same card, they're linked.

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>>54801042
She's asking for it.

>>54801043
Experience.

But also, the rules.

607.2a. If an object has an activated or triggered ability printed on it that instructs a player to exile one or more cards and an ability printed on it that refers either to "the exiled cards" or to cards "exiled with [this object]," these abilities are linked. The second ability refers only to cards in the exile zone that were put there as a result of an instruction to exile them in the first ability.

>>54801043
Because they are printed (not gained) abilities on the same card that refer to one another.

>>54801066
>>54801063
>>54801057
Understood. So, just a general rule, no current wording can overwrite it.

>>54801066
To be fair, 607.5 tells us that it's entirely possible to obtain linked abilities and still have them work. Mairsil can do that, but the abilities are still ONLY linked to each other, not to any other abilities on Mairsil.

If you ate a Bane Alley Broker and a Sisters of Stone Death, you could use the Sisters' linked ability to exile-and-steal creatures, and you could use Brokers linked abilities to draw-and-exile, then return-from-exile, but no mix and match.

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>>54801042
Injured girls are my fetish.

Oh shit, I just realized - if you imprint Mirror-Mad Phantasm, activate, then send Mairsil back to the command zone, you just mill your whole deck, don't you? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

>>54801103
Well, technically it could be overwritten, because the CR explicitly says that any time a card's text directly contradicts the CR, the card wins.

Just, they probably *wouldn't*.

>>54801117
>if that player does

>>54801117
>Lab Man
Fucking kill yourself.

>>54801111
Sure. I was more referring to the fact that they can't be mixed; it's only the ones that are printed together. I could have worded it better.

Anyone feel like the Wizard theme is really underwhelming. Trying to unite a loose tribe with a generic mechanic seems uninspired.

>>54801117
Well that's one other way of winnning with lab man I suppose.

>>54801148
No, you are the only person who thinks that.

>>54801120
Yeah, when I said "current wording", I meant cards that exist they have that wording.

It would be neat to have just an aura that gave a creature an ability to fuck with its exiled cards.

>>54801142
He never mentioned Lab Man.

>>54801148
Wizards have always had a thing for giving each other tap abilities.

>>54801137
Shuffle it back, then replace putting it back in with going to the command zone. I'm not sure if it works, but I hope it does.
>>54801142
>>54801153
Lab Man is one option, yes.

>>54801161
Have literally just seen the spoiler and no other discourse about the card so it wasn't reply bait. I was seeing if I was missing something with its synergies with other Wizards.

>>54801168
Milling your entire library is a pretty awful idea unless you're going for Lab Man or have an infinite combo that works from the grave. So you go for Narcomeba, Fatestitcher, something else, Dread Return for a Necrotic Ooze, and then what?

Fuck. I am now at 2 decks I have to build now.

What wincons should I use for zedruu pillow fort?

>>54801224
>Fuck. I am now at 2 decks I have to build now.

Only two? Lucky.

>>54801012
Would you still be able to look at those exiled cards though? Mairsil doesn't gain the static ability "You may look at cards exiled with Bane Alley Broker"
So if you used the second activated ability, you'd just have to pick from the pile, without knowing which one it is?

>>54801168
The tap ability to lose life seems super inelegent and the splinter twin ability feels hamfisted. It's not a bad card and s wizard deck with it at the helm is alright but I can't help but look at the Vampire and Cat general and regular rares and feel a missed opportunity for Wizards.

>>54801236
Donating Transcendence.

>>54801248
You wouldn't be able to look at the cards, but you'd need to keep them separate from the other exiled cards for that purpose. SO you'd have a stack of "Things exiled face-up by Mairsil, which have cage counters", and a stack of "Things exiled via Mairsil's copying of Broker's ability, exiled face-down".

>>54801224
>Mairsil gives me a lore boner
>Mairsil gives me a jank boner
>Mairsil gives me a boner
I can't NOT build him.
I mean who would build Ramos + Door to Nothingness when your commander can be the fucking door

>>54801243
I have 7 decks right now.

I didn't even entertain the idea that the new Grixis secondary would be so fun and build around.

Now I'm stuck thinking of entombing Kozilek and smashing this guy out turn 4.

>>54801256
Well there is still one more grixis wizard legend to be revealed.

You're off base with the inelegant comment though. Wizards tapping for abilities was part of their thing in Odyssey and Lorwyn too and this fits.

>>54801168
To elaborate on >>54801256 I felt like instead of taking something that Wizards normally want to do and then elevating by attaching a wincon to it, they just made a generic engine with Wizard subtype. Something like Diviner's Wand or Docent of Perfection comes to mind for examples of the former.

>>54801288
It'll let you counter some spells. I'm thinking of a +1/+1 counter bizarre voltroj deck for him. He's very unique.

