/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>53917229
Do you allow your players to have follower NPCs?

Wondering, because I want to play a Rigger with a semi-truck that has a bunch of not!Warboys.

Having trouble digging up some fluff. Which of the NAN states refuse to recognize corporate extraterritoriality? Especially interested in how the PCC does it, since they're basically a corp anyway. Would they recognize it for others?

>>53918038
That is a really bad idea, combat gets slowed down enough with matrix shenanigans, adding in another half-dozen initiatives to track would strain the system, the other players, and your GM's patience.

>MBW

>Researchers have been struggling with it for decades and still haven’t perfected it, but it’s at least closer to being usable today than ever before.

>Any user under an active system will be affected by constant small twitches and tremors due to the complex interactions of the system, which vanish as soon as the system engages actual movement, returning whenever they are once again still.

Anything you can do that involves movement will work just fine under MBW. It's staying still becomes twitchy.

>>53918328
So anyone with nervous tics or that can't sit still is probably concealing that they have MBW active?

>Chummer for 5e only has Equine shapeshifter available
Horsefuckers, not even once

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>>53918617
It's a test object, shapeshifters aren't implemented yet.

>>53918639
Too late, we already know you're a brony Yekka.

>>53918639
why didn't you go with a safe option like Lupine or Canine

why out yourself as a horsefucker

>>53918692
I needed to make sure their movement rate bullshit worked properly :<

>>53918750
I'm just peeved because I'm making a Vulpine Shapeshifter for a game starting this Friday and I don't want to do it all by hand and your not being done has forced me to not be lazy

>>53918779
Teeeeechnically you can make it work, I've got the files somewhere. The problem is that once you move to career mode the attributes don't split up properly; I really wanted Chummer to be able to manage that split properly and automagically recalculate all your limits and skill pools and such, but I couldn't get it to notify about the updates properly and got annoyed at it.

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>>53917229

>Welcome back to /srg/, chummer
>Last Viewed Files: >>53865560 →
>Code_of_Honor.knwsft
>Corps:_Feudal_Lords_Of_The_Sixth_World.trid
>Rules_of_Nature.sim
>Japanese.linguasoft

That made me smile. Thank you OP.

>>53918818
I'll just do it by hand, but I would say that it's probably smart to handle those.

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>>53918818
do you know much about GCA or GCS. I know that's not shadowrun, unless you are using GURPS 4e to run a game in the shadowrun setting, but I figured asking someone who is the lead developer of a character program about other character programs may be a good idea.

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>>53917229

Thank you to the anon who has been helping me rebuilt my character.

I have a question though.

Why did you include the "Flight skill" on the character build examples you gave me (the BP one is posted here but the karmagen one was it too)

The flight skill is on page 292 of the sr4 20th anniversary core book and says

>Flight:

>Critters capable of flight may possess a special Flight skill.
This skill measures how well the creature can fly and is used the same
way as the Running or Swimming skills are used for movement.


Is this supposed to be for piloting flight capable drones?

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>>53919425
Probably a Chummer bug, Flight is included in the Athletics skill group so it may be getting added in mistakenly.
>>53918907
Means nothing to me, gurps is weird.

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>>53918617
>>53918692
>seven years and still triggered

Would you accept a building sized AI as a fixer?

>>53920310
I read the blurb on the back and it hasn't been changed at all.
Lazy editing/10

>>53918403
MBW is always on omae, thats one of the big flaws. You're gonna be a twitchy autist unless you yank it out.

>>53920313
>Trusting an AI
>Trusting a building sized AI

The Arcology Shutdown incident wasn't THAT long ago.

>>53920313
I don't think we would have a choice.

>>53920333
That's not even the funny thing. The funny thing is what they snuck into the 4e Augmentation book. Go read up on Fiberoptic Hair.

How does one get into Shadowrun? The corebook is honestly the least accessible piece of RPG literature I've read and so far the rules seem to be a complete clusterfuck. Am I wrong in thinking this?

So by the by how is Anarchy? I really want to play Shadowrun but getting my group to do complicated systems is like teaching a dog math. It doesn't work out well.

>>53920356
Mane is a common term for hair desu, I wouldn't have thought anything of it and still don't

>>53920353
>>53920348
Okay, you have to choose:
Dragon or tower sized AI?

>>53920398
Dragon. Fuck, I'd choose a dragon twice over an AI.

>>53920426
shit, really?

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>>53920386
>black hair with sparkling stars
>smoothly-flowing rainbow colors
>can be electrostatically manipulated to flow and swirl as if alive

Whatever, man.

>>53920451
Ninety thousand people died because a building-sized AI decided to reenact the Saw movies.

>>53920555
didn't a dragon explode all of germany once?

>>53920484
I think you're just paranoid anon. I know enough about the show to see how they COULD be a reference but its rather unlikely.

>>53920704
The dates line up, too. We're everywhere. It's nothing to be afraid of; most of us just like the same nerdy shit you like.

>>53920555
>>53920583
I mean, its not like working for corps is any better.

>>53920771
Honestly, I'd be pretty enthusiastic for working for a giant AI.
I just hope it's the refreshing, actually-good-at-its-job kind.

But, as I cannot get a running game, I would have to GM it, so I can only hope other people would feel the same.

>>53920810
Working for an AI is great until it goes yandere and suddenly your toaster wants to fuck.

>>53920181
>mistakenly
>not spreading your wings and taking flight in the shadows and having your GM shoot you down like Icarus

Can we talk about 5e Matrix defense for non-hackers? In 4e I used to buy an agent to run on my commlink to prevent being casually rolled by script kiddies. Am I right in reading that agents only work on decks now? Is there an analogous strategy I should be using?

>>53920310

At the height of the brony craze I had a player that made a centaur physad inspired by Rainbow Dash. In a campaign set in a Southeast Asian warzone. It was weird but...kind of worked? Mostly?

>>53921160
Either run your devices silently, or turn off wireless.

If you wanna risk it, slave all your devices to a commlink with a high Firewall stat.

>>53921160
>Am I right in reading that agents only work on decks now?
Technically, yes, but not if you get the commlink that runs an agent, or mod your commlink to run programs via Virtual Machine, and run an agent on either of the two program slots.

