/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls General

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Claiming this thread for the Magne-Ge.

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>>53469389
The old gods are cruel and arbitrary, and distant from the hopes and fears of mer. Your age is past. We are the new gods, born of the flesh, and wise and caring of the needs of our people. Spare us your threats and chiding, inconstant spirit. We are bold and fresh, and will not fear you.

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>>53469539
Tribunal's a good way of tackling a variation on an age-old question - would you rather follow false gods that acted, or true gods that never did?

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>>53469593
You expanded a dilemma into a trilemma, and still you managed to come up with only wrong answers.

Do not follow. The Walking Ways is the only answer.

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>>53469781
>>53469593
the tribunal did nothing wrong and everything bad that happened with them was because of Dagoth Ur

>>53469389
since this is now Magna-Ge general, I'll need some hot lore on them

>>53470128
Vivec was pretty shitty.

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>>53470128
The Tribunal are entirely responsible for their own downfall.

>>53470206
>I give my soul to the Magna Ge, sayeth the joyous in Paradise, for they created Mehrunes the Razor in secret, in the very bowels of Lyg, the domain of the Upstart who vanishes. Though they came from diverse waters, each Get shared sole purpose: to artifice a prince of good, spinning his likeness in random swath, and imbuing him with Oblivion's most precious and scarce asset: hope.

>>53470246
>The Tribunal are entirely responsible for their own downfall.
Yup. That's what makes it so delicious.

What's up with moths and ES? Moth priests, ancestor moths, mothships, smothering by moths...

Why not, I dont know, bees or something?

>>53470664
Well for mothships it's just that moths are attracted to light. Aetherius is seen as light. So giant moths would be a type of creature to go there.

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>>53470664
>why not bees
>giant bees
>infusing bees with magic
>smothering by bees to gain visions & powers
WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

>>53470664
Because being smothered by bees is a real thing and killed that kid in this movie that I can not for the life of me remember but he was allergic to bees so that was basically super hell
Plus according to all known laws of aviation bees can't fly so they'd make pretty shitty ships.

>>53470725
According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.

>>53470721
>NOT THE BEES.gif

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>>53471089
>[Incursion Point: Anon's House]

>>53471089
Isn't that a factoid about bumblebees and not honeybees

>>53470725
>>53471089
Bumblebees you morons. And they did figure out how they fly years ago.

>>53471211
Is this a joke?

Is Elder Scroll Legend canon ?

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>finally a weekend with a scond thread
blessed we are

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Unanswered questions from last thread:

>>53447970
>>53458833
>>53469277
>>53468850
>>53461626
>>53464986
>>53463397

>>53471285
it's about as canon as my tullius x ulfric fanfics

>>53471634
Twin Lamps are pretty secret, I don't think they'd want an emblem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSPsvO19dU&

>tfw you'll never know more about the russian morrowind community

What if all champions across all games where dunmer
Even Cyrus

>>53471634
I really like the oblivion drawings for races and skills

So what are the opinions of different races/civilizations towards body hair?

>>53461626
read the OP

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>>53471985
Breton one is weeiiird tho. In fact, most of the racial pictures are rather weird.

>>53470725
>laws of aviation
kek

>>53472470
They all look like homosexuals, I hate them

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>>53472470

all bretons are modeled after todd howard

>>53471089
>bees have CHIM
deepest lore

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>>53471778
Life is suffering

>want to look at morrowind videos
>get a bunch of bait videos like "why morrowind is the greatest!", "5000 skooma" "jumping from one end of the island of to the other", "morrowind in a nutshell"

So, how's the lore in TESO: Morrowind?

>>53473559
Kill the normies anon. Make them scream.

What is Best city In ESO?

>>53473698
Any of them, for they're all cookiecutter garbage.

>>53473559

>he doesnt watch modding showcase videos

>>53470206
>The savannahs and jungles of Ut Cyr are lost to us now by the machinations of unknown Towers. Caker King was a mighty Tiger in those days. As such, he ruled a Principality that invited the rest of the Great Cats into the Den of the Hiss-and-Bite-Accord, a tradition now copied to different effect by the similarly-vanished March of Snakes. The royal stations of Great Cats have long-since become lost in the annals of celestial treaty. Caker King’s Tiger aspect is today only fashioned as a Stone-Leap of his last majestic hunting.

