Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53981662
>this drednought

Rebuttal to the chap who said Ancient Primaris was useless, I saw a batrep yesterday where the Ancient was with two squads of Hellblasters.

Every time one died, it could put out a supercharged blast with no consequence - it really made a difference at key points for example where 2 or 3 went down and then killed the monstrous creature that got 'em

Why are R&H considered to be trash-tier now?

>>53981640
>13th legion
>first
verily did I contemplate

So are corsairs as fucked as people say

>>53981589
Its actually mildly annoying since I find they dont do enough against marine/ chaos armies and get crumpled by skitari

hoever the hellblasters/ interceptors are useful enough and at least the captain is another option. In the end your best bet is to use the good dudes as support for a normal marine army.

>>53981629
Anyone got .pdf version of Codex Blood Angels: Red Thirst Edition? Or know what mega its in?

Just played a 1K point tournament as Deathwing. First game against furry niggers, second against weeb NPCs. Lost the first and nearly tied the second. Such is playing M5" armies in Maelstrom.

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Fires of Cyraxus when?

Are people still angry about the list builder thing?

Takes me a bout 40 seconds to slap together a great list with power level.

When first codexis?

>>53981677
There are really not corsairs anymore. Like ther are units, but no HQ, and no point in using them. They also have a punishing rule, but its worded in the way that you can opt to not use it.
Its a mess.

>>53981645
Mmmmm gotta love those freshly picked cherries.

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>>53981672
13th Legion, 1st in the eyes of the Emperor.

>>53981699
This is actually great b8, but I don't have a reaction image for that.

>>53981699
Takes a WAACfag 5 min to slap a list twice as powerful at the same "power level"

>>53981691
I want to know this too.

>>53981645
>lose warp jump and -4 rend on a 6
>gain -3 rend and a flamer ability
Doesn't seem ludicrous, I might have put them at more than 1ppm more, but I wouldn't put anyting like doubling it on. Everything else is basically canceld out, moral nonsense swaps whether you or the enemy get it, 1/36 chance of losing a model for hard to hit isn't a big deal, assualt 1 becoming assault 3 if you keep hitting is only marginally better than assault 2 (by like 0.07 hits on bs3+)

>>53981719
>>53981719
Really, I've played 2 games with power level so far and its quite balanced.

For my last game I had 48 PL and my opponent had 52 PL, in the end I won, so being slightly lower or higher makes no big difference, and we added up the points in the end and I only had 100 points more than my opponent.

>>53981645
Oh, did not noticed Spectres are now Elite. Nice.

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>>53981699
>angry
More like disappointed. It had its issues, but it was a great listbuilder. I'm much better with visuals/picturebook style than staring at battlescribe.

>>53981741
>I had 100 points more than my opponent and won
>powerlevel suggested I was the underdog though
What a beneficial anecdote to your point.

>>53981684
>interceptors
they're called Inceptors, and they're overcosted in my humble opinion.

>>53981689
>Just played a 1K point tournament as Deathwing. First game against furry niggers, second against weeb NPCs. Lost the first and nearly tied the second. Such is playing M5" armies in Maelstrom.
Reports?
Also, M5"? I thought Marines were M6"?
Also also, which weebs? Gundams or knife ears?

>>53981691
Probably never.

>>53981711
fatt ward pls go

>>53981691
>Fires of Cyraxus
new player here. What does that imply?

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>>53981699

>>53981770
He's M5 because of Deawthwing Terminators

>>53981662
That Custode looks like he's just so happy to be out on the field killing things again.

>>53981756
It's pasta

>>53981770
>Inceptors
oops

But either way I am inclined to agree, since they easily go down for their cost and are only a squad of three.

Though I think compared to the nutacs they are more usefull, but then again most things in the set are kind of eh.

>>53981772
It's an upcoming book that will give us Mechanicus players an ungodly pile of new stuff, as well as hopefully fixing the massive holes in our book. Been delayed forever, it's been "Almost Here" since a year ago at least.

>>53981790
Not really, its just me telling the same story in slightly different ways.

>>53981772
Next Imperial Armor book (IA14) from Forgeworld. Except they ditched the Imperial Armor titles and numbers. Supposedly about Tau attacking a Forgeworld.

>>53981789
As opposed to the depressed Dread in the back

>>53981640
How much points is the Primaris half of the Dark Imperium? 1000?

>>53981810
962, I think.

>psykers have ~10% chance to eat D3 damage every time they try to do something

>>53981796
>>53981806
Oh, neat. I almost brought the Skitarii/Admech starter set, I might reconsider it.

>>53981770
Terminators are M5.

Game 1 was fairly anticlimatic, he mostly won because he successfully obtained the Priority Orders victory points. On top of that my units are absolute garbage against fliers.

Game 2 was full of some of the most retarded shit. My Deathwing Knights are wiped out by some Tau Railguns and Belial proceeds to attack one of those flying Tau ships which literally cannot hit him because of his -1 to hit rule. So we had a Terminator captain with a sword nearly bust a tank. On top of that the objective rules were funny as fuck, I obtained 3 victory points for defending a single objective alone because he also had a secure objective for the same target. In the end the thing that got him to win out was him slaying Belial. May he rest in peace, that tankbusting madman.

Tomorrow is 2K so the Ravenwing are joining the field. I expect the results to be a lot better.

>>53981814
> ~10%
Thats a b8?

Any commpents?

Ynnari armi (1492)

>Vanguard detachment (878)
Warlock skyrunner - Singing spear, Conceal (94)
Warlock skyrunner - Singing spear, Enhance (94)
10 shadow specters 230
10 shadow specters 230
10 shadow specters 230

>Outrider detachment (614)
Autarch skyrunner - Mandiblaster, 2x Death spinner (120)
Yvraine (132)
5 Swooping hawks - Exarch, Sunrifle (89)
5 Swooping hawks - Exarch, Sunrifle (89)
5 Swooping hawks - Exarch, Sunrifle (89)
Venom - 2x Splinter cannon (95)

>>53981629
does a wrecking ball mean that the trukk ALWAYS have 3 attacks despite having like 1 wound?

the strength would be lowered of course.

>>53981815
>Starting 40k with a Forge World army
I hope you dont like eating.

>>53981830

Not everybody is a poorfag

>>53981823
Drat, meant 5%.

Carry on soldier.

>>53981813
Damn, son. They don't look that much.

Chaos daemons really struggle in sub 2000 point games.

Leadership seven all over. Have to take greater daemons to counter that. Greater daemons are huge fire magnets.

If I am not rolling hot fire with invulns the games are over quick.

Khorne dogs are still auto take.
Blood letters are nine point fodder with better power swords.