>>53920583
No, it set all of germany on fire. Dragons don't breathe explosions.

I want to build a physadept sniper but I have no idea how 5th edition works

How would I go about doing this?

>>53921396
Some dragons do!

>>53920373
5e's editing is known to be awful. If you read German, the German 5e books are actually properly edited, otherwise your only choices are forcing your way through the book or going back to an older version. Or using the fluff in a different system.

>>53920379
Anarchy's shit. You're much better off using the rules from something like Blades in the Dark or The Sprawl or Technoir if you want a rules-light SR.

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>>53920373
For SR5, the superbook in the pastebin is a better organized, no bullshit version of the rules. Once you've read that you can use the rules summary sheets and cheat sheets to get a better idea on specific mechanics. Then, once you know what you're looking for you can go find it in the core book.

Its going to be obtuse. You're going to have to GM. That means you'll need to read everything. The upside is that your players can scrape by reading the ~1/3 relevant to their character.

>>53921578
Is the super book just core, or does it have any supplement stuff jammed in there?

>>53921578
Wait wheres the superbook?

So apparently the Chilean government has a massive problem with Cartels wielding a vast array of Asian weaponry according to this document a Chilean internet friend of mine has linked:
http://www.dgmn.cl/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Cartilla%20de%20Implementos%202014.pdf
After reading over the contents, you may notice that some of these are listed as 'legendary swords,' to which I suggest adding to your game an adventure set in South America based around the local cartels importing legendary Asian swords to parade them around as bling and use for dumb cartel shit. Imagine a Chilean in a tank top and jeans cutting through dudes with a magic chinese straightsword, one-handed with zero technique, and there's four more guys like him coming along, also their boss ate a red toad that gave him super strength.

Just a thought.

As a physical adept should my Initiations solely be used on gaining Power Points? Or are there any metamagics that I should pick up first?

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I want to pull a Liquid Ocelot on my players in an upcoming run. If you're not familiar with what that is, basically, a villain gets killed, but one of their body parts gets grafted onto somebody else, and then that person seems to get "possessed" by the dead villain. I want to leave it open, so I'm not looking to establish a definite explanation for this, but what could be some plausible explanations for the personality of the dead villain manifesting through the grafted body part, either magical or technological?

>>53922060
Magic
dragons
Magic dragons

>>53920379
It's an excellent way to get someone interested in the world of Shadowrun, but I dislike the mechanics intensely.
>>53921603
The guy maintaining it got bored a while back, I think it hasn't been updated in two years or so.
>>53922060
CFD?

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So, how many other books are there planned for 5e? I know we have Technos coming (when we hit the death of the sun) and I think an Ork and Troll book I'm looking forward to. Anything else?

>>53922060
It has to be nanomachines, everything in MGS is nanomachines.

>>53922177
CFD.

>>53922101

Commence virtuous shadowrun

>>53922060
>ut what could be some plausible explanations for the personality of the dead villain manifesting through the grafted body part
Are you considering a head as possible graft?
Seems like the most sensible solution imo.

>>53922241
>>53922371
>>53922177
>>53922543
CFD is Nanomachines Son.

>>53922223
About three more magic books, maybe a book with 3/4 of it being fluff and a few cool cyberlimbs at the end.

>>53923495
Is there -any- edition of shadowrun where robots and cybers are cool and effective and good?

>>53923507
3e's Sorcery is apparently kind of shit, so there maybe?

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>>53923045
That's kinda the point.

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Anyone considered an American Gods style reboot of the Sixth World, with gods replacing dragons?

Ares Macrotechnology actually run by Ares, for instance?

>>53923721
No, I am not considering that.

>>53923830
So glad I specifically asked for people with non-answers and negative opinions, mate.

>>53923885
You asked if people were considering doing it, and I assumed it was a genuine question. Sorry, mate.

>>53918038
Player controlled NPC's? No. But more than one PC at a time so that they still have a character to play while the other is unavailable (surgery recovery, prison, etc), sure.

In fact the latter makes sense. Get tour players to make two characters, one is inactive while the other is active.

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Hrm. Give me an opinion on whether Dedicated Spellslinger lets you exceed the MAG * 2 limit for spells in character creation.

>>53925541
Eh, should be okay. Available karma at chargen will put a hard limit on the amount of spells known even with a big priority in magic.

>>53923721
nope.

>>53921160
>Can we talk about 5e Matrix defense for non-hackers? In 4e I used to buy an agent to run on my commlink to prevent being casually rolled by script kiddies. Am I right in reading that agents only work on decks now? Is there an analogous strategy I should be using?
Turn wireless off and pay for a hardware expert to remove the functionality altogether. If you want to have a guncam and hud, use a wire; you don't need your gun to check your twitter feeds.

>>53914335
>And Wired Reflexes is cheaper, less intrusive and actually not so experimental as Move-BY-Wire

MBW came long before Wired Reflexes. It is way more expensive and intrusive, but in the 2050's it was way more common than it is now, because WR was still in it's infancy. A government bureaucracy that continues to use the more expensive and damaging option because the implantation procedures aren't up for committee review for another 8 years is entirely possible.

>>53921160
Data Trails has what you need to run an Agent on your commlink. Just gotta mod it to use a module like >>53921257 said, then slap Virtual Machine into it to run the Agent plus one other program of your choice, like Armor.
Unfortunately they don't make a Firewall dongle.

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Chummers, I have a question.

You find a crate full of fifteen women, caked in their own waste and suffering from btl withdrawal, inside a Triad warehouse you just hit.

Do you sell them for organs or help them recover and get back on their feet?

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>>53926419
I take them out of there and to my contact at a woman's shelter, along with a stack of nuyen from warehouse stuff I grabbed and sold.

>>53926419
Well the first time we set them up with group of eco fighters/ pirates that found good places for the girls
Second time was with bunraku dolls that half we found place in the local food farms as workers and the other half joined our gang
You can be Kane or Captain Chaos
The choice is yours chummer

>>53926419
The latter. I don't know why people have forgotten that SR is cyberpunk, not cybersociopath.

