Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Scions were a mistake, Kasrkin were robbed.

Reminder

>Fighting alongside the Ultramarines was an experience I shall not soon forget. I think, towards the end, the sons of Macragge had almost begun to respect the tau fire caste. Some shared notion of honour, perhaps.

love the alien, literally in their gene(seed)

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How's my salamander list

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>>54294052
Not even Chaos tolerates the Xeno.

>>54294052
Wait, when were Tau fighting with Um

>>54294052
Ultramarines have had half-eldar among their ranks from their first inception.
They're filthy xenos fuckers one and all. That the Inquisition hasn't declared them traitors to the human race is nothing short of a miracle.

I'm in a bit of a predicament.

The short end of a long story is that I have 20 terminators: 10 Calth Cataphactii, 5 BoP Tartaros, and 5 FW tartaros. As much as I would love to dump them into one army, that's 1000+ points locked into 20 dudes, so I'm splitting them. Here's the million dollar question: who get the Catas and who gets the Tarts? The choices are Carcharodons and Night Lords. I'm heavily leaning towards Night Lords getting the Cata since Carcharodons can actually use the Tartaros armor as Tartaros armor for that much needed +1" move.

I have plenty of axes and combi-weapons for the CSM that fits either, so that's not an issue.

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So does anyone here actually play sisters? I assume the answer is no because you could just buy two cheaper armies. I'd just save up, but since everything is metal, it just sound like an expensive hassle (and there is always a rumor that plastic Sisters are "coming soon").

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Need more big boobed eldar I can abuse.

>>54294052
What is this from ?

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Is pic related with heavy 40 for 160 points actually good or just meme tier ?

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>>54294012

I've got twenty kasrkin though and still want to buy more scions.

>>54294052
I for one welcome the prospect of the Orks being the galaxy's white blood cells and deciding to purge Chaos and the Tyranids and then reverting back to chaotic fight-happy hooligans.

>>54294090
Been playing them for 10 years and currently have over 2500 points of pure sisters. However, I feel stretched for special weapons for the first time in a long while.

>>54294072

They've had a few scuffles
Dalyth Prime I think included

>>54294083

Maybe the Girlyman and kin are merely embodying the exotic tastes the Emperor had?

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>>54294116
>Heavy 40

>>54294111

I recognize many of those words, but I don't understand them in that particular order. You speak madness, anon

>>54294116

>is something faster, tougher and harder to kill than tactical marines for less points than those tactical marines good

yeah its pretty good.

Its killing 4.44 marines per turn with just the BRRRT alone, its pretty damn decent.

What's a good counts-as for that dumb ammo baby? Was thinking Silver Tower tiny 25mm gryph hound with a melta bomb strapped to his collar.

>>54294116
>Strafing Run
>Can hover, so remain stationary to avoid -1 To Hit
>HEAVY 40
>160 points

... Why am I so erect right now ?

>>54294145
>Suicide bomber bird-dog

Jesus that's bleak

>>54294090
Me but I don't use GW stuff bar Celestine and Verydian or w/e her name is.

Have a local tournament coming up, ITC rules and all that jazz. My problem is I bought most of my models secondhand so WYSIWYG is difficult since most of my terminators don't have falchions/ neither do my strike squads.

What to do friends?

>>54293831

I love the torso armor of the scions, the berets & helms look dumb though. Might kit bash them. Are they cheap units to field? What are they good at?

>>54294142
>with just the BRRRT alone
dont you exange like, everything for the brrrt anyway ?

>>54294160
start cutting or run a suboptimal list

>>54294065
Not very good.
Lacking in mobility.

>>54294160

Honestly halberds and swords aren't that far behind falchions and they have their own advantages in their niche, you'd be fine running them as WYSIWYG.

I'd be more worried about your amount of psycannons.

>>54294142
Can you work out some mathammer for me?

x1 Machrius Vulcan. (I forgot the stats, I think it's S5 -2 2D Heavy 15 and Heavy 30 if stationary)

How many MEQ does that kill a turn? What about stationary?

Now do the same but with a Trojan Support Vehicle within 6" giving it re-rolls on all failed hits.

Has forgeworld commented on the lack of Dreadnaught Drop Pods yet?

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>>54294116
>Heavy 120 for 480 points
>bad

>>54294145
I use servoskulls lugging ammo myself.

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>>54294052
I'm expecting this issue specifically to start a new Imperium civil war with Guilliman and Ultramar on one side, and the Imperium fundamentalists on the other.

Old 2nd/3rd edition player here, thinking of jumping back on the train with a new army and could use some advice

I've set a few guidelines for myself:
No marines, chaos or orks, because I played those in the past
Small specialist force, both for ease of painting and collecting and because they're more fun to me. I don't really mind if they aren't that effective this edition for whatever reason
Ideally fully armored trips aesthetic wise, because I think it looks cool and am bad at painting skin

That in mind, I'm thinking craftworld or dark eldar (full kabal in the latter case), maybe tau. I always liked the aspect warriors, but a unified kabal paint scheme would probably be easier for me to pull off.

Money isn't a huge issue, but painting is, so multiple vehicles and minimal infantry is appealing.

Thoughts? Any other factions sound like they'd be good?

>>54294166

Heavy bolter baby.

>>54294106

one of the newest BL artworks

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>>54294205
Good, good

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When will the Imperium's favored son return?

>>54294193
Any fundamentalists would have hard time since galaxy is fucked and Bob is ruler of Imperium.

>>54294211
Maybe another Primarch wakes up and doesn't like the compromises Guilliman is making.

>>54294233
L I O N
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>>54294181
I have a fair few and can actually run a purgation squad so I'm not worried about special weapons, I have quite a few on my terminators too. Going to be picking up another 5 man strike squad so I have 15 for a battalion.

Any recommendations on a list? I have a friend going playing nids, another playing SM and a maybe playing Tau. The max tournament limit is 18 so I know what 5 people will be bringing.

>>54294116
I really want to run a Fire Raptor with 2 of these supporting it

24HB shots 12Super Assault cannon shots

80 BRRRRRRRRRRRRTs

>>54294159
>why doesn't GW make plastic SoB?!

>>54294227
Sanguinius is coming back? You know the guy who's the 2nd most worshipped being in the Imperium? Who literally has Space Christmas; The Sanguinulia, named after him?

Neat.

/tg/ memed me much like 4chan always does. Always complaining about Tau players never painting stuff. Now in my local everyone has unpainted armies or models except the Tau players.

HAHAH wrong again /tg/ as usual. My awesome army is now going to get annihilated by titans around every corner and necron gauss pylon spam.

>>54294196
Harlequins , small elite force and have pretty cool rules and are eldar.

>>54294216
>What are those fliers ?
>These ? Oh they're similiar to Valkyries, but have no transport capacity and just a heavy bolter ...
>Oh, that doesn't sound too bad
>... and a gun that shoots 40 times

>>54294233
No one would follow him except for unforgiven.

>>54294182

Easy.


