EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54722335
Either Mirage Mirror or Moonring Mirror. Mirage is great for shenanigans while Moonring is great for decks that are lacking in draw power. That and it fucks with people.

Claws of Gix.

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>>54722335
First for Boros did nothing to deserve this treatment from WotC.
>Thread Question
pic related
Dumping my hand on top in response to a tutor/shuffle effect makes me moist.

>>54722335
Does that card work with an empty hand?

>>54722479
Yes.

>>54722335
>favorite colorless tech
Amulet of vigor, lots of tapdown cards in the meta and modt land tutors make them come in tapped. I would say sofaf but the tricks I do with it are basically all white.

>>54722335
Ornate Kanzashi. I love that card so much, especially when someone drops a "top-of-library" tutor

Sundial of the Infinite is my favorite colorless tech card bar none.

>>54722498
What he said. I've barreled into a turn 2 Angry Omnath with that fucker, and it makes every risky tapland like the fastlands so much safer.

>>54722503
Every damn week I learn about some obscure rare from Kamigawa, I swear

>>54722498
>friends laugh about my Karoos
>T1 Amulet
Who's laughing now bitch?

>>54722702
That still nets only 2 mana turn 2 unless you mean Ravnica Karoos.

>>54722335
Literally this. I fucking LOVE Null Brooch

>>54722654
>turn 2 Angry Omnath
What the fuck how

Doesn't he cost like 7

Asking again due to lack of response last thread
What removal should I have in Locust God? I'm new to building Izzet, so its not all that familiar to me.
I know that Vandalblast and Cyclonic Rift are auto-includes, but I don't know what else.

>>54722794
Blasphemous Act for damage, I like running Wash Out, and Curse of the Swine gets you exile in colors that don't usually get it

>>54722780
T1 Land, Amulet of Vigor
T2 Float 1, Gruul Turf, Float 2, Summer Bloom, 3x Gruul Turf, Angry Omnath.

>>54722794
Chaos Warp, Reality Shift, Pongify, and Rapid Hybridization are all solid.

>>54722693
Cool card, God aweful flavor text

>>54722550
Traft approves of this.

>>54722838
So not in EDH, got it.

>>54722886
You play Gruul Turf, stack the triggers so it untaps, you tap it to float GR, then it bounces itself and you play it again. Please try to think.

>>54722886
that is an EDH legal play, the fuck you talking about

>>54722758
I run it along with Uba Mask (and sometimes other cast-from-library nonsense) in CA-starved brews, typically monored or boros. It's really funny to watch players flail under that kind of CA oppression.

>>54722838
Beautiful, im going to steal this one. I have one too many tutors but i needed something with lands.

>>54722907
Ah, sorry, its late I somehow took "You are using a full playset of turf" from that and didn't remember you could self-bounce karoos.

>>54722970
Grab it before Modern gets something that breaks it. It's one of the best 1-mana artifacts in EDH and makes your manabase rock solid when you draw it.

>>54722989
Ive already got my amulet, I just fucking forgot summer bloom was a thing once amulet bloom got fucked in modern.

>>54722970
And of course all of those cards are at least good in Omnath. Vigor lets you get slower lands fast, Turf means you'll get consistent Landfall triggers, and Summer Bloom can get out of control fast if you recur it.
>>54722989
Summer Bloom and Cloudpost in Amulet Bloom and 12 Post are both banned, making amulet unlikely to spike.

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>placed a tcg direct order over a week ago
>it's not here yet

>>54723184
Do you have tracking on it?

>>54723184
It can happen. Go to your account and check when it shipped and when it's expected to deliver.

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>>54723184
>made a $50 order a week ago for some important lands and parts for Taigam
>literally just put in another $25 order that is nothing but stabilizers like Concentrate and Beast Within because I got excited speccing on Wizard bullshit for C17 and forgot it

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>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-multiplayer-edh-generals-by-tier/

How the hell is Ghost Council of Orzhova tied for best Orchov commander?
Is it really an equal to Teysa? Or superior to Karlov and Ayli?
Is there some reliable infinite-bounce combo in Orchov that I don't know about?

I know that this list isn't official or anything, but what was their logic here?

>>54723264
excuse me if I'm wrong but if you have infinite mana he can sac himself and keep coming back and win right?

>>54723221
>>54723224
nope, they apparently don't provide a number for small orders

>>54723264
>what was their logic here
There wasn't any. It's """"""""""""""""""""""""competitive"""""""""""""""""""""""", so anything outside Tier 2 is them talking out of their asses.

>>54723284
He would he come back after sacrificing himself?

>>54723341
You'd just recast him.

>>54723341
Sure wouldn't, gotta pay the cost before you get the ability

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How can I make my Conspire deck more reliable
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/goblin-parade-1/

>>54722989
I like running the Diamonds with it.

>>54723253
mfw making my third order today because i keep changing my mind on shit

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>>54723382
Im considering Tempt with Vengeance with
Ezuri's Predation but it feels jank without tutors.

>>54723264
The list is overwhelmingly biased towards commanders that are combo pieces. Most of the lists consist of trying to get a single combo out as fast as possible and building the deck around it.

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>>54723382
>>54723481

thats how my Wort deck one a game with it last Friday

>Soldier deck makes a bunch of tokens against a Locust God deck
>I casted Ezuri's Predation and conspired it 2 times
>Have a shitload of tokens now
>casted Goblin Bombardment the same turn
>win the game by saccing every token and still have enough left over

>>54723672
what would you recommend I take out of the deck I have the hardest time choosing >>54723382

>>54723481
Speaking of EP, I almost lived the dream tonight, boys.

>Had, among other things on the board, Fires of Yavimaya, Zendikar Resurgent and Collective Blessing
>Play AEther Charge, then True Conviction
>no one really bats an eye
>EZURI'S PREDATION
>About to shit 15 7/7 lifelinkers onto the board, gaining 11 life per between fighting and Charging, before swinging in with the team

>Here comes my older bro, being Captain Funkiller
>Activate Mageta the Lion, force me to Boros Charm and keep my dudes around
>Only end up getting 4 7/7s, and his Avacyn, Angel of Hope keeps me from really doing anything to clear the board

feels bad, man.