>>53926567
Cyber ain't cheap, omae.

>>53926597
Not worth it if the punk dies

>>53926419
Why did I just hit a Triad warehouse? I don't do dealings with the Underworld, those fuckers don't have rules against fucking with family.

>>53926789
Why do you hit anything? For nuyen.

>>53926789
There are all kinds of reasons to hit a Triad warehouse that don't involve doing it for a rival crime family.

>>53926419
Stash 'em in a safehouse "for their protection", hose 'em off, dress 'em up, tell them you're arranging for a coyote to get them out of the city and far away from their Triad kidnappers. Then get your fixer contact to put the word out that you've recovered the Triad's "lost assets" from a pack of scumbag do-gooders that won't be seeing the light of day again, and you're wondering if there's a finder's fee for the return of these slags the Triad's paying. Nothing wrong with getting a payday and getting in good with a Triad for doing them a service. Alternatively, if the Triad's too cheap to not be offering a finder's fee on their little birds, find a different buyer that'll want 'em. Individual rate or bulk, makes no difference really, it'll be nuyen you didn't have yesterday.

>>53923593
Yes I know. We still get people who don't know what CFD is and I was pointing it out for their benefit.

>>53922060
A specific strain of CFD? Maybe infesting a cyberlimb or something?

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>>53921424
Enhanced Accuracy adept power. Other powers that boost your pool. Probably want to get a couple related to movement.

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>>53922017
Might want masking/flexible signature, Harmonious Defense from FA to fuck up mages, maybe one of the Ways from SG.

>>53921424
As a pure PhysAd, you'll want to have high agility (5+), 6 in Longarms with a Sniper Rifles specialization. Then for Adept Powers, take Improved Reflexes 2 or 3, Enhanced Accuracy (Longarms), and Improved Ability (Longarms). Everything else you do in terms of murder or sub specializations is up to you.

High agility and reaction makes becoming a Wheelman or a Physical Infiltrator easy, and having such a high Longarms dice pool means you're also a shotgun and lever action savant, which is important because all the best Sniper Rifles are highly illegal. For other Adept Powers, Combat Sense, Nimble Fingers, and Rapid Draw are all common high value powers. I'm also a fan of linguistics.

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>>53926789
But fucking with the Underworld is awesome, because then it opens up the opportunity for non-stop warfare. It isn't a Shadowrun campaign until you have to exterminate the leadership caste of a whole organized crime syndicate.

>>53925541
Hmmm pure RAW ?
Dedicated Spellslinger counts against the limit of spells known at character creation
1) The spells you get are free of karma but would still count as spells you know
2) In its description it does not state that the limit is ignored
3) It feels like a quality to help Aspect Magicians get equal number of spells as mages but free them some karma not one to give mages even more spells

I'm currently building a face/decker for my next character, and got to thinking...what are some legitimate reasons someone might give you a mark on their device? I'm thinking of posing as some sort of superior and asking wageslaves for marks on their devices to get the files I need, rather than hacking them and getting OS. Plus, that also means I can listen in on their conversations for hours after I leave.

>>53925541
By RAW no, since the quality doesn't say the spells provided by Spellslinger can exceed the limit of MAGx2. Perhaps make it an houserules option like "Qualities that provide spells can exceed the maximum spell limit at character creation".

>>53929394
>Listen, in a meeting right now and I need the quarterly report ASAP, could you toss me a mark on the data server so I can snag it?
>Hey this is IT, we're doing routine software updates, and it looks like your workstation didn't update correctly, I need to take a quick look at it though remote access.
>Hey, I'm new, and IT hasn't gotten off their asses to give me the proper permissions yet, I need to access file X, do you think I could just quickly grab it off your workstation? I'll buy you coffee later.

>>53929394
If you're conning people into giving you marks, you don't need to be a decker at all.

>>53929850
You're not always going to be able to con someone into giving you marks though, so being able to hack your way in while also being a smooth talker opens a lot of new avenues for getting access you otherwise wouldn't have.

Who do I have to pay to rewrite the corebook for humans? This is beyone fucking awful.

>>53930391
The freelancers
Alternative is learning German and using their books. Pegasus actually have editors

>>53930391
Raven c.s. McCracken

>>53930391
An assassin to kill Coleman

>>53930475
Not even that. You have to strike at the heart of the guys who actually own the Shadowrun license and let him get away with this.

What's chummer coded in?

>>53930573
An editor
I'm guessing C due to the .NET required

>>53930553
It really isn't Topps' fault. They just don't give a shit as long as it makes money. You just have to somehow convince Topps that you/someone else would make them MORE money with the license.

>>53930573
Love

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>>53920341
Funfact:
The german book added a paragraph where it was explicitely stated that you can turn MBW off like wired reflexes
/krautbragging

>>53921709
Nice find, nifty idea desu

>>53931495
That mug looks so refreshing.

What's MBW?

>>53931707
Move-By-Wire. It's a reaction enhancer, muhc like wired reflexes.

>>53931495
Kidnapping German writers and forcing them to write for us when?

>>53931495
I dunno, I like the idea that MBW is better than WR at lower levels point for point, but the issue is that you act like a spastic retard when you're not doing anything.

>>53931707
Move-By-Wire, its an initiative enhancer that grants bonus raw intiative instead of bonus dice (MBW 2 gives you +2 Rea, +6 Init, and +1d6 Init, unlike WR 2s +2 Rea and +2d6 Init)

>>53929850
There's still a number of useful actions that require an attack or sleaze score, like snoop, spoof command, or format device.

>>53931958
>the issue is that you act like a spastic retard when you're not doing anything
>issue

That's not an issue, that's a fun roleplaying experience.

>>53932131
No, its a death sentence for this ware outside of very pink games.

Being able to shut it off makes it a lot more usable, especially since its F and being a spastic in tactical gear is otherwise a pretty big giveaway.

>>53931823
Back before the embezzlement, when there was still proper pay for freelancers, there was actually a >0 amount of german writers working on english stuff.

>>53930469
The sad thing is it's true.

>>53931823
>>53932353
The Germans were actually head dev team for a while.

