Paizo Games General /pgg/ (Pathfinder & Starfinder) Nob

>>53970290
if anything, i try to make my characters as much of a Shmuck starting out as possible. i've yet to find a GM that would allow me to play as an Accidental Paladin.....

>>53970331

Because that sounds stupid as hell.

>>53970290
Is OP pic Shia LaBeouf

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>>53970290

I have always wanted to play a Noble Scion. Even I just made the noble be a support type and the cohort a kickass bodyguard.

>>53970361
Actual cannibal Shia LeBouf.

>>53970290
Very noble, but pitifully lowborn and not aristocratic in the least.

>>53970361
>>53970386
That sounds truly terrifying.

>>53970290
Maybe soon.

But real talk, I actually prefer to play characters who are down on their luck, from humble beginnings, or are part of an ailing household/business. It's a better start for a character arc than to just have them start adventuring because they're bored.

>>53970290
>>53970373
I've really wanted to run a Noble Scion too. Use the Noble Stipend feat to live high on the hog while my party slums it in the stables.

>>53970421
I dont mind the successful start but mine are usually something like the 15th son or tomboy with no hopes of inheriting so it is either the church or the military or adventuring

>>53970290
He's a scion of a mighty royal bloodline, but gave it all up and lives a simple life by the sea.

>>53970421
I agree wholheartedly.

We got a new (half)chapter of the Ensoulment fic yesterday, anons! Have you read them all? Do you have anything you'd like to see written?
>1: Mouse and Vandread https://pastebin.com/1CSgeLAT
>2: Ichabod gambles for his freedom https://pastebin.com/SYcfHh6L
>3: Derrin tries to shag a ghost https://pastebin.com/RS9g08i7
>4: Witch meets a band of drunkards, Part 1 https://pastebin.com/dNmVFt4t Part 2: https://pastebin.com/BuPgqeUd

love being in 4 fucking threads on the board

>>53970608

>he doesnt participate in at least 30 /tg/ threads at a time

Fucking casuals ruining this board.

>>53970667
Personally, I usually have five threads across five boards open at any given time.

>>53969904
>>53970229
I wonder, how high in the echelon of Demonkind do you think a successful artist could get offering his services free of charge? Maybe even get up to one of the Lords of Hell?

(Also, can I just say that I find it a bit silly that Daemons don't have a realm or language to themselves, but seem to have just taken the tablescraps from the Demons and Devils?)

(Also repostan here since this seems like the dominant thread)

>>53970290
>How noble is your character? Does he live an opulent lifestyle?
Merchant noble who sleeps on a mattress of gold. He has back problems because of it.

>>53970290
As a noble aristocrat, Lord Cornelius enjoys many things your average peasant or adventurer only see from a distance.

>>53970331
I've run players as that before. He was just a fighter, came across a forgotten god's temple in ruins and pledged to become his champion

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How do I light magic in pathfinder, my dudefriends?

>>53971057
Evocation.

>>53970512
Something with Jericho and the royals.

>>53970747
Daemons are more fundamentally destructive and nihilistic than any other fiend. It makes perfect sense that they don't have a language.

But they do have a realm--Abbadon.

And demons don't live in hell. Why don't you actually read up on your lore before you ask these questions?

>>53971057
When you cast the light spell, aim it on a rock or something. Something small enough so you can hide it in your sleeve or pocket when you need to douse the light.

Unless you mean a light magic setting? In which case I would say spellcasters are reasonably rare (as they already are by base) so then people like wizards are very important. Everyone knows about a wizard, but not everyone KNOWS a wizard. Classes like druids and clerics are similarly rare, but its more common to encounter them than others. That sort of thing.

If a character wants to play as a wizard or other magician, tell them they may experience certain encounters, like people trying to convert him to their cause or trying to just kill him for wizzing. Along with a difficulty of acquiring spells, but not impossible. For example, going out of their way to find another spellcaster to share spells with, or maybe contacting outsiders to share magic with.

This also leaves the room for things like 'magic duels' where another caster may challenge the party wizard. Winner takes the other's spellbook or aperatus. Though these things are reasonably rare and if its heard a duel is going on, everyone in the kingdom might hear about it eventually.

>>53971057
It'd be pretty easy in Spheres.

I mean there's a Destruction Blast Type Group of light blasts, not to mention the Light sphere itself.

I hope everyone's having fun tonight!

What's the difference between /pgg/ and /sfg/ for talking about Starfinder?

>>53971645
pgg is for both starfinder and pathfinder. Two threads split the population too thin and you end up with two dead threads

>>53971675
/pfg/ was doing fine before whoever it was kicked up a stink and said we had to become /pgg/

>>53971675
... Could you run that by me again? Are you suggesting I can't have /pfg/ and /sfg/ open at the same time? The threads won't die if you actually give a damn about both subjects.

>>53971726
I for one enjoy being a /pgg/a

>>53971783
when have you seen a starfinder general that actually exists for a while

>>53971246
I meant to say Devil, got my words mixed up there. Regardless of that, my question still stands.

>>53970512
>>53971211
We NEED something with Jericho and the royals, stat. One of them stealing him from the other, some sordid love triangle business, maybe the good old ménage à trois, something!

>>53972119
There is a cult of people trying to ship all of them them together for some nefarious purpose. The princess is oblivious and the men are confused.

>>53970290
Never played a noble. I've made a character who is an adopted ward of a member of the Military Oligarchy, but never actualy played a straight up aristo

>>53971057
Spheres of Power, along with the Light Sphere Handbook options for optimal Grossly Incandescent

>>53972119
I want art of this, not a written story.

>>53972213
I want both.

>>53971645
One was made by animeposter to shit up and split the threads

>Move, make one attack

vs

>Move, finish encounter with single spell.

>>53972320
I'd rather Bladed Dash in to do both at once.

>>53970448
>Noble Stipend
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/noble-stipend/
Why has nobody told me about this feat before?

>Foxtits's character sheet is 20 pages of black text on white page PDFs
Is it possible it's actually DHB in disguise?

>>53972590
>you can spend only on services and nonmaterial goods.

So, you're on shitty food stamps that can't actually be used on food.

I guess you could hire mercs with it.

>>53972707

Whoever it is I think was exposed to be a pretty relentless self-shill.

>JttW is brought up, suddenly FOXTITS FOXTITS
>FOXTITS IS THE BEST APP!
>Anons point out basic mistakes
>Suddenly app is edited

Really makes one ponder

>>53972707
What if it's a gestalt intelligence of the biggest memes.