Without Trojan, moving: 2.22 (that BS5+ on move is a killer)

Without trojan, standing still: 6.67

With trojan, moving: 3.7

With trojan, not moving: 10

Lesson learned: Don't move it. 60" is enough to hit essentially anything on the table if its placed in the center of your deployment zone.

>>54294244
Yes, why don't they? I would snap them up in a second for autistic people like you to be placated.

>>54294227

never, sangy is dead dead

>>54294196

suit/armoured tau is low model and no skin

>>54294160
>be that one dual wielder fag who made a bunch of useless falchion draigowing models in 5th when everyone was all like "muh daemon hammers" or using penis compensator guts swords and polearms

HAHAHA MY TIME HAS COME

>>54294262
Oh I knew TG was full of shit. Why do you think I spent so much time beautifully painting a Ta'unar for the local. :)

>>54294261
>Oh wow, bet it's expensive
>Oh no, not really. These 5 are only 800 points

4pts a bullet

>>54294267
10 kills per turn for 448 points? Hmmm. Dunno if it's worth it. Fun.

Why doesn't the Stormlord have the stationary buff? It's just Heavy 20 and it's the same stats bar a slightly longer range. It needs to become Heavy 40 if stationary to earn back it's points.

>>54294271
>plays SoB
>with third party models
>calls others autistic

World
of
Wewcraft

>>54294280
Lul, I also prefer the look of a grey knight a sword or halberd.

Fuck me right?

Just ordered my first box of nobz.
How fucked would I get if I made an army mostly made up of them? Don't want no tiny gits in muh wagh.

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>>54294239

Strike squads are your bread and butter, always take max allocation of psycannons

paladins are straight up better than terminators point for point and 2 strike PAGKs are better than 1 terminator

PAGK are really god damn good at shooting

interceptors arent jump infantry so they can ride in transports, which paradoxically means you should always teleport your troop Strike Squads and put your interceptors in rhinos/razorbacks

stormravens are really good

If you have Voldus or Draigo take them.

Paladin ancient is amazing.

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>contemptor with 2 punchy fists is a relic
>contemptor with 2 ranged weapons isn't

FW pls

>>54294291

448 is pretty expensive but it does mulch MEQs better than essentially anyone. Its also a very legitimate threat against all terminator equivalents as well.

Stormsword is amazing because you can just put heavy weapon teams on its firing deck and give it an extra 20 lascannons.

>>54294301
Thats what i did

until I realized boyz were great now and got 120 of them

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>>54294116
>Not taking 5 of them at 2k

pleb

>>54294329
It's 350 for the Machrius and 98 for the Trojan (sadly you can't take it naked so you have to take the 8pt heavy bolter). As for Stormsword, yeah, it is. But I liked the stationary buff it used to get with 20 mortar teams in the back. Sadly I dunno how good mortars are now.

>>54294332

>I've increased the amount of guardsmen I own by more than double
>I don't even think I'll run them as conscripts

>>54294309
I have collected
A Storm Raven
Draigo
Voldus (put a helmet on him and cut the hammer head off and put a sword blade on it)
10 Strikes
5 Purgation
5 Interceptors
30 terminators/paladins
2 Apothecaries
1 Ancient
1 Land Raider
2 Dreadnoughts.
Have all the assassins too

I get all the stupid gimmicks with interceptors riding in transports for the 15 inch move and strikes teleporting in, as well as paladins being a better deal than terminators due to 9 more points.

My problem is I don't know how to list build effectively because I always end up focusing on one aspect, so I might spam too many paladins or too much power armor.

>>54294281
>TG

no effort

>>54294290

shooting at conscripts while stationary

17.78 wounds, 11.85 kills
13.5 points per kill

>>54294253
Harlequins are cool as hell but I am not confident my faded painting skill would do them justice.
>>54294276
Heavy suit oriented tau is certainly an option. What could I get away with less infantry with, that or transport heavy eldar?

>>54294360
>shooting at conscripts while stationary

Was that suppose to be at me? I'm the Machrius anon guy who can't into mathammer.

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Why haven't any corrupt planetary governers (not chaos corrupted, just plain old corruption) that were rich ever made their own space marine chapters that were completely devoted to them instead of the Imperium as a whole?

Would be interesting seeing a power-hungry governer ascend into ruling an entire sector, but the Imperium's hands being tied because he wasn't a heretic and was technically loyal to them.

>>54294330
>tfw chaos
>drop my melee contemptor out of my Dreadclaw
>other 2 contemptors shooting with their BUTCHER CANNONS
>cast warp time on melee contemptor
>charge the bastard
>charge with the claw too because fuck you sword legs
>murdertron punches
>takes wounds in return
>heals them the fuck back because murder tron

Feels good to be chaos for once.

>>54294116
>F-Forgeworld isn't broken guys, it's all super balanced

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>>54294251
>Space Christmas; The Sanguinulia
I think you misspelled Fistmas.

Will Dark Imperium get a sequel book? It was better than I expected.

>>54294354

>30 paladins
>1 land raider
>1 storm raven
>Draigo

damn, you've nearly got a whole Draigowing right there. You could make a perfectly viable draigowing list w/ dreads in a Vanguard detachment if you wanted.

Otherwise, if you're getting another 5-10 strikes you could run them as troops and then have a decent amount of paladin/dread support in a storm raven backing you up.

>so I might spam too many paladins or too much power armor.

Don't worry as long as they have delivery mechanisms and some backup anti vehicle, its hard to go too overboard with paladins.

Its more about what kind of list you'll think is fun to play right now.

>>54294380
s t e e l c o n f e s s o r s

y o u r d u d e s

>>54294386
I'm enjoying 10 scarab occult with a lord deepstriking and shooting 46 times, hitting on 2s rerolling 1s

things tend to die...violently

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>>54294380
The Inquisition even went after the AdMech for doing this. What do you think will happen to some noble scrub?

>>54294389
That sounds horrifying.
Is that where Crimson Fists get their gauntlets red ?

>>54294388
>FF-Forgeworld is O-OP MMOM!

>tfw the only winning list are spamming GW flyer
>tfw all 7th was dominated by wraithknight /bike/farseer/riptide that were all GW

>>54294379

That was adding on math to the points per bullet thing

>>54294366
>What could I get away with less infantry with, that or transport heavy eldar?

Not sure, I don't have an interest in Eldar so I can't advise you on that

>>54294416
I suppose that's true.
40k isn't known for it's balance, is it?

>>54294398
I got into GK for muh terminator spam. Wouldn't mind running a paladin heavy list because they make me laugh. Better to run them in squads of 3 for spam or 5 for the special weapons? Also Apothecaries/ancients worth it if going with paladins? Can always go for the gimmick Purge Soul stuff.

>>54294380

You need the help of the Admech on Mars to even make marines, let alone have a continuous chapter.

>>54294395
think that's what the new campaign is about.

How Mortarion fucks up in stopping the Ultramaines.

