Paizo General

>>54339125
Tardigrades, AKA Water Bears

>>54339125
Werewere. It's a non-human humanoid that turns into a human in full moon.

>>54339145
>>54339153
That's some fine taste, you got there.

>>54339145
>immune to: damage

What's a Star Child?

>>54339213
It's just Reincarnate, the Star Child crap is fluff.

>>54339213
A miserable pile of secretes.

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So has anyone attempted to do custom weapon modifications yet, or is it too soon for those to really be a thing? I'm thinking of trying one, but I'm not quite sure how impactful modifications should be. Infusion Launcher modification for crossbows, with a relevant alchemist/investigator discovery: y/n?

>>54339213
2001 a space odyssey

> At fifth level, the kith hunter’s hatred reaches its ascendance, spurring her to supernatural feats of slaughter; whenever she reduces a creature with 5 or more Hit Dice to 0 or less hit points, she acts again this round,
WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS OKAY! JESUS CHRIST

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>>54339240
Here's a whole set of weapon and armor modifications Paizo wrote up back in ye olde Dragon Magazine.

>>54339150
I'm hoping the options for pets on technomancer aren't retarded.
Give me 3 robot types and an option to refluff as needed, I don't want the list of 200 shits no one even looks at twice like PF.

>>54339240
I'm planning to use Versatile Design in combination with Martial Performance to get falcata proficiency on my bard, but that's about the extent of it for now

>>54339240
>>54339284
>>54339293
I guess I should have specified: Have people made their own HOMEBREWED modifications yet?

Is armor of the pit worth taking as a Tiefling Magus?

>>54339228
Yes, but what IS it? inquiring minds want to know

>players want to cast wish
>tell that that it's going to be basically impossible
>ask why, they know that they know a wizard high enough level
>tell them that in order to cast wish they need a diamond the size of a basketball
>tell them that diamonds that large basically don't exist
>tell them that with research they know of 2, maybe 3, diamonds that size
>two are crown jewels the other is implanted in the chest of a demigod and powers his heart
>players get pissed they can't cast wish

Was I in the wrong?

>>54339351
no

>>54339348
2001 a space odyssey

>>54339351
You could just so "no" without justification because if they can't cast it themselves the 25k price is not enough. Or whatever they cast the wish for just give them a vision of a dark sun upon which a text appears saying "Try Again Later".

>>54339351
>two are crown jewels
That sounds like an adventure

>>54339409
This
>>54339351
No, but next time inform players before the campaign even starts that you want Wish off the table.

>>54339270
BREAK THE ACTION ECONOMY BY BEING A SELF-HATING JEW

>>54339270
People who think charging should let you full-attack at the end without taking feats or penalties.

>>54339270
>people are only just now realizing how broken Kith Hunter is.
I bet you don't know about the broken Blood Frenzy feat from Bloodforge either.

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>>54339125
Weremantis
Wereshrimp available in Bullet and Mantis varieties
Werekomodo
Were-dinosaurs
Wereape (or at least a Weregorilla)
Weresquid
Werestag
Werescarab
Wereweasel
Werebadger
Wereowlbear
Weremanta
Werefrog/toad
Weresnake
Werebedbug
Werman used again as the proper general noun for males

Thoughts anyone?

>>54339471
That doesn't seem so bad unless you're playing a musou game or something. Unless I'm missing something the feat looks a little on the weak side.

>>54339468
So druids and magi?

>>54339521
How do magi do that?

>>54339530
B L A D E D
D A S H

>>54339125
I'd settle for synergy between shapechanger races and shapechanger classes, becase right now there's none

Sooo, how did WotR go, did they have their first session yet?

>Take Versatile Design on a non-monk weapon
>Add it to the Monk Group
>still not a Monk weapon, so take Ascetic Style to beable to use it any time you could use Unarmed strikes
>Comgrats, you can now flurry with battleaxe, rapier, spear, or anything else now really
Worth, or no?

>>54339561
Not really, its like 3 feats

>>54339533
How does that let them full-attack and charge without penalties?

>>54339561
But anon, Monk of the Empty Hand already can wield AND flurry with every weapon in the game.

>>54339520
Racial bonuses stack, unless all you do is single enemy boss fights it's basically Weapon Focus multiple times over.

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>>54339500
Yes

Can vital strike be optimal without permanent enlarge person?

>>54339579
Literally Spell Combat.

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>>54339600
Now we just need a wereweevil or roaches and its a fight.

Actally, I know Entothropes are now a thing, so were there any Werebeetles?

>>54339631
Well thank you for clearing that.

Also don't say "Literally" when you don't mean to clarify a metaphor or an analogy as something literal. Using it as an emphasis just makes you look like a retard who skipped high school because writing is hard.

>>54339655
I see its your first time on 4chan. Welcome to the internet, and don't forget you're here forever

>>54339655
actually in this case, literally was appropriate, as if you had read spell combat, you would have understood why bladed dash lets a magus full attack and move. So.

>>54339270
>>54339471
DSP was a mistake.

>>54339655

Anon, language is constantly evolving. "Literally" is also usable as an intensifier. Check the Merriam-Webster, or the OED if you're feeling particularly uptight.

You don't like it, stop using English and use Spanish or German, where they have all sorts of fancy regulatory bodies.

>>54339680
>I see its literally your first time on 4chan. Welcome to the internet, and don't forget you're literally here forever

>>54339709
Wasn't Bloodforge literally just pushed by one guy, and none of the other devs even wanted to touch the thing?

>>54339726
>language is literally constantly evolving

>>54339709
I used to say "DSP is pretty nice" but now I have to clarify "if you look at nothing other than their psionics port".

Why dimensional dervish has BaB of +6 as requirement, who can have all feats before reaching +6BaB?

>>54339726
Literally can also mean figuratively.
Language evolution is fun.

>>54339760

In order for it to cost more

>>54339762
It's retarded is what it is.

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>>54339746

>>54339758
A lot of the PoW feats are nice.

>>54339335
bumpo?

