/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>54309770
The Cult of the Doomsday Clock might have an answer. That said, you probably wouldn't like the answer or the price.

Just a friendly reminder that Tremere are the best vampires.

>>54310057
Just a friendly reminder that you're a fag.

>>54310057
>The best vampires are mages.
Mage supremacy wins again.

>>54310096
Could a Tremere turn himself into a lawn chair?

How exactly do you detect if something has abyssal taint?

I suppose Mage Sight with Prime should do it but it seems a bit easy to obtain and use and would spoil a few plots. Also, how does this work with Scelesti? If you can just detect an evil mage by using Mage Sight its a bit silly.

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Well I have an "everything went horribly wrong" story, I hope that's good enough
>be vampire
>investigating [plot element] at a scientific facility
>3 of us in the car
>Mekhet makes the whole car invisible while I drive
>fail my driving roll
>ask to make it a dramatic failure
>we hit a fire hydrant, car goes visible, everyone sees us
>oh shit how do we explain a car that just appeared out of nowhere
>decide to yell "For the glory of ISIS!" so they don't pin this on vampires
>mfw I realize what I just did
>Mekhet goes invisible and runs away
>me and the other guy flee from security forces into the sewers
>fail rolls to spook the pursuing cops
>other vampire shrugs and tells me I'm on my own before he uses Face in the Crowd to escape
>mfw captured by lowly humans with large guns
>mfw transferred to some shitty facility
>mfw it turns out Mages intercepted me en route to Gitmo
>mfw they inscribe some magic shit on me so they can keep tabs on me while they force me to do their dirty work
Unfortunately the game ended for unrelated reasons so I never got to resolve that.

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Once upon a time I saw a fanmade pdf with a lot of npc for VtM, can someone upload it?

>>54310153
Path of Elemental Mastery level 4 was created specifically for that.

>>54310205
What were you doing that required a drive roll?

>>54310283
I don't remember exactly. If I had to guess I'd say we may have been trying to access some area not normally accessible by car by driving through narrow corridors or something.

>>54309973
>Best "Everything nearly went horribly wrong but didn't" stories?

One time i almost read/run beast.....but i didnt.

>>54310371
Why do people hate Beast so much? The release version+Conquering Heroes fixed most of the bullshit.

>>54310189
Abyssal taint appears in the nimbus, so I think if a Scelestus wanted to be incognito they would have to cloak or alter their nimbus.

>>54310397
it's still bad the line itself is boring as fuck.

Do we have any idea when we are going to get like, a playtest of Deviant?

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>>54309973
Anyone know of any Dark Ages homebrew that they'd be willing to share?

>>54310397
>Why do people hate Beast so much? The release version+Conquering Heroes fixed most of the bullshit

Did it give Beasts a sense of self-awareness and made heroes playable?

>>54310485
Kind of yeah actually.

>>54310485
no not at all.

>>54310522
>>54310542
Which is the truth and which is tricksy Beast lies?

Hey TG, I'm new to WoD and my entire group, myself included, are hardcore Magefags. Our DM wants to run a game where we play something other than unstoppable reality benders. What race would you recommend?

>>54310581
Demon, where you are just near unstoppable reality exploiters.

>>54310581
Mummmy, where you're unstoppable reality rewriters

>>54310606
>mages, unstoppable reality benders
>demons, unstoppable reality exploiters

I think he's looking for something other than that, anon

>>54310633
>mummies, unstoppable reality rewriters

This too, why pick any of the three strongests. Playing something weaker can be more enjoyable.

>>54310581
Vampire, where you are very much stoppable and have little to no reality powers.

>>54310638
Hunters. About as far from it that's an actual splat.

>>54310638
>>54310658
>Playing something weaker can be more enjoyable

NO, YOUFOOL.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I MUST BE THE BEST.

CofD splat power level tier list?
Tier 1: Mage
Tier 2: Demon, Mummy
Tier 3: Geist, Changeling
Tier 4: Werewolf, Promethean, Vampire, Beast
Tier 5: Hunter
Seem accurate?

>>54310581
Archmage, where you are unstoppable even to unstoppables.

>>54310674
I WANT TO BE
THE VERY BEST

>>54310674
But Anon
if you make your dick too powerful
you'll run out of pussy that can satisfy
you have to build it up more

>>54310689
There was a nice tier list a while back, with four ranks

>>54310689
Beasts are stronger than vampires.

>>54310689
God Tier
>Archmage

Top Tier
>Prep Mage
>Loud Demon
>Fresh Mummy

Middle Tier
>Mage
>Demon
>Sin-Eater
>Mummy
>Werewolf
>Beast
>Changeling

Lower Tier
>Promethean
>Vampire
>Surprised Mage
>Prep Hunter
>Hunter

>>54310710
Are vamps the weakest actual supernatural splat?

>>54310575
>Which is the truth and which is tricksy Beast lies?

Lets compromise, say they tried to do all those things and as it is OPP we are talking about here, they failed miserably

>>54310689
Tier 1: Mage
Tier 2: Demon, Mummy
Tier 3: Geist
Tier 4: Werewolf, Beast, Changeling, Promethean, Vampire
Tier 5: Hunter

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>>54310730

>mfw mage will always be the only splat to have a god tier template

>>54310730
>Surprised Mage
Not a thing anymore unless you have more magic than the mage. The differences between orep and no prep are less than you'd think as well. I like dave b and mages. The 2e core is a well written book but he fucking blew it on 2e.

>>54310780
It's not like the other splats (except for maybe Demon) actually -need- a god-tier Template.

As DaveB has mentioned previously, it's an entirely thematic topic. Not all gamelines require it.

>>54310792
Mages can still be surprised in Awakening, it's just not an easy thing to accomplish.

>The 2e core is a well written book but he fucking blew it on 2e.
This is where I take off the gloves and slap you silly. No Mage edition, old or new, has ever been as coherent as 2e has been so far.

>>54310809
I honestly think Changeling should be a lot stronger thematically speaking, if they can turn into true fae and stuff at power level 10. I hope 2e buffs them a bit.

