/40kg/ Warhammer 40k General

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>>53987065

Are power lances in 8ed and are they any better? I always wanted to run 10 Vanguard Vets with Power Lances but they were just not good

>>53986863 #

I was going to ask if you're surprised the durability faction has an extra save against anti-tank on tanks but then I reminded myself we aren't the durability faction anymore and now I'm sad

>Reanimation is more a gimmick than anything reliable unless you max out and buff huge warrior blobs to minmax it
>Characters don't have it -period-

I'm just getting back into the game now. Played Orks a while ago, but i'm thinking of picking up Space Marines. I got the old Blackreach box back in the day so I have a few hummies kickin' around. Any suggestions to start/expand my collection?

Speaking of non standard paint schemes, any ideas for pox-walkers?

Duncan recommends priming them white, then doing the skin with either green or flesh shading.

Any other ideas?

>>53987116
Yes, they have exactly the same stats as power mauls. So pretty decent.

>>53987134

Trap means femboy right?

None. All our sweaty neckbeards are sweaty neckbeards.

>>53987157
Are they still better on the charge then worse? Or literally just power mauls by a different name?

>>53987170
No, they are literally just renamed power mauls. Sorry.

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>>53987176
>close to 95%

w-what do you mean, anon?

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How are inquisitors these days?

>>53987125

Marines need to run what, heavy bolters, plasma, and autocannons?
Tau run Ion blasters and and missiles

Quantum shielding just requires you to not bring fusion and LOW spam against necrons.
With the low toughness and saves, unless someone has loaded dice, D1, D2, and Dd3 with Str6+ will tear it apart

>>53987196
They've never been good anon.

>>53987116
Sword or axe are better in most situations

>>53987187
That's fine, still an upgrade

>>53987231
Are they hot? What armies do they play?

>>53987134
There's one but I don't think he counts because he was a pudgy dude in cargo pants before and now he's a pudgy dude with tits and an undercut. Still wears the cargo pants.

>>53987208
This.

And plasma is better than melta this edition anyway so it really is a no brainer.

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How powerful do you guys headcanon Spehs Muhreens as being?

It varies so wildly in the fluff, Black Library doesn't seem to give authors any concrete idea of where their power level sits, you've got everything from Astartes captains being able to solo 18ft tall daemons or Tyranid monsters all the way to an entire squad of Chaos marines getting rekt by a few Imperial Guardsmen or dreadnoughts being brought down by overloaded lasgun magazines used as grenades.

Personally I always liked to think of them being very much beyond human limits. I liked the Horus Heresy novels describing humans fighting astartes as experiencing 'post-human dread' which caused even trained soldiers to lock up and/or run away crying.

Not just slightly beyond peak-human potential like say, Captain America, but properly superhuman, since they were created to fight wars humans couldn't ever survive in. My headcanon is that you'd never take an Astartes hand-to-hand, one-on-one, you'd just never be strong enough to block a single blow and even if you were the best human swordsman, you'd never move fast enough to land a blow unless he was distracted, or evade any of his.

Likewise, weapons like plasma might work, but you'd need to get into range and line up a shot on a rapidly moving target without getting headshotted by a bolt round fired with unerring accuracy from 200m away.

My headcanon would be that if Imperial Guard/Renegades encounter Astartes, they either die by the hundreds or gtfo until tanks can engage or the Astartes can be lured into line of sight for heavy weapon teams, and even then, they'd be hard to aim at and resistant to anything except direct hits.

That's how I like them, as unstoppable engines of war, I find them boring protagonists, I like them when you see them from a human perspective and realise just how fucked being a human is in 30k/40k.

>>53987259
Plasma a shit as far as I can tell, anon. 1 damage is garbage, and only wounds superheavies on a 5.

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>>53987254
report and hide anon, report and hide.

>>53987134
>Iron Cage.jpg

MODS

Commence exterminatus

>>53987254
did you now knew? /tg stands for TransGender

Intelligent Players: Chaos

Braindead Players: Imperium and Xenos

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>>53987282
> if you call someone a waacfag you get arrested for hate speech.

Where the fuck do you live?

>>53987291
>>53987307
Thank Christ for hide comment/reply

>>53987312
>thinly veiled shitposting
>gets mad when called on it
This is Trumps America faggot, got to a containment board, or better yet a site

Are there any good alternativr models for Necrons? Their lack of variety gets me down sometimes.

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Squiggoths this edition:
>210 points w/ kannon
>can carry 12 models
>has 5 strength 7 AP-2 Damage D6 attacks
>on the charge does D3 mortal wounds to each enemy unit within one inch on a 2+
>Howdah rule lets the squiggoth and its passengers fire in the shooting even if in melee, so long as they're not shooting the unit the squiggoth is currently in melee with.
What do you think /40kg/, worth it?

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Need to drop 13 points, but where?

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>>53987332
I think it breaks down a lot more than that! Tau/Orcs/Nids are braindead, but Eldar of any flavor require a bit more brainpower to play. Necrons are just retard level. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Now (chaos)Space Marines? That's for coma patients, I agree.

>>53987358
The charge only does D3 mortal wounds on a 2, not a 2+.

>>53987231
Uh, no. My equipment is still OEM, no conversions allowed.

>>53987281
I always saw their strength being in durability more than anything--and past that, experience.

Sure, they're harder to incapacitate than a normal human. But they still go down eventually.

The key thing is, the average tactical marine has been in a nonstop state of war for half a century or more. They really, REALLY know how to fight. Hand-to-hand, ranged, any sort of specialty you can think of--they can do it. This because even though they go down, THEY DON'T DIE. The strike force finishes the job, gathers up the wounded, and even with extremely gruesome injuries they can be just fine. If they aren't, congrats, you can stick them in a walking tank.

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>>53987340
Bongistan probably.

How bad would be a chaos/traitor imperator?