>>54723827
Looking form your deck, I assume you're going for a tribal goblin aggro strategy, which I think you might be going for that instead of spellslinging with conspire.

You also need more card draw enablers instead of that many tutors.

Staff of Domination doesn't feel right with a Wort Conspire deck either. Many of those non-thornbite staff untap cards seems unnecessary as well.

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>>54723184
>sold over 50 europoors of stuff
>send it to some guy in Spain
>its stuck in some customs limbo
>two weeks have passed now

I fucking hate dealing with paella-eaters.

>>54722335
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/4f4gz

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.
Haha, OP
Haha, OP

>>54723904
>Dropping that kind of play when someone has a fucking Mageta on the field
Did you expect him to just sit back and let you gain all that life?
Politics are fun and all, but letting you get ahead when they're in a position to stop you is not something most players would do except maybe when there's another, even bigger threat at the table and they're hoping you two would duke it out before finishing them off.

>>54723919
Not at all, theres 27 sorceries and 9 instants in the deck. Tutors are for the combos pieces, I can't fetch artifacts so I need a few untap equipments to keep using krenko, its entirely about generating creatures to conspire with then wiping everyone out with and X spell. Warchief and Cheiftan are there for haste so we can tap tokens immediately

pls no bully

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marath-wip-4/

>>54723184
>order shit from shops 8 states away
>make the order over a certain amount so I get free shipping as per some customs
>they lose $20-40 in shipping
Fuck em.

>>54723672
I don't think you know how this game works
>comspierd it 2 times
you can only copy a spell once with conspire unless the spell has multiple instances of conspire it gives you a single trigger of "you may tap 2 creatures that share a colour to copy it" the function is similar to the trigger on Rith the Awakener or Crosis the Purger in that you are only given the opportunity to perform the action once
even if you casted Ezuri's Predation multiple time the fight part is resolved along with the spell so you would only get another token if the creature was still alive after the first fight, the third Ezuri's Predation would only create a token if there was a creature with effectively 9 toughness or more

this all hinges on the fact that you don't have a Mirror Gallery and two Wort the Raidmother but even though EDH is a mostly casual format you still should play by the actual rules of the game

>>54724014
Every spell has conspire including the conspired spell copy, so you can conspire as many times as you like

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>>54723382
Am I a retard?
>35(Land)+15(ManaRamp)+10(Tutor)+11(Tokens)+8(Spice)+8(ComboEnabler)+5(Retrieval)+7(Draw)+3(Buffs)
>35+15+10+11+8+8+5+7+3=102
If I'm right, I think it has something to do with your custom sorting of the decklist.

>>54724049
some cards are in 2 categories, you counted Planes Walker and Mana Echoes twice

>>54724023
>Each red or green instant or sorcery spell you CAST has Conspire.
>As you CAST the spell, you may tap two untapped creatures you control that share a color with it. When you do, COPY it and you may choose new targets for the COPY.
/tg/ can't play Magic. The copies are not cast and thus do not have Conspire.

>>54724023
>>54724077
>>54724014

sadly yes. Conspire only happens one time unless the spell has a conspire effect by itself.

>>54724023
>(As you cast the spell, you may tap two untapped creatures you control that share a color with it. When you do, copy it and you may choose new targets for the copy.)
>As you cast the spell . . . copy
>cast . . .copy

wrong, the copy made from conspiring the originally cast spell is never cast but placed onto the stack. Since the copy was never cast, it will not trigger an additional conspire option.

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>>54724076
mana echoes was in that list once, the other instance was from a portion of the Revisions, at the bottom of the page

what is Planes Walker?

>>54724182
the update feed is completely broken... my mistake , its Gaea's Cradle and Xenagos, the Reveler is the planeswalker

>>54724207
Gotcha. If I ever get around to building Gruul, Wort Control would probably be my choice. You don't seem to be running much removal. Is artifice and the like not too prominent in your meta?

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I have a very odd request:

How do I goodstuff.dec with pic related? As in, how many cards do I need to devote to ramp/card draw/threats? Decks I build are usually around the Commander and I want something that's more about a good 99 and just utility in the Command Zone.

I plan on running Infinites that revolve around Mazirek and/or Mikeaus if that helps.

Also, I'm not interested in running any Constellation effects.

>but Pharika is bad
Maybe. But her art is fucking sick so I don't care.

>>54724077
>/tg/ can't play Magic
I come here and shitpost about things that never happened and get told off so I can slowly gain experience since I've never played the game before

>>54724270
PRAISE SNEK

>>54724023
If this were true, Conspire would be up there with Storm in terms of wide-open busted mechanics

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>>54724270
consider the follo-
>Also, I'm not interested in running any Constellation effects.

Nigger, Eidolon of Blossoms was MADE for her.

>>54724353
Yea,shes not that useful outside of the constellation effects shed be good for imo, papprika was a disappointment to this G/B player

>>54724270
but Pharika is bad

>>54724353
So does eternal scourge do anything? What is it useful for?Is it just sac fodder you don't care if it gets exiled stapled on an on curve beater? Please enlighten me.

>>54724536
Scourge and Food Chain makes infinite mana for any creature spells, including an infinite amount of mana to pump into Walking Ballista.

>>54722335
Secret tech for neheb, I like it

>>54723264
Two colours that have a lot of board wipe, and a voltron commander that can stick around through it all to deliver the beats and dodge attempts to shut that plan down all for 1 mana.

>cast mob rule to steal viscera seer and sac peoples boards
>viscera seer sacs self in response

fuck me I'm an idiot.
post your worst plays /edh/

>>54724353
I mean, I considered it. I currently only run about 7 enchantments atm (Sylvan Library, Necropotence, Phyrexian Arena, Grave Pact/Dictate, Defense of the Heart, and Living Plane). If I end up actually converting my own shit to snakes I'll put her in.

That Eldrazi is interesting but I'm wary about its inclusion, after finding out Misthollow Griffon in a Tasigur deck is too much an investment.

