EDH/Commander General

>>53819424
Remember, filters exist and are fantastic.

>>53819424
>Thread Question
Seeing the leaks, I'm happy with the vehicles return, the weird color of some creature types and the "blank" tribal support. So they should just reprint Coat of Arms.

>>53819424
I'm hyped about the Merfolk legend

>>53819537
>Bishop of Rebirth
>White Vampire Cleric Reanimator
Hoo.

>>53819537
UG legend is literally zegana+reliquary tower

>>53819537
>Ashes of the Abhorrent
>hosing GY strats and Cuthroat/Blood Artist strats for 1aw

>>53819424

Thanks for making the new thread OP. Got tied up today and couldn't do it.

>>53819537
>green merfolk
>white vampire
what

>>53819537
Is that a 3 mana anthem and draw card or are my eyes failing me and it's 5?

>>53819918
5

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>>53819918
No it's 5 mana. What a shame

On a positive note, Legendary Pirate

>>53818979
You are quite literally doing what you are "preaching" against.

Also, I have posted vital content to the board.

Very few of my posts were about my personal life. And when they were it was relavent to the discussion at hand. Or inquiried of me.

So, why are you crying?

>>53819008
The infinite mana and intruder alarm additions are only for infinitely getting all the creatures in your deck out.

Otherwise, you pay the mana cost of any creature in your deck, tutor for it, and pop it directly into play. No counter target spell. (Stifle/Disallow aside).

How is that not great ?

The differences again, the capability to tutor literally any creature into play versus the capability to only tutor a legend into your hand. So... and tapping is an activation cost. Just saying.

They don't have the same "problems", excuse me, limitations.

>>53819537

there's a fucking VEHICLE

>>53819970
I'd still play it in my casual angel tribal deck for the card draw.

>>53819989
huh where? I can't see it.

Also the returning mechanic seems to be Raid. Fits with Pirates

>>53819989
>no Riggers
J U S T

>>53820041
expecting riggers in a mesoamerican/pirate themed set?

>>53820023
Two to the left of the legendary pirate, which is the topmost row that's somewhat legible.

>>53819537
Either this is fake or Hostage Taker (the blue black 4 mana pirate) goes infinite way too easily. He can target himself so you can get infinite etb triggers unless I am missing something.

>>53820079
oh I see it now. Makes sense, R&D said they liked vehicles enough for them to return

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>>53819537
>A Jace that puts token copies of itself onto the battlefield.

>>53820069
Always hoping for Riggers anon. Hope is all we have.

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>>53820023

Artifact--Vehicle

look at the p/t box

So if Amonkhet is a plane that Bolas took time to "corrupt and reshape to his image" why is he coming back to destroy it? I thought he did that to planes to sap their mana. If theres no mana left in Amonkhet why bother destroying it since everyone on the plane will be weak?

>>53820098
what does the card say? I literally cannot read most of what is said on these cards

>>53820145
I doubt destruction of it is the main point, its probably just a side effect of whatever he is doing to regain power.


Just like the fusion of alara for the maelstrom

>>53820146
It's like Fiend Hunter, exile a card, it comes back when Hostage Taker leaves, combined with Gonti in that you can cast it as long as it's exiled. Except you can target itself for a one card infinite ETB

I am laughing at mono green Merfolk. Wizards is finding creative ways to not boost top tier tribalbdecks while giving tribal support to stuff that will never be viable like cats and warriors.

>>53820146
Hostage Taker 2UB
creature- human pirate
When ~ enters the battlefield exile target artifact or creature until ~ leaves the battlefield. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast that spell.

So yeah, I'm not a judge but since its ETB isn't a "may" either doesn't this mean if you cast this card on an empty board the game immediately ends in a tie because of a loop you can't stop?

Or am I being stupid and missing a rules interaction?

>>53820220

>1G
>not splashable
>wat is simic

>>53820220
>>53820245
It's a second quirion dryad, which is interesting for 60 card formats

>>53819989
fuck year, depala has more ships coming

fucking hell the /r/edh reddit is so terrible

"Hi I have this [Extremely janky and weird combo deck that rarely sees play] and I'd just like things to add to it."

"Oh I also have the exact same Idea heres my list for the [Extremely janky and weird combo deck that rarely sees play] that I have."

like fucking clockwork its like they are robots

>>53820244
It will probably recieve pre-release date errata like Maren did if this is the case.

>>53820321

>quirion dryad
>doesn't count green spells
>new green merfolk
>doesn't count creatures

it think the comparison is fair

>>53820383
They should probably just do better quality control.

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I feel like this one will be used as often as Kari Zev, as in, never

>>53820422
I guess some artifact synergies? shes just not as good as any of the other artifact reds like feldon, deretti, kukesh, etc.

Otherwise...red ramp? lol

>>53820422

MAYBE a slot in Akiri with clue tokens etc.

What are some essential lands for titania? I already got waste Land and other similar lands, but I want that spicy tech.

>>53820510
Not a land but Natural Balance

>>53820244
If an effect with a duration ("for as long as") would end before it can begin, it will simply do nothing.

>>53820145
He is trying to use it to farm planeswalker slaves. The idea is that the strongest people in the plane will pass those trials and Bolas will come back to evaluate if any of those champions are planeswalkers and use them as servants or make an army of them or something like that.

That naya legend from the first set is a planeswalker though and she rebels instead of joining Bolas.

>>53820510
Strip Mine
Gaea's Cradle
Deserted Temple
Green fetchlands if you have them, get those triggers.

>>53820749
Also non-lands
Erratic Portal and Zuran Orb to really combo with that Gaea's Cradle.
And use a Mana Reflection

>>53820614
But that's not the effect that's being talked about. Fiend Hunter, Oblivion Ring, they can't target themselves. If they could then they could flicker themselves infinitely. This is like Leonin Relic Warder+Phyrexian Metamorph in one card.

>>53820369
Who the fuck cares about your report on a shitty sub? Don't even come back if it's to complain that water is wet.

>>53820573
>>53820749
>>53820814
Thanks for the suggestions.