>>54310780
Beast will get their god tier incarnate template in the players guide, so the ugly step child game will be the only other one with anything comparable to 'gods'/

>>54310843
Changelings are fine as they are, the big gap between their capabilities and that of the True Fae is what's thematic about it.

True Fae are -supposed- to be leagues above their victims. Very few playables can take them on reliably.

>>54310840
What is Time 1?

>>54310857
We already know a good deal on Incarnates. They're not Tier 4 worthy.

Tier 4 Templates are world enders/benders.
They're still the closest another splat has got, other than Changeling.

>>54310860
But if they turn into true fae at highest power shouldn't they be pretty close to that then?

>>54310864
Not all Mages have Time 1.

Cabals fix that.

>>54310581
Changeling or Hunter.

>>54310860
Can a non-archmage mage fight a true fae?

>>54310840
It's coherent. It's not very balanced. In the sense that two master mages can blow each other up with one spell without any fight. It's not even about WW v mages it's unbalanced and just not fun to play mage at the higher end spectrum.

>>54310880
True Fae were rank 7 entities according to Imperial Mysteries. They would be on par with lesser Archmages.

>>54310890
If they have Fate and/or Matter, yes.

>>54310888
Changeling isn't *that* weak, Vampire is probably weaker.

>>54310910
These two statements contradict each other.

>>54310900
If you're looking for epic wizard duels, you've come to the wrong place. "wizard duels" are quick and vicious. Vile and ruthless.
It's part of why magic is so scary, you -know- what your equals (even lesser) are capable of. Archmages are even more terrifying, as they're practically impervious even to Masters.

Master mages fight their peers like a magical cold war.

>>54310880
It's different. Becoming a True Fae isn't a sliding scale or anything. A 9-Wyrd Changeling is strong and stuff, but he's not even close to a True Fae.

When you hit 10 Wyrd and your Clarity is low enough you pass an impassable threshold. After that, you're just ideas. It reduces you to an archetype that is more "you" than you ever were, but also much less at the same time. That's where the power comes from, that break from reality and truth.

>>54310900
You can fix so much of mage 2e with one simple houserule, level 5 disciplines don't ignore withstand.

>>54310924
True Fae are weird, they can only be killed by their flaws, similar to Idigam.

These "flaws" are easy to come by for certain mages

>>54310930
And that makes it boring when you have a party of masters because what one can't do the other 4 will do with ease. 1e mages had fantastic spells but still had issues blasting each other.

>>54310936
I believe it was mentioned that powerful Changelings have a good chance against a True Fae, assuming it's outside of Arcadia/Hedge.

>>54310957
It's not boring to me. Classical wizard duels are always the same.

This is more realistic for me. Magic, if it existed, would be horrific in application.
Seeing an actual lengthy duel between two Masters means they're just THAT good.

>>54310961
The True Fae practically lose their 6+ rank status when they're on Ironside.

They're very exploitable out of their comfort zone.

>>54311009
What's their rank in the hedge, and what is it on earth?

>>54310732
You could definitely make an argument for it. Lots of easily exploitable weaknesses that aren't exactly top secret, and their powers don't pack any really special or especially hefty punches.

>>54311035
I like to imagine that they're rank 7, as described in Imperial Mysteries.

Outside of the Hedge/Arcadia, they're still formidable but not entirely unbeatable, certainly no more than a rank 5 entity.

Why don't the Freehold/Courts hire Mages proficient in Fate to help them deal with the Gentry?

There are Changeling experts among the Orders, after all.

>>54311139
Who even needs fate when you can steal some rich old persons fire poker and/or fence.

>>54311139
I bet Mages are more interested in brokering deals with the Gentry themselves.

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>>54310792
>Surprised Mage

Demon Storyteller's Guide, p. 130

"Fragile enough when surprised, but surprising one is easier said than done"

If Demons find mages dangerous, few others really stand a chance.

>>54310880
They're rather close at lower-to-mid levels.
An Archmage could graft unto his Template all the capabilities of the True Fae, or make himself a Cold Iron bitch-slapping god.

The question the Archmage is thinking though
>"Do I really want to go through all the effort to track down the Quintessence? I still have other, more prevalent Obsessions..."

Archmages can triumph over anything, they're just rarely inclined to do so. Assuming it isn't relevant to their long term goals.

>>54311139
You'd have to be offering a pretty hefty sum to even get a Mage's attention, and then offer a whole lot more to deal with something like the Gentry.

>>54310886
>Not all Mages have Time 1.
>Cabals fix that.

Indeed. Mages are scary players in the CofD, but messing with an entire mixed cabal is effectively suicide by mage... if you're lucky.

>>54310930
Archmages aren't all that terrifying because they can hardly do anything themselves. They have 500 other Archmages and assorted cosmic entities in a MAD Mexican Standoff 24/7
Yeah you can't do shit to them but they can't really do much to you directly either.

>>54311294
Cabals are also a great thing for Storytelling too.

All members probably develop close bonds (or at least great respect and value) due to how appreciative they are of the other's Arcana.

A secondary family, if you will.

>>54311305
You might as well label every god-tier being as "not all that terrifying", anon.
Archmages aren't the only ones bound by the Pax. Every 6+ entity is under its influence.

There's also never more than a hundred Seekers at a time. More fail the Threshold than succeed.

>>54311294
If your Cabal happens to have a Master of Space, barely any action will be needed for magical retribution.

Create Sympathy is such an overpowered spell.

How long has it been since we had a thread entirely devoid of anything Mage related?

>>54311305
>500 other Archmages
less then a 100.

>>54311139
Changelings are insular and paranoid by nature. Would you trade away one of your dearest friends to someone who has an equal chance of befriending them or vivisecting them?

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>>54311438
>and assorted cosmic entities

>>54311427
>10% of the setting
>each thread can have 310 posts

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>>54311386
>If your Cabal happens to have a Master of Space

If the cabal has a master of anything, you're fucked. Masters are pathologically obsessive WMD's that can easily defeat most non-mage or demigod-level adversaries by themselves. If they have some mage buddies along for the ride, just hope they're satisfied with just killing you, as there are many alternatives that are far worse.

>The Pack, p. 53
>"interfering with a mage is a great way to find out which fates are worse than death."