>>54724489
k

>>54724847
Converting my own stuff often* what I meant to say

>>54724115
>>54724341

I know that you cant conspire the copies, but you can absolutely conspire copy spells and get 4 of a spell on the stack.

Target Spell <- Conspire <-Copy Spell <-Cospired copy of copy spell.

>>54724725
>been playing for at least 10 hours
>around 3 am
>untap, upkeep, Selvala Parley, draw
>everyone stares at me while I look at the board
>"...at least I gain life."

>>54724865
Oh off of a Fork effect? For sure

>>54724536
It gives you a reusable target for Pharika's ability to produce Deathtouch Enchantment creature Tokens

How do i make my 5c storm/combo deck better?
Anyone got a good listñ

>>54722794
Hour of Devastation is a pet card of mine.
Colorless ones like All Is Dust and Oblivion Stone are nice too.

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You have your decks tuned for power.
And then you have your decks build for flavor.

Name your thematic commander and name it's theme song.

eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX2anEXG0eE

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A97-TFtnYDs

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ho3jU4bzM

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdi-CMwSXlQ
including only old bordered cards none can resist the nod of appreciation even if it's weak.

>>54725582
Why was the Mirrodin block so cool
Sick song

>>54725542
Did this guy have any lore?
Song fits somehow even if he didn't

>>54722335
>favorite piece of colorless tech?

Sensei's Divining Top. Forever and always.

Stacking is too strong.

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>>54725416
Literally the only thing I could think of for a creature called "Will of the Wild"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

also bonus music

the theme of EDH Gen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJhnRQAkTC4

When your infinite combo goes off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky4tqNJGSNs

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>>54725651
I've thought a lot on how to make a "pirate"-esque deck, but seeing how absolutely unhinged people get around the stealing mechanics my next train of thought is extremely heavy on table politics and manipulation. Problem is I still don't have a commander for that.

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKV3GC0RERs

>>54725726
do you have your marath list avaliable online?

>>54725790
Deck list? I posted it earlier and no one responded.

>>54723973

>tfw been playing for years and had most of these just from collecting/trading
>everyone at my LGS thinks I bought this entire deck all in one go

Only things I bought were the revised dual lands because I had the spare cash.

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>>54725743
empress galina for mono blue sea and stealing things themed commander
but if you need to ad black in there this boy still fits thematically

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TanRJlb3NI
Taking his dreg reaver for a stroll

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzo3atXtm54

>>54726052
>not posting the clear choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-fIn2QZgg

>>54725947
How do you make this work? 7 mana is a hell of a lot for something that doesn't bring much when it comes down.

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>>54722335

>>54726110
What do you mean by work? We are talking thematic here, surely he does paint the earth red when I get him through. Rest of the deck are either his Grixis pals or instant/sorcery feats he would perform

>>54726120

I love old mtg flavor text.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPz21cDK7dg

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>jace, vryn's prodigy player untaps and begins his turn 4
>step out to piss while he's going off because i'm tapped out anyway
>he's still doing it when i come back

>>54726274
And one coreset later we get this:
>"Why build a bridge that needs to be guarded?"
>—Elvish champion

who should my next commander be

Unesh Sphinx tribal or Sygg Rogues

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>>54725768

>>54726376
sygg has never let me down before

>>54726396
Sygg let me down on multiple occasions, both in competitive and casual

>>54726405
correction: sygg has never let me down in the way of being cool and a fish pirate

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tCd_sviBNY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hI0qMtdfng

>>54726483
That holding the note part actually made me laugh

>>54726052
this is on fleck

>>54725651
fucking lol

>>54726483
noice

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tq: I love this card against any.artifact based deck, I even play it on my artifact decks that don't rely on activating abilities.

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>opponent copies my general
>I respond with Jokulhaups
>"dude not fun this is casual table get lost"

>>54727115
I will never understand why oblietate effect is an issue. it's just restarting the game with different resources. mtg players are retarded sometimes

>>54727130
>why oblietate effect is an issue
>restarting the game with different resources
To which nobody did fucking consent

>>54727130
Exactly, it's restarting the game. It's not fun, it's not interesting, it's just tedious and annoying.

>>54727115
Are you complaining that copying a general is in the same level as a obliterate effect?
And that the player in question is moronic for complaining about the obliterate effect even though he just resolved an effect that you deem to be as much of a 'dick move'?
Because if thats the case then oh shit nigga you wrong

>>54727203
Take them to a edh night at your lgs.
If they have pride in their decks they'd want to show them off even if they have to follow the updated rules right.
Although when my group did that a lot of the decks we're all playing have stated to be a little more combo'y then whats ok

>>54727203
explain that in EDH they can have a foil legendary they can identify with and build all the deck around that persona, taking them deeper into magical unicornland

>>54727203
shoot them

>>54727203
What you need to understand is that EDH is really demanding and complicated for people that just play casually every other week. 60 cards decks are straight foward, consistent and only contain a handful of different cards. When you lend your friends one of your EDH decks they see a complicated monstrosity, where they have to read every single card and actually have to learn how to play it. So the new format you are showing them isn't fun, just tedious and complicated.

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how 2 make locust god faster than turn 5-6 average?

>>54727130
>Everyone is at a stalemate
>Tensions are high and literally anyone could cast a spell and keep the game flowing at this chokehold moment
>Some guy MLDs
>The boardstate is barren wasteland of either to many high value creatures not wanting to sent into combat to die
>Or the one player who now has no lands, and is pillowforted to shit is the biggest problem because they can't die.

So fun.

>>54727432
Unless the Pillowfort guy is Daxos or has a Darksteel Forge, Obliterate's going to deal with most of the issues you've outlined.

>>54727462
You see that's the problem. You're solving a problem that doesn't need to be solved.

Going "lol, reset." on the "problem" of people playing the game is anti-fun.

>>54727432
not really any different that playing against mono counterspell deck or waiting 20 minutes for durdlemaster and eggs or storm player wiffs. pillowforts are shit too.
surely in a world of shit people symmetric destruction is not the worst thing one can do.

I prefer to play cool games too but irl EDH players are shit.

>>54727514
What kind of logic is this? Because there are other people doing worse, it's okay? This is like a child molester defending himself in court with "Other guys kill their victims, what I did wasn't the worst thing one can do, so it's alright and you should let me go".

