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EDH/Commander General - New Hotness Edition

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RESOURCES

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

CARD SEARCH

>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
http://magiccards.info/

Thread Question:
Everyone seems to love the buggods, so what if anything will you do to stand out from the sea of them coming soon to a LGS/kitchen table near you?
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>>54121118
I'm going to cosplay as Jeff Goldblum while playing with them.
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I will use Teysa to exile bug gods
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>>54121170
And you could do it again with dinosaurs. Clever girl...
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>>54121118
>Thread question

Nothing. We have a general rule at the lgs: one person per commander. As soon as Locus God was spoiled, I claimed it. A few people were disappointed, but the guy who wanted to build Niv-Mizzet, but couldn't because I had it, was really excited. I'll probably play Locus for about two months before switching to something else and let someone else have a go.
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Will daxos the returned ever become playable? How do you even ramp in wb?
How much of your deck should be enchants?
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>tfw no predator flagship vehicle
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Haha, you seemed to have forgotten to include the discord info, OP.

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

It is a simple mistake so don't beat yourself up about it.
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>>54121118

>No Discord in the OP

Can you please just put it back in, it's all I have. I have never achieved anything in my life, I am fat balding and 5 foot 6 inches with a penis so small that I have to fish under my sack to find it. That Discord is all I have, and when you don't put it in the OP it makes me so angry seeing my legacy swept away by your refusal to pander to my autism! Please just put it back in so I can stop rage eating pizza rolls and get back to the serious business of planning my next online EDH game because I am too much of a fucking failure to go outside and play in person.
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>>54121253
White has ok ramp but blaxos is just kinda shitty. Hes weak to boardwipes and doesnt synergise with most strategies that you would want to do in black or white.
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/t-o-x-i-c/

This Hapatra list has been working pretty well for me, but there's still parts of the deck that feel clunky. For instance, should I cut out either the Protean Hulk or Necrotic Ooze combos? With the way the deck currently is, it feels like I'm not efficiently investing enough of the deck into either of them.

>Everyone seems to love the buggods, so what if anything will you do to stand out from the sea of them coming soon to a LGS/kitchen table near you?
Pic related is my buggod.
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Reposting my request:
I need things like council dilemma and will of the council, anything that could benefit me via Brago's Representative and Ballot Broker.

And adding:
Is there anything I can reanimate with Alesha that makes token in Mardu?
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>>54121273
>tfw O-Kagachi finally gets a card and it's shit
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>>54121253
>How do you even ramp in wb?

By using blue ramp spells :^)
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>>54121313
I gotchu
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[vote]
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>>54121301
>all this sperging to justify camping out the previous thread just so he could sneak in an OP right when the last thread expired

Lighten up, OP. It's only cardboard.
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>>54121350
Meant white black sorry
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>>54121253
Daxos needs to not have an activation cost, do his thing once per turn, and make multiple small spirits instead of single big ones.
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>>54121350
B and U are not the same thing, anon.
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>>54121304
I couldn't find shit for white ramp. That broken af weathered wayfarer is in mine but I probably need more honestly
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>>54121355
>http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[vote]

DeVOTEd Crop Mate and DeVOTEd Druid weren't ecxactly what i was looking for.
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>>54121307
>spider
>bug

But is this some pauper commander shit? I actually really like this, I haven't perused the full spoilers much yet.
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>>54121386
>>54121390

fuck, i read that as daxos of meletis
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>>54121276
Can you please get a trip so i can filter you out? Thank you very much
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>>54121429
No, it's just the new spice for Hapatra.
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>>54121417
>Kor Cartographer
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>>54121253
>Will daxos the returned ever become playable?
No

>How do you even ramp in wb?
Knight of the White Orchid, Land Tax, Tithe, Gift of Estates, Oath of Lieges
You'll only ever keep parity with other players, but if you make it up with rocks you should do OK
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>>54121417
Land Tax, Tithe, and Knight of the White Orchid are often used, but no, white's far from a great ramp color.
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>>54121417
knight if the white orchid, oreskos explorer, land tax and endless horizons with artifacts do a pretty good job ramping for me. the knight/oresko is great with flicker/suntitan because the green player will always be ahead of you and eveyone that goes before you means more chances to get plains.
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>>54121253
I don't ramp much, I just try to keep a low curve.
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>>54121511
>8 is ashen rider
>7 is elesh norn
>0 is mana crypt
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>>54121534
Right on 8 and 7, 0 is actually Hangarback Walker.
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>>54121511
That's a nice curve, anon...

Karlov? I'd guess that gives you something to do on turn 2, hence why you have more cards in your 3cmc slot then 2cmc
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>>54121575
Why though
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>>54121575
>hangarback
what are you doing with him might I ask?
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>>54121447
>If I have to see "Discord" as a result when I Ctrl+F in one more thread I am going to have a meltdown.
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Help me decide on what meme to go for once they release:
Dinosaurs in EDH and Pirates in Standard or Pirates in EDH and Dinosaurs in Standard.
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>>54121511
>>54121575
>Hangarback Walker
>A deck that wants disposable creatures and also multiple attackers

Ravos and Tymna.
2nd Guess is Ayli.
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>>54121085

Maralen can kind of be used at the 75% level. She's less stable but more fun than Zombie Sidisi because as well as "Tutor Combo GG" she's also a rules-changer you can abuse in a control shell. She just REALLY needs to be psychotically well-defended because otherwise she is going to catch death well before you untap with her.

