EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54384105

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My ability to fuck up the most basic things is matched only by this board's ability to let persistent generals die without reincarnation.

>Naked Solemnularity
Also, does Naked Singularity have a 5C identity or colorless identity?

>>54384182
It's 5 color since the mana symbols are rules text not reminder text.

>>54384188
Poo. Guess it's Progenitus/Child of Alara for my gimmick deck.

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>>54384105
>bro commanders
Good ol' Brion is pretty bro tier to me. Probably because he has a fun game plan of throwing things, is relatively bullshit free, and can actually try to win the game.

>>54384211
Cumulative upkeep 3 is pretty rough though

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>>54384213
>tfw joking with the table about Boros being bad before buffing a Pummeler to 7.4*10^14 power. and flinging face

>>54384308
Solemnity stops age counters from being put on CU cards.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/emracool-the-gig-is-up-2/

Any tips at first glance for my Eldrazi tribal deck? Supposed to be casual, also this is a rough first draft so pls no bully.

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Will this copy thopter tokens?

>>54384393
Yes

>>54384327
There are plenty of better choices than basic Wastes, unless your meta is seriously dominated by Blood Moon or you have a lot of basic fetching. Ghost Quarter, Homeward Path, Reliquary Tower, Wasteland, Strip Mine, Sea Gate Wreckage, Ruins of Oran-Rief, Inventor's Fair, Darksteel Citadel, Nephalia Academy, and so on are fair considerations.

>>54384393
Yes, but you shouldn't. If you can make seven thopter tokens you can make eight, and it checks for eight artifacts that are the same, not for the artifact that it's attached to to be the same as seven others.

>>54384481
Alright noted. What about amount of lands? Do I need more?

>>54384481
>>54384573
Don't forget Geier Reach Sanitarium.

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What are some more infinite Combat Combos? Especially in Naya colors.

>>54384656
Savage Ventmaw/Sword of Feast and Famine+Aggravated Assault.

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>>54384105
I've been considering for a long time building a flavor deck based on tripping on acid with pic related as a commander, naked singularity is a must include. Any other wacky arts/effects I should include?

>Most bro commander

Cromat is pretty bro imo

>>54384656
Breath of Fury is infinite with something that creates tokens when it attacks (like that Hanweir Garrison)

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>>54384695

I'm going to use this, though just ordered Cromat in case it doesn't work out.

>>54384695
Chaos should be a must, as should cards that need more reminder text and rules clarification than rules text. Grip of Chaos, Confusion in the Ranks, Thieves Auction, Humility, Opalescence (and other mass type change: Mycosynth Lattice, Enchanted Evening, Bludgeon Brawl), Copy enchantment, Time Stop (and other end the turn), Word of Command (and Mindslaver), Camouflage, Illusionary Mask. You should have at least one instance of Phasing (Vodalian hypnotist?), at least one instance of Banding (Urza's Engine?)... I feel like if an opponent utters the words "What the fuck is going on?" you have won a moral victory.

>>54384573
Almost half of your deck revolves around ultimately providing mana, but your curve is actually a bit low in comparison. I would try to find just a few more big guys to round it out like Blightsteel/Darksteel Colossus and Wurmcoil.

>>54384776
>5.18 average cmc
>"low curve"

am i being memed

>>54384742
Never noticed his head was the remains of a giant pumpkin before.

>>54384105
>no discord
god bless OP

>>54384814
Which is also the Shadowmoor set symbol.

>>54384105
>Most bro commander?
brozilek obviously

>>54384327
What even is this? It's casual, but I mean, why?


Anyways, kuldotha forgemaster is pretty fantastic. Gruesome slaughter isn't very good either.

>>54384393
>>54384562
Copy something like Myr Battlesphere.

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>>54384879

HOLY SHIT!

>>54384213
Bro with DSLs is best bro.

>>54384799
It's Eldrazi

>>54385018
Bet you thought it was a wing.

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>>54384879
>>54385135
>tfw you realize the lorwyn symbol is a knife ear

>>54384674
New Neheb, Bear Umbra, and Nature's Will are also really good post combat mana producers. And Hellkite Tyrant is a nice second Aggravated Assault, though a bit awkward to pull off because you need the mana when it attacks.

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>>54384393

Copy, with Mry Battlesphere ?! By God if I could do that in my colorless EDZ de-I CAN!

>>54385208
It could also be a leaf.
I don't think there's an official word on it.

>>54385267
Panoptic Mirror is banned.

>>54385267
>Livonya Silone
Patrician Taste.

>>54385270

> Symbol description
The Reaper King's Crown.

>>54385307
Lorwyn, anon. It's an elf ear or a leaf.

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I asked last thread and got some good advice on things to add to my Mannichi deck. Now what things should I switch out to put my maybe board in, and would there be any other cards I should know of?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/firewall-of-kamigawa/

>>54384799
Look, your deck has 14 creatures with CMC 7+ that you can't consistently tutor for or protect, a handful of which might not even swing the game all that much (Breaker of Armies really doesn't do that much work for 8 mana on it's own in a multiplayer game). I can only assume that you'll be trying to beat the counterspells, removal, and lack of tutors via the sheer amount of bombs you're packing and what recursion you have, and right now the amount of actual bombs in your deck is kinda lacking. Put some more big guys in it, dummy.

>>54385289

Yeah, my new colored commander, I'm used to colorless. My main playing partner and I made his first EDH with Omnath, but it was half my build half his. I facilitated his next deck, Zur. He's taken the reigns so I'm going to make "the rest of the color pie" for opposing decks.

>>54385285

Thanks. Either way, more is better?

>>54384327

It's not memed enough I say.