>>53972707
Not a chance. DHB is a classy fucker.

>>53972707
DHB is not one for subtlety

>>53972722
>Prostitutes count
If it cuts down on my character's flavor eating up a portion of my wealth by level I'm happy to sacrifice the feat.

>>53972769
Are you that one anon with the laundry list of weekly expenses including prostitutes, high-end prostitutes, and copious amounts of drugs?

>>53972769
You know, you could just put a point into a profession skill and use that cash.

What whores cost 100gp a week though?

Fucking seriously.

>>53972820
If my suspicions are right it's this anon
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/51659254/#51664628
Who is clearly a child who has never had any experience with any of the items on his list except for food and maybe fireworks (if mommy said it was okay to hold a sparkler).

>>53972707
>It's separated into three parts

>>53972907
>That list
My God, is he in middle school?

>>53972907
What the fuck is an "emergency prostitute?"

A paramedic in a thong? Does she defibrillate your dick instead of your heart?

aaaaaaaa DHB

>>53972707
>TFW there's STILL no actual character sheet in all that mess
This is why you don't talk to hot girls, you'll just end up disappointed by their supernatural ability to say nothing in a million words and have it all be about themselves.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77201/essentia-forgotten-home (Closing in 2 Weeks)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/79068/journey-to-the-west (Closing in 28 Hours)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77814/ensoulment-of-the-flower-court (Closing in 1 Week)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75856/dimensional-ark-abyssia (Closing in 1 Week)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/80257/wrath-of-the-righteous (Closing in 3 Weeks)
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5126499/round-2-dot-dot-dot-3 (Soft Close in 2 days)
>Not sure if the PLD soft close is right, I'm working on what was posted in the last thread

>>53973082
It's the 25th, so two days is right!

>>53973103
Great! I didn't want to mislead anybody, but also too lazy to look it up.

>>53973082

On the topic of games, what does an application, or just a character for a game need in general?

In my opinion there only needs to be a few basic elements. 1) Rough outline of their life leading to the adventure
2)Some motivations for taking part
3)How they came into their training/power/magic whatever

>>53973141
The DM needs to be able to assess how that person will interact with other people, because they like to pick a party that can groove together and one that has interesting but not game-fatal conflicts to explore

Why has Paizo not made tier lists official parts of the rules yet ?

>>53973141

What I would argue is missing from that is je ne sais quoi.

There's a certain something that needs to be part of an application to make it appealing and enjoyable. The spice that makes a reader go "oh this is interesting and adventures with this person would be fun".

I would ALSO argue that what these threads consider spicy enough to be worthwhile is way overdone. You need to be in full meme territory to get a reaction, and anything short of that is 'boring' automatically.

>>53973141
That looks about right, but I'd put it more in terms of the telling of three events that determined the course of their life as it is at the start of the campaign:
1) Formative experiences (typically outlining the circumstances of their birth if it's important and any formal training they've had)
2) A catalyst (a singular life-changing event that set them on the path they now walk, because the adventurer who adventures for adventure's sake is boring)
3) An introduction (the missing piece that threads their formative experiences through the catalyst and ends up stitching it all together to explain the here and now of why they're participating in the campaign)

These should probably be about a paragraph each and often the catalyst can be combined with the formative experiences or introduction.

>>53973188

Then they would have to admit their game is not perfectly balanced and would have to fix it

>>53973237

Well it's very hard to account for personal tastes. I'd agree the threads are way too harsh.

>>53973184

This is good, I think it could be succinctly stated that the PC needs to fit the tone of the game and have a role?

>>53973082
You got PLD right.

Has anyone looked into the Tome-smiter class he posted?

>>53973082

>tfw you want to play Vults fey healer homebrew but not in PLD aka "PTSD" simulator

>>53973478
>PTSD
You're one of the few that gets it! So many people focus on the rape; they forget the slow, mental death that follows.

>>53973188
Because they don't believe in them, and HOW DARE martials ask to be able to be good at things when they already have teh damages!!1!

>>53973082
You have exactly one week to make a bazketball ingenue to rival Takashi!

>>53973478
The girls are still pretty happy though

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What are some of your character ideas for Starfinder?
Curious to see what other people have come up with.

I hope the RotJR teams have fun today and tomorrow!

Make a character based on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkzY_VwNIek

>>53973975
I'd probably have to roll some dice to determine class and theme and to settle on just one.

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>>53973975

Answer - Though not an original idea I particularly enjoy this character.

>>53973975
Brain-in-a-jar Mercenary still paying off the mortgage on his fancy new body.

>>53974010
Gillman Bard.

Easy!

>>53973478
Did you see the update?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EgpSnNxiXt7Dn3GGy-b6CwCmxXosVH8dzWklpuhVviE

>>53970373
Do it, you will regret nothing as you mock your whole party with your glorious capitalism.

i have 1280 gp left for a level ten character what do i buy help i need it by tomorrow

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>>53974123
Too bad no games allow leadership

>>53974016
That actually sounds like fun!

Classes:
1) Envoy
2) Mechanic
3) Mystic
4) Operative
5) Solarian
6) Soldier
7) Technomancer

Themes:
1) Ace Pilot
2) Bounty Hunter
3) Icon
4) Mercenary
5) Outlaw
6) Priest
7) Scholar
8) Spacefarer
9) Xenoseeker
10) Themeless

>>53974091

Oh nice! It's too bad I'll probably never get a chance to play a Houri healslut in a game though.

Rolled 2 (1d7)

>>53974157
Rolling for class

>>53974016
You aren't going to put more thought into it and just go all random?

Rolled 2 (1d10)

>>53974185
>Mechanic
Rolling for theme

>>53974172
Other pfg DMs could probably be convinced to allow it.

It's not like it's particularly broken.

>>53974189
I think he's saying that he has so many ideas that he's going to pick one at random to make that choice.

>>53973932
I imagine it's a compartmentalization thing. There's a strong front that presents a determined face to the world, but somewhere inside a dark pit of suffering is just filling up with hideous psychological shit.

>>53974155
A good bit of advice for leftover funds are one of two options: either spend the rest on any potions you think you might need, or if you've already done that keep it for the session! You never know when having some extra coins lying around could be good for your needs.