>>53470721
Literal Telvanni.

>>53471634
>Twin Lamps
Yes.

>Bretons
"Aged like a Breton" is a saying. Take it how you will.

>ascended a mod creator
Lady N.

>Tosh Raka
Claims to be Vivec and Jubal's child. Maybe.

>>53473592
Seems okay.

>>53473592
So far I'm surprised how much they restrained from pandering. So far most is alright but then they made up excuses for Imperial architecture to exist, to have Vvardenfell open long before it actually was, Truth in Sequence is iffy as fuck, Balmora sucks ass. But besides that stuff there's some decent stuff.

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Do you think she would have been bullied if she appeared in TES universe?
Would have other high mer call her mudblood?

She has all those eagle clothes but she isn't yellow and she is pretty.

>>53474363
You need to leave.

>>53474445
no.
I like tes.

>>53474466
Fuck off

>>53473698
Orsinium.

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>>53474478
No.

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What does this refer to? I'm pretty sure that Dreugh Armor isn't made of wax.

>>53474564
>>53474564
That's probably a typo, they probably meant the carapace

But last thread we discovered dreugh are trans-dimensional italians so who knows

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What do you call these screens that a lot of houses in Morrowind use? It's not something I ever pay much attention to but it's pretty interesting how they're used to create ''rooms'' in houses which have just one room.

>>53474363
>>53474509
who the fuck designs these armors

>>53474676
*trans-kalpic

>>53474676
*trans-fat-kaplic

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>they came from a pasta kapla
-anon

>>53474782
I like this new meme
don't any of you ruin it by posting it somewhere else

>>53474705
It's a screen. I'm certain there was a fancy frenchy word for it also.

>>53474705
Biombo in Spanish

daily reminder that Talos Stormcrown was an Atmoran, not a Breton

t. Bethesda Softworks

>>53474296
Vvardenfell being open isn't actually a plot hole. It was only deemed a Temple reserve in the Armistice with Tiber at the end of the second era.

>>53474705
Byōbu.

>>53475204
Yeah, Hjalti was the Breton.

>>53475204
Wulfhart was Atmoran just kidding hewas a Bosmer and he's a part of Talos, it checks out.

>>53474842
By somewhere else do you mean else on /tg/ or on other boards ?

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>>53475988
>just kidding hewas a Bosmer

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>>53476047
You heard me.

If Akatosh, Auri-el and Alduin are all part of the same god, and they are Time, wasn't Lorkhan a savior instead of a betrayer, for he made it possible for the spirits who eventually would become mortals to break free from, not only Nirn, but also from Time?

>>53477442
What do you mean? Time exists insofar as Mundus exists, which it wouldn't if it wasn't for Lorkhan. But that's just part of his long gamble. Prior to that it was only locally enforced on an plane(t) to plane(t) basis.

Also, Lorkhan is only a betrayer in some versions of the narrative. I'm going to drop a bomb on you here: Lorkhan is Akatosh.

>>53477525
So Akatosh and Alduin only exist because of Mundus?

>>53477571
As far as those interpretations go by mortal standards? Yeah.

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>>53474117
Wasn't 'aged like a Breton' taken out of context? I remember that quote being brought up, maybe in the last thread or last weekend, I just can't remember the exact quote.

>>53477646
Yyyeah, it probably was.

>>53471230
Not the last part, which is the important part.
>Turns out bee flight patterns are more exotic than thought.
>"The honeybees have a rapid wing beat," Altshuler told LiveScience. "In contrast to the fruit fly that has one eightieth the body size and flaps its wings 200 times each second, the much larger honeybee flaps its wings 230 times every second."
>This was a surprise because as insects get smaller, their aerodynamic performance decreases and to compensate, they tend to flap their wings faster.
>"And this was just for hovering," Altshuler said of the bees. "They also have to transfer pollen and nectar and carry large loads, sometimes as much as their body mass, for the rest of the colony."
>In order to understand how bees carry such heavy cargo, the researchers forced the bees to fly in a small chamber filled with a mixture of oxygen and helium that is less dense than regular air. This required the bees to work harder to stay aloft and gave the scientists a chance to observe their compensation mechanisms for the additional toil.
>The bees made up for the extra work by stretching out their wing stroke amplitude but did not adjust wingbeat frequency.
>"They work like racing cars," Altshuler said. "Racing cars can reach higher revolutions per minute but enable the driver to go faster in higher gear. But like honeybees, they are inefficient."
So that urban legend is dead. Good riddance.