>>54339783
>MEMES, JACK, THE DNA OF THE SOUL

>>54339758
Some stuff in the various books is amazing (some of the subrace stuff in Bloodforge Infusions, for example), but there's tons of dubious stuff. Just like 1pp.

>>54339817
Yeah but dubious stuff in 1pp is usually just trash like base Medium.

>>54339831
but mediums are actually pretty good

>>54339772
I apoligize anon, buy you seem to be suffering from either aspergers, or being an English major.

There is some overlap though

>>54339590
Over the course of the fight. You get more accurate the more stuff dies around you but I imagine it won't go higher than.

Then again when you combine it with bonuses from other places it could get pretty dumb pretty fast.

>>54339842
Isn't that the class doesn't have class features without constant DM fiat?

>>54339799
If you've got nothing else to take, sure.

>>54339758
What went wrong?

Or was there anything really right in the first place? Psionics is basically a port of a great 3.5 system. How did PoW go so wrong then?

>>54339842
>Medium
>good
Yeah no. Worse than core rogue.

>>54339899
They tried to be creative and made up their own shit instead of just porting ToB.
Except, whoops, it turns out they have only one good writer (Forrest) while everyone else is a fanfiction.net tier shitter who can only write garbage.

>>54339899
Their PR guys all have brain problems, and the one with the least number of them got put in time-out for actually talking to customers.

>>54339880
>>54339931
Nah, its fine, its just weirdly specialized at its job

except for spirit dancer medium, who toes the line of too good

>>54339868
It's pretty easy to cheese with a summoner in your party at the beginning of battle. 2 HD minimum is fucking nothing. Hell, you can keep a sack of angry animals on hand to pump up your damage before a fight.

>>54339883
How fast will Third Party Stuff ruin Starfinder?

How fast will companies try to push their !Wizard with access to game breaking spells?

How best to do a !Halo campaign?

>>54339899
The writers are all varying degrees of fucked in the head
Examples:
Gareth is an alcoholic with daddy issues
Forrest has gender dismorphia
Sslarn is just autistic (I think he doesn't write for them anymore though)

>>54339978
>9-initiators day 1

>>54339978
>How fast will Third Party Stuff ruin Starfinder?
Not as fast as the First Party stuff will

>>54340001
>Forrest has gender dismorphia
Forrest is unironically their best writer, though.

>>54339978
>How fast will Third Party Stuff ruin Starfinder?
You mean before Paizo ruins it?

>>54340020
True that, still mentally ill though. Even if it is a relatively widely accepted mental disorder.

>>54340041

Mental illness makes for the best writers though.

Also the worst writers.

>>54340041
>>>/pol/
Wanting to dress in drag and pretend to be a girl doesn't make you mentally ill, it just makes you an idiot

>>54339978
A couple of months, meanwhile paizo already ruined it and isn't even out yet.

>>54340063
>gender dysphoria doesn't exist ebin
You're the one who should go to /pol/, m8.

>>54339977
I've heard the "bag of rats trick" on so many occasions, always applying to something else, but when has a GM ever let a player do this outside of munchkin campaigns?

>>54340063
>linking me to /pol/
Back off my faggy bud, we all are mentally ill here in some way or another.
Nothing wrong with that. Doesn't make us any less sick though.

>>54340011
>>54340026
>>54340066
Which class are you thinking they nicked up? Think they couldn't go all the way and make the Soldier effective to keep the Casters happy?

>>54340094
its just something thats an example of bad design

>>54339287
There are three types of "pet" I want that I believe encompass every type of pet you could have in a sci-fi setting.

I want EDI, I want Bladewolf, and I want BT-7274.

>>54340108
>tfw trying to make bladewolf in pf
>tfw the pit of suffering that is the alchemist

>>54340118
go lay down broodie

>>54340121
ITS 4PM

>>54339520
I want to play a musou PF campaign, if not just to see how it works.

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https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderdspwiki/home/dreamscarred-press/bloodforge/prestige-classes/kithlord

Guess what? Another PrC. This one seems a little bit LESS busted than Kith Hunter. Why, it seems... disappointingly average. Tell me what you think after this commercial break.

I really wanna play a Decataur nerd now, one who goes to the gym and is smart but gets tired easily and has to deal with being four-legged and horse-y in a world of two-legged folks.

>>54340108
Yo BT-7274 is rad, I agree, some kind of Large-sized mecha buddy would be lovely. I would also add in ED-E from New Vegas to that list, because man, that little guy was CUTE!

>>54340094
I actually played a game where somebody got booted for buying sheep and trying to train them to circle him so he could trigger AoO from them and Cleave the enemy for each sheep that got near enough. The sheep scattered, obviously, and he was incredibly butthurt and got kicked for being belligerent. I've never seen it go off without a hitch, but I've seen it attempted.

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>>54340160
>Fit/Lit Decataur
>Can take the Elf Occultist FCB because it's an elf hybrid

it's perfect

>>54339978
Halo would be UNSC Marines burning out Covenant Remnant forces around glassed planets slated for terraforming. You don't make "cash," but instead clout used to requisition better arms and armor.

>>54339746
>language is literally evolving in a figurative sense

>>54340160
ED-E fits under the Bladewolf umbrella of techno-pets, doesn't it?

>>54340063
Go back to tumblr, transtrender.

>>54339125
More entothropes.

>>54339890
I want to go Str magus but I realized that I don't have much AC at low levels, I feel like the feat is going to grown useless pretty fast

>>54340219
I mean in that list of EDI, Blade Wolf, and BT-7274 you have

>Amorphous AI (which becomes a sexy robot lady)
>Four-legged animal-like machine
>Vaguely humanoid bipedal robot.

ED-E is basically a hovering drone. Also the best waifu in New Vegas and if you disagree with me, that's okay, that's your opinion.

>>54340219
>>54340160
More capable, Iconic's like that seem like they'd be better off as Android PCs. The Mechanic sounds like it'll have things closer to C3-P0 or R2-D2

>>54340104
Fair enough. I see it pop up on a lot of guides and discussions, and so I have to wonder if it's something anyone actually does at a table. Well, I suppose that's why inserting restrictions like "cannot be helpless, must have Hit Dice equal to at least half your level" are important to include. It's just better design.