>>53973975
A jive-talking robot that blasts cracker-ass honkeys with his plasma rifle

>>53974299
The only thing they may have locked away is that they like it and it's just becoming an embarrassment for them, bot a torture

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>>53974185
>>53974205
>Mechanic Bounty Hunter
She inherited the life of a bounty hunter rather than choosing it, born on the cold floor of the engine bay aboard the junker her parents's employers supplied them with. Since then, that rough and ready lifestyle has claimed her parents and so much more, but she still has her crewmates and her creations to give her a reason to go on.

>>53974475
But even then, you'd expect several competing things at work in the mind. Sure, maybe they've got some aberrant, lustful self that likes it, but then the guilt-ridden, moralizing id self decries and condemns it, and that tension will create brain problems. Fear of the loss of self, and the degradation of the mind and the soul will also cause serious issues too, and that doesn't even get into the influence of the divine or other external and magical factors.

There are a lot of different things at work in there, no matter how low their INT is.

>>53973975
Flash Nebula

The glamrock space captain who plays the keytar.

That or a robotic ascetic monk looking for robot enlightenment

>>53974156
Which I'll never get. It's no more broken than full casters.

>>53974601

Who knows. Not like I wouldnt work with the DM to make sure it wasnt broken like double caster or something

>>53974601
Its more that Leadership tends to bog down the game

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I'm actually having a really hard time picking out a class for my Starfinder character.
I've got a basic idea but I just can't seem to pick one that fits aside from the most obvious/expected class.

Why are you posting here instead of the real threads?

/pfg/
>>53970222

/sfg/
>>53948475

>>53974833
Fuck off, nobody cares about your petty squabbles over the name of the general.

>>53974833

To annoy you. You specifically

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>>53974833
>"real threads"

your dubs can't fool me

>>53974833
>real threads
kys senpai

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53974833
I'm not even going to dignify you with a (You)

>53974833
nobody acres

Any word on the timeframe for Adventurer's Armory 2?

>>53975229
who the fuck knows i've given up all hope anon

>>53975229
>>53975345
It doesn't come out until next Wednesday. If leakanon isn't getting it for us early, it should be scrubbed by late next week.

>>53975229
>>53975345
>>53975544

Looking forward to seeing that butcher axe or whatever it is

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What do you guys think of Vult's Tome-Smiter class? The class, not the archetype

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ok-SUykx6s891dxdccwYBjm0MyVuTrstxtduVAHoCfc/edit?usp=sharing

What do you do with the realization that you might actually only enjoy the practice of building characters and merely like the THOUGHT of playing them? Like, when you finally get to play you discover you spend all your time fumbling with the system and constantly feel useless no matter what happens?

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>>53974833
>/pfg/
Discussing classification of bunnygirls
>/sfg/
Discussing kasatha penises
>/pgg/
Discussing Vult's homebrew

I don't know which makes me more sick to my stomach. Probably the homebrew.

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>>53975732
Considering the archetype was just a poorly made nier-clone, I'm porbably not going to look at it and unless anyone says otherwise I"m going to assume its trash.
Also Papa Nier is the superior version

>>53975841
Brother Nier is easier to make, you need gestalt for Papa.

>>53975793
Apply to /pgg/ games routinely with no fear of disappointment when they inevitably end up picking nothing but celebs and memes.

>>53975841
Otherwise

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So! Who all's excited for the weekend? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?

>>53975949
I'm super excited for tomorrow!

>>53975841
>>53975889
Which one fucked the tranny?

>>53975967
Neither of them during the events of NieR.

Both of them after the super secret ending.

>>53975949
I'm packing up and getting ready to move next week! I'm also catching up on PbP and thinking about an app I hope to write and submit over the course of the next week.

>>53975967
Fuuuuuuck, I was a little premature with my posting ejaculation >>53975982 there, I wanted to add that Kaine isn't a transsexual, she's a hermaphrodite. She very much identifies as a woman, albeit one with a thick veiny dick.

>>53975949
Pretty subdued weekend coming up compared to the last few. Just RotJR tomorrow on the schedule (we might be finishing Thistletop!!!), the rest I'm playing by ear. Have you got anything exciting planned, good friend?

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>>53975966

Oh? What's happening tomorrow?

>>53975841
Why do you think it's appropriate to have an opinion on something you refuse to examine?

Or do you just find more enjoyment out of being a dick in public than examining new content and seeing if its worth using? As a PC or otherwise

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>>53975967
The skeleton shota

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>>53975990

Are you going very far?

>>53976021
Because its something we do to Paizo all the time, mostly because there is precedent for the assumption

Also, Hi Vult!

>>53976003
That's a fair point. She's really cute, though

>>53976041
Not too far, just moving back to my hometown, to be closer to friends and family. It'll be stressful in the short term, but I think it'll be a lot better in the long term. It's really lonely where I live now. My nearest friends are an hour and half away, and my nearest family and my oldest, best friends are four hours away. Ever since my ex left, there's just nothing keeping me here anymore.

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>>53976009

Best of luck to you, then! The weekend itself isn't going to be very exciting, apart from my game. It is, however, the start of a week's vacation, during which I'll celebrate my birthday with my older brother at an Iron Maiden concert.

>>53976053
The criticism of the archetype wasn't even coherent half the time and you know it. Half the people couldn't get over using a sixth level spell to do marginally more damage than a 1st level shocking grasp, the other half couldn't get over the fact that magus was used as a base but it wasn't their perfectly fix they've been imagining in their heads, so it was automatically shit.

And then there were people just complaining that it was a Cha caster, or that "it was just stuff thrown together" when it was one ability and a familiar.

tl;dr, hold yourself to some standards of integrity

>>53976115
Sounds like you've got a great week lined up. Hope it exceeds your expectations!

>>53975949
Brunch with a cousin in another state tomorrow, then Gristletop that night! Sunday's got nothing planned, so I'm going to use it to finally sit my ass down and write out the character I've been procrastinating on since a week ago.

>>53976017
A warm headpatting for foxes!

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>>53975949
Long, long weekend shifts so other people can have lives and I get weekdays off to play games. My best friend has a game though. While I'm glad he got in, I'm jealous and I'm going to miss talking to him over discord, knowing he'll be distracted by a long game while I work.

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>>53976138

Do you have a fairly clear idea of what you want?

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>>53976152

Well, I'm sure you'll find a way to make time together. Friends often do.

>>53975949
Time to confront Nualia!

It's gonna be great.

>>53976259
Clear as crystal, I've got all the important events in bullet-points and the minutia that might distract me from writing already written. It's just a matter of sitting down and opening that word document, now, and while I had a really good headspace for it earlier today I got pulled away from it long enough that I lost the groove. Here's to me hoping I find it again on Sunday!