>>53477646
>>53328303

Can someone make a summary of velothian ideals

>>53471778
Man, I'm Russian and this guys videos are great. Thanks for sharing them.

>>53475265
Strange, there was a ban for a long time to even make settlements or trade on Vvardenfell until near the end of the Third Era. Even the Great Houses weren't allowed for centuries. Armistice didn't happen until near the end of the Second Era either.

>>53477775
Saw Aldmer society as decadent. "Veloth supposedly sought a more ascetic and pure way of life for his followers" and "founded a new nation based on Daedric principles". The Daedra, as opposed to "Not Our Ancestors", being "Our Stronger, Better Ancestors."

Good Daedra: Azura, Boethiah, Mephala
(Four Corners of the) House of Troubles: Dagon, Sheogorath, Malacath, Bal
Revere the Good, deal with the Bad. Practice "Fundamentalist Ancestor Worship".

>The basis for the teachings of the Prophet Veloth, founder of present day Morrowind and father of Dunmeri culture. Veloth describes the Psijic Endeavor as a process of glorious apotheosis, where time itself is bent inward and outward into 'a shape that is always new'. Those who can attain this state, called chim, experience an ineffable sense of the godhead, and escape the strictures of the world-egg.
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/more-psijic-endeavor

>>53477951
Just a bit of a continue on this, it sounds like Imperials didn't have any settlements until late 2nd Era at best. Wait, when does ESO take place again?

>>53477951
>>53478009
Don't mind him, it's just ESOfag mental gymnastics again.

>>53478039
???
>Vvardenfell had been maintained as a preserve administrated by the Temple since the Treaty of the Armistice, and except for a few Great House settlements sanctioned by the Temple, Vvardenfell was previously uninhabited and undeveloped.
>But when the centuries-old Temple ban on trade and settlement of Vvardenfell was revoked by King of Morrowind, a flood of Imperial colonists and Great House Dunmer came to Vvardenfell, expanding old settlements and building new ones.
- Morrowind, the video game, 2002.

>>53478127
>and except for a few Great House settlements sanctioned by the Temple, Vvardenfell was previously uninhabited and undeveloped
Exactly.

Do you think Crassius is a virgin?

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>>53478713
>forgot pic

>>53478249
Previous to Morrowind, the game, set in the year 3E whenever. Not previous to the Armistice.

What would each race eat as a night snack

>>53479636
For Argonians, an egg-brother's sap.

>>53479636
For Dwemers, doritos and mountain dew

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>>53479636
For nords, pic related, a honey nut treat.
For dunmer, chewing leaves or roots seems fitting.
Imperials probably have rice snacks.
Khajiit have something sweet.

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>>53474296
Not a fan of the fucking tiny Cantons.

>>53479636
>Altmer
They probably have a spell to stave off hunger so they don't get overweight. Either that or fish cakes.
>Argonian
Probably whatever was buried in the mud beneath their hut, dead fish or something.
>Bosmer
Probably whatever was hanging from their tree house, dead squirrels or something.
>Breton
A slice of fanciful cake made from sweet imported sugar.
>Colovian
Whatever the Nords eat because they're huge Nordiboos.
>Dunmer
Boiled kwama egg or bread slathered with scrib jelly.
>Imga
Bananas or some shit, but they make it look fancy and show the Altmer who get pissed off at them, like your father when you show him a painting you made and he tells you it's shit, asshole.
>Khajiit
Something sweet, like taffy or fondue.
>Maormer
Sushi or something fishy.
>Nibenese
Probably rice cakes or cheese and wine.
>Nord
Honey-nut candies or a slice of juniper berry pie.
>Orsimer
Probably whatever they have sitting inside their tent, dead boars or something.
>Redguard
I imagine Redguards would eat a lot of meat, probably some of the birds and lizards living in the desert. Maybe a spiced-lizard kebab? Or fishy sticks.
>Sload
Their own children.