Khorne chariots are pretty nice but slow as fug.

Maulerfiend is a firemagnet but a beast in cc.

>>53981840
Why 5%? its 1/36 so its only 2.7%

>>53981814
Remember Anon, it's Psychic-heavy players' fault for picking the wrong srmies in the Edition We Asked For, so we should be punished in completely random fashion unlike every single other army's gimmick.

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>>53981844

>Playing inferior demons without psychic powers

>>53981830
lolwut
I would have brought the stuff from GW, in FW they only have that fuckhuge cannon.

>>53981844
Post your list? I love demons, a buddy of mine has been expanding his Khorne army lately and I'm pretty hyped to play against it in 8th

>>53981852
Snake eyes or box cars.

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Damn what a hell of a ride. I recently joined 40k within the 7th/8th edition jump and played my first game yesterday vs Necrons with my new AdMechs (Skitarii box) at around 500 points (actually 1k because I teamed up with another 500 pts guy)

>Crawler being a beast and shot a Scarab-Thingy down within Round 1
>Vanguards did a pretty good job advance, shoot and keep the Crawler save from being in CC
>Dominus was the MVP even being in CC he kept himself and the Crawler alive with his repairs
>The Canticles were really good, especially when charging in the Vanguard while having "Litany of the Electromancer" up

I'm hyped to play more games now. Would you recommend trying out 7th too? Some peeps in my FLGS are hard on the train of "dude 8th sucks go play 7th". I liked the 8th, and most of the guys there agree that 8th>7th so far.

This is the worst edition ever. I was not so pissed since Hitler tried to invade Stalingrad.

>>53981843
They don't perform it, either

>>53981907
>Would you recommend trying out 7th too?
No.
Also nice to hear a good story for once.

>>53981830
i dont really like eating, but still can offer only 1 box from GW every 3 months

>>53981853
>I should be able yo spam mortal wounds, and other buffs with no consequences
Kek, mutants get rekd

>>53981907
Don't play 7th. It's a bloated unbalanced mess that makes playing the game a chore. I'm glad you had fun in your first game my dude

>>53981829
answer me you cucks

>>53981926
Might wanna consider a cheaper hobby then.

>>53981907
7e is better, but you will not like it.
You need to know alot of rules by heart and utilise them to outmaneuver you opponent.

>>53981934
No

>>53981844
Leadership 7 isn't bad leadership in 8th, especially not on 8 man squads, losing half your men causes 3.5 men back on a 1, nothing on a 2,3, one on a 4, two on a 5, 3 on a 6. For roughly half a man lost on average. Hardly something you desperatly need to spend 300+ points on a model to mitigate.

>>53981935
But i like warhammer 40k from being 6 years old and now im 18, so its big part of my life
And i always can open tabletop simulator to play with anons

>>53981944
then wtf does it mean? the text clearly states that you can ONLY attack three times with the weapon.

Meaning only 3 times ever. Not 4. Not 1. Therefore you always have 3 attacks?

>>53981961
No

>>53981907
Playing 7th with all the codecies that were out when 7th dropped and you'll have a better time than playing with the ones that were out when 7th ended. I still think I prefer 8th.

>>53981961
No as in, no we won't give you an answer

>>53981671
pls respond

>>53981825

What's dieing to trigger soulburst? No yvraine for Word of the Phoenix? You know her and the Yncarne are the only ones who can cast Revenant spells right?

>>53981821
How did he kill Belial if he was locked in melee?
>>53981914
Yeah, hate that movie for this scene alone.
>>53981934
Ok, here's a (You).

>>53981974
Or play without formations.

>>53981755
>I'm much better with visuals/picturebook style than staring at battlescribe.
>I am like a young child

>be Magnus
>be most brutal melee monster Chaos can field short of Warlord Titan

How can Khornefags even compete?

>>53981825
You've taken a venom, but the only unit that can go in it is the Yvraine. You lack the ability to deal with any t7+ units, in a faction with dark lances.

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>>53981825
>Yvraine (132)
>>53981983
Ha?

>>53981982
This question is asked once per thread in the exact same terms. People grew tired of it.
Basically, they lost flavor - like every other faction, but apparently it's more dramatic for them because reasons.

>>53981987
What is wrong with formations in 7th? As far as I know, 8th has Detachments or Formations which geant some minor bonus on those Combat Points right? What's the difference?

>>53981940
Is it better because it's far more build up over the years or other reasons?

>>53981930
>>53981925
Okay. Seems like there is a lot of hate/disregard for 7th now since 8th is out? Why do people still cling on 7th though?

>Why do people still cling on 7th though?
Gronards gonna gronard. Change is hard for autists to deal with.

>>53982023
Without their flavorful HQs and abilities, they're just shitty chaos/shitty IG.

>>53981940
>7e is better
No

>>53981984
He retreated and then his commander opened fire on the poor guy. Such is life when your primary means of transportation is teleporting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoFMV7kHpFo

Tyranids vs Guard at 2k points

Tyranids go first, get some turn 1 charges and Mawloc shenanagins.

Tyranids get tabled at turn 3. Stormsword with 6 heavy flamers OP. Guard orders OP.

>>53981982
Basically they are the same price as guard, but objectively worse, and they lost the upgrades that made them workable. When I stop phone posting, I will make an info graphic for everyone

>>53981907
7th was god awful.

>>53982024
People hated 7th when 7th was out too. It was several editions worth of band aid rules that made it an overcomplicated mess.

>>53982024
Cos there are formations that let you deep-strike charge turn 1, remove unit from table and then put it back next turn with all destroyed models back/all one-shot weapoins refuled, 5 wraithknights that add +1 to their MOVE, CHARGE, WS AND BS for each other wraithknght in formations (aka +5), ravenwing bikers with 2+ rerollable cover saves, riptide wing who can fire 4 TIMES per turn once per battle (but after this turn game is over, so who cares) and reroll nova reactors, and thats just few

>>53981916
That's sad. How can I save them? Will another bolter squad, a scout squad, a Deredeo dreadnought and a Predator suffice? Aiming at 1500

>>53982024
>What is wrong with formations in 7th?
They give varied bonus for taking specific units. Problem was some of these formations were just absurdly good - adding a huge bonus if you spammed already OP units (Riptidewings), or giving you free shit if you took enough models (Battle company, War convocation), things like that.
It wouldn't have been a problem if it was flavorful bonuses instead of game-breaking ones to sell models.

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Rolled 1, 3, 1, 3, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 1 = 22 (10d3)

So should i just play guard now?

>>53982013
Until mortarian and angron come out.....

>>53982062
Why are people still looking at battle reports.