You're a treasure, Fennec.

>>53975949
>Who all's excited for the weekend?
Nope.
>Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?
Another round of seeing if I can man up and fucking kill myself.

>>53975949
>Looks at schedule
Yeah... no. Not really. Continuing work on my setting and homebrews, like always. Browsing /pgg/ for keks, like usual. Got some financial stuff to take care of tomorrow, insurance negotiations and such, nothing special. Dog park three times a day, as is tradition. I started my cutting cycle last week, so no eating out or anything, and no beer. Just a nice, easy, weekend.

My next game isn't going to be ready for a while.

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>>53975949
I've had to put off my Saturday game for two weeks, looking like its gonna be three, because one player hasn't shown up at all and another has his schedule fucked up because of family.

But that's okay, there's plenty of vidya I can fit into a single afternoon

>>53976321
If you need help, reach out anon.
https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

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>>53976297

Here's hoping for success.

>>53976321
I may be cutting, but do I need to buy you a beer and talk about things, anon?

What's going on?

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>>53975949

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>>53976321

I'm sorry to hear things haven't improved for you, anon. Perhaps either of these folks could help?

>>53976376
>>53976389

>>53976389
>What's going on?
Just constant reminders that I'm an utter piece of human garbage, is all.

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>>53976373

Well, having one of those once in a while isn't so bad. Here's hoping it's enjoyable.

What does everybody think of the latest JttW app? 24 hours left.

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>>53976285
Thanks foxanon.

>>53976494
>human garbage
I don't believe that for a second anon.

What kind of reminders we talking about?

>>53976532
Lord knows I've needed it. Saturday is arms and a half-marathon then it's fuck everything Sunday. Plus work has been pretty busy. Especially since a random server popped up at one of my remote sites. That was fucking fun to track down.

>>53976545
>Kaijo
There's no fucking way.

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>>53976374

Scheduling contacts are never fun. What do you have to play with in the meantime?

>>53975949
Saturday group shenanigans are happening.

>>53976583
I've been trying to beat Reciever with the Gun Mod in it. Adds in about 6 new weapons (USP Match, a Tokarev, an HSI Mauser, a Thompson M1A1, a Mosin-Nagant, and a Mossberg 870) in addition to the original three pistols (1911, Glock, S&W Model 10). The game is brutal and I love it. Reloading is an absolute blast and a minigame in and of itself.

I've also been playing tons of Titanfall 2 Multiplayer, if only because the movement system in there is so gosh darn fun. I wanna get my hands on Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, and DOOM 2016. It's tempting to check out some of the newer wads for the original Doom though, there's some neat shit in there.

>>53976573
>What kind of reminders we talking about?
Just shit like realizing your already down a path that you don't want to go on and seeing all your friends and former companions do so much better than you in almost everyday.

Almost everything I put my hands on turns to shit, and I'm incapable of even some of the most simple of tasks. It all just feels downhill from here.

>>53976545
It's really cringey

If I were the DM I wouldn't appreciate all these joke apps

>>53976673
Yeah, it seems pretty disrespectful. Maybe Argentum should pull a Rory and yank the listing.

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>>53976632

Any particularly startling developments?

>>53976746
I think that'd be unfair to the people who are serious about applying. Really, DMs just need to stick a "Do not post an application if you have no intention to play" notice on their games. The "joke application" epidemic (started by Broodie, by the way) is a real menace. Alternatively, just contact the player privately and ask them to remove it.

>>53976662
You gotta stand firm mate. You're going to slip and fall a lot in life, but don't worry about it. Take a break if you need to, sit down and enjoy the view. You say almost everything turns to shit when you get involved, but if it's shit, forget about it for now.

Lets look at what hasn't gone to hell in a hand basket. What's good in life anon?

Also, remember that success if relative. Some people start on third, a lot don't even play the same game. Shit's all perspective, so don't dwell on it.

>>53976545
>>53976579
>>53976673
>>53976746
>>53976817
I was debating applying to bully shortstack, if we both got accepted. Are the rest of the apps this bad? I haven't had much of a chance to look since I got off work.

>>53976817
Which apps seem like they're really trying, anon? From where I sit they all seem pretty lackluster.

>>53976746
>contact DM with questions about the game
>never get a reply

seems he's picked apps already anyway, i guess

>>53976828
>What's good in life anon?
Literally nothing.

>>53976817
>>53976746
>>53976673
Argentum is one of the kings of applying to games they can't join with off the wall concepts.
They applied to ensoulment with a fucking book.

>>53976838
Argentum's one of the busiest people involved in /pfg/ games these days, it might just be a matter of availability to answer your question. How long have you been waiting?

>>53976769
catfolk rogue does a stupid, elan psion gets fucked over by good will saves, "party edgelord" gets fucked over by catfolk rogue's stupid, and I risk losing another martial. business as usual really...

>>53976836
There are more serious apps than jokes, I just feel that making joke apps is disingenuous and that most recent one is particularly bad. Sorry if none of the apps appeal to you personally, by way.

>>53976917
Which apps do you like best, anon?

>>53976935
Hmmm... give me a moment

>>53976853
You got nothing? No games, no friends, no goals?

Or are these the things that are turning to shit?

FotJR greentext when?

>>53975949

I have a game tomorrow, but it's been kind of random in happening or not. 50/50 on someone having a random zero-notice crisis that firebombs the game until next week so far.

Also, I know some people are tired of hearing about it, but I'm excited that ensoulment ends a week from now. With (probably) sixty apps to choose from and a month of reviews, critiques, art, short stories, etc., it'll be great fun no matter what.

>>53976948
Nothing.

>>53976947
Thanks anon, I've been trying to gauge which apps people like as JttW has counted down but all I get in response are foxtits memes (which is fine if you like her, but I'd love to hear about any other names to watch out for).

>>53976983
You got someone to talk to right here mate. That's something.

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>>53976974

Here's hoping you win that cointoss, then.

>>53976376
Seconding this suggestion. I talked to these fine folks (not when I was suicidal, but when I was suffering some pretty crippling depression and didn't have access to therapy) and it was immensely helpful until I could get long term help.

>>53976983
Hell, seems like you have four people right here anon.
>>53977056
>>53977029
>>53976376

So what's going on? Did something just break? Someone leave?

Is this something you'd rather not talk about here?