So in ancient Rome and Greece, gladiators and athletes had their sweat collected and sold, do you think this would happen in Cyrodiil as well?

>>53481867
100%.

>>53481867
It probably has "alchemical properties" or some shit, so definitely.

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>>53481867
>A bucket of sweat, you say?

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Did Pelinal travelling back in time allow there to be two Shezzarines at once?

Can there be any more after the merging of Talos?

>>53483248
An oversoul (in the general, not TES-specific sense) can have multiple aspects or emanations at the same time

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Who is the best bard and why is it Dreugh Martin?

>>53469334
Is it possible for anyone to feel pleasure from a puny mortal dick after they've had Molag Bal's daedric cock?

Cause I feel that may be one reason why Serana won't marry you.

>>53484596
Serena is fucking shit

Stupid fucking "oh I'm a GOOD vampire girl" faggot trope, and you're SUPPOSED to fall in love with her daddy issues flirty self and in reality she's a fucking CORPSE who feeds off PEOPLE and is the literal RAPE-BABY of Molag Bal.


Nab yourself a good Nord wife and call it a day.

>>53484904
But if I'm not a Nord, that means I'll be passing the power of a Dragonborn outside of my own people.

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>>53484904
Bethesda is just horrible at making characters engaging - I can count the ones I actually liked a lot and 'wanted to be friends with' on one hand, and that's including what I've played of their Fallout games. Granted, most weren't shit and just didn't stand out.

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>>53485906
For me Vivec and Dagoth Ur have been the most compelling personalities of all the games. They're heavily flawed but want to do their version of the "right thing" even though their methods are objectionable. Some of the Telvanni wizards are unique too.

The only other memorable characters are the extremely hateable or memeable ones like Delphine, Fargoth, adoring fan, ect. Everyone else seems to be just a quest objective.

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>>53486135
>By the way... do you happen to know what the fine is here in Cyrodiil for necrophilia? Just asking.
There are some characters that stick out, but overall, yeah, a lot of people are rather forgettable. But then, is everyone you meet in real life going to be that interesting either?

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What's his alignment?

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I wish that the Snow Elves won the battle of the Moesring and survived on Solstheim. I think it'd be more interesting to have a small Falmer kingdom in north eastern Tamriel which is similar to the summerset isles instead of tree hugging Nords.

>>53469539

Too bad they are all dead

>>53470128

They used the tools and murdered the nerevar

>>53486135
To be fair the adoring fan is supposed to be a meme

>>53474705

>who the fuck designs these armors

sheogorath, by the looks of it

>>53486135

Martin Septim was a nice little story about redemption, too bad it was tied up in the most boring main quest of any RPG ever

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>>53484904
>not allowed to kill the vampire when you join the vampire-killing guild

Really jostled my hostles.

At least the Soul Cairn, Forgotten Vale,
and most of the rest of Dawnguard was pretty rad.

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Why do the three allow poverty if they love their people

>>53486750
Because they don't love the people

>>53486135
Disregarding Oblivion, the best character in TES is Uriel Septim VII.

Does any one have that impeccably detailed copypasta explaining Dagoth Ur and Numidium? It is very long, and very informative.

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Never played daggerfall but this dreugh is damn spooky

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>>53473559
https://youtu.be/OeSL66olUi4
these are the right kind son.

>>53484904
What's wrong with being a corpse or feeding on people?

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>>53484904
Serena and Dawnguard in general are meh.
Frea and Dragonborn on the other hand are god-tier, but casuals for some reason can't actually appreciate Solstheim. Seriously, almost everyone who's played Skyrim has played Dawnguard, but very few actually bother going to Solstheim. There's people with thousands of hours in Skyrim who have never gone to Solstheim. For me it's a priority, I get there as soon as my character is strong enough.

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>>53486494
There's probably a few Snow Elf enclaves in the Druadach Mountains and in islands in the Sea of Ghosts. There's islands like Roscrea that we know jackshit about.

>>53486750
>Australia as Vvardenfell
try the peloponnesos

>>53477673
I choose to believe that Bretons age quickly but live for a long time. That way, we get a lot of cranky, elderly Breton wizards who live forever, because why not?

It also makes sense when one considers their reaction to those Orc kids on their lawn.