>>54727634
that person would be right tho

i have a deck that only drops jokulhaups styled effects on curve. it wins by having people draw themselves to death. it almost never wins but people still complain about the deck. i think people are just really bad at EDH in general

>>54727432
>>54727462
Really the only reason to play Obliterate is if you're playing a bunch of enchantments or Planeswalkers yourself.

I have a deck that only consists out of random cards. It wins by having people concede the game because my rancid body odor makes them flee from the table. It almost never wins but people still complain, even though it's all part of the game and I do nothing that is breaking the rules. I think people are just really bad at EDH in general.

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>>54727708

>>54727509
say we both build decks and your deck wants to build up momentum playing a series of value spells gathering a huge board presence with stuff that benefits you and hurts your opponent and winning by attrition or finding your combo.

my deck focuses in combat and getting in the beats with cheap creatures and good synergy and wins by getting all opponents to 0 life

then you have the guy whose only goal in building his deck is to take the longest turn as he cracks his eggs and builds the machine to win the game
and this guy thinks he's got something no one else has. the perfect combination of cards that can't be beat and he thinks (in his heart) that everyone can enjoy seeing him build this machine and maybe win.

then that dude over there whose goal is to cast chaos warp 167000 times.

then the guy that needs to control the board with timely counterspell to win the game.

unless all of us have built our decks with blatant disregard for the possibilities of the format. any of these decks can run away with the game and make it unfun. if you don't want to play a game with possibilities and a social aspect play something else or play solitaire mtg or mind mtg. hell make a league with rules and house bans.
but please Don't come to the casual rando table expecting for people to acomodate your brand of tism. MLD is as valid as any strategy.
you should be ready to deal with anything or make good decisions and good plays. don't just plop every land on the table, don't just walk in to every counter. and for the love of god, if you get outplayed, take it like a man. don't "but mhu skillz" if you built a flawed deck you failed, if you didn't notice someone holding back lands you failed, if you didn't want to try, just play tic tac toe, if you didn't have answers, either understand it was luck of the draw or modify your deck. if you chose to build aurochs tribal, then ask people to play their shit decks as well.

>>54727634
more like. I commuted a crime and we have statutes for that crime, do not punish me for murder since my crime is not murder.

>>54727708

I just put my fist through my monitor in a blind rage. I'm replying to you on my phone. You did this to me.

>>54727836
>this is what land destructionfags actually believe

all land destruction cards should be banned in EDH desu famalamadingdong

>>54727836

I'm curious. You mentioned a lot of deck-types. How do you feel about the Chaos Warp guy? Do you think he should keep making decks the way he does? What about a guy whose goal is to cast and re-cast Warp World and Scrambleverse? Are you defending those decks and players? Are those decks good decks to have? Would you want to play at a table with them?

I don't have a "correct" answer in mind here by the way, I'm genuinely curious.

land destruction is fine if you use it to protect your board position or combo and win.
jokulhaups and obliterate do not do that because they destroy your board.

>>54727935
All mass land destruction does it make the game grind to a halt when games of four to five people already last over an hour.

>don't just plop every land on the table
>don't just play the game

that's what that sperg is suggesting

>>54727954
i see where you're coming from, but i'm saying there are ways to play it that are not that, and it's a legitimate strategy. it's one of the reasons why i play crucible in every deck, mld is really common in my meta lol

MLD is fine

>>54727922
I'm saying that I've played in several states of the US and Mexico in a lot of card shops and I've played the game for over 20 years, and in just about every one you find these decks. I've honestly only ever run in to original decks once or twice every year, by original I mean great combos for not optimised but still cool decks.
those decks and kinds of players are the community of casual players that exists.
these and the oddball salty bastards that post on /tg/
all these decks are good to go in my opinion.
from experience I will tell you that players evolve in their play style.
when I started I was all about flavor, then consistency, then winning, then control, then aggro then obscure cards, right now I'm into glass canon decks and all in decks. some players just stagnate into a play style and that's ok too, even if I believe they are not getting the most enjoyment out of the game.

>>54727954
the sign of a true casual in the worst kind of way. I bet you takesy backsy when someone counters a spell.

>>54727954
build better decks, don't play 5 person games, house rule no MLD, play cards that stop MLD.
no. Stop, i figured it out, just birch about it anonymously in a bermudan thong appreciation board.

I threw together a Selvala, Explorer Returned Stax/Tax deck and got a Paradox engine out with 3 mana dorks and Selvala in pay.

I figured, "oh now I get to float a bunch of mana and cast a lot of spells before I drop this winter orb and start getting incremental value over the next few turns."

Instead I sat there playing solitaire until I drew into a Wild Pair and played a Crater Hoof Behemoth after resolving something like 16 other creature spells.

Felt kind of lame actually.

>>54723933
I'm Spanish and ordered something that hasn't arrived in 2 weeks, and a LGS have 19 orders that don't arrive.

Correos is shit, but this time it seems like they messed shit up more than normally.

>>54728237
yep, you are not equipped to deal with being a griefer. you should feel good anon.

>>54728093
>>54728149
>ass mad MLDfags can't stand the truth

>>54728260
If it's any consolation, Italian postal service is ten times worse. Every single order from Italy I made took at least 3 weeks to arrive in Germany. My last order from Spain only took 5 days.

>>54727836
>typing all this just because he get called out for playing shit decks

>>54725582
>tfw flavor themed Resistance Jor Kadeen, mostly Mirrodin but a bit of Zendikar resistance as well
ma nigga

>>54728523
shit assessment of why people do things.
I know why you are mad.

>>54722335
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVWIdhZHhxs

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>>54725416
>when you Coffers into a Torment of Hailfire for 15+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDtGfvc3WzY

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA

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>>54728093
>>54728149
Every thread

>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97OkCXwotE
Fitting to me at least, as long as cowboys are demons

>>54728360
Order from NL and 4 days later its in north finland middle of nowhere.

My postal services feel good.

>>54723264
>>54723264
1x General Tazri
1x Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
1x Teferi, Temporal Archmage
1x Thrasios, Triton Hero
1x Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder

Can someone explain, at least briefly, how these are the top decks?