>>53987360
>a lone jump lord
>noise marine squads without rhinos

What.

>>53987374
Please stop being a fucking retard, its clearly meant to be a 2+

>>53987403
RAW its 2, senpai, there also tyranid creature that hits in melee only on 3s.

Praise the forgeworld.

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>>53987383
Part of their strength is their mental fortitude. Fighting constantly for more than a year would break most men, but Space Marines do it for decades.

>>53987382
You get twice the shots at twice the range. Yes, it is better.

>>53987065
Im currently painting robed Alpha Legion models. Alternating rules between heretics that might secretly be loyal to the emperor, and loyalists that might be secretly heretics.

>>53987419
>most men
>looks at picture
i see what you did there

>>53987196
really weak and no option for power armor. psyker option is cheaper i think now but the powers are worse like everyone's. iirc they were 25p base and now they're 55p

acolytes have potential since they're 8 points for 3 wounds and have many options but i'm not sure how to run them

>>53987403
Yeah, and dire avengers aren't meant to be 17 goddamn points a model, but I don't play the game it's meant to be. I play the game it is.

>>53987381
Amen to that

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>>53987447
You can stick acolytes in a repressor with plasma pistols and combiplasma! It won't go as fast as a dominion repressor, but it's a lot of firepower.

>Screen Shot 2017... etc.

>>53987399
You can't shoot out of rhinos anymore, and the jump lord can deepstrike and can more or less keep up with the bikes.

>>53987358
Well it can only carry 10 models. I guess just shove it full of shoota boyz or nobz with kombi guns and just dakka anything that gets close.

Just with the BS skill, there's not enough shots to output enough damage but the melee capabilities of it and it's constant in combat fire support for other groups make it a plus as well.

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>>53987065
Non traditional color schemes you say?

>>53987488
Your dudes are gonna get shot off the board without a rhino.

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>>53987134
The owners gf is a trans, does it count?

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>>53987470
>repressor
never seen anyone have a model for it so it's not relevant. i run a couple of these for plasma pistols since this is the first time pretty much ever to run them on normal models and sergeants

>>53987403
It clearly says 2, not 2+.

>>53987505
Convert an immolator or rhino into one. It's worth it.

>>53987521
i'm puritan these days so no

>>53987473
Yep, it is.

>>53987134
I just saw it.

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>>53987416
>>53987455
>>53987507

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>5 minutes in Paint later

>>53987528
What do you believe is so hard about converting one? It's just a box on the back...

>>53987470
I'm not sure I like those arrows on her knee.

>>53987470
Damn she got a booty

>>53987564
So, if we're playing with rules as intended, tell me how the Eldar Scorpion is supposed to function. 3 damage listed in the weapon's profile, with a special rule stating "on a wound roll of a 6, this weapon does 2d6 damage instead of d6."

Does that mean the damage value is supposed to be d6 for all the normal hits instead of 3? Does the 3 become 2d6 on the roll of a 6 to wound? Or does the effect not work, because it is a replacement effect and there is no d6 to replace?

Rules as written, the last option is most likely to be accepted at tournaments.

>>53987564
You're the one that's fish on helm retarded.
The rules are quite clear that it's a roll of a 2. Not a 2, 3, 4, 5, or 5. Like how the damocles rhino rolls a die with no consequence.

Anyone recall rumours of a unique Death Guard vindicator tank?

What was that from and what was it about?

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>>53987593
But chaos sisters would be fun too! Imagine Slaanesh/Khorn/Tzeentch/Nurgle themed acts of faith!

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>>53987605
>>53987614

>>53987605
True, if it has no d6 damage, how are you going to increase it to 2d6?

>>53987623
Sisters of Chaos has a nice ring to it.

>>53987588
it's not about what is hard. i'm more about what's an official model these days

>>53987623
Wouldn't they just have marks, which (when the codex decides to come out) do special abilities on their own?

>>53987496
They still can't shoot from inside it, once they disembark they are just as vulnerable, is it really worth paying 72 points for a turn or two of M12"?

>>53987623
>Imagine Slaanesh/Khorn/Tzeentch/Nurgle themed acts of faith!
>extra move. already covered
>extra "assault phase". already covered
>extra shooting phase. already covered
>recover wounds/models. already covered
are you fucking retarded or what?

>>53987645
I thought they were called Daemonettes.

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Just got my first Primaris, would mk3 heads look good on them?

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>>53987586
What's the deal with Brits and undersized turrets? Is it an insecurity thing?

>gw supercharged plasma gun 2 damage
>fw supercharged plasma gun 3 damage
>gw supercharged plasma cannon d3 shots range 36
>fw supercharged plasma cannon heavy 2 range 48
Shit negro what are you doing. Who is right? Proof read and playtest my ass.

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Are 1500 point games kill?

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>>53987671
Maybe.

>>53987675
They don't need a giant barrel to deliver a hot load all over a model. I'd call it being secure in their self image.

>>53987678
>fw is a power creeping cunt

Who knew.

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>>53987593
Is the 8 pronged arrow thingy used in any other imperial symbology? I found it again on some kneepad art.

>>53987664
Why limit it to taking extra actions? You could have psyker sisters for tzeentch, or acts of faith that grant mutations. Slaaneesh could focus on acts of faith that debuff the enemy (similar to the old masque of slaanesh debuffs). Khorne could give you an act of faith that doubles charge distance or something, and Nurgle's act of faith could be BO.

Why so unimaginative anon?

>>53987675

What's the best all-rounder bananablade now?

>>53987701
Have to justify the premium pricing somehow.

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>>53987653
Wait, you play sisters and DON'T use Grishmak?

Is Forge World just another forced meme?

Not the attempts to call it P2W but FW itself. Its so expensive, rules are clearly written by fewer people with less experience. You're paying more for a worse experience.