>>54385341
i'm not the emrakul anon

>>54385371

Erp...12h binge is bad for congnitive faculties, I pontif.

congnative

>>54384105
/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

>>54385509
based anon
the hero we deserve
not the hero we need

>>54384695
Good choice my friend
Consider Mind's Dilation because... well look at the card
I've been considering a similar deck with a shit load of extra turns and really streeeetch that trip out.

>>54384695
Anon who had that 5c goodstuff deck and whined that your friends didn't want to pay to play with you, this is how to build a fun casual 5c deck.

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Fun.

>>54385801
>black gets 2 mana extra turns in 1v1

wotc?? the fuck??

>>54385837
Fun fact, it also makes it nearly impossible to counterspell your shit later in the turn.

Taking into account your options for commanders

1-GB, UG, UW, UR
2-GW, UB, RG
3-RB, WB
4-RW

>>54385837
It's more like a 2 mana silence

What's jankier, winning with Maze's End or the cheese stands alone?

What are some cozy wide commanders? I want to build a big board, preferably tokens and stuff, and then play politically. Seems like most token/wide decks just want to swarm but I have enough aggressive decks as it is so I wanna do something different, preferably with an unique buiildaround commander

I've thought of

>hapatra, but a friend is thinking of building her
>queen marchesa, but i already got a pillowfort deck
>maybe mono blue wizards? sadly mono blue isn't cheap to build and i love budget decks
>edric, but i know he's kinda boring

currently hapatra is the closest to what i want but dang my friend is building her and i literally just built a BUG reanimator deck so there would be overlap

>>54386048
>the cheese stands alone?
this
maze's end, while jank, is waaaay easier

>>54386048
Cheese Stands Alone is jankier, because you're so exposed with it.

>>54386086
MonoRed Grenzo? You play politics with his goad ability and you can go wide with small tokens and use those "power 2 or less can't be blocked" cards to ensure hits.

>>54386086
Run a more aggressive Queen Marchesa list. You don't have to run her as a pillowfort, especially since the main reason people do that is to avoid the politics of the monarcy and not let go of it. You get upside even if you don't keep the monarchy.

Alternately, OG Grenzo is also pretty awesome. You've got the flexibility to cast him cheap (especially with a Hero's Blade out) or expensive, the fact that a lot of the essentials are cheap, and the ability to flex into any subtheme you want. Tokens? Siege-Gang Commander and others. Fortuitous Find helps us in colors that don't normally protect artifacts, and we'll have a lot. Run a sack theme with Ashnods. You can go hardcore and throw in Dictate of Erebos effects, Impact Tremors, and Zulaport Cutthroat plus a ton of tokens and weenies, or go for commander damage and some big creatures that you can get if you're willing to treat Grenzo as 5+ cmc instead of 2cmc.

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>post yfw one of the remaining c17 tribes is samurai

>>54385353
>Panoptic Mirror
Might be good to have just incase Sheldon pulls another Protean Hulk.

>>54386980
It would be fairly enjoyable. Like, I've wanted to use Fumiko, Kentaro, Iizuka, and maybe Toshi in a deck together so a good (mardu? Please not boros it would be doomed to suck) samurai commander would be fairly nice to have.

>>54387030
>>54386980
I just want them to make Kentaro except somehow with a two or three color identity.

>>54386131
Seconding Mono-R Grenzo. Goad is an underrated mechanic in multiplayer.
>Goad the green player's Oracle of Mul Daya into attacking
>It's not my fault the other player chose to block it with his Solemn Simulacrum :^)

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>>54387129
Thirding Grenzo. You can play all the red "politics" cards.

Besides Eldrazi Processors, what are some nice tech for non-zombie Scarab God?

>>54387129
>>54387232
>>54386131
i've been interested in grenzo, but the problem is that he gets completely owned by a single board wipe. it's too bad he's mono red, he would've been amazing if he was R + any color in the game.

i kinda wanna play something a bit more resilient than that

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>>54386980
>mfw

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>>54387232
Best red politics card.

>>54387260
Sire of Stagnation, Trapanation Blade,

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>>54387404
Already got both, and by god is it fun to flash in Sire of Stagnation in response to Explosive vegetation

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how do i know how many lands to run? currently sitting at 34, but i have like 12 mana dorks and creatures who fetch lands, 5 instant/sorcs that fetch lands as well as the usual sol ring+signet and thought vessel.
Idk if people count Mirari's wake or not but I have that as well.

my commander is Selvala, Explorer Returned so she can ramp as well.

>>54386980

>Mardu Samurai C17

I'd buy three. One to play as is, one to modify and change up, and one more to have another one.

>>54387485
In Selvala you actually want to cut lands, down to around 30, because hitting them with her parley does nothing for you.

>>54387503
that's a good point actually, thanks.

>>54384393
What you really want to hit with this is darksteel citadel.

Can Phyrexian Plaguelord deal damage on stack and then sac himself so he can deal 4 and then however much -x/-x he does

>>54384213
I wanna make a Brion vehicles deck and chuck trains at people.

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>>54387949
>damage on stack
The rules was changed so damage on the stack was removed. You could let it block a power <4 creatures then sac it, but once it takes 4 damage after blocks, it's dead without other means or regeneration or buffs

>>54385927
Is there a second part that you forgot to write?

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>>54385333
>never ever

Post your dream commanders, anons.

>>54388187
It's rankings for two color commander options. Golgari, Simic, Azorius, Izzet, then Selesnya, Dimir, Gruul, then Orzhov, Rakdos, then Boros.

>>54388263
I want a rooftop storm on a stick.

>>54388263
Mono color partners. That's all I want wizards, shame I have to wait u til at least next year for it

>>54388281
Ah, I get it.
I'd rank Orzhov better a bit.

>>54388350
That would be great. They're still missing a few ally 2c commanders. They could print 2 mono partners in each.