>>53820831
Hostage Taker has a differently worded effect from either fiend hunter or oblivion ring. Its like Banisher Priest. Only it can target itself. If its effect duration would end before it could begin, it does nothing.

>Anything old you're hoping to revisit in Dominaria?

I want to see a continuation of the Sliver storyline. At present the Slivers of Dominaria have evolved a conciousness and sapience in the form of Legion.

I would love to see them as an actual race of politics, no longer simply a mindless force of nature, I want to see someone beyond Karn communicate in two directions meaningfully with a Sliver.

I also want the Black Legendary Sliver.

We have Legendary Slivers for every other color. I want the black one.

White -> Hivelord -> Indestructible
Blue -> Overlord -> Caveated Tutor and Mind Control
Black -> ? -> ?
Red -> Queen -> Spawn little sliv-slavs
Green -> Legion -> Beefy Buff Creatures.

>>53820834
If people in this thread realized that depriving baitposters and morons of attention makes them go away then last thread wouldn't have been the trainwreck it was.

>>53820831
>611.2b Some continuous effects generated by the resolution of a spell or ability have durations worded “for as long as . . . .” If the “for as long as” duration never starts, or it ends before the moment the effect would first be applied, the effect does nothing. It doesn’t start and immediately stop again, and it doesn’t last forever.

>>53820956
Didn't Yisan and Jalira communicate with Slivers?

>>53820956
Legendary black sliver
All slivers get -5/-5.
7/7

>>53821071
Not really. In the story they go and chill with the Hivelord, they get dominated by him for a while after turning into Slivers for camouflage. Then they snap out of it. Bow to the Hivelord, grab a journal and then fuck off. While all the slivers just watch them.

Not really the kind of communicating I had in mind but you could count it I guess.

>>53819424

>Giving Jhoria a sword

For what reason?

>>53820956
Big Black Sliver
Legendary Creature - Sliver
When BBS enters the battlefield, gain control of all Slivers.
If a sliver would enter the battlefield, it enters the battlefield under your control instead.

>>53820831
Those cards have 2 triggered abilities though. The new, nerfed, versions are continuous effects.

>>53820878
Not a land but Harrow has good synergy

>>53821144
To stab and slash her way to art? Isn't that what all activities aspire to?

>>53821144
Should have given her a Voltaic Key or Blightsteel Colossus in her hand.

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Threadly reminder to filter and hide Cpt Fagborne posts
Don't give him (You)s, boys

>>53821375
And yet you still give me attention?

Cool your jets, sperglord.

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I have two quick questions for building a Sherei EDH deck with the card Heartless Summoning. Now, I understand that she checks the power when the creatures I have die, so any 1/1s would be ready to reanimate at the end of turn, but since they then die right after they enter the battlefield since they have 0 toughness. My question is do they return at the next endstep again if Shirei is still out? I'm just not sure if it continues across turns is all.

Second, I always get confused with several creatures entering the battlefield or dying at the same time. If I have Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat and say 5 1/1s reanimate from Sherei at the end of turn with Heartless Summoning out, do I get 7 triggers from each?

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>tfw split cards have a cmc equal to both halves added together when not on the stack, throwing off your average
>tfw delve spells
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cooling-pond/

>>53820878
I just built Titania and don't have my list up yet, but go for Scapeshift, Azusa, Crucible of Worlds, and fetches well before you consider dropping $200 on a Gaea's Cradle for the deck. Don't get me wrong, the card is crazy, but for the same price you could be getting much more synergistic cards. Titania doesn't *need* big mana to win, just tons of landfall and land sacrifice.

>>53821503
She says 1 or less.

But, yes. They would continually return and die instantaneously and ping your opponents.

>>53821564
So are you saying that they keep cycling on the same endstep? I don't think that is how it would work

>>53821621
No, they return only once a turn.

>>53821621
My bad, I misworded that.

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Marchesa looks really fun to build, but why is she grixis? Shouldn't she be jund? Regardless, what are the ratios to have with her with things like interaction, draw, creatures, rocks, ect.?

>>53820956
"Black" Sliver Lord
WUBRG
Mythic Rare
Legendary Creature - Sliver
5, Sacrifice a non-token Sliver permanent you control: Exile target creature or Planeswalker and create a 1/1 colorless Sliver creature token.
7/7

>it's a fagborn answers every question thread because he thinks it's reddit and his opinion matters

>>53821503
First question: yes, Shirei actually has an errata to allow this to happen. If a creature dies, it will be returned to the battlefield at the beginning of the next end step.

Second question: yes, all creatures are dying simultaneously, so you get to order the triggers however you want.

So basically you can have your Heartless Summoning out, and as long as Shirei remains untouched on the battlefield, you get to drain for 14 each player's turn.

>>53821621
But, as long as Shirei doesn't leave the battlefield, they will continuously return at the following endstep. And not just your endstep. Everyone's endstep.

So, you play them (or Heartless), they die instantly. They return at the beginning of your endstep. They die immediately again. Then they return at the next player's endstep and die immediately. And so forth.

>>53821643
>>53821658
No problem, but will i get only the self-death triggers from the Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat? Or do I get triggers from all the other creatures dying?

>>53821683
I'm sorry I'm a noob

>>53821669
Grixis is easily the most pandered-to colour combo in the format, so, that's basically the reason.

Uh, a friend of mine got me one of his old commander decks, Wade into Battle. Looks p. cool, love the artifacts, but what should I know when playing EDH? I've never did it before, and been away from MtG in general since 2004/5.

>>53821742
They trigger from themselves and all other creatures that die with them.

>>53821761
Also, I want to start building a samurai commander deck, which commander should I use? Konda not an option since he's pure white and I want white/red.

>>53821761
This is the worst format and you've made a terrible mistake. Run and don't look back.

>>53821669
Marchesa the Black Rose is ambitious (Black), calculated (Blue), and revels in chaotic environments (Red). In CN2 her machinations pay off and she gains royal authority. Queen Marchesa no longer needs to plot, using the laws of Paliano, and substitutes Blue for White.

>>53821769
Yeah, that is the only thing I'm still confused about

>>53821733
>>53821736
thank you
>>53821784
But then wouldnt it be 14 if I had the two and 5 other 1/1s?