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>>54729514
fuck forgot pic

>>54729559
Jeleva isn't used for anything more than her colors. She's at the helm of Grixis Storm as a sort-of backup plan.

Teferi plays hard stax and his Planeswalker card allows you to play around them a little because he needs no mana to work once he's out.

Tazri is a Food Chain deck.

Thrasios is a win con in the command zone to use once you've got infinite mana.

Yidris I'm not sure about, but I think people build him storm.

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>>54729200

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5PvBzDlZGs

>>54729559
It's explained on the page.
Tazri goes infinite with Food Chain+Misthollow Griffin/Eternal Scourge and has all the cards available to find and protect all of those pieces.
Jeleva is Grixis Storm, rituals, wheels, fast mana, cantrips, Mind's Desire, Aetherflux, Tendrils.
Teferi is a Stax deck that combos out with Chain Veil to produce infinite mana and draw your own deck out.
Thrasios partners with Bruse, Vial Smasher, or Tana for a 4 color infinite mana deck that can proceed to empty their whole library and play Lab Maniac.
Yidris is Grixis Storm+, it's debatable whether adding green to your manabase detracts from your consistency enough to justify running Carpet of Flowers and the best artifact/enchantment removal.

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>>54729625
Also fits for The Locust God
>I send the locusts on a wind
>Such as the world has never seen
>On every leaf, on every stalk
>Until there's nothing left of green
Or you can just run TLG in the 99 for Bolas, which I'm planning on doing once I actually build the deck

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf-b8MJTiVw

>>54729305
Perfect

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kambal-mah-man/

I intend on building a Kambal, already got most of these cards. Any opinions? Goal is pretty much just be an annoying asshole, slowly draining people while staxxing them.

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8tyehOb5dE

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Never discuss music again, I beg of you.

>>54729840
Aww, not the one I expected, but close enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

>>54729849
What is that meme?

>>54729427
there's a difference between being competitive and liking the challenge of good decks with good players making good plays.

I too love to build shit castles anon, however I don't try and shove them on people without agreeing first we can have a shitfest. I would love to build jank and play against your jank.

>>54729810
I figure you'd be putting all of them in there and going full God-Pharaoh

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>>54729892
It's got tons of versions, most of them /mu/ related.

>>54729789
>>54729611
Cool, thanks guys

>>54729947
That one is the right one

>>54729943
I'm gonna do Locust and Scorpion for sure. Scarab I'm not sure would fit in the type of deck I'm building. I could add him in for flavor but he seems like you really need to build around him for him to be anything other than just a goodstuff piece. I'm also gonna put in all the Bolas walkers. I got a foil God Pharoah off a friend so I feel obligated to build the deck now

>>54729982
Actually I take that back, Scarab seems good for graveyard hate, and the main theme of the deck is gonna be resource denial so that actually works

>>54723382
Scratch everything you have and just run wort land destruction.

Since it's pretty much confirmed that friday at most we'll know the decklists (GameKnights episode featuring the precons), tell me /edhg/, what are your hopes and dreams for Commander 2017?

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What are good Marduchesa wincons? Right now I'm doing boardwipes and fast recovery aggro. Love resetting the board every 3rd turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBMhx_ap_g

>>54730168
That the deck I want isn't the one that spikes up because of cEDHfags and scalpers.

>>54730168
One of them gets printed with an expensive card and I sell off the singles from my preorder to finish my Nath deck.

>>54730168
I'm hoping for Tribal spells to make a return. If you're gonna do a tribal precon, go all the way. I'm also looking forward to whatever other lore characters may be printed in the new card slots.

>>54725694
He appears in the artifact cycle, If I'm not mistaken

>>54730173
Also curious about this since I picked her up recently.

>>54727935
Jokulhaups and Obliterate doesn't kill enchantments or planeswalkers though, not to mention indestructible stuff. There's literally nothing wrong with MLD.
>>54729427
MLD and Spikes are not related concepts

>>54725694
Feldon has a whole lore story to himself. It's also one of the best pieces of writing in Magic. Give it a read.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/lorans-smile-2014-10-27

>>54727885
>EDH is not enough UGx: the format already
If you're serious, you get a serious kys as well

>>54730532
It would have taken twenty seconds to see that he's from Scars of Mirrodin/New Phyrexia, and even shorter to notice that his flavor references Mirrodin directly.

How does Azami usually win? Seems like a lot of drawing and countering.

Come to think of it, what does mono blue usually do to seal the game?

>>54730693
Lab Man or control until you drop a strong fatty, but usually Lab Man.

>>54729750
Well done.

>>54730693
Azami wins by resolving a Mind Over Matter and draw/discarding her whole deck for Lab Man

>>54730707
>>54730725

That's about what I expected.

>>54730173
Insurrection is always valid as a wincon in red, but it requires a slightly more developed board than wraths.dec. Darksteel Forge + Mycosynth Lattice isn't a wincon on its own, but it enables even the lamest threats to be wincons (especially when equipped with Worldslayer).

I went a different way with Marduchesa: Politics, pillow fort, and player control, typically turtling away while the board spirals out of control and then dropping Insurrection or Worst Fears to watch the rest of the table eat each other whole. Typically I'd hold back rout in hand or disk on the field in case someone managed to bust through my defensive enchantments

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaXp7VBkThI

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>>54730970
these are the sleeves

>>54730970
She was my first commander. A powerhouse of removal and artifact hate. She dominated my kitchen table for months.

And then I found out she's a well known trap.

>>54731065
>trap.
Futas/shemales aren't traps you fucking retard.

>>54731118
Sorry man, I'm not as well versed in chicks with dicks as you.

>>54731179
Acquire proficiency.

>>54729892
hello newfriend

>>54731291
>newfriend
Bitch please. I asked what kind of b/s hipster earrape was referenced

>>54730970
If there isn't a single Unstable card referencing Lady Horsecock I'll have given up on WotC completely.

>>54731065
I'm now hard pressed to build one. I've acquired some of the better vampires over time, but still no 20$ bombs. I don't know if it's worth dilating the slots in two colors, since the best ones are in black anyway

>>54731265
Become gay?