>>54388350
I just want an errata to partners that lets them work beside any general.

Phage needs a touch of blue, dammit.

Does kefnet's monument decrease the cost of morph creature?

>>54388263
>>54388501
Alright, new challenge. Just like with my Mannichi, take a mono commander and add exactly one color. Add up to two triggered/activated abilities that fit the new color combo. Then increase the commander's mana cost.

>>54388263
>>54388547
kindly fuck off to some containment thread with your card creation. People are discussing the real game here.

>>54388263
mass, non-targeted power/toughness switching was a mistake. Good thing it's in the shittiest color

>>54388638
No, they aren't.

>>54388813
yes they are you little bitch. were you the one creating Modern 'Custom Cards' generals that people promptly ignored? Dose of reality: your custom cards suck, most people don't want to see them polluting good threads, you are not as creative as you think. Now fuck off.

>>54388501
I like that idea.

>>54388943
I'm not the one who posted it. I just joined the thread a few minutes ago and it looks stagnant as fuck at the moment.

>>54385333
How does this deck tend to work out for you in testing? I can't imagine it goes well since you have to have some kind of trick to keep all of your walls from dying once they lose their toughness.

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>>54384105
I fucking hate magic the gathering but I love me some EDH.

>>54384742
>rite of replication
>25 destroy target permanent triggers on the stack

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>>54388943
kitty's got claws

>>54388943
Fedoras>>54388263
detected.

>>54389024
No it does not work well unless I can get them first strike and various +1+1 effects, even so direct damage spells would kill the weakened walls. That custom blue/red Mannichi that >>54388263
posted would be nice and give access to endless removal, but would likely never exist. Hopefully I can scavenge usegul cards in red from future sets.

>>54388263
>making creatures and not gamestate altering enchantments

Zzzzzzz

>>54389142
I figured about as much. Red has so many cool commanders, but it's held back by being, well, Red.

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>>54388547
Who /Boros Spellslinger/ here?

>>54388514
No.

- morph cards are colourless facedown spells when cast facedown.

702.36c "To cast a card using its morph ability, turn it face down. It becomes a 2/2 face-down creature card with no text, no name, no subtypes, and no mana cost. Any effects or prohibitions that would apply to casting a card with these characteristics (and not the face-up card’s characteristics) are applied to casting this card. "

- unmorphing is not a casting at all so no reductions there as well

>>54388027
Thats basically me.
t. started with IceAge.

>>54389274
>>54388027
I called a judge on my opponent scrying after a mullingan when I've returned after a hiatus.

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Mirage Mirror plays. Go.

>Be Mardu
>Copy scarab god on the stack
>Copy blue land on the stack
>Make blue
>Use scarab god's ability to steal what scarab god's owner was targeting before his resolves

This shit is broke.

>>54389314
>Be Mardu
>Make blue

903.9. If mana would be added to a players mana pool of a color that isnt in the color identity of that players commander, that amount of colorless mana is added to that players mana pool instead.

anon...

>>54389359
hasn't this rule been changed recently?

>>54389314
Playing lands doesn't use the stack.

>>54389359
this was reverted a few months back anon

>>54389386
Yeah, came along with the Prophet ban.
http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18057

>>54389359
I knew that was a thing when I started playing commander until a few weeks ago. Apparently it got changed and everybody I've met and played with in/around my store's been in agreement so stuff like that's been legal. I looked it up and it seemed legit.

>>54389409
Copy. Mirror's ability on the stack.

>>54389409
He means he copied Scarab, then copied a blue land before letting the effect resolve, then tapped for blue.

>>54389409
he means that he puts mirror copying island on the stack.

>>54389421
>>54389429
>>54389386
>>54389430
thanks guyz
tfw recently returned to the game after a break

Any mass "return nonland permanents to their hands" in white?

>>54389552
Boros has Leave//Chance, scapegoat lets you return your creatures (additional cost of sacrificing one),

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>>54389552
Also kinda this. Don't forget to use Sundial of the Infinite to give'em the 1-2-Punch!

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Anyone have FTV Angel cards?
I want the Akroma art in it but I'm worried it will be curled to hell and back.

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>>54389182
>Not making gamestate altering Uncards

>>54389488
Basically what happened is they printed Kozilek 2.0 and everyone was like "Won't it be awkward that you could cast this by having stuff that produces any color of mana and just choosing to produce the wrong color?". And it would've been awkward, so the Rules Committee decided not to do that anymore.

>>54389210
You dropped his ping ability though, so his last became kinda useless. Maybe make him ping a critter when you cast a inst/sorc?

>>54389880
kek hopefully something like that is on the next Un-set.

>>54389862
I do. My copy is completely flat, and I don't recall ever having to put any effort into flattening it.

They've improved since the early ones.

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To the guys here who're trying to build ever possible color combination out there, how do you decide what deck to build next?

I'm currently standing at 15 decks now that I've finished my Kruphix mass-draw/mill deck , which leaves me with 17 more decks (12 if I don't include the other 4-colors and colorless since I don't think I'll make those soon), and I've got 5 decks I have set plans on as it is (6 really, but Jund Dragons is on hold until C17's out). Which of these sounds the most fun to make next

>Mageta the Lion boardwipes/untap strats
>Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer bribery/board politics
>Yasova Dragonclaw stealing/cloning
>Dakkon Blackblade lands matter
>Saskia creatures/artifacts/lands only with a side of warrior/soldier tribal mixed in

>>54389862
I got FTV:A and it came out of the box curled as hell. But a couple months in a cool, dry house underneath the complete works of shakespeare flattened the lot of them and they've not curled again in the years since. Same thing cleared up dragons, and those were the only two FTV sets I bought in person. All FTV cards I've bought online have come completely flat.