>>54311243

>>54311468
>Would you trade away one of your dearest friends for vivisection?

Sometimes sacrifices have to be made...

>Don't make deals with mages, it will not end well for you.

>>54311427
You mean the last time we had a totally stale thread moving at a snail's pace?

>>54311637
In fairness, this is hardly the freshest content either, given that this 'how powerful are mages' stuff has been covered a couple of times in the past by /wodg/.

>>54311678
It's always re-ignited by the deniers.

There will never be a thread unstained by the filth that is Mage.

>>54311717
>deniers start it
>yet mage is the problem
????

>>54311717
If it wasn't Mage you guys would whinge about something else.

>>54311732
I acknowledge Mage supremacy.

I just don't like it.

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>>54310220
this?

>>54311746
Eh. I'm fine with acknowledging Mage supremacy. Like, sure, they're the most powerful splat. Fine, that's a fact of life. It's not like any reasonable person would bring a Mage into a Vampire game, and only a complete fucking idiot of a ST would let someone play a Mage in a multisplat party. Practically, Mage supremacy should never really upset a game.

>>54310397

Yes, they fixed it.. with dick eggs.

Fuck Supernal Magic, that's the real power.

>>54311746
And what's your favorite splat, perchance?

I hope these threads never leave Mage behind.

My life is hollow without Mage supremacy.
How else will I convince myself that I matter?

Damn you Chad.

>>54311782
Go fuck yourself, Francis.

>>54310890

On Earth, easily. Hedge is neutral ground, but arcadia is bend over and grab your wizard ankles.

>>54311775
Promethean

>>54311774
>Yes, they fixed it.. with dick eggs.

Why wouldn't every supernatural power in a region not want to wipe the scourge of beasts from their domain other than plot armor(tm)?

If there ever was a splat that deserved the torches and pitchforks treatment, it's beasts.

>>54311323

Among the Pentacle, yes. Seers... not so much.

>>54311820
>On Earth, easily. Hedge is neutral ground, but arcadia is bend over and grab your wizard ankles.

What would happen if a True Fae battled a mage in an Arcadian verge?

>>54311774
>dick eggs

from what I remember the dick isn't the only place eggs come out from

>>54311861
Seer Pylons, man. Not even once.

>>54311861
>Among the Pentacle, yes. Seers... not so much.

The Seers are also like family, just more like a crime family.

>That's a nice Mystery you've got there, it would be a shame if something happened to it...

>>54311863

Yeah, I noticed. That's sure some shitty caviar.

>>54311845

It is a Mystery.

Say, you know who likes solving Mysteries...

>>54311925
>Say, you know who likes solving Mysteries...

I would imagine a live vivisection of beast would be quite informative (and entertaining).

If nothing else, it would teach the beast the valuable lesson of mage supremacy.

>>54310689
I believe something like this.

Tier 1: Mage>Demon>Mummy
Tier 2: Sin-Eater>Beast
Tier 3: Werewolf>Changeling>Vampire>Promethean
Tier 4: Deviant>Hunter

>>54311973
Aren't Beasts just normal humans, physically? Like you couldn't see or tell anything special about them, and their powers are invisible and shit.

>>54312001
Mage Sight would show you their true nature.

>>54311427
I don't know about entirely devoid, but 2 weeks ago there was the thread that was mostly just talking about Geist stuff. Was pretty nice and nobody was sperging out.

>>54312001

A vivisection by a mage doesn't just splay the flesh, but reveals the secrets of the spirit and soul.

While the mage may use Fallen tools as part of his investigations, there are no finer scalpels than the Sight and the Arcana.

>Beasts might consider themselves experts on fear, monstrosity and nightmares until they meet a dedicated and inquisitive Mystagogue, when they painfully learn they are little more than whimpering amateurs and poseurs

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>>54311766
Yup. Thank you, anon

>>54312111
Anyone or anything that thinks it's scarier than a Human with a god complex is in for a rude awakening.

Mage was a mistake

>>54312231
wrong

>>54312189

If they have the power to back it up. that is.

>>54312231

So were you.

>>54312189
>Anyone or anything that thinks it's scarier than a Human with a god complex is in for a rude awakening.

It's not a "complex" if the human really is a veritable god among the human herd.

>"Awakening," I see what you did there.

In Beast, can the Apex of a region be a supernatural being other than a beast?

>>54312292
Yeah. In the Beast chapter of the DEC there's a vampire Apex of a region even. Some crazy Ordo Dracul scholar who basically keeps everyone locally in line while pursuing her arcane research

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>>54311502

>>54312462
That sounds retarded.

>>54310988
It has nothing to do with duels and more to deal with intereting adventures if all your antagonists have to cheat with powers to make it a challenge than there's something wrong with the game. you shouldn't have to make up counters just to make sure the mages don't just brute force it.

I'd say archmages are probably more balanced because it makes sense for them to go up against godlike cosmic horrors on a day to day basis over normal masters who'd get blown the fuck out.

Honestly the change to balance them is too strengthen threshold and remove exceptional success options. however why did I have to be the one to do it?

>>54312462
>>54312477

Chris Allen, the author of the short lodge write-up, indicated on a few occasions that his understanding was that the "sorcerers" were rarely, if ever, supernal mages.

>>54312639
I love Exceptional Successes. There are more options than just blowing through your enemies.

You have to realize this.

>>54312639

Mage antagonists tend to be equal to or more powerful than mages. Within the Mage gameline, adversaries and antagonists are balanced against pc's. "Balance" does not necessarily mean mages are of the same power level as other splats, as crossover while possible, largely due to consistent rules mechanics, it was never a design priority in nWOD/CofD.

>>54312666
>just blowing through your enemies.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Does anyone have the pdf for W20 Shattered Dreams?

>>54312735
no

>>54312735
Pumpkin

>>54312735
>pdf for W20 Shattered Dreams

https://www.sendspace.com/file/z0b4oa

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>>54312735
https://www.4shared.com/s/fFJD-cQEtei

>>54312787
>>54312789
Thanks, guys!

I'm trying to find information about the supernaturals in the Caucasus region in cWoD. Does anyone remember anything offhand?