>>53821807
Correct. I didn't see the part about the 5 1/1's. Both would trigger for each creature.

So, yes you would be hitting for 14 ever player's endstep.

>>53821761
Basic deckbuilding principles, not to be taken as hard rules but guidelines:

40 lands, cut a land for every 2 cards that can generate mana.

You aren't running enough spot removal.

You aren't running enough recursion.

Boardwipes are great.

Creatues are the most easily answered card type, having non-creature cards that do effects is good.

If you do hateful shit to everyone every turn there is a good chance you will get hated out and ganged up on, be strategic with your plays.


Welcome to the literal best format.

>>53821800
Why is it the worst? I showed interest in it because I have a bunch of old cards which can be recycled in commander decks.

>>53821836
That anon is just being a homo. Don't worry about it.

>>53821803
I was talking about her mechanics and less about the flavor.

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I love that I made a pirate themed deck (a few weeks ago) with pic related as my commander, all this flavor with ixalan is going to be sweet.

>>53821829
Thanks mate, I'm already happy to know mass removal is encouraged. Also, the hateful shit, I can already see the butthurt myriad might cause, I'm actually kinda scared.

>>53821807
My understanding is that Shirei returns all the creatures simultaneously (double check me on this), so if that's the case, they all die at the same time to the state-based action. So Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat "see" each creature die and you get a trigger from all of them.

>>53821828
Oh, ok. So its how I wanted it to work. Great!

Thanks so much man.

>>53821836
My personal aspersions aside, you can expect a bag so mixed that no one can accurately tell you what to expect. Just strap in and do your best.

>>53821914
No problem. Most of us are here to help out fellow players.

>>53821906
Just make sure you play with some more friendly people. EDH is a lot more social than other formats, so your playgroup is a big factor in how much you enjoy it.

>>53821669
Anything that can cheat critters into play and give them haste.

Reanimator cards.
Sneak Attack.
Feldon of the Third Path.
Enchantments and Critters that give all haste.
Tutors.
Counterspells.
Board wipes.
Gain control of all creatures.

Shit like that is a good first step.

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>>53821742
If you see someone with a tripcode and they're not OP, do not give them the replies they want. Filter and ignore. For example, on /x/, if there's an OP sharing a story, it's fine for him to tripfag to aid the thread. Cuckborn is not only NOT the OP, he's also chain replying, which is considered extremely rude.

>>53821836
EDH is very much a social format, IE you need to talk with your friends about many factors
-what cards are banned
-general power level of decks
-budget constraints
-house rules
-how wishes work
-proxy usage
Even still, you're going to run into salty fucks.It makes playing the format in LGS a nightmare, because you'd have to talk shit over with a dude that may or may not sperg out. For example, you might think Entomb is outstandingly powerful, but Beardy PimpleChin thinks Entomb is just fine. Or you might pull up with a modified Meren pre-con with 15 different cards vs a guy who's playing vintage highlander and you get to turn 3 with him winning the game via combo.
Another issue is that thanks to the disparity between kitchen table battlecruiser and vintage highlander, many cards would be hailed as strong, but are bad. And bad cards get called good. Everyone has their own opinion about shit. The end result is that it requires a lot of game knowledge and card evaluation skills.

>>53821562
Gaea's Cradle is a key win condition for her though, without a doubt. You need all of the cards mentioned in your post, in my opinion.

The best Titania decks I've seen get enormous usage out of Gaea's Cradle in combination with elves, elemental tokens, and sacrificing Gaea's Cradle in order to return it with Titania and use it multiple times in one turn.

Combining multiple land drops, Titania's etb ability, Crucible of Worlds, Zuran Orb, etc makes enormous mana and can basically put most of your deck into play.

>>53822053
Yeah, even during my first stint I wasn't that involved in MtG, there aren't many players in my area. I live in a small town but it's fairly close to the capital, but even then, there wasn't a single card shop until after I stopped playing, so all my knowledge has always revolved around mine and my friends' decks. I'm lurking these threads and will keep playing only with friends before I try LGSs, which are a new thing to me, playing EDH or any other format.

Sherei-anon back. Sadly it looks like we were a bit wrong. The creatures enter one at a time, not at the same time. Still hilarious and janky though!

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I want to put in about 5 new cards to my deck, including Winding Constrictor and Rishkar, Peema Renegade.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meat-for-the-maggots/
What are some cuttable cards I have?

Rolled 2, 1, 4, 2, 2 = 11 (5d6)

Rolling for colors, WUBRG, 1 is excluded, 2/3 is included. I know it's not an entirely even distribution, I prefer decks with more colors.

>>53822454
Figured I'd fuck it up. Divide them in half, it's mono black.

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>everyone at my LGS constantly asking people if they opened full arts
Yes, let the plebs fight over the shitty horn lands, while I stealth pick up all the true patrician's mountains.

>>53821761
This person is not your friend if they gave you that deck unless you're a masochist.

Has anyone tried commit//memory in their deck? How do you like it?

>>53822835
I made room for it in Niv-Mizzet, mostly because I'm hungry for wheel effects. I basically just use it to recur a counter, then wheel for value.

>>53822835
I run a pretty tight ship, colorwise. Colorless is easy to get but blue is at a premium. To that end I swapped out cryptic for it. It does many of the same things in roughly the same manner as cryptic while adding its own unique functionality (the wheel is a welcome addition) at a drastically reduced color weight.

>>53822835
i use it in my charbelcher deck in case I fuck up and need more cards in my deck. pretty decent

>>53820220
blue green is a fairly common modern Merfolk variation. granted it's not as common as just blue or blue white but coco was reason enough for blue green before. also if the other Merfolk in the pic ends up being good (which it very well could be since it draws you cards and gets pumped up by drawing cards so it could help with Merfolk's problem of fizzling early) it could make blue green the best version of the deck

>>53820422
actually it seems like some decent ramp for red that fits into the red mindset.
at the very least you can use it as sac fodder for breya

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I came upon a Monastery Mentor recently and have it slotted in my boros deck atm. I figured it would be useful as a low-threat token generator that can help save me from edict effect. Would yall say 39 noncreature spells is enough to justify his slot in the deck?