>>54390059
Build from picking commanders, rather than picking colors. Look for a commander you'd like to play in a combination you haven't built yet.

>>54389605
still very salty its not mono white

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I want an interesting Jund Commander

>>54390332
Wasitora >; 3

>>54390332
Ikra/Vial Smasher mite b cool

>>54390332
prosh

there's an unique combo involving him and food chain, but i won't spoil what it is

>>54390332
You're going to sacrifice stuff and/or play dragons and you're going to like it.

>>54386980
>Mardu Samurai
>No longer have to play Sensei Golden-Tail memes (the temptation to get a Soldier 61 alter with "you're all samurai now" is real)

>Mardu Warriors
>Warriors finally get some real support, some jank tribal cards added onto ones that are actually good hopefully, a tribe I've wanted for some time now

>Mardu Knights
>Knight Tribal without needing to be a shitty Adriana deck

So what you're telling me is, Mardu or riot?

>>54386131
>monored grenzo
That card is underrated.

>playing against a buddy, get grenzo and altar of the brood out
>swing with a fucktillion tokens
>if he blocks, he gets brooded. If he doesn't, grenzo does the same thing, but worse
>won by smacking him with my tokens then nuking them with blasphemous act for a total of 42 exiled cards in one turn

>>54390367
I'd rather Vial/Reyhan or Vial/Tana.

>>54390411
>if he blocks, he gets brooded
Huh what, are you maybe thinking of another card?

>>54390390
I'd take Warriors.
If I don't get one in this set, then I'll just build 4c finger pointer because green in warriors is in my opinion good enough to consider.

I'm currently building a mono blue Braids deck. Anyone got some suggestions?
The idea is to get big fat creatures out, steal those the opponents get out, and if all else fails, send them back to their hands. I didn't add Blighsteel colossus, the real Eldrazi and the Praetor on purpose, I wanted to keep the list casualfriendly.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blue-is-the-warmest-color-1/

>>54390411
What do you think Altar of the Brood does?

Who's the best Orzhov commander? I was looking at building Athreos. How do I make him do shit?

>>54390596
aristocrats

>>54390596
Creepy Uncle Karl is best.

>>54390332
xira arien and adun oakenshield are both cool

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>>54390411
>if he blocks, he gets brooded. If he doesn't, Grenzo does the same thing, but worse
>won by smacking him with my tokens then nuking them with Blasphemous Act for a total of 42 exiled cards in one turn
What in the actual fuck

>>54390696
>Creepy Uncle Karl
Fucking what?

>>54390622
So just fill it with shit like Blood Artist? Okay.

>>54390753
yes, zulaport guy, some shadowborn apostles, big demons and razaketh. also things like gravepact and the flash enchantment that makes others sacrifice to further tax your opponents

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I accidentally figure out ways to combo off with Ghave faster than actually trying to combo off

>>54390787
does it involve Protean Hulk?

>>54390596
>Ayli
ETB and LTB triggers, the Gathering.

>Karlov
Fifty "gain 1 life" triggers.

>Athreos
Ayli, but you don't have an infinite supply of removal.

>Daxos
O-Ring Tribal.

>Teysa 1.0
Many disposable creatures.

>Kambal
Did you pay for a permit?

>Obzedat
Liquidated assets.

>Teysa 2.0
How about you fuck off?

>Vish Kal
Ayli and Athreos but he costs a million mana.

>Partners
Teysa 1.0 but without the removal. Cleric tribal is cool too.

>Selenia
What if I paid for stuff with your life total instead?

>Triad of Fates
I hate myself.

>Ghost Council
Ayli, Athreos, and Vish Kal, but mediocre.

>Ravos
Did you forget to order the other one?

>Tymna
You're making it weird.

>>54390812
No

>>54389104
>25
It's 30.
Basic math, man. You forgot the original king.

>>54390812
There's probably some 80% chance that any two nonland permanents + Ghave will be a combo somehow.

>>54390787
Ghave is boring. You just play solitaire, the occasional board wipe, than instantly win. I have a $700 deck with shocks and fetches and I'm literally about to dismantle it because it's so boring.

>>54390813
Excellent guide anon. I'll take it to heart, thank you.

>>54390835
king comes in. no trigger. copy 5 times. 25 triggers. whenever ANOTHER scarecrow enters does the effect trigger.

>>54390846
Agree.
Still prefer Karador for GWB combo tho

>>54390373
>The super secret Prossh combo nobody know about

>>54390813
Alt takes:
>Tymna
Deathtouch tribal

>Triad of Fates
I hate WotC and just wanted to play blink in BW

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>>54390859
If you end up playing any of the sacrifice based ones, this card is supremely underloved. Getting to recur an Ashen Rider with it is all sorts of fun, and it gets very silly with a Sun Titan.

>>54390975
There's really no reason to play Tymna without Ravos, is the point.

>>54390332
I want a Jund commander that sacrifices lands for extra mana and can then return lands from the grave for a price. Fits well with black/red's rituals and sac tendencies and green's ramp/land manipulation.

>>54390059
I use mostly staples between commanders, then add cards here and there given specificities of each commander and deck. Then just go buy those little cards you are missing.

Oh, yeah, I don't buy more than one copy of a card. I like having a giant pool of commander cards, then build the deck from there whatching a list. That way I'm not dealing with buying shocks and fetches multiple times.

>>54391079
Cut off red and play HypnoToad

>>54384393
How does this work with battlesphere's etb trigger? It puts the copy sphere out, then does it keep resolving or does it pause for battlesphere's etb to resolve before finishing?

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My playgroup uses a points system to determine who "won" at the end of the night
one of the objectives is to show up with a cool alter and I just cant find anything that can beat my friends alter art.
he keeps squeeking by wins just because he has a cooler alter than me
pic related is his, mine is just a full art selvala :(
where can I go to get something this cool but not make it super obvious I just ripped him off?