>>54312904
I got this much from Shattered Dreams:

>In the hills north of the Inhospitable Sea, the Garou prince Unyielding-Stone rules the Sept of Locked Horns. His years of conquest have been too successful. The Garou no longer have Fera allies against political vampires, southern demons, or the Wyrm-tainted sorcerers in the Caucasus.

What would a Mastigos gain from dating a Daeva?

This is somewhat relevant in my current Chronicle.

>>54312694
What?
I mean I wouldn't call it a priority, but crossover balance and consistent rules was more a priority with CofD/nWoD at the least.

I think it is safer to say at higher levels, the games don't match balance with each other. The 'high level additional gameplay' stuff for each game may as well be in whole different worlds.

But for out of the box characters, the game isn't all that unbalanced, and works pretty consistently.

>>54310397
The only good thing to come out of Conquering Heroes was a Black Manta knockoff.

>>54312928
Lots of information about the Invictus and Kindred community in general, either through pillow talk or mind reading. He could also maybe get the idea to replicate Majesty with Mind magic.

>>54312941
Crossover balance isn't focal. This is explicit.

The various Templates use the same rules so as to utilize them for storytelling purposes.
Definitely not for the sake of balance.

Consistency =/= equality

>>54312807
Pumpkins

>>54312941
I believe Dave explicitly said that inter-splat balance was never a priority in development. You might be right about things not being so unbalanced with starting characters, but bear in mind that a Mage can start out as a Disciple, and as soon as he goes up the one level to Adept, any semblance of balanced is fucked.

>>54313035
Even within mage only game.

>>54313058
Awakening is pretty damn balanced internally speaking.

Externally, as in crossover, not so much.

>>54312928
Sweet vampire poonani, contacts, and a way to analyze vampiric disciplines with mage sight at leisure.

In my current game one of my players is a Guardian who has been keeping a Daeva girlfriend/moral compass secret from the rest of the cabal. He's also been trying to disentangle her from the local viper pit of kindred politics and wants to get her somewhere safe without anyone being the wiser.

This of course is going to blow up in his face and I can't wait for that story arc to begin

>>54312928
Would suck. If the love is genuine then the mage would eventually consider Lichdom.

Why cause pain and suffering for your vampire gf/bf as you slowly age and die?

>>54313100
For shame, anon. In bleak worlds, happy endings are the best. Don't take his vampire girlfriend from him. They should be able to escape and have a chance at a life together.

>>54313100
It shouldn't be hard for a mage to smuggle a vampire away. Why would kindred society risk angering an actual wizard and his cabal?

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Is there any news on Deviant? I enjoy the idea enough, all they have to do is not fuck it completely and I'll probably run it.

>>54313120
>to truly love an immortal one must also be immortal

You can't hate a Mage going Lich when it's because of this. Love will push you in crazy directions.

>>54310397
>Why do people hate this line so much, don't the stupid goyim know that there's supplements they can buy that fix some of their problems?

>>54313100
>Daeva girlfriend/moral compass

Just how fucked up is your mage that a vampire is his moral compass?

If he believes he truly cares for the leech. he should incinerate her and let her soul move on instead of descending further into monstrosity and endangering everyone around her.

>>54313018
>Pumpkins

Squash

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>>54313191
Pumpkins

What pumpkin?

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>>54313277
Pumpkins

>>54313294
What pumpkin? There's no pumpkin here.

>>54313074
I don't know if I believe that.

>>54313177
/pol/ please go, and stay go.

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>>54313306
There are pumpkins everywhere. Even behind you. Right now

>>54313127
You got to work for your happy endings. It's not really much fun/ interesting if their is no conflict along the way.

>>54313148

It's not the Kindred he's got to worry about.

The local prince is actually a puppet to a hidden Elder of impressive age and power who's not only bad touching the mage's vampire girlfriend he's also allied himself with agents of The Eye. So currently my player is underestimating the situation. Glorious Hubris.

If the other Guardians find out he's been shacking up with a breed of vampire famous for seducing and manipulating people she isn't their relationship is despite the odds genuine he'll be lucky if they decided to only just execute him for stupidity.

>>54313178

Guardians of the Veil do fucked up things even by the standards of Mage society.

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>>54313372
>Guardians of the Veil do fucked up things even by the standards of Mage society.

But how do they feel about the universal sign of seasonal horror, the pumpkin

ENOUGH WITH THE PUMPKINS


....please

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>>54313463
But why?

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>Playing in a Mage one shot over Roll20 with a friend DMing the other day.
>Its just me and him playing, since I'm currently running our long-running campaign and wanted to PC for once.
>Premise is I wake up in Vegas with none of my stuff or clothes or memory of the night before.
>DM has me make a sheet, briefly consider which concept to use before deciding Taftani.
>ohmanherewego.jpg
>Game begins, find myself in luxury hotel with no clothes or memory of last night, door to the master bedroom is locked.
>Blow it open with a fireball, inside is a show lion.
>Jump out the fortieth story window
>I'm on the fucking Strip
>Burn some WP, a swirl of desert wind catches me and gently puts me down.
>Several hispanic men walk up to me, call me "Aladdin" and tell me I owe them $100,000.
>I accuse them of robbing me or kidnapping me, and when they press the issue I summon a sudden gust of wind and sand to blind them so I can escape [which the DM, who lives in Arizona, insists is actually a thing that happens in the deserts of FuckThisPartofAmericanInParticular and is thus Coincidental]
>Leave, make it back to my hotel room, get my stuff.
>Release a djinn, take a bath, fly on a carpet in clear view of the Strip [accumulating copious amounts of Paradox as I do so], find the gangsters again.
>They tell me I got wasted last night, got into trouble with one of the lion's, gambled a lot and intended up taking their share of the winnings [$100,000]
>Tell them they're lying and they should apologize for their robbery and insults or die.
>They try and shoot me, magical bullet shield is cast.
>Works less then ideal, take alot of damage.
[Cont]

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>>54313537
>Summon up a storm with my scimitar, send them flying through the air and splattering across the pavement.
>Crowd freaks out, some people insisting its all a Vegas show.
>Float over the crowd on a magic carpet and tell them my name is al-Rashid ibn Aamar ibn Aamirah Mahomet Ibrim, that magick is real, and that the world is lying to them.
>Reaction is mixed, most thinking its all just part of the street show.
>Leave town moments before the whole area is swarmed by Technocrats to nurse the wounds I'm sure to develop when Rashid inevitably Backlashes from throwing around infinite cosmic power on the Vegas Strip.