8th is out, I think a combined hundred or so games was played at my LGS in one day.

I've got well over two dozen games under my belt already if we include smaller/allied games too, average about 1~2 hours a match.

Go out and play. Stop watching shitty badrule youtubers play

>>53982021

Yeah saw it after my bad!

>>53982105
I feel like Mortarion will be overall tougher but hits less hard. Then Angron will be unholy hell on earth in melee.

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Warmacucks btfo, dead game for babies

>>53982024
Because it have fluffy rules like
"Hammer of Wrath" - Jump packs Bikes and Jetbikes do an auto hit on charge to represnt the force of impact with wich they crash into the enemy.
Or stuff like actual tank combat, where Battle Cannon Leman Russ can 1-shot fire prism turn 1 from other side of the field if he rolls 6 on weapon damage table as vehicles could just EXPLODE if hit with powerful weapons, instead of being peppered for 10 years.
Its has alot more 40k feel to it.

>>53982093
Renegade is literally the worst faction now.

There's no "niche" no "game-mastery" or other "spam" that can lift it up to mediocre.

They are strictly bad, and become even worse when all other factions get real CODEX and they are still stuck with index.

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>>53982128

>>53982113
Not everyone has an active scene next to them.

>>53982113
My 1000 point game took like 4 hours. We actually had infantry units, are you just playing games with Knights and super heavies like a super fag?

>>53982139
D'you think there's any chance they'll get an updated army list?

>>53982128
>Not using it as a proxy army

>>53982139
?

What happened to them?

>>53982147
how the hell did a 1000 point game take 4 hours?

>>53982139
But what if just take imperial renegade vehichle for CSM army?

>>53982128
>some Orks
>some Bugs
>IG stuff
its like pottery

>>53982062
The guy who plays nids is terrible. He also lost with Tau in one of their BRs. I think they bring him in to lose.

>>53981861
The book in question is supposed to bring the 30k mechanicum line into 40k. It essentially doubles the number of mechanius units.

>>53982080
Oh damn. They told me that 7th was more fleshed-out and fluffy with more stuff like different armors on tanks for sides, more stuff for unit formations and many more. Guess it was a trap to lure me in, huh?

>>53982086
>>53982091
That sounds awfully imbalanced. Fuck.

>>53982133
That was some of the stuff I was told. Also, having side and rear armor on vehicles, only being able to kill tanks with anti-tank weapons and not some knifes etc. etc.

>>53982172
>only being able to kill tanks with anti-tank weapons
This is b8, every weapon that was worthwhile in 7th was anti-everything

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>>53982006
>I am a bitter asshole who hates people different than me

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>>53982113
>I think a combined hundred or so games was played at my LGS in one day
One was played at mine today and wasn't even in it.

I wish I had friends.

>>53982172
To be fair, I think it's stupid that 20 marines can beat a tank to death with their dicks and a little bit of luck.

Stop using the phrase "bury/drown in saves" to refer to a 5 model unit shooting someone 10 times with low AP weaponry.

>>53982172
Watch some battle report videos to what its all about, there should be alot for 7E.

>>53981629
fucking kek

>>53982169
I understand now.
And yeah that sounds money consuming as fuck.

>>53982183
I can only repeat what people told me. They said to me that 8th was shit because "you can literally bumrush a tank with knifes an make it explode what a pile a hot shit ist this". Stating that you coulnd't do similar in 7th without decent equipped weapons.

>>53982105
I don't think that they will have the right mix of price, durability, speed and melee rape that make Magnus so good.

Dude is just brutally efficient for his points.

>>53982199
>terminator captain with power sword crashes tau tank
makes sense tbqh lad

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Thoughts?

>>53982147
Infantry spam is the the fucking meta W-O-R-L-D-W-I-D-E, yes there's knight armies too but they rarely play against each other.

You don't have to be super fiddly in 8th with infantry placement, and there's usually not movement in all phases anymore. Just move+advance. Super faster, people move infantry by shoving them forward with the whole arm or by the fistfull. The "niggling" one by one infantry platoon movement is gone.

Play the fucking game.

>>53982149

Renegade (and all other subfactions) is all but confirmed not get ANYTHING, the reasoning is that they will get semi-'updated' when the real IG codex gets out.

They will get index ONLY. Be happy if you see a renegade FAQ adding the character KEYWORD to our Enforcers in two years.

>>53982172
>only being able to kill tanks with anti-tank weapons and not some knifes etc. etc
That is still pretty much the case tbhq. Bolters or w/e "can" hurt thanks, but if you've ever tried killing a land raider with them you know its pretty much impossible.

>>53982183
Every tank that was worthwiile could not be glanced by anything less than S6.
And if you show your rear armor you are moron.

>>53982210
That's rather hard to do in practice. It's hard to get enough models in melee range to kill a tank in a reasonable amount of time.
And then the tank just drives away and the army around it shoots the unit that charged the tank to shreds.

>>53981739
You don't think 10-60 (average 35) strength 5, AP -1 shots on the fly is ludicrous for 1 ppm more?

Their speed would allow them to dance through ork hordes and wreak havoc. Especially when they can only be hit on 6s and then have 3+ saves to keep them safe.

>>53982210
Better bum-rushing a tank with a million knives than having it shot to the ground by a single grav cannon.

>>53982236
>And if you show your rear armor you are moron.

That's why everybody used deep striking units. Or just spammed haywire, grav, or Str D, and not give a fuck about armour facing anyway

>>53982201
No

>>53982228
Why is being a hereticfag such suffering? we have been getting fucked since the eye of terror supplement.

I thought this was the CHAOS NEEDS MORE LOVE edition!?

Wtf I hate "new Games Workshop(tm)" now!

>>53982228
>Infantry spam is the the fucking meta W-O-R-L-D-W-I-D-E, yes there's knight armies too but they rarely play against each other.
>You don't have to be super fiddly in 8th with infantry placement, and there's usually not movement in all phases anymore. Just move+advance. Super faster, people move infantry by shoving them forward with the whole arm or by the fistfull. The "niggling" one by one infantry platoon movement is gone.
>Play the fucking game.

>making illegal or inefficient pile in/consolidation moves because you're too lazy to play a horde army properly.

>>53982172
>Oh damn. They told me that 7th was more fleshed-out and fluffy with more stuff like different armors on tanks for sides, more stuff for unit formations and many more. Guess it was a trap to lure me in, huh?

All that stuff existed, but it was all terrible. 8th is much better, and people who still say 7th was better are probably the people who got played OP riptide wings or other dumb shit.

>>53982219
Pretty good, though gw and fw insists on giving orks a shit save for.no reason

>>53982201
Yesterday my squad with 2 remaining GK shot at an Ork Weirdboy with their stormbolters and drowned him in saves.