>>54294409
That is not possible, because a Chaos Lord is not allowed to have the Thousand Sons legion keyword, and Scarab Occult ALWAYS are Thousand Sons. So actually you are a filthy cheating bastard good sir.
Thousand Sons need a Daemon Prince for that trick to work.

>>54294428
Prescience I assume

>>54294428
He presumably had someone Prescience them.

Although, why would you use it on SOTs instead of on Las Pred is beyond me.

Anyone know of any good 3rd party arms for dark angel deathwing apothecaries, and/or imperial space marine?

>>54294413
No, it's where Dorn enslaves mutants and forces them to make sparkly frag grenades and decorative knives for the juves of Necromunda, because even in the grim darkness of the far future kids need to have fun sometimes.

>>54294434

Totally. Run a vanguard detachment with draigo as HQ.

Apothecaries and an ancient are nearly mandatory with paladins.

I would try and maximize your ability to take psycannons as you'll be wanting as much shooting as you can fit.

Always take your storm raven and your land raider, preferably put a dread on your storm raven too.

Hammerhand is always absurd on paladins.

Remember that you can Gate of Infinity land raiders and dreads now.

>>54294395
Author said its part of new series.

>>54294416

I don't get why people hate on FW. I think it is just envy of people who can afford premium minis, I wish I could afford to buy a bunch of titans

>>54294413
It's a Necromunda thing. Involving a lightning claw wielding madman appropriately called Santa Claws.

>>54294442
Mathhammering it, 40 Inferno Bolter shots does just about as many wounds as a laspred does to a T7 3+ save tank

>>54294428
Prescience mothafucka

>tfw 10 axe termies with combi-plas
>prescience for +1 hit
>Lord to reroll 1s
>20 BS2+ overcharged plasma shots rerolling a 1s
tfw I've done it and immediately dropped 2 predators

>>54294473
Most of my hate comes from the majority of FW stuff I've played against being shitty conversions by obvious waac asshats

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>>54294330
Seriously. I want to buy more of these Sicarans but GW doesn't want me to.

>>54294419
For the Vulture guy? Feel like doing the Machrius question for GEQ's? Need to know it's point kill total a turn desu.

>>54294455
Also I've got 2 Imperial Knights. Forgot that too, one's fully magnetized and the other is a Knight-Errant.

Why would I take a Stalker boltgun?

>>54294455
>Suprise turn 1 land raider in your face with Gate of Infinity
>Using Gate of Infinity to re-position Stormraven so that it doesn't have to fly off the board next turn

Holy shit, why didn't I think of this before ?!

>>54294428
Prescience
>>54294442
because I think predators are stupid and or boring
>>54294440
Who said anything about playing Tsons, there are no rules for anything specific yet So narrowing yourself into a legion that does not exist is pointless
>that's so WAAC, you faggot
You can't claim conscripts and fliers as the only thing worth taking while simultaneously screaming that you can only play fluffly with footslogging tacticals

Who am I kidding, it's /tg/, of course you can

>>54294389
Well Sanguinulia or w/e is the biggest event in the Imperium. Though maybe Emperor's Day is more relevant.

>>54294499

Sure, give me the profile

>>54294485
I'll assume both have 2+r1 and 3+ save.

>40 shoots
>39 hits
>13 wounds
>9 unsaved

vs

>4 shoots
>4 hit
>2.33 wound
>8.5 damage

Well, i'll be damned.

>>54294473
Have one fw model, a hierophant, it's more of a conversational piece than actual game model, never really hits the board. Kind of like saying "my splinter fleet has crushed Titans" without actually saying it.

>>54294380

You can't just "make" a chapter with money.

>>54294515
You misspelled Fist of the Emperor's Ascension.

Am I the only one who can't see the Chaos page for the Mathhammer doc?

>>54294501
GK don't have the numbers to properly support an Imperial Knight. And their own units are expensive enough already.

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>>54294116
Murrica fuck yea .. the list

>>54294516
Up here >>54294182

>>54294354
If you wanna go full spam
>2 10-man strike squads, 10 interceptors, 2 4-man Paladins, and a stormraven full of voldus, and ancient, apothecary, and 3 Paladins
Is pretty cool.

More balanced, 2 6-man interceptor squads in an assault Cannon razorback is AWESOME for dealing with light enemies, and caps out at 500 points even (also the cost of 20 interceptors,which is also cool). Interceptors are the beasts of late-game objective grabbing, and objectives in general

Dreadnoughts are solid, especially if you have a stormraven to carry in, but generally it's about a mix of heavier dudes and strike squads.

This is my favorite list:
>voldus
>Ancient
>apothecary
>3 Paladins
>all the above in a stormraven
>6 more Paladins
>15 strike squad
>either of the above Interceptors (20 dudes, or 12 and 2 razorbacks)
S'pretty good.

>>54294520
>3+ save
>not being in cover

>>54294548
>tanks
>being in cover

lel

>>54294539
Wrong aircraft. The Thunderbolt Heavy Fighter is the A10 equiv.

>>54294473
Can't speak for most, but a majority of the people I've seen use FW use chinacast and tend to be smug assholes. Also, >>54294497. Majority of the R&H armies I saw were plain IG/Dark Vengence cultists with no conversions and WWI model artillery. I own some FW models from FW and had some of them complain to me about paying FW prices for stuff I like, was the weirdest shit. Then again both of them make near minimum wage without any major skillset so fuck 'em.

>>54294532
Gladly, enjoy your pouting

>>54294524

>hire assassin/spy
>steal some gene seed
>clone it
>make chapter

yeah, you can

>>54294510
The Chaos Lord's ability only affects friendly units with the same <Legion> keyword you asshat. You can deep strike him along SOT all you want but they don't listen to a non-sorcerer commoner, it does nothing.

Either you lack basic reading comprehension, or you are a WAACfaggot still in the denial phase.

>>54294565
>hire spy
>treason
>heresy
>heresy
At this point you might as well call up Fabulous Bill to skip two steps.

>>54294593

it's only heresy if they know

you really think the likes of the inquisition has a clean record? nah

>>54294556
>Wrong aircraft. The Thunderbolt Heavy Fighter is the A10 equiv.

but there are no double BRRTTT fighters :(

>>54294565
Geneseed vaults are absurdly protected by autistic machine men. It only happens with plot armour. But they're 'your d00ds' so nothing stopping you making this shit up. Inquisitors wouldn't let it slide though. They got involved with Steel Confessors.

>>54294565
The real issue is money can't buy the equipment and expertise required to create a new space marine chapter from scratch. Even Space Marine chapters themselves lack the equipment to do that. There's a good reason only the High Lords of Terra are able to sanction the creation of new marine chapters.

>>54294565
>>steal some gene seed
>>clone it
>>make chapter

Those are literally the hardest parts/impossible for regular assassins and spies.

>>54294501

Honestly Knights aren't gonna be super great with grey knights unless you're mostly power armor, since they're essentially distraction carnifexes in an army of nothing but distraction carnifexes.