I got a couple of discords, a skype, e-mail.

Shit, I'll drop you my cell if that works for you.

>>53977112
I'd rather just drop it. I'm too much of a fucking pussy to do anything anyway and I'm just shitting the thread up.

>>53977147
It's midnight, not like much else is going on.

But I'm not going to push.

>>53977175
Who?

>>53970405
Not really. He's scared of Grippli.

>>53977238
Not going to push you into talking about things you don't want to if you don't want to "shit up the thread" even though it's midnight and nothings really going on here in /pgg/ anyways.

>>53976935
>>53976987
Yumiko Ryuikiatsu
Koji
Kumosawa Sayo
Tie Jian Huang

I think these would be my 4 picks. There are others that are still good apps, but lack a sheet or have some other thing I consider to be a critical flaw. Normally I would also take mechanics into consideration, but there's not much fun going on there in this game, with one or two exceptions (lots of "Bushi/Vigilante with a Warder dip" going on here).

I want to try a Shaman. I never see anyone talk about the class and it seems really good.

What's a good spirit to invest in from level 1?
Lore seems really strong with the spell poaching, but it makes you a bit MAD.
I really like Heavens, but there's nothing I want from that spirit that I couldn't get from choosing it as my Wandering Spirit

>>53977315
Thanks anon, I'll give those ones a closer look.

>>53977421
Lore is the strongest, a lore spirit and utilizing wandering spirit will make you nearly wizard tier

>>53977442
Don't you need all three mental stats to be really high for a Lore Shaman to work?

>>53977430
They all have their issues I think, some are weaker on crunch but stronger on fluff, or the other way around, but ultimately I think each one is greater than the sum of its parts.

>>53977442
How does the Arcane Enlightenment hex work if you take it as a Wandering Hex?

Anons, what are your opinions on bullying the enemy into submission in a fight? Sometimes you don't want to break their body, breaking their spirit is enough.

>>53977561
Depends. Are you talking about dumb anime bullshit? Then you're retarded. Do you mean dancing around your opponent, never getting a scratch, and displaying that you could finish them off at your leisure? mite b kewl

>>53977561
If you have time to bully your enemy, you have time to kill them.

>>53974761

Exlapin some of the details of the character and we can offer suggestions.

>>53977597
>>53977619
What about just classic schoolyard bullying by showing your opponent that they're a weak little baby and might as well just sit down and shut up instead of trying to fight you?

>>53977678
If you can that, you shouldn't be wasting your time fighting them to begin with.

There's always something better to do than that, whether it's helping people or pursuing your own goals.

>>53977678

Anon, that's for half-orcs girls who don't know how to tell boys they like them.

>>53977765
I dunno man, one of my characters met his future wife by Intimidating her into submission after he beat down her friends that were guarding a place they didn't really want to be at anyway.

After... rehabilitating the lair they were guarding and turning it into a bar/inn (long story) they even got her some honest work as a waitress there so she didn't have to be a thug on the streets.

Can a Shaman's Spirit Animal take a familiar archetype?

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Technically speaking, is there a variation of Grappling that does the job of this pic, or do I just refluff Drag?

>>53976959
Probably never

So this is probably a stupid question, but how do master craftsman work in the PF rules? If you can't have more ranks in a skill than your level, then how are there blacksmiths and carpenters and shit out there without character levels?

>>53978117
They do have character levels. Their levels are just in commoner or expert rather than any PC class

>>53978117
Everything has levels. Whether it's HD or actual levels, everyone does.

As an example, a Level 3 commoner could have three ranks in Profession Farmer, three from it being a trained class skill, and then let's be generous and say he's got +1 Wisdom.

That's +7. Which is pretty alright for making money.

>>53978220
He probably also has Skill Focus (Profession: Farmer) for a total of +10

The silence is killing me.

>>53978690
Always gets this way. It's still too early for night owls on the west coast, too late for the ones on the east coast, early morning for Eurofags, and everybody else is probably at work.

>>53977948
This ability uses the same rules
as the wizard’s arcane bond class feature and is treated
as a familiar (see pages 78 and 82 of the Core Rulebook)

>>53978690
fridays

>>53978062
This would be the Grab special ability, which lets you grapple without being grappled yourself.

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Time for Dragon Game 1 Recap!

>The group had just found a gaggle of princesses captured by the now-slain Red Dragon and freed them/fed them
>Atolm the tiny dragon flies up a rope leading to a higher (and volcanic) portion of the dragon's lair
>And Sir Blakeley hurriedly rifling through the dragon's hoard, searching for something
>Atolm alerts the others and they get a good look at him
>As well as a mage, a strange floating woman, a ladyknight, and a cadre of spooky robot mooks
>The robots pick up minor noises and alert the others, leaving the heroes no choice but to attack
>In the ensuing battle, the mage conjures a forcefield around Blakeley to give him enough time to find what he's looking for
>The mage is soon after sniped and critted to death by Atolm

>>53978974
You suffer a terrible penalty for doing that though, don't you?

>>53979087
>All the while, the floating woman seems to be narrating the entire fight, as if Blakeley and his allies are the 'protagonists' of the story
>Blakeley finally finds what he needs - a book of some kind
>He calls upon the power of the Champion...only to have The Knave appear and tell him that isn't how it works
>The Champion, like The Knave, is a special sort of story-entity, whose power can only be grasped by those who adequately embody the entity's traits
>In this case, overwhelming strength. Blakeley's strong, but he's not the picture of strength. His knight however...
>His knightess is struck with a surge of power as the Champion possesses her
>She doubles in size...in more ways than one, getting quite swole and thicc
>She's not especially bright though, and the fight has to stop while the Knave (who has deceived her in the past) and the rest of the party try to convince her to fight the other side
>Eventually she gives up and decides she'll give Blakeley over to whoever can beat her in a fight
>Then she grabs Blakeley and tosses him out the volcano, into the sky
>Wow, he's still going

>>53979089
No, you just have to hit with an attack that's keyed to the grab ability (which usually means any natural attack).