>>53982234
It literally takes thousands of lasgun shots to reliably kill a Land Raider.

>>53981629
how many points is a 'ard case for a battlewagon? it doesnt say in the list?

Hmm thinking about it, flamers are pretty dang good vs melee units, even if you have to retreat every time since to charge again, your opponent will have to eat autohit overwatchs.

Makes Hellhounds great so long as they aren't fully surrounded.

>>53982236
And every weapon that was worthwhile was at least s6 ap2, and would be used en masse to delet tanks in one turn with explodes! bullshit. The heaviest armour in the game was made paper thin by the same guns that you were going to use to get rid of infantry anyways. 7th was not a good edition at all.

Talk to me about Rapiers. Does it look like Laser Destroyers will still be the weapon of choice?

>>53982210
Basically, instead of wound they rolled D6 for armor penetration on every hit and added S of weapon, aka S3 weapon had maxiumum penetration was 6+3=9, minimum armor of vehicle is 10, Land raider is 14 on all sides, so only weapons of S8 could even glance (remove hit point) it. There were also penetrating hits, that could outright blow vehicle up, or destroy one of the weapons, stun the crew ect.
And most vehicles had 3 hit points, while light ones like land speedr had 2.
Vehicles did not had armor saves tho (only cover/invuln thru some xeno technology)

>>53982277
You mean 'no reason other than it's metal scrap welded together right?
Also, nice digits

>>53981671
Check the previous thread.

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>Up to two Plague Marines may take a plasma pistol, or replace their boltgun with a blight launcher or one item from the Special Weapons list.

Please pretend English is not my primary. Plague Marines may have a maximum of one Special Weapon?

These are options?
1. Plasma Pistol x2
2. Plasma Pistol & Blight Launcher
3. Plasma Pistol & Special Weapon
4. Blight Launcher x2
5. Blight Launcher & Special Weapon

Anyone found any daemon configs that work? Tried Khorne/Nurgle a few times, going to try Khorne with some Tzeentch. Daemons seem to have been hit pretty hard, end up getting shot off the board pretty quickly now and no decent ranged for pure daemons list either.

>>53982273
>What is pre-measure
>What is both players help to move the horde army

It's like you're not even trying.

No wonder why your 1k games take 4 hours.

Loving Every Laugh.

>>53982331
Two plague can take pistols, OR the same two plague can take special weapons instead of the pistol.

>>53982331
Both Plague Marines are allowed to replace their bolter with a blight launcher or one special weapon. That means a unit can have 2 plasma pistols, 2 blight launchers, 2 special weapons, or any combination of any of those three options.

>>53982331
Sounds like they can have two special weapons to me

>>53982331
Each can get one weapon from Special Weapons. So, two guys with plasma, launcher, weapons or any combination of those.

>>53982331
Plasma
Plasma x2
Plasma & blight
Plasma & special
Blight
Blight & blight
Blight & special
Special
Special & special

>>53982113

> 12:38am
> Just go play at your LGS

This fucking faggot.

>>53982331
All these anons are right:
>>53982334
>>53982351
>>53982357
>>53982359
>>53982362
But notice how the special weapons/launcher replaces a bolter, while the plasma pistol is on top of the bolter.

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>>53981640
>Manlet loyalists go full heretek and still cannot compete with Thousand Sons

When will they learn?

>>53982351
>>53982357
>>53982359
>>53982362
>>53982371
Thank you for clarification. I was confused that it says "up to two PM may take...or ONE item" instead of "an item".

>>53982373
What's it like on the bottom of the world?

>>53982373
>has access to LGS
>still bases his opinion on idiots on youtube who gets paid to play yet still make massive rule mistakes in every video

>>53982334
>>53982378
didn't mean to quote you sorry

>>53982382
>wearing silly hats to appear taller than you are

lel

>>53982382
I think the funny hats is a bit of a cheating move.

>>53982382
>tfw dustlets wear autistic headpieces to make up for being 5'6

>want to play warhammer
>LGS is full of 12 year olds
Damn it I hate new places

>>53982219
Its decent, Bigg Trakk with Supashoota is cheaper with a similar gun.

The Gigashoota is kind of a trap option, 21 shots average, 10 hits at str 6 is not that impressive for 300 points.

>>53982382
>he doesn't put plasticard under their feet until they look like KISS

>>53982334
Daemons are still good, you just to take big monsters now.

Spamming 1w models with +5 won't get you anywhere. We don't have real vehicles so we gotta take monsters. It's that easy.

>>53982382
Really wish MKIII's were larger, I love that armour.

>>53982413
They play MTG

>>53982398
>i-i-it doesn't c-count because *wipes sweat off brow* it doesn't count because it's, um, it's just a part of his arms, uh, I mean armor *Pumps inhaler*

He's a Rubric, anon. He is the armour. The head piece is a part of his body. Sit down.

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>>53982413
>want to play 40k
>one lgs is ran by a blue hair tyrant
>only waacfags go there
>one is usually packed with dnd
>the one down the street cut off their non card game support because the owner got asspained over a game of 40k
>two other stores never have 40k players around but plenty of table space
>GW is at the edge of town and i don't know the schedules of the regulars
Suffering

>>53982432
So... greater daemons, soul grinders and daemon princes with a few minimum sized squads of lessers as tax?

>>53982438
You mean MTGO

How many apothecary+standard bearers should I be fielding 1k points?

>>53982432
This is the worst advice I've seen yet.

Got a 1500 point 8th 'tournament' coming up. Not a serious affair but just my local getting people into testing out 8th. Thoughts?

>Adeptus Mechanicus Battalion Detachment - 3CP (6CP) (1496)
>HQ (282)
Tech Priest Dominus - Eradication Beamer, Macrostubber, Omnissian Axe (141)
Tech Priest Dominus - Eradication Beamer, Macrostubber, Omnissian Axe (141)
>Troops (263)
5 Vanguard - 2 Plasma Caliver, 3 Rad Carbine (78)
5 Vanguard - 2 Plasma Caliver, 3 Rad Carbine (78)
5 Rangers - 2 Transurbic Arquebus, 3 Galvanic Rifle, Omnisprex (107)
>Elites (292)
5 Infiltrators - 5 Starcarbines and 5 Power Swords (120)
5 Infiltrators - 5 Starcarbines and 5 Power Swords (120)
Cybernetica Datasmith - Gamma Pistol, Powerfist (52)
>Fast Attack (150)
Ironstrider Ballistarii - Twin Cognis Autocannon (75)
Ironstrider Ballistarii - Twin Cognis Autocannon (75)
>Heavy Support (509)
Onager Dunecrawler - Neutron Laser, Cognis Heavy Stubber x2 (151)
Onager Dunecrawler - Icarus Array, Cognis Heavy Stubber (138)
Kastelan Robots - 3 Heavy Phosphor Blasters x2 (220)

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>>53982434
>tfw plague marines have terminator-sized legs

Doghouse was ahead of his time.

