Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

Only scrubs take HP damage.

What race not mentioned as Legacy or Core do you want to hear about? How do you think they fared in The Gap?

>>54738416
>Anime OP
I guess at least it was posted on page 8.

>>54738416
Beats having to force someone to be the healslut.

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>>54723834
Alright, so where were we...
Tactical Rules?

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>>54738445
Catfolk, but after looking at OP's image I think they would all have been better off lost to the gap.

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>>54738416
I'm not really thinking about that.

If the PCs get to a high enough level in my PF/Forgotten Realms game, I might use some of the Starfinder material to make a Spelljammer game.

Right now, they have to race a group of orcs to some ancient Imaskari ancient India ruins in Chessenta Hellenic Greece and hold it until backup arrives.

I just finished designing the half-orc Hawkguard that's going to pin them down for a while.

Okay, maybe I missed something a few dozen Paizo threads ago, by why is every OP image a catgirl?

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>>54738487

>>54738445
TELL ME ABOUT GILLMEN

AZLANT'S LEGACY MUST PERSEVERE

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>>54738507

>>54738487
Sweet! After those, can we get the ability score generation rules?

>>54738504
Because the same guy posts all the OP's by doing it before page 10.

>>54738509
THE AZLANTI STAR EMPIRE LIVES.

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>>54738518

>>54738522
We already got those, spud.

>>54738487
Oh baby, I've been waiting all day for you!

>>54738507
What the heck is that thing the Kasatha's stabbing?

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What class makes the best warlords, political and military leaders, tricksters and strategists? What class is more likely to end up ruling his own kingdom?

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>>54738538

>>54738416
Why are we combined thread again? There was a starfinder general.

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>>54738560

>>54738502
I might end up doing something similar

>>54738495
Catfolk are in Starfinder, they're a subjugated race of the Veskarium and a constant thorn in the Vesk's side because they're staunchly non-hostile.

>>54738567
Because the split is pointless when both threads talk about starfinder anyway

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>>54738571

>>54738567
Because discussion of starfinder in starfinder general was glacial- Meanwhile, there was plenty of starfinder discussion in the pfg thread.
Did you notice, or did you come in to complain for no reason?

Any Chance we'll also see Magic, tonight, LeakAnon?

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>>54738587

>>54738539
I guess I missed those. I will go look.
...Also, spud's my new favorite nickname.

>>54738592
Because if there was starfinder discussion HERE, then it should have been moved over THERE.

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>>54738601
Possible, though there's a LOT of tactical stuff.

>>54738632

>>54738559
mesmerist and bard covers most of those.

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>>54738657

>>54738650
Then why didn't YOU say something about it last thread if there was something so bad about it?

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>>54738672

>>54738657

You have my endless thanks! This is amazing and I know it takes a lot of work to scrub these documents.

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>>54738692

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>>54738708

>>54738601
>>54738657
Booo no magic! This is a scifi game I want Starships! Or setting info.......or magic I guess

>>54738692

Is there anything anywhere else in the book that has size change anything? As right now it seems like large creatures (Like power armour) have hilariously low carrying capacity for their size.

>>54738560
So this is basically Pathfinder 2.0 with minimal combat changes?

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>>54738725

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>>54738747

>>54738734
Just be glad Leakanon is releasing anything at all. They don't have to do this.

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>>54738762

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>>54738785

>>54738739
That's pretty much what it was billed as. they basically just stepped away from the fantasy genre so that they could flip the board as far as classes and magic were concerned. It'd be pretty easy to run a fantasy campaign in Starfinder.

>>54738487

Please post setting!

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>>54738798

>>54738739
The math on the back end is a bit easier to manage. Standardization of bonuses, less bookkeeping for magic users, and stuff like that. But yeah, its basically pathfinder 2.0, to the point that a lot of people are thinking that starfinder is just them testing the waters for an ACTUAL Pathfinder 2e.

>>54738658

What kind of bard/mesmerist?

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>>54738817

>>54738487
Hellknights please

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>>54738828

>No rules for how mounts work in the movement section
So... how... do mounts work? Specifically mechanic drones with the mount option? Does the mount move AFTER your turn is completed, cause that would be pretty bullshit.

Someone said you could use a move action command your mount to take its move action on your turn, but I'm not seeing any actual rules for that anywhere.

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>>54738632
>being at negative HP drains your Resolve

Wow, being knocked unconscious sucks.

>>54738871
WELL I GUESS THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, DOESN'T IT?

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>>54738601
Fuck magic we've been waiting on starships since it was that or tacticals last night!

We need us some hardcore ship on star action.

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>>54738871

>>54738855
I imagine it works the same way in Pathfinder; it moves on your turn, effectively, so you can just have it take its action whenever.

>>54738883
Sick art.

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>>54738883

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>>54738572
Which part?

The Indian ruins, Orc army, or Spelljammer?

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>>54738895

I want to marry a Lashunta!

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>>54738910

>>54738895
>you get a bonus to attack people behind you
>not getting a bonus to attack a chased target you're closing in on with plasma cannons

it's shit, senpai

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>>54738932
Magic and/or Spells

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>>54738657

>weapon damage rolls that rely on Dexterity (such as operative weapons)

Do operative weapons allow the user to add their Dexterity modifier even to the damage roll?