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>>54731401
>dilating

>>54731416
Everybody knows black isn't good on its own amirite guise

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>>54731411
Most homomales aren't interested in shemales. They're for biscum and other "genderqueers"

>>54731411
You must transcend, anon.

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>>54731437
>being elitist about worst possible orientation

>played 7 games yesterday
>won 6 of them
>all 4 of my decks got wins

It's okay though because there were 3 games played without me so other people got to win some too.

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>>54722335
>What's your favorite piece of colorless tech?
Null Brooch is great, but Top is probably my favorite. I can't not include it in every deck I build anymore.

Speaking of building decks, I need a new commander and I'm an indecisive shit, I could use some suggestions for something fun, fairly high power, and preferably with green in it.

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>>54731500
just japes m8

best way to shut down breya? she recurs shit constantly and can remove a lot of creatures with -4/-4 ability.

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>>54725416
Pic related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m4685liWb0

Mayael:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n63UbX5kzAc

>>54731649
Linvala 1.0
Rest In Peace
Stony Silence
Voidstone Gargoyle
Aura of Silence
Supression Field
Null Rod
Damping Matrix
Cursed Totem
Pithing Needle

so I'm making a deck for each possible combo and color. I need suggestions for good fun commanders in each of the missing color combos. also what strategy works best I'm building in a range ofc power levels from casual to competitive.
so far I got
WGR marat
WGU rafiq
RUG animar
GUB delve dude
WRB alesha*
GR angry omnath
UB circu
WB selenia *
G ezuri
W kemba
B crovax the acursed
R neheb*

*under construction.

>>54730592
Never said MLD and spikes were related. I was instead pointing out the irony that you're calling someone casual who plays MTG's premiere casual format. Was also pointing out the irony that people need to consistently power up their decks but asking someone to power down their deck is demonstrative of bad deckbuilding. Lastly, the comic isn't making fun of spikes, it's making fun of tryhards.

>>54731689
>>54725582
>>54725651
>>54725726
>>54725947
>>54726052
>>54729514
>>54729750
>>54729840

/edh/ has really bad taste in music I see

>>54731892
Your mother.

>>54731696
i hate having to put in anti gy shit in my deck. like such a waste of space because of one guy

>>54731764

Mono U padeem artifacts could be fun

Good red spot removals besides Chaos Warp? Or are the only good ones mass removal like Blasphemous Act?

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>>54731892
>meme poll
>an assortment of different styles gets posted
>here comes the elitist cunt
Please enlighten us in your hipster ways

>>54731861
Spikes and tryhards are literally the same thing in this concept.

>>54731919
>Only one guy uses his graveyard

Tell me more, does only one guy use enchantments too? What about artifacts?

It's really hard to find a deck that doesn't interact with their yard, usually someone has to build a deck like that on purpose.

>>54731974
Red doesn't really get good spot or mass removal in EDH, it's really just the two you mentioned. You can rock lightning bolt if you want, it's not completely terrible. Fissure isn't great but it exists at least. Valakut is pretty good for this too if you run the right package.

>>54732074
no, everyone uses enchantments, artifacts, creatures, and lands. there's just one guy that makes heavy use of his gy to the point where you need to address that specifically

>>54722794
Fateful showdown is card draw

>>54731974
removal for what?
Into the Core exiles two artifacts at instant speed for 4CMC, Sulfurous Blast can do 2/3 to each creature on the board at the same cost
Vandalblast is probably in the top 10 for artifact removal.
Spitebellows is hilariously effective at picking off a single creature with toughness <7
Descent of the Dragons can be removal or a win con if you have enough little dudes on the field
Firery conclusion, Brimstone Volley, Fated Conflagration all can deal 5 to a creature
Shrapnel Blast, Lightning Axe, and Artillerize are other options

>>54725416
>Breya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thQd1KYCgKU

>Karador
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnrGMHhnqrw

>>54731974
I play aftershock but it's not good just versatile. sorcery speed kills it.

>>54731974
Not really good ones, no.
Your best bet are X spells like Comet Storm, or spells that offer other utility, like Abrade.

>>54725743
theres one coming out when we come to domaria

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>>54732224
I'd almost just consider playing Brittle Effigy over some damage spells.

Time to get even faster mana and run over my friends with oona

>>54732130
punish him for using such a fragile archetype
get a Kalitas2.0/Grafdigger's Cage/Scavenging ooze

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>>54731974
Fiery Confluence is God-tier
First mode can wipe dorks/utility creatures
Second Mode can deal with Walkers
Third mode takes care of problematic artifacts/rocks
It's an overall great card for denying the early resources that a lot of the format hinges on

>>54732312
i suppose with a few minor changes and some recursion i could keep him out of the game. i already run academy ruins and a nihil spellbomb and bojuka bog might do the trick

>>54732354
>Second Mode can deal with Walkers

It does?

>>54732239
>>Breya
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thQd1KYCgKU

Damn, that's pretty good

>>54731892
olivia was a joke song thou

>>54732436
It's bait.

>>54732424
Any noncombat damage you'd deal to a player can be sent to their Planeswalkers, even if it's not targeting the player.

>>54732463
Oh but the opponent must choose whether it gets redirected to walkers or not. You can't target walkers with something that says opponent or player?

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>>54732424

>>54732312
>Not RiP or Leyline of the Void

Both cards have cool interactions too like Energy Field with RiP or Mists of Stagnation with Void

>>54732486
>Hownu.ru

>>54732496
Wow, that changes a lot. Didn't know that and my group's few walkers are a lot more vulnerable

Appreciate the help man, thanks

Why do people cry about Iona when Scour from Existence is a thing?

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What do you include with her besides obvious things like Swords of X&Y, Batterskull, Skullclamp and Jitte?

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>>54732496
>all these years in response to casting a burn spell and the opponent asking if I was going for him or the Walker before he responded
Oh my god.

>>54732486
Everything you've said there is wrong.
The player dealing the damage to an opponent gets to choose if the damage will go to the planeswalker, the opponent does not. You don't ever target the planeswalker, you redirect the damage when it would be dealt to the opponent. The choice is made during resolution, so you don't even have to tell them you're planning on killing their walker until they've let it resolve.