I guess you would use it if you had more money than sense but even then, c'mon...

>>53987663
Yes. Rhinos can tie up tanks in CC and block choke points. Mobility is important

>>53987720
Not him but I have over 200 metal sisters. Not undoing them for some third party shit.

>>53987690
i'm not accustomed to seeing a bare headed MK3. kinda ruins the atmosphere. otherwise it looks awesome, if unfluffy

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>>53987662
They could, but the cool thing about sisters is that their faith is so powerful that it manifests it's own miracles. In a sense, they're all catholic saints. I'd hope they keep that theme if they ever did chaos sisters.

>>53987706
Shadowsword I believe.

>>53987720
exactly him and i have about 150 metal models. kill yourself and never post these garbage minis again. do a favor for /tg/

>>53987721
They're obviously afraid of looking at a table full of gigantic, throbbing barrels because it reminds them of what they don't have.

>>53987749
>garbage minis
>objectively better than the official product

GW plz go

>>53987751
No, that just means we don't worship Slannesh.

>>53987770
Named characters can have it I believe, and Ordo Malleus can have terminator, but the generic inquisitor can only get a 4+

>>53987696
>>53987701
Is this shit even legal? There no plasma gun in fw sm index so i cant compare.

>>53987724
Some of the models they make do look good, specially the detailed character models. But larger boxy tanks are just better to do in plastic, as larger blocks of resin warp so easily during casting. And at least for 8th edition FW should just hand over rules development to GW, because they clearly don't have a clue.

This was already obvious with their 30k rules, where units got bonus distance to Sweeping Advance (which isn't a move) or had, as a drawback, a rule that forced them to always perform a Sweeping Advance (which wasn't optional anyway)

>>53987593
Memes!

>>53987749
>do a favor for /tg/

dat engrish tho

>>53987770
no. and yes they do. greyfax has 3+ save, karamazov 4+ and coteaz 2+. normal inquisitors are stuck with 4+ unless you go MALLEUS terminator inq

>>53987500
>gf
>trans
Pick one.

>>53987281

I think Ben Counter and Dan Abnett have the best portrayal of marine power levels, they're really god damn strong but they are no where near invincible against the myriad of crazy shit in 40k.

>>53987746
It seems most chaos cults and warbands already have enough fanatical faith. Enough killing on a planet and boom, warp strom/daemons show up and you win.

If Chaos Sisters have powerful faith, then they would be the unique super prophets of the gods because they can access powers that don't require mutations but sheer force of will.

That or they end up like the Word Bearers and just summon lots of daemons from all of their units and not just Chaos Characters.

>>53987817
Could be a boy(female)

>>53987804
Agreed.

Inquisitors are have the most access to any of the Imperium's gear and yet we are expected to believe that they don't bother to wear power armor to battle?

The only reason I would think that they don't wear artificer armor is that it doesn't come in human size.

>>53987817

>person born XX but has male parts (can happen if they're exposed to certain hormones during a specific window of gestation)
>has surgery later in life to get female parts
>now is phenotypically and genetically female

both is possible

>>53987825
Shit, how many times do daemons show up just because some poor bastard got his throat slit? It's not like Chaos needs a lot to work with in the first place.

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"this is a 4+ armor save model" -GW

>>53987853
Coteaz has artificer armor.

All it is is fancy custom-made power armor.

Is there quad laucher in SM book? I cant see it.

>>53987820
What always really bugs me is when the Loyalist marines are almost unkillable and the traitor marines get mowed down in such numbers they might as well be orks. And I say this with 2 of my 3 power armoured armies being loyalists.

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>>53987825
Or, they manifest warp powers just like they manifested warp powers for the 5th Chaos God, the emprah, but with thematic changes. Don't pretend chaos lore isn't wide open for GW to add to or change.

>>53987853
I thought part of the power armor's limitation to Astartes was because you need connection ports implanted and the technology does not work well with unmodified humans.

>>53987874
That armour has to be paper thin or that Inquisitor is a stick figure lol

>>53987874
If you're just going on how much skin is covered dark eldar warriors should have a 3+ save.

>>53987895
it is really close to battle sister armor which is undoubtedly 3+ power armor but not in this index :^)

>>53987706

Shadowsword, stormlord, baneblade in that order I think

How much does Duncan get paid per annum?

I hope its at least 40k

>>53987891
There is such a thing as power armour for normal humans, but it is kinda cumbersome to wear. The benefit space marines have is that thanks to the neural link the armour can support and enhance their movements so quickly it basically becomes part of your body.

>>53987874

Just field um... Gathering storm inquisitor girl. Can't remember her name.

You know, Celestine's girlfriend.

...Katherine Gandalf?

>>53987911
The SoB boobplate is -1 over unisex plate.

>>53987855
Not trans, just a mutant.

>>53987926
i'm so mad they put all the super-heavy variants in the middle of the IG section of the book so you have to flip forward if you're looking for, say, tempestus units and flip back if you're looking for leman russes

super heavies belong to the back!

>>53987728
>Rhinos can tie up tanks in CC

This is super annoying in 8th, I hate that all someone has to do is park a rhino next to a unit and it has to waste a turn falling back.

>>53987939
Fuck, I meant +1.

How viable are Imperial Knight only armies?

>>53987874
Does she have a power pack? No battery, no real power armor.

>>53987939
i'm not gonna buy that model to field that unit because that's not the same unit as in the pic you replied to

>>53987950
rhinos are not good for much else once they've delivered their payload because their weaponry is SHIT. just think of it as very effective tank shocking

>>53987950
>Has no infantry screening his valuable tanks

Do you even 8th edition bruh ?

>>53987930
Wow, lore that makes sense. Are you sure GW wrote that?

>>53987853

They could take artificer armor for a long ass time until they got shit all over in 7th.

>>53987943
Everyone's a mutant.