>>53982455
I mean I THROW THIS CARD AT YOUR FACE

>>53982458
Depending on your list, anywhere between 0 and 1

>>53982090
they sorely Lack good anti-horde and good melee.

Specifically they need more melee, and one of two heavy anti-tank things wouldn't go astray.

Basically, the Inceptors are good at hitting and running, but don't have the firepower for hordes, I suspect if used right they could fuck up non-horde inf, like hwts or tau gunlines, or characters if they get behind protective lines.
The Hellblasters are essentially anti-heavy infantry, and anti-light vehicles / small monsters. They lack the umf for real anti-tank stuff.
The primaris tac duders are just a good gunline. Not good in Close combat at all.

>>53982413
You'd rather hang around 30yo neckbeards that keep talking about the renaissance fair and malty vs 'hoppy' beer ?

Constantly trying to 'take over' the LGS with their podcasts and youtube video marathons and "pre-game" organization and their fucking signups

>>53981645
Only thing I didn't like from the IG index was that Death Korps engineers for whatever reason cannot he attached the breaching drill anymore.

>>53982459
Keep spamming you daemonettes LOL

learn to use high T and high W models

>>53982497
Brimstone horrors are more effective tanks for your characters than any other unit available to Daemons. When your characters get into range, you can summon appropriate units to deal with the enemy.

>>53982510
> le daemon conscript meme

Good luck with that champ.

>>53982489
>fucking singups
Well you piqued my intrest there.

>>53982228
>Don't have to be fiddly in 8th ed.
>Unit placement is not important in edition with assault consolodation that allows you to move into other units.

Poor poor anon, when the khorne or ork assault hits you for the first time it is going to be painful.

>>53982489
>podcasts
Oh don't get me fucking started you cunt, i can deal with the batrep guys any day of the week since i mostly play apoc and its fun to chronicle the 12 hour battles, but podcast fuckers can go to hell. Fuck em.

>>53982432
...what? You can summon the vast majority of your forces straight into your enemies' faces. Why would you footslog them? Things like Berserkers and brimstones are great.

>>53982510
>Not spamming Heralds of Tzeentch behind those Brimstone Horrors for 13 D3 mortal wounds each turn

>>53981959
Having too much money to spend on this money is not a good thing tbqh fampai
You should buy moderately and paint as much as you can. People with too much to spend, and too eager to spend it, end up with boxes of stuff, barely opened, everything still on the sprue, not to mention their grey tide on the table. 1 Starter box every 3 months is basically perfect for starting out. It will take a while for you to get your minis table ready, if they are your first. And with the starter, you can play straight away, most boxes are a decent 500 point army.

>>53982515
They shouldn't necessarily be fielded in the hundreds, but the utility of a 2ppm 4++ unit as a screening unit is hard to deny.

>>53981645
Spectres aren't garbage anymore nice

>>53982537
Rip SC Eldar, can't even make a Patrol.

>>53982525
>chaos deamons
>berserkers

>>53982438
The children play respectable games like Yu'Gi'Oh and Age of Sigmar, its the neckbeards who play magic

Why are Imperiumfags and Xenos cocksuckers so annoying?

>>53982463
Unless you are obsessed with single-army lists you might trade a dominis for a manticore, which costs the same for the best artillery in the game.

Okay, so in 7th and 6th edition there was a penalty for shooting through a unit of your own dudes in the form of the target unit receiving a cover save.

In 8th, I can't find anything similar for shooting through one of your own units other than it saying
>'Models can see through other models in IT'S OWN unit'

so does that mean other units that are your own can block LOS (I mean infantry, obviously) and if so, what penalty is there?

>>53982543
You can't win with screening or S3T3 1W "assault masters"

You need characters, you need big meaty guys flopping their dicks around and fly-charging over models to rape the opponent aura characters in the face.

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>>53981777
>soul

>>53982467
So the size creep game is real then. Time to ditch my deathwing army idea

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>>53982537
I already got like 500pts army from ebay and think about what paints i need for alpha legion force
>>53982564
In my LGS on weekend only cgildren come to MTG and only 4 neckbeards come to WH and bloodbowl 9dont know who plays AoS)

>>53982024
>Why do people still cling on 7th though?
because nerds resist change, and don't want to learn new rules. Its just the way it is. 7th was a mess. It wasn't just more complicated in its core rules (like tank facing etc) with all the supplements and everything it became a clusterfuck. Not to mention all the pointless arguments over tank facings, obscure rules, tank shocking etc.
In theory tank facing sounds good, and I would have still liked some kinda buff to shooting at something from behind, but it was a pain to figure out what face someone was attacking, and often RAW it made little logical sense. You couldn't just target it. Add on top of this the cover rules and it was just fucking unbearable

>>53982062
So many fucking mortal wounds. Jesus...

>>53982580
You don't win with screening, but it's an important thing to consider given how prevalent melee is in 8e. A blob of brims is great for protecting heralds, or blocking charging lanes towards your juicier stuff. Point for point, you are unlikely to find a more durable unit.

>>53982577
If theres a big-ass rhino blocking the sight of your opponent you can't shoot because you don't see target.

If your target is partially obscured AND infantry it gets cover.

Nothing else gets cover from blocking models. (unless it's in ruins)

>>53982574
Canticles Brah. As far as I understood it we lose them if we take Imperium as the keyword.

>>53982477
I see. I'll buy stuff to cover that.
Thanks a bunch.

>>53982577
The penalty is obviously that if enemy units can't look through your blocking unit, your own unit behind it also can't see shit

Two local Ork players already found that out the hard way. The packed their Ork Boy mobs in that meme formation, deployed their lootas behind it ... and the lootas could shoot fuck all for a turn or two.

>>53982565
Because they aren't as enlightened gentelmen with refined intelligence like us chaos players.

>>53982593
Its insane. I started with 7th and the moment i heard 8th was in the works it was like a wave of relief came over me. I didnt even really care if my army was better or worse i was just fed up with the convoluted bullshit that was the 7e ruleset

>>53982580
>240 points for belakor
>dies in one round to a FRSRF conshit blob's shooting (150 points)

How are you going to rape the aura characters anyways, when they're surrounded by screening units?

Are you deliberately trying to give the worst advice possible?