It's a pity she can't be in the command zone in blue-black becausei t would be really funny to abuse Phasing with her (Time and Tide on a stick?)
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How do planeswalkers shift planes? Do they just vibrate themselves into another plane or do they have a portalgun type of weapon?
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>>54121645
Getting all uppity, are we? I asked nicely, anon, can you get a trip please?
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>>54121709
I'd say Standard Pirates just because dinosaur EDH is more predictable with the few cards we already know. Ignoring Beckett's ability, it's harder to see exactly what gameplan you'll get out of pirates in EDH yet.
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>>54121753
They concentrate on the fabrics of the reality they are in and twist them around kind of like bungie jumping.
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>>54120917 #
You forgot the best gritty survivor waifu. Being a boy never stopped anyone from being the best girl.
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>>54121599
Tymna/Ravos (mostly Tymna desu)

>>54121601
>>54121618
Part of my goal for the deck was to get cheap fliers out early game to keep a stream of card draw via Tymna's effect. The other part of the concept was to make an aristocrats style deck. At one point, I tried out Doomed Traveler with the idea that he can get in for attacks early, and if he's chumped and dies, the flying token will get in for attacks and help me draw cards the next turn. Doomed Traveler honestly overperformed in this function, and I later added Hangarback for the same reasons, albeit Hangarback has a stronger late game. It might sound strange on paper, but the strategy has worked pretty well in game.
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>>54121307
>Flourishing Defenses
>Parallel Lives
I'm erect. Didn't even consider Parallel Lives

Necromantic Ooze has 10 possible targets but I'll admit that Devoted Druid > Channeler Initiate is a slick fucking combo.

I don't know what you mean with the Protean Hulk, with the number of green tutors you have I assume you're just going to fish out your favorite infinite for the win

Looks like a tight list, it's got answers, it's got win variation, I don't know what to tell you man.
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>>54121786
so they vibrate like radical larry?
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>>54121817
They have to. Guys like Jace and Gideon are ALL business ALL the time.
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>>54121118
If The Locust God dies, and is returned to my command zone, will he return to my hand from the command zone during the next end step?
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>>54121894
I believe so
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>>54121894
No. Why would you send him back to the command zone anyways though?
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>>54121907
>>54121894
Oh wait nevermind, i just remember that "dying" is the specific act of going from the battlefield to the graveyrd, so no it doesn't work from the command zone because it has to go specifically to the graveyard to die
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>>54121775
>it's harder to see exactly what gameplan you'll get out of pirates in EDH yet.
Probably the same thing Pirates did before they added the Act of Treason color and tribal support.
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>>54121753
It differs between each Walker.
>The act itself differs from planeswalker to planeswalker, because each planeswalker's identity is an essential part of the ability. For one planeswalker, a shamanistic ritual must be performed. For another, planeswalking is the culmination of a long, dreamlike trance. The details of a given planeswalker's method are dependent on who they are, how much of the Multiverse they have seen, and perhaps most importantly, what color(s) of mana they can wield.

Here's a pretty explicit example:
>Icy took a step backward, and the air froze heavily around him as globules of ice formed suspended in the space behind him. The globules reflected a different place than the one they were in—a white, icy landscape covered in drifting snow. The globules of ice grew and circled around Icy.

>Garruk held up a hand. "A question. How long does it take you to planeswalk?"

>Icy's eyes widened, and his mouth opened as his hands raised up. Garruk gripped his axe, pivoted, and took Icy's head off at the neck, just as the globules had begun forming into a single icy portal. Instead, the globules shattered, and immediately melted into water at Garruk's feet. Icy's body slumped lifeless to the ground, his head rolling to the side, its blue orbs gray and still.

>"Too long, it looks like."

One explicit rule is that the Planeswalker symbol always appears in some facet. Omniscience is depicting Jace planeswalking.
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>>54121774
Come into the discord and we can discuss what trip is going to be.
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>>54121334
I like O-Kagachi because the card is on flavor, even if it isn't super powerful. He exiles instead of destroys, which is really thematic what with kamigawa having that whole thing about immortality/indistrucable, and divinity counters, and That Which Was Taken.
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I really want to make a scarab god deck since hes the best looking UB commander
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>>54121939
Never, just name yourself discordfag
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>Really want to make Jalira
>Don't want to do Mono-U
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>>54121921
What if I have 7 cards in my hand and I don't want to mill something?
But honestly, I'm just asking because the rule didn't say 'may,' and I was thinking about MTGO misclicks.
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>>54121951
Yeah, Scarab God's a boss. I've been brewing him and am feeling good about a bounce/discard/mill engine with a side of land screwage, seasoned to taste with zombie tribal, deserts, and saboteurs.
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>>54121118
Everyone seems to love the buggods, so what if anything will you do to stand out from the sea of them coming soon to a LGS/kitchen table near you?

Instead of some retarded zombie-mill rehash, I'll be playing Dimir control value, using Eldrazi processors to reanimate the same creature multiple times after I counter/kill it.
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>>54121930
*planeswalks behind you*
nothing personnel kid
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Best colors for Chaos? Don't really want to do Izzet, but Temur or Jeskai sounds fine
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>>54122023
Rakdos
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>>54121998
>sing Eldrazi processors to reanimate the same creature multiple times after I counter/kill it.
Are you me?
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>>54121118
will use whatever pic or card of dwayne johnson for scorpion god. also use krenko and blowfly infestation as a draw engine.
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>discord fags still BTFO that the URL was changed to 4F4Gz for like a week before anyone noticed
Ah, never change, you salty stupid bastards.
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>>54121753
Here's Nahiri's internal monologue of what Planeswalking feels like. Keep in mind that she's also experiencing the effects of the Mending for the first time.

>She pushed against the walls of the world, experimentally, and tried to move in that unreal direction only Planeswalkers could sense. She felt the walls of the world around her—she was still a Planeswalker, whatever had happened to her body—but as she probed them, those walls proved far firmer than she remembered. They had been a soap bubble; now they were a barrier that would take will and time to overcome. Was she so diminished?