>>53987950

Tanks being tied up by melee and getting -1 to shoot heavy weapons if they move is the most annoying thing in 8th.

The -1 is particularly terrible on IG flyers, hitting on 5+

>>53987960
Now that you claim objectives by having the most models within 3'' ... You're only gonna win by Massacre.

>>53987962
while coteaz sports a 2+ sv without a power pack :^)

>>53987978
Russes have completely lost offensive power. Now all they do is sit there and soak wounds while poking ineffectually at stuff.

>>53987993
Jokaero.

>>53987993
Artificer armour's magic

>>53987997

They depend on their sponsons more but are cheap for it.

>>53987968
Not New Games Workshop (tm)

Stuff like that was all written long ago, when GW was just a bunch of nerds who made their own tabletop game and sold it to others.

>>53987997
So like what they've done before when fighting tau and eldar?

>>53988012
actual magic

>>53988015
like terminators' artificer armors amirite

>>53988016
Guess I gotta get sponsons now.

At least I can always fire them.

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Fun fact: Fulgrim's model is blatantly not actually wearing power armour.

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>>53987785
My only inquisitor mini has power armour, what am I supposed to use her as now?

non-marine power armor isn't cumbersome. it is literally powered armor that carries itself AND enhances your strength but not to the degree it does with super-human mutants. a sister of battle in power armor could punch your jaw off

How many Redemptor Dreadnoughts does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

>>53988046
i love that model

>tfw no helrifle
>tfw no power stake/ null rod
>tfw even no power armor

never seen her from behind so i'm not sure what those two sticks are

>>53987281

I'm not a faggot so my perception of Space Marine power-level is based off their most consistent showings. High-end showings are discarded and low-end showings are discarded.

>>53988030

Honestly even the humble double HB lascannon/battlecannon russ is a dependable take all comers bunker that can anchor the mid field pretty well.

Also multi melta sponsons are no longer stupid considering they are still fairly dangerous at 24".

>>53988046
a normal inquisitor? Who cares about wyswyg

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WHAT THE HECK IS THIS GUY

just bought a bunch of old nids off ebay

Is this an old warrior model? Im completely new to nids except for back in 5th edition when they were my first army and i was just a kid who didnt know any better

Whats good in 8th?

I got 15 genestealers, 10 termagants, 6 spore mines, and 2-4 warriors depending on if pic related is a warrior.

Where should i go next with this army?

>>53988031
No, Fulgrim's ego powers his armor.

>>53988082
Get 5 more genestealers, a swarmlord, 20 more termagants, a tervigon.

>>53988082
Think that's an old tyrant guard model.

>>53988082
that's OG tyrant guard

it has a shield for fuck's sake

>>53988069
Two more power stakes, and she has a bunch of smaller ones inside her cloak too

>>53988082
Tyrant guard?


Is captcha fucking broken again?

>>53988046
Looks like a Cannoness with an inferno pistol and power maul to me.

>>53987134
None.

>>53987690
can these helmets be put on the flying dudes?

>>53988112
shame inquisition has so few options now (like every army does) but at least some other armies can hope for a quick codex unlike inquisition

>>53988122
just because it's a woman in power armor doesn't mean it's anywhere close to a sister. stop. that's like saying. coteaz is a space marine

>>53988082
That's the rare fapnid.

Guess what the big hand is for.

>>53988129
Helmet and pauldron size are pretty standardized.

Am i right to think that Breakin 'eads isnt as bad as it looks?

So, as an estimate, how much do you think I could get for 80 some odd Lost and the Damned guardsmen, heavily converted beastmen, mutants, and other such things, along with a few vehicles?

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>>53987156
Prime them white and shade them with two washes of Nuln Oil.

uhm excuse me, this is a xenos thread

kindly fuck off

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Do you know good online paint cheme constructor for csm?

Are regular tempestus scions squads worth taking? I've heard that the command squads are amazing now, but I'm planning on using metal kasrkins as scions, and I'd like to avoid having 4 identical plasma gun/melta models in each unit.

>>53988122
Too bad I already have a canoness AND the now generic verydian too.

>>53988137
I'm an old witch hunters player, losing options with every release is nothing new to me. I guess I should have expected it really.

>>53988082
Tyrant guard, I loved these fuckers back in the day.

I know the new model is less corny but I don't get as much of sense that it's able to block shots anymore.

>>53988158
same. it's nothing new. ordo xenos has alway suffered the most and still continues to suffer

>>53988154

Completely, scions are supremely good troop choices for all imperium armies.

Command squads are just silly for taking 12 entire melta/plasma guys in a valkyrie, you can do the same thing with normal scion squads but with 6 more friends in the squad.

Figure I might as well put this here as well as in /wip/. What heads would fit on Inquisitor Greyfax's body? I'm thinking abut making a little going-away present for my friend, and I want to make him something cool.
Any suggestions? /wip/ already said SoS head, Skitarii and Scions.

>>53988154
They're decent medium infantry killers with just the hotshots.

I'd still take Command Squads and just use your hotshot kasrkin as volleygun models.

>>53988154
if you're using those awesome kasrkin models you should embrace the samepose imho

if you're planning to "deep strike" units with even a few hot-shot lasguns you must understand that they can't rapid fire on the turn they arrive since you have to land more than 9" away

>>53988173
Statuesque miniatures.

The helmeted sob head off the immolator sprue if you can get one.

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WHY THE FUCK DID GAMESWORKSHOP PULL THE PLUG ON THE ARMY BUILDER WEBSITE AAAAAAAAAAAA

>>53988188
Because some retard posted about it in a way that they couldn't plausibly ignore.

>>53988146
conversion won't raise their value unless exceptional. they're probably just guardsmen on the market. you can ask for more than your average guardsmen but that would probably need a more dedicated beastmen-guardsmen buyer

>>53988158
Well given that Canoness is our only non-unique HQ, you'll be needing multiples if you want multiple detachments.