>>53982612
Right, I get all that

But what i'm saying is can someone argue that an interceding unit (yours or theirs) of infantry can count as partially obscuring?

lets say I wanted to shoot some fire warriors behind a screen of pathfinders for the sake of argument

if they are 'partially obscuring' the fire warriors, do they get that cover save?

It seems strange from a fluffy standpoint in this edition since cover now just adds to your armor instead of being a 'you missed' save.

>>53982613
You only lose them if you have mixed detachments. Shove non admech in a seperate detachment to keep canticles

>put stealth suits near fire warriors
>when they get charged, not only do the fire warriors shoot their carbines as well but also their photon grenades
>enemy is now at -2 to hit

>>53982662
>Assuming that the one photon grenade you're allowed to throw hits during an overwatch attack

>>53982593
>put tanks on square bases
>you can now see if they're in the arcs easily
So easy to solve, but no let's just make everything have the profile of infantry.

>>53982630
What? Are you sure you've actually played the game?

Unless they've taken stupid huge blocks of 50+ boyz then it should be easy to draw line of sight through a mob.
Even easier when boyz and their gorilla poses give them such a low profile that that other infantry tower over them.

>>53982650
Because I'm playing in 8th, and you're still clinging on to 7th gimmicks and spam shit.

Wake up.

>>53982139
The only thing its good for is adding Basilisks to Iron Warriors armies again, or putting some Thrall Sorcerers into your Thousand Sons.

I'm going full counts-as IG. I'm grabbing some Taurox Primes for my many Renegade Grenadier Squads with Plasma guns.

>>53982555
its a great SC tho

Here's one for you all. In red hot lesbian admech-on-admech action, does the chosen canticle affect both armies (i.e. it overwrites whatever your opponent picked in their turn)?

>>53982681
I mean, it gets d6 shots, and if you habe multiple squads you can toss more than one easily

>>53982681
It's pretty close to 50% to hit with d6 shots on overwatch. Not that farfetched.

>>53982697
>7th edition gimmicks often allowed people to play hero hammer, with low model count armies based on special characters.
>8th edition did away with a lot of the gimmicks that allowed this (wasted AP, toughness completely negating low strength weaponry, stacking saves beyond the ability of models to overcome), and made horde armies completely viable

And you say I'm living in the past. It's like everything you're saying is deliberately wrong.

>>53982093
If you're playing pure Renegades you are better off going guard rules most of the time. The renegades list is pretty much relegated to Chaos allies.

>>53982155
That's my plan. Emperors children with artillery and Valkyrie support.

>>53982172

>They told me that 7th was more fleshed-out and fluffy with more stuff like different armors on tanks for sides, more stuff for unit formations and many more.
>fleshed-out and fluffy
>more stuff for unit formations

Sure, you had a good deal of choice for formations, but basically everything was hot garbage unless you were playing massed Eldar Scatterlaser jetbike Eldar with Wriathknights allied with a Tau Riptide Wing. Taudar it was called, and it's an example of what was basically the meta for 7e. Yeah, an entire galaxy built of Eldar and Tau alliances; fluffy.

Hence why there are so many Tau Riptides and other choking up eBay right now, and Tyranids and Orks are being prospected for new WAAC potential. Also a few people that have been memed and went for Conscript spam, but massed weak infantry is actually a lot worse since you can't spam them in such huge numbers due to not being able to start with negative or zero command points.

>>53982705
It's good value with nice units, but it fails at the basic purpose of a SC, which is to provide a small self-contained army. Windriders are no longer troops; it should be some Guardian flavor in there instead.

>>53982694
They had multiple max sized blocks, and they put all the orks from each and every mob in base to base contact with eachother.
Opponents only had one or two units taller than infantry ... which started in reserves to avoid getting shot before being able to do anything.

>>53982722
>not IW with artillery
Anyway, whats will be good for Alpha?

>>53982722
You can't stick any emperor's children units in valkyries with the new renegade rules.

>>53982686
I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but the firing arc of a hull weapon would not be the square corners on a base on a tank (which is a common mistake people made over and over)
And it makes literally no difference for shooting at a vehicle, you're still drawing lines all over the fucking table, even if the infantry shooting the tank could clearly target the sides.

>>53982723
Don't forget the Culexus assassin or Sisters of Silence to shut down psykers that were also always present

Can a character attempt to summon a daemon after disembarking from a transport?

>>53982660
you would lose 1CP for that

I've heard very conflicting things about Orks. Where do they stand now?

What are the defining traits of each Primarch?

>>53982707
nope, your canticles are yours alone

>>53982656
I'll break it down real simple for you.

I don't think you're an idiot, but I'll still use that kind of language. No offense.

You can only get cover saves from TERRAN, RUINS and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe wrecks.

There's only one real 'weird' scenario that spawns from this;

Standing with one toe *ON* +1 cover terrain but still "out in the open" and not obscured by ANYTHING = could be argued not to be in cover.

Standing with one toe *ON* +1 cover terrain but still "out in the open" and obscured obscured by models other than the shooting one = 100% COVER

>>53982768
Top tier.

>>53982662
Not enough range to use grenades effectively :- )

>>53982768
I think they're the best faction in the game right now.

They're a horde army in hordehammer 40k, with the best ability of all the horde armies to ignore the morale phase.

>>53982739
Honestly I run Alpha Legion with loyalist models and rules.

Red pill me on the Ynarri HQ'S anons.

Why does no one seem to be taking the Visarch or Yncarne? Is Yvraine good or just a revenant power spam

When are we going to get truescale primaris? They should be like twice the height of a guardsman.

>>53982719
>Daemons
>hero hammer

Please just wake up. You're not this dumb.

Open eyes. Take a deep breath. Read your own inane shit.

>>53982802
Alpha have only 1 named character now and its in chaos FW index

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>>53981691

This is the coolest thing I've ever seen. What's that scorpion and where can I buy it??

>>53982810
Do you even have an argument at this point?

>>53982816
Brass Scorpion of Khorne from forgeworld

>>53982768
They're pretty great.

Only things that really went bad for them this edition is that their bikes are trash now and no more ID on high strength.

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>>53982739
Gotta have groupies for the rock band and a few earthshaker batteries with cultist crews will do the job.

It is nice that Iron Warriors get their basilisks back along with other tanks.

>>53982747
Correct, as awesome as they would be to have them sky dive into combat the Valkyries will just be gun platforms and maybe carry a squad of renegade Marauders. (Technically no renegades can get in transports at the moment but it's clear they where meant to be able to ride Chimeras and Valks)

>>53982809
The rate of scale creep can only mean one thing.

In one decade we will be playing with marine models the size of Imperial Knights.