>>54738932
>Buddy
>Sssazza
>Cha'lak
>Merris
One of these things is not like the other.

>>54738912
Do not.

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>>54738942
YOU CAN'T JUST SKIP 40 PAGES LIKE THAT

>>54738902
Spelljammer, although I'm doing an ebberon-ish game so it might fit.

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>>54738985

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>>54738942
OH
BABY

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>>54739021

>>54739003
>Token Spell
PRESTIDIGITATION STILL HERE TRIUNE BE PRAISED

>>54739003
>gravitational singularity
>make a black hole
>"12d6"
What the fuck?

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>>54739038

>>54738571
>if you are hit with an attack of opportunity when casting a spell, you lose the spell

Oh shit, that's a huge change.

Can caothics and lawful get along?

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>>54739061

>>54739054
Yes.

G/E Axis has always been way more important to how people get on than the L/C axis.

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>>54739076

>>54739076
>death effect spells that don't actually deal instant death
>again
Holy shit fuck off already

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Friendly reminder that /pgg/ /pfg/ /sfg/ now has a Starfinder Discord cabal here:

https://discord.gg/YAk263j

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>>54739089

>>54739094
>making a zillion cabals for no reason

>>54739094
where did you get that awoo

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>>54739104

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>>54739116

>>54739094
Warning for 2hucord

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>>54739130

>>54739076
I want an army of disposable zombie soldiers!

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>>54739146
Goddamn there's a lot of these pages.

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>>54739160
>haste lets martials move and full attack

WE 3.0 BOYS
SO HAPPY

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>>54739216

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>>54739232

>>54739160
>>54739230
TBQH senpai I would be down as fuck if people decided to backport Starfinder Haste

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>>54739242

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>>54739258

>>54739248
I mean, the problem with 3.0 haste was that it let casters doublecast, so they ripped out the extra action properties of haste without adjusting the monster math, and the result is martials have to stand still or suck, and can't buy boots of haste to give themselves their mobility back.

This change is a loooooooong time coming and I'm so happy it's finally happened

>>54739283
I still don't fucking get why it wasn't changed to this to begin with

>>54739283
Doublecastng when???

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>>54739272

You are magnificent, LeakAnon! So patient and dedicated.

You rock and we all love you!

I'm compiling everything you're posting in order into individual chapter PDFs. Once the last file is ready, I'll compile them all into a single PDF in order and post it for everyone's enjoyment!

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>>54739303

>>54739294
Because WotC are hacks, then paizo said "muh backwards compatibility"

The best part is that 3.5 introduced metamagic rods of quicken, so casters could doublecast again anyway.

>>54739303
>snuff life
>uses CR as the tipping point
Ah yes Paizo tell me more about how you want to stop DMs from adjusting monsters on the fly

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>>54739316

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How are you going to personalize your room on the ship, laddies?

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>>54739332

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OFFICIAL STARFINDER TIER LIST:

Mid/High Tier 3: Operative
Somewhere in Tier 3: Mystic, Technomancer
Low Tier 3/High Tier 4: Mechanic (drone), Soldier
Low Tier 4/High Tier 5: Mechanic (exocortex), Solarian
Low Tier 5: Envoy

So now that we've seen spells, WHERE in tier 3 are Mystic and Technomancer?

>>54739351
Low Tier 3.

>>54739351
>>54739361
Fuck off tierfags

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>>54739345
Alright, and that's the end of spells. I'm out until tomorrow, where we'll be finishing up the book with the Starship rules, GM info, and Setting info.

>>54739377

Thanks friend!

>>54739333
With the heads of my vanquished foes.

Awesome, man. Take care and thanks.

>>54739377
>TFW you have to wait another day for the only sections you wanted to se early.

>>54739377
Art as well, please.

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Leakanon, I want to name a NPC in my Starfinder homebrew after you. Do you have a preference?

>>54739377
Thank god I really need some starship info to star plans for the actual campaign. My players are almost done with player creation and here I am thumb up my ass.

>>54739377
Thank you anon.

>>54739398
Right?

>>54739377

Good night, and God bless, Leakanon.

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>>54739283
>>54739294
>>54739318
>mfw it's highly likely many GM's will never EVER consider backporting this
>mfw pathfinder won't at least get a "greater haste" spell that tacks the move action on

kill me now, KILL ME NOW

>tfw not hype for Starfinder at all
I feel like I should just stay out of these threads for a while because I have nothing to contribute.

>>54739448
What's the problem with Starfinder, the genre or the setting? You could totally try and convince us that we should get hyped for using the Starfinder rules for a Cyberpunk campaign, or heck even a near-future one!

>>54739447
Mythic Haste does grant an extra Move.
I know, it's a far cry from just a 'Greater Haste' option, but you could use it anyway, and just add it as a regular spell at higher level or something.

>>54739447
>>54739294
It was and has existed in 3.5. It was called "Hustle".

>>54739465
Shadowrun using Starfinder rules?

>>54739465
[He] isn't hyped you idiot, why the fuck would he try to get you hyped for it?