I just fluff the extra canonesses (canoni?) as palatine

Still really confused about how Berserkers work. I've heard different things.

Lets say you have two units charge two different enemies, unit A and unit B.

In the fight phase is it: unit A, unit A, unit B, unit B, enemy unit, enemy unit.

Or is it: unit A, unit B, unit A/B, enemy unit, unit A/B, enemy unit.

>>53988150
Hmm, grey zombies. Kinda like. Got any other pictures?

>>53988188
Normies ruin everything, as is usual.

>>53987855
you do know that a man-made vagina isn't the same as a genetically grown vagina?

>>53988188
they've cease and desisted tons of sites since many years ago when they actively began to pursue their IP rights. it's eventual unless you're exceptionally careful

>>53988207
I suppose.

I'm still bitter about losing veridyan al-fucking-ready though.

>>53988188
How is there still no offline version of it yet?

>>53988207
shit sucks indeed. inquisitors are always fluffy in sister armies. guard commanders with inducted guard units are alright. jacobus is fluffy indeed. i forgot if primaris psyker is HQ

that's not much more but still

>>53988199
this.

The sad part is they probably didn't mind it existing, but the fucked up way copy right works in USA means they legally HAVE to tell them to take it down or they lose their copyrights.

It's a fucking stupid system.

>>53988236
>What is battlescribe

>>53988222
Only way to be careful is to make the whole thing for just yourself and give it out to a few choice people.

Though one is bound to slip up, have idiot people find it so they can show it to GW and be all "Please don't shut this one down like the hundreds we've shown you before. It's good!"

>>53988235
i would say GW pretty much scammed us. veridyan could be shitty and have very few extra rules but still she would be veridyan as opposed to a canoness

>valkyrie loaded up with Malefic Lords (assume FAQ to allow renegade units to hop in transports): 490 points
>deploy this, and nothing else, reserving 1510 points for summoning
>guaranteed to go first.
>first turn, move the valkyrie into the best spot you can, and disembark everything
>summon a horde of daemons with your 12 Chaos Characters

I think I've found out how to best use renegades. On below average rolls, you can summon an entire 1500 point army in one turn. Can any army handle 1500 points of daemons deepstriking up their ass in one turn?

>>53988208
You get to choose each unit twice to fight in the subphase. As long as you follow the rules about units that charged fighting first (and using all their available fights), you can choose the units to fight in any order.

>>53988263
battlescribe is hot garbage

>>53988257
Copyright law is a huge fucking mess, but it isn't so flimsy that even fan projects can jeopardize it.

The real answer is that they probably have their own version of it in the works and don't want competition.

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>>53988235
I feel ya man

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>>53988104
>>53988109
>>53988111
>>53988112
>>53988164

Alright cool. I got 2 tyrant guards then

Im gonna paint these boys up to look like the imperial armor nids then and eventually add more termigaunts/stealers and a swarmlord

>>53988270
i'm not an expert on these things but maybe you could do a skeleton program for army lists and have another "unrelated" site to provide your program with the army list data to complete the army lists

no. fucking. copyrighted. pictures

Chaplains are NOT good.

>>53984542
>Knights of Baal

But they already exist in someone else's homebrew

>>53988292
be happy. those tyrant guard models are a treasure and it looks like all your models are in good condition

>>53987586
Looking good. Hopefully the missiles aren't built into the chassis.

>>53988292
hey your boltgun metal lid isn't completely sealed i think

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I hear a lot of people saying that Basilisks are the way to go, but I kinda don't see why. Can someone give me the reason why they are perceived as a good choice?

>>53988292
Whats a nid guys stay at back?

I don't know much about the SoB lore but are there Chaos Sisters?

>>53988352
big range, no los needed, can actually stay put in cover and not get in melta range unlike short range leman russes

cheap i guess? idk the price

>>53988352

3 of them is about the same cost as a land raider and can put out some pretty respectable out of LOS anti vehicle firepower anywhere on the table with no minimum range.

>>53988368
Some have converted, but there is no set order. The only story I remember was one about how a Keeper of Secrets converted a shrine world.

>>53988331
Thanks friend
He is now

>>53988316
They are that rare?

I got em from a spanish bro who was selling them all as part of a lot of tyranids

Came with a fuckload of bitz that i gotta sort through

Lots of carnifex parts by the looks of it

>>53987065
Assuming i dont want to got two gat cannons, whats a good second arm weapon on a renegade knight?

>>53988221
Serves the same function, looks the same or nearly the same, depending on the quality of the surgeon. Not fully functional since they can't get pregnant (yet), but then there's "fully natural" women who can't either.

I suppose whether you consider them a "girl" depends on where you place the metaphysical stress of "being a girl." Is it mental? Genetic? Appearance-based? Function-based? The whole package? If someone does not completely fit at birth under that definition, then where are they?

Or perhaps it doesn't really matter and the shorthand of "girl" is easier than any philosophical musing.

>>53987874
Where's the backpack to provide "power" for that "power armour"?

deredeo or leviathan dreadnought for multipurpose ranged heavy support?

>>53988368
one sister in some old fluff

but really there's not a single fallen sister. they're pretty much on par with grey knight on this matter

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>>53988363

>>53988352
High damage great range low cost and don't need los

>>53988386

Shave your beard trannie

>>53988392
Leviathan because rule of cool

Deraedo looks pretty cool too tho

>>53988392

Deredeo for pure ranged

leviathan is really missing out without a claw arm. Doritos can go full dakka easily.

>>53988394
What about Slaanesh cultists who wear the armor of slain sisters?

>>53988389
Under the massive cloak she's wearing.