>>53823104
It derives support from roughly a third of your deck. Ought to be sufficient.

>>53819970
Jace castgayass ?

>>53823104

he's definitely justifiable then. personally I'd put some nasty instants in your deck for him to use along with sunforger

>>53820956
>BBD Sliver 2WUBRG
>Slivers you control have intimidate
>Whenever 3 or more Slivers deal combat damage to a single player, instead you may have them assign no combat damage. If you do, you control that players next turn.

>Post faggotry stories
>Playing my boy Melek vs Mina and Denn
>Mox Diamond in opener lets me play t2 Dack
>He gets a bit of a board and plays Mina and Denn
>With Melek out I cast Capsize with buyback off the top bouncing his 2 creatures
>During his upkeep I Turnabout his lands
>Untap, Capsize another land and on his upkeep Snapcaster Turnabout his lands again
>An opponent has disconnected.

>>53823509
Anon, please no.

I dont think slivers need a minslavr lock.

>>53823538
I just want to make people afraid again

>>53823520
>playing xmage
>some dude was threatening the board with 20 or so 5/5s from angry omnath, some other dude had a big pillowfort and the third quit out
>playing yidris. I attack with whispersilk cloak. Play Seasons past getting a few cards that dont really matter.
>cascade into aetherflux
>cast rishkar's expertise (had tons of lands)
>cascade into bloodbraid
>bloodbraid cascades into pestermite
>play free spell from rishkar, barals expertise
>baral cascades into stranglehold
>cast free yahenni's expertise from baral
>does nothing but cascades me into shardless agent
>shardless agent cascades into abrupt decay

anyways the point is that I kept cascading almost my entire deck, with around 500 life and then I fluxed both opponents. pretty cool

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>>53822349
Bump

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Does Guided by Nature convert more easily to elf.dek, or titania lands matter deck?
Also, if it is elves, does Freyalise or Ezuri make the better commander. I see perks to both, one constantly making dorks while packing enchantment/artifact removal as well as being an easily access PW and the other always being an outlet to go big as well as regen.

>>53822349
It seems pretty solid, so my choices of cuts are more personal preference.
Cut: Artisan of Kozilek (too mana intensive and needs a cast trigger for the reanimation), Gitrog (not enough land ramp/recursion to make him crazy), Altar's Reap (you need a creature and it's only draw 2), Voldaren Pariah (powerful, but 3 creatures is tough), and Champion of Stray Souls (very powerful, but very slow).
Also consider getting a Dictate of Erebos or a Grave Pact.

>>53824749
Definitely an elf deck. It's only missing a couple of key elves. The land matters deck would need some pretty pricey cards to work right.

Sometimes I feel like I can't play certain decks because my playgroup plays similar colors. I can't play blue because there's already someone who plays two Ux decks already (both Syggs), I can't play white because someone already plays Darien and Sisay and Ayli, and I can't play black because the third person plays Kokusho and Gisa. I have both Omnaths, but I want to play something else without feeling like I'm encroaching on my friends' niches.

>>53824749
Ezuri is better for sure. Having your wincon in your commander is invaluable, and he's a road to easy victory if you ever get an Umbral Mantle set up.

>>53822349
Gitgud has no support in your deck that I can see so I'd axe him. Nim's has been underwhelming in my experience mostly because if you're consistently leaving 4 mana up then you're helping out your opponents. I'm never of greaves for greaves' sake but that's an opinion. Viridian Emissary does literally nothing without another card and once you've set up a sac engine you should be in a place where you don't need more lands. Ain't big on Duskwatch Recruiter for your list either.

Cards to look into are Hell's Caretaker, Gravecrawler, and maybe Mimic Vat. Some more token generators couldn't hurt either like Hornet Queen or something. Make sure you have an appropriate creature curve for Birthing Pod. I couldn't easily check that from my phone.

>>53824805
I understand being reluctant to play the exact same commander as one of your friends but it's not reasonable to restrict your colors based on their choices.

>>53824843
Ezuri makes you the instant target at most tables and unless you nut into an Umbral infinite you putter out at about the 6 or 7 turn mark. Deck folds super hard to wrath. Freya has her downsides but she patches some key holes in the deck as well, namely card advantage.

>>53824805
so long as you arent playing the same style of deck, like UW or UB merfolk or B zombies or WB sac/life gain you should be fine.

Just play what looks fun

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Weird old cards you use for weird old card purposes.

>>53819768
It kinda looks like it could be 3W.

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>>53825040
This almost always gets people to read it and is a surprising ability in green.

>>53820098
They may make a rules function that just straight up says a permanent can't exile itself when the duration is "until it leaves the battlefield".

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>>53825040
This one is pretty horrifying becausebit often leads to spitefully blowing up everyones everything.

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>>53825040

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>>53825040
I also run that in my Merieke deck.

Note that this one has been oracled to "Enchanted creature has shroud as long as it is untapped"
>>53825099
Wait a moment, the copy also gets copied? That is hilarious

>>53821669
>Marchesa looks really fun to build, but why is she grixis? Shouldn't she be jund?

Dethrone is primary in Red, secondary in U.
Creature recursion is obviously B.

What about her feels remotely G? If you've forgotten, U is the color that cares the most about +1/+1 counters behind G.

>???, Voice of Thunder
>Legendary Creature - Merfolk ???
>~'s power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand.
>You have no maximum hand size.
>When ~ enters the battlefield, draw a card for each creature you control.

This is a card we will be getting from Ixalan.

The exact mana cost is unknown but it is a multicolor card.

What cost will it need to be in order to be playable?

>>53825084
I'm not convinced that this new pirate is an infinite loop. This isn't the same as 3 Oblivion Rings or 3 Fiend Hunters because those have the old wording that allows you to permanently exile things.

I think that this new wording has some arcane rule that means that it fizzles if the card would leave the battlefield as part of the resolution or something like that. It's absolutely different than Oblivion Ring's wording.