>>54739447
The best thing i've been able to wangle out of most DMs is being able to move at half speed and full attacking, which gives haste back it's 3.0 function, while also reducing stand still or suck, and gives classes like monks an incentive to pump their movement speed

This is amazing. Thank you so much for posting this stuff up Leakanon.

Does anyone have a link to the pages on Character creation. I haven't been able to chase those down.

>>54739465
All of the above+Mechanics. I see nothing that inspires me or makes me want to actually play this.

>>54739474
Yeah!

>>54739481
>and gives classes like monks an incentive to pump their movement speed
Monks already move as fast in a standard action as most classes do during a charge.

>>54739377
Is anyone going to archive Leakanon's posts tomorrow? They are probably going to return when I am at work, and I really want to see those last three section that they have been edging us with.

>>54739501
I think i worded that poorly, i mean that monks, who normally have their fast movement working against flurry of blows now actually become highly mobile full attackers, giving them a niche.

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Exploratory mission into the Vast to prospect for rare pharmaceuticals, minerals and gasses when?

>>54739529
Ah I see

>>54739560
Fuck that, revenge on the Starfinder Society when?

Anybody have a backlink to the equipment section for starfinder?

>>54739494
I actually agree, yeah. I'm trying to follow it closely to see if there's something that's gonna convince me, but I just can't really find it.
My problem is that I already play Dark Heresy for my Sci-Fi fix, and I just don't really see why I would drop that to play this instead.

>>54739472
>>54739473
Using Mythic content scaled to normal PF or 3.5e content in general still boils down to "boy I sure hope my GM is smart/nice enough to do this", which is... Well, about as likely for most groups as backporting Starfinder Haste would be. Which is what is frustrating as shit. Most GM's WILL NOT consider this. Hell, I somehow think it'll get nerfed/errata'd by whiny PFS-tier faggotry.

>>54739598
Operative becoming Rogue tier inc

I want to explore a massive planetoid, which upon closer inspection is really an ever-growing mass of derelict ships all connected together that moves through space of its own volition! Each new ship that docks to explore it never leaves, and its crew is lost to the universe!

>>54739472
You can use the Ascendent Spell option, which lets you ape Mythic...for +5 Spell Level.

So who's going to step up and run the Dark Sci-Fi Rapeventure of Starfinder?

>>54739760
No don't.

>>54739774
A large enough amount of people want this game that a DM will emerge in time

Are we going to have to homebrew rules for self-repairing bodysuits that get torn off midcombat? Or will that just be refluff of stamina damage or something?

At 8th level, Operatives get Triple Attack. Is this worth using over Trick Attack + Debilitating Trick? What about Quad Attack at 13th level?

>>54739820
Depends on your weapon and the target's AC.

Feats page? Thanks for the pages leakanon!

>>54739407
Just call them lea'kanon

>>54739902
Nice.

I might make my Bombadier Leah "Cannon".

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>>54739038
So Bestow Curse still totally wrecks anyone?

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>>54739061

Commune with Nature seems like a terribly niche spell for 13th-level characters in a science fiction setting.

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>>54739942

Curses are no joke, anon.

>>54740013
>tfw will never be the best at blowjobs

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Anyone else have trouble playing a paladin starting at low levels?

On top of the standard stuff that makes roleplaying a paladin hard, it seems to me that being a paladin should be a prestige class to work towards rather than something you start out as. I get that I could always start out as an inexperienced squire type, but I feel like that limits roleplaying opportunities even more.

Thoughts?

>>54740001

Are you kidding? You land on an alien planet, you better know a thing or two about what nature is like there, and if you don't, you better start asking in a hurry.

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Why aren't we talking about this?

>>54740068
What is there to talk about?

>>54740068
Because starfinder

>>54739094
>garbage discord with murderous autist
Fuck 2hu and fuck your discord Arkwright.

>>54740068
Hm, looks kind of like an exploration-focused one. I can see a bit of new world conquest going on...which means the villains are probably all going to be evil WHITE MALE spaniard-analogues.

>>54740093
Actually I think they're psychic fish.

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>>54739130

Is Fear as a 3rd/4th-level spell one of the most no-nonsense methods of instantly ending an encounter in Starfinder?

>>54740093
The enemy is actually a Veiled Master turning the local fish into gargantuan monstrosities to wipe out Humanity.

>>54740104
Nah, that's bound to be the villain at the outset. Then Paizo pulls their BIG TWIST in book 4 and you end up fighting something completely different.

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>>54740068
This is a Shoanti huntress.

>>54740153
Wanna bet she has dumped WIS?

>>54740093
Fuck off back to /pol/.

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>>54740093
Sounds familiar

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>>54740093
>Hm, looks kind of like an exploration-focused one. I can see a bit of new world conquest going on...

It's actually a COLONIZATION campaign, the party are sent to a fragment of the lost continent of Azlant by an Andoran corporation as the second wave of colonists to a settlement they set up, the first four books are dedicated to maintaining the colony and gathering resources, while the last two books are dealing with the BBEG who's been experimenting on the colonists since for-fucking-ever.

>>54740188
I don't need to be a fucking /pol/tard to be sick of Paizo's fake-progressivism. But in all honesty, any conquistadores along for the ride are probably--for better or worse--going to be just strawmen for you to disprove. Like the asshole noble in WotR.