>>54390753
Karlov of the Ghost Council.

>>54391127
You won't get the trigger from Battleball until the whole ability finishes resolving, so, no, you won't win if you had less than 8 Myr tokens before it resolves.

>>54391160
Find another playgroup. Yours sounds like cancer

>>54391079
>GitGud
>Angry Omnath
>Titania
>all in the same deck

Excuse me, I need to go towel off.

>>54391160
Tell him to fuck off or play the game correctly. Leagues are cancer for precisely this reason.

>>54391192
>>54391268
thanks for (You)s haha

>>54390813
Can i get a list like this for golgari

>>54391160
>one of the objectives is to show up with a cool alter
>cooler alter
>pic related is his
That alter is fucking garbage and if he "wins" by having that and not related to actual gameplay, then leave that group and never look back.

This is probably bait but I'm biting anyways.

>>54391268
>play the game correctly
STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE
is autism contagious?

What is a spooky commander I can build a spooky deck around that isn't generic zombies?

>>54391192
>>54391268
>>54391340
thats literally not the question
come on I just asked where I can get a decent alter why are you all freaking out over our houserules? this is edh for crying out loud.

>>54391437
skullbrior is a skeleton and comes at you like a horror movie villain

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>>54391437
idk but it needs to include pic related

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>>54391452
Win conditions should be pulling off feats in-game and not who has the prettiest looking card.

>>54391437
Spooky Scary Skeleton Ship

>>54391437
>>54391475
oh oops he's a zombie elemental nevermind then

>>54391500
>should be
how about you leave your subjective values at the door

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What deck can Archangel Avacyn fit in? She's probably a mediocre commander because >boros, but she has to have a home somewhere, right? Angel decks probably aren't it because she won't flip unless a non-angel dies, but it can't really be a white weenie/humans deck either because you might accidentally blow up your own shit.

>>54391437
Phenax with Ashiok hidden commander.

>>54391340
>if he "wins" by having that and not related to actual gameplay
well if you read his post its just one of the (hopefully small) ways to score points

>>54391500
>Spooky Scary Skeleton Ship
needs pirates

>>54391500
just wait till Admiral Beckett Brass

I just got into edh and build my first deck yesterday. Does anyone have some spicy pillowfort marchesa tech?
And alternatively some cool new archetypes or commanders? Cost is no issue as I play on Xmage

>>54391452
How "cool" of an alter someone has is entirely subjective and really shouldn't be a reason to lose points. Especially when their alter is unoriginal and doesn't even fit the card.

>>54391310
I'm not as experienced with Golgari, but I'll try.

>Meren
The mayor of Value town. As with any politician, everyone will hate you.

>Gitrog
Lands.dec

>Jarad
The Aristocrats if they lived in a sewer.

>Glissa
Artifacts Matter, but without any of the Blue or Red stuff that makes that a good idea. Disposable baubles.

>Nath
Trying to make four other people discard their hands one card at a time.

>Hapatra
Make a bunch of 1/1s and then put -1/-1 counters on them.

>Skullbriar
He died, but that's probably fine.

>Mazirek
Jarad, but it takes a bit longer for everyone to die.

>Ishkanah
There aren't really enough good spiders.

>Varolz
Voltron.

>Savra
Jarad and Mazirek, but everyone else has to participate, so it takes even longer.

>Sapling
Might as well spring for Doran at this point.

>Pharika
Enchantment Matters, but you have no O-Rings.

>Thelon
Fungus tribal. Hope you already got a Doubling Season.

>Sisters
Gorgon tribal. What's with these half-baked tribal decks in GB?

>Vhati
A creature with 0 or less toughness is put into its owner's graveyard as a state-based action.

>Rhys
Elf tribal, but the worse of the two.

>Iname
Spirit tribal. I was serious about these bad tribal decks.

>Reyhan
Skullbriar, but less reliable.

>Partners
I can see why you skipped Ikra before.

>Ikra
If you're really going to, just play Sapling.

>>54391531
>subjective values
You mean those things that are being used to judge who has the best alter? That's a great leg you don't have to stand on.

>>54391748
Hit me with a list for Simic, List anon

>>54391748
>>54391785
And for Orzhov too, oh List-Lord

alright i've been fiddling with this deck for the past two days but i suck at deckbuilding and haven't actually played commander yet

s-should i buy it?

https://deckstats.net/deck-13605922-4fe2b6bb307c6723f9cc9714316fae5c.html

>>54391832
>>54390813

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>>54385509
Reported for spamming links when not the OP

>>54391771
>>54391744
its different because you are getting all upset about how I "neeeeeed" to play the game rather than answering the question.
that being
where can I get a kickass alter like my friend has (but not too similar), I really dont give two shits about what you think of my playgroup.

>>54391860
I meant Azorius
Orzhov was the one I wanted to make before I considered that none of the commander sounded appealing to me

>>54386980
But my angels or spirits noooooooooo

>>54391941
>angels
you may as well irradiate yourself right now
because you are pure cancer

What is the current, relatively official stance on returning commanders to a players library? Is it like a rule that that you can choose to send them to the command zone instead, much like how going to grave/exile works?

>>54391785
>Ezuri
Little guys and then suddenly they're not so little.

>Kruphix
Lots of mana and mana sinks.

>Rashmi
"During your end step, I'll cast this"

>Edric
Hey, it'd be real great if you attack someone else.

>Vorel
Atraxa but without any planeswalkers.

>Zegana
So if I make a clone of Zegana, I'll draw how many cards?

>Momir
Toolbox until you combo.

>Kraj
Colon tribal.