And we have to remember that wotc just fell back on arcane rules like this with the Amonkhet card that says you can pay 0 instead of paying costs for your cycling cards even though discarding the card is part of the cost to cycle. As printed, that card lets you draw your deck with any card that has cycling but obviously that wasn't intended so wotc just waves their hands and says you can't do that. It'll be the same with this new pirate.

>>53825121
That's one of the most badass looking cards I've ever seen.

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>>53825121
>Wait a moment, the copy also gets copied? That is hilarious
Yeah, you can copy the copies and the chain cards can go back and forth until someone decides not to copy it. Chain of Acid is a the ridiculously reckless one because it costs nothing to copy but Chain of Vapor and Chain Lightning ended up being extremely important cards with this ability.

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>>53825187
http://magiccards.info/bfz/en/222.html

>8/25/2015: In some very rare situations, Aligned Hedron Network may enter the battlefield as a creature with power 5 or greater. If this happens, Aligned Hedron Network will exile itself along with other creatures with power 5 or greater. Those cards will immediately return to the battlefield. If this causes a loop with Aligned Hedron Network continually exiling and returning itself, the game will be a draw unless a player breaks the loop somehow.

They're going to have to add one, because there isn't one now.

>>53825176
>durr what if we combined Kruphix, Zegana, and Maro
Super boring design. It'll be pretty good as long as it isn't 8+ mana.

>>53825262
OK, great find. Wotc is definitely just going to change the rules. They like to do that nowadays and just recently changed the split card rules, probably because of printing As Foretold and the Expertise cards.

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This thing will either lock someone out if they don't have the mana rocks, or do nothing.

>>53825208
I just wish I could have it in foil

>>53825252
But it would be funny to resolve in 4-5 player game, wouldn't it?

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>>53825040
Not so secret tech in my Teferi list.

>>53825252
>Chain Lightning
Chain of Plasma is the red one from the Onslaught cycle of "chain" cards. Chain Lightning is an entirely different card that copies itself in other ways.

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>>53824754
>>53824893
Solid advice lads, added Terastodon as the curve-topper for Birthing Pod
> Some more token generators couldn't hurt either
I'm getting Endrek Sahr soon to fuel the meat-griner even longer.

How do you guys feel about cutting Liliana? In Meren she was straight value, but here she almost only recur tiny creatures

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>>53825587
I noticed that this just got color-shifted Planar Chaos style.

>>53825713
Wildest Dreams isn't colorshifted, it's just straight up better because it doesn't require discarding anything.

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Hey guys this is Nylea, say something nice about her!

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>>53825793
She is a 4 mana indestructable 6/6

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>>53825793
Fuckin' weak.

>>53825793

Her activated ability is underrated given that your other shit has trample

>>53825793
Better than New Gods, I'll give her that

>>53825793
I use a play mat with her art as a mouse pad

>>53825793
Who?

>>53822062
>>53821562
The funny part is I already have a cradle, but none of the others ones. While all those cards seem like a great fit they seem to be outta my budget ATM.

>>53822732
You have autism.

>>53822732
Chris Rahn is probably the best currect mtg artist. I think you're making the right choice and these full art lands aren't very cool.

>>53826280
The argument for >>53821562 is still kind of relevant in this situation, if you own a Gaea's Cradle. If you really want to, you could consider selling the Cradle to fund the deck. You'd basically be betting against the chance that Cradle shoots up even higher in price by the time you're able to reacquire it though.

>>53826311
>If you really want to, you could consider selling the Cradle to fund the deck. You'd basically be betting against the chance that Cradle shoots up even higher in price by the time you're able to reacquire it though.
This idea is insane. Gaea's Cradle is on the reserved list and is not going to go anywhere but up.

>>53826326
That's not entirely true. Cradle was nearing $300 when Eldritch Moon was released, thanks to Splendid Reclamation, and steadily sunk back down to $200 over time. Depending on the time frame, it could waver maybe $10-$20 up or down unless another card like Reclamation forces it back up. It's possible Magus of the Crucible could push the price back up though, so that's the bet there.

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too much?
boros voltron

>>53826423
Depends on your meta. However, that looks good.

>>53826423

No, but bright flame is bad

>>53826446
Really? I would think Radiance would allow for more precise removal. Worst case scenario barring Eldrazi, I hit one of the 4 color meme generals and practically wipe the board

Anyone else put at least one infinite combo in all their decks?

>>53826483

I mean you would need at least 10 mana to wipe any reasonably sized creatures, I see it more as a lifegain spell, if you really want lifegain then it's cool I guess, otherwise it's pretty terrible

Not sure what you're talking about with "radiance"

>>53826516
I used to but now I have cut back in order to deal with more casual players. I prefer decks that have at least one infinite combo though because it's a way to just end the game and break a stalemate. Linear combo decks that have an infinite combo in every game aren't fun for me but a complex combo that occurs naturally by playing synergistic cards is great.

>>53826516

Not on purpose but if you put enough good cards together a combo will form eventually

>>53826516
not really. it all depends on what colors I'm in and if the combo pieces are decent on their own. like Kiki jiki goes into a lot of my red decks but I only put in things that combo with it if those pieces are decent too.

I just feel like if you have an infinite combo in then you are usually going to try to fish it out or put in cards to help you get it and that limits creativity

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>>53826578
the keyword in the sorcery, friendo

>>53826578
he's saying that radiance would help it wipe it's opponents board. since it deals damage to all creatures that share a color with target creature. so if it hits a 4 color commander it will hit everything and if he hits someone playing a colorless deck it just wipes their board. the life gain is a nice upside but if I want a boardwipe to gain life i just go with fumigate

>>53826642
sadly colorless makes it hit only the targeted creature since a lack of color isn't 'shared' among artifact/eldrazi creatures

>>53826624

Oh lol

No I get that it can kill a lot of creatures at once, but you need a shitload of mana to kill good creatures with it

seems like a bad card, but if youve played with it and you like it, thats cool, I was just giving my 2 cents. I like your list of instants and sorceries overall

And I think a voltron deck generally wants more instants and sorceries than you might think, voltron works best with lots of control elements, rather than just a bunch of auras and equipment that are useless when your commander is dead

>>53826516
My group is somewhat anti-combo, at least when it comes to dedicated combo decks. The philosophy of my group is that there shouldn't be any cards in a deck that exist only for the sake of the combo. If you can justify playing each piece of the combo individually, it's fine. As a result, cards like Laboratory Maniac are kind of soft-banned, because it's a Grey Ogre unless it's winning you the game.