>But no. No. She pushed, the way she always had. The problem wasn't strength. The walls really were higher, thicker. The Blind Eternities were less connected to this place than they had been when she arrived. The shape of the universe had changed, while she fell. She could feel it.

>She was still a Planeswalker. Whatever that meant.

>With effort, she cast herself into the Blind Eternities. They tore at her, assailed her, just as they always had. Disoriented as she was, there was only one plane she could possibly have reached—the one he would expect her to run to, if he were looking. But there was no helping that.
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>>54121940
The flavor and mechanics work, but it really doesn't embody the sense of power or fear that it deserves. It's a 6/6 for 6. The one card it was shown on could exile an enter board state. It should be a 7/7 or have trample AT THE LEAST so that it could exile things more reliably.

It should fit fine in the Kamigawa cube I built, as there is a supported 5-color theme for hondens and the legendary genju. But trading with one of the spirit dragons (who then give a dying benefit) will feel awful.
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>>54121930
>One explicit rule is that the Planeswalker symbol always appears in some facet. Omniscience is depicting Jace planeswalking
Wow. I only now realize that the thing Jace is walking on in Omnicience looks like a Planeswalker Symbol.
I feel dumb.
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>>54122056
It does have Trample. Flying too. There's very little short of hard removal that's gonna stop him from getting in at least 1 point of damage.
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>>54121417
Don't try to ramp. Instead, slow everyone else down
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>>54122095
Thanks, I did miss that.

I'll try making a spirit deck for O-Kagachi sometime. I already have a 5-color commander I that I don't like playing often because it's so control-heavy, maybe I can convert it over. It's probably going to suck ass though.
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>>54121998
>>54122031
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>>54122077
It represents both a handprint, a unique mark of the multiverse acknowledging the act of walking, and five divergent paths spread out in front of the walker.
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>>54121253
Black has a bunch of Ramp, which shouldn't lose too much effectiveness if you use a good selection of dual lands. Shit like Cryp Ghast, Liliana of the Dark Realms, Cabal Coffers, and all of Black's other mana-doubling effects are your friend.
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I built a budget Queen Marchesa from the schratch of my Saskia precon, mind giving some advice /edh/?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-07-17-queen-marchesa/
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>>54122115
I like it. I run silent arbiter so I don't get focused down (so my beefy tokens can tank). Any other suggestions for hidden tech?
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>>54121930
>>54122183
>One explicit rule is that the Planeswalker symbol always appears in some facet.
>Omniscience is depicting Jace planeswalking.
Where are these stated?
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>>54121301
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>>54121929
Be fabulous?
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>>54122115
Nigga you evil
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>>54121307
>Not Rakdos or monoblack so it can be with Scorpion God EDH

It would have been more spicy on it.
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>>54121929
I just noticed now
>his
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>>54121118
>Thread Question
STOMP FUCKING BUGS WITH MY FAT ASS
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>>54122266
Although they get to see what you tutor, the Dimir Transmute cards are breddy gud. Dimir House Guard in particular can be returned to hand easily with phyrexian reclamation to fetch board wipes, replenish, anointed procession,graveborn muse, Endless Ranks of the Dead, Leylines, Filth, Kalitas, Debt to the Deathless
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>>54122315
>No -1/-1 Jund Commander to bring Hapatra and Scorp God together

>No Jund Landfall deck to bring Gitrog and Borbygamos together
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>>54122443
>there will never be a jund commander not focused on saccing shit
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>>54122443
>No Jund Landfall deck to bring Gitrog and Angry Omnath together

ftfy
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>>54122271
Literally first result for "Planeswalker symbol" on Google.
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>>54122271
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/whats-symbol-2009-06-10
>whenever a planeswalker leaves a plane, this mark will appear in some way, as though the planar fabric has metaphysically acknowledged the act.
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>>54122479
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>>54122482
>Gitrog
>Angry Omnath
>Titania
The circle is complete
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>>54122479
What am I?
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>>54122503
I said NOT focused on saccing
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>>54122531
A one way ticket to lose the game
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>>54122482
>Angry Omnath
>Not Pissed Borby
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>>54122496
>>54122498
Thanks
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>>54122541
my bad
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>>54122513
You speak madness.
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>>54122345
VERY FAST TREEFOLK RUNNIGN AT INCREDIVLE HIHG SPEED
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>>54122479
Why don't you just waifu a bee like a regular person?
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>>54121645
>if people dont shill my discord i am going to have a melt down

(you)
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>>54122594
She has some nice alters, i'll give you that
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>>54122479
Existence is pain.
>>54122482
Why not all three?
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/saved-cards-1/
hey everyone, check out this list of interesting cards I made. Feel free to add suggestions
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>>54122724
Fun fact, she's not on the Reserve List, so they could reprint her with new art if someone with a bee fetish ends up in R&D.
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>>54122774
That sure is a list of cards, anon!
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>there will never be a non-combat-focused Boros commander
and no, Depala doesn't count
Life is suffering for us Boros bros.
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>>54122826
Take it as a challenge anon. A true member of the Legion doesn't let some measly Color Pie stop them from having fun. Make your opponents dread the combat step!

God I wish this guy were just a little bit cheaper to cast.
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>>54122577
FAST BUG STOMPING
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>>54122826
Technically Avacyn.
Legitimately Brion.
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>>54122172
I see I'm with similar minds. Mine has a suite of clones as well
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>>54122183
That is a handprint, it is NOT the planeswalker symbol.REEEEEEE

The Cheese Stands Alone is from before the current planeswalker newfaggotry.
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>>54123310
Read the article in >>54122498. They used it to foreshadow the Planeswalker symbol.