>>54732537
It really hoses mono coloured decks and people don't really want to have a single autoinclude in case of one extremely powerful creature because literally all of their other spells go to shit. It's a complaint mainly from the really new/casual players and that's usually where she sees play

>>54732537
Doesn't help much when someone reanimates/show and tells Iona on turn 3

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>>54725416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxJUbd66Vcc

>>54731919
That's why you have hate built into other effects. Kalitas 2, Bojuka Bog, Agent of Erebos, Angel of Finality, Scooze, etc.

>>54732537
>>54732564
I ran it for months in my Gonti deck for this very reason, despite never seeing her, and it finally paid off last friday in a 1v1 when a GW opponent podded his abusable Terrastodon for his freshly bought Iona and she spent about 0,5 seconds on the table

I'd be pressed to run All is Dust in any other deck though, or better yet, do multicolored

>>54732538
basalisk collar, lightning greaves/swiftfoot boots, sunforger (when applicable)
inquisitor's flail, sword of the animist, sword of vengence, argentum armor, loxodon warhammer, assault suit are some other options

>>54732629
That's definitely the case. The longer I play the more I realize I just cant have a card to fix every situation. I need cards that cover multiple scenarios when playing control.

And if I don't, pack more counters and boardwipes.

>>54731343
But anon, that would be transphobic!

>>54732486
You absolutely get to pick. Stop believing this.

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>2 out of 4 decks have UG in the color identity
>RGU timmy face smash and BGU reanimator toolbox
>want to build a third deck with UG

fuck

should i just give into the temptation? i try building something else but get bored halfway through because apparently only UG colors are allowed to get interesting commanders and stuff

also do you guys think the UG dickhead stigma is strictly for goodstuff decks or just any decently built deck with UG?

>>54732784
Play Great Snake Mistake. It's shit.

SPOILERS WHEN

>>54732882
TOMORROW

>>54732892
SOURCE

PLEASE

>>54732784
I struggled for the longest time with that question. I find that to reach UG levels of value, you need 3 color combos - Abzan, Grixis or Esper (haven't tried Mardu, but don't expect much). I tried half the best monocolor options, but they have holes in their coverage so large, my opponents could drive a trailer through them and park it in my butthole. Then I tried UG, BUG and RUG, which allowed me to finally do shit about every turn and not just wait for the good circumstances. The most frustrating shit was playing monored. Guys who did a color combination power ranking were right all along.

>>54732658
>Running that shit in gonti
But gonti would be like the one mono-colored deck that doesn't particularly give a shit about Iona, just play your opponents removal on her if it comes up.

>>54732898
THE MTG STORY PODCAST IIRC, THEY BARELY TALKED ABOUT THE VAMPIRE DECK AND SAID THEYRE STARTING THIS WEEK.

I love you

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>>54725416
For ma main man
https://youtu.be/Pn2-b_opVTo
Or this;
https://youtu.be/nfWlot6h_JM

>>54732939
Vampire deck?!

>>54732974
I think sharp dressed man got better for Gonti.

>>54732913
i mean, i have 2 decks that don't run UG, and those decks are strong too. my monoblack is probably my strongest deck, but it's very linear, fast and unfun for the opponents (it's skithiryx, duh)

i'm not even building UG because it's easy and powerful, it's really just that i need the colors to play the fun cards that i want to play.

i'm still throwing an autistic fit over this because when i was starting out in EDH, i decided i didn't want to build UG because it looked like such a boring and easy way to play the game, and that line of thinking is still strong with me

>>54732996
Possibly... Darling

>>54732985
One of the decks is Mardu Vampires, then you have Selesnya Cats, Grixis Wizards and WUBRG Dragons

>>54732985
Do you live under a fucking a rock?

>>54733070
No, bro. In a condo.

>>54733023
I was bullied by my Simic friend since 9th edition with my rakdos decks, so I developed a deep seated distaste towards them, but being able to actually play cards you want instead of some horrid abominations you are sorry to see on topdeck is priceless

>>54733023
>i need the colors to play the fun cards that i want to play
>i decided i didn't want to build UG because it looked like such a boring and easy way to play the game
You're either having fun with UG, or you're not.

If I use Mirage Mirror to copy Glen Elendra Archmage, and then pay U to sacrifice it to counter a noncreature spell, what happens to the Mirage Mirror?
Does it go to the graveyard and stay there, does it come back to the battlefield as regular Mirage Mirror?

>>54733123
that part was in reference to how i had seen other people build UG, which was the same 50 goodstuff UG cards over and over again. UG goodstuff is the most boring fucking archetype ever and i stand by that.

i personally tend to build heavily towards synergies with a few answers in between

>>54733217
>If I use Mirage Mirror to copy Glen Elendra Archmage, and then pay U to sacrifice it to counter a noncreature spell, what happens to the Mirage Mirror?
>Does it go to the graveyard and stay there, does it come back to the battlefield as regular Mirage Mirror?

it does come back as far as i know. it gains persist when it becomes a copy of glen, so it does come back with a -1/-1 counter as the base form of Mirage Mirror. at least that's how xmage resolves it and xmage is rarely wrong about stuff

>>54733280
So because it has a -1/-1 counter on it, if I were to copy Glen Elendra again and activate the ability, it wouldn't come back because it has a -1/-1 counter?

Started getting back into EDH and I just found out that generals have the option to not be shuffled into the library or bounced back the to hand by an effect. What do you guys think of it?

>>54733309
I think so. Counters usually persist since the creature didn't leave play.

>>54732435
i tried to get something that fit. it was either machine by regina spektor or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PRjivglNzQ

>>54733280
>>54733385
Cool, thanks

>>54733363
it's a nerf to White, lesser extent Blue
could be worse

>>54733454
I thought it was always that way. Commanders are supposed to return to the command zone when leaving play except for phasing.

>>54733397
You chose right.

>>54733494
you're right, sy borg will be the song to my next deck: silas renn and akiri

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I'm pretty surprised we're so close to the release of the new Commander set and we still haven't gotten more leaks since the Cat commander.