>>53979150
Much banter was had during these sections. The party had their own thoughts and taunts on the current 'takeover' in particular

>>53979150
>The party continues the fight, with several robots being blasted apart by Astarte, and the floating woman (who is in fact an illusion surrounding a gem) being smacked around a little, though not too worse for wear
>Eventually the Champion gets angry and grabs the ground
>She's really, really strong
>And really dumb
>She has so much of both these things, no one can tell her she can't pick up the entire battlefield and throw it into the sky
>So she does
>Dragon Game: Directed by Platinum
>Session ends in the middle of a sky-fight with Lameeka landing a pretty nice ass-attack on the champion, while Zev the dragon meido goes to work with her claws and fangs

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>>53979087
>>53979150
>>53979180
Here's the pic of the knight lady while being inhabited by The Champion

>>53979159
>The creature has the option to conduct the grapple normally, or simply use the part of its body it used in the grab to hold the opponent. If it chooses to do the latter, it takes a –20 penalty on its CMB check to make and maintain the grapple, but does not gain the grappled condition itself.

>If it chooses to do the latter, it takes a –20 penalty on its CMB check to make and maintain the grapple, but does not gain the grappled condition itself.

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Polearms, two-handed swords, or two-handed axes?

>>53979488
Two handed swords for highest average damage. Polearms for reach. Axes for style points.

>>53979488

Would Greatsword even exist in medieval setting? This sword is from the renaissance, designed to break pike formations.

>>53979703

Well, there are monsters around.

>>53972119
Now ill have to make you take responsibility for this idea you just gave me, anon
The keyboard gnomes will be hard at work tonight :^)

>>53980168
Who?

No adventurer's armoy 2 yet?

What happened to chaoswasteland forum? Been down for nearly 2 weeks

>>53980168
Just keep me updated and I'll take all the responsibility I can.

>>53976374
Hahaha, I haven't played for two months because everyone is flaky as fuck, extra sauce bcz summer.

>>53974833
Because they love their cancer.

>>53970290
Is anyone familiar with "Pathfinder Player Companion: Heroes of the Streets".

I don't play Pathfinder but am looking to run a campaign along this theme. Is it mostly classes/feats/etc, or is there solid campaign material in there? Running stuff in cities, etc.

Any help would be appreciated.

What's the best class for an affable murderer in Pathfinder if the usual 3pp suspects are allowed?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEllHMWkXEU

>>53981478
I need to say the Vigilante, senpai. Serial Killer Vigilante.

Should I go witch, anti paladin or magus?

It's a pirate game.

>>53981526
Paladin. Immunity to Scurvy, among other things.

>>53981556
>paladin

>>53981526
That really depends, Skulls and Shackles works great when you've got a Magus.

>>53981573
>Justice pirate, sailing the seas attacking unjust nations' vessels and battling rapacious killers on the waves.

It could sell.

>>53981246
Try reading it! ;D

>>53981577
How so?

>>53981585
Don't be an ass

>>53981600
It's good damage potential in a campaign full of foes weak to lightning.

>>53978077
They've been posting greentexts for the last few weeks, though. It seemed like they were skipping the weeks where they were fucking around sandpoint spilling their spaghetti, but telling us about plot stuff like thistletop.

>Check SoM archetypes again
>Remember that right when they came out, people complained SoM Magus gives up Cantrips for no reason
>Devs say it had to give -something- up and cantrips was the only thing
>People keep saying it's not fun, some people even point out it contradicts magus fluff because they don't get Read Magic anymore
>SoM's solution: Give Magus Read Magic at will, still remove all other cantrips

I am in pain

>>53981246
Player Companion books contain a little bit of setting fluff combined with more space dedicated to classes/feats/equipment (typically connected to the aforementioned fluff). Player Companions are also fairly short (around 30 pages or less) so they don't have much in them. Are you looking to port fluff from the book over to a different system or are you evaluating the fitness of Pathfinder to the kind of game you want to run?

Is Brutal slayer currently the only way to get strongth to AC? Maybe one of those spheres classes has one.
BS/whatever gestalting isn't especially bad (aside from those orphaned class features that may be errata'd later) but I can see why not everyone would want to have to lock in half the gestalt just to use a stat, hence the dexies in jttw.

>>53981773
I think the JttW case has more to do with the fact that dexfag characters are more thematically appropriate to a wuxia extravaganza than stronkmen.

>>53981511
Oh, that's a good idea! And I've never gotten to play a vigilante before.

Now I just need to find a good game for a snazzy serial killer.

>>53981869
There's a Vilderavn game? Link me the LFG.

>>53981816
You could swing some serious weeb nonsense while also being stronk. Eschewing traditional armors in favor of allowing your chiselled body to protect you while wearing nothing but a fundoshi.Being able to accurately toss a cannonball a few miles, most of the stuff that involves impaling people and using them as weapons.

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>>53981877
Oh shit, we're not supposed to mention that one outside of the discord, forget I said anything.

>>53981816
Level 10 Norse Saga/Arthurian Romance/Greek Epic campaign WHEN?!?!

>>53981904
When Ensoulment hits level 10 in 3 years.

>>53981917
>When the DM insists a level 11 start is terrible because the system breaks down at a level they'll reach in 2 years

My almonds? They're pretty activated.

>>53981900
Give me a hint or a handle and I can find you later

>>53981917
>>53981941

> taking this long to level up and get through a game

Do you retards have Down syndrome or something lol

>>53982027
They're referring to campaigns that recruit around here, which focus on "roleplay" and "text" than actually pushing the plot forward.

>>53982027

A lot of that is style. I've been running a game for two years and the party has gone from level one to level six. I do plot-based leveling, so each level has felt like a result of getting something significant done.

>>53982068

That sounds boring as fuck and like you have no creativity when it comes to challenging people once they actually have tools beyond ' roll a skill check'.

>>53982103

That's a good number of assumptions, friend.

>>53982125
A game should be ending by two years, and that assumes hefty months-long hiatuses.

>>53982125

I don't need to make assumptions when it took you to fucking years to go up 5 levels from starting level 1. You clearly can't handle the system or any major player tools that come into effect pass the initial gauntlet. I feel special e sorry for any martial players you might have, talk about being cucked. At least be honest and switch over to E6 instead of fucking around in the quagmire boring shit that that you are currently rolling around in like a pig in filth.

>>53982163

Why? Because you say so?

>>53982174

My players are enjoying themselves and are engaged in the plot, though. I mean, you can lecture me all day about how things 'should' be, but the reality I'm living in doesn't line up with what you're saying.

Is there any pathfinder class that actually does Necromancy well?

Would it be bullshit to throw gestalt enemies at non-gestalt PCs? Specifically, the only gestalt NPCs and villains would be particularly strong end-game threats.

JttW picks when?

>>53982340
i guess that could make a bit of sense. though it all depends on how strong your PC's are in the first place. if they use conventional options that are nothing out of the ordinary, you might not have to, for example.