Nothing you hold dear is sacred.
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I want to play big fat eldrazi, who do i choose aa a commander?
Selvala
Kruphix
Animar

I don't want to include infinite combos though
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I'm gonna hit them with the best blue removal there is.
Also, I'm gonna put the Locust God in an Arjun deck.
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>>54123361
Rakdos, Lord of Riots or Riot!
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>>54123361
How is this a question? Animar
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>>54122885
H-he's fast...!!!>>54122885
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>>54123361
Kozilek
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>>54123394
Is he viable without going infinite though? All i see is infinite combo builds
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>>54123415
I don't the amount of money for all those expensive rocks
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>>54123416
He makes eldrazi cheaper just by existing on the battlefield and casting creatures. How the fuck do you only see him going infinite? If you dont want to play Animar because hes too mainstream or something just say it, but if thats not the case theres 0 reason to play any of the other two over him.
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>>54123361
Rakdos LoR is amazing at cheating out the first couple Eldrazi
Animar lets you storm out Eldrazi if you build him up right but you'll get totally reset if he eats StP
Kruphix doesn't actually help you, per say, but he is a guarenteed upwelling effect
Fuck Selvala.
Jhoira will do it.
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>>54123446
The decks i saw online were all about casting the same creatures infinite times with cloudstone curio or by bouncing them in other ways. If you say it's viable without going infinite and just casting creatures than i'm sold. Do you have any spicy tech or suggestions on how to build him?
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>>54123456
>Animar
>dying to Swords
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>>54123456
Animar has pro white and black aka immune to most removal
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>>54123361
>big
>fat
>eldrazi
Flip Nissa

Good flavor fit, too
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Why are almost all the Eldrazi processors so shit?
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>>54123361
jhiora
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I'm facing a dilemma

Which kind of deck would you prefer?

>consistent toolbox deck that is powerful and can answer threats with ease, and can goof around for most of the game because of that

or

>a value play deck that is a lot more random that makes it weaker, but also has more variety thanks to the randomness, and is pretty goofy even when piloted to win

Both of them seem fun to me in their own ways. I just can't decide whether I hate inconsistency more than I love variety
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>>54123626
to clarify i've tested both decks on xmage a bit, so i know how both of them play, i just can't decide which one to buy cards for in paper
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>>54123626
Do you have the list for us to look at?
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>>54123361
Ayli
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>>54123626
Latter sounds more fun, former might be preferable if you're playing in a high power environment.
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>>54123688
Any good yet flavorful Ayli lists out there?
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>>54123626
personally i would go with the second one but i also dont actively try to win most EDH games
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>>54123678
I think I posted both decks a couple of days ago but here they are again

random value plays
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dead-investments/

consistent answer plays
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-bullshit-2/

>>54123727
Yeah I'm not quite sure. My meta has been fairly weak in the past but people are starting to power up their decks. We've moved from a 70% meta to a 80% meta, basically, and you can no longer expect to fuck around doing nothing for the first 5-7 turns anymore. So I kinda want to build the toolbox deck simply because it does a better job at defending itself.

I also find it kind of satisfying to be constantly holding back and then when someone starts dropping some cancer shit, tutor up some answers for it and blow up some of their lands in the process, and then resume copying jens or whatever I do

This isn't my first deck either, it's me reworking an old deck to be more interesting. So far I have

>1 deck for goofing around
>1 deck for pillowforting and controlling
>1 deck for being a big timmy retard
>1 deck for killing people t3-t5 with infect

i'm overthinking this shit but dammit i'm on a vacation and i have nothing else to think about
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>>54123591
Not that Anon. Actually building this deck. Looks promising, too.

>Eyeless Watcher
>Brood Monitor
>From Beyond
>Awakening Zone
>Fecundity
>Skullclamp
>Hedron Archive
>Dreamstone Hedron
>Eye of Ugin
>most of the dumb fat Eldrazi

It's only a shame Kozilek's Return is red for some reason.
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>>54122826
>>54122879
Is hatebears a non combat archetype? I think we need to lock down the board to win. Blow up all their lands! Play those stax cards, we can do a damn good job of playing control, can't we?
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>>54123361
Joyride of the ghetto
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>>54122531
Sacrificing playing a good commander
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Demon tribal lord commander when?
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Would you run the 3 or 4 white counterspells in the game in a boros deck?
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>>54124086
Rakdos, the Defiler
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>>54124098
true but we need another. sacing half of your lands each turn sucks
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>>54124116
I was creating Tariel angels&demons tribal deck at one point, but I never finished the thing
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>>54124116
just get a kormus bell out on the field with urborg, then put a conspiracy down, naming demons. blam, now you can keep your lands when you swing!
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>>54123409
>Omae wa mo shindeiru
>N-NANI?!
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>>54122826
archangel avacyn
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Can I use Sedris for Sac instead of ETB? If not, what commanders are good for sac?
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>>54124983
>Sac
Always ask yourself: To what end? If you just want to infinite sac shit there are better choices, ones that actually offer infinites or sac outlets like Grixis Marchesa (Undying FTW) or Melira (Persist FTW) for infinites or maybe Razaketh for outlets.
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Trying to decide between the sworn to darkness and power hungry precons, what do you guys think?
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>>54125166
It's rough. Choosing between the cancer of C13 and the cancer of C14. I don't envy you.
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>>54125182
Was mono black that good? I thought the best ones were red and green that year.
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>>54121118
I'm playing Scarab God because I've wanted a proactive Dimir deck since forever, Sygg being the closest and great in 1v1 but toothless in multi.
My other decks are:
>Meren
>Queen Marchesa Creatureless Control
>Karlov Voltron
>Bruse+Reyhan 4c Aggro
>Heliod Tokens
>Ezuri Elfball
>Teysa Reanimator Combo
>Sidisi Reanimator Combo
>Ghoulcaller Gisa Zombie Tribal
>Bloodchief Drana MBC
So I pretty much always have access to endless Fleshbag Marauder loops, Swords/Path/etc, infinite combos or 40+ infect damage. Gods don't scare me.
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>>54125199
Goes U, R, G, B, W for the order of cancer, and 2013 was Jund, Grixis (because Grixis is always cancer), Bant, Esper, Naya.
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>>54121253
Blaxos was the worst commander of the bunch, he really doesn't do shit and enchantress needs G to work correctly. Heliod does the "fill the board with niggas that trigger constellation/enchantment matters cards" thing much better and doesn't die like a little bitch to absolutely every mass removal played in EDH.
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>>54125302
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>>54121304
>White has ok ramp but blaxos is just kinda shitty
Blaxos is the lord of shitty.
>Meren>Ezuri>Karlov>Mazirek>Mizzix>Kaseto>Kalemne>Anya>Arjun>Daxos
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>>54125331
Kalemne can win, Daxos can't.
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>>54123361
jhoria
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>>54125447
Except you can win with Daxos by ignoring Daxos. Ignore Kalemne and you're still Boros.
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>>54125447
What's the best way to win in boros?
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I want to build a heroic combo deck that uses the en-kor to target my creatures infinitely many times. However, I don't know if I want to make it Boros or Jeskai.