>>53484904
Ah, the "good vampire", First time I played Dawnguard, I was playing a wrathful Vigilant of Stendarr who wanted to avenge his fallen brothers and sisters by purging everything even vaguely daedric.

Spent about ten minutes shooting the bitch with my crossbow before deciding to break character and progress the story.

Fucking railroads, am I right?

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Well that's one way to play

>>53490112
autism

d-don't die pls

>>53492606
almsivi

Can the weekend thread keep going through memorial day?

I am starting my first play through of Morrowind, are the Tribunal actually false gods or do they relate to the whole TES metaphysics lore?

Truth in Sequence is ..........

Fill in the gaps.

>>53489339
Solstheim is one of the best parts of Skyrim, but holy fuck it's so bad compared to the Morrowind version.

>>53492832
Both.

>>53492832
It will keep going until it dies.
You're not the center of the world.

>>53492882

which is ironic since the bottom half of nu-solstheim is intentionally meant to look like vvardenfell

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>>53492979
I can deal with the ashlands shit, and it kinda makes sense since with morrowind you had the whole game of ashlands and then you get to go to comfy forest area while its the opposite with skyrim, but whoever butchered the terrain needs to be fucking shot.

>>53493252
I really have to play both Bloodmoon and Dragonborn...

>>53469593
The problem is that both Daedra, Aedra and the Tribunal are false gods.

Fuck it Aedra aren't even the Ancestor Spirits of any race or whatever but just decided to rule over the EHlonfey races in their vicinity.

>The war in the Anuad describes the conflict between the Ehlonfey/first Mer of Tamriel and the first men/changed Ehlonfey from Atmora. In the war one of the Meretic Ehlonfey dieties shot down the chief deity of the Atmoran pantheon, Shor otherwise known as Lorkhan by the Mer.

>>53474117
>>Bretons
>"Aged like a Breton" is a saying. Take it how you will.


Bretons are a race of Half-Elves.

The term ''Aged like a breton'' was used to describe a Dunmer Emperor who left no heirs which sparked a sucession crisis after someone decide they don't want to be ruled by his mother (all of them had the Septim bloodline).

>>53476047
Wulfarth was the Bosmer that killed a High King od Skyrim.
Later on his descendants took over Whiterun.

>Whiterun is full of Mer-lovers.
>Even the current Jarl has a Dunmer sidebitch.

>Talos the god is composed of Zurin the Imperial, Hjalti the Breton and Wulfhart the Bosmer.
>Talos is literally half elven.

Of course the Thalmor would hate that notion as much as the Stormcloaks.

>>53494878
>Zurin the Imperial
>Imperial
Laughing Snakemen.

>>53477525
I'm going to drop a real bomb for you.

>Aedra aren't the creators of Nirn but just decided to rule over the mortal races.

>They didn't create the mortal races either since those were the survivors of the 12 worlds that Phadomai destroyed.

>Lorkan is Shor and was the Aedra that ruled the Atmoran Ehlonfey.

>When the Tamrielic Ehlonfey (the first mer) decided to kill of the other ''changed'' Ehlonfey it sparked a war that escalated to the level of the Aedra getting involved.

>Trinimac kills of Shor like a proper stealth archer.

>Shor's/Lorkhans heart is burried under red mountain.

>The Nords believe they descended from the sky with the help of Kyne and are eternal outsiders and invaders in this world.

>Kyne literaly helped them descend from the sky when the continents from the 12 worlds came crashing down on Nirn.

The Divines are a sham.
For fucks sake what do you think CHIM was all about.

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>>53492832
Make another thread if you wish, but don't expect it to have quality discussion

To answer your question, the tribunal are false gods who took their powers from the heart, but do have "one foot in the divine" so to speak.

From Vivec's dialogue:
>It is like being a juggler. Things are always moving, and you learn to know where they are without even thinking about it. Only there are many, many things moving. And sometimes, like any juggler, you drop something. I'm afraid it has become a lot more a matter of dropping things lately. There's too much to do, and not enough time, and I'm losing my touch. Perhaps I'm growing old.

>It is a bit like being at once awake and asleep. Awake, I am here with you, thinking and talking. Asleep, I am very, very busy. Perhaps for other gods, the completely immortal ones, it is only like that being asleep. Out of time. Me, I exist at once inside of time and outside of it.