Not the most interesting story, but I had fun with my first experience playing Mage [as opposed to running it].

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goodnight pumpkin-friends

>>54313537
>>54313546
This is not how you Taftani.

>>54313074
Not really.

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>>54313574
What part in particular is "not how you Taftani"? Because I basically just read "Lost Paths" and went with that.

>>54313599

FUCK PARADOX

>>54313604
I jumped out a 40 story window in full view of the Vegas Strip.

I road through town on a flying carpet.

I killed those who wronged me in full view of the public.

At what point exactly did I fail to live up to the Taftani ideal?

>>54313620
"Toward the end of their lives, after they have finished training their last student, many Taftâni masters go to highly public places, full of Sleepers, and perform their last great Weaving as a sort of retributive strike against the status quo."

Did you happen to play a suicidal master?

>>54313769
Taftani masters sound pretty cool

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>>54313769
No, but that was hardly necessary to be a Taftani. The same book you got that quote from says that Taftani are most commonly found in the Empty Quarter of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and the Southwestern United States.

So I figured it wasn't beyond the realm of reason for one to find their way to Vegas for whatever reason. And of course while there he saw no reason to quench the flame of Asha in himself.

Like I said, it was one session and I left sitting on a pretty big pile of Paradox.

>still probably would have found a way to make it work if I was to ever play that character in a longer-running campaign. Paradox-inviting Arabian nights sorcerers are fun as hell.
>the concept, not the sub-splat.

>>54313847
Taftani are easily my 2nd favorite faction. Etherites will always be my #1 but damn if the Taftani aren't awesome.

>>54313120
Time 2 means no aging.

>>54314538
I honestly never understood being able to use time magic to stop your body from aging. The process of aging is also inherently the process of existing - healing, muscles functioning, digesting fucking food, thinking.

It makes sense for a Life mage to be able to stop their body from aging but, whilst it sounds thematically correct, it doesn't make sense for a time mage to do the same without literally freezing themselves in time whenever they are not actively doing something.

>>54314583
Its magic. You dont have to understand it.

>>54314538
>>54314583
It's an Indefinite spell. It would cease your aging, but another Mage could remove it on a whim.

All your halted years are going to catch up with you.

Immortality in Awakening is easy, but it's not worth it.

Lichdom is the way to go, but you will be fucking others up in the process.

>>54314628
The FC had the best method, just pick up a new healthy body every 50 or so years. No messy soul eating to keep track of and you're not constantly hunted by other Mages

>>54314618
Thats not how Veil of Moments in 2e works, yes some asshole can dispel it, but age doesnt catch up with you.

>>54314618
>All your halted years are going to catch up with you.

And that makes even less sense. Is the implication here then that you're basically holding back your body from aging, while time keeps on stretching forward more and more like a giant elastic band until something snaps and your sent rocketing forward?

Like, if I cast a magical fire and it gets dispelled, the effects of that magical fire wouldn't be undone would they?

Why then would the effects of somehow now aging be undone when the weaving was dispelled? Surely you'd just age like normal after that.

>>54314601
That's a bad way to play the game though. If you're using magic without understanding why the chain of cause and effect is getting you the results you want, you're literally playing a game and saying 'it happens the way I want' without any consequence or risk.

That sounds like a terrible way to play Mage.

>>54314628
Nigger you forgetting Scions of God? Become an eternal spirit God with spirit influences with the same power as whatever yout dots in your arcana were (so now you don't even cause paradox because it's spirit mojo)

And your attainments let you command other spirits as simply as talking to them and you can freely step in and out of the shadow while bitch slapping with holy agg prime fire.

All without having to suck on souls like a fuck nugget.

>>54314667
Most people are terrible mage players. Don't worry about it.

>>54314667
When your a mage it does just "happen the way you want it" you dont need to be a fucking science geek and know the composition of gold to conjure it out of nothing you know.

And it makes sense that time stops aging, as time is a factor in the aging process, without time you wouldnt age so it makes perfect sense you can make yourself immune to it. Just like making yourself immine to kinetic energy with forces.

You know, i kind of want to make a crazy Technocrat from the Progenitors.

He's using company tech to turn people into dinosaurs.

I know he could be using said tech to cure cancer or stuff like that...but (in his own words) he doesn't want to cure cancer, he wants to turn people into dinosaurs.

Yes I am suggesting that we make Marvel!Sauron in Mage the Ascension, no I do not care that it is silly.

Also captcha gave me drills but no Spiral Power, it must be an agent of the Anti Spiral.

>>54314704
>And it makes sense that time stops aging, as time is a factor in the aging process, without time you wouldnt age so it makes perfect sense you can make yourself immune to it. Just like making yourself immine to kinetic energy with forces.

But time isn't a factor in aging - cell replication is. Your body remaking itself and getting shittier and shittier at doing it is what makes you age. To use time magic to stop that, you'd freeze your cells in time and just lock yourself in time.

At best you might get away with doing that to everywhere but your brain and essentially being a living statue, but your brain would still age and freezing that would probably kill you.

>>54314730
Time isnt a factor in aging?

You a retard, you are talking science to a mage. GO fuck yourself and see past the lie.

>>54314730
Have you read the spell? It stops healing, spending exp, regaining mana and willpower, getting conditions and all sorts of stuff. Not aging is just a side effect.

If you dont even bother to read stuff dont comment on it with your headcanon.

>>54314730
That's a bit much but I can see the argument for Life 2 component to mitigate that concern.

Although there is a legacy where your body stops againg but makes your body unaffected by the Life Arcana and instead uses the Death Arcana to emulate life techniques that affect your body.

>>54314642
>FC had the best method
Little reminder please? Who is/are FC (I guess you don't mean Free Council)?