>>54294508

Yeah shits great. Just drop a LR crusader in rapid fire range turn 1 like its no fucking deal.

>Defiler - Here's the deal, Defi is exactly what you expect him to be, he's a big, stompy, killy daemon engine that will inevitably draw in a lot of enemy fire because of how dangerous he is. with vanilla wargear he clocks in at 268 points. which is a lot, but for good reason. he has 14 wounds, toughness 7, 5++ invuln, strength 16 melee attacks. lots of long and short range fire power with the battle cannon, autocannon and twin heavy flamer. smoke launchers for defense and Auto heals 1 wound at the beginning of each of your turns. While he is a jack of all trades unit, he can be kitted out accordingly. replace the heavy flamer and autocannon with a lascannon and havoc launcher and ruin some vehicles day or bring a power scourge and trounce any units that try to jump you. Another thing to keep in mind is that the defiler can be taken by any of the legions including the death guard. Meaning if you bring a Malignant plaguecaster you can target your defiler with Miasma of pestilence to make him even harder to take down, or bring a regular sorcerer can cast prescience on him to make his guns even more lethal. going from hitting on 4's to 3's with the battle cannon, lascannon or reaper autocannon can be devastating.

Daily reminder that two Deffies > Magnus

>>54294540

Assuming BS 4+, applying a reroll misses effect
And stationary.

Heavy 30 Str5 AP-2 D2
10 MEQ kills
15 GEQ kills

>>54294545
Looks nice, my problem is normally I'd just run my PAGK as whatever power armor because I hate WYSIWYG, but I don't have 10 interceptors/20 Strikes. Or Razorbacks, and my wife won't let me splurge currently.

So atm it's just 1500 points with what I got, and an additonal 5 strikes coming in.

>>54294619
Avenger is a fighter but it has no double BRRRTT I'm afraid. Only has one. A10 is CAS but is closer to a heavy fighter than a fighter. Though the Avenger is a Strike Fighter. So maybe the Avenger is more a A10 equiv.

>>54294652
Not too bad.

>>54294616
There's a reason no official chapter has this origin. The furthest money maroons have gotten are the Minotaurs, and that's a special order of the High Lords. Clean record of not, operating a chapter is a logistical nightmare if the Imperium at large (at the very least Mechanicus, Navis, and Astra Telepathica) doesn't cooperate.

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>>54294565

I think this is a great fucking idea for a chaos warband

asshole greedy as fuck and super resourceful planetary governor makes a space marine chapter all for his own sake

And then the marines immediately turn on him and take his place of power, becoming marauding traitor warbands

>>54293986
I can't seem to find cover rules for vehicles and walkers. If a sentinel is in a forest does it get +1 to its save.

>>54294559
>look at me! I can afford to pay $60 for 5 IG models! Complaining about these fair prices makes you a smug asshole

>>54294532
Are they faction chaos?

>>54294652

Addedum, the D2 is wasted on marine targets. Firing at a Lemming Ruse

5 unsaved wounds *D2
You chip off 10 wounds in one go.

>>54294669
Raw if it's 50% obscured.
Locally, we tend to go with 'X, Y and Z are cover. If you're in it or behind it, you're in cover'.

>>54294665
If anything a planetary governor is way more likely to get the things required to create marines from renegade/traitor marines than through loyalist institutions.

>>54294665
That idea is awfully stupid and so is your image.

>>54294669

How do people still fuck this up?

>>54294665
>>54294565
If you want to do it. Do this

>System of worlds held by one governor
>Forge World with gene vault nearby
>governor gets greedy
>invades planet with his hundreds of millions of troops under some shitty pretence
>gets elite units to steal some geneseed
>offers some censured Ad Mech the ability to do whatever they want if they help make the new chapter
>they make it cause crazy
>Space Marines don't get hypoindoctrination due to retaliatory force
>break free and become a Chaos Warband

Or, if you want them to be loyal, have them stopped by the retaliatory force and indoctinated to the Imperium and shoved into one of the older foundings 'officially'. Made full chapter strength and the Forge World, due to it's part, is forced to supply them at 500% efficiency as punishment. Have governor killed/replaced.

Go from there.

>>54294170
Hes also got jump packs in a salamander list which is fucked


Then again they dont exsist until the codex drops

>>54294693

Sure, maybe he even tried to raid a Mechanicus convoy en route to a different chapter. Point is the guy fails horribly in the end.

>>54294698

Its a big galaxy

>>54294065
Charge your phone bruh.

>>54294708
>It's a big galaxy

Not big enough to fit all of these horrible OC donut steele chapters.

>>54294653
WYSIWYG not withstanding, you could do-

>voldus
>apothecary
>Ancient
>3 Paladins
>all above in stormraven
>venerable Dreadnought
>3 more paladins
>10 terminators
>14 interceptors
Or swap the dread for more Paladins. Could be pretty fun, specially against medium infantry armies

>>54294704

I like it. It has a 2000 AD feeling to it, where someone tries to get clever and game the setting in a sort of meta-game way and it just bites them in the ass.

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>>54294012
Kasrkin were a mistake Inq Stormtroopers were robbed.

>>54294738

I would like to remind you that Legion of the Damned are completely canon.

>>54294170
Are tacs even worth taking in metal boxes?
>>54294705
Yeah I'm not happy about it but I need better deep striking and drop pods are garbage

>>54294763
Melts delivery in AssBacks

>>54294708
>Its a big galaxy

This just means "my idea is shit but I can't defend it so I'm just going to ignore established canon but desire to discuss canon despite that".

>>54294776

I would be upset at it if this was the basis for some dumb loyalist chapter, but I cant really fault it when someone tries something stupid in fiction and it shits all over them in their moment of triumph.

You could easily change it from planetary governor to secretly renegade arch-magos, it would hardly make a difference tonally.

>>54294774
Sounds like it could be fun

Feeling like the land raider full of pain is too expensive to use as it's going to be focused to hell and back

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>Hey, do you guys remember that time a Planetary Governor invaded a Forge World and bribed some censured Adeptus Mechanicus to make him a personal space marine chapter that later rebelled and fell to chaos?
>The galaxy is a big place haha.

How does one contact the chinaman? Specifically CCon

>>54294848

Isn't that literally the cursed founding

>>54294116
>>54294191

$150 bucks for 3 chinacast Heavy 40 i win buttons

Some conscripts and a commissar to tie down in CC anything that the gunship might be killed by until everything else is tabled...

What am i missing? it cant be this easy

>>54294787
>You could easily change it from a corrupt mayor creating a renegade military force to a country's dictator, it would hardly make a difference tonally

It would make a huge difference.

>>54294865
No, so I'm not surprised you're stupid enough to think it's plausible. That's fucking nothing like the Cursed Founding. In any single way.