>>53982805
Yvraine is the cheapest way to get word of the phoenix access, which is the main reason. Visarch is overpriced. Yncarne is overpriced, but can be good too.

>>53982790
>Orks
>the best ability of all the horde armies to ignore the morale phase
That's not how you spell tyranids

>>53982813
It is Alpha Legion, you could use Gulliman and just shout "he is alpharius" at your opponent (wo is also alpharius).

>>53982836

why is a chaos daemon machine in a mechanicum army?

is that a dark mechanicum army or something?

>>53982843
I think I might run a renegades Daemon summoning list, using valks to get characters to the front lines fast.

>>53982857
what a fine recaster

>>53982860
Yeah, looks like it.

Makes me so happy!

>>53982816
Greater Brass Scorpion of Khorne. If I remember that army correctly its a guys 30k army based on the forgeworld that supplied the World Eaters.

>>53982849
You kill one nearby model, they suffer morale.

You have to kill dozens of Orks.

are eldar shit in 8th? I haven't played since 6th and I have a bunch of unpainted eldar sitting around

>>53982849
Tyranids can have their synapse creatures focused, meaning they need to set up protections for them. Orks get fearless just for having big units.

>>53982199
Not any different them 7th. A squad of tactical marines could just punch a leman to death because you hit the rear armor in melee.

>>53982876
Not shit, just good. Like most armies.

So what unit has the most dakka out of any codex?

I saw the tyranofex can put out 48 shots a turn now.

>>53982849
Yeah the trick against Orks seems to be reducing the numbers of most of the big units, and they'll crumble shortly thereafter.
With Tyranids you have to kill those big tough Synapse monsters, that can hide behind those endless blobs that won't run away even with 25 of the 30 models getting killed in a turn.

>>53982788
12'' range tho.

So, I'm pretty new to 40k, I want to get some Wolf Guard on bikes, do I just get the normal space marine bikes models and paint them as Wolf Guard?

>>53982432

I had a bloodthirster, a DP and 3 bloodcrushers shot off the board turn 1. Big monsters aren't worth shit.

>>53982875
The best horde army is still cultists with abaddon. orks/nids/conshits a shit

>>53982875
And it's far easier to kill dozens of orks than that one model, because odds are that there aren't just one synapse creature but maybe five or six, and they're all high T high W with good saves to boot

>>53982901
What if I horde Space Marines?

>>53982890
Kastelans are probably up there.

>>53982525

You can't summon them into your enemies face at all, you can summon them 12" away from a character that hasn't moved, which you aren't going to want to do on your characters that are worth anything

>>53982892
Yeah, to make Orks run away you just need to kill hundreds of models while with tyranids you just need to focus fire one big one that cant even hide in cover anymore.

>>53982829
My argument is play the fucking game.

Daemons don't have vehicles, vehicles are fuck-strong in this edition. But we've got monsters and high T - W characters. So we use them.

Then you "counter-argue" with meme spam, "7th daemons used hero hammer" and more irrelevant bullshit.

>>53982890
Assuming you mean index, as codices aren't out yet. Are you including FW? And are we counting number of shots, or overall strength of Fire? Tau Manta has a silly number of shots, Chaos Warlord Titan can take weapons with S30, IIRC.

>>53982898
You get space marine bikes, and a box of space wolves in power armour, and glue some of the wolfy bits on the space marine bikers if you want to be real fancy.

>>53982510

Summoning in 8th, good one.

>>53982805
Cheapest and also the most useful.

Visarch is a crappy footslogging unit with 0 psychic and shit rule for fluff. He's crap in the fluff, and he's crap on the table.

Yncarne, you waste 300 pts for a big guy that have 6S weapon, Ughh good luck hitting 7,8 T model even with reroll. Also it regen ability is nerf to 4+ (was 3+ in 7th) It also had a crappy way of deployment *teleport behind you* but can't charge.

>>53982917
That's not too bad, given you can walk your character up with a screening unit as a bodyguard, like brimstones.

>>53982900
> Not having two BLOS terrain pieces on the map.

>map is an empty square

>>53982290
Its free, player.

>>53982934
Cool, thanks famalam

>>53982945
>but muh meme unit

Here we go again.

>>53982890
Double grav-bombard Leviathan. It is the new wraithknight, so good.

>>53982925
Orks are just infantry with a 6+ save.
I've already played against an Ork list with over 100 Ork Boyz, and you'd be surprised how easy it is to mow them down if you have a decent amount of infantry yourself.

>>53982898
That could work, maybe add in some wolfy wolf bits from eBay

desu I would love to see someone do a very subdued space woof build of essentially regular marines painted in a space wolf scheme

>>53982929

So what do I do when I make my move across the board and weight of fire kills all my monsters turn 1? Daemons are great in combat, but they struggle to get into combat

>>53982925
>one big one that cant even hide in cover anymore
>zoes can't hide in cover
lol

>>53982929
>vehicles are fuck strong this edition
Have you played the game?

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>>53982707
>red hot lesbian admech-on-admech action
Want.

Anyway, I don't think so, but it would be hilarious. You'd need to dedicate the Domini and their assistants to the Techpriest Danceoff/rap battle that is surely happening, with lots of electropriests raving in the background.

>>53982958
Okay, what daemon unit do you recommend as a screen to protect characters as they move up the field?

>>53982947

Big fucking models, they aren't easy to hide from LOS

>>53982945

Except you only have 2 turns of movement and if you don't get it off, they are dead.

>>53981907
Anyone still playing 7th is a crybaby WAACfag or just a faggots. Don't play that mess.

Thanks op!

>It cannot transport PRIMARIS models.
>It cannot transport PRIMARIS models.
>It cannot transport PRIMARIS models.
>It cannot transport PRIMARIS models.
>It cannot transport PRIMARIS models.
>It cannot transport PRIMARIS models.
PLEASE MAKE IT STOOOP

>>53982972
Daemons have some advantages, but don't listen to the monster guy. He has no fucking clue.

1. You can reserve half your army in a special points category that doesn't count against your chances of going first. You're basically guaranteed to go first in every battle except against Knights.

2. You've got some incredibly fast units with Slaanesh. Run things up the board, using your Slaanesh units as a screen. Alternatively, you can turn to Chaos Space Marines to get characters up the board, as they can deepstrike in termie armor, letting you basically guarantee a good positioned summon turn 2 after only one round of shooting/charging by your opponent.

3. Summon the right tools for the right job. Daemonettes might be your best combat unit, but fiends are worth considering too, for their ability to guarantee an enemy unit does nothing effective next turn. Tzeentch has fantastic shooting with some of the best flamers in the game.