>>54314647
>>54314655
I'm just going by what DaveB mentioned previously. Time will catch up with you. Only Lichdom is reliable.

>>54314673
That's Lichdom.

>>54314768
Free Council had a Rote in their faction book called Steal Body. You basically rip out a dudes soul and shove your own essence in in it's place. Took Death 5 but it was a permanent effect and didn't make your soul rot like the Tremere stuff did.

>>54314768
He does. For some reason the Free Council book introduced a body swapping spell where you yank out your mage soul jam it in another body and then boom you're good to go (although you really don't want to fail that roll).

>>54314774
wtf did DaveB say previously?

>>54314785
...What did I just type?

>>54314785
>>54314796
I'm not sure if this is two people having an argument, or one person being confused.

>>54314796
And where did he type this exactly?

Reminder that Lichdom is any non-Imperial method of reliably extending one's life, usually screwing with others in the process.

It's not the D&D equivalent of a rotting corpse floating in the air.

>>54314807
There are like ten immortality topics in the Awakening section over at the OPP forums. Buried deep within the double digits.

Dave posted the relevant comment in one of them. Have a look.

>>54314808
Ah I correct myself. I just thought it was the catch all term for the various Tremere Legacies specifically.

Reminder that Archmages are only half-immortal, being essentially half-ascended beings.
They don't age within their Golden Roads.

Yet their existences are still leagues more durable than that of Liches, and far more extensive.
Not that they can't fully make themselves immortal with the Imperial Practices if they truly feel the need.

Immortality might even prevent Ascension.

>>54314778
>>54314782
Thanks. I didn't remember that one.

>>54314774
Unlike the Reach option, the basic effect of Deny the Reaper should be permanent like the other Potency-based spells and should include degradation by aging. Sure, like swapping the body, it's a Death 5 spell and so mostly available to Moros who generally don't give a fuck about immortality, but if you are dedicated to not dying without screwing other people over, this could be one way to go about it.

Daily reminder, that Liches mostly have a bad rep because of Tremere, who are pretty much Reapers with an immortality perk, and most Mages who want immortality are impatient fuckheads and want immortality *right now*, without getting the required knowledge and Arcana understanding first.

How often do you use real world politics in your games? I'm thinking about setting my campaign in a rather volatile part of the world with a recent history of tyrannical autocrats and war, as well as Russia knocking on their gates.

The idea is to combine the tense political climate with a mystical undercurrent. Recent war crimes and conflicts have left a festering scar in the spiritual landscape, allowing dark things to crawl out from the woodwork. Ancient pagan practices turn to blood sacrifice, warlords hear whispers in their heads and so on.

Thoughts?

>>54315053
It's permanent? So does this mean a vain Moros could eventually de-age himself back into a young adult?

>>54312101
The threads with few mage stuff are generally the good ones.

The thread goes fast with magfags spamming but there is hardly any quality discussion.

>>54315325
It's not directly stated in the case of this spell, but in general, if the example Making/Unmaking spell is Lasting, it has Potency as a primary factor, while if merely Indefinite, it has Duration as primary. Makes sense, when the rule of thumb for primary factors is "what you think about first when you imagine the effects of the spell". With Potency spells, you don't really need Duration, so you imagine the "punch" of the spell, so to speak. In the case of spells that aren't Lasting, you first think about how long it will last/worry about dispellation.

Example spells, where the Lasting/Indefinite duration is clearly defined (with Reach options sometimes defining themselves as exceptions) are spells like Corridors of Time, Quarantine, Create Sympathy or Cut Threads (Space 4, but similar principle). The definition is mostly apparent in Mastery spells and more dubious in lower Practices, but Deny the Reaper *is* a Mastery spell.

To summarize: It makes no bloody sense to first think of Potency in case of Deny the Reaper, unless Duration doesn't really matter at all.

>>54315877
Thanks, friend!

Cleared up much and more.

>>54310189
Close inspection of the taint is required

>>54310792
>Not a thing anymore unless you have more magic than the mage.

Why mages cant be surprised anymore? Permanent running 24/7 spells?

>>54311862
If the mage has good Fate, mage wins. If he has Time but not Fate, even match. Otherwise, true fae wins.

>>54317695
Mage: Oh no, what's this, he's making the water ripple I'm so scar-*Sees that the True Fae is folding a chunk of itself in half to squish him.*...I have been completely bamboozled!" *Gets squished*

>>54317695
The true fae in Arcadia is a fucking god, the mage doesn't reach deity level until mastery.

>>54317951
Don't some of them take the form of huge tracts of land?

>>54317965
I'm sure that some of their forms possess huge tracts of land, but nothing will stop a determined Master.

So M20 question. I took the Dual Traditions merit (I really don't know if that needs to be a 7 point merit, but it is what it is) and I'm wondering if I need seven instruments for each paradigm or in total.

>>54318196
Depends if you can pull off the one-man-band look.

>>54318215

Well the one paradigm involves expressing stuff more than objects as instruments, so it might work.

>>54314816
And then there is the spell which says it can be done, doesnt mention time catching up with you cos its paused.

Go troll somebody else, if you cant back up what yer saying then fuck off. For somebody who quotes science shit like cell division you know nothing about mage. Life magic doesnt heal people by speeding up cell division or some shit, it heals them cos wait for it: MAGIC!

>>54317951
Supernal Arcadian verge, not Fae Arcadia. Both the Mage and the True Fae are boosted by that.

>>54318965
The point remains.
Fae become gods

>>54319236
In before somebody mentions that archmasters kicked gods out of the supernal realms and took their place, theres nothing stopping them from doing the same to fae in arcadia..

>>54319290
Listen you little shit, we were explicitly not talking about archmasters.

>>54318965
>Supernal Arcadian verge, not Fae Arcadia. Both the Mage and the True Fae are boosted by that.

Would a true fae really be boosted by a supernal Arcandian verge?

Question about spell control and supernal entities. Say my mage summons a supernal entity from the primal wild and after completing the trial asks him to cast a spell to make him stronger. The entity casts an indefinite 'honing the form' spell granting the mage 6 dots in strength, dexterity, and stamina before poofing back to the supernal.