>>54800836
>combo general
What's the combo?

I want to use that new Enchantment that puts divinity counters on things in a spirit tribal deck with Myojins in it to get repeatable board wipes/discard/draw

>>54801309
Wait, so instead enabling jank and interesting combos, you want ways to turn wizards sideways and attack?

>>54801280

>Your commander can be the door

>Grixis
>5 colour

Hm

>>54801319
He curves from Buried Alive. If you grab Aether, you got plenty of cages, but you probably want to have mana up.

>>54800957
Don't worry, I would never turn my back to a rogue.

>>54801329
Phyrexian Devourer to mill your whole library and Lab Man win.

>>54801329
Well, there currently isn't any crazy good ones found.

Anthroplasm and Sage of Hours gives you 5 mana repeatable timewalk.

I'm sure there are combinations of two that instakill, but I'm not that style of guy.

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>>54800788
yes

>>54801388
>You may activate each of those abilities only once each turn.

>>54801389
Considering that the current legal "Take an extra turn after this one" cards are 5 mana (Time Warp, Temporal Manipulation, Capture of Jingzhou), and that has to be 3UU instead of 5 generic, that's pretty good.
>inb4 "dies to removal" and "needs haste"
You're not going to be using Greaves in your build around commander?

>>54801422
Yeah, that guy is a dummy. You can Magister's Scepter and Ventifact Bottle with some untap like Staff of Dominion.

I'm doing some jank with it. But you can do some infinites with some work.

>>54801339
I don"t see how tapping to lose life is a "jank and interesting combo." In fact, it's even simpler than actually attack. I was using them as an example of something wizards naturall support and turning it into a wincon, something this Wizard commander doesn't do.

>>54801389
>5 mana repeatable time walk
>Purely from activated abilities, so you need a stifle to counter it.
Sounds pretty much like an instawin to me, barring stuff like Smokestack being on the field.
It does die pretty hard to removal though.

>>54801288
I've got seven decks myself and two more that are in the building stage and that's BEFORE these new sets came out.

One of my EDH buddies has more than two dozen decks if I'm remembering right...he may have taken some apart to build others. It's gotten to the point where he's making wonky theme and gimmick decks for shits and giggles. His latest is a deck with nothing but banned-in-EDH cards and before that, he made a deck with 85% lands.

Just checked with judge IRC; they say you don't mill with Mirror-Mad if you send Mairsil to the command zone. I'm still gonna wait for an answer from Tabak; but it's not looking good. Still, "1U: Mill a bunch, then get another imprint" is pretty nice.

>>54800811
It's Grixis not Rakdos dipshit

>>54801486
Not if he's an Aetherling too.

>>54801516
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Rakdos, not the new commander. Rakdos tends to be a crappy color combo.

>>54801505
Shuffle Mairsil back, then put him in Command when gets milled. Simple shit.

>>54801486
I play down combos to cEDH people because I know when they say "combo" they usually mean "resilient, effectient combo that wins even if the opponents has a solitary confinement, thorn of amethyst and sulfuric vortex, a hand full of countermagic and terminates"

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>>54800922
>mfw casting Stifle on Animate Dead's ETB

>>54801505

What's the rules debate here? Commander zone changes are a replacement effect, they never go to the original zone

>>54801459
Nice combo. I think I like Gemstone Array more than Ventifact Bottle though.

>>54801389
Last thread somebody posted Ventifact Bottle + Magistrate's Scepter with is 4 generic to infinite with Mairsil but needs some means of untap (if he cages a Pili-Pala it's 5 mana and 3 cards, if you have an untapper on the field it's potentially cheaper but relies on keeping something else alive)

>>54801560
O wait nvm

>>54801560
He can only get 1 counter a turn from gemstone, he's not skullbriar he'll lose the counters if you flicker him. Also, it'll be more expensive -- 6 for the 3 needed to scepter rather than 4.

>>54801560
Gemstone Array only gets you one counter. Remember, you can only use each ability once per turn.

>>54801560
Literally just searched for "o:: o:extra" on magiccards.info. Not particularly inspired. Going infinite with this guy either requires Flicker or extra turns due to his restriction.

Personally, I hate going infinite so I probably am just gonna be caging big dudes with drawbacks. Stuff like Shaku or Helldozer.

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>working on Karrthus.dec
>spoilers cmd2017 come out
>now torn between 5c or jund
>mfw im halfway jund
>mfw 5c needs 10 fetches/shocks
>mfw i just wanted to play dragons

>>54801579
Staff is one cheaper and has other utility.

>>54801618
for me, I just want to cage Barl's Cage, but only because I can't cage Ith without donate+mindslaver to someone who just happens to have him.