If I make it Boros, I can use Anax and Cymede as my commander and overrun people more reliably.
However, if I make it Jeskai, I get access to Mindreaver and Sage of Hours as additional win conditions, and I get access to more card advantage to find an en-kor if I need to.

Is it worth losing Anax and Cymede for the ability to use blue?
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C17 spoilers when?
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>>54125507
Twin combos.
At the level of table where BW Enchantress Stax can win, so can Boros Goodstuff.

Kalemne, Anya and Arjun aren't good. But Daxos is worse. Thankfully the deck came with Karlov who is super fun in multiplayer and a beast in 1v1.
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>>54125533
One week before release so that you're forced to pre-order blind or get fucked by scalpers like they did with Atraxa.

>zerodayswithoutjewistricks.jpg
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>it's a "Whose the Shittiest Pick" discussion
>about the Call the Spirits & Wade Into Battle commanders
>mfw they're both my top two decks

>>54125507
Either rush mana rocks into MLD or voltron
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>>54125507
Kiki combos.
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>>54122817
I would like to beelieve this is going to happen soon. Seeing that old artwork bugs me really. Bug tribal seems like fun, getting hit by her gotta sting.
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>>54125521
>Is it worth losing Anax and Cymede for the ability to use blue?
Yes.
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>>54125554
Karlov is the shit. Ive started tuning mine again. I noticed the 1v1 lists have cut back on 1 drop life gainers though and optef for higher cost, evasive ones. I wonder if that's correct for multiplayer as well? I dont know why they play Gjost lit redeemer but no soulmender now, though. Still havent founs the best xomvo win I want to use. The ones that have a little synergy with karlov, like ones that involve auras, are less efficient than other ones.
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>>54125554
As in Splinter Twin, or do you mean two-card combos. Elabotate, since I'm torn in several directions on where to take my deck. Do I go straight aggro? Do I go hatebears/stax?
What other possibilities are there that make boros viable?
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>>54125255
What made the black one so cancer?
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>>54125588
I think that's what I've had in mind so far. I have 10 of the cheapest mana rocks available to me and 5 MLD effects. Where do I go from there?
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>>54125662
Planeswalker commanders are cancer due to their ability to hit the board and start dealing out 3 kinds of bullshit. Teferi and Daretti's types of cancer are just more focused than Freyalise, who's better than Nixilis, who's better than Nahiri.
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>>54125626
I highly suggest running a comprehensive recursion package. Cards like Sun Titan ,Nim Deathmantle, Sword of Light and Shadow, Goblin Welder, Feldon of the Third Path, Loyal Retainers, Karmic Guide/Reveillark, Buried Ruin, Mistveil Plains, and Crucible of Worlds can really help you get extra value out of your fatties/utility creatures
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I hate Rise from the Dark Realms. Cards like Living Death and Twilight's Call are some of my favorite cards but they actually require a little bit of graveyard/board awareness to use compared to RftDR which is just a "counter me or lose" 9 mana card.

Yes, I lost to it again and yes, I'm mad.
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>Have 3 decks, want another
>Newest Naya Samut deck with keywords, legendaries and tapping. Made from remains of Xenagod
>Want to create a deck using the power of DedNav ETBs, blue creatures or UG nasty stuff
>Friends already has Brago, so can't use him as Commander, same goes for Rashmi, Kruphix and Riku
>RG combinations are already taken, leaving Bant or Sultai for UG
>Roon seems fun, but underpowered as hell compared to Brago, with less synergies and worse art. It would also take WG pieces away from Samut
Would Derevi be too alike Samut in the untapping regard or should Samut be "Xenagod-lite ft. White" with hasty fatties, while Derevi should be tokens.deck?

Have I simply bitten over more than I can chew?
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>>54125665
More rocks, including possibly more expensive utility/rock combos like Commander's Sphere, Magnifying Glass, and Hedron Archive (as well as Big Rocks like Worn Powerstone and Thran Dynamo). IMO 10 ramp is industry standard to have a deck running well, If you really want to guarentee rocks out as a strategy you want more like 15. This is particularly critical for Boros (or, really, anything nongreen) since your other ramp options are weak.

I'd say 5 sounded a bit sparse for MLD but there just aren't that many MLD pieces so more would be asking a lot. That said, if you can fit it in, you might as well. You will also need more general wipes -- basically anything that doesn't hit your artifacts since you are reliant on having a rock advantage to actually profit from blowing up the world.