>It's nice never being dead, too. When I die in the world of time, then I'm completely asleep. I'm very much aware that all I have to do is choose to wake. And I'm alive again. Many times I have very deliberately tried to wait patiently, a very long, long time before choosing to wake up. And no matter how long it feels like I wait, it always appears, when I wake up, that no time has passed at all. That is the god place. The place out of time, where everything is always happening, all at once.

Dead King Wulfhart = King Dead Wolf-Deer

>>53495018
He was Imperial before he got eaten by Vershu.

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>>53495037
Ain't no bombs left to be dropped. Trinimac was Lorkatosh's shield-thane and friend and took his Heart as a request from his liege, the final act to stabilize the newly created Mundus: Tower to Tower, Adamantine to Red, East to West, Space to Time, I; the Wheel sideways. Despite this the guilt he felt (also known as Boethiah) was to much as to cause him to confess before the throngs. He was eaten from the inside by his guilt for committing the act of regicide, the killing his rightful king. That's subcreation for you.

>>53493252
I could understand the southern part being coverd in ash but there's only a very thin strip of green. After that it's all fucking snow. The green strip should be much larger.

>>53493252
I love how Castle Karstaag is obviously visible in the Bloodmoon shot.
I hate that Dragonborn made it a fucking blue mine entrance.

>>53495084
>wulfhart
>wolfhert
>wolfdeer
("hert" means deer in dutch, probably in other languages too)

>>53496804
"Hart" means "deer" in English too.

>>53496804
hart means hard in german

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>>53496873

>>53496804
its hjort in swedish
>>53496873
and hjärta

>>53489339
Honestly, Dragonborn is incredibly overrated.

>>53494878
The Wild Hunt occurred before Wulfharth would have even been born.
Borgas, was killed by Ysmir, the immortal spirit Ysmir, who precursed, and would be present later again in the Nord Wulfharth, a continuation, if you will, of Wolf-Dear.
Ysmir is a spirit of Nordic zeal and vengeance, it 'smote' Borgas as a fuck you to both him and the Alessians. Just as Wulfharth would continue fucking up Alessians. It doesn't need to appear as a literal Nord, as he is a spirit, something inherently not literal. To the Nords, the very fact that Borgas got his comeuppance is enough for them to conclude Ysmir was responsible, just as Sai worshipers attribute every twist in Tamrieilic fate to the wiles of Sai, because 'those people had to be lucky to get there!'

Also Wulfharth was the king of Solitude, not Whiterun.

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How did the Spear of Bitter Mercy come to be associated with Sheogorath?

Posting of the Hunt makes it seem like it has to do with the Wild Hunt.

>>53501603
It's a completely different type of Hunt.

>>53496804
hart in polish is a name of the skinny racing dogs race

>>53501603
Maybe Sheogorath got a hold of it after the events of the Battlespire?

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>>53471285
Does it even introduce anything new? The only thing I saw that wasn't an existing element of lore was that one skeleton door.

>>53504885
Anything good in ESO Morrowind in terms of new lore?

>>53505072
Lot of small tidbits I like. Insights into dwemer slavery and cliffracer behavior (they kidnap things up to guars in size and trap them in giant nests made of their feces, for no other reason than that they hate all living beings).

>>53504885
That the Emperor with Goldbrand was apparently the player with Goldbrand disguised as the emperor.

>>53505562
It's like they're trying to make the Medes even more boring.

>>53505602
They didn't look spectacular to begin with

Does anyone have a map showcasing the different sub-ethnicities of Cyrodiil. I remember seeing one in a previous thread but didn't save it.

>>53472790
So true

>>53505562
But why?

>>53506584
Because the devs played Skyrim.

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>>53501603
If it weren't for the strong association with Hircine, I'd guess it was originally the daedric weapon of Jygglag. What comes of absolute Order can be bitter.

>>53505602
They have a hard series of acts to follow admittedly.

>>53506692
"Bitter mercy" just refers to the ritual View to the Kill of the Innocent Quarry. It's death.

Read some Battlespire stuff:
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Posting_of_the_Hunt
It's good shit.