Where is dickass Taigam for wizard #3

>>54801646
>and has other utility.
This is the key part, otherwise Pili-Pala is fairly equal. Remember that while it costs 2 to untap you get 1 back.

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If Mairsil copied this chucklefuck, would the bat be able to return him, or would it look for Sengir Nosferatu?

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Mind's Desire on a stick. Clearly the best deck.

>>54801643
>needs 10 fetches/shocks
Woe is me, to NEED the exact expensive cards they tell me to play.

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>>54800788
+ 1 spell for infinite tokens at end step, infinite burn at upkeep.

>>54801683
It would go for Sengir. It would essentially read "Pay 1B: Exile your commander to get a bat and Sengir"

>>54801668
He's going to be UB, anon.
The 3 legends are supposed to be the full color combo, so Inalla, Mairsil and Marchesa.

>>54801683
It would return a card named sengir Nosferatu in this case.

>>54801685
Why does it cost 1? Wheel was 2 and Will was 3.

Oh well. Not busted, so I guess I'm fine with it.

>>54801538
Yep, I'm dumb.

>>54801683
Wouldn't it be impossible to use the ability at all since it requires you to exile a sengir nosferatu?

>>54801727
Maybe they realised Will was underpowered.

>>54801727
The important part about the Magi was that they cost the same as the original card, except for Library, Bazaar, Arena, and Tabernacle, where it wouldn't make sense.
>>54801757
No, since when Sengir Nosferatu says "1B, Exile Sengir Nosferatu:" what it really means is "1B, Exile this card:"

I feel like Honor-Worn Shaku could do something for Mairsil. Just play a bunch of Legendary Lands.

>>54801503
>Two dozen decks
>Wonky themes and gimmicks
Are you friends with gA?

>>54801802
>what it really means is "1B, Exile this card:"
Wording is everything in this game. This hasn't even been oracled to "Exlie this card", it remains asking you to exile Sengir Nosferatu.

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Can I turn him into an aura?

>>54801802
I meant the activated ability, which is clearly arbitrary.

>>54801783
Probably.

what's the general consensus on Commander 2017?

>>54801685
Magus cards are always bad because they have no haste and die to removal. Stop being a scrub

>>54801813
Once a turn, man.

>>54801783
I think for Will that they thought it was too risky to not frontload the cost of Yawgmoth's will before the turn you activate it so that couldn't get more casts out of your graveyard with that creature than with the original spell which is already super good.

>>54801685
Not fan of the art but I am a fan of Mind's Desire.

>>54801702
Am I missing something here or does it not work? Glen Elendra is when cast trigger, you can't keep bouncing and replaying the Alchemist with it.

>>54801835
Give me the full lists and I'll be able to give you an opinion on the full product.

>>54801835

wizards deck looks way more fun than the rest but there are no decklists yet so...

>>54801224
You and me both. That'll teach me for starting a deck during spoiler season. Though honestly I have significantly more than just two, it's just that I have two I'm actively working on.

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>>54800788
1: have 15 mana including UBR in mana pool
2: have a source of haste like Fervor or Lightning Greaves
3: exile and cage Doubling Cube and Goblin Lyre
4: Tap Mairsil to double mana
5: Sac him with the Lyre's Ability
6: Pay the tax to replay him and then repeat

Moonglove Extract is a good non-goofy alternative to Goblin Lyre. The Lyre will still win you the game while making infinite mana though as long as you have no other creatures.

>>54801843
Mind's Desire is the same way though.

>>54801838
At least half of the Magi are good or usable. Moon is great even in cEDH. Shut up if you don't know shit.

>>54801643
>shocks
It NEEDS duals so you better just play Jund. Then you only need to buy Badlands, Taiga, and Bayou instead of all 10.

>>54801903
>At least half of the magic are usable
>The only ones are literally blood moon 2 and the abyss 2
Cuckfag, I bet you also think saskia is a t1 general

>>54801824
Incorrect. It's not "oracled", because it doesn't need to be. Any time a card refers to itself by name, it means "This exact specific object".

>>54801903
He meant the new ones.

>>54801685
I like that they're continueing the Magus line, even if Mind's Desire cheap.

>>54801838
on the flip side, it's really really easy to reanimate creatures.

>>54801903
Stop replying seriously to anyone who says "dies to removal".

>>54801930
Not that I doubt you, but what part of the rules says that? I need a reference to avoid confusion on my playgroup.

>>54801840
I'm aware. I'm just saying it's another "Untap ~" effect that's also acceptable as just a card in your deck. You play a bunch of Legendary Lands to make sure you have one to use, not to use it multiple times.

>>54801938
>Wasting an animate dead on this instead of worldgorger dragon
???

>>54801948
>Not that I doubt you, but I clearly doubt you

>>54801929
(You)

>>54801948
201.4. Text that refers to the object it's on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.