>>54339883

Obozaya is best anime.

>>54340133
IT'S TIME
TO GO
TO BED

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>>54340080
>>54340099
I dunno, I just always figured that calling it a mental illness just made it seem more complicated than it is: people just feeling insecure about their body and identity that htey want to try to fix it by changnig said identity.

Yet to me it always seemed silly, and always felt like they were just tring to redefine themselves based upon a societal/cultural mindset that the feel too afraid to leave behind, instead choosing a more drastic method that allows themselves to feed a martyr complex rather than just choosing to not give a fuck what other people think and learning to be comfortable with themselves.

Then again, I'm a literal diagnosed autist, so chances are there is some nuance I may be missing. Still, all I'm saying is wanting to wear dresses does not make you trn into a woman, and that if weraing dresses in your thing, then you shouldn't be ashamed of it and try to do so regardless of the cultrual norm. Lord knows here are plenty of men that look fabulous in dresses without compromising their masculinity, like Bowie. And as for the ladies, well I grew up around tomboys and female military personnel, so the idea of a girl wanting to be a boy seemed silly to me since they already have much more leeway in how to live and style themselves compared to men, that I'd expect they would be brave in regards to following their own interests regardless of cultural norms, while still being able to accept their own femininity. Then again that situation probably not indicative of he whole, so I could be wrong.

Again, this whole thing regarding "gender dysphoria" has me mostly confused, and while I have some opinion, I will admit I may be missing some nuance and context towards the whole deal, because the whole bruhaha of it being "a mental disorder" yet also being used by some people as a badge of honor js leaves me a tad unsure about the whole thing, especially since growing up I've had to sit in sessions with people who actually were really nuts

>>54340284
You're literally missing the entire point.
Brains of trans people are literally measurably fucked with this being recorded in autopsies.
It's one of the extremely few mental illnesses that fucks up the brain so hard it can be detected in an autopsy.
That's as far from a whimsy feeling as you can get.

>>54340133
take a fucking nap or something then

>>54339709
Nah, it's pretty much just Bloodforge that is a total shitshow.

>>54340313
o-okay ;_;

>>54339868
It also gives damage though. A single death already makes it better than Weapon Focus alone.

>>54340316
Didn't Gareth once say nobody of the writers really wanted to do the book but they were forced because the name was already bought?

https://strawpoll.com/7cr363e4
vote pls

>>54340306
They also have a ton of autopsies to base it off of because of how astoundingly high the suicide rate is for the poor fucks :^)

>>54340366
That's because gender dysphoria is pretty much pure, distilled suffering in severe cases.
It can be extremely mentally painful to the pain that the feeling alone drives you suicidal.

>>54340259
I kind of see it like,

>One lacks a body, but can be placed inside forms
>One is a machine and fights by your side
>One is a machine and you get into it

>>54340382
>to the point
Fuck my inability to type right.

>>54340366
Which is sad really, because suicide rate is much higher post-op. I guess it's because eventually they realize that no matter how much they mutiliate their genitals, they never can truly be the desired gender.

>>54340160
Kithlord is very strong for Halflings. Note that it oddly works well with Kith Hunter, as Kinslayer gives a racial bonus that Kithlord would boost. Covering Strike makes you a hell of a defender letting you AoO anyone that hits your allies, take the Snap Shot line of feats and you can do it from a safe distance too. I wouldn't go past level 7 though unless you have something silly planned for the level 10 capstone.

>>54340316
Isn't Arcforge being released soon? That also looked pretty unfinished. The monster classes were also kinda ludicrous, though they did come with a warning that they were ludicrous.

>>54340306
Hmm I guess that does support it. That was the missing piece of information I needed. I always refrained from dedicating to tha position since I felt it could've been construed as offensive to trannies and possibly those with mental disorders, but now that I know this I guess I can feel less confused about the whole situation. Though of course it still will be smart to avoid bringing it up in polite society and most forms of communication.

I just always was unsure since from my perspective they seemed much more high-performance and operational than many of he other autistic kids, and a few of the tourrettes kids, that I've had to associate with as part of my counseling and mandatory basic skills classes

>>54340284
You're confusing transtrenders with people who have genuine gender dysphoria.

>>54340441
Didn't someone else pick that up after Ssalarn just gave up on working on it?

>>54340442
>I just always was unsure since from my perspective they seemed much more high-performance and operational than many of he other autistic kids
Gender dysphoria, as the name says, mainly causes dysphoria aka intense suffering as a symptom. Transitioning helps reduce this suffering, but it's virtually impossible to remove it entirely.
The suffering itself can be debilitating, but there are no other consistent effects from it.

>>54339709
>>54339758
>>54339899

Bloodforge looks completely nutso, granted, but what's so bad about DSP overall? At least relative to a lot of 1PP and the vast majority of 3PP schlock out there.

To be fair, I guess DSP couldn't have gotten more help with Psionics and PoW, they were standing on the shoulders of giants. Once they deviated from that, are they just not much better than other 3PP?

>>54340406
There is a question though as to how many people are actually transsexual, and how many thought they were because they thought being the other gender would be so much better, and solve all their problems. Discovering that it doesn't, and realizing that they wasted all that time, effort, and money on an idealized goal that fell out from under them.

>>54340475
Akashit Mysteries are outright garbage, PoW is imbalanced as fuck.

>>54340459
Can't be as bad as Ssa-"Let me ignore playtest data and tell playtesters they don't know anything about my precious project"-larn

>>54340441
DSP dropped Arcforge, they have no hand in it now. It's just thealtruisticorc fuckwit with TPK Games publishing it.

Monster classes aren't quite as bad as some people think, because they go "HURR DURR GESTALT BAIT" when gestalt should never come into the equation in the first place.

>>54340259
Roxie is the best waifu and Rex is her husbando.

>>54340476
Like Chris-chan who became a lesbian woman because all women are obviously lesbian since they don't wanna go out with him?

>>54340459
I have no clue. I just heard it was coming out and the last I heard, it was a DSP thing.