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So, I got around to doing the stats of my ex-military french street samurai, thoughts?

>>53932668
>Jeanne
>french military

>>53932668
A thing is that non-implanted biomonitors doesn't play particularily well with augmentations. Depending on whether or not your GM cares.

>>53932668
>under significant street

>>53932806
>he's not under significant street

Not all of us got it easy, corpkid.

Let's say that I'm a stupid idiot that likes the setting but kinda hates the system.

If I wanted to homebrew the shit out of it to make a rules-light version (nothing too narrative, just a bit faster on the rolls and a bit looser with the details), would you start from SR4 or SR5? Which glaring issues would you deal with, first?

>>53926419
lease them to the nearest Yakuza Bunraku Parlor
if I can and sell them only if I must.
harvest any and all non-essential cyberware.

>>53932889
look for the Blades in the dark Hack

>>53932806
Don't you know about TLE-x, the neurological disease that causes you to have a seizure when in sewers or subways going under major roadways?

>>53932889
SR 4 and 5 are pretty close, I'd say the distinction is arbitrary for your purposes.

The hardest issue you're going to have is the matrix. It should be intricate enough to require a specialist (meaning more than one skill to do), while not being its own game within a game. Maybe find a way to reduce the 20+ matrix actions to 6 or so?

Streamlining combat would be nice too, so each attack doesn't require 3 rolls (attack, dodge, soak)

>>53925541
NO
NO NO NO

>>53922223
Trog book and the technomancer book are the only ones I've heard about lately. >>53930573
C# Winforms and XML, targeted to .Net Framework 4.5.1.

Idea: to speed up combat, what if we combined dodge and soak? That's how most systems do it. Defense test could be reaction, body, and armor or something.

>>53936014
What, just like add them together? Because that means any defense test would be at least 14 dice. I'm not sure that simplifies things.

>>53936014
I'd automate soak tests. Your (BOD + Armor)/3 is your "DR". When you soak you just subtract your DR from the (Base Damage + Net Hits).

AP in kind reduces DR by (AP/3).

You'll be able to reduce the math by creating a couple of simple tables listing Soak Pools and AP and their simplified values and handing them out at your table.

In hindsight its not much simpler, but it's one less roll.

>>53931958
>>53932131
The issue is that people exaggerate the state of MBW. Even 3e Cybertechnology only says this much, and it's supposed to be improved since then. Yet here we are trying to make out that it's way worse.

>The system lets you move with unnatural smoothness. Move-by-wire makes someone with mere balance augmentation look spastic. You can spot the joker with move-by-wire a mile off. There's another giveaway too, which I suspect will disappear as they perfect the technology. Every once in a while the person with move-by-wire develops a slight tremor in one muscle group. It's not as obvious as a twitch or spasm, but you can see it if you're looking for it. As far as I know, the tremor only hits when the muscle group is at rest. If it's in motion, everything is fine. I figure it has something to do with built-in errors when the system is compensating for the seizure, but don't quote me on that.

Question: Why can't Pixies become Tir citizens?

Where does it say they can't?

>>53937288
if you're referring to >>53937206

it's in Run Faster that Tir only issues Pixies Criminal SINs

>>53937206
They aren't elves and therefore are submetahuman scum.

>>53937513
desu the elves are right in this particular instance imho

>>53936237
Problem is doing that makes it too easy to make a character that is just impregnable. I'm all for subracted damage resistance, but you can't just plonk it into a system that's not designed for it, if you do it won't end well.

>>53937513
but they let humans and trolls and orcs (and Sasquatches even) have 'em.
>>53937571
fuk u pixies could kick your ass

>>53937513
>implying elves aren't subhuman scum

>>53937621
I read this post entirely wrong due to the use of the word 'Impregnable'

>>53937780
Androwomb bioware chummer.

Does anyone else think that cyberzombies existing sort of diminishes the punch of both magic and technology existing in the setting?
I would much prefer if sure, cyberzombies exist, but they're not the be-all end-all of supersoldier attempts. Where's the otherwise normal guys that had 100 dudes sacrificed into them? Where's the unstoppable robots?
Apparently it all ends in a big cyberzombie anticlimax.

>>53938496
>Where's the otherwise normal guys that had 100 dudes sacrificed into them.

Aztlan.

>Where's the unstoppable robots

In open warfare. The avoidance of which is the reason Shadowrunning exists.

There's nothing to stop you from running a game dealing with either, but they two concepts are usually found in situations that are far outside the purview of a shadowrunner.

>>53938604
I feel like shadowrunners would run into them at least as often as cyberzombies. I mean, you find them in the same type of scenarios.

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FPs are good cyberzombie reference material right?

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>>53938766
Sure given their combat effect, but I much prefer the EYE approach.

>>53938695
You would, except for the fact that a super magic dude is gonna wipe the floor with Shadowrunners, just by how much Shadowrun 5E favors mages.

And a killer robot is either going to shrug off everything short of multiple anti-vehicle rockets, or get hacked by the decker.

Cyberzombies are the only relatively 'fair' threat for a runner team due to how the game is constructed.

But hey, you wanna toss your runners against an AI tank with an automatic assault cannon, missile pods, and point defense lasers who am I to tell you not to?

>>53938815
Technically I'm going to throw a metal gear at them, but yeah, same deal. Double technically, it's a raven.
Triple technically, it's nine ball

>>53938856
>inbr street sam limitbreaks and goes rules of nature.

>>53938939
This is acceptable to me.

>>53938604
Tons of shadowrunning work can be found in a warzone, you kidding me?
Not even fighting for either side, maybe some underground elements want an APC, or stealing a supply convoy to sell on the black market, or hitting a bank that was evac'd before they could empty all the safety deposit boxes, leaving the team to deal with all the automated defenses, etc

>>53938793
Cyberzombies can't hack or use psi powers though.