201.4b. If an ability of an object refers to that object by name, and an object with a different name gains that ability, each instance of the first name in the gained ability that refers to the first object by name should be treated as the second name.

>>54801685
YES

THIS PLEASES YIDRIS

>>54801958
Who said anything about 'waste'? There's plenty of re-usable recursion for creatures in Magic. Certainly more than there are for instants and sorceries.

>>54801959
lrn2rd

>>54801966
Thanks, anon.

>>54801948
Relevant ruling is Quicksilver Elemental, which applies to Kraj and Mairsil.
>The granted abilities effectively use “this permanent,” rather than “[that card’s name],” so you treat the abilities as if they were printed on Quicksilver Elemental. For example, you treat an ability that says “Sacrifice a creature: Nantuko Husk gets +2/+2 until end of turn” as “Sacrifice a creature: Quicksilver Elemental gets +2/+2 until end of turn.”

>>54801848
balls

ok add a fatestitcher and an akroma's memorial to increase trash levels.

>>54801939
>Mind's desire
>Potentially win that turn, needs super specific answers like stifle or mindbreak trap
>Magus
>Gets sword before it gets activated, loses you 4 Mana in the process
Wewew lad

>>54801685
>doesn't make you shuffle each time
Dumb and breaks the Magus cycle.

>>54801949
You're right.

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>>54802006
>Mind's Desire
You have to spend 6 mana the turn you play it, AFTER playing a bunch of spells to get the storm count up, and it still gets fucked by Flusterstorm, costing you 6 mana
>Magus
>If it dies, you can just bring it back with Genesis and try again over and over and over

>>54801848
Different guy, as far as I can tell, you're correct. I just spent the last 15 minutes trying to figure out a way to potentially make it work but looks like with those cards the timings just won't work out. Good catch.

>>54802010
Really surprised they went with a random storm spell for this in the first place. Does blue seriously have no iconic and powerful sorceries?

>>54802037
Not quite as interesting.

>>54802010
You actually don't need to shuffle between Mind's Desires. Shuffle means "randomize the cards within it so that no player knows their order," and after one shuffle no one will know the order.

>>54802037
Interdasting

>>54802010
>each time
There's only one time, dude. An activated ability can't have storm, so what they did was merge it together into "Shuffle your library, then exile the top X plus 1".

Honestly, "shuffle, then exile the top X plus 1" is how it's done 9 times out of 10 in a real game, just don't fuck with your deck between copies.

>>54801838
Did you even look at the deck this is in? The general will make a clone of it that has haste when it enters the battlefield. It also works with all other magus.

Also if this shit has haste it won't die to removal, maintain priority after cloning then sac it. You honestly sound like you don't know anything about magic and just parrot what other people say.

>>54802037
Eh

>>54802010
Magus of the Will doesn't work the same way the spell does either. If you cast someone else's Yawg Will, it will go to their yard but Magus won't.

You can't cast shit during his ability, so all cards are randomized.

>>54802037
So a two-color Tomorrow that only fucks with your normal draw, puts the cards in the graveyard instead of on bottom, and can eat dead cards to kill guys.

Meh.

>>54802074
You won't even need to "maintain priority". As Active Player, you'll have priority first as soon as an object on the stack resolves.

>>54802060
Are you suggesting Mind's Desire is not a powerful and iconic blue sorcery?

>>54801831
>Can I turn him into an aura?
Yes, I think you can. He won't have any "Enchanted creature blah blah blah" abilities but it could dodge spot removal.

>>54802037
Uh... what? Skip your draw step entirely just to get selection for FIVE mana?

>>54802049
Magus can be couriered by normal counterspells. Count the number of answers any deck packs against creatures vs the answers that are effective against mind. Mind's desire is superior in any way and playing the magus is just plain stupid

>>54802037
Fun with other effects that make you skip it.

>>54802037
Might actually see use in Legacy Dredge/Delve decks.

>>54802094
Its not on the same level as Wheel and Will to me.

>>54802097
There is exactly one eidolon that would work after you turn him into an aura.

But yeah, I'll try that.

>>54802104
And then it can be put back into your hand (or straight onto the field) much, much, much easier than a sorcery can be.

Yes, it can be stopped. SO can Mind's Desire, and Mind's Desire is a lot harder to re-use.

>>54802074
So you actually need an specific Commander to make this work? What a shit card

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>>54800788

>>54802104
Creatures are easier to recur, is the primary tradeoff.

>>54802037
Not terrible, but not on level with Other Taigam.

>>54802037
L O W
O
W

P O W E R

>>54802118
I'm holding out for Magus of the Force (of Will)

>>54802037
Not breakable imo.
Once per turn cycle trigger is meh, it's nice to dump the other two in the GY for pseudo card advantage but at that point I'd prefer Tomorrow. Cool for a dimir sylvan library though. Also works nicely with necropotence. Neat removal clause though.
6/10 for Johnny potential
8/10 for balanced card potential.