>>53982241
Oracle is phenomenal, wizard and Cleric are very good, shaman and witch can get in on the action, even.
And that's just 1pp.

>>53982235

>'muh ''''''comfy'''''''' gaems'

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I'm like 90% sure my GM is magical realming us, but no one else has noticed and I'm not confident enough to talk to him about it. Advice?

>>53982533

Going to need more specifics than that, although I'm pretty sure you're just bullshiting.

Current /sfg/:
>>53982544

What's the best way to make guns works as a complement weapon?

>>53982595
Guns Everywhere rules.

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>>53982567
It seems to be TF, vore, and to a lesser extent giantess.

Four separate NPCs we've met have been qt shapeshifters, three of which had tentacles and two of which had swallow whole attacks. Most monsters bigger that us have swallow whole, including the tribe of amazonian giants the exterminated. Half the spellcasters we face have petrification or polymorphs handy, and there was a side quest where we shrank down and had to fight a regular-sized witch.

Maybe I've just been on /tg/ too long, but it all seems really skeevy to me. None of the others go on /tg/ as far as I know, and they don't seem affected by it.

>>53982672
>amazonian giants who try to swallow you
Yeah dude, that's a magical realm and a half. Talk to your dm.

>>53982068
That sounds fun as shit, honestly. A lot of systems do leveling fast as fuck in relation to the lives of the characters, and it's always been one of those things that really breaks it for me, as the player characters essentially go from being scrubs to demigods in a matter of months, maybe even just a few weeks.

Even most of the Adventure Paths for Pathfinder appears to be guilty of this, taking you from level 1 to level 15-18 in just a few days/weeks at a time, spread out over 5 scenarios. It's insane, and it's just terrible pacing.

How beneficial is to pick grit or a lvl in gunslinger?

>>53983216
Depends entirely on what you're doing. if you're gonna be full attacking a lot with the gun, it's probably worth it. but if not, the value decreases, i think......of course, with the right combination of Firearm and Reliable/Greater Reliable/ Picking up a Pistol of the Infinite Skies, misfire can become a non issue, as it should have been in the first place.

Is there any potetential use to carry a bow and a musket at the same time?

What would happen if a pugilist/ monk, punched/ palm strikes an enemy while holding a vial of alchemist's fire?

>>53981760
i was looking for more of a DM guide sort of thing.

While I don't run Pathfinder myself, I find myself liking a lot of the books they put out. Like the system or not, I think there is some serious quality in some of the items and adventures that Pathfinder has.

So my next campaign that I am running has the players running a variety of street children. Some are pawns of the local thieves guild, some are what passes for indentured members of the mages guild, that sort of thing (although 'guild' is just shorthand, that isn't what I am doing). Coming of age adventures with sewers and ratmen abound.

So I was looking for city based supplements. And like I said, I tend to like a lot of what Pathfinder puts out.

>>53983489
I'm pretty sure that's how the Flaming Fists were born.

Can Simulcurum's catch diseases.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?528186-Dreamscarred-Press-New-playtest-the-Rajah-an-akashic-initiator!

Is this what Gareth meant with that Pharaoh hint?

>>53983590
Maharajah when??

>>53983590
holy shit that was fast

>>53983590
guess so.

liking what I see, PF needs more 4e-style leaders.

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Bad news: I spent several hours of valuable writing time doing this mediocre color job on WS' Witch pic.
Good news: Anon has given me a terrible, terrible idea and I'm absolutely going to write as much of it tonight as I can.
I'm sorry Wist

>>53983590
That's rad

>>53983881
raj*

>>53983741
Rodrick and Rinta hate fucking? and her outlasting him?

>>53983741
How many Witches do we have in /pfg/ campaigns?

An art or story of Witch, Branwen, Quinn, and the others all meeting for a coven might be cute.

It is the final day!

Will you be applying to Journey to the West?

>>53984028
Is it time to start placing bets on PLD?

>>53983590
I don't like it.

>>53984028

Nah. The concept looks fun, but level 10 gestalt is a realm of power I can't deal with.

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5112384/character-thread/?pageforid=5206825#post-5206825

>Wake up
>Go to see if there are new apps to JttW
>See this

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

Fools, said I, you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence

>>53984073
Because....?

Would giving a boss a mythic simple template make it too good against normal pcs? I dont have any experiance with mythic so I was hoping to dip my toes in with something simple.

>>53984028
Opposite reason as >>53984088

Level 10 Gestalt sounds great, but I cannot abide the setting.

>>53984210
>>53984158
Seems like it's trying too hard to be "bard but not really". Don't see why anyone would play this when they could play any other support character. The little nods to better out of combat utility are nice, but feel tacked on but still weaker than what an actual support spell caster would get.

Also I really dislike the Vassalage class feature if only because I don't really understand what the hell it's supposed to look like within the context of what's happening in the game world.

It looks like something I'd only even consider playing in Gestalt or as a tagalong NPC if the party is having trouble.

>>53984239
Much of the support is "fire and forget". You install buffs on your friends, copy one of the titles for yourself while you're at it with one of the veils, and then focus on either strikes (I suggest firearms for the touch resolution) or buffs/debuffs that don't bank on your shitass BAB.

You could always try to use the weapon-veils where BAB = veilweaver level, but let's be honest here; your capacity sucks, hand cannons suck, so it's spear-of-light or not a veil weapon.

>>53984339
>that don't bank on your shitass BAB
At least your vassalage gives you an attack fixer. You end up with something like +10 BaB +7 from class feature. So you're like a 3/4ths BaB class. Just without the extra attack you'd get from actually being 3/4ths

>>53984339
>buffs/debuffs that don't bank on your shitass BAB

they get a huge bonus to attack rolls during vassalage attacks. So yes, focus on strikes, because they don't full attack well

New thread

>>53984402
>>53984402
>>53984402
>>53984402

>>53984339
But the Question for a Leader-Type Class would be as follows: How would it Match up Compared to, say, a Bard, or a Zealot, or a Mystic, or a Tactician, or Possibly even a Highlord (Depending on how the Playtest goes). if it can compare to those guys in the whole "Party Support" Role in it's own unique style or at least match up in numbers, then it should be usable. otherwise, most people, myself included, would more than likely go for one of the classes i mentioned.
tl;dr, does it stand out in any way?

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>>53984415
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>>53984403
Now if only it wasn't specific to needing weapons in hand, so that the breath weapon veil could work with, say, aether pulse barrages under that dual-wield feat...