>>54740174
>preparing charm person intensifies

>>54740174
>Ranger
>Dumped Wis

Anon....

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?479554-Unchained-Monk-Guide-YOU-ARE-ALREADY-DEAD

>>54740153
Not muscular enough.

>>54740153
She's pretty cute

>>54740259

Wouldn't be the first time. There was a Sheriff in Hell's Vengeance unable to use spells.

>>54740277
what did he mean by this

>>54740277
Fuck off Secret Wizard, you don't even know how to play the game.

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Are mystics and technomancers low, mid, or high tier 3?

>>54740285
Shoanti don't have to be muscular!

I wanna play a game where I can bully everyone

>>54740277
>Pretending that Secret Wizard knows his ass from his elbow when it comes to Pathfinder

>>54740332
That's every game, anon. What would make the ideal bully for a /pfg/ campaign, anyway? I was tempted to write an attractive older woman who's aggressive about pushing away the competition, but that's horribly laser-focused on smut and a single gender.

>>54740334
>secret wizard

he and disk are the reasons why I never go to the pathfinder rpg reddit.

>>54740078
Starfinder is both hot fucking garbage, and also has its own damn trash general to shit up, /pgg/ has been a mistake from day 1 and should have stayed as /pfg/.

>>54740321
In PF? Low Tier 3.

In SF? They're Tier 1.

>>54740346
STR-focused pin build

>>54738507
>10 rounds in 1 minute
Minute duration buffs now suddenly more powerful

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>>54740356
Stuff yourself up your own bleeding cunt you fuck.

>>54740354
>he and disk are the reasons why I never go to the pathfinder rpg reddit.

Friendo, I don't even post there; but witch hunt harder next time.

>>54740389
...

Anon.

It's that way in Pathfinder too.

>>54740346
>ideal bully
You're asking to go down in history as an IDrive-level That Guy. "Bullying" has become a devalued term in /pfg/ but the truth of the matter is that you're basically advertising yourself as being an asshole who wants to ruin everyone else's fun.

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>>54740052

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>>54739316

Supercharge Weapon looks to be the single most effective method of taking out major enemies at low levels. 4d6 damage is a *massive* spike in damage, especially considering that an azimuth artillery laser deals only 1d10 damage.

>>54740063
>dat limited radius

>>54740408
The Chosen One archetype is your friend, and goes a long way to showing off how a level 1 character could be a focus of their celestial patron. Otherwise, I agree that it's terribly awkward but you should really just try and bull through that until you hit level 3, when you can really start pushing the idea that you're a good ole boy of God.

>>54740431

Knowing what's within thirteen miles of your landing/crash site is better than not knowing what's within thirteen yards.

>>54740403
Wait, I thought it was five rounds for a minute...Crap I need to tell my group

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>>54740063
The only thing we need to know about the nature is whether or not we can have sex with it.

Which Druid spell is that?

>>54738587
>Full Attacks are complete dogshit if you aren't using a machine gun
>Can't take Swifts during a full action
Is this bad for martials or anyone who wants to use melee weapons? Because this looks like it would be a hindrance to anyone wanting to wade in and swing around a lightsaber or batleth

>>54740528

Well, melee weapons seem like they scale really, REALLY well, judging by some of the late-game nonsense. Might be that full attacks won't be as integral to melee as they used to be.

>>54740332
Me too, anon. Me too.

>>54740332
>want to be good at intimidate
>but also want to be good at other things
>not even being a fighter can let me branch out to multiple things very well

>>54740068
Looking over the campaign traits, I fully expect to see nothing but parties full of pathfinder society recruits in RoA campaigns.

>>54740332
>>54740346
Play an Order of the Cockatrice cavalier. You are literally obligated to bully people then.

Just grab Hurtful to go with your Dazzling Display and you can get an attack on top of your AoE debuff every turn.

>>54740408
Honestly, it all depends on the character; but the thing that stands out the most to me is the realization that a 1st level PC ain't shit. They're better than the average chucklefuck on the street, but when compared to anything else, they're green as hell.

Most classes spell that out in the mechanics (Alchemists are chucking fire crackers, while Wizards have 2 spells before being tapped), but Paladin hides it in the fluff. Paladins are essentially holy warriors, foot soldiers for their god/ideal's army, thus I play them like a kid just out of basic training. They've got knowledge, they've got training, but no real idea of how those things interact with the real world. Your low level paladins are more likely to see the world purely in black and white, to make tactical miscalculations, to fail, and to chafe against their oaths. Part of their arc is learning to not just be Lawful and Good, but to be Lawful Good, to temper the iron justice of the law with warm mercy of good, or to apply discipline and purpose to controlling their emotions and urges.

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>>54740640
I want to play a Resourceful character because this campaign sounds deceptively SoL.

>>54740365
>In SF? They're Tier 1.

Hahahahahahahaha.

No.

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>>54740068
I await the inevitable /tg/ run lewd game dedicated to impregnating native qt3.14s.

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>>54740767
There aren't any natives, anon. This is Azlant we're talking about.

The only people you could impregnate on that island are the other colonists, which of course you're encouraged to do because that's how you grow a colony.

>>54740646
>one of our PCs is this exact build
>He gets bullied constantly
:thinking:

>>54740393
>Starfinder
>fun
No, just no ultra-trash allowed.