>>54340001
>Gareth

Is being a chronic edgelord considered a mental problem?

>>54340363

What is with these polls? Poll-anon do you just love popularity contests?

>>54340491
Akashic Mysteries really isn't that bad, I don't know why this meme keeps going around.

>>54340494
Oh sweet summer child, how little you know. Ssalarn is about 5 times better than the twat doing Arcforge now.

>>54340502
Yeah, Gestalt can't and SHOULDN'T be taken into account when designing classes.

It's just not anything you can feasibly design for, it opens too many combinations.

>>54340519
No but starting your morning with whiskey and drunk posting with your trip on as PR guy is a problem.

>>54340527
>Poll-anon do you just love popularity contests?
There are several of us. I only made a minority of polls on /pfg/

>>54340532
Shit.
Well, Starfinder looks okay. Right?

>>54340249
Depends on the level you start. If you start at 1st level? pick it. If you start at 6th or so level? don't pick it because at 7th you get medium armors and if you have money you can even use mithral fullplate

>>54340543
>Gareth stopped posting in /pfg/ not because of the lewdposting, but because they asked him to stop because he keeps doing it while drunk.

>>54340401
When you put it that way, yeah, that's not so bad. ED-E would nicely fit into the second category. Though I do agree with this anon here (>>54340264) and will say that perhaps we'll see more C3-PO, R2-D2, Interstellar-esque "TARS" robots, or even that dog from Doctor Who, K-9, rather than, yknow, EDI or a Synth from Fallout 4 (who are really more like Androids, now that I think about it.) I guess my ideal for robot companions in Starfinder will be like ED-E from New Vegas and BT-7274 from Titanfall 2.

Anyways, enough talk about robots. Mongrel is the next PrC, and it will be up SOON!

>>54340491
I'm starting to get tired of the "Akashic Mysteries is fucking trash" meme. There's a lot of trap options sure but the system itself is solid and Guru and Daevic are really good at what they do.

>>54340549

Jesus Christ how terrifying

>>54340566
If memory serves, Mithril doesn't count for proficiency. You still need the Heavy proficiency.

>>54340567
Probably not far off the truth.
He also kept revealing too much personal information, like his father issues.

>>54340589
Just reduce ACP to -0. Doneso.

>>54340532
>>54340574
From an outsider's perspective, the system itself just looks really underwhelming for most veils, and the actually cool veils are few and far between. Like Hand Cannon.

>>54340574
And honestly the Rajah looks to be some of the best work DSP has done in a while.

>>54340574
Truth.

Like there's nothing wrong with Feats as a system, it's just that a lot of the feats themselves within it are garbage or taxes.

>>54340574
>There's a lot of trap options
Into the trash it goes.
Fuck Monte Cook design and anyone who enables it.

>>54340491
Imbalanced relative to what? It has to be imbalanced compared to something. First-party? Itself? I was under the impression that PoW classes all sat around Tier 3 ability, which seems like halfway decent balance to me. Certainly better than Paizo has done, themselves.

>>54340599
He'd still have to worry about spellfailure until he gets the Magus Heavy Armor ability wouldn't he?

>>54340491
>>54340624
PoW Errata when?

>>54340597

These threads really weed the spergs out I remember when I took a break from /tg/ for a while coming back to find generals had taken hold. The PFG threads had Gareth drunk posting and I remember thinking "Wow they've really fallen far to be putting up with some guy with a trip blogging."

>>54340624
Tiers aren't the only metric of balance, as they measure only versatility and nothing else.
PoW explodes encounters in a ridiculous manner, overshadowing all 1pp options in combat.

>>54340623
See that's the thing, I don't even think Ssalarn designed them as trap options, he's just dumb.

>>54340624

Tiers are a pretty big meme. What's more important is the ability to design challenges around a party. A party with a god wizard is pretty happy because the party enjoys narrative control. A party PoW martials has little narrative control (Other than destroying dungeon design via veiled moon) but their damage output is so high that they invalidate any other contributions. For example, a level four character without any effort, if using PoW, could attack 2-3 times a round on a standard+swift with a two handed weapon, and also using a stance that passively boosts damage.

>>54340608
I'm hyped for the full Rajah release, I've always been a support player and this is one of the best in recent memory.

>>54340642
I'd take a break from /tg/, but I've got some roots that would be painful to pull up.

>>54340589
>Mithril doesn't count for proficiency.
Unless you're a Silverblade Hunter from Lords of the Wild.

>>54340714
Yeah well it's a Magus.

I'm angry
angry about elves

>>54340773
You are a ranger then?

>>54340773
Pelinel, go back to your thread>>54333572

>>54340635
Preliminary errata was already in June, with more to come, they say.

>>54340773
GODSLAYERS CAMPAIGN

WHEN

>>54340820
>tfw tav is in gulag

How to make tech weapons good, /pfg/?

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>>54340820
Fine, I'll refine my query: PoW Discipline Errata when

I've got an initiating archetype okayed for my character, and we just hit level 4. I'm thinking I'll take mostly Golden Lion, Scarlet Throne, and Primal Fury for my shitty Dexfag build, so pretty much just Scarlet Einhander and something else for my stances.

What maneuvers should I take, though? I seriously doubt my group's going to need more damage, so I'd rather focus on buffs or mobility.

>>54340863

Massively reduce the cost. But really don't bother, they function okay in Iron Gods and are unlikely to be seen anywhere else.

>>54340920

There are only fucking 12 choices. Just look at them and choose the ones that are buffs or mobility.

Friendly reminder that the gods do not deserve your praise, your wealth and especially your worship!

>>54340923
>they function okay in Iron Gods
Literally objectively worse than advanced firearms.
Moreover, they can't ignore energy resistance or hardness, while a lot of enemies have at least one of the two, sometimes both.
Shooting a laser rifle at an Annihilator Robot, you're looking at -40 damage per hit.
Shooting a regular rifle with adamantine bullets at the same enemy, you deal full damage.