>>53936014
I hate systems that do that simply because it makes a really fast dodgy dude and a really thicc tanky dude mechanically the same.
Currently magdumping a dodgy guy with 8P will take him down but no matter how much you spray the troll tank he won't feel a thing.
Alternatively, the dodgy guy has a high chance of dodging sniper fire but the tank doesn't, and will most likely take damage from it.
DIfferences of approach when dealing with different enemies is more important than removing one roll (that most people memorize within a session anyway)

>>53936944
Thing is, a MBW 2 system cuts you out of 4 Essence and lowers your social limit by 2, effectively lowering it by 3 with the essence loss. Adding in that streetsams usually arent super charasmatic a decent MBW setup can cripple your social limit down to 1 or 2. It's a pretty significant impact for most cybered up runners. Sure you can fix some of it with a nice suit but in your day clothes good luck.

>>53932769
I don't understand what you mean.
>>53932806
Significant stress, my bad.
Anyone else got any comments or suggestions?

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What's it like being an Elf?

>>53926419

Can we get a water spirit to wash em off a bit before we do anything?

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>>53939045

This. Some of the interesting stuff in wars goes on well behind the front.

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>>53940006
Fucking awesome probably.

>>53940085
A great example for a wartime heist is from the short Halo story "Dirt", in which a squad of marines find out by dumb luck that one of the vaults of a bank in the city they are fighting in never had it's vault emptied, and it had tons of gold inside. The marines are moving to retreat from the city and the squad bribe a pelican pilot to help them in the heist. Once they actually get in the vault they find out a group of a dozen civilians had locked themselves inside and had survived the battle above. Conflict breaks out as the squad realizes the pelican can't hold both them, the civilians, and the gold, to make matters worse they only have time for one trip.

>>53940006
Like being white.

>>53940391
You mean rich.

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I'd climb the Eiger.

>>53940423
No.

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>>53940449
>muh privilege

>>53940449
>>>/pol/

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>>53940483
>>53940470
Don't talk to me ever again.

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>>53940391
He's not wrong

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>>53940470
I love the redneck elf meme

>>53940576
No

>>53940444
Every thread until you like it.

>>53940576
Can I still talk to your wife's son?

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>>53940955
No.

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>>53940942
I do like it, but he posts the same two pictures over and over.

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>>53941252
Despite being Best Girl, Eiger wasn't waifubait enough to get a lot of fanart.

>>53941395
well, that's because glory was best girl.

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>>53941429
delete this

>>53941429
You misspelled "worst" pretty hard there anon.

>>53941523
>"worst"
But that's not Lucky Strike.

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Well chummers, it seems that my runners are planning on carrying out a VIP recovery run with the help of some Personafix BTLs. Basically they've got to break into a corp facility and extract several targets to fulfill their contract, but they don't want to deal with wageslaves that might give them some trouble. So they want to go in, and slot all of these VIPs with Personafixes that will make them compliant and passive. I'd be more willing to let them get away with doing this to one person, but since they're planning on doing this to each of their targets, I want to know some possible complications I could throw at them that could make it harder for them to pull this off. How might I accomplish this?

>>53940026
>disrespecting your spirits like that

Use a fucking hose, you hermetic

>>53941614
Everyone doesn't have skilljacks, and doing it by trode is bullshit

>>53941649
>treating figments of your will that can't even follow your orders right half the time with respect
>not summoning high force spirits just to have them hold your joint

>>53941614
I feel nothing but deep, deep sympathy for that lizardman.
FUCK games not working

>>53941794
It's too bad no treatises on disobedient slaves survived the first Crash. Would have really helped so many mages from dying under the weight of their own ego.

Not every target has a datajack (or equivalent), hence they have to be given a comlink with a hot-sim module to run the BTL. Security becomes aware of the trick and attempts to hack the comlinks on top of stopping them physically.

>>53939831
Sure, it hits your social limit, but that doesn't mean you "act like a spastic".

>The system lets you move with unnatural smoothness.

>Move-by-wire makes someone with mere balance augmentation look spastic.

>You can spot the joker with move-by-wire a mile off.

That and slight tremors when you sit still. So you don't want to sit still. Then you're back to moving unnaturally smoothly. That's enough to be cutting into your social limit.

The real problem of cutting into your social limit is that it hits the socially and charismatically undeveloped characters hard. If they get or have average charisma and social skills, it becomes a minor setback rather than anything significant.

>gave my players a gauss rifle and 45 karma today

Feels good.

>>53943104
what did they do, suck you off?

>>53943276
Nah, I just like stuff to not stagnate. One guy wanted a gun mount and all my adapts are pretty initiated, so 45 is a good feel.

They have a few months to decide while we're on hiatus for a few months.

>>53943276
>His players don't suck him off as a matter of course after every session
Disrespectful desu

Lets play a game /srg/
Post the WORST rule you know of in the books.
My submission:
When a character attempts to influence someone using another language, her persuasive ability is limited by her ability to convey ideas and concepts in that language. To reflect this, whenever a character uses a Charisma-linked Social skill to interact with another character
in a non-native tongue, the Social skill dice used may not exceed the character’s Language skill rating.

>>53944534
That doesn't seem bad
Having Negotiation 6 doesn't matter if you speak the language at a broken level.

worse:
When a grenade detonates in a confined space, such as
a hallway or room, the gamemaster must first determine
whether any barriers (usually walls) stood firm against
the explosion. Consult the Destroying Barriers rules (p.
197). If the walls or doors hold up, the blast is channeled.
Otherwise, determine blast effects normally.
If the walls hold, the shock wave reflects off of them,
continuing back in the direction from which it came. If
this rebounding shock wave maintains enough Dam-
age Value to reach a character, that character is subject
to the appropriate blast effect. If the character is struck
a second time by the shock wave (once as it headed
out and again as it rebounded), the Damage Value of
the blast is equal to the combined Damage Value of the
two waves.
Theoretically, a detonating explosive’s blast could re-
bound repeatedly off each of the six surfaces in a small,
well-built room, raising the effective Damage Value of the
blast to a value far higher than the original damage of the
grenade. This is known as the “chunky salsa effect.”

>>53944588
It fuckin guts faces anon, you need /20/ in a non native language skill to bring your wits to bare fully as written.
You know who has 20 in a language skill?
Nobody.

>>53920310
So is this a custom cover or did someone actually bother rewriting the whole thing ?