>>54802117
Pfft, not even close. Not at 5 mana.

>>54802118
There's a Magus for Cursed Scroll, anon. Your standards are a bit high.

>>54802060
Magus of the Timetwister would have been a better choice but this is still cool.

>>54802063
Yeah I know you don't actually do it in practice but the card is worded that way.

>>54802102
It's not like you don't still get a draw for the turn. Think of it as turning your draw step into Strategic Planning. That alone is pretty meh for the cost, but killing something every turn for 1 mana makes up for it IMO.

>>54802168
I would have preferred Magus of the Spiral. Timetwister is too close to Wheel of Fortune.

>>54802124
Yeah, the probability and speed are better. Less probability of your opponent having answers and is faster. You don't need to recñuse it because if you cast mind's desire and don't win on the spot, your deck is shit

>>54802141
I'm okay with him not being "4 mana when ~ attacks and isn't blocked you win the game" like his UW counterpart. Plus, killing something every turn isn't bad.

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>>54800788

>>54802166
Cursed Scroll was a powerhouse in its day, to be fair.

>>54802127
Infinite tapped tokens at sorcery speed this time. Earthcraft and squirrels nest is better.

>>54802191
I mean, I cast Mind's Desire and don't win all the time because it's in a goofy comboless U/R Spellslinging deck where the point is just to huck big fun spells at things.

>>54800788
>tfw me and two other guys are going to test the precons against each other
>tfw got the vampire deck

I really hope granddaddy markov is going to be fun.

>>54802118
I guess you don't play vintage.

>>54802217
This combo gets dumber by the second.

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So, Blighted Bat is too cute for Mairsil, right? I'd be better off with this guy?

>>54802196
Not every spell you can rebound will end the game. People really blow this shit out of proportion.

>>54802220
Mind's Desire was a powerhouse in its day, to be fair.

>>54802150
>Cool for a dimir sylvan library though.
Although Sylvan Library reads roughly:
>At the beginning of your draw step, draw two additional cards unless you're fucking dead.

>>54801643
>>mfw 5c needs 10 fetches/shocks
>not playing 5c basic.deck
just overload on forests and rely on rampant growth to both ramp and color fix

>>54802247
Yeah. I mean, I'd prefer static haste-granters like Fervor and Anger, but if you want an activated haste-giver, go with Stalker. It's not utter trash on its own, and the first strike/firebreathing might actually come in handy if you just need to send Mairsil to pound town.

>>54802252
It still is, unlike cursed scroll.

>>54802262
Snapcaster Babe.

>>54802237
The deck looks to be Black Boris at this point

Which I guess could be fun for some people

>

>>54802240
>timetwister
>vintage
>in 2017
grognard stormfag detected

>>54802262
Better than Snapcaster Waifu, because it's not 'exile it period'. If it would go to your hand or library it actually GOES there.

She'd be fun with Buyback.

>>54802264
I have Sylvan Library in my GW lifegain deck and it basically reads "Draw 2 cards"

>>54802262
>during each of your turns

Not upkeep, I like it. A bit uninspired though.

TRICOLOR FAGS

FUCKING
LEAVE

>>54802262
Jesus fucking Christ.

Wow. Fuck Jeleva, right?

>>54802262
Boner achieved

>>54802262
>Equip with Assault Suit
>Everyone gets Flashback
Dis gon' b fun

>>54802217
I'm kinda tired of thinking through these !combos . Think about what starts on your board and what starts in your hand and take a few moments to see if you actually have a loop before you post please.

>>54802166
Cursed Scroll is absolutely iconic. It is weak now but was an important card when it was newer.

Mind's Desire is also a card that great decks have been built around. It has been banned for a good reason, just like Yawgmoth's Will and Wheel of Fortune.

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>>54802262
>loss has no meaning here
>can play the instant loss combo with her as commander

>>54802262
JELEVA

B T F O
T
F
O

>>54802288
>Not playing paradoxical outcome into timetwister into yawgmoths will.
Spot the Timmy shithead

>>54802272
Anger and Fervor get exiled or destroyed. Shit that is caged is safe from everything but processors, riftsweeper and pull.

It seems way better to just have that basically written on your General from then on.

>>54802330
The fuck am I looking at

>>54802037
oh shid
not amazing but I want it

>>54802262
Welp looks like dralnu is now outdated. Time to build grixis lich donate.

>>54802262
Well, I guess I need to add another color to Dralnu. R.I.P my wallet.

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>>54802242
u aint seen nuthin yet

>>54802182
Time Spiral then? It's just more expensive Timetwister with an untap. Twister is more iconic and powerful.