I've managed to work at least one infinite combo into each of my decks despite this though, because my opinion is that "incidental" combos like this help give you hope that you could still win in a hopeless situation if you can just survive long enough to get [CARDNAME].

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>>53826442

Vroom Vrooms, Cap'n Crunch.

https://youtu.be/2R0Denhh9VU

>>53825793
She is devoted to herself

What's a fun semi competitive commander guys? Prefer one that is two or less colors.

>>53826833
Glissa the Traitor.

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bought this guys precon and i'm going to make a gaji politic deck
i want it to be casual
what should i add

>>53826933
RWG still doesn't have amazing card draw, with the bulk of it being reliant on Green's creature-related draw, so you can not only fuel your own deck, but keep up the political image by playing cards like Howling Mine and Temple Bell.

>>53826933
fumiko the lowblood, kazuul, Boros Battleshaper, rite of the raging storm, assault suit, crown of doom, orzhov advokist, akroan horse, warmonger hellkite

>>53821899
that looks so bad, why use it?

>>53821790
There aren't enough samurai in the same colours right now to make it worth it. In theory godo would be good though. Maybe they will make more of them some day.

>>53827039
>Made a pirate themed deck before Pirate had any mechanical significance

It's a Vorthos, anon. Don't look for logic in their actions.

>>53826704
And?

>>53826624
Archangel avacyn with basilisk collar does it better. Also duelists heritage is amazing in boros. The free extra damage is crazy helpful.

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What do you goyfs this of this as a custom playmat?

>>53827002
that's why it's casual my man

>>53827172
>Archangel avacyn with basilisk collar
already in there
>duelists heritage
my commander is Kalemne

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>>53827172
Actually...

>>53827193
Swapping the library and graveyard locations makes it easier to see for both you and your opponent.

Also, having the phases listed on a playmat is so overkill, unless you actually need help remembering them.

Also, you chose terrible art for the battlefield

>>53827208
Replenish/Open the Vaults is probably the best way to get that working

>>53825793
I'd go hunting with her anytime...

>>53827246
What's wrong with the Angel of Wrath as the battlefield art?

>>53827202
oh, shit dude the extra politics dont mean shit then. Do you have room for blood moon/magus of the moon and aether membrane? Bm+ aether membrane is one of my favorite delaying combos.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/r-i-p-t-i-d-e/

Thrasios and Kydele has been a lot of fun for me, but I kinda want to mix things up. T+K kinda just feels a bit too spikey for me lately. Should I switch back to Kruphix, who originally helmed the deck, or try to mix it up with Zegana? I just like drawing lots of cards and having lots of mana.

Between Kruphix and Zegana, which do you think is more fun? Got any secret spice for either of them?

>>53826933
The red and white Offerings are both pretty great, as are the Advocate cards.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=mage+advocate&v=card&s=cname

>>53826833
Anything monoblack, Hapatra, Thada Adel.

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>>53827265
>blood moon/magus of the moon
ehehe, only 7/34 of my lands are basics
>aether membrane
while an awesome card, I feel its a bit too against my goal of "get out Kalemne then land wipe'

Anyone here run Mishra Stax? I feel like making a mean MLD/Stax deck for my next deck, but I haven't had much experience playing either of those types of cards.

>>53827350
You're playing destructive urge? Do you have sigaurdas aid?

>>53827521
I would if that had some form of evasion tacked onto it. Two of my swords also make it fall off sadly and two other ones make Kalemne an illegal target for Sigarda's Aid
Love the art though

>>53827591
Pro white doesnt stop sigaurdas aid from working my friendo, the equipment itself gains an etb effect that functions similarly to living weapon without creating a token and most equiments are colorless.

>>53826516
I try to put one or two in most of my decks, if only to be able to go over decks that create a convoluted boardstate and just outright win.

>>53820244
It's entering the battlefield when it's ability goes off therefor you cannot target it since it's still a spell being played and not a creature on the board yet.
At least that's how I make sense of it.

>>53827685
You are completely wrong.

>>53827193
Personally, I don't like labels on playmats.

>>53827733
The first word is 'when', you would be correct if it were worded with 'as'

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>>53827685
Triggered abilities have the characteristics of the permanent with the triggered ability, not anything that triggers it. For equipment to gain the ability, it would have to literally say "Equipment you control have [EFFECT]".

>>53827193
Having zones designated on a mat seems kinda autistic desu. It's not like you're required to play your cards in specific zones like yugioh or something.

Also, the black background looks like shit.

Just go buy a RTR block shockland art mat like a normal person

>>53823104
You know you can't run Mentor in any deck other than Jeskai and up right? The ability makes it WUR

>>53828024
blind, retarded, or trolling?

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>>53828024

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>>53827193
Why would you put Damnation as the lands? Why not something like the extended land art panoramas?

>>53828024
You're thinking of Soulfire Grand Master.

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>>53828038
My bet is that they're thinking of a different card entirely.

>>53827685
Unfortunately it does, the Aid is white, and it is specifically what is allowing you to equip for free. Notice "target"

>>53828070
I sure fucking wish she were a legend.

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Is there a deck that can abuse pick related? I just like it a lot.

>>53828115
Yeah, I also like really easy infinite turn combos.

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>go to lgs with mate yesterday
>he wants to sell some rares and i want to look for singles for my decks
>finally get a damnation for relatively cheap
>he sells his stufffor 30 bucks, gets himself 3 amonkhet and 1 eternal mastersbooster,cracks them and pulls Gideon, Invocation Entomb and Verdant Catacombs
>proceeds to sell those to the store too more than doubling his money
how can one person be so goddamn lucky? I'm happy for him but I`m envious as hell

Also looking for help with my Vela the Night-Clad deck.
Looking for a way to make it run more smoothley and already added a Thran Dynamo, Ur-Golem's Eye and the cycling lands, any further suggestions?
I'm also looking for some stuff to get my opponents to discard and kee their hands small, any ideas?