>>53987493
i gotta be honest, its a great scheme--

but eldar dreadnoughts are sooo f-ing gay

>>53988381
i have had that same issue with new paint pots. click it shut yet the back part of it isn't fully sealed

>>53988416
that's nowhere near relevant to the original post. do not try to twist this issue

>>53988386
>Serves the same function, looks the same or nearly the same, depending on the quality of the surgeon.

man made vaginas lack several key features, they aren't self lubricating, self cleaning, or naturally hygenic. They look like a genetic vagina thats gotten maul'd by a pitbull or muh dick. The worst part of all, is that the body treats it as a gaping wound and tries to heal the pocket shut.

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Hey dozen SoB fans, what are you guys hoping for design-wise from a new plastic kit?

GW needs to get rid of that shitty fucking boobplate. That's the only major change I want,
besides nicer looking models. The general aesthetic has actually aged pretty well if you ignore the faces.

>>53988274
Can they summon even though they've disembarked? Units can move after they do so, but even if they don't they count as having moved for at least shooting.

>>53988376
>>53988375
Yeah guess with how cheap they are, they have some respectable firepower.

>>53988451
not even gonna reply to this to be honest

>>53988453
The rule for summoning says "Instead of moving". Since the unit can move, it seems to me, they can substitute their move for summoning. But it needs to be faq'd.

>>53988455
just compare earthshaker cannon to leman russ big pieplate guns in price and see if you like durability instead of reliability or something like that

>>53988451
Minis that aren't cut up in absolutely fucking retarded ways on the sprue like celestine is.

>>53988208

A, B (charges), A or B, Enemy, A or B

>>53988468
Heh. I'm going to try this next time I play a proxy game.

>>53988440
I'm not, don't even care what ever you guys were talking about.

Just asking for my own conversions.

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Thinking of pulling the trigger with Orks

I can build this lot for about £250 using mostly start collecting boxes and trukk boxes. It looks good on paper but never played Orks or much of 8th before.

Basically hordes of boyz with deff dread support, skorcha nobz in trukks with warboss to delete units.

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Orks) [135 PL, 2497pts] ++

+ HQ +

Warboss [4 PL, 99pts]: Attack Squig, Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw

Warboss [4 PL, 99pts]: Attack Squig, Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw

+ Troops +

Boyz [13 PL, 242pts]
. Boss Nob: Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. 7x Ork Boy W/ Shoota
. 19x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa

Boyz [13 PL, 242pts]
. Boss Nob: Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. 7x Ork Boy W/ Shoota
. 19x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa

Boyz [13 PL, 242pts]
. Boss Nob: Kombi-Skorcha, Power Klaw
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. Ork Boy W/ 'Eavy Weapon: Big Shoota
. 7x Ork Boy W/ Shoota
. 19x Ork Boy W/ Slugga & Choppa

+ Elites +

Nobz [21 PL, 374pts]: Cybork Body
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa, Kombi-Skorcha
. Nob: Choppa, Kombi-Skorcha X 9

Nobz [21 PL, 369pts]
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa, Kombi-Skorcha
. Nob: Choppa, Kombi-Skorcha X 9

Painboy [4 PL, 69pts]: Grot Orderly, Power Klaw

Painboy [4 PL, 69pts]: Grot Orderly, Power Klaw

Painboy [4 PL, 69pts]: Grot Orderly, Power Klaw

+ Heavy Support +

Deff Dread [8 PL, 153pts]
. Deff Dread: Skorcha, Skorcha
. . Pair of Klaw Arms: 2x Dread Klaw

Deff Dread [8 PL, 153pts]
. Deff Dread: Skorcha, Skorcha
. . Pair of Klaw Arms: 2x Dread Klaw

Deff Dread [8 PL, 153pts]
. Deff Dread: Skorcha, Skorcha
. . Pair of Klaw Arms: 2x Dread Klaw

+ Dedicated Transport +

Trukk [5 PL, 82pts]: Big Shoota

Trukk [5 PL, 82pts]: Big Shoota

++ Total: [135 PL, 2497pts] ++

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Got some of these bad boys on the way to pair with the new Celestine. Sell me on your favourite sisters paint scheme.

>>53988451
Agreed, titty plating really needs to go. Doesn't make sense practically, looks stupid, sexist, and isn't even sexy (which i assume was the point? or to remind us that they're women???) Love the design in the art you posted.

>>53987706

Stormlord loaded with HWTs

>>53988235
fuck you made me almost shit myself because I thought you meant she was discontinued as a model and I don't have one yet

>>53988451
It's bait, but I love the boob plate it's so impratical and 40k.

>>53988451
>new plastic kit
So, what, in like 50 years?

Honestly all I want is all helmet heads, I love the sisters helmet and I think they looks stupid without them.

>>53988442
I was focusing more on whether that store owner's "girlfriend" was a "girl" or not (being transgender).

>The worst part of all, is that the body treats it as a gaping wound and tries to heal the pocket shut.


but damn, that sucks.

>>53988533
Black and Red

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>>53988533
Pretty hard to argue with the original scheme.

>>53988574
>there will never be a bayonetta style sister of battle game

>>53988352

With IG FW index out, the artillery / sentry guns outperforms them a lot

Sure they are less durable, but durability is less of a factor for a unit that can be parked behind blocking terrain and pump out no-los shots that cam hit 2 tables over.

>>53988533
White and blue with black hair.

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>>53988554
Ditto, the helmet is amazing. One of the reasons I fell in love with the army. GW seems to have been doing a pretty good job with including enough helmets for everyone on their sprues lately, so it seems like a good bet.

>>53988533
Mine are midnight blue with bone robes and gold detailing, I have the astetic taste of a downs child.

>>53988590

to be fair one deep striking scion/tactical squad is enough to kill the artillery crew of any emplaced gun.

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I recently learned that Malanthropes are now 90 points, somy list's point value has now sunk into the spot where I've got about 203 points to spare if I cut my warriors. Anyone have any recommendations on what to take to fill that points gap?