>>54740832
It's okay Wizard-kun, you can still ass-rape games in PF!

>>54740825
Define "gets bullied."
That has become such a devalued term that you could be talking about literally anything.

Do you mean he takes damage? Like characters are actually expected to at one point or another?

Do you mean he gets shit on OOC? Do you mean he gets shit on IC? Do you mean he gets sexually assaulted? Fucking WHAT do you mean?

>>54740862
All of those but the sex assault

>>54740887
Getting shit on OOC is no bueno, that's a call for some safe words.

>>54740887
If he's getting shit on IC and not talking back, it's probably just to maintain group cohesion. Like most people who aren't assholes would do.

If he's getting shit on OOC--and I mean like actually shit on, not just getting in on the joke--then you're all assholes and I hope the game falls apart. Because holy shit that poor bastard must have the patience of a saint.

And if he's taking damage, SO FUCKING WHAT. THAT IS WHAT CHARACTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IN A GAME THAT FEATURES COMBAT.

>>54740733
Guess what, chuckles.

If starfinder doesn't have anything better than what would be tier 3 in Pathfinder, then that's still tier 1 in Starfinder.

It's a different game, you can't just use the same scale for an entirely different game.

>>54740259
Didn't Harsk dump Wis?

>>54740955
>then that's still tier 1 in Starfinder.

Anon... That's not how the Tiers work. They measure narrative power, and having a ceiling of Tier 3 means even the most optimized character can't break the campaign over their knee.

I am both unsurprised and disappointed that you can't add the "Called" property to armor like you can weapons in Starfinder.

>>54740887
So apparently being "bullied" means "is too nice to actively be a dick."

I will guarantee you that he is seriously considering leaving your campaign. I have been in campaigns exactly like that, in that exact same situation, and I just fucking dropped out because it's never worth it to just be treated like an asshole every week.

>>54740955
>>54740980

You can port wizards to SF from PF so the core classes of SF are likely not even that powerful compartively

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Let me see if I have this right. Take a 1st-level human technomancer with Dexterity 18 and Intelligence 14. Give them Longarm Proficiency and Weapon Focus (longarms) for feats. Buy them an azimuth laser rifle.

Four times per day, they can cast Supercharge Weapon as a standard action. They can then make a ranged attack with an attack bonus of +5 vs. EAC, dealing 1d8+4d6 (average 18.5) fire damage.

By 2nd-level, they gain another 1st-level slot from their spell progression and yet another 1st-level slot from Energize Spell. In other words, they can now cast Supercharge Weapon six times per day, with an attack bonus of +6 vs. EAC, still dealing 1d8+4d6 (average 18.5) fire damage.

Is this the case? If so, does that not make a technomancer terribly powerful at taking out enemies, considering that a soldier with an azimuth artillery laser deals only 1d10 damage with each shot? Does this not obsolete the technomancer's Empowered Weapon magic hack as well?

>>54740909
>>54740928
>>54741001
You think so? Maybe I'll try reaching out. It's easy to play along with bullying, but maybe I can rise above, you know?

>>54741191
Soldier adds their level to damage starting at level 3. Technomancer doesn't.

>>54741337
I mean, can you spare a feat for it?

ravioli ravioli I wanna play a shoanti loli

How strong should the family values of tieflings be? Should they treat their children as bastards or negligent manner or stick together in a "blood is thicker than water" way?

>>54741396
"the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" is the original version of the "blood is thicker than water" phrase.

I figure tiefings would have pretty strong family value, sticking together because they can relate to each other.

>>54741396
Let me just dig out Blood of Fiends real quick, and check to see what I can find.

But off the top of my head? Tieflings would place immense value on family, while also probably being prone to having broken homes all the fucking time, just as a matter of being enslaved, arrested, or the world driving you apart.

Your family are the only people who care about you. They're the ones you have to look out for, and that you rely on to look out for you...but you're probably going to end up leaving them behind, not even through any fault of your own. Chelish tieflings, who are probably mostly slaves, are going to feel this the hardest.

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>>54741337

Take a feat for Weapon Specialization (longarms). You are down a feat compared to a soldier, but you are still gaining more spells.

Your Intelligence will remain middling, but that is fine; the technomancer spell list has more than enough DC-less spells for you to work with, letting you focus on buffs and noncombat utility.

If you would rather not go all-in on the investment, be an android for Intelligence 16 instead, and do not bother with longarms. Instead, take Weapon Focus (small arms) and simply start yourself with an azimuth laser pistol. This frees up your 3rd-level feat as well.

Was playing Curse of the Crimson Throne with my group tonight, my Cleric got tons of opportunities to speech it up and it felt so good putting my preaching practice to work in a game and having it actually work.

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Was combining the thread a mistake?

Everyone is just talking about their own thing and nobody is getting replies.

>>54741544
That's how it usually is; the consistent conversations over the last little bit are the aberration, not this.

>>54741544
Everyone's asleep calm down

>>54741532
Neato.

>>54741544

>Everyone is just talking about their own thing
Like in every other thread?
>Nobody is getting replies
Demonstrably false. Look, you're getting one now, unmerited though it may be.