Once you've established dominance, there are two real routes to victory. If you're gumming everyone to death with a couple midrange dudes someone is going to re-establish and kick your ass, so you need to stop that from happening. Route 1 is to have something that's better than a couple of 4/x or 5/x beaters: Geometric damage, strong commander damage, or some ability to swarm explosivley. Route 2 is to do a little light stax work. You won't really be a stax deck but keeping everyone down with Trinisphere, Winter Orb, Smokestack, Thorn of Amethyst, Sphere of resistance, Thalia (And other hatebears)... anything that stops them from getting their groove back on. You can mix the two routes, of course, or you can go for the quick knockout or "hold them down and drool into their mouths until they drown". Any of those ways works.
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>>54125882
You could try Sedris. DEN stops unearthed creatures from permanently leaving so you could make some sort of unearth/blink deck. Red has the most fun ETB creatures too in my opinion.
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>>54125846
>counter me
Why would you do something as foolish as that?
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Post cards you'd use the heck out of if only they were cheaper.
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What's the best monogreen card?
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>>54126150

Dual lands, shock lands, and fetch lands. I want good mana.
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>>54126155
Biorhthym. It's banned, isn't it?
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>>54126150
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>>54126184
Yes, it is. But Biorhythm on a stick isn't.
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Best EDH staples for drawing cards/getting gas in each color? I'm putting together a "vault" of staples to bounce between my decks.
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>>54122879
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>>54126150
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>>54125521
Heroic doesnt trigger on abilities, only spells.
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>>54126240
Timetwister, Wheel of Fortune, Harmonize, Faithless Looting, Fact or Fiction, Treasure Cruise, Sign in Blood.
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>>54125580
>tfw you preorder all the decks every year no matter what
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>>54126240
White: Land Tax? Sram?
Blue: Rhystic Study/Mystic Remora
Black: Necropotence, Phyrexian Arena
Red: (Insert favorite Wheel here)
Green: Collective Unconcious or Soul of the Harvest/Primordial Sage
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>>54126271

Well shit.
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>>54123626
>>54123819
follow up on this

>try the sultai deck once more on xmage
>monogreen player ramping and building board like crazy
>bounce his board every turn with just animate dead on kederekt leviathan
>eventually draw into terastodon and start blowing up his lands too
>he's not able to swing at me until like turn 12 with 3 terastodon elephants
>he scoops immediately after
>other players just scoop because i've accidentally demoralized them with my constant kederekt bounce spam
>never even bothered to go for a wincon myself

jesus christ

it's like a drug

it's so bad but it's so good
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>>54125521
Go read the cards again. There is no combo
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so exactly how shit is MTGO? i want to play pauper there but i hate shit UIs. i know this isnt the right general but the pauper one isnt around right now
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>>54124350
>Still better story writing then what were getting today.
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>>54126401
U/G/x is the cancer of this format
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>>54121417
>What is land tax
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>>54126155
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>>54125626
>Kiki+Resto
>Kiki+Village Bell Ringer
>Splinter Twin+Midnight Guard
>Splinter Twin+Sunstrike Legionnaire
>Elemental Mastery+Midnight Guard
>Elemental Mastery+Sunstrike Legionnaire
That plus goodstuff (Sun Titan, Karmic Guide, Reveillark, Armageddon, Vandalblast, etc.) should have you covered.
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>>54126565
Also Kiki Conscripts and Twinflame/Heat Shimmer Dualcaster.
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>>54126155
http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/hibernations-end/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/primal-order/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/rite-of-passage/
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>>54126442
Doran is everywhere, Wizards just refuses to touch on it. here's a template for anyone, god speed.
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From 1 to 10, how important do you consider Fetchlands?
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>>54125928
Should I keep my rocks on the cheap side to increase explosivity, out of the 10 rock that I corrently have slotted in the deck, 8 have a cmc of 2 or less. Do I just add as many 2/3 drop rocks as possible, or do I start cheating lands into play via Wayfarer's Bauble/Surveyor's Scope?
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>>54127361
What's your commander?
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>>54127361
Necessary in Titania.
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>>54127406
Meren, Maelstrom, Newzuri and Yisan

>>54127447
And Gitrog I assume
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>>54127461
>Meren
Not.
>Newzuri
No.
>Yisan
Fuck no.
>Maelstrom
Helps fix mana, but no.
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>>54127461
4+ color commanders it's nice but not needed. They are only needed in decks that interact with land ETBs or LTBs.
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>>54127112
FAST
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Guess my curve, anons
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>>54127640
Short height of your bars means that you're running a lot of lands. Angry Omnath.
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>>54127640
Mira and Denn.
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>>54127361
>5 color
10
>4 color
10
>3 color
9
>2 color
7
>1 color
4
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>>54127376
9-10 is ideal and yeah for 2 color I usually go
>Chrome Mox
>Mox Diamond
>Thought Vessel
>Mind Stone
>Fellwar Stone
>Signet
>Talisman/Mana Vault
>Mana Crypt
>Sol Ring
For three color
>Mox Diamond
>Chrome Mox
>Thought Vessel
>Mind Stone
>Fellwar Stone
>Signet 1
>Signet 2
>Signet 3
>Sol Ring
>Mana Crypt
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>>54126155
You won't find a greener card than this.
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>>54127376
Well, it's your choice.
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>>54127693
A very astute observation, anon.
Yeah it's Angry Omnath. Definitely my favorite and most tuned deck.
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>>54127874
You mean a card that could just as easily be monored?
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How do I build a Gitrog Monster with no infinite combos that's still fun?
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Probably not a fair challenge...
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>>54127958
Turbofog/Stax/Value. Do dredge chains beyond just loam
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>>54126565
Thanks for this list. It's useful
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>>54127958
>How do I build a midrange deck that's a midrange deck.
Gee anon, I don't know.
>>54127965
Scarab God.
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>>54128002
>Scarab God
Ding! What gave it away?
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>>54127376
>Surveyor's Scope
Surveyors scope is a card that always looks like it should be sooo good, but I think its awful.