>>53944615
Social skill dice, not total pool. So you only need the language equal to your best social skill.

This does mean that as written, you can try negotiation in a language that you don't speak, and as a good face do about as well as an average person would.

>>53944588
Blasts in enclosed spaces isn't so bad. Either the area is big enough that grenade power falls off fairly rapidly, or it's small enough that whatever's in there gets gibbed.

What's real bad is when you combine enclosed blasts and damage to barriers. Especially in 5e (and maybe 4e, I cant remember), where you have to roll for damage to the barrier.

>>53944667
So the intent is that you lose say, 6 points of skill but keep your 8 Cha and 3 pheromones?
That's actually not so bad if so.

>>53944678
Yes. And linguasofts are easy to get, too.

>>53944678
If you got Cha 8 and 3 pheromones, yeah. Of course, you're probably not going to do anything really complex, but sometimes you don't need complex.

Sometimes you just need a button pressed or some minor charity.

>>53944615
Sorry mate, you're an idiot.

>You can’t add more dice from your Social skill than you have in the language you (attempt to) speak.

>So if Easy Sal knows he can squeeze a few more nuyen out of Mr. Brackhaus if he can communicate clearly with the man, and Sal’s Negotiation is 6 but his German is only 3, Sal can only use 3 skill dice to worm more money out of the man.

Only applies to dice from skill ranks, and you're almost never going to have a dice pool higher than 6.

If you're retardedly worried about losing dice by not having the correct language(s) at high enough ranks, take the Linguist positive quality, which adds +1 die to all language skill tests, and doubles the received skill ranks for bought skill ranks during chargen.

>>53944668
>>53944588
Speaking of enclosed blasts, you increase the damage each time the shockwave reaches the point, yes? Wouldn't that mean that, due to geometry, blasts in cylindrical areas like sewer pipes are ridiculously deadly?

>>53944764
Yes. See the example in the book where that poor devil rat gets hit for a ridiculous 156P damage.

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>>53942395
Or drop some nuyen on fashion armor and never worry about social limit again, unless you've criminally dumpstatted your CHA.

Sasquatch Face: good idea/best idea?

>>53945788
>lets make the team face be the only guy who can't talk without sign language and technology

>>53946102
He's smooth enough that he can get in anywhere with just a wink and a quiet snuffling noise.

>>53945788
>>53946139
Isn't there something like every mutant quality that you take gives you a negative to your social limit or something like that? None of my players even wanted to touch the metavariants so I don't even bother remembering.

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>>53946179
-1 to social dicepools for each negative metagenetic quality and -1 Social Limit for every 3. Which reminds me, I need to implement that.

>>53946179
nope there's specific ones that add to your 'freak' rating basically, but that's mostly for Changelings/'wrong' Metavariants. Metasapients like Sasquatches are expected to look goofy and weird. They get some penalties but they don't really stack that much.

>>53946212
wait shit is that really the rule? Fucking confusing sidebar in Run Faster. Why is 5e so all over the place in terms of rules?

>>53946246
>Every time you take a quality that mentions this sidebar, you face a –1 dice pool modifer for all Social based tests, and for every three qualities, your Social limit decreases by 1.
It's about 2/3 of the negative qualities, now that I look back on it properly.

>>53946139
Yeah, nah. Needs more than a wink and a nudge to get through a secure facility, negotiate better payment from the Johnson, etc?

>>53946480
A Sasquatch could do all those things. Body language is more complex than you realize.

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>>53945323
You can't go around in high fashion clothes all the time because if there's one thing more conspicuous than the guy with move-by-wire gliding around, it's the guy with move-by-wire hanging out around the Tacoma piers in a 20,000¥ armoured suit.

>>53946616
>Yeah, this is front desk.
>We got some Chewbacca looking motherfucker here.
>He's doing some sort of interpretive dance routine.
>He is visibly upset.
>I can tell that he's armed.
>Send Security.

Would anyone happen to have some good art to use for IC? Google is being useless and the wiki doesn't have anything.

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>>53947067
Obligatory

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>>53947067
Check out Netrunner, it has lots of art of programs.

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>>53947532

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>>53947067

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>>53947067
Seconding Netrunner. I get a lot of art from their threads here.

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About implanted cyberdecks: How the hell do you service them? Can you, like, eject it like some kind of PCI card, then work on it outside your head, or do you have to have someone crack you open? Can you later replace it with another implanted deck, or is that surgery time?

>>53947050
>Yeah, this is front desk.
>We got some Chewbacca looking motherfucker here.
>He's doing some sort of interpretive dance routine.
>Oh shit, he's breakdancing now.
>Yeah man, it's rad as hell.
>When he gets up there, do absolutely anything he asks of you.

>>53948838
Yeah. All implanted decks/links/etc function as toaster slots where you slide it in.

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>>53948838
It's not clear RAW.

From the forums, Drake Noble said,
>As for repairing matrix damage - implanted devices that need repairs (or upgrades) like a commlink or a cyberdeck are actually (according to Shadowrun back when they actually told or showed you this stuff clearly enough - so SR1 & 2) installed on a "plate" attached to the outside of, or replacing a section of, the skull... which means the parts that need repairs to clear up matrix damage are actually close to the skin.

I'd let someone repair it with Hardware as normal, but if they wanted to replace it I'd say it requires surgery, just like replacing any other cyberware with a different model - you've got to redo all the connections, it's not plug & play between a Samsung and a Fairlight.

>>53945788

I am a GM and I would allow this. Interpretive dance face sounds amazing.

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>>53947004
That's what Sleeping Tiger is for, chummer

>>53948838
I'd let it be a choice, if you want it to be hidden and not self serviceable or obvious and self serviceable. The obvious being an obvious metal slot where a commlink or cyberdeck cartridge goes in.

>>53949004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SlAzsXa7E

>>53948838
As far as I understand it, the cyberdeck 'implant' is merely an empty housing and interface with your brains that needs to be filled with the components of the deck proper. Unless it has been bricked and the interface has been damaged, you shouldn't need a surgeon to service/mod/... it.