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>>53507545
By the way, I know it's been done before (in Battlespire), but using that entire ritual Wild Hunt again could be neat. There's a lot of ways it could be used, either with the player as the Hare (like Battlespire) or with the player as the Huntsman.
You could even have it as a NPC thing. Reachmen cults in the remote parts of the Reach recreating the ritual in order to gain Hircine's favour. Would be a nice cult storyline.

I'd pilfer it for the next campaign I'm playing in (supernatural horror/urban fantasy stuff), but i'm not the GM this time around.

>>53495037
So all the stories that revolve Lorkhan building Nirn together with the Aedra, who then got trapped on it, are false? Aedra and Lorkhan just wandered onto Nirn to rule over people while the Daedra preferred to create their own worlds?
Who created Nirn then?

>>53498414
Is there any way you can actually know Sai is at work somewhere?

>>53505602
I think Titus Mede I is quote an interesting character actually. He's mostly a victim of circumstances as the empire loses control over pretty much every province, and he inherited a weak empire in the first place (capturing the imperial city with just a 1000 men)

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I've tried reading loads of resources on the origins of mundus and the divine beings but I still don't get it. Can anyone explain please? It's the single most confusing point for me. Earth bones, Lorkan, et'ada, aedra, daedra, Elves being direct descendants of the divine, Only the High Elves becoming gods if all the towers get destroyed, the origins of man, argonians, yokudans... All of that metaphysical origins of the world shit just perplexes me

>>53509123
Every pixel on this picture is for a different dick she has taken.

Just finished reading Truth in Sequence. Did Sotha Sil fall for the all-maker meme?

>>53474676

Elaborate. I thought they were just previously sentient beings that became savage.

>>53511385
It was a typo last thread. Someone said pasta kalpa and now dreugh are spaghetti-squids

>>53510630

please respond...

>>53510630
Dear anon, before I begin trying to explain it simply, there are some presumptions you must be familiar with:
>nobody knows the creation precisely. all that we can do is try to come up with a narrative through elimination and inferring. anybody who says they have the answer, is trying to sell you a religion.
>greatest creative and metaphysical powers are silent or long gone (or utterly unreliable). those who claim anything on their behalf, is trying to sell you a religion.
>those creators who speak, most often do so on a specific agenda. majority of such characters are proven to be self-centered and manipulative (eg.Daedra)
>omniscience is practically impossible, there are varying degrees and contexts of reality and nothing can know the entire extent of all realities (except for a theoretical Godhead or All-Maker), thus, omniscience is not true. existence is never ending and most probably cyclical. some being who claims to have amassed all knowledge or claims to be an integral part of creation so much so that without their dominance, reality would be impossible to think about (eg. Hermaeus Mora and Alduin) may be right to a certain degree but since there is no way to know if there has ever been an existence without them, we can never assume that they know all the answers or their answers are legitimate in any and all contexts of reality.
>the only way to know the reality for certain, is to transcend what makes you real. those who tried achieving such wisdom have gone missing (zero-sum) or became godly beings (we are not sure if they became godly prior to their enlightenment or the other way, since these beings are beyond conventional logic anee chronology). anyone who tells you that they have achieved godly wisdom, is probably trying to sell you something (eg.Mannimarco).

These are what to keep in mind. These presumptions make it possible for authors and fans to do whatever the fuck they want with the setting.

>>53511736
>ywn live in the pasta kalpa, tasting pristine daedrenonnic spaghetti with your mer-onni bros

Why even live

>>53510630
>>53511854
Now, for ages, with the "globalization" in Tamriel, different cultures realized there are many common themes in their creation myths. These are commonly accepted to be the canon of common faiths (in contrasts to cults, daedea worship and mumbojumbo like Sotha Sil). Although, pretty much every culture still retains their original mythology to a certain degree. This mixture makes it impossible to precisely explain one deities role in a particular event but we still believe the most common idea and regard those who disagree as eccentrics (eg. Lorkhan has very different roles in different mythologies but the common sentiment is that Lorkhan propagated the creation by somehow urging the creation spirits. If you say "but akschually Lorkhan was the best and fuck elves", common people will give you a weird look)
Now, the most commonly accepted narrative is that of the Anuad.
>there is Anu and Padomay, they are the two sides of the same coin
>they argue over creation and disagree. Anu wishes stasis while Padomay wishes change. Their quarrel spawns forth concepts like time, entropy, being, nothingness and so on
>soon, spirits spawn, not unrelated to these concepts. Greatest of these spirits become embodiments of great concepts and other lesser ones, becoming either mixtures of different concepts or being a lesser aspect of a great concept. Some spirits become antagonists to each other and this antagonism causes much strife. Think about it, time is in the domain of stasis since time is the ultimate law, but time also necessitates change and entropy. Thus, we say that greatest of concepts, emulate the dichotomy btw Anu and Padomay. Life and death. Is and isn't. Physical and metaphysical.
>Lorkhan somehow gets the spirits, both greater and lesser ones, to contribute to the creation of a system where Anuic concepts and Padonaic concepts are together. It is done as so. Then spirits realize that now they must confront their counterparts and be antagonized.