>>54741576
Jehovah's Witness IRL, Cleric of Sarenrae in the game? Yeah, it all works out to be pretty neat, and it's rather fun playing a character who emphasizes nonlethal tactics above all else, since he's a reformed criminal.

“Children don’t grow up looking at perfect parents. Rather, using their imperfect parents as anti-teachers, children nourish a spirit of independence.”

How does it apply to your character?

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>>54741396

>>54740848
>implying your Mystic waifu doesn't break the game in SF
Stay delusional paizodrone. At least I admit my garbage is shit.

>>54741191

It makes the Technomancer terribly powerful at taking out 4 enemies, just like most lvl 1 Wizards in Pathfinder have a fatigue point, where the lvl 1 Barbarian just keeps on murderin'

>>54741191
>>54741469
Fuck off you psychopath autist.

>>54741544
Yes it absolutely was, whoever came up with the idea was a Grade A 100% organic RETARD.

>>54741678
>psychopath
The what now?

Is it reasonable to enter into a tavern in full-plate armour and a halberd on your hand?

>>54741709

So long as you're not waving it about like a lunatic screaming "he who moves dies" through your bevor, sure. Armor takes time to remove, and a halberd is a bit unwieldy to strap across your back-they probably won't begrudge a man tired of tromping around in full kit a few drinks without changing his dress.

I keep hearing bad things about Paizo games. Nothing in particular, just general negative comments.

>>54741806

They've got flaws, yeah. But they can be pretty fun.

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Is it just me, or is the solarian so badly designed that any solarian wants to ignore *both* solar armor and solar weapon?

The solarian is a Strength-based melee class locked into melee attacks with certain mandatory class features. That means a solarian needs heavy armor in order to avoid dying horribly in the front line. Solar armor is compatible with light armor, yet explicitly unusable with heavy armor (powered armor is a murky grey area that could use clarification). Thus, every solarian should be taking Heavy Armor Proficiency and ignoring solar armor.

The solar weapon is horrid. It deals only 1d6 + Strength modifier kinetic damage and targets KAC. Perhaps that might suffice at 1st-level, but by 2nd-level, a solarian wants to buy an ember flame doshko for 750 credits, letting them target EAC (often 1 to 3 points lower) and deal 1d8 + Strength modifier damage instead.

What in the world is going on here? The solarian is so terrible a class that it wants to ignore its choice of signature armor and signature weapon! Why?

>>54741823
Alright. How easy is it to find a good group? I don't really have much experience with tabletop RPGs - just some WoD one-offs.

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Hey, so. I'm adding some low-key Backgrounds to my next campaign. These are mostly for getting my players interested in buying into the local culture and politics, but I also wanted each one to have a nice benefit and one drawback. These are meant to be partially social and partially mechanical. But I'm having some difficulty with a few, and was wondering if someone here could help me out?

What would be an interesting boon and drawback for someone with the "Foreigner" background? At best this can be like a bonus feat. At worst it still shouldn't cripple a PC's character.

>>54741848
If you've never played before, I'd suggest using a Store Locator to find a Game Store near you that runs Pathfinder Society.

Society is a decent way to learn the game rules and mechanics in a regular setting. Most Society sessions/missions last 3-5 hours, so it's not a lot of time out of a schedule.

>>54741848

Finding a group is easy-there's usually no shortage of them on sites like Roll20, or at local game stores. Still, playing with strangers has its risks, but coming off of WoD, that shouldn't be anything new to you.

How many guards and helpers do you need to keep your equipment and horses safe?

>>54741908

Depends. Do you consider basic maintenance and upkeep to be part of keeping them "safe"?

>>54741834
Jesus christ 2hu, fuck off.

>>54741925

Guarding is the basic. Basic maintenance and upkeep is a nice bonus.

>>54741905
I had a couple friends into WoD; that's how I played. There was going to be a bit more of a campaign, but a couple of the people involved ended up having to move state.

>>54741901
One of the LGSes in town has Pathfinder Society, according to the locator, but the RPG community there is very elitist and cliquish.

>>54741964
>One of the LGSes in town has Pathfinder Society, according to the locator, but the RPG community there is very elitist and cliquish.

That's something that's fairly common to most RPG groups at an LGS. Society does kind of alleviate it a little, but it's still a thing to deal with. Best I could recommend is find out the start time and who's generally in charge, then contact them to meet ahead of time so y'all can talk and be introduced before the games actually start.

>>54741930
Is there a problem officer?

>>54741930
Are we not gonna talk about how the game is gonna have "Item levels" but the Sol is kinda boned if they want to use THEIR LIGHT SABER WHICH IS DOESN'T EVEN GET GREAT SWORD DAMAGE UNTIL 6TH

making the early game for Weapon Sol Using a DIFFERENT WEAPON. They get Advance Melee, are you telling me that a starting Advanced melee weapon is comparable to 1D6?

>>54741995
I've seen the RPG people around the store. Most of them are middle-aged, overweight, and hate people younger than like 30.

>>54741946

In that case, two to guard the stables, two to guard your quarters, two to patrol outside the building housing your quarters, and another half-dozen to serve as a second shift. Your belongings and horses are now as secure as your GM cares to let them be.