>>53828275
sorry, forgot the decklist
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-06-17-vela/

>>53828233
you could use it as constant sac fodder for breya

>>53828308
A single artifact a turn isn't a lot.

>>53828233
A Green deck with Tireless Tracker, Doubling Season, and Parallel Lives.

See also:
>Bygone Bishop
>Magnifying Glass
>Root Out
>Trail of Evidence
>Ulvenwald Mysteries

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>>53827926
lol, I'm okay with not doing that.

So, is this any better everyone?

>>53828357
>Ulvenwald Mysteries

I wonder how a Bant clues would work...

>>53828357
don't forget anointed procession

Did you guys see this?

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>>53828433
Damn, forgot pic.

>>53828424
I'd say do it with Jenara.

>>53828446
ayyy the predictions were true, planeswalkers get rekt and sent across the multiverse, excuse to revisit planes, also pirate jace

>>53828478
Why? Just for the colors?

>>53828512
Also for the natural synergy with the mana, counters, and tokens. If you have the mana but no clues to spend it on, pump it into Jenara. Doubling season makes your clues and Jenara both better.

>>53828510
I'm betting that they have a card for each Planeswalker. Possibly each card being a different type. And not just a bunch of counterspells.

>>53828312
true but they have other uses. plus breya has a bunch of shit that benefits for having more artifacts. so a consistent source can be useful

>>53828537
You don't fucking say. Like a "cycle" of some such? You're probably right.

>>53828386
Marginally better, but zones on mats are still inherently bad. It really comes across as saying "I'm new and I can't remember where I should put things" or "I'm autistic/OCD and you can tilt me by putting your lands in front"

Furthermore, having designated zones for the "Battlefield" and "Lands" is silly, considering lands do go on the battlefield.

>>53828686
I didn't make the layout. I just added the backgrounds.

I also thought about putting the lands zone above the battlefield zone just as a fuck you to how everyone plays MtG. Just to be funny.

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Is there any way to make this fuckgirl work? She seems so worthless. A 2/2 with trample is shit, and making 2 tokens is pointless.

>>53828734
Right, a 2/2 sucks, so focus on making her bigger than that, an aura Voltron deck, and make the saprolings count by all the usual impact tremor Purphoros etc.

>>53828734
Evasion, pump spells, double strike.

>>53828734
Tana is one of the best Gruul legends.

>>53828764
So you can go voltron on her instead of someone who voltrons much better while adding purphoros synergy that is half assed at best.
>>53828776
Which will get you a few tokens, but going wide doesn't synergize well with voltron stuff.
>>53828779
How so?

>>53828734

I ran her with the Abzan guy who hands out +1/+1 counters when he died. It wasn't the best thing ever, but it let you make Tana bigger with a sac outlet, and then you got to make value with the tokens.

>>53828779
Don't.

>>53828816
It was something from around a month ago where anon argued that Tana was one of the best Gruul legends since people could only name like 8 Gruul legends better than her.

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>>53828734
And throw in a few choice devour cards to make use of the pikmin

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>>53828843
>since people could only name like 8 Gruul legends better than her

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What does your board look like, /edhg/?

You can fit about 13 tokens in a single penny sleeve, so I've found it's really convenient to have a box of sleeves stuffed with tokens at the ready. Emblems and rare tokens like Wurmcoil Wurms get clear dragonshield sleeves. 13 is specifically for Zombies, most have 6, 12 if they're something like Saprolings. I actually have 3 packs of 13 Zombies each, since they tend to be the ones that get needed the most.

>>53828846
See, that's a solid idea.

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Jace the Castaway

>>53828880
looks pretty good
I usually start out doing it pretty similar but at some point there is just too much stuff on the board and I give up and just try to keep a general shape

>>53828964
Only to be rescued by one of his antag's, Vraska. I wonder if it will be friendly adventure? Or if Vraska is going to torture and starve him and that's why his clothes look shredded in his leaked card.

>>53829009
Vraska could be leveraging Jace's position as the guildpact, rescuing him for the sake of a promise of reward back on Ravnica.

>>53829009
I'm betting that she'll throw him in a captive cell inside her ship and one of the other Gatewatch (probably Liliana) to come, fight the Pirates, and free Jace.

>>53828386
Would worship Bolas / 10

>>53829093
>>53829129
Hm. I get the feeling this is gonna be great.

>>53829177
Like some of the articles over the last year, it'll have some great story concepts and then just be jank writing.

>>53828446
I was wondering who would get there first, Bolas or the Phyrexians. There was always going to be the combo breaker where the Gatewatch gets wrecked and has to go through a training montage where they come back together even stronger.

I was kind of hoping they'd lose an entire plane to Phyrexia first though.

>>53827847
ahh shit u tru

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>>53829240

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>>53828880
i usually keep my deckbox, dice, and stuff on the right while the left is for expansion. i have two tokens on each side of a clear sleeve for convenience sake.

>>53828725
used to be played like that originally before it became apparent that it was stupid.

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>>53828446
>Destroy target forest, green enchantment, or green planeswalker. If the permanent destroyed this way is a Nissa Planeswalker, draw 1 card.

>>53829656
>green anti-green

>>53829656
Sorcery?

>>53829656
Also, so was kind of hoping that all of the cards only being in Bolas colors (grixis). That would have been more flavorful.

>>53829656
>i cant pay loyalty instead of green

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>>53829752
Yeah.

>>53829740
We already did this before.

>>53829759
Well, the new Bolas has an ability that nabs spells from the opponent's deck...

>>53829740
>destroy enemy doubling season
>play my own
>pass

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>>53821503
Sherei is the best place to play Bottle Gnomes. :D

Three of my least favorite shitters who come to weekly commander night at my LGS all independently built Karona god tribal decks. Why are all the worst people building this one specific garbage deck?