>>54340943
Go back to rahadoun, you raging atheist. Only worshipers of erastil allowed here

>>54340943
GODSLAYER
CAMPAIGN
FUCKING
WHEN

>>54340948

Constructs maybe make up 25% of enemies in Iron Gods and you're given weapons that bypass their hardness early on.

>>54340966

Now, now, just because they don't believe doesn't mean you should necessarily show them the door. So long as they're willing to work hard and help build the community, they might make a place for themselves.

>>54340995
Those aren't tech weapons, though.

>>54340948
And guess how many functioning annihilators there are? I'll give you a hint, it's less than three but more than one.

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>>54340995
>"given weapons that bypass their hardness"
>"alright, time to pony up your first 3k for adamantine weapons fags"

>>54340995

Yes they are. Tech weapons the deal electricity bypass the hardness, there's an EMP pistol in book 2.

>>54341022
It's a fucking example, m8.
Most robots have hardness, meaning that the guy with a trusty regular rifle and adamantine bullets is objectively better off than the guy with a fancy laser rifle.

>>54341008
They kill people for worshiping any God and then force them to play pb15 core only underwater campaigns with negromancy

>>54341037
>Tech weapons the deal electricity bypass the hardness
That is a houserule, not RAW.
You're applying absolutely irrelevant object rules to creatures, which is fucking wrong and devs clarified it's wrong.

>>54341058
JJs word of God says electric damage go through, so it is effectively raw

>>54341080
See the entirety of hardness rules:
>Each object has hardness—a number that represents how well it resists damage. When an object is damaged, subtract its hardness from the damage. Only damage in excess of its hardness is deducted from the object’s hit points
That's it. Nothing else is specific to hardness.
All other rules on the "Damaging Objects" page are exclusive to objects and don't magically transfer to creatures with hardness, which has even been confirmed in an official FAQ.

I would make all tech weapons 18-20/x2 this gives them better synergy with the techslinger archetype

>>54341096
You funcking titmonkey. We already went through this few threads ago. Hardness on creatures is just Dr and resist rolled into one that can stack with Dr and resist. It doesn't work the same as objects

>>54341147
That's exactly what I'm saying, you cockmongler.

Jacobs was such a fucking moron to use hardness for Iron Gods.

DHB!Swashbuckler fucking when?

>>54341172
You do realize that Jacobs isn't an amorphous blob that does everything and is everything in paizo?

>>54341173
its called 'warlord'

>>54341200

He wrote Iron Gods.

>>54341208
It got kill with errata, though.

>>54341216
its still fine

>>54341173

Okay! Mongrel is done!

https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderdspwiki/home/dreamscarred-press/bloodforge/prestige-classes/mongrel

Now we do feats, spells, and wondrous items. This is gonna be ezpz.

>>54341173
If I recall, another anon made an Unchained Swashbuckler already

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>>54341266
wait fuck I didn't meant to reply to that, please take one of my centaurs to atone for this

>>54341266
I've never even seen this before. Has anyone ever played one?

>>54341215
So he wrote six books, edited them and called himself crystal, Neil, Nicolas, Ron, Mike and Tim on the covers?

>>54341320
Multiple Personality Disorder is a serious issue, anon.

>>54341328
Oh excuse me he did write something for IG:

Co writing the players' guide

>>54340259
Wait what? ED-E is a "she"? I always referred to it as masculine cause you know, Eddie.

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Supposedly this was a sidebar in a PFS module that has given rise to the electricity could ignore hardness idea.

>>54341379
That's literally a DM fiat houserule suggestion, not RAW.

What's the creature with the highest initiative bonus?

>>54341415
Your mom gets a +999 circumstance bonus to Init when she knows she can get some dick.

>>54341401

The discussion was "how to fix tech weapons" not how does hardness work "RAW"

>>54341375
ED-E is neither a boy or a girl. It's a robot with no features that imply a sex. It just happens to have a masculine name because it rammed into a car's bumper and took one half of it's license plate with it.

>>54341434
HOLY F*CK LMAO XD DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S SO FIRE WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO SOMEONE!!!????!!!!

>>54341379
The half damage clause has nothing to do with Hardness though. That's an inherent property of objects. There is no reason why creatures with hardness would take half damage from energy in the first place

https://strawpoll.com/7cr363e4

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>You will never fight a Linnorm

>>54341559
Then play better aps.

>>54341606
There are no Linnorm in the APs, and the campaign here was a Bamboozle.

>>54341549
You don't need to post it more than once you fucking retard.

>>54341645
But I wanna

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>>54341375
>>54341454

Ee-Dee sounds more feminine to me, guess it's because of the "Dee" sound that makes me think of a girl named Diane.

Anyways, have some blood spells!

https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderdspwiki/home/dreamscarred-press/bloodforge/spells

I'm not a particular fan of them, but there might be something fun in there for y'all to pick through!

>>54341631
Reign and kingmaker have linnorms

>>54341664
Why did you start with the worst book REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54341700
Because UltPsi and PoW are already MOSTLY supported by the PFSRD (no PsiAug books, no Divergent Paths except Roil Dancer), while Bloodforge and Akashic are NOWHERE to be seen on it (apart from like, a single page on the Vizier, which isn't even fully updated). I have my reasons, anon!

>Hell's Vengeance lost two more members

wooooow, is this the highest turnover of any /pfg/ game?

>>54341822
Hard to stay in the game when your partymembers have the personality of the cumrags their sheets were written on.

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/nocturnal-predator

Is this any good? Full CL with two spheres seems great, but I have no idea what the Dark sphere even does.

>>54341905
>Is this any good? Full CL with two spheres seems great, but I have no idea what the Dark sphere even does.
It primarily does 2 thing. One, it allows buffs and utility while in dark places, and 2 its is used as battlefield control by creating areas and fields of Darkness which also often has some kind of additional effect added to it. It also has some other minor utility iirc, but I can't recall as I never got the Nyctomancer book

>>54341848
Oh is that first hand experience you're speaking from, anon? Care to enlighten us?

>>54342002
Can't speak about it.