>Partners
Mana and something to spend it on.

>Kaseto
Snek tribal. So close, but so far.

>Kydele or Thrasios
You really should just use the other too.

>>54391191
Figured that was the way it worked.

>>54391921
Find an anime girl that you cum to, photoshop Selvala's ruletext over her, and print it out to fit a card. Congrats, you've made a better alter than >>54391160

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>>54391985
>Colon tribal

>>54392003
>Find an anime girl that you cum to
how do you do that?
> print it out to fit a card
that also sounds difficult
dont they just sell alters somewhere?

>>54391748
thank you friend

>>54391352
But he's right

>>54391851
It's kinda hard to read in Deckbox format, but it looks like you're using Selvala as a draw engine with Paradox to elfball out of control. You might consider Birthing Pod, which can untap off of Engine, and Garruk, Caller of Beasts. Freyalise, Planeswalker also is crazy good, a dork generator and artifact/enchantment removal engine. Play it online for a few weeks and see how you like it.

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So I've always been interested in the idea of building Zedruu to break out for politics and lulz every now and then, but I'm not quite sure of some good shit to throw in other than Steel Golem and pic related. Any advice, anons?

>>54392029
>how do I do that?
I think you're on the wrong website anon.

>>54392036
akshewlly hes playing commander more right than just the base rules because they result in more fun
>House rules or "fair play" exceptions are always encouraged if they result in more fun for the local community.

>>54392068
is there a place where they curate a lot of these kinds of images?
if so plz gib
i dont want to lose another tie just to the art again

>>54392072
But it's ashitty alter, he shouldn't win

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>>54392098
>But it's ashitty alter
>ashitty
you can't even type correctly, why would I ever take your opinion into consideration?

>>54392058
thanks. planeswalkers are nice for sure, dunno why i hadn't look on them yet. it's just hard knowing what to cut already.

as for the deck idea it's pretty spot on. initially i just wanted to build a rampy gw goodstuff deck but it quickly turned into an elf tribal deck trying to tap and untap to generate mana, cards and eventually swing with beefy elves.
Hopefully it'll work in practice too.

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>>54391160
>>54391452
>>54391921
>>54392029
>>54392088
>>54392098

>>54392217
i dont know if that would make a good alter desu thanks for the suggestion though

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>>54392064

>>54392139
Says the guy who doesn't even use capital letters at the start of sentences

>>54391923
>Brago
The mayor of Value town's sister city, Card Advantageton.

>Augustin
If you could just wait another turn to do whatever it is you were going to do, that'd be good.

>Bruna
Aura tribal.

>Noyan
Lands.dec, but without any green.

>Ephara
ETBs and tokens.

>Hanna
Sharuum but not black.

>Geist
1v1 me fagit you won't

>Daxos
I would like to draw cards, but not always my cards.

>Ojutai 2.0
Vigilance, please.

>Sygg
Merfolk tribal.

>Gwafa
Pillowfort.

>Isperia 2.0
Also pillowfort, but it costs a bit more.

>Kangee
Bird tribal, so mostly bird tokens.

>Isperia 1.0
Telepathy is never a dead draw.

>Medomai
Alright, I end my turn. Now it's my turn.

>Lavinia
Ephara and Brago, but without the card advantage.

>Temmet
Rite of Replication is real good.

>Rasputin
Flicker and activated abilities. Maybe an activated ability that flickers things.

>Ojutai 1.0
Dragon tribal, missing 90% of dragons.

>Ith
"Suspend only works from your hand?"

>Ishai
Why though

>Legends
No, actually, why though?

>>54392264
So sayeth the one who doesn't even use a period.

>>54392279
Thanks

>>54392064
Mogg Assassin probably isn't good, but it makes for interesting politics situations

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>>54392287
Fair point.

>>54392064
Pyromancer's Swathe, Goldnight Castigator, Aggressive Mining, Grafted Skullclamp, Thought Lash, and Psychic Vortex are all pretty fun with Zedruu

>>54386999
Panoptic Mirror is usually more broken in EDH though and more easily broken. Still, I would love to play it just to Imprint Exhaustion on it.

Has there been any new spoiler?
The other two Commander races, new cards from the Ixalan set, anything?

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>>54392217
>>54392249
We are playing tonight
do you think this will beat that godly alter?

>>54392453
Assuming you've already seen the cat, nope.

>>54391191
But the aura checks for the same name creatures, so you need 8 battle balls, not myr tokens.

>>54392508
Try again.

>>54392508
the aura checks to see if any 8 of your artifacts share a name, not necessarily the name of the artifact it is attached to

>>54392508
See the second Gatherer ruling for the card. You can stick it on darksteel citadel and win by having a billion thropter tokens when the trigger resolves.

>>54390332
A D U N
L A N D S M A T T E R

>theorycraft a deck, play it on xmage a bit
>get bored and promptly forget about the deck
>do the same thing in a couple of days

asdf

i don't even know what i want from this format anymore. i think i'm just bored in general

>>54392683
>asdf
Kjhgill yourself

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>>54392715
let's not say things we can't take back

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>>54390332

>>54392743
HOLY SHIT
THAT ALTER
HNNNG

>>54392683
>i don't even know what i want from this format
sounds like you want friends

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>>54392743

>>54392773
i do have friends but we haven't played in a while. people are away on trips and shit. it's not even the playing part that interests me, i want to make more decks but nothing is really gripping me

>>54392279
>>Geist
>1v1 me fagit you won't
kek

>>54391982
Yes

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Would Gilded Drake work with the Commander too?

>>54392912
No, the commander is still on the battlefield, it's not changing zone

>>54392912
Yes. Even better if you blink the drake and steal everyone's commanders.

>>54392912
Yes. "Battlefield" is one zone, so you don't get to move it to the command zone instead.