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>>53949022
>Hey, you see that guy dressed like a ganger?
>you mean Mr. Trash & Whores, who spent 13,500¥ looking like the most obnoxious trog on the planet? Yeah, I see him.
>Definitely got some move-by-wire in him.
>Oh yeah. I hope he's not retarded enough to think that he was being inconspicuous, dressing like a rich asshole who is playing pretend at being hard.

>>53921160
Get a good link and have a good INT stat. Great defense.

Alternatively buy a 106K Stealth Dongle and run silently. SLZ is the most OP matrix stat.

>>53949605
Or buy a basic stealth dongle, mod in virtual machine, and run Smoke and Mirrors
Bam, 7 sleaze

So why is it that 5E is so horrendous in terms of creativity. I mean they found some great artists but I feel like they made so many layout fuckups, editing mistakes and just gave their corebooks retarded names. Was there a massive change between the writers and editors of 4th and 5th?

>>53950379
Yes.

Coleman embezzled something like 750k from the company, who opted not to pay freelancers for their work.

The result is Catalyst Game Labs' masterpiece of clusterfuckery: Shadowrun 5E.

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>>53950379
because >>53950475 happened halfway through 4th (before the Anniversary edition came out, iirc) the later 4e books show the degredation of editorial quality. WAR! is the prime example.

>>53950475
I still find it hilariously ironic how the Shadowrun devs ended up doing Megacorp tier scumbaggery.
"Yeah I'm going to take the money that I was supposed to pay my employees with and instead buy a ton of coke and refurbish my bathroom."

>>53950475
>>53950554

This explains so much. Thanks for the info.

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>>53950600
If you do a google search for "Shadowrun Embezzlement" you'll get a bunch of forum threads and reports on it. The upshot is that a lot of the old writers and freelancers left, people from the community (like Bull) were recruited or promoted to fill their place, people like Jason Hardy (who defended Coleman) were promoted to their level of incompetence, and CGL lost the licenses to Cthulhutech and Eclipse Phase, but maintained Shadowrun and BattleTech.

My favourite story is that, as manpower dwindled, one of the remaining editors resorted to bringing in his wife after hours to pack boxes of books to ship out. There's lots of hearsay about what happened, so I don't have confirmation of it, but it's a good story.

Am I better off carrying fragmentation or high explosive grenades, if I don't always know who I'll be up against?

>>53951110
Frag. Will neutralize anybody who isn't highly armored and you can safely chuck it at your tank/cars if they're surrounded. High explosive is for armor only, really.

>>53951110
You're better off carrying flashbangs and gas grenades. They are both very dangerous, and you can use them fairly safely (flashbangs only cover a flat 10 meters, and gas grenades can be resisted with chemseals).

>>53951137
Frag grenades have a fuckhueg radius, though, so it's really easy to salsa things you want unsalsa-ed.

Why do I never see anyone use flashpacks?
They are really good, especially against lower level security forces.
Enemy mooks take a -4 to any attack action while being within viewing distance, with your allies only taking -2 (-1 if they have flare protection, 0 if it's in something that takes up essence).

>>53951231
It's just why would I throw a flashpack when I could throw a flash grenade?

>>53951110
HE is good solo, but Frags are the king of pure absolute damage in pairs.

Depends on what you're using. If you have the semiauto grenade launcher, then bring frags, because you'll be dealing 36 damage with -1 AP on a 3 round burst.

>>53951263
Because AFAIK flash grenades are one use only, while flash packs are rechargeable

>>53951288
And you can fire at the flashpack and destroy it
Or throw grenade of your own and destroy it + deal damage
Damage inflicts lasting penalties and can take out targets while the flashpack would last for around a second before someone shooting it down.

>>53951110

You're better off carrying white phosphorous grenades in case spirits show up.

>>53951263

Nothing's stopping you just hanging the flashpak on your plate carrier or something. Really it's like having a strobe tactical light.

>>53951591
>>53951447
There's actually a riot shield that has a built in flash-pak.
Also, shooting a stobe light is difficult considering
A) There are people shooting at you
B) It's a strobe light and by nature is difficult to look at

>>53951447
>And you can fire at the flashpack and destroy it
which I imagine being difficult due to a) it being small, b) you being blinded and c) it being in the cone of light

>Or throw grenade of your own and destroy it + deal damage
What?
Okay, chummer, just to be sure
>you are in a fight with me
>I throw a flashpack to you, it should land pretty close
>it activates, giving a -4 penalty on all tests
>you then throw a grenade to it
>next to you

Did I understand correctly?

>>53951627
it is also umoving object that gets no defense tes so unless there is Ares FlashShield involved you need a single hit on a test to hit it.
>>53951637
Just to be sure how close?
Next to my feet? Than yeah grenades would be stupid. Just walk 1 meter forwards, flashpack is behind me and no penalty
5 meters infront of me? Throw grenade additional 5 meters forward and done no damage for me/

>>53939989
I'd ditch the Skull for Alphaware Bonelacing and please get the Datajack in Alpha-Quality.
You want to save as much essence as possible.

Also talk to your GM to about using the german rules for the Skilljack.
In krautistan, its only 0,1 Essence regardless of its rating and only costs a thousand Nazishekels per Rating.
If you want to look it up, the Book is in the "auf deutsch" Folder in the pastebin, the ware is called "Talentbuchse".

>>53952186
Are Nazishekels the official currency in 2070 Germany? What's the Nuyen conversion rate?