>>54341770
But a lot of the Psionic and PoW pages point to broken pages or with complete shit layout, to the point where I just pretend that they don't exist on d20pfsrd. It doesn't even actually have Ultimate Psionics on it, it's all from all the way back from Psionics Unleashed, so even stuff like racial archetypes are completely missing.

>>54341822
How do you know, and who dropped?

>>54342071
This is true. Bloodforge /is/ a shorter book than either Path of War or Psionics book, mind you, and I wanted to get it done sort of as a "proof of concept" in order to say, "yeah, man, I'll build an SRD, look at this book, it's up here in its entirety."

I /will/ get to UltPsi and Path of War/Expanded, I promise you that, but for now I'm gonna finish Bloodforge because it's like 75% done at the moment. Don't quote me on those numbers though, I'm not a mathematician

>>54342109
I happened upon the LFG page while I was doing something else

I'm not sure who because I didn't follow it very closely

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>>54339883

Best lizard, fuck the bullets everyone is getting the plasma

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>>54341631
>>54341559
>bamboozled again

>>54339772
>he says, using a word that originally meant delay as an insult

>>54342067
Either provide proof or fuck off.

>TFW you're getting pumped for a comfy as heck Crystalhue session tonight

>>54342157

I want to eat post-mission hallucinogenic bar snacks with her.

>>54341682
N-No they don't.

>>54342245

Baby its cold outside

>>54342245
You know what they say about Crystalhue...

>>54342254
Q-quit it with the faux meek act Luci, no one likes reading posts like that.

>>54342251

>Be the trained doctor for the mercenary group
>They go and get ultra fucked up at the club and I sit on the ship with my stash of booze
>Waite for them to crawl their way back so I can pump them with saline solution to deal with the inevitable hangovers

>>54342273
N-No, what do they say about Crystalhue?

>>54342343
Not only are you supposed to give gifts, but around the nightly bonfire you are meant to announce your romantic affections towards a crush, offering them a heartfelt token of your love!

>>54342273

They celebrate it with fried chicken in parts of Tian Xia? Wash your melaros before you go out? Don't drink too much at the adventuring guild party, or you'll end up in bed with the ratfolk? What?

>>54342361
Oh my!

>>54342363
SMASH THE RAT

>>54342343
>>54342273
Jesus fucking christ.
You people.
Are the thirstiest motherfuckers I've ever witnessed.

>ALL HOLIDAYS ARE ABOUT FUCKING
>NOBODY EVER INTERACTS EXCEPT TO FUCK
>ALL MECHANICS ARE IN SUPPORT OF MORE FUCKING
>EVERYBODY'S A GIGANTIC FUCKING WHORE
>KEK MEMES
>EVERYONE IS GAY

>>54342439
>ALL HOLIDAYS ARE ABOUT FUCKING

>As night falls, the community gathers every available lantern and candle, bringing them out onto porches or lining the streets with their communal light. The town square hosts a large feast around a bonfire complete with roasted meats, stewed vegetables, roasted root vegetables, and winter squashes—all seasoned with plenty of fragrant spices. Around these bonfires, the clergy of Shelyn perform marriage ceremonies, where the whole community gathers to witness and affirm the bonds of love. During the ceremonies, teenagers pursue their budding romances, giving trinkets and other symbols of their affection to the ones who caught their eye throughout the year

>>54342439
These thirstlords probably never celebrated Valentine's, Thanksgiving, or Christmas with anyone other than family, so they think any single, family-less adventurer must only fuck on these kinds of holidays.

>>54342446
Honeymoons come after the marriage ceremony, and the rest is just trinket exchange, not fluid exchange. Why can't it just be a cute winter holiday about the beauty of love? Do you drop trousers and fuck on the Christmas tree around friends and family?

/pgg/, how do you deal with it when someone in your group has to be the Queen Bee?

Like, you've got that one player who's basically running the game, telling the GM what to do.
They tell everyone else they're not doing enough to contribute, while they run off half-cocked and try to do everything themselves, usually royally fucking up in the process.
In every argument, they rely on their toadies to drown out all opposition to everything they say.

How do you get around that?

>>54342504
Talk to them like grown-ass adults, maybe?

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A lone angel gets sucked into the the Starfinder setting via the Drift and manages to catch a ride on a Drift using vessel to find its way out.

Would it make more sense for the Angel to attempt to go home or shrug and establish a new celestial order in it's new home?

>>54342446
It seems only teens exchange trinkets at the bonfire. Also, I think the complaint is that they only seem to mention the holidays that are romantic, such as harvest festival and crystalhue.

>>54342523
I am still not sure why everyone thinks the harvest festival is for fucking, as the harvest god is erastil, who doesn't like it when people fuck around - literally and figuratively.

>>54342562
Because people think the "Go home and be a family man" God gives them carte blanche to fuck everyone bareback.

Also what >>54342489 said. The fuckers on this thread have had more interaction with doujins than actual people.

Seems like there were a few more every other week games that popped up recently so I'll ask: What do you do to stay hype between sessions?

>>54342562
Found the city mouse!

>>54342598
Talk possible future plans, joke around.

Sometimes you try to plan side scenes or talk character interaction with other PCs. But that usually doesn't work. People don't give a shit about anybody else's PCs unless they duo apped or they were already friends before the game started. If you didn't get in on the circlejerk early, you get shut out.

>>54342604
Who?

>>54342598
I write fiction involving party members, talk about the characters with other players, do downtime RP, expand on meaningless trivia about my character's past and their place in the world, talk to the GM about lore or other characters, and post here.

Sometimes I just ask random background or personality questions so we talk about our characters quite a bit. The setting is pretty involved, and I like hearing about other people's characters a lot, so there's usually something to talk about if we aren't just joking about this or that.

>>54342699
Let me recap for you:
>Not everything has to be about fucking
>This person doesn't believe me! He must be a virgin lawl

>>54342716
You're probably one of those breeding fetishists that shit up the thread.

>>54342509
I've been in that situation, and tried what you're suggesting. The problem is that you're trying to engage someone like an adult, when they insist on acting like they're a high schooler.

Anything you say is wrong because you're not in their clique. Anything they say is right because nobody already in their clique wants to offend them. If you try to use logic or reason, they shut the conversation down.