>>54802262
Now this one might replace Jeleva for Storm decks. They wouldn't even have to replace anything in the 99 for her, just swap the commander and she's already there to help increase storm count.

>>54802344
>Anger gets destroyed
...yes, that'd be preferable.

>>54802217
Cloudstone Curio would work instead of Pranksters.

>>54802262
Good thing I preordered the wizard deck today

>>54802330
Begone, B^U

>>54802262
What is that background? Grixis?

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>>54802346

>>54802350
>>54802351

kek, Dralnu players BTFO

>>54802346
After all the hints, you still failed.
Maybe you're just new.

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>>54802262

>>54802346
Man, check your memes.

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>>54802330
Holy fuck.

>>54802049
on your storm turn you would rather pay U than 4UU

>>54802371
Looks like it might be the ruins of Bala Ged.

>>54802262
>each of your turns
>not each turn
Dagnabbit!

>>54802264
I said pseudo because it's a "look at 3 put 1 in hand" there's less rules weirdness to abuse but other than specific cases they are similar for average play levels.

So, with all the legendaries spoiled, what's the best deck?

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>>54802262
It's too short to be bend knee, right?

>>54802360
I meant respectively, dummy. Graveyard hate abound.

>>54802333
>letting your opponent cast spells
>not accepting your new robot overlords
>not embracing the superiority of the spheres

>>54802141
too bad its not in white
come one eidolon of rhetoric

>>54802399
There are eyes on the stairs. The Eldrazi aren't big on eyes.

>>54802262
Look at all those masterballs.

>>54802415
>One legged futa waifu
YES

>>54802414
Wizards.

I'm sad too.

>>54802415
So olivia finally gets competition?

>>54802414
Wizards, no contest in case of the new cards, but who knows about the reprints.

>>54802418
Oh sure, in the magic fucking christmasland where they always have Swords to Plowshares and Return to Dust for the cards I suggest, but nobody ever runs Riftsweeper or Pull from Eternity or any processors against your "all my shit is in exile" deck, then absolutely your choices are better, you slack jawed fucking mongoloid

>>54802415
It's at an angle and she's short.

>>54802420
Paradoxical can win before you put any sphere on the battl

>>54802371
Judging from the meat mountains and flavor text, maybe she's one of the last remnants of the humans on Equilor?

>>54802414
Wizards, and I'm really happy about it.

>>54802371
I'm thinking Equilor.
Which, if true, has my boner looking exactly like those stairs.

>>54802448
To be fair it's much more easier for peoplw to run Swords than processors.

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>>54802429
The Kozilek brood is literally covered in fucking eyes

I don't care if the Cats deck is bad, I like the idea of cat tribal enough to get it anyways

>>54802452
And you can, in theory, lose your virginity. Both are incredibly unlikely.

>>54802436
>The storm oriented deck is better
Let's see if fucking timmyfags understand once and for all why MTG is not about creatures

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>>54802429
Think again fucko.

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>>54802429

>>54802374
BTFO? Nah man, I just got a better commander with more options. I not loyal to the individual cards, there's a better version of a very specific strategy available now. More like enabled. (unless there are dralnu players who abused the tap ability with things like swords of paruns but I never bothered with that)

>>54802480
>I don't care if the Cats deck is bad, I like the idea of cat tribal enough to get it anyways

Rats would have been more fun and you know it.

>>54802333
>>54802452
Paradoxical is a fad deck. Normal storm is more consistent and has better game against blue.

>>54802262
Anyone got a link to the art?

>>54802484
>why MTG is not about creatures
>what makes the deck better are it's creatures
Really firing my synapses.

>>54802503
Risky, but I like it.

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>>54802482
>Goes ad hominem
>Negates that a deck designed to win in T1 50% of time can reliably crush a deck with no turn 0 interaction.
Wewew lad

>>54802262
That's in. Wizard is the Meren/Atraxa of this set.

>>54802503
Risky, but seems fun.

>>54802448
Yes, more people run removal like Akroma's Vengeance and Scavenging Ooze than Processors and Pull from Eternity.

More power to ya, man. I don't think it is particularly Christmas land to say they'll get rid of the thing giving haste to your general rather than cards that are imprinted giving haste to him.

>>54802102
Yes, that's all the card does. It doesn't have an ability you can activate for removal, nor does it have a 3/4 body attached to it. No, that's all the card does.

>>54802415
Wtf is with WotC doing this stupid bent leg pose for flying characters. Zur and Olivia both have it and now this. It just leads to unintentional futa log boners by the artist.

how would you rank the 4 decks in terms of being fun to play based on what we've seen so far?

>>54802534
Inb4 cat deck has Sword of Fire and Ice or something.