>>53984415
We had just hit autosage, kys faggot.

>>53984425

Yeah, they have some strong buffs, utility on their chassis, and hit WAY harder than, say, bard or highlord or tactician.

>>53984415
>pathfinder general
>not Paizo general
>page 1
report this shit

>>53984436
Good thing you can't use breath weapons with strikes, eh? They're PoW martials.

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Not exactly sure why, but I'm kind of getting excited to see the JttW picks.

>>53984513
I get excited for all picks no matter how little I cared about the game before selections

>>53984513
That's because you're eager to see if your self-shilling will get you in the game!

>>53984028
No because I wouldn't get in no matter what I tried.

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>>53984028
I want to but I REALLY shouldn't, since I likely won't have time for it later down the road. It's unfortunate, since I have at least a vague outline of something I'd really, really like to try.

>>53984548
>I don't even have an app in
>self-shilling
:thinking:

>>53984593
is it on the same level of "I really want to try it" as my Hexenwachter Idea?

Let's disregard memes for a second.
What would a good Ensoulment party look like, mechanically? Who fills what roles? What party roles are oversaturated among strong picks?

>>53984593
It's okay Broodie.

>>53984550
Just believe in yourself, Anon!

>>53984620
>What party roles are oversaturated among strong picks?
Face. Face is always oversaturated.

>>53984627
basketball is STILL a shit meme

>>53984425
Well, I'm still reading through, but so far:
>Make a bunch of unseen servants each with at-will create water, create light. Shawinigans will ensue
>Oh they can also basically act as a wardrobe and treasury

>Bless any building/structure/land/business so it produces +50% yield. You can maintain Initiation-Mod blessings at a given time

>You can grant the entire party a *stacking* inherent stat bonus. One per person, but stacks with existing inherents to +5.

>You can grant partymembers teleport moves. At will, as an alternate move option, and it lets them roll stealth (though at -10) every time for free as well

>Grant partymember ability to do a free action single target debuff; one at a time, every round. If bound it can be a burst or cone and they get unholy weapon too. Essence greatly improves the penalties

>partymembers gain ability to heal themselves on hit for half the damage they dealt. They could hold multiple charges at a time, recharging as their own move actions

>AoE echoes that do untyped damage the turn after. Give this shit to a Gambler using concussive onslaught

>Curse upgrades for those that use those

>Grant Tap animus with an elemental effect as well

>Grant psionic focus and a few effects

>Grant free no-AoO move when the ally hits

>Grant ranged attackers the ability to originate their shots from anywhere in their first increment. Total range travelled vs increments IS used for calculations so it's more of a 'redirect shot', but maximum range can be taken from the origin point (so you could get the thing to like, -12 instead of -10). It also lets you redirect against another target on a miss, 1+Essenceinvested per round

>Grant infinite ammo and/or phantom thrown weapons (it's your thrown weapon but you don't need to retrieve it). These can be normal or one of the elements with an extra bonus and damage conversion

>Grant sonic damage and dragoon dives (with fall immunity and instant-drop+damage bonuses from any altitude)

>>53984467
no that breath weapon triggers on two-weapon hits. So you could use a "main/off weapon" strike and so long as both hit you ALSO trigger the breath weapon. It's basically a special 'rend'.

>>53984659
Well, that was partly why i asked the question. What picks are sharing crowded spaces though? Can we get a summary of roles?

>>53984665
>Grant a partymember a permanent 'twin' duplicate that allows flanking, some damage bonuses, and general "which is the real one" fuckery

>Give a partymember lots of poison attacks, or a berserking stat-boost that continues as long as they hit with unarmed/natural

>Give a partymember a big morale buff aura to attack and damage

All of these are basically permanent. You shape the veil on the ally, and as long as they're not too far away (some like the teleport ones don't have an issue with distance though) they have the effect perma-on. You can shape this stuff in the morning to however you like/need it.

And none of this has touched whatever leadership you get out of stuff like golden lion maneuvers.

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>>53984618
I haven't the foggiest idea, but considering how large my "want to try this" list I'm unsure how it measures up. It's nothing particularly fancy in this case, it was just a relatively simple and clean Panoply Savant Occultist||(Vigilante/Bushi) Stalker. A true autismal Swordmaster and possibly an actual elf.

>>53984627
I can only dream of being as big of a slut as Broodie is.

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>>53984659

>tfw hate being face
>tfw almost always have to be it even if I am not a CHA based character

Anyone else know these feels?

>>53984750
I do. My groups always seem to expect me to be the talker.

>>53984693
Face, Tank, Glass Cannon, Skill Monkey, Knowledge Bot, Ranged Attacker, Area Controller, Buffer, Utility Caster, Band-Aid, and Scout are the Roles that i can think of off the top of my head. Tank and Face are arguably the most popular.

>>53984750
>Play a 7 charisma fullcaster
>But I'm the only player that's able to make the plot progress because the others just expect me to do the talking
>If I try to let them be they freeze up, even the high cha bard

>>53984665
>>53984742
Granted, you can't do all of this at once; but the options are there, which is nice.
>>53984750
jesus christ that webm

Hinterlander: Yay or nay and what for? Assume ideal conditions for the class,

>>53984750
Me. No matter what we play and what I play, I end up being de facto leader, even when I'm playing characters that are blatantly anti-social.

Sometimes I even stop and try to make sure that I'm not taking center stage too much, and I always worry that they hate me for de facto dictating what we're doing.

I should just stop and always play high-charisma (or equivalent) characters.

Actually this makes me REALLY want to play a high-Cha Bloodrager, but I just feel the pain of how shitty that would be.

>>53984780
Tank and face are usually really popular in /pgg/ games yeah, STR/CHA boys are as common here as ever. I think it has to do with ERP sensibilities.

I'm really surprised at all the rogue types though.

>>53984659
That's because face isn't really a role, its just something anyone can do with a small investment. Extra true in gestalt

>>53984415

Rekt

>>53984750
>play Int-based classes almost exclusively, especially as reserved, reactive characters, because I'm a huge sucker for skills
>I keep needing to step up and do a lot of talking and forging ahead because the two Cha-based characters are played by a narcoleptic and someone who's probably dumped Cha IRL

>>53985037

That is the worst. I love having 15 skills. I love the knowledge skills. I hate having to talk to every person despite dumping CHA and not taking diplomacy/bluff/intimidate