>>54386017
it's worse than silence since you can still use black spells unhindered

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I fucking love this card.
Whenever I tried to make RGB massive manaramp grouphug everyone would explode immediately or I'd accidentally combo off in ways I never even intended.
The addition of white and making the commander himself a ramp card with a massive butt let's me add in way more tech that actually interacts with more than just the boardstate.
I'm having so much fun I'm starting to worry that the Wizards police will come and take me away.

Is it worth it to run Solemnity in a Alesha deck? It has some utility with Geralf's Messenger, Murderous Redcap, etc and any sac outlet you have while also working as a general hate card for other decks if they rely on +1/infect/etc counters.

>>54392937
Is there a card to blink cards you own, instead of the ones you control, or you're talking about blinking it while the exchange is on the stack but GD is still technically under your control?

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What's the general consensus on this card? Good enough to take the place of Thran Dynamo? It's a 4 mana investement total and taps for 3 once online, it's online more or less at the same time you could cast the dynamo but it's shittier in the late game. Garbage or good?

>>54393081
Way too fucking slow. Even in Atraxa.

>>54393081
leagues worse than dynamo. not even a consideration in any deck

>>54393081
its good but waaaaaay too slow. id take a gilded lotus over it any day

>>54393081
It looks to me like it's a 6 mana investment, while dynamo is essentially a 1 mana investment since you pay 4 and then just tap it for 3 if you need to

>>54393051
There are plenty of blink effects that target any creature. Roon, Mistmeadow Witch, Long Road Home, and Eldrazi Displacer come to mind. If you blink the drake after its been traded, it returns under your control, and you can trade it again.

>>54393173
You pay 2 but you get 1 in return, you need to do this 3 times plus the 1 cost so 4 mana investment total

>>54393009
>with a massive butt
Well they are gay, so a tough butt is required.

>>54393228
F L A V O R

>>54393081
Good on a budget in real involved decks, when you don't want to commit thag immediate 4 or 6 mana to big rocks and have something open to spend on your opponents turn.
But I'm a fag who tries his best to avoid staples, what do I know?

So what spell combos are you supposed to pull off with Melek to actually win the game? Most of the shitdecks I've seen just have a bunch of carddraw and copy spell effects, but no way t actually finish a game.

>>54392542
>>54392545
>>54392585
Damn. Apparently I can't read. That's a damn fine card then. Extra sweet with Paradox Haze.

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>>54393491
You can have some really spicy wins with that thing

>>54392064
In a Zedruu deck, Bronze Bombshell basically reads:
>4WUR: Deal 7 damage to target player.
Spending a card and 7 Mana in three different colors is not worth dealing 7 to the dome in a 40 life multiplayer format. Give them something like Rust Elemental or Grid Monitor instead.

What cards are you guys enjoying from the new set?
White got some real neat tech this time around with Overwhelming Splendor, Solemnity, Hour of Revelation, Djeru and even Saving Grace and Angel of Condemation.

>>54392947
Stealing other people's commanders is always fun. I once copied someone's Sliver Overlord and used the copy to steal theirs

>>54393439
How is committing several turns worth of work to build a Gilded Lotus better than just playing one? Either can be hit by a Shatter before you get any real value.
I don't follow the logic in avoiding staples if all you're doing is using an inferior version of them.

>>54393673
You can combine it with tokens and >>54393544 for a massive blow-out, and it's a fun one too.

>>54393673
>mirrorweave bombshell
>drop sky swallower
The looks I've gotten for playing Sky Swallower make it worth the 9/10 times it's of no use to me.
Especially those times someone has the gall to cast Gather Specimens.

>>54391907
>Jojoposter is the guy who pretends to be the discord user that doesn't like the link being posted

It all makes sense.

>>54393679
I have a suspicion that Harsh Mentor will be really useful in EDH for heavy combo decks but I haven't tried him yet

>>54393724
Like I just said, leaving mana open for when you have a lot of activated abilities or instants.
And I play EDH because of the breathing room and social creativity it can breed. I get a special little feeling inside when I get to use shit that's never worked for me in other formats or playgroups, rather than just playing gilded lotus for the thousandth time and untapping it a bunch.

>>54392387

Panoptic mirror doesn't seem broken in the slightest to me, certainly way less broken than protean hulk

>>54393841
Thinking like this is exactly what got Divining Top and Skullclamp printed.

>>54392937
Keep in mind that you can't stack triggers with Drake, as in that it doesn't work with DEN

>>54393841
No it isn't broken at all, it only allows for infinite turns with basically any extra turn sorcery! Why the hell would they ban it? Unban Panoptic Mirror!

>>54385801
I like spicy tech

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big apologies for a ruling question, but if my opponent casts Cabal Ritual with 6 cards in the graveyard, does he get threshold from the ritual itself as it resolves or not?

>>54393952
No it goes on the graveyard only after resolving

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>>54392064
>>54393673

>>54393952
No problems, man.
Ask a Judge thread always seems to be down when I want to use it too.

Think about it this way
Cast spell
Spell hits stack
Spell resolves
Spell goes to graveyard

The ability happens before it leaves the stack, hence why a lot of cards simply can't tutor themselves out of the graveyard.

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>>54392064
>>54394015
>cast psychic possession on player 1
>donate it to player 2
>cast copy enchantment targeting psychic possession
>put it on player 2, donate to player 1
>draw 2 extra cards, gain 2 life each turn, two opponents cant draw cards

>>54394142
>tfw doing the thinking for both of them

>>54385267
panopt mirror isnt legal champ

>>54394037
Going to graveyard is a part of the resolution, although the effects happen before it, but state-based actions aren't checked in between.
Think of it like casting Wildfire as you have Magnivore with total of 4 sorceries in all graveyards, he doesn't die before he manages to get the additional PT from Wildfire.