Even if you do get 3 untapped lands off of it, it means that everyone else was ahead of you for ages, and as a late game top deck it wasn't gas, it was just more ramp. Which is not where you want to be.

Early game it does fuck all, too. I really wish they had hit the mark on the card. If it didn't exile itself it might even be good in some sort of artifact stax deck that sacced its lands, but we don't even get that much.
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>>54128053
The fact that nothing gave it away, which means it's something I'm not familiar with. Only new Dimir legend is Scarab God.
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>>54128068
Clever.
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>>54122345
this is probably gonna be my next deck. plz give spicy tech.
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>>54127958
>>54127984
>>54128002
I have to disagree with this shit. If you don't build super powered frog you are going to get face fucked and never have your commander out because I know I sure as fuck wouldn't let it sit out across the table from me. That means you can't do fun and spicy things like worm harvest or whatever, you have to do shit like strip mine + crucible, or dakmor salvage+horseshit.

If your playgroup lets gitrog sit out and value town the win for you, they are stupid. Nigga should have a target as big as kaalia, but he is much more competitive.

I tried to build him without infinte combos, and thats approximately what happened. Your turns take forever, constantly drawing/dredging. Having salvage in your hand means you get to essentially sift through your entire deck at end step (with a small degree of failure possible) so that shit takes forever. You also still stripmine/wasteland everyone out.
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>>54127565

kek
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Guess mine
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>>54122826
Don't be a faggot and represent the legion. I run a dozen commanders I can use at will in the deck.

All glory to the Boros.
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>>54126150
M O A T
O
A
T
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>>54128333
Talrand.
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>>54128383
wrong, admittedly monocolor is quite challenging.
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>>54126155
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>>54126303
It's a good and easy feel. You can trust it will be worth getting all of them. Even if the other decks cost less $$$ than Straxa they still each had some new cards or were worth the price.
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>>54128401
To be fair not legal in commander.
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So I'm building a nin deck and I need some help.
The gameplan is to play a bunch of wheel effects and draw spells to get my win cons.
My win cons are things like splinter twin/ Kiki combos. Laboratory maniac and a few others.

I'd like to put some counters in there but the only one I have in so far is counterspell. What are some other good ones for edh?
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>>54128333
Not enough artifacts to be Arcum, Muzzio, Padeem, no big drops to be Jalira or Braids, might be Tomorrow?
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>>54128458
>>54128333
Or Azami herself.
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>>54128457
Arcane Denial, Swan Song, Counterflux, Force of Will.
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>>54128333
Kami
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>>54128476
Correct.
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Maybe a dumb question cause I'm over thinking it but would a creature entering the battlefield and triggering its own effect (ulvenwald hydra for example searching a land card) trigger itself twice from panharmonicon?
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>>54128521
yes
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>>54128521
Yes, your creature's ETB is a triggered ability of a permanent you control.
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>>54126150
All the planeswalkers, duals, Mana Crypt, Crucible, Doubling Season, and Judge Promo cards.
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>>54128617
Wow. This art is trash
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>>54128627
Shit taste confirmed, you clearly have no appreciation for the classics.
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>>54128627
Pleb, its portraying the style of Renaissance Art, and its cool.
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>>54128627
What did you expect? It's the promo art that barely anybody will see or care about. They just want the shiny badass card, damnit!
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>>54126150
>Chains
Got one sitting in Nekusar, another in the Mimeoplasm. Damn things always make a game more fun.

If I had the money, I'd grab Abyss too
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>>54127792
I found a couple of colorless mana dorks in the form of Palladium and Alloy Myr. I have them along with Pristine Talisman, Magnifying Glass, and Mycosynth Wellspring.
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>>54122826
Yes Depala does count. She's a tribal focused commander who acts more like an artificer than anything.

Not to mention Brion.
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>>54128791
A lot of the good dwarves from old sets have land destruction abilities on them, if I'm not mistaken.
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>>54128530
>>54128539
Alright appreciate it, just making sure I wasn't thinking too hard on it.
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>making new deck
>really like green
>dont want to do mono
What colors should I do, lads? Or should I bite the bullet and make mono-green?
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>>54128964
Gruul or Temur.
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How do I build the most super cancer Sultai deck? Who is the commander, what is the playstyle, and the wincon? Must have cards to make people >rrreee
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>>54128964

do Simic or Sultai or Bant
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I want to make a lands deck, but I don't want to make gitrog because I tried that shit and it turned out like this
>>54128265

Are Asuza and titania my only options? I know there are a couple gruul dudes (borb, omnath, Mina), but I don't think red offers anything for lands except for maybe valakut, and that seems awkward when you aren't in monored.

What's good? I have a bunch of the lands staples (full set of fetches, crucible, asuza, exploration and all the cheaper stuff) and the new shit from hour really gave me a lands boner, but i am lost for the commander.
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>>54128401
Mistakes were made.
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>>54129132
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>>54129087
Sidisi, Hermit Druid, Lab Man.
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>>54128964
Another vote for Temur, or Golgari. Make sure you play Golgari in a fun interesting way that isn't Meren, Hepatra, or Gitrog
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>>54129005
I snooped around Gruul but finally decided on Naya. Doing Samut ramp and tap abilities, since I'm not terribly fond of voltron.
>>54129090
>>54129206
I've already done Simic and Sultai, and Bant's been on the back burner for ages
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>>54129132
Go Gahiji and just animate all your lands to act as your creatures, Naya gives you access to lots of tech that does that and he acts as a buff to every land you can animate.

>Natural Emergence
>Terra Eternal
>Multiple Zendikons
>Nature's Revolt
>Awakener Druid
>Earth Surge
>Crucible of Worlds or the new creature equivalent
>Awaken cards
>Anthems
>White cards that give indestructible to stop you from losing all your lands

Of course it's only for those EDH players that like to live dangerously
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>>54126150
Mishra's Workshop would be one of the most played cards in the format if it wasn't nearly $1000.