4. Alternatively, you can just spam 30/60/90 wounds of 4++ as a meatshield around your characters as they move up the board, smiting everything and summoning a shit ton of fun.

>>53983005
>Anyone who enjoy actual 40k and not bland AoS ripoff is BADWRONGFUN

>>53983029
My group has been ignoring the blatant cash grab scheme and counting primaris as 2 for capacity

>>53982937

This makes me sad

>>53983029
What's your problem? We get our own vehicles.

>>53983042
So play fucking 4th or something. 7th was hot liquid shit.

>>53983029
Loved the GW post on normiebook today

>The FW marine index has so many things for Primaris !
>You simply must get it !
>A Thunderhawk for example is an excellent choice for them !
>*A Thunderhawk cannot transport Primaris models*

Top fucking kek.

-celestine
-20 seraphim
-Canoness
-8x10 bolter sisters w/ stormbolters & flamers
-2x immolators melta/flamer
-1x rhino because i have it

-lord commissar
-4x10 guard with lascannons
-sentinel power lifter because fuck you
-1x10 rough riders
-hellhound
-demolisher
-avenger strike fighter
-2x saber platforms w/ heavy stubbers
-probably 20+ HWT w/ lascannons and missiles

Please advise, what should I try to do with what I own? I really want to use the power lifter, avenger, and sabers... but not sure what to do.

Before anyone says I need AT, I literally have so many boltguns I gunned down two leman russ las game with the aid of the immolator. I've yet to field guard with my sisters but I do plan to include more lascannons to ensure my AT regardless of suggestions.

>>53983042
>7e
>actual 40k
Good meme friend almost got me

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Hey guys never played 40k before, I used to play Fantasy YEARS ago and only came back this year to AOS.

So I have 30 Bloodletters, 3 Bloodcrushers, 1 skull Cannon, and 3 Heralds. How do I build a list, what is that kinda worth? Is it worth me getting into 40k?

so /tg/ whats the best sponson choice for a macharius? just had 3 arrive from china
standard
vulcan
omega

thinking auto cannons for the omega and hbolters for the other 2?

any thoughts?

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>>53983044
>Primaris Marines need house rules in order to be viable

>>53981707
What's the rule exactly? I have corsairs and ever since I saw the index I've been cringing.

>>53982752
It solves a lot of arguments, just make a line with tape measure and if most of the firing unit is on a side then it's on that side.
For turrets just go off the gun. Stop trying to confusticate things to make dumbing the game down seem like a good thing.

>>53983055
Lies, Thunderhawk Assaukt Gunship can carry 15 Primaris.

>>53982972
BLOCKING LINE OF SIGHT TERRAIN (minimum two)

SUMMONING

TAKE THE FUCKING HIT AND HIT BACK

HIGH TOUGHNESS

TARGET PRIORITY SATURATION

TURN 1 CHARGES FROM "deep strike" (non summoning) units.

USE "big guy" CHARACTERS WITH LESS THAN 10 WOUNDS

aka play the fucking game and stop trying to build an army around 3 units and a character.

>>53982990
You won't get alpha striked, you don't need a full-map screen

>>53983061
Why do demons lick their blades?

>>53983057
Trade all your useless shit for repressor kitbash,

"convert" your sisters to dominions/retributors.
Get more melta/heavy flamers

win the game T4.

>>53983098
They taste of strawberries.

>>53981629
if i roll a 1 with a super charged plasma cannon on a armoured sentinel, does it die?

it think it does? seems pretty clear but that seems really harsh

>>53983097
Who was talking about a full map screen? Just something to put around/in front of your characters.

>>53983098
Intimidation

"macho" culture

>>53983033

Summoning is terrible in 8th, having only 2 turns of movement if you want to risk it on 1 roll or lose all your reserves is fucked and not worth it.

>>53983077
"You MAY roll 2d6 for morale check instead of 1d6 and discard lowest, BUT(?) if you fail then +1 guy run away"

>>53983137
If you're talking about something right around your character, you'd rather have something that can benefit from the aura buffs.

>but not THAT close xD they are further out and wall my army off from all dem charges

Here we go again

>>53983061

New 40k is great, but daemons are in a really bad spot right now without chaos marine support. Daemon only armies are dead.

>>53982219
>BS 4+
>Orks
you get one, retard

>>53983051
It was hot shit, dunno about liquid.

>>53983154
Bizzaro edition continues. Used to be opposite.

>>53983086

Clearly you haven't played daemons. Summoning is terrible, weight of fire is killing our high toughness guys turn 1 and there is no deep striking non-summoned units for daemons.

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>>53983154
MASTERRACE

>>53983144
>you can opt to have a better morale roll
>but it might just punish you if you still fail
>aeldari cucks are mad about this

>>53983154
Really it's just Tzeentch Daemons armies that died completely. The rest seem fine

>>53983098
they watch too many animes

>>53983181

I'm just going to run my 30k word bearers as chaos marines and if anyone complains, I'll let them know chaos marines wouldn't exist without us, we were the first.

>>53982901
>Abby
>running with cultists
What did he mean by this?

>>53983190
>discard lowest
Anon, do you even read?

>>53983153
Auras like what? I was mostly talking about the Herald of Tzeentch, which has a 6" S+1 which really only helps horrors and screamers anyway. Doubling the S of the brimstones, making it so they wound infantry in melee on a 5 instead of a 4, isn't too shabby, especially if your goal is to get a character to midfield to summon stuff. Blue Scribes would also work well with a Horror escort, as it's relatively short-ranged as well, and also lacks any valuable auras which would be better used by other units.

>>53983196

On paper, sure, in practice, no. Daemons don't have the firepower to get their CC units across the board

>>53983190
Except it's discard lowest not discard highest, so it's "you can opt to have a worse morale roll".

>>53983203
Okaaay. Why are you talking this to me?

>>53983203
>We were the first

No you weren't, that was Horus. Horus then talked your lot into it.

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https://spikeybits.com/2017/06/gw-pulls-plug-army-builder.html

>mfw gw releases a buggy, non functioning one in a few years

>>53983196
Kairos doesn't have a 4++

It's really bad how hard they slapped Tzeentch

>>53983245
Still salty?

>>53983235
Got that backwards pal.

Can somebody be a kind soul and post me the rules and such for the Necron Tomb Stalker. I'd like to use it in a game today but circumstances keep me from finding it myself

>>53983235
Bait...I guess

>>53983181
IRON WITHIN

>>53983255
Isn't it obvious what they're doing? They did it for AOS too. They say someone's success and threw a tantrum to take it away

>>53983261
>>53983270

Why would they call Horus the Arch-traitor if the Word Bearers did everything?

Horus did it all.