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>>54741998

By the time a solarian reaches 6th-level, they can probably afford a wrack devastation blade for 5,500 credits that deals 2d8 damage.

This is decidedly better than using a solar weapon with a solarian weapon crystal.

At no levels in the game does a solarian ever want to use solar armor or a solar weapon, unless it turns out that solar armor is compatible with powered armor.

My biggest regret with playing with 3.P game mechanics is that it's really friggin hard to say to someone "get behind me!" and then block the aggressor's incoming attack with my sword, when compared to real life by RAW it's unbelievably easy for someone to just go around me and stab my protectee with me not being able to do anything other than maybe AOO.

>>54742118

4e's Defender mechanics were a godsend there. Just building into the front line classes the ability to hold that front line.

>>54741544
No, because/sfg/ was shit that had no actual conversation going at all, and nearly all the actual discussion of Starfinder was still in the uncombined thread. Stay mad you retard weeb pero splitfag

>>54741678
2hu is an automatically who should be shot, but psychopathic? I don't think you even know what that word means you blithering retard. Add the fact that you are doing nothing but making a whiny bitch out of yourself honestly doesn't make you any much better than him

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>>54741709
Only a fool would try to deny a Landschnekt access to a tavern

>>54741709
Full plate might get you some weird looks, maybe a few concerned comments, but nothing more. They might ask you to check the halberd at the door, but not all taverns will.

>>54738950
Yeah, Cha'lak has an apostrophe, the fucking weirdo.

What is this, Star Trek?

>Mark Seifter defending Solarian

Dis gun b gud.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ui01&page=9?Starfinder-Early-Impressions

So, if I were to get into Pathfinder Society, how should I build my first character?

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I have a question. Say I wanted to allow commonplace firearms, and make them reasonably commonly seen due to Full plate being a thing. What kinds of rules should I I to properly match and make early fire-arms useful?

For some reason I feel a good place to start would be to have them target Flatfoot AC instead of Touch, but what else should they have? Perhaps better load times or something?

>>54742250
Touch is enough, because touch scales *really* badly compared to normal AC.
Maybe just allow for them to be cheaper and easier to maintain.

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It seems to me that a mechanic (hover drone) focusing on longarms is one of the game's most potent combatants, at least at the earlier levels.

Consider a 3rd-level human mechanic with Dexterity 20 from a personal upgrade, Improved Initiative, Longarm Proficiency, and Weapon Specialization (longarms). They have initiative +9, a ranged attack bonus of +7, and deal 1d8+3 damage with an azimuth laser rifle, costing a mere 425 credits. They can full attack for two attacks at +3 each.

They also have a flying hover drone with weapon mount ×2 (including the free weapon mount), weapon proficiency (Longarm Proficiency), Weapon Focus (longarms), and Weapon Specialization (longarms). They act on the same initiative count as the mechanic, they have a ranged attack bonus of +7, and they deal 1d8+3 damage with an azimuth laser rifle. They cannot full attack, but that is fine, because they are pumping out extra attacks.

A 3rd-level soldier would be hard-pressed to compete with such a mechanic's action economy advantage, even considering the opportunity cost the mechanic has placed into their build to wield longarms. Extra actions are no joke.

>>54742269
Yeah, but the autist in me says that targeting Touch is stupid, since "bullet-proof" was a thing, and the point of a bullet is to fire fast and not to be easily seen coming as it tears down retards trying to charge your Pike and Shot formation. Logically, it would make more sense to target Flatfoot, while if any ranged Weapon should target Touch, it would be the Heavy Crossbow, and even then I sure as heck wouldn't

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>>54742250

Plate armour could stop early bullets just fine. The pike is what brought back the dominance of infantry to the field. Plate armour coexisted with guns for centuries.

>>54742330
Easy answer; make bulletproof an armor mod that you can apply to armor for a percentage of the cost. Say, 50%? And make it so that it applies when targeted by ranged touch attacks, such as rays, bullets, and similar things.

The problem we're having here is that armor doesn't naturally contribute to your Deflection AC, which it absolutely did back in the day before rifled ammunition.

>>54742336
Anon, that's what I just said. Please learn to read posts all the way before replying with what is already established

Anyone have a more updated collection?

http://imgur.com/a/Krs3S

>>54742250

Load times are not that inaccurate. One of the reasons behind pike and shot was slow reloading opened windows for cavalry and infantry to assault. That said, that also puts guns on the disadvantage against bows and their ridiculous number of feats.

>>54742353
Why should I make a mod what full plate and other heavy armor should already have as inherent? Seems kinda bassackwards to me. Plus it doesn't fix firearms and instead just makes them even more irrelevant

>>54742362
It is stupid, however one thing I could imagine as an actual armor mod to make it better would be to install Fluting, which could possibly give some kind of extra deflection bonus against Piercing/Slashing damage

Hey, does anybody have the Starfinder archetypes page saved? I want to take a look at Phrenic Adept.

>>54742420
>Why should I make a mod what full plate and other heavy armor should already have as inherent?
Because a plate that can stop a blade won't necessarily stop a bullet. You need to design it properly for that - besides, the suggested armor mod includes shit like rays as well.

>>54738948
I hope not since Dexterity is already an overpowered stat.
Not to mention the already high base damage rolls

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>>54741834
>>54742070

Update and revision to my previous statement: I was misreading the table.