>>54390390
Mardu is best. I'd love to see all of those.
All other tri-colors are for scrubs.

Mardu or riot!

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>tfw the command zone has the best produced edh content on youtube
>their personalities suck
>but they're not bad at edh

>>54394402
>tfw the command zone has the best produced edh content on youtube
Debatable, Commander Clash is better for casual games and personalities, Laboratory Maniacs is better for competitive games

>>54388263
I'd love to see a Zedruu-like commander in Grixis colors so that I can donate Demonic Pact, Abyssal Persecutor, and other Lich cards. Would be cool if the commander himself could donate himself to other players like a Sleeper Agent.

>>54388501
No Phage can't have more colors she's... untouchablue

>>54394462
I actually really like VS commander. Those 4 are just a hoot.

>>54394402
>>their personalities suck
>>but they're not bad at edh

i would say the opposite. i think the dudes are fine but damn they got some shit opinions when it comes to deckbuilding. i looked over their hapatra "tech" and decklist and it was basically all poorly optimized jank with a few tutors for craterhoof mixed in

they also had a guest over who uses the binder system to use gaeas cradle in every deck, but also hates people who proxy

How can I go as wide as humanly possible with Ghave without ashnods altar?

>>54394462
I don't know if it's just me, but the Laboratory Maniacs seem intensely autistic. It might just be that there's a delay whenever they say anything since they're video chatting. Either way I prefer Team Turn Three for competitive.

>>54394493
I like the binder system, but how can you be ok with that but not proxy?

>>54394402
>supporting gooks who insist on building every deck the same
>Josh Li "Damnation is Overrated" Kwai

Even their theory podcasts are bad.

>>54393744
I don't get how any of those cards interact. What do any of them do related to each other?

>>54394500
You can go infinite with Phyrexian Altar

>>54394500
Cryptolith Rite, Life and Limb are slower substitites to the altars that don't go infinite

>>54394471
I growned

>>54394580
Each creature becomes Bronze Bombshell and each one you gift will be sacrificed and do 7 damage each to the opponent

>>54394483
VS Commander is fine but
>Star of David City Jews

>>54394580
>>54394619
Skyswallower donates all your creatures to an opponent and since they are bombshells they also explode for 7 each. So you can kill someone who wasn't blown up by initial mirrorweave.

>>54394513
They seem allright dudes to me, also they do podcasts wich Team Turn 3 doesn't do

>>54394669
Mirrorweave doesn't blow up the opponent's creatures, unless they don't own the creature

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My playgroup is too scared of Sharuum for me to ever get to play her. Does Mishra seem nonthreatening enough or would it be too obvious there are going to be shenanigans?

>>54394733
A little bit of both.
Mishra has both the potential to come online early and the all-around oppressive board control to make him a very strong commander.
However due to his unique nature the ways you can build him are limited.

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>>54394402
Clonehead commander videos are real enjoyable to watch.
>no fat to the point
>you can just feel that its a genuine play group of true blue mates making them for the soul purpose of fun
>chill beats
>some how maintains that old school vibe
>interesting decks from casual to highly tuned
>again, too the point game play. No silly visuals or mid game interveiws, you never even see any of their faces.

Go look them up its a shame they dont get more attention

>>54391437
Blaxos. He makes spoopy spirits and is a zombie that strengthens your ghosties with flashy enchantments. Dashing it with some zombie/tribal cards (graveborn muse, endless ranks of the dead) is helpful while also contributing to your overall theme.

>>54394539
Except it is overrated

Is it me, or are these threads moving a whole lot faster recently?

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>xmage
>testing out ephara instant speed tribal
>playing very politically, pseudo group hug, letting everyone do their fun timmy stuff and stopping all the degenerate shit like combos
>dont get attacked more than maybe once or twice in the entire game, board wipe at instant speed in response
>opponents just smash each other to death while i watch
>end up winning by killing the last remaining player with a copied warstorm surge and a billion blinks
>dude compliments me on my political play

feels good man

>>54393890

Infinite turns isn't that hard to achieve, seems like there are better ways to do it as well. Not to mention many decks don't need infinite turns when 3-4 will be a certain victory

Panoptic mirror would be 10 mana at least to play and activate same turn, and any instant speed removal can stop it. If you try to play it without mana to activate and then untap and activate it, it's unlikely you will succeed

Seems no more broken than any other 2 card combo out there, and it also leaves you more vulnerable than others, since you must exile your extra turn spell.

>>54394715
you're right, I've mistaken here.

I came into some money recently and wanna get myself an Underground Sea for my B/U deck. Should I go super autism and go near mint or just get a lightly played one since it's $120 cheaper?

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HELP! How many Shadowborn Apostle to use in Athreos?

>>54395583
Lightly played/played is usually hardly noticable damage like scratched back or borders, at least from my experience

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>>54395619
You're using the wrong man for the job

>>54395619
1 Atheros
4 demons
30 lands
65 Apostles

>>54395650
This doesn't answer my question. Great include though.

>>54395654
That feels like way more than I want. Is 30ish good?

>>54395654
>99
Anon, I...

Wanna build a zombies deck with Scarab God. Do I need huge shenanigans combos or can I just make hordes of zombies and use cards like Metallic Mimic and Liliana's Mastery to make them stronger?

t. Timmy

>>54395632
Yeah that's what I figured. I watched that one vintage collection video on Tolarian Community College's channel and it seems like condition doesn't really affect the allure of vintage cards because that guy had some pretty crispy cards like a Black Lotus he played with as a kid.

If I ever lose my mind and want to make a relentless rats deck, what are some good commanders for mono black rats tribal?

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>>54395753
Marrow gnawer.