>>54802503
High risk, high reward? I'm into it.

>>54802503
this looks like the type of fun card the format deserves

>>54802523
Watch http://izzymedrano.deviantart.com/gallery/, that'll probably be where it's posted.
>>54802565
Wizards>Cats>Vamps>Dragons

>>54802496
You can still go berserk off Dralnu and a Paradox Engine. I think I'm going to keep that deck together, I like dropping Tendrils for a million

>>54802531
>uses a reaction image and a "logical fallacy" as a substitute for an argument
>forgets Mindbreak Trap exists
>grossly exaggerates his deck's average speed
Wewewew laddie

>>54802557
As someone who can fly, it's more comfortable that way

>>54802569
Nah, just Allied Swords

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>>54802557
Atleast Zur got new art.

>>54802503
Thank you for not forgetting red.

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>>54802557
>unintentional

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>>54802557
>unintentional

>>54802611
And it's far worse than the original.

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>>54802594
>Wewewew
>>54802531
>Wewew

>>54802557
Zur has his leg bent because he's dancing in mid air. Bragos legs are straight, Kaalia's just showing off some thigh.

>>54802565
Honestly dragons=cats>wizards>vamps so far. Not much has been revealed yet but I think the cats are surprisingly viable due to the voltron/equipment support. I was expecting better things from vamps but right now they're boros plus black rather than orzhov plus red like I hoped for. #marduisn'tboros

>>54802611
If the hair isn't standing up, it's not Zurr

>>54802611
I'm all for new art and reprints but !Loki can fuck off.

>>54802628
wewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewew

>>54802595
But why not just amputate your legs at that point? They don't serve a purpose anymore. You can fucking fly, any not fly all the time? Plus, you don't have to buy any more pants.

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>>54802671
He always looked like that.

>>54802708
How are you going to do a dynamic entry kick from the stratosphere without legs?

>>54802514
A fad that has existed for nearly a year.

>>54802708
What's the point of flying if you can't do flying kicks?

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>>54802718
>>54802725
Kickmind.

>>54802725
>>54802718
What's the point of having magical powers to the point of constant inate levitation if you still rely on your physical form for your shows of power?

>>54802169
That seems crazy to me. Nowadays you can get an EXTRA draw for FOUR mana used to be THREE, and also still do additional things, like Queen Marchesa. I know it kills something for 1 and a tap which is fine but still.

>>54802752
Anyone who can fly will tell you kicking people is the best part of it.

>>54802708
You'll still have to buy pants unless you go full genie "smoke below the waist" which comes with its own disadvantages. And you won't be able to gracefully settle your boot on the face of your defeated foe anymore.

>>54802715
>black hair looks like white hair
OK anon

>>54802387
a man of culture

>>54802767
You're never too full of magical power to have fun, anon.

>>54802720
Breaking news: Barely-played format with near-zero coverage and high cost to buy new decks is slow to adapt. More on this at 11. Now onto Patrick with a report on why the sky is blue and water is wet.

>>54802795
Pretty sure his hair isn't pitch black unless you think the fur around his shoulders is also black which is pretty ridiculous.

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>>54802801
Fun with magic is turning heroes into giant feet and birds inside out.

>>54802715
lewd

>>54802813
To be honest, I'd like to hear why water is wet. That sounds interesting.

>>54802795
Yeah, I guess I didn't realize how dark it was in the other art rather than just shadow.

I'm retarded, please fuck my face. I assume he was supposed to be younger in that art, but I understand your frustration.

>>54802371
I would have guessed Vryn (Jace's Home world) but the rebels are called Separatists not Dissidents there. Eyes, bones, teeth, and ruins suggest Grixis may well be the safe call.

>>54802813
Or it's a good deck that can hang in the strongest format there is, and has done so for nearly a year now with no signs of it fading away as a gimmick.

Clearly vintage daily results must be wrong though, because some anon says so.

>>54802776
Right, but killing shit for cheap is the main attraction. The upkeep trigger just helps enable it. He's still on the weak side, but I think you're looking at him from the wrong angle.

>>54802767
If I ever reach a level of magical ability where I cannot enjoy the simple pleasure of jump-kicking a motherfucker from a half mile away, I will rescind my magic and become a dirt farmer on principle.

>>54802832
"Wet" isn't an actual state, it's the word we use to describe "the sensation of water."

>>54802824
Fun is fun, anon. Sometimes you want to curse people and warp the laws of reality, sometimes it's just really fun to kick a dude.

>>54802813
>with a report on why the sky is blue and water is wet.
Your analogy fails because those both have fairly complicated science answers. ESPECIALLY why water is wet.