>>54342762
Okay, what I meant to do was show two different posters arguing, but clearly failed at doing so.

My point is that I think the sex-obsessed autists who pollute the thread are fucking idiotic.

>>54342769
Best option then is probably to leave. If there is no way to communicate, and you aren't having fun, there's no point in staying.

>>54342699
>Who?
>>54342562 AKA the guy who has obviously never been to a county fair/barn dance after the harvest in a farming community. Not everything is about fucking, but harvest festivals in agrarian communities are pretty much all about hooking up for the unmarried.

>>54342762
Oh come now anon, you and I both know that breeding is the most important thing in the world, and it's not even done right if they're still mobile.

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>>54342892

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>>54342929

Where are the current games?!

>>54343104
Right where you left them, anon. Just go to the previous thread and ctrl+f roll20.

>>54343110
But old threads are scary! What if there's a...g-ghost?!

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So what is the best level to start new players at?

What is the best level to start a new campaign at?

>>54343128
3-5
3 if you still want to have your PCs be essentially peastants, 5 if you want actually detailed and rugged adventurers.

>>54339125
I was scrolling by and I thought it was Slippy Toad in the OP that is all.

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>>54343124
Then suffer, you fucking racist. Ghosts are a proud and noble people. Don't you ever insult u-er, them again.

>>54343143
Thank you for justifying my assertions of skipping the low level whiff-gasm.

>>54343179
Anon, that's a picture of Jack Frost. He's a Demon, not a Ghost

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>>54343179
WHY DON'T YOU SAY THAT TO MY FACE, FAGGOT!?!

>>54343198
No, he's a fairy.

All Fairies and Ghosts are demons but not all Demons are Fairies or Ghosts.

>>54341905
I haven't played it, but sneak attack (even if it's not full) + natural weapons + make it dark so the enemy is flat-footed sounds like a fearsome combination.

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>>54343198
Well, don't I look foolish? Only one solution, I suppose.

>>54343240
*muffled skull collecting in the distance*

What was DSP thinking when they made Riven Hour Glass, Veiled Moon, and Shattered Mirror. I really want to know.

Thinking about running a one shot. The cast are adventurers in the dungeon of a Calistrian Monastery in a remote tropical island.

I call it... ESCAPE FROM WHORE ISLAND.

>>54343292
>>54343292
Time is cool
Illusions are cool
Teleporting is cool

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>>54343292
Moving in frozen time.

Teleporting behind someone and stabbing them.

Afterimages.

>>54343292

In order: DUDE MULTI ATTACKS
DUDE PERMA INCORPOREAL
DUDE +20 TO SAVES

>>54343292
>You know what would be cool bruh?
>What?
>Flashstepping
>Yeah, that's rad. You know what is sweet?
>what?
>Matrix dodges and time powers.
>That is pretty cool. PErsonally, there's something else I think is cooler?
>What?
>Warriors with copycat and reflection powers
>yeah
It was at that point that Gareth, who was sittin on the bar stool next to them, drunkedly staggered out and went to the office to regale his cowerkers about what he had just heard.

And luckily somone had the idea to not make it as horribly overpowered as either Broken Blade or Primal Fury

>>54343292
"This is gonna be anime as fuck!"

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>>54343350
MUH
FUGGIN'
GARETH

>>54343350
>Implying it wasn't just Gareth watching the bar TV which was on The Matrix

>>54343364
Don't you just hate it when bad things happen to good sentences?

>>54343341
Cry more faggot

>>54343364
What kind of bar plays the Matrix the movie is almost 20 years old.

>>54343350
To be fair, that's pretty nearly exactly what I thought when I saw them. I've never gotten to try PoW, so I still have lingering thoughts of how cool they would be. Sounds like the execution was less than wonderful.

>>54343396
They fit those themes to a T, at least those 3 disciplines.

If you're using them to just full-attack more often or pump out more damage you're just using worse versions of primal fury

>>54343292
So Riven and Shattered are generally on the same level of usefulness?

>>54343379
I'm not in a writing mood tonight, alright?

>>54343393
American TV channels often show movies, I've seen Sci-Fi do The Matrix plenty of times.

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*backstabs you*

>>54343404
From what I've heard, PoW is pretty much a damage upgrade, and none are as good at that as Primal and Broken. If I ever do get to play it, I'll probably sacrifice power for a more thematic feel, honestly. I can make something filthy strong already. The disciplines just seem nice for flavor and a touch of combat versatility. That doesn't mean they're balanced, of course. What matters is what COULD be done with them, so I understand why my GM is less than willing to allow them.

>>54343404

Riven Hourglass is high on damage and the utility of the discipline is insane. Better than Primal Fury in my opinion. Autohypnosis is also a great discipline skill because it gives semi fear immunity

>>54343453
It's a damage upgrade if you're bad at making martial builds in 1pp. Except in case of burst damage, No amount of PoW can consistently out dpr a 2h TWFing alchemist with vestigal arms + nat attacks. I think the latest build I made has a +45 on it's lowest imperatives and does something like 1600 dpr before factoring in its crit-fishing

>>54343483
Over-all it's better, i agree on that. However people only seem to take its damage dealing strikes and boosts rather than all the goodies that make you essentially immortal and uncrowdcontrollable

>>54343393
Lots of channels show old movies over and over again. All those STARS and the like will occasionally have the MAtrix play, and its common to have them play in anticipation to other movies coming out, like how a few stations marathoned the Matrix films around the time when John Wick 2 was coming out, so they could ride the Keanu wave

>>54343534

I think the best part of RH is that it has possibly the strongest boost in all of PoW, an extra attack. Maybe only second to perma self haste at level 5.

>>54343539
>tfw FX or AMC does a Lord of the Rings marathon

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>>54343549
>possibly the strongest boost in all of PoW

I think you mean Reflected Blade Style!

>>54343539
I'd like to ride Keanu's wave!
So handsome~

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>>54343539
>>54343606

Remember Keanu's advice about PMs!

>>54343627
I'm PMing them RIGHT NOW!