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>>54294276
>never, sangy is dead dead


feelsbadman

>>54294876
Literraly who have it ? CCON and irene dont

>>54294876
>it can't be this easy
>goes up against 6 lascannon tarantulas
>gets absolutely destroyed
Holy shit I just realised tarantulas are the ultimate counter to conscript tarpit spam

>>54294848
Mate I just gave him a way to explain it if he wanted to do it. Why are you having a fit? Loads of different ways you can bullshit it

>Ad Mech research team finds hidden geneseed cache on planet
>Governor trades a STC for the creation of his own personal Chapter
>stuff happens

Literally this easy mate. Why do you care what other people do anyway? I think it's stupid myself but I won't stop other people doing it. Lines get drawn somewhere, but a chapter creation like this isn't one of them.

>>54294876
If only it didn't look retarded.

>>54294913
it doesnt look retarded woth the gatlin kit tho

>>54294876
>Chinashitters

>>54294918
It still does, just less so.

>>54294910
>6 lascannon tarantulas
literraly rarer than bigfoot and the chupacabra giving birth to an eldar in the middle of Manhattan.

>>54294911

Well first of all, Ad Mech aren't in charge of making chapters, so...

>>54294876

Just hope your opponent doesn't bring more conscripts/horde spam than you.
Those heavy 40 weapons kill less than 27 points of conscripts per turn.

>>54294913
>he doesn't grab recast valkyrie sky talons and fit them with punisher gatling from taurox kits or 3rd party 28mm gattling weapons

>>54294927

I was going to buy marine lascannon tarantulas for my fleet chapter, but then they immediately sold out during brexit and have been OOP since.

And I'm not buying the pussy flatfooted IG version.

>>54294741
Was tryin to based off your list do
GM
Apothecary
Ancient
5 Paladins
Stormraven
Ven Dread
5 Paladins, but the psycannons are just too expensive

>>54294905

In 10,000 years with quintillions of people and millions of star systems, you mean nobody below the highlords has tried to make their own marine chapter?

>>54294894

Not the best analogy considering entire insurgencies can be based around a single city

>>54294931
>he doesn't mount Reaver Titan gatlings on his flyers

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>>54294927
Welp sonny, best hope you never go up against me then.
Tarantulas are basically my primary/secondary anti-tank due to my anti-tank options restricted to lascannons, meltas and missile launchers and nothing else

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>>54294930
so 130 conscript a turn for 5 turn ?
Im pretty sure airbrushing 5 Vulture will take me a week, and no one will actually buy, build and field 650 conscript.

Also 5 of them are only 800 points/2k
you still have LOTS of toys around

>>54294949

That's exactly what it means, and that's exactly how hard it is to make an entire chapter you dipshit.

>HUR DUR YOU MEAN IN 10,000 YEARS WITH QUINTILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND MILLIONS OF STAR SYSTEMS NOBODY HAS EVER KILLED THE EMPEROR?!

>>54294967
there's only one emperor

>>54294928
No, but they have created chapters without consent on their own. Once again, Steel Confessors, were created without authority to be the personal lapdogs of the Ad Mech.

>>54294930
>haha that 160 point vulture only kill 81 points of conscript a turn

are you retarded ? its literraly one of the most efficient hardcounter to conscript

>>54294961
No, i'll probably never go against you, so im pretty safe BRRRRTing for a few years

>>54294967

>That's exactly what it means, and that's exactly how hard it is to make an entire chapter you dipshit.

Why? Later founding chapters have a pretty serious turn over rate. All it takes to make a chapter is a chapter dying, a sector lord requesting a replacement and the highlords rubber stamping it.

In fact, a planetary governor trying to worm his way into influence with a newly planned marine chapter sounds pretty plausible all things considered.

You know what I hate? Not being able to make Tank Commanders able to go on super heavies. Why is Pask the best tank ace in IoM yet he only sticks to his shitty Leman Russ? Give us a named character who has the most amount of Titan kills in his super heavy. They removed all the named characters as it is.

>>54294970

And there's only one Adeptus Terra genevault. And it's in the same fucking place as the Emperor.

>>54294930

I hope you realize that the 160 point vulture actually kills more points of conscripts per turn than 160 points conscripts with FRFSRF will.

>>54294989
Any sector that has lost its chapter isn't going to have a surviving lord to steal the next one.

>>54294974

Where do you get 81?

>>54294962

>so 130 conscript a turn for 5 turn ?
...no?

>>54294996
can't you just collect gene-seed by killing a bunch of space marines, or does it not work like that

>>54294996
You need to check your lore, mate. There is geneseed vaults strategically placed around the Imperium because if a chapter goes extinct or needs more geneseed, say, against the Nids on the Eastern Fringe, it's a 6 month journey or some shit to get from Terra to Eastern Fringe on the fastest ships. So there are genevaults everywhere.

>>54294989

And yet an example of one doesn't exist. For over 10,000 years, in a million star systems. You'd think in over 10,000 years, with quintillions of people, and a million star systems, it would have happened already? Per your own retarded logic.

>>54295006

No?
That's not even close to correct, especially at 12" or less.

>>54294070
That's not true, they hang out with demons all the time

>>54295015

You can, but you don't have the means to store it or implant it or raise 1000 new marines for decades. I'm sure you would totally not be noticed slaying loyalist marines for 50-100+ years, collecting their geneseed, then mysteriously culling your own populations at an even greater rate than a marine chapter would trying to experiment with geneseed.

Totally wouldn't notice that at all. Despite the fact that the Badab War has happened over less.

>>54295006
heavy 40 S5 BS3+ = 27 hits = 18 wounds = 12 unsaved wounds
rapid fire 2 x 50 S3 BS5+ = 67 hits = 33 wounds = 22 unsaved wounds

conscripts win again

>>54295017
[citation needed]

I won't bother waiting for one, since you can't provide it anyway.

>>54295014
>kill less than 27 points of conscripts per turn.

26x3points

fielding 5 vultures.

your math, not mine

>>54294974
actually the hardest counter to conscripts are lascannon, assault cannons and multi-melta tarantulas, due to them ignoring conscripts and NOT BEING ABLE TO BE TIED UP IN MELEE
>>54294993
>they removed all the named characters as it is
how does it feel to actually have names characters, faction I play had 1 squatted entirely and the other got moved to inquisition so now we've got jack fucking shit

>>54294909
Z does

>>54294116
Whoops guess I'll have to shoot at it with one team of havocs and kill it in a single turn because it's visible from any point on the board. Super sick airplane bro.

Guess now everyone's worried about killing blobs of guardsmen.

>>54295043

Actually the heavy 40 is BS4+, so it's even more in the conscripts favor

>>54295043
67 hits = 33 wounds = 22 unsaved wounds
wait so conscripts wound on a 4+ and the vulture save is 5+?

>>54295046

>26x3points
Where does this figure come from? What are you talking about? 26 of what?

>>54295035
Didn't the Astral Claws remake the Tiger Claws during Badab. Huron declared himself governor of the sector. Does that count as a rogue Governor making his own marine chapter?