>>53952038
>5 meters forward and done no damage for me
?
What kind of grenade are you thinking of?
Because a frag grenade is 18(f), -1/m. Meaning that in 5 m distance you still get 12(f) damage from it
and a HE grenade still hurts you with 6, -2 AP

And yeah, within 1 to 5 meters should be normal, more likely 3 m

>so unless there is Ares FlashShield involved you need a single hit on a test to hit it.
I was pretty sure that hitting small objects increase the threshold/reduce the dicepool unless you use Image Magnification, but I can't find that rule right now
So yeah, I'd argue that shooting a small flash-pak while being blinded requires more than just one hit
But so would shooting a grenade while in flight

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>>53952250
about 6 gorillion to one, i presume, Sieg gevalt!
canonically its the €, after the ECU got retconned. I presume its about 1:1 for ease of conversion

>>53952357
>additional 5 meters
Meaning 5 meters away from the flashpack or 10 meters total away from me
Size modifiers are on page 108 of Run&Gun as an optional rule
Firing a Weapon is an opposed test so there is no threshold. You may give as much penalties as you want but a single hit is all you need to hit unmoving stationary target.
>but firing at the light
Already in use with the -4/2/1 penalty of the flashpack itself.
The point still stands. There are multiple ways to negate or remove the penalty while with grenades is just one:soak the damage(well and the Run for Your Life or Duck for Cover Interupt)
Taking people out > Mildly inconvenience them

When does shadowrun take place?
I am planning on running a game around the enormous consequences of the emergence of the mcdonalds spirit on its 100th anniversary, but that means I have to run a game around 2055.

>>53952888
modern SR takes place around 2078, but there is a 2050 supplement

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>>53952888
That's the 1e-2e era. SR5 is in the late 2070s. There is a throwback splatbook if you want to run 5e with 2050s tech.

>>53952943
>>53952930
Okay, so there is an era I can run this in. Good. Now to work players up to the lavos-like emergeance of ronald.

>>53952943
>There is a throwback splatbook if you want to run 5e with 2050s tech.

Only in german, mein Freund.

It was originally a 4e book

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>>53952974
>not das Sprechen

You are missing so much

>>53948879
>When he gets up there, do absolutely anything he asks of you.
No asking. Words are for people with fully functional brains. You get to keep doing interpretive dance, and sign language at people don't know sign language.

>>53953019
Funfact:
I'm bavarian

haha

>>53953048
>I'm bavarian
Das tut mir leid
Nicht

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>>53953065
Saupreiss bitte

>>53952038
>it is also umoving object that gets no defense tes
Put it inside an armoured clear plastic case. Now it has full cover.

>>53953090
>Saupreiss bitte
Woher soll ich denn wissen wie viel eure weiber kosten?

>>53953164
In dem du deine Mutter und deinen Papa fragst

>>53953304
>nimmt an ich bin Preuße nur weil ich Bayern nicht mag
>dann nimmt er an, dass ich Bayer bin
Ist das beschissene Kurzzeitgedächtnis üblich bei Bayern oder bist das nur du?

>krauts
Ouste. Ouste!

>>53953522
Hey, that guys a hero
thanks to him and his strategy over 55000 british pilots died!
I'm pretty sure the nazis wouldn't have managed that many without his help

Anyway: What's your favorite part of SR history?

>>53953646

The Nightwraith incident during the EuroWars.

>>53953646
Aden slow-roasting Tehran for being sharia law fuckheads about metahumans. Ghostwalker pushing Aztlan's shit in while shoving them out of Denver comes a close second.

>Install .Net 4.5.1 using the following commands:
>wine Chummer5.exe
>this application requires .NetFramework 4.5.2
Seems like no one has tried using chummer with wine in a while, then.

>>53953646
The dude waging a one man war against Lofy.
Poland. All of it. If you thought it was the Afghanistan of Europe before, it's worse now.
A permanent Vietnam war going on in South East Asia.
Aztlan-Amazonian war. So much so that in my campaign many people were involved in the war either directly or indirectly, and Aztlan and Amazonian are having a proxy war in Cuba, while the players are working for the CIA, and are just trying make Cuba into an ally for the UCAS.

>>53954668
Should be all that's necessary, the project is targeted at .Net 4.5.1.

I'm about to play my first game of this
The DM insists we play first edition
What am I in for?

>>53955327
A lot of shit. Should be fun though. Enjoy no limits.

>>53955475
I'm playing a rigger character
Haven't really figured anything else out but the only person in our group who knows anything about it is the DM

Hoi chummers. Anyone have some character art or portraits for a dour suit security or assassin type? Thanks!

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>>53953646

Probably the whole System Failure arc, really. I've never seen so many moving parts in an intrigue setup in a gaming book in my life.

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>>53955556
You want the man to be dour, or the suit?

>>53955591
Ha with any luck both. Thanks!

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>>53955611

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>>53955752

>>53925541
It should, since they get MAG*2 spells just for being Aspected Magicians

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>>53955861

>>53955797
Hm? No they don't. Where are you reading that?

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>>53955911

>>53955861
Love the danny trejo look of this guy. Might have a good villian to make for this art.

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>>53955948
I think the artist literally copied a picture of Trejo; no way that's accidental.

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>>53956019

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>>53956038
And this is the last of them.

>>53956063
Cool, thanks man for the assist.

Does anyone have a pdf of all shadowrun lore?

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>>53956326
Yeah, it's called "literally every book they've released in the past 30 years."

>>53956367
That's not true.

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>>53956411
Oh gosh, you caught me. That PDF doesn't exist at all. Sorry.

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>>53956411
Where else would you get Shadowrun's lore? Are you thinking of its paperback novels or something?

>>53956326
Nope, but there's a wiki you can drown yourself in.

>>53955797
This is not even close to true.

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>>53956326
There's a couple in the pastebin that give a pretty good overview. Other than that, some people like the Neo-Anarchist podcast, which is an in-character recounting of Shadowrun's world.

>>53955928
I believe it's tattooed on the inside of their arse.

Are the video games any good? Do they play like the PnP at all or at they just similar in name only?

>>53957445
Dragonfall and Hongkong are breddygud.

They...I think they kinda use 3rd edition rules, so they don't play quite like modern tabletop.

>>53957445
>complete collection 85% off right now
Stop, I can only get so erect

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>>53957889
>mfw spent the morning paying all my bills and draining my accounts, finally getting my financial house in order
>mfw popping onto gaming sites just to hear that the Steam Summer Sale is starting

NEW THREAD
>>53958222
NEW THREAD

>>53951102
To be fair, losing Cthulutech was probably a good thing, cuz ctech isn't.

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All this German posting is making me nostalgic for my first ever group, who got me into shadowrun. I ran with them for a couple years before we eventually parted ways. If you guys are still lurking here, I miss you

>>53949022
I'm imposing a -4 social limit for wearing Sleeping Tiger from now on.