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>>54343606
Be careful, you may be too young to ride with him. He's been on that wave for a long time

>>54343627
Truly an immortal can know the most about the pain of regret

>>54343638
Aw, but he's so mysterious and cool.
I just wanna snuggle him

>>54343638
Who waaants to liiiiiiiiive forreeeeeeeverrrrrr~

>>54343627
>>54343631
>>54343638
>>54343673
It's so interesting how /pfg/ memes have gone from teasing to straight-up emotional abuse.

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>>54343638

>>54343673
Careful, you might find yourself low on blood if you do

>>54343627
Okay smartass, what the fuck do you even say when you "PM THEM OMG"?

"u wan sum fuk"?
"lemme smash plz"?

Bloodforge items are DONE!

Interesting notes

>Shadow Ink's price was misprinted as "1,4000 gp" while the cost to craft was "700 gp"
>An Ioun Gem allows you to sacrifice your neck slot for a COWPIS and one other ioun stone of your choice
>The Angered weapon special property allows for rage-cycling out the wazoo, and boosts your bonuses from rage by 2.

https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderdspwiki/home/dreamscarred-press/bloodforge/items-and-equipment

Next up, feats!

>>54343726
>>54343761
Look on the bright side, at least it's not as fucking infuriating as AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Isn't Phantom Thief more of a skillmonkey archetype than Empiricist Investigator?

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>>54343453
>making an initiator party with Piercing Thunder
>starting combat raining pila on the enemy and knocking them on their asses with Throwing Thunder
>standing strong with your brothers in Phalanx Lancer formation, a wall of shields and spears

>>54343776
>it's more of a skill monkey
>but it's five times as worthless in combat

>>54329041
A bit late, but if you don't mind investing the feats, grabbing the Eldritch Heritage feat line for the Stormborn bloodline will give your skald awesome weather-related powers.

>>54343786
It's gestalt bait.

>>54343788
Meant to reply to >>54335895 sorry

>>54343782
>Phalanx
>Not the superior Maniple

>>54343786
It'd be solid if it were full BAB, buuuuuut it ain't.

>>54343627
Oh sure, I'll just pick myself up out of my crippling depression, waddle on over to the person I'm crushing on, and go "HAY U WAN SUM FUK."

That'll solve all my problems and definitely won't get me rejected. Just like how every other relationship I've ever tried to initiate hasn't crashed and burned. Nope, no siree. I'll just "PM THEM" like it's all that easy, and we'll be true e-lovers forever. Like I'm really able to be smooth over text.

>>54343798
It's pretty shit gestalt bait my man, unless you REALLY hate sneak attack and debilitating injury and are dead set on not just taking Investigator.

>>54343825
Rogue would be pretty rad if it were full BAB, but as you've said, it isn't

>>54343774
I desperately want to cuddle with Wist.
Like, I'd buy plane tickets if it meant we could be together and hang out, and optimize characters, and make silly puns, and shower together.

>>54343927
Fuck you.
Fuck you and fuck your mother and fuck the cult you're trying to keep alive.

>>54343736
I'd be his blood doll ghoul~

>>54343841
I feel this. I feel this deeply.
I feel this anon's feeling deeply.

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>>54343927
>>54343930

>>54343927
I'll never understand the fascination with Wist. I mean, I understand arbitrary internet waifu degeneracy but I'll never understand why people latched onto Wist in particular.

>>54343841
I had a relationship for 7 years and it crashed and burned because apparently random other people (that are my friends) are just better than me.

It could be worse, Anon.

>>54343772
The hell is a COWPIS?

>>54343969

Wist is as autistic as they are

>>54343726
Why is saying "PM THEM" emotional abuse?

>>54343969
Mostly because she's one of the few around here to be "confirmed" to be female. And because the people she surrounds herself with gigantic fucking assholes. She herself is okay, for the most part.

But her friends are attention whores, shitposters, or both.

>>54343350

>horribly overpowered
>Broken Blade
> Primal Fury

> not stupid shit Riven Hourglass, Chimera Soul, Scarlet Throne or pre-nerf sacred/profane damage from Black Seraph and Silver Crane

good job leonardo retardo

>>54343969
Not that Anon, but I like Wist because I first met Wist after something really, really horrible happened to me. It was probably the darkest time of my entire life. Wist and some others were there for me with easy, fun diversion that helped me get through those first difficult months. I'm not usually this melodramatic, but I truly believe that Wist helped prevent me from doing something really dramatic and horrible, and for that, I'll be thankful forever. Thank you, Wist.

>>54344007
How is Chimera Soul OP?

>>54344007
>SANSETSUKON~

>>54344008
Holy fuck, I hope to all the gods on their thrones that this is satire.

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>>54344008
You're in a better place in your life now, brah. Be glad.

>>54343989
Be honest, do you believe anyone actually gets inspired to send a PM to someone they like? To someone they think they have good chemistry with, or want to get to know better?

No, because those people are all too insecure or scared to step up and actually initiate a conversation. So shitposters turn it into a meme specifically to target those people. They make posts like this >>54343631 just to pretend like it works for other people.

This meme, like the "LETS MAKE ANONYMOUS CONFESSIONS" and "OH HEY HOW'S YOUR WEEKEND LOL, IT'S GONNA BE GOOD, RIIIIIGHT?" bullshit, is cruel and manipulative.

>>54343981
Cracked Opalascent White Prism Ioun Stone. It's the one that gets you a weapon proficiency I think.

Also, speaking of DSP and Initiators, the effect of Warrior's Girdle (no ACP on Acrobatics or Climb checks) is an absolute godsend to have for any Acrobatics-focused Discipline like PT, BB, or TD, if you happen to be wearing Heavy Armor. It's also good for heavy armor Fool's Errand users, because it also affects Climb.

>>54344046
>We're all gonna make it, brah
Why couldn't you make it with us, brah?

>>54344046
I'm very glad. Even getting a new job in a new city and everything. Better pay, too, and closer to the people that actually give a shit. All y'all crazy fuckin' Pathfinder nerds kept me from going over the edge, and I'll never forget it.