>>54294996

So? The Imperium manages to misplace entire sub sectors, you don't think they could have lost geneseed en route to its destination?

>>54295008

That's ridiculous, chapters are hyped up but in the end they're pretty expendable as far as fancier Imperial assets go.

In 30k marines would easily lose entire chapters worth of strength in single battles. They're certainly harder to come by in 40k but they're aren't exactly more powerful.

>>54295021

>it hasnt been done before so it cant ever happen

You might as well just say you don't like something that Laurie Goldberg didn't rubberstamp.

>>54295035

>hey we're going to make a new chapter in your sector, help them out and give them the supplies they need
>okay
>good goyim, do what I say...oh shi-

>>54295058
heh the one i cant order from.

>>54295072

Its not conscripts vs vulture in the second part, its conscripts vs other conscripts

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Plastic Kommandos. Screencap this.

>>54295060
People are looking for quick ways to remove hordes from objectives now that templates are gone.

>>54295100
?? still do not answer how those conscript will ever kill one of the 5 45"move Vulture.

>>54295045
Literally dozens of HH books state they set them up all over the place. Post HH they moved them to Terra. Having one that was forgotten about or assumed lost is not unknown. The fact there are several fluff pieces of Chaos fiddling with geneseed found in vaults, or Nids eating it, proves this.

>>54294989
a lot of the lore talks about stuff, at least in the heresy days, of shit like a standard suit of marine power-armour and weapons, not to mention the gene-seed, cost some planets yearly incomes

How long til we get individual Primaris squads?

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>>54294116
>heavy 40
It's funny because pic releated can be technically legal now

>>54295106
In my experience the best way to remove a blob from an objective is to shoot at them until they die.

>>54295119

Okay, but that wasn't the subject being discussed by that post, so why should it be answered in that post?

Reminder, IA:Xenos FAQ probably only days away.
Wednesday morning they answered saying the FAQ was "very soon".

That will be a really fun one to watch

>>54295085
This is Carnac. Iggnore his posts and move on.

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I started highlighting and black lining and quickly realized my brushes did not hold up in the move and made some large blunders. Oh well, test model. Attached is the colour I'm experimenting with for my alpha Legion loyalists.

White helmets and silver shoulder pad trim next. Opinions on bolter casing colour?

I may do a less Grey blue for my next test, but this muted turquoise blue is growing on me.

>>54295132
Which is fine, unless you've geared up all your shooty units with lascannons and plasma and other shit really meant for bigger things

>>54295119
He's just saying that mathematically, the Conscripts are more efficient at killing other Conscripts than your Vulture would be. Seems to me like they'd almost never be able to kill off a Vulture itself with its range and their shitty movement.

>>54295119
the conscripts aren't going to kill the vulture, they're just going to sit on an objective and strafe everything that isn't a vehicle

the poster >>54295006 argued that the vulture was better at killing conscripts than conscripts are at killing conscripts

>>54295128

Yeah you're gonna have to cite that dumb fucking /tg/ meme canon.

>>54295106

It was really a bad idea to go with 'Number of dudes' being the deciding factor for objectives. They really should have gone with 'Points of units'.

Either that or make commissars not just 'A single dude.'. Reducing it to say 1 dude of every 3 you'd have lost would still make it a serious gain. Sometimes it takes more than a single execution to quell the panic.

>>54295146
That's why you take missile launchers.

>>54295148

The clear picture is that the stormlord with 20 mortar teams is actually the best conscript mower.

Anyone got any tips for making bane wolfs?

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>>54295138
This better be faqqing fixed

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Has anyone run Shadow Spectres in 8th Edition yet? If so, does anyone have any recommended and/or optimal squad sizes for them?

I would like to put in an order for Shadow Spectres to Miranda Irene, and I need to figure out how many sets I should order, as well as how many exarch to go with them.

>>54295170

They already fixed that bro. It can shoot them but at a -1 to hit penalty.

>>54295175
Thought the left arm was a tit

>>54295170

Supposedly it gets a special ability, can fire Macro weapons normally regardless of movement, but can't fire any other guns.

But yeah, the two latter indices were a mess and it'll be fun reading their errata compilations

>>54295149
i cant, sorry. ive read dozens of the books, and its just a concept i have. it could be incorrect. probably because its from the HH books it was when mars had a much more stringent monopoly on producing marine gear because all the forgeworlds were lost. if in 40k there are more forgeworlds, it makes sense theyd be cheaper.

still, as far as i know only the admech can actually produce marine gear. a planetary governor of some shitty world might have trouble acquiring anything that a forge-owning adeptus of the mechanicum might consider worthy enough of trading for

>>54295130
how so ?

>>54295161

Why is IG shit always so broken with major new releases?
They were OP as fuck in 3ed, where guardsmen could stand out in the open and easily out shoot space marines, which took 2 codexes for them to fix.
Then 5ed broke them again, and it took years of power creep without them being buffed for them to just be "above average tier"
Now 8ed is out, and half the discussion is about which broken cheesy IG unit beats the other.

>>54295142
Still looks like Sons of Horus.
>still posting outside of /wip/

>>54295170
already fixed

>>54295161
>stormlord with 20 mortar teams
>not a tigershark with 14 gun drones
gun drones statistically outperform mortar teams and the tigershark can dump out 24 extra shots per turn
conscript rape indeed
>>54295197
also
>can fire macro weapons but can't fire other weapons
then why the fuck am I paying for those other weapons, that some real stupid ass bullshit.
May as well take a normal tigershark with 2 railguns for 4 S10 Ap-4 shots in pretty much any situation unless there's a lord of war in which case take a damn tau'nar instead. Fuck me that's some fucking bullshit

>>54295198

Marine wargear is expensive and hard to make but its still no where on the same scale as the Mechanicus making starships.

If anything in 40k their production ability has only gone down, but the only things marine chapters in good standing tend to lack for are things they hardly make anymore like terminator armor and relics.

more than a yearly tithe is absurd unless that planet has literally 5 people on it.

>>54295209

Because nobody actually runs 500 conscripts or 100 mortar teams.

>>54295224
Still dies to devs because it's visible from anywhere on the table.

>>54295224
>that fucking rant

you know the big tigershark will be getting a new models with 6 weapon option and new rule in the next IA out this summer, right ?

>>54295209

I think IG players might actually be whinier than the more populous marine kiddies who people unfairly think are the whiniest.
GW then overcorrects of course, and there you have it

>>54295072
They're both shooting at conscripts in that model.

>>54295224

>then why the fuck am I paying for those other weapons, that some real stupid ass bullshit.

So that you're not forced to just pop 1.11 marines per turn if your opponent doesn't have any titanic or vehicles.

>>54295249

GW has a long history of this shit though.
And even if you don't field 5000000 conscripts, 1 or 2 units are still very good.
AND if you're daft enough to use power points, those fuckers are equal to 2.4 ppm

>>54295219

People in this thread helped me. I don't see why it's so bad to post here. I plan to give updates in both threads. Sorry if it bothers you.