Thinking about making a Red Artifacts deck with cards like Mycosynth Lattice/Golem, Vandalblast, Unwinding clock, and Darksteel forge. To start out I have Paradox engine, Planar bridge, and Myr turbine. Any suggestions or lists?

>>53830313
daretti stax is really good

>>53830313
Slobad

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>>53830271
You know what you need to do anon. Steam 'n' sacrifice deck

>>53830356
fuck, steal*

>>53830366
it was a great time to be trying out my new malfegor deck i built the other night. as soon as they play opalescence or starfield malfegor slams down and fucks them.

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OK guys , here's the story of me playing the card "sprout swarm" for 4 hours

>shopkeep comes in for edh night on day off
>never does this
>super cool dude
>"who wants to play some. ..
>slams massive deck onto table
>planechase edh???"
>I opt in, 3 others as well. Total of 5 of us in match
>I'm playing nemata ramp and saproling
>other decks are meren, uril, foiled out ojutai (shopkeep) and narset.
>herewego.jpg

>opening hand I had sprout swarm
>I ramped and made saprolings
> narset was focused by uril, then he cast approach of the second sun on an empty field, got himself killed in the next two turns
>meren player is grave pacting uril into submission
>ojutai has a few fliers and draw enchantments, nothing crazy (meren grave pacting did the trick)
>I literally have just been ramping, making saprolings, and repeating for like 2 hours. (Though my board state has been trimmed and wiped repeated times, making my commander cost around 20 mana)

Two hours later

>my field is 30 forests, a few saprolings
>my hand is just sprout swarm
>meren is grinding field into submission until...
>uril casts open the vaults and bogles everything onto a mesa enchantress
>one shots meren player
>goes to shopkeep ojutai, who kills uril by taking 2 extra turns (medomai had double strike) and just clobbering him with other beefy fliers
>just me and shopkeep. My field is a mana doubler, 7 saprolings, and 30 forests
>rip life from limb off the top and audibly thump the bottom of the table with my erection
>cast life from limb, cast commander, swing with everything, saccing like 20 forests/saprolings to nemata to buff my swinging saprolings
>shopkeep gets shredded to negatives from 88 life
>laughs, shakes my hand, and checks his next draw
>terminus


I've never had a more uninteractive game, I literally just ramped and made tokens. What an experience

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>>53830608

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>>53828386
How about this

what do you use for +1+1 counters?

>>53831291
I usually use dice, d20s if I have them on hand. I color code different dice for different things though. One color for however many times I've cast my commander, one for +1/+1s, one for mana in my mana pool when needed (such as if I or someone else has a Kruphix), etc.

>>53831291
We just spit on the cards, the wrinklier ones do more damage naturally

>>53831291
I prefer to use pennies for +1/+1 counters
Nickels = five +1/+1 counters
Dimes = ten +1/+1 counters,
Quarters = 25
Dollar coins = 100

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>>53831291
I like to use stacks of d6

>>53831408 is good for bribery counters

>>53828816
>>53828734
Primal Forcemage
Anger
Bloodspore Thrinax
Parallel Lives/Doubling Season

>>53825074
>or if the game ends
Well, duh.

>>53832728
Ante was a thing back then. People may have actually been uncertain.

>>53832728
Willow Satyr first came out in Legends, back when Ante was still a thing. The fact that you got all your cards back at the end of the game wasn't a guarantee then, and it would have been entirely reasonable to think that you got to keep your ill gotten gains.

>>53828880
>tilted library
>graveyard above library
Are you a YGO player?

>>53832820
>>53832861
I get the ante rule, but people had to be pretty malicious to ignore the control/own difference. I mean, if the controlled card dies it would go back to the owner's graveyard.

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>>53832882
I used to be (god help those poor fools who still are), but I didn't tilt any of it when I was playing Yugioh anyway because I had one of those mats with the zones on it. I tilt it now so there's no confusion about the graveyard/exile and the battlefield.

>>53828846
I like this idea, and I like Tana, but wouldn't she just work better in the 99 with Thromok or Ulasht as the general?

>>53833107
Yes, the advantage of Tana is more color possibilities. The problem is that Marath is better for Naya tokens, Prossh or Sek'Kuar is better for Jund tokens, Riku is better for Temur tokens, Dune-Brood is better, Ink-Treader is better... There's not much space for her.

>>53833238
>playing nephilim post partners

>>53833269
Ink-Treader has an almost unique effect. Only Zada comes close.

>>53833285
Mirrorwing Dragon also comes close.

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Is it too conditional to run? Obviously I'd prefer Swords to Plowshares, but I can see it being useful.

>>53833498
>Is it too conditional to run?

Yes.
The upside is patheitc anyway.

>>53833498
It only targets white creatures so Condemn is way better. Standard players complain about Gideon though so they should all put 4 of this in their sideboards.

MOTHERFUCKING DINOSAUR COMMANDER

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>>53832915
It was a simpler time and rules were explained very differently.

>thought Jace's defeat and Gideon's defeat were pretty solid
>Reread them and saw they only fuck their own colours

Never mind, my slight excitement is dead

>>53833608
Jace's Defeat is Gainsay+. It's the trinket text problem, where even though it's strictly better then a not so good but playable card (in an "Only I can play control" deck) it's seen as worse because of a conditional benefit.

>>53833671
Gainsay sucks ass, Id rather pay R and also be able to destroy a blue permenant on top of the conditional counter.

>>53834035
Of course, this is just a card for standard babbies though.

>>53833562
I want to know what his second line of text is. The first looks like he either gives all creatures or dinosaurs haste and he's a 4/4 for 3RG.

>>53834961
>>53834961
Migrate whenever folks.

>>53834946
5RGW
Legendary Creature - Dinosaur Avatar
Trample, vigilance, haste

When Gishark, Sun's Avatar deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put any number of Dinosaur creature cards from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
7/6

is what mythic spoiler states it as

>>53834982
Sounds like a more niche Mayael. It depends how good the other dinosaurs are.

>>53825793
She does it for free. Not for honour, but for you.

>>53834982
>That ability in Naya
>While the Conspiracy-effect is in blue and black
FUCK