It turns out that there is an actual point to the solarian's solar weapon after all! ... At 6th-level and above.

At 1st-level, a solarian chooses solar weapon, but completely ignores it as they spend 240 credits on a tactical doshko. It is an unwieldy weapon, but at 1st-level, judging from First Contact, a melee character wants to try one-shotting enemies. Dealing 1d12 + Strength modifier + 1 (photon mode) damage is a good way to try to kill people instantly at 1st-level.

At 2nd-level, the solarian purchases an ember flame doshko. They go down to 1d8 damage, but they now target EAC, and they are no longer using an unwieldy weapon. They keep to this weapon until 5th-level.

Only at 6th-level does a solarian bother to switch to their actual solar weapon. They purchase a least graviton crystal for 2,900 credits for +1d3 damage and knockdown as a critical effect, putting them on par with a wrack devastation blade, and having saved 2,600 credits.

Fast forward to 10th-level. A solarian now has a 3d6 damage solar weapon, and they can purchase a lesser graviton crystal for 24,000 credits to go up to a total of 5d6 damage (average 17.5). Or, for a more economical 18,100 credits, they can use an ultrathin curve blade for 3d10 damage (average 16.5), a mere 1 damage less.

In other words, the solar weapon is a dead class feature until 6th-level, and then it flips back and forth between "useful" and "dead." This is not good design.

Meanwhile, solar armor is still utterly useless unless it can work with powered armor.

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What exactly is the point of the soldier (armor storm)'s 1st-level class feature, Hammer Fist? It effectively makes you deal 1d4+2 damage while wearing heavy armor and making unarmed attacks.

750 credits affords a soldier an ember flame doshko that deals 1d8 damage and, more importantly, targets EAC, which is usually 1 to 3 points lower than KAC.

I cannot see Hammer Fist possibly vindicating itself compared to, say, Blitz's Rapid Response for +4 initiative and +10 land speed.

>>54742623
Hammer Fist is useful because it means you don't have to drop your ranged weapon if you want to knee someone in the stomach, or clock them in the jaw. Having attack options when you can't draw another weapon and your hands are occupied is a situation that comes up a surprising amount. It's not meant to be great; it's meant to be a fallback when you're screwed.

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>Bayonets make firearms unable to shoot
>AngryGunNoises.scrying

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>>54742656

I can understand Hammer Fist being intended as a backup weapon for predominantly ranged characters, but... at 5th-level, a soldier with Armor Storm is supposed to hop into powered armor, which already comes with a built-in weapon (which will outdamage Hammer Fist at 5th-level), so what gives?

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>>54742679
maybe they're plug bayonets?

Lay off the autism on the forums would ya

>>54742485
Don't let anyone stop you, shit like this is the only reason to come to these threads. Keep it up.

Do you have any potential houserules for problems you've seen so far you'd recommend?

>>54742702
>>54742702
>he said this proudly at the most autistic place in the Internet.

>>54742702
Who the hell goes to the forums anymore?

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>>54742722

I would not know how to fix the solarian, the mechanic (exocortex), or, god forbid, the envoy.

I have simply banned all three of those in the Starfinder game I am personally trying to set up, so as to save players the disappointment.

I don't care, new thread:

>>54742750
>>54742750
>>54742750
>>54742750
>>54742750

>>54742748
I don't know how to feel about the fact that you're literally saying that you'd ban classes for being too weak, when usually the opposite is the case in most places.

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>>54742752
>Page 2
Please contemplate suicide

And please no one use this shit thread he made

>>54742752
>Page 2
Is this No Anime trying to stawman again?

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What would be a good sidearm for halberdiers PC? Does it make sense to have a buckler and sword for off-duty while not carrying the halberds around?

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Here is a neat little tactic with an operative. An operative's trick attack flat-foots the target if successful. A flat-footed creature cannot take reactions. Attacks of opportunity are reactions.

I have called the operative "space John Wick" previously, but this seals it: an operative can avoid an attack of opportunity for making a ranged attack while threatened this way. There is a chance it might fail, and it obviously will not work when threatened by multiple opponents, but it could very well be handy in a pinch.

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By Halberdier, do you mean someone using a Halberd specifically, or just someone using a polearm with reach?
If the latter, then it might be worth getting another 2hand weapon without reach and buckler as a backup. If the former, then some kind of Bludgeoning Weapon to cover damage types might be good

>tfw being a actually good character puts you at odds with the party more often than the groups evil character.

No I'm not just talking from a lawful stupid paladin perspective. I'm referring to stuff like not wanting to break into a not villainous nobles mansion and stealing a Mc'Guffin instead of just doing a favor for him and getting the Mc'Guffin that way. My group is constantly trying to fuck over and swindle NPC's that are genuinely not being dicks. Instead of paying for health potions they'd rather try and steal/take the health pots. Then they think the DM is being unreasonable when NPC's take action to try and get even.

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That one I can't explain, admittedly, outside of the idea that not every soldier will be in power armor. That said, I'm pretty sure the damage scales harder with hammer fist than with power armor's slam damage.

Playing evil characters gets complicated

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why put the origin point at the edge of the 60ft cone instead of the middle?