>>54733481
this change was made a year or three ago, it isn't that new anymore

>>54733569
They realized cats were a mistake and are trying to bury the set.

>>54727317
MORE WHEELS
WHEELS INTO WHEELS
BEDLAM
SWING
WIN

>>54727317
Rocks
Rituals
High Tide

>>54733569
Same. I just want the lists.

exactly what happens when a commander dies? does it go to the gy and then bounces back to the command zone if you choose, thereby activating "when this dies" stuff?

>>54733883
no, its a replacement effect. If the commander is sent to the CZ instead of the graveyard, it never "dies" and abilities that trigger from creature death (skullclamp, for example) won't go off

How would you guys feel about this as a commander:

Dickface the Rad
3RB
Legendary Creature Demon Avatar

Last Strike
~ gains attack equal to the damage dealt to it during combat.

When this creature is dealt combat damage, it deals that much damage to each opponent during the following endstep.

0/6

>>54733949
You sure about that? Unless the cause effect specifically mentions it, if the commander dies from lethal damage, boardwipe, or a spell that destroys it, it dies and still can get sent to CZ or GY.

>>54733975
why would anyone bother blocking a 0/6?

>>54733975
Fucking awful, go back to the custom card containment thread

>>54733975
>>54734012
Please stay out of the custom card thread. Just stop entirely.

>>54734001
You don't block it, you use it to block other creatures. It doesn't strike me as overtly busted and my playgroup is doing a custom commander thing.

>>54734012
>>54734035
Hi, it seems like your both new here, but that's okay! There is always room for improvement. Please ignore posts you find objectionable, otherwise your attitude fosters lower level of discourse and petty inconsequential arguments.

Have a wonderful day, and happy posting!

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>>54733975
>last strike

>>54733984
how many new people are in this thread?

>>54734110
It's an actual mechanic. Technically triple strike is possible but I understand how tripling damage is silly. I was just trying to use the concept in a practical non-shit application.

>>54733984
I'm positive.
http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php
>If a Commander would be put into a library, hand, graveyard or exile from anywhere, its owner may choose to move it to the command zone instead. Details

>This is a replacement effect. It applies last and may apply multiple times to an event.
The creature never goes to the original destination zone and will not trigger abilities that trigger based on going there (e.g. "dies" triggers).
>The creature never goes to the original destination zone and will not trigger abilities that trigger based on going there (e.g. "dies" triggers).

>>54734176
You can choose, though. So for example you can recycle your commander for graveyard-removal effects by having it go there, then putting it in the command zone instead of being exiled.

>>54734197
That is, when the exile effect happens you put it in the command zone from the graveyard.

>>54734197
yes, many commanders are built around getting them to die (Child of Alara)

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guys i'm building rashmi. it's a deck where i cast 1 shitty instant spell on every person's turn so that i can draw more shitty instant spells to cast. seeing as how this archetype is immensely annoying and overpowered in edh, please recommend me some fun goofy cards that i can use in it

>use edhrec

i explicitly want spicy tech that people will go "what the heck" with, like pic related

i've already more or less went through all the green and blue instants in my colors on magiccards

>>54734392
counter everything and draw from the counters :)

>>54734453
ya i have a few counters but i refuse to run anything that doesn't have some special extra flavor, like desertion or spelljack or something

>>54734159
>It's an actual mechanic.
Are you an actual retard?

>>54729824
I run my Kambal deck like a BW Soul Sisters deck with some Extort/Pillowfort tossed in.

I have found that Dark Tutelage works well for card advantage and adds to your enchantment count. Kambal's lifegain helps to offset any loss that high CMC spells bring.

Creature-wise I find that Archfiend of Depravity and Vizkopa Guildmage do some heavy lifting. Archfiend keeps go wide strategies in check and Vizkopa lets you dump excess mana to further drain everyone around the table.

>>54734584

New thread

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>>54734392
The additional cost of Buyback can be payed for with Convoke as well.

>>54733363
I actually dislike it. It made certain commanders even stronger and made "Build around me" decks way more prevalent. I still follow the rules of course, but yeah. I don't know why they removed the tuck rule. It added more ways to deal with threats and having more options in a game is always better than having less.

>>54734524

Why do you refuse to play normal Counterspells?

>>54734392
Not spicy tech, but be sure to run Mind's Dilation. Nothing beats that value train.

If you decide to drop the shitty instant speed idea and go creature heavy, Lurking Predators. If you decide to keep the shitty instant speed idea use Isochron Scepter and combine it with untap effects like Dramatic Reversal or Paradox Engine.

Any spell with buyback may be a good value. If you are running mana producers or untap effects consider Sprout Swarm.

>>54734524
oh well then you are an idiot
stop playing

>>54735396
>REEEEE DON'T HAVE FUN DIFFERENTLY THAN ME REEEEEE

>go to swing at one anon for lethal
>if the card connects i get stuff that i need to use to kill the other player
>nah anon i scoop im not going to let you get that trigger
>anon 3 kills me as a result because anon 2 scooped before the trigger

is it ok for me to be mad about this? i feel like i was fucked over pretty hard

>>54735677
While that's 100% a legal, and even smart move on the player who you swung at, it's kind of bullshit. In my group whenever someone tries to pull that shit "Oh I'm going to lose if the stack resolves/if I let that guy hit me and get his trigger, I'm just going to scoop." I just tell the player who would win continue as if it did resolve, if the player who scooped bitches I just explain he's not in the game anymore so his input isn't relevant.

I don't understand why people have to be spiteful in a casual card game. No one is going to win a prize, it's just dudes having fun and if you lose it just means you get to shuffle up and play more games.

tl;dr I would be a little salty because it's petty, but it's completely legal and in the rules

>>54735677
No, it isn't okay to be mad about that. He didn't do anything wrong and frankly it was a smart play to let you have it. A little ribbing in a casual format is kinda fun.

>>54735677
we homeruled that scooping can only be done as sorcery because of bullshit like this

>>54731343
wizards would never be so based. they are trying to appeal to dirty casuls who buy shitty cat commanders.