Who's the owner of the spell? Or does it count as having been released safely/unsafely etc.

So is princess: the hopeful still a thing?

>>54320059
The supernal entity cast it so its his control, he'll probably release it unsafely. Then again he has infinite reach, does it mention infinite spell control?

Which of the corebook Strix would you use for a short intro Story to VtR?

>>54320299
The one who is riding around in a cop. Get players used to trying to deal with mortal institutions when they're already dead and have to learn to operate differently

>>54315190
Seems pretty cool, just don't take a page from old WW.

>>54310886
Considering the two merits that require it thats suprising.

>>54320167
>So is princess: the hopeful still a thing?

Not if you have any self-respect.

>>54320406
Funnily enough, that one and the Thief of Masques (the Masquerade breacher) where my own two considerations.

Why does the image of a Strix-puppet Huntsman amuse and terrify me?

>>54320465
Two merits? Do you consider Between the Ticks to be useful?

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>>54311769
>Just started playing in multisplat game
>Only mage
>mfw

>>54320626
Huntsman in the context of Changeling the lost? Thats gotta be a powerful strix.

>>54320495
Let's assume i don't

>>54320782
I think it's devoting most of this power to keeping the Huntsman quiet.

You know how existence for a Huntsman is horrible pain?

Existence that will not end due to being hijacked by something that's preventing you from carrying out your mission? That's probably worse.

>>54320949
Yes. Imagine the strix choosing to merge into the huntsman

>>54320997
On the one hand: Overpowered bullshit.
On the other hand: Multisplat Sly Marbo.
On the other hand: ...Why do I have three hands?

>>54321028
Lots of plot hooks to be had when you go "non vampire splat+strix+merging"

>>54321028
>>54321058
>>54320997
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2K8R3qXyDyodWhkbDNWSzdvRlU/view
This bloodline seeming vampire changeling Hill wrote up before leaving would probably fit in that sort of game.
The Admonitoria bloodline/seeming

>>54321091
Yeah saw that really neat and would love to see it expanded on

>>54321127
TOO BAD IT NEVER WILL BE. 2e Changeling will also probably suck.

>>54320696
Possibly. I only picked up the other at creation.

>>54320626
I'm putting a Strix / Lune sort-of Magath in my upcoming game.
TLDR there's a high ranking asshole spirit with the ability to abduct humans and other spirits and graft them together. The Shadow is not happy, and neither will the PCs when they have to deal with this shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Faeries

How viable would a relationship with a Changeling be?

Can I fuck one?

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>>54321901
I have just the pic for this.

>>54322044
It turns out I was wrong.

Still, this image would fit for a True Fae who wished to be Exploding Knees levels of Radical.

>>54322042
see >>54321901

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>>54322377
There any Kith+Seeming Combos that will let you look like a scarecrow complete with Pumpkin?

>>54322399
There is an autumn entitlement where you get a mask that could easily be a pumpkin and it makes you spoopy. The Scarecrow Ministry.

>>54322435
Sounds fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOtEdhKOMgQ

Would a Mage who is a member of the Scions Of God Legacy be a good high level antagonist for Werewolf? You know, those Mages who turn themselves into spirits.

>>54322554
>Scions Of God
>Obrimos with Ruling Spirit
>antagonist for Werewolf

Why do you hate werewolves?

>>54322628
Werewolf took my brother on a date and then flipped out when some kid got a nosebleed two rows down in the theater. Ate him whole

>>54322670

#NotAllWerewolves

>>54322705
#95%OfWerewolves

>>54322705
Yes, some flip out with other triggers like the full moon or someone being rude to them. Gotta walk that sweet harmony line or the tiniest trigger sets them off right?

>>54322554
>>54322628
>Scions Of God Legacy be a good high level antagonist for Werewolf?

An Obrimos with Spirit could easily render himself effectively immune to kinetic damage and spirit powers.

If a pack attacked him, it would be suicide by mage (and that's without any additional assistance from his cabal or other mages).

>>54322743
>Gotta walk that sweet harmony line or the tiniest trigger sets them off right?

I can only imagine what would happen to a SJW werewolf on a college campus.

>Werewolf: The Triggering

>>54322751
Can't Obrimos also use Prime to say "Uh, no." to pretty much anything not covered by a 9 foot tall wolfman punching your face out through the back of your head?

>>54316982
You need less prep for casting in 2e.

>>54322812

Directly attacking a mage proficient in Prime with magic-type attacks is generally an exercise in futility.

>>54322776
They'd probably wind up high on the human continuum. Once your harmony gets to like 8+ or 1-2 doesn't the amount of your kuruth trigger needed to set it off drop something insanely low, like a kid with a nosebleed or someone talks back to you?

>>54322670
>>54322705
>Werewolf took my brother on a date and then flipped out when some kid got a nosebleed two rows down in the theater. Ate him whole

Your werewolf sounds like a vampire.

It's almost like CodD splats are *monsters*...

>Mages are human, and thus the worst monsters

>>54319236

True Fae are only gods when not out in Ironside.

>>54322751
The claws and teeth of a Werewolf deal supernatural damage, so it's not purely kinetic. There would a Clash Of Wills consisting of the Mage's Gnosis + Forces + Duration Bonus vs the Werewolf's Resolve + Primal Urge or something.

>>54322042
Probably pretty easy desu. Changelings are just like the emotionally damaged nerds and roasties you sleep with already.

>>54322949
Oh, here we go.

Some autist using anything he/she has to argue back.

>>54322949
Without kinetic energy they couldn't touch you to do damage.

>>54322949

That's not Clash worthy.

>>54322949
Werewolf cant hit you when he has been teleported to the middle of the atlantic ocean bitch.

>>54323013
Obrimos don't have Space

>>54322928
>Your werewolf sounds like a vampire.

I'm trying to find the offset box in the 2e core but it gives some common triggers and how much of it you need at various harmony degrees. I recall blood or bloodshed was one of them. I'll try and find it just for my own peace of mind to see the others, I know I didn't imagine it but I cannot fucking find it.

>>54322628

It's almost as if it's an antagonist they can't murder their way past...