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>>53988420
Nope. I have that model and there's nothing there.

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>>53988632
All you need in one conscript squad or normal squad between them and that won't work. The crew can't be targeted unless they are the closest unit and it's easy enough to have 9" or less behind you and 10-50 dudes on the side of you.

>>53988679
im gonna be very disappointed if this isn't dolphin porn

>manticore battery entry says nothing about crew

Does it just not have any?

>>53988726
I'm going to be disappointed if there is less than 20GB of it.

>>53988710

At that point you're not even cheaper than a normal basilisk.

And its not really that difficult to kill 4 guardsmen at 24"

>>53988451
Nice panties on head

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>>53988201
Oh, I'm not expecting conversion to bring the price up, it's more that these are the conversions.

>>53988675
Biovores, another unit of Termagants, Toxin sacs and adrenal glands on the Trygon, just a few suggestions.

>>53988257
copyright doesn't require protection, trademarks do.

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>>53988451

>>53988535
Is Blood Angel ab and pec plate sexist?

>>53988815
>flamer with scope

>>53988451
>get rid of that shitty fucking boobplate

No thanks. If i wanted to play an army of tit-less women on their periods, i'd play blood angels.

>>53988770
Don't have biovores at the moment, but another unit of gaunts sounds good to me.

>>53988839
>just gonna stand there and watch you burn
>through my high resolution scope for best enjoyment

>>53987447
how do acolytes have 3 wounds? that has to be a typo, right?

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>>53988533
My next army will likely be sisters (GW give them a plastic kit plz, I don't want to have to deal with shady garden center russians). I plan on doing a Knight like this as well as the sisters and tempestus scions for the assassination I feel the sister's army needs (I've had a sisters army before)

Not sure what the exacts of the sisters will be, probably line and file troops and melta dominions in transports. Likely no seraphim, just use the scions for that. And celestine, derp

Why are ruststalkers now considered bad?

>>53988862
A Harpy or, if you're into Forge World, a Dimachaeron might be neat too.

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>One anon posts a single fic about sisters getting re-smelted
>suddenly everyone plays Sisters

>>53987116
There's no situation a sword or axe isn't objectively superior.

>>53988675
Moar 'gants.

>>53988897
Well they are T3 5+ and 8 ppm base.

Really, we just need Build-A-Follower. You can have a tanky dude whose had a Catachan father and Ogryn mother. T4 3 wounds.

You can have a sniper with a custom-made boltgun. Hits on 2+, but he's got nothing for CC and will die to a stiff breeze.

You can have a melee specialist with a power axe and storm shield. Or two knives and lots of attacks, anything.

Options are what we need.

>>53988979
>re-smelted
metal models are never smelted to begin with retard. They're made from molds just like plastic and resin models are.

>>53988856
kek

So with vets being shit, I've been trying to think of another way to use chimeras, what about this

>Chimera
>Command squad (lascannon+2 plasma)X3

That would be a serious amount of firepower to fill wherever you need it. You could swap the layout as you need to, something like HB+GLs or AC+GLs? Maybe even drop the third squad and chuck a lord commissar and company commander with powerfists/swords as some melee backup, and for those sweet orders.

Any thought?

>>53989027
Im well aware fucktard, fic is short for fiction, as in made up, in this case a made up story, that never the less people shit their pants over.

How fucking new to the comprehensive thinking and this site are you

>>53989037
Autocannon Chimera from FW could be neat.

>>53989048
People played sisters long before what ever the fuck you are talking about happened.

>>53989048
There's that reading comprehension problem again.

I never said anything about fix.

I'm telling you, for the second time now, that metal models are cast, not smelted.

>>53987686
I've played a few in the new edition and I like them, but beware of T8 models. It can become tough to bring enough answers to strong models at that point value.

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>>53988979
They're cooler than space marines, and now they have better rules than space marines. It's not really unusual that people would switch in some number.

>>53989054
Autocannon chimera
3x command squad autocannon 2 plasma gun

4 autocannons and 6 plasma guns is a pretty potent force to drop in where you need it. Especially since except the chimera it's all bs3+

Is there a point in playing non ultra vanilla marines? I feel like at 2k pts I need rowboat to be competitive. Vanilla has no other good melee option to anchor your list.

>>53989076
>newfag

>>53989080
>fix
try reading again, this time slowly, if you cant see the letters try the zoom feature built into your browser

>>53989091
Agreed on both parts, just the sheer volume of posts in the last thread and this are insane. Doesnt help its half tranny posting with them

>>53987614

I can't believe I'm taking this bait but every single other time GW intends a 1 in 6 chance, the dice roll needed is a 6 (for good things) or a 1 (for bad).

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>>53988758
It's realy not that hard to deny deep striking as guard. And all the units you can do it with will still be doing their normal job.

Fliers are a bigger threat but even then a unit with two earthshaker carriages can set up so the guns are the only unit that can be shot at.

If you have mostly infantry anyway they are a great choice.

>>53989121
Third time now: Metal models are cast in molds by pouring molten metal.

Not smelted.

Don't make me explain this to you again.

>>53989102
Autocannons are shit this edition though so why would you want one on a chimera?

>>53989037
3x command squad w/4 special weapons.

>>53989163

What?

Literally what?

How on earth can you come to this conclusion and still manage to breathe?

Did somebody meme this on you as a joke and you bit it hook, line and sinker?

>>53989163

>Autocannons are shit

This is the first edition where I've not said "Autocannons are the worst of the three main imperial machine guns".

7 -1 2 chewing at extreme range is really handy at dealing with middle class units.

How do i counter Taufags as a SM player?

>>53989178
>only 2 shots
>only 2 damage
>S6 and S8 are breakpoints, not S7
You're better off taking a multi-laser. You're still 2+ on T3, and 3+ on T4, but you get additional shots.