I actually appreciate you thinking they look like sons of horus. I just want non metallic armor alpha Legion.

>>54295278

1 blob of 50 conscripts isn't broken though, its just a pretty damn good tarpit and objective holder. Its still completely killable by a normal army and wont actually put out all that much damage in the big picture.

Is 2000 points like 1500 points in 7E?

>>54295292
yes

>>54294227
After Fulgrim for Thor vs Jormungand action

>>54295292
Yeah. Games are so much faster and there are so many larger units now that 2000 points is like a 2-2.5 hour game. It's honestly pretty great how much the experience has improved.

>>54295292
Yes, seemed pretty common for everyone to find their most recent list going up at least 25% in point cost with 8e's prices

Either everyone gets used to the lower model count or 2500 will become the new standard match limit

>>54295305
What would be amazing is if Fulgrim is the one who finds a way to bring him out of the warp just to fight him

>>54295274
>bring the AX-1-0 to a game where my opponent doesn't have any titanic or vehicles
Nigga you fucking retarded as fuck
>>54295251
Fucking Bullshit, stuck with only a 5++ and lost vehicle systems as well
>>54295255
It fucking better be getting some new models
I'm only fucking ranting since I do not like any of the tau suits above riptide size from both fluff and aesthetic and was hoping the AX-1-0 would finally be good enough to run, turns out it's still dogshit since some autistic cuntface at FW doesn't know how to write a fucking index.
Goddam this is why I've started buying fucking recasts, because FW can't even be bothered to do their fucking job

>>54295104
Oh boy, another completely out of context bit that we wont see the rest of for 6-12 months

GW can fuck off with that rumor engine bullshit, its pointless

>>54295340
Cry about it xenos trash, enjoy spending all that money on a shit army

>>54295340

>Nigga you fucking retarded as fuck

So are you only going to take it in apocalypse games or are you just a list tailoring asshole?

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Put this list together, having not had the chance to play any games of 8th edition yet would like some input on how well this would work and how I could improve it.

Space Wolves
++SpearHead Detachment [1999/2000pts]++

+HQ+
Wolf Guard Battle Leader [98pts]
Frost Axe, Rune Armor, Storm Shield

Iron Priest [95pts]
Boltgun, ServoArm, Thunderhammer

+Elites+
Venerable Dreadnought [147pts]
Plasma Cannon/Great Claw w/ Storm Bolter

Dreadnought [133pts]
Assault Cannon/DCCW w/ Storm Bolter

+Troops+
Grey Hunters x9 [225pts]
Wolf Guard w/ Combi Melta, Powerfist
x2 meltagun, wolf standard

Grey Hunters x9 [183pts]
Wolf Guard w/ Combi Plasma
x2 Plasmagun

+Dedicated Transport+
Rhino [72pts]

+Heavy Support+
Long Fangs [177pts]
x2 lascannon, x2 missile launcher, storm bolter

Relic Leviathan Dreadnought [331pts]
Storm Cannon, Siege Claw w/ meltagun, x2 heavy flamer

Land Raider Crusader [306pts]
Multi melta

Relic Deredeo Dreadnought [232pts]
Anvillus Autocannon Array, Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin Heavy Bolter

>>54294252
>people starts new armies due new edition
>get surprised models are still unpainted
>tau players with one year or more still haven't painted his shit
>HURRR DURRR no one paints now HURRR
Follow >>54294262 recommendation

>>54295352
This, desu senpai.

>>54295104
How do you extrapolate Kommandos from that? Orks use stickbombs, not frag grenades

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>>54295340
its gucking getting a fucking new model you fucking fucker.
will be fucking OP as fucking fuck

>>54295356
It's a pretty simple rule
I don't bring a lord of war unless you do
I still count tigersharks as lords of war
>>54295352
>tfw I play an imperium army as my secondary army
welp, looks like it's time to take those 9 flyers off the shelf for the next 2000 point tourney

>>54295395
Enjoy losing three of them a turn while your opponent smirks at you across the table

>>54295382
that's the standard tigershark, not the AX-1-0
nice one cunt

>>54295370
the worst unpaintes offenders are guard player.
literraly only saw 1 guard player with more than a single painted unit.
it was at a tournament and it was more black primer with """painted""" faces and green helmet than anything else

>>54295340

>turns out it's still dogshit since some autistic cuntface at FW doesn't know how to write a fucking index.

It does 7.8 wounds on average to literally anything that doesn't have an invulnerable save; land raiders, leman russes, whatever.

It does 15.55 against anything with titanic.

>>54295368
Damn now I wanna make a dread model like that.

>>54294337
People likes to actually play the game anon

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How disappointing

>>54295417
Its an official model son, got one coming in the mail really looking forward to getting it assembled and painted

>>54295436
How much are they? I might snag one if I've got the cash.

>>54295427
A Marine CAPTAIN without a melee weapon by default?
What's this quirky nonsense

>>54295412
>losing 3 of them a turn
now why would that be, flyers are still good in 8th, and 6 of those are/can be vultures
>>54295416
yeah but you have to choose between firing the main gun or the other weapons, making the secondaries dead weights and seekers the most useless purchase on them imaginable in the history of 40k

>>54295274

Man, imagine shooting that railgun at a dude.
Thing kill titans, bet the projectile is as big as a marine. That marine would in an instant become part of the shot as it goes zooming into something else.

>>54295382
Will it though?
Does it replace the old Sharks or is it a new variant?

>>54295340
By the numbers it isn't as ridiculous as broken things like the pylon

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>>54295427

>disappointing

>its literally just a normal captain with +1W, +1A and a different gun for +13 points

Once the codex comes out he'll be able to take a thunder hammer instead

>>54295444
Its a forgeworld model, with weapons i think it comes to around 85 American dollarydoos

Look for a recaster if you want to not pay out the nose

>>54295447
>Will it though?
>Does it replace the old Sharks or is it a new variant
the old mold was broken 2 years ago.
tigershark is literraly OOP

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Fellow Krieg niggers - is there a reason not to run all grenadiers as opposed to regular guardsmen? The hot shot lasguns do not have gets hot and are 18' as opposed to 24' and are of course -2

Check my first list for 8th edition, running power levels with my brother to try it out

World Eaters Detachment
Battalion
>HQ: Kharn the Betrayer
PL 9
>HQ: Skulltaker
PL 5

>Troops:
-Berzerkers x9: Chainaxes instead of chainswords
+Rhino w combi-plas
PL 14
-Berzerkers x9: Chainaxes instead of Chainswords
+Rhino w combi-plas
PL 14
-Berzerkers x10: Chainaxes instead of Chainswords
+Rhino w combi-plas
PL14
-Berzerkers x10: Chainaxes blah blah
+Rhino w combi-plas
PL 14
-Chaos Space Marines x5: w/Heavy Bolter and Combi-Plas
PL 5

>Elites:
-Helbrute w/Power Scourge and Twin Heavy Bolter
PL 8
-Helbrute w/Power Scourge and Twin Heavy Bolter
PL 8
-Helbrute w/Power Scourge and Twin Heavy Bolter
PL8

Thoughts? Criticism? I'm thinking about going rifle Brutes next time instead, since mostly my Helbrutes just wandered around shooting at shit anyways.