Artifacts shenanigans is one of the most common archetypes and even the decks that aren't centered around artifacts run a ton of them anyways.
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>tfw you love Sphinxes and are really excited to see one as a commander but Blue is your least favorite color

One of you fuckers better brew Unesh and have fun for me, y'hear?
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>>54126150
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>>54126150
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I love this fucker. Is there a competitive build for him that actually uses scavenge?
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>>54130187
I want to. It will only contain cards that force you opponent to make decisions and I will play it like a fucking game show host.
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>>54122724
you ruined her
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>>54130672
Prepare to shell out for a Phyrexian Dreadnought and Death's Shadow.
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>>54130945
That's fine.
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>>54130958
You're probably looking to Voltron strats then. Have Varolz grow himself large enough to Commander Damage people out, and put stuff on him to keep him from getting killed while you do.
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>>54130998
Sounds about right, and there could be one or two evasive infect creatures as a backup wincon. But is there an established list I can look at anywhere?
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>>54130958
>>54130998
Remember, absolutely do not use Lightning Greaves.
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>>54131161
>lightning greaves on your only creature, varolz
>scavenge deaths shadow
>buff opponent's in play commander
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>play Atraxa
>try to be fancy with counters
>everything just gets blown up and countered constantly by the whole table
>eventually just win with Atraxa beatdown
>every single game
What am I doing wrong?
I just want a fun deck to mess around with all kinds of counters that aren't just +1/+1 counters and have those as my main wincon and gimmick, not a big flier with a million keywords.
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>>54131434
Unfortunately playing atraxa makes you the arch-enemy a lot of games, mixture her having a lot of scary playstyles and people who are salty they didnt get her precon thinking she's better than she is, not that she ain't great
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You know, outside of maybe Melek and Ruric Thar, I feel like the Dragon's Maze Guild Champion cycle could all have Partner and it wouldn't be too strong.
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>>54130945

Oh no $10 cards how could anyone afford that
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>>54123499
Ok, just made this deck up. I tried going for a eldrazi tribal but then it transitioned to a colorless/morph tribal and in the end i gave in and put in good cards so the tribal theme is basically non existant now.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/animazi/
Is it good? What should i change?
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>>54121998
>>54122172
>>54122031
>Tries to be different than the others, end up being the same as other others. Kek.
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>>54131532
Oh shit. Here come the budgetfags.
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>>54131606

$20 with shipping!
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>>54131532
>>54131606
Those $10 cards add up quick. Just 10 cards in your 99 card deck will cost you $100, plus sleeves and your bulk. Now its a $200 deck.
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>>54131656

>tfw my average deck is over 1k now.

Feels good to have gotten everything before prices went insane.
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>>54128166
You can even go voltron with him. I won myself multiple games by just putting Shield of the Oversoul on him or Eland Umbra. Also Tree of Perdition if you want people to get mad at you.
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Anyone know when Manabase crafter is gonna be updated with Hour of Dev creatures? Looking forward to building Scarab God.
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>>54131692

Can't you just use any UB legends and get the same lands? Or am I retarded?
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>>54130187
Esper sphinx tribal with Sharuum the Hegemon as the commander and Unesh as the secret commander because mono colored decks are lame.
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>>54131692
Why not just do it manually? It's easy as shit
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>>54130187
>>54131728
ya and black gives you access to stuff like patriarch's bidding and some other cool stuff
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What are some safe ways to build around Damia, Sage of Stone? I don't want to load my deck with discard outlets because I know there are going to be games where I can't resolve him. So basically, what are some goodstuff cards that synergize with her very well? I'm also running reanimation so discarding my creatures is advantageous

I was thinking of just running maybe Forbid as my only counterspell and annoying people with it, but I don't know what else to do
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>>54131492
Lavinia of the Tenth
Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
Emmara Tandris
Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Varolz, the Scar Striped
Tajic, Blade of the Legion
Vorel of the Hull Clade

I'd definitely play Naya tokens lead by Tajic and Emmara.
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>>54132050
>him
It says her on the card anon.
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>>54132073
Yeah oops I did refer to her as a her as well

My native language doesn't differentiate between girls and boys when it comes to pronouns, so I occasionally default to just calling everyone a "him"
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>>54132096

> doesn't differentiate between girls and boys
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>>54132096
Honestly I'd recommend just playing Tasigur. You can reduce his cost with Delve, he generates consistent card advantage, pitches reanimate targets, and you can even play him as Sultai politics by packing all the best answers and asking people for them to stop other players.
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>>54132064
Varolz and Vorel would be pretty cute together
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>>54132112
My head is telling me no but my dick is telling me yes
I don't know how to feel about this
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>>54132164

Always trust your dick around qt boipucci
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>>54132350
>>54132350
>>54132350

New thread for a new week.
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>>54132315
People are specutaling it will be UG, considering the other merfolks.
I can only wish for a bant merfolk general.
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>>54125255
>U
>the most cancer
Don't kid yourself, U one was almost worst one for once, because it had shit synergy and shit cards mostly, especially valuewise.
Out of the box the W and R ones were gor once the best, although Daretti had like 60 lands in it.
That was also because the G and B weren't that great either, but at least they had some decent value cards in them, which were lacking in the U one, which was the reason why no one wanted the U one at first. Same with as the Derevi deck you could find discounted everywhere
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>>54128166
silkwurm armor, wave of reckoning, Belbe's armor, skinshifter, Sentinel, tower defenses/solidarity, reaper of sheoldred, priests of norn. there is so much infect tech you can put in.
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>>54127361
Fetchlands are literally the best lands Wizards ever printed, but they're really not necessary.
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>>54132315

Is this from that Ixalan rare sheet or was there another c17 leak?
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