>>54323037
Anyone can have space. I have a Mastigos and have decent Death and Fate. You just need to budget the exp right

>>54323055
That's too high-brow for Woof fans.

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-classic-world-of-darkness/vampire-the-masquerade/1116054-best-jobs-for-vampires

How many posts until someone says Lawn Chair?

>>54323104

It's funny, one of the OWerewolf books mentioned how attacks on Pentex were achieving the opposite of the desired result. Almost as if Rage never solves anything...

>>54323055
Anon who pitched the idea here.

Bingo. I wanna have an antagonist that requires the players to think outside the box (and isn't even necessarily out for deadly combat).

How can I make this interesting? If all you have to say is "the Mage wins hurr durr" please don't bother replying.

>>54323055
>It's almost as if it's an antagonist they can't murder their way past..

We are talking about werewolves, right?

>>54323170
the Mage wins hurr durr

>>54323170

If he's a spirit, what's his Ban gonna be? Or would he have fetters like a Ghost? What does he want, what does he care about, what's his motive for crossing paths with the pack?

>>54323170
The Mage "wins."

It's not like he even wanted to be attacked by woofs in the first place, so he's been really frustrated. Eventually if they bother him enough without getting murdered he offers to cut them a deal (or, if he fucks with them too much, they beg him for one): Stop bothering the Mage while he does his thing and he'll help them out occasionally.

>>54323153
>Almost as if Rage never solves anything...
No, really?

>>54323223
If the woofs lose badly, they have to help him in exchange for not getting their shit pushed in.

>>54323170

In order to make the mage a viable antagonist, you need to make him an outsider with more limited resources than your average Pentacle or Seer mage. For instance, if the Scions were considered left-handed or liches in the local consilium. I also would allow him to be more than a first or second degree adept or have to wide a spread of Arcana.

If the mage has experience, allies and local resources and support, no less significant power and position in local Shadow politics, he will be near an insurmountable opponent for the pack (at least without their own mage allies).

>>54323264

Or there might just not be many mages in the area. Dearth of Big Mysteries and the Scion's looking for somewhere a bit less busy, as he's tired of consillium politics.

>>54323170
>>54323196
>the Mage wins hurr durr

I don't believe a mage can "hurr durr" before mastery or above, and that requires an Exceptional Success..

>>54323295

I imagine that a Scion of even moderate ability would have a substantial Rank and power base in the local Shadow, likely in excess of the pack. These mages' natural aptitudes along with such allies would render the mage formidable both in and out of combat.

A Scion of God almost seems purpose built to ruin a woof's day.

What is the best way to play Robbie Rotten as a Mage?

>>54323213
My guess is that he wants to do something that fucks up the spiritual ecosystem, like creating a super Spirit Manse where it doesn't belong, or trying to create artificial Idigam minions. The Werewolves can't have that, but typical combat is of no use.

>>54323223
>>54323239
Maybe. But it's less "make a deal with me or I'll wreck your shit" and more like "hey, maybe we can all win if you just help with a few (possibly Hubristic) things..."

>>54323371
Robbie Rotten is a goddamn True Fae, you dingleberry.

>>54323387
Robbie Rotten is a god damn hero. Lazy Town was perfect before that fascist Sportacus showed up and started imposing his will on everyone and making them all exercise. Robbie Rotten just wants his world to go back to normal.

>>54323387
Well if he's a True Fae, then explain...this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es_UCS5_4I8

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>>54323371
He isn't strong-willed enough to become one. He'd make a better Cainite considering how elaborate his schemes can be.

How would you create a true fae based on wild western?

>>54323438
>He'd make a better Cainite considering how elaborate his schemes can be.
Ah yes, the Cainite Heresy, clearly the best way to be a villain number one.

>>54323104
Woofs are jocks, vampires are the popular kids. Mages are the nerds. And nerds always win the heart of the changeling cutie and go to prom with her.

Oops, wrong thought process. What I meant to say is that when you have brawn, you have brawn. When you have the brain, you can eventually create yourself the brawn and now you have both. So that's tough for werevolves.

Prom or the harsh reality of life, mages are still nerds. And nerds always win.

>>54323371
Robbie Rotten is a Genius from Genius: The Transgression.

Or maybe he's an Unchained Demon, what with all the gizmos and disguises. Sportacus would be an Angel of the God-Machine.

Important question: How do I keep a harem as a promethean?

>>54323450
>WE'RE BURNING UUUUUPPPP!
>WE MIGHT AS WELL BE LOVERS ON THE SUUUUUUUNNNNN!!!!!!!

>>54313170
Zero fucking news beyond "it exists" and it has a tiers like system. We don't know SHIT

>>54323511
>Or maybe he's an Unchained Demon, what with all the gizmos and disguises.
This just makes him choking on the Moon even funnier, because I'm pretty sure that the vacuum of space doesn't do anything to Demons.

>>54323514
You'd have better luck playing as a Begotten Food Critic.

>>54323573
That actually sounds kind of funny. Tell me other Beast ideas that aren't shitty edgelords

>>54323557
While in Cover, he'd choke like a human. He might be immune in Demonic Form, but you can't use that too much (it attracts the attention of the God-Machine).

>>54323450
Did you watch West World?

The True Fae would either be Robert Ford, or more likely, behave like the Man in Black but with all the power of Robert Ford.

Their little world would be like a western town, everyone repeating the exact same stories every day, but with their newest catches dropped into the mix to see how much they could change the story each day, giving them something fresh to experience. While the True Fae goes around as the Black Hat, causing general chaos that they want the Fae-touched to respond to.

Then once the Changeling is corrupted enough that they no longer really fight back... they are just another Host, and it is time to send out a Huntsmen to catch someone new.

>>54323606
An easy one is to have an Ugallu Collector and/or Nemesis who Feeds their Hunger by solving mysterious crimes, like Sherlock Holmes.

>>54323689
This would make Moriaty the Hero, which is fine by me.
>Sherlock: "People have died."
>Jim: "That's what people 'DO!'"

>>54323438
RIP

>>54324263

>>54323387
>have you ever seen the inside of an escher painting?
>no?
>WOULD YOU LIKE TO