>>54295447
>is it a new variant
it's the non AX-10 tigershark, with 2 barracuda AX-5-2 primaries and a base cost of 423 or something like that
it's not that it isn't op, it's that you have to choose between firing the main guns or the secondaries, which makes no sense since at least the missile pods are self guiding making them unaffected by the main weapons firing in fluff sense, that and seekers being self contained as well is just retarded in FWs parts

>>54295459
Radical

>>54295447

Its just a replacement for the old model, like the Thunderhawk or Rogue Trader Land Raider Prometheus.

>>54295427
> disappointing
Why ? He's just a captain, not a fucking Chapter Master.

>>54295460

I know that.
But here is a fighter-bomber variant and a titan killer variant.
Does the new one let you build it as one of them or is it a new variant with new options?

>>54295471

FW gave out numbers despite no release date yet?

>>54294506
AP-2

>>54295059
What can a single team of Havocs take that will let them kill a 14W model with -1 to hit in a single turn?

Any ork codex predictions?

Evil Suns get extra movement and always attack first unless dealing with special rules that allow first turn in combat.

>>54295467
Blood/10. Shootbroots are indeed more efficient. Consider havocs with autocannons as well for a more oldkhorne feel.

>>54295466

>Fellow Krieg niggers - is there a reason not to run all grenadiers as opposed to regular guardsmen?

They cost nearly twice as much as a normal krieger.

They also only get 2 special weapons for 10 of them as opposed to scions who get 4.

They're plenty good and if you wanted to make a whole army out of them you could, but regular kriegers are fine too

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>>54295471
>fielding something else than suits and drones

kys, I'm sure you even let the ethereals command you faggot

>>54295497
>Evil Sunz are now elves

>>54295508
Thanks. I have some Iron Warriors marines sitting around that might make for good Havoc proxies in casual games.

>>54295490
>it's impossible to roll 4+, 4+ and 5+!
And this is why nobody gives a fuck about mathhammer. Shit happens all the time.

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had a 2000 pt game today
>dark eldar vs GSC
>playing maelstrom
>get to go first
>get the objective to clear the center of the map
>get first blood killing one of his goliath transports and one of his sentinels
>his turn, he ambushes...I think 9 units
>fails all but 2 of his assaults
>my turn, wipe out the majority of his ambushed units
>he ambushed a squad of 20 purestrains with a patriarch
>my turn, assault into the patriarchs, murder 19/20
>his patriarch is nearby to pass the leadership
>the singular genestealer survives 2 talos strikes
>his turn, he wipes out my hellions, then calls it
I would have felt worse, but it was the same guy who taught me how to play in 7E and consistently slapped my shit with his necrons and guard back in 7E

hellions continue to kick ass, taloses continue to super DUPER underperform.

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>>54295485
>fw gave out numbers despite no release
it's in index xenos from FW on next to the tigershark AX-1-0
>>54295517
>tfw run my farsight army with flyers
Bruh farsight loves it when the Barracuda AX-1-0 comes down for Mont'ka and fucks up a leman russ

>>54295467
I will say that though I like riflebrutes too, power scourge is a mean motherfucker. Might not be worth it to bring 3 of them, but almost anything you put them on will dissolve.

>>54295541

We're talking about the unreleased Shark, the upcoming one. Not the bomber variant.

>>54295517

Everyone loves the air support though
Except the bystanders
big meme image, I'll just link it
http://imgur.com/vdW6N0p

>>54295537
Kind of a leftover from my KDK days. Makes a lot mrore sense in bigger games when I break out the Bloodcrushers.

>>54295528
It's just as possible to roll a 2, 2, and a 3. Then you have to wound it, then they have to fail their saves, then you have to not roll shit damage.

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Converting my Captain lightly. Dude is huge

>>54295451
>Primaris
>having wargear options
I'm shocked he can take a sword.

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is he worth 610 points ?

>>54295538
Sounds like fun. I worry about just how much of my GSC army to hold for ambushes. Hope I fair better than your opponent, when I finally take them into battle.

>>54295550
Yeah the one Helbrute that got into close combat ripped a squad of warriors to pieces. Maybe take one cc Brute and two rifle Brutes?

>>54295589
No, but he's fucking cool so get him.

>>54295590
to be fair, he himself acknowledged he ran a ramshackle army solely to get a battalion detachment for the +9 CP.

>>54295602
i already have cor'bax, i was just gonna proxy him because big nasty nurgle demons kind of all look the same.

>>54295574
It's just 14 damage. You can roll that on 3 dice, let alone 4. Will you roll it every time? No. Will it happen? Definitely.

>>54295598
I was thinking that myself, probably a good balanced option or maybe two CC and one rifle if you are likely to need a lot of melee coverage.

What unit do you wish your army could take, anons?

Personally I would kill to get Admech Goliath trucks. Nice cheap, light transport with a decent gun and enough capacity to hold a full Skittle squad. Also really sexy model. Does it have fire points in 8e?

>>54295631
no

as for units...I'm considering picking up the Visarch, to convert it to Drazhar.

>>54295615
In that case probably not. He's essentially a gross, bloated lazor magnet in practice, unless you can summon him into minimal range or otherwise Shanghai his ass into melee.

>>54295631
Probably not, hardly anything has fire points anymore, not even stuff like Rhinos

>>54295631

Stonecrusher Carnifex.

>>54295616
It can happen, but never reliably enough that you could consider the havocs any sort of good counter.

>>54295589

Aw did he lose the ability to eat things

>>54295631
3e jetbike Archons/Dracons

>>54295652
lol you clearly don't play enough 40k. Everyone who's played any amount of 8th edition knows how fragile vehicles are. Not as fragile as they used to be, but still fragile as shit, especially when they are visible from any point on the table.

>>54295208
The thing have 20 auto cannons for a total of 40 shots, I mean it would be count as but anyway

>>54295667
Don't have any issue keeping my vehicles alive. Hell, two weeks ago my opponent had a rhino that ate 4 melta shots because of shit rolling.

>>54295631

Like make up units to fill a certain role or units from other factions you cannot use at all?

>>54295679
That's funny, now you're the one citing a long shot as being representative of what will likely happen in games

Go catch some more games of 40k and stop acting cunty on the internet

>>54295683
Spoiled gits, I only want units from my own faction that don't exist anymore for some raisin.

>>54295692
I play literally every week, even discounting long shots my vehicles regularly survive until the end of games. Even T6 vehicles tend to survive until turn 3 or 4. I'm not saying long shots are representative of what will likely happen in a game, but if you're going to base your argument around the fact that something is possible then I'm going to mention that the opposite is just as likely.

You're hardly one to tell people to stop acting cunty on the internet.