>>54802589
>http://izzymedrano.deviantart.com/gallery
>DRUMPF

lel

>>54802846
Maybe I am. I was looking at it as the mai neffect being turning your draw step into taigam's scheming but I guess they do cost tap kill guys pretty high usually. They're also usually pretty bad because of it but yeah.

>>54802854
But why water has the tactile qualities it does is pretty fascinating.

>>54802822
Looks pretty black to me. I don't think it's a whitegold/blackblue dress thing but eh. I'm thinking more about the facial structure.
>>54802835
LOL, the age thing is a decent argument. Head canon altered.

>>54802037
Not near as much to build around as the other Taigam, but kinda nifty I guess.

>>54802589

I'd say Dragons>Vamps, the main one for Dragons is good and Ramos could be even cEDH good. For vampires all of them are stupid aggro garbage.

>>54802873
Aww the poor artist is a retard :(

>>54802596
I was really hoping your spoiler was CATterskull.

>>54802842
>the meta adapts slowly
>yeah but it's doing well in the meta so it must be good
>thinking.jpg

>>54802902

This card is very cool

>>54802902
I'm sorry but I really wish they would stop this shit. Polymorphing shit is NOT GOOD. I don't even get how it's supposed to help red's long game which is why it was shifted over in the first place.

>>54802865
You can get into very technical descriptions of why the sky is blue but it has a rather simple explanation. Air shoots blue and purple light around a lot more than red and yellow light, and humans see more blue than purple.

>>54802902
Hm.

Hmmmm.

>>54802902
If the creature has indestructible/regeneration, you keep it around AND get a new one. Neat.

>>54802851
>>54802858
Fair enough, I've always favored noncorporeal forms when it comes to that level of power. Restricting your psychology and world view by maintaining your birth form has always seemed like an unnecessary limitation to me. You have a body rather than you are a body type of thing.

>>54802902
>put it on indestructible creature
>???
>profit

>>54802902
Yeah idk

>>54802902

>Shifting Shadow and indestructible

Neat

>>54802927
>Play Token creation effects
>Have library full of powerful creatures
>Polymorph the tokens into good creatures

>>54802902
Neat card. Seems like it would be fun in my Marchesa deck, since you can reanimate the creature with Marchesa's trigger after it gets destroyed.

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>>54802902
>this and Eldrazi Monument

>>54802902
Sounds like proteus staff style tech to me. Secret spellslinger commanders here I come

So now that the last new card has revealed, what are everyone's overall thoughts?

>>54802940
>>54802950
>>54802962
Problem is you'd just slap the Aura onto the new creature, which probably does NOT have indestructible.

>>54803013
>he doesn't play an indestructible tribal

>>54802927
Shifting red to care about long game is what turns red into not red.

This helps Red be explosive, which is the point of red. Stack some Goblin tokens and go to town.

>>54802902
Is it the last new card of the set?

>>54802503
Oooh, delicious. Wizards is definitely the best deck.

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>>54803013
>Tfw you reveal Avacyn

>>54803035
Yep. http://www.mtgsalvation.com/spoilers/184-commander-2017 is the entire set of 56 new cards.

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>>54803046

>>54803008
The secondary generals ended up exciting me much more than anticipated. I'm incredibly hype for them.

>>54803046
Ouch.

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How do I make her work?

>>54803056
So Vampires is the only deck that doesn't get a 4th legendary?

>>54803065
Same here; Eminence is garbage design but each tribe has at least one commander I like. Definitely picking up Wizards for Mairsil.

>>54803130
>MonoW
>Oketra at that
>work
I don't know how to tell you this, anon.

>>54803130
You don't. She's bad because she wants to be voltron but needs to go wide.
Now go look at the cat deck spoilers and build around one of them because they're someone playable.

>>54803034
People always have big dreams about cards like this turning tokens into real things but I have never seen an actually good deck materialize from that, and we're getting a ton of redundancy nowadays because of how often wizards is dipping into this effect. It's just not a thing.

He's talked about it a lot but this http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/aether-way-part-3-2017-01-30 is the easiest reference I could find to the usage of these effects being meant as a way to help red's long game, just in a way that felt red by being random. Specifically they feel these effects are equivalent to removal which is absolutely absurd but whatever.

>>54803130
Take a commander that has white as PART of its color identity

put Oketra in the 99

>>54803203
> She's bad because she wants to be voltron but needs to go wide.
It's funny how they keep making mono-white Legendaries that simultaneously want you to go Voltron AND go wide, and do both poorly.

>>54803130
Just play Khemba if you have a cat fetish. Sick fuck.

>>54803130
I wish she made cats. What a waste, printing this so close to the cat deck and missing the synergy.

>>54803204
Baral Polymorph was one of the top decks for 1v1 commander on MTGO. Obviously it's not exactly the same, but don't pretend like these effects never work.

>>54802611
Is that Geddy Lee?