Heavybolters are better for anti-infantry and anti-large creatures.

Lascannons are better for anti vehicle and large creatures.

Autocannon occupies a spot with no niche whatsoever.

>>53987065
Kantor Poll anon here
http://www.strawpoll.me/13254152/r


Shit aint lookin good for chaos

>>53989211

They kill terminators and primaris better than either of the above.

>>53989207
Field literally anything because Tau are hot garbage this edition.

So the most competitive lists for marines I've been able to build are death watch. Help me tg.

I was thinking space wolves with a stormfang carrying a wulfen squad and a storm wolf carrying a maxed out blood claw squad with all the auras, but that seems like half of my army right there, maybe more.

Are predator destructors a good use of points or should I just take more stormfangs?

Are ven dreads with shield and axe playable?

I have so many questions for experienced players. If anyone wouldnt mind dropping their discord I'd like to pick their brain.

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>>53989149
Not that guy but the metal to cast said models was smelted you fucking moran

ORE IS SMELTED INTO METAL

AND THEN THE METAL IS MIXED TO FORM ALLOYS

AND THEN THE ALLOYS ARE CAST INTO MOLDS

AND THEN THE MOLDS THAT DONT SELL ARE SMELTED BACK INTO METAL

fucking newfags i swear
God damn summer shitters on my board
Reeeeeeeee

>>53989211
>No niche
>Being versatile is not a niche

Also they are really good against terminators,1/3 chance to kill them outright if they fail the save.

>>53989207
deep strike
complete 9 inch charge
punch blueberries
ez kill

>>53989149
Ah I see the confusion was in my use of the word smelting because the materiel is smelted before being poured into its molding

Just in case you dont know what smelting is:
>extract (metal) from its ore by a process involving heating and MELTING.

I shouldnt assume everyone works with metal on a daily basis or know literally anything about the process of creating things with it. My fault anon.

>>53989211

Autocannons are statistically close enough to HB and lascannons in damage against their primary targets to actually be a legitimate versatile choice.

>>53989207
Be less bad? Tau got pretty heavily nerfed.

If you're really struggling, take advantage of the fact that you can take special and heavy weapons on your relatively cheap infantry, while Tau have to load up on more expensive battlesuits.

>>53989251
>advertisements
>calls other people newfags.

>>53989251
>ORE IS SMELTED
4th time now.

Ore is smelted.

Models are not smelted.
>sisters getting re-smelted

Is wrong. Sisters are cast not smelted.

>>53989290
>doesnt realize phoneposting is the new meta

>>53989207

>He can't beat tau
must be playing with a chapter stuck with marinelets

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>Having to hide trannies, children who cant read and dont understand what smelting is in one thread

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Doing an underwater themed necrons, thinking of basing my warlord on a rock with a wave crashing against it but not sure how I'd do it (first time doing a non black base)

So foam for the rock, painted rhinox hide, some of that resin for the water over a layer temple guard blue, but how to do the sea spray?

>>53989338

but muh ordinary looking NEET 17-19 year old community college drop out is suddenly attractive (somehow) once they put on an awful wig and dress up as their strangely influenced image of a woman of the same age.

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Thoughts?

>>53989314
all chapters can take chadmarines though.

>>53988821
It would be if they were as heavily sexualized as tits are, and almost every male model that GW made had them.

>>53989346
>Not putting all of your models in clear glass cylinders filled with water as they march across the seafloor

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>>53989338
Source? I mean that's obviously edited from some doujin or something, source on original image?

>>53989346
Firstly fucking sick idea

Secondly im not sure that will be possible, the best way to do it will probably be to use a clear drying, very thick resin, and just work it up in layers over a couple weeks

But /wip/ might have better ideas than that, also try looking on modeling youtube videos (train ones etc)

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>>53989378
Even if I had the source I wouldnt tell you

>BBEG laugh

>>53989346
I read this as underwear theamed

>>53989346
This may help you out.
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2002/11/stuff_eng_tech_sea_water.htm

How are Admech in this edition? Good or bad?

>>53989373
It's not legal at my LGS.
>GW can't copyright seawater.

>>53989455
Everyone is waiting to see fires of cyraxus before deciding

>>53989356
What does an orbital array do?

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>>53989346
Why not model them as if they're rising out of the sea.

Like this, only more metallic. And have some of them "based" on their knees so it looks like the water is deeper. Then drape them in seaweed and such, kinda like flayers are draped in flesh.

>>53989472

So wait till 9th edition then?

>>53989474

once per game vindicator shot at long range

.net fag here again, I put together a design doc for a modular "list builder", and take what I am about to say to mean "once I have a prototype to demonstrate with..."

I have this framework in UE4 believe it or not, that makes it portable to phones easy. What it does is take an input file that is essentially a rule system for a specific game, think the SM codex, rules of MTG standard, something else /tg/ likes, and allows a graphical interface to build lists in that system.

Currently I have 3 main goals of it:
1) given your current army, have a (as much or as little as you want) detailed statistic/profile mode to view

2) a graphical "at a glance" mode so that you can see a picture for your unit/card/whatever along with the most important stats near it

3) an easy way to import a file that specifies the rules of the game system

Is there any interest in something like this or am I wasting my time

>>53989477
I think that's a cool idea for troops, but I like >>53989346 for characters. It's more of an 'action' pose. If that makes sense.

>>53989477
>>53989346
I want to say there's a bit of fluff about some SM fighting necrons at the tide line.

They knock them down beneath the waves and are enjoying fighting these slow robots when they suddenly started getting dragged under

Might be fanfic

>>53989489
Nah rumor has you guys waiting until 11th edition after lionel johnson wakes up in the 43rd milenium

>>53989511

Mm I think that was in a codex.

>>53989501
Do you have a github, website, or email address or something?

I need something identifying to post to GW facebook with.