>>53512037

Alright, I get it so far. Now what? What happened afterwards? The magna-ge escaped right? And the daedra were the spirits which refused to help with the creation of mundus? How do the elnohfey differ from the aedra, didn't they both create the world? And how are elves related to them? is there really such a thing as elven "racial purity"? How do men and Argonians fit into all this?

sorry, lotta questions

>>53510630
Now some spirits see this antagonism as a sacrifice they must make in order to honor the Convention, the agreement that created the system we call existence. Some spirits denied to contribute anything and they remained looser spirits, unbound by many restrictions of reality (these are the Daedra). Some spirits totally gave away their whole selves to BE something and nothing else (these are the Earthbones). Some spirits of greater concepts found themselves to be responsible for so many rules and laws that they became gods of their domains (these are the Divines). Lastly, some lesser spirits who weren't dedicated to one concept or the other, rather, were mixtures, travelled to the newly created Mundus to be the mortal races. Thus, elves realized they were suckered out of immortality by being nothing but an idea soup. Men realized they had been created so why not live the life by their free will and thus became the greatest annoyance to the elves. Some elves also said fuck it, I make my own way and became Chimer. Some elves got redpilled and became Dwemer. Some became cannibals, fish, cats, santas little helpers and so on.

So now where we are at is this whole mess where we dont know who to worship since we dont know if Divines are a really real thing and only gods we know for sure are real (daedric princes, almsivi and talos) are huge assholes.

For other issues, here's a rundown
>redguards and The Hist (argonians with them) probably migrated from another time, without experiencing the same Convention that created the world we play in
>some Divines are probably less divine than the others (like Talos, who basically canonized himself to be worshipped alongside the Divines, but he probably is a shadow of Anuiel and Lorkhan together)
>some people in TES can become others by emulating them. This also goes for concepts (a basic example is imagine how you "become" Gray Fox. On a larger scale, Talos became the two sides of the same coin where Akatosh and Lorkhan

>>53512379

ah wait, so it's bullshit that the elves are "more divine" than men, then? They were both simply spirits which didn't represent any particular concepts but were bound to the world anyways and simply decided to inhabit it? ok

So if the divines are these spirits that got suckered with too much responsibility, why even bother? Why don't they just say "fuck you im not doing it"? and do the Daedra still remember all these facts about creation and the metaphysical aspects and therefore see the world as basically a huge game?

Why do elves live longer than humans? Doesn't this in itself inherently make them superior? I mean, if it wasn't for Tiber Septim, would men have ever gotten shit done?

>>53509209
>Who created Nirn then?

Anu who gathered the remains of the 12 worlds birthed by Nir.

The Aedra just descended onto Nirn after one of their jackasses said hey it would be cool to do so.

Then they got trapped in the world and lost their powers because Anu created the world so it would reject Phadomaic powers.

Daedra can't descend completely cause they are purely Phadomaic while the Aedra carry both Anuic and Phadomaic traits which allowed them to descend but in the end robbed them of their power.

Meanwhile Magna Ge came down saw it was shit and left.

>>53512577

>12 worlds
>PHAdomaic

nani

>>53512166
Now there are two problems with this round of existence. First is that in the Convention the genius architects decided to create these things called Towers and set one Key for each of them. These were to be the pillars of sustaining reality, without them, the system collapses. With every game we have been losing Towers and Keys and so reality is getting more and more fucked. Problem two is that Alduin, a part of Anu/Anuiel/Auriel/Akatosh whatever you want to call this being of concept, was meant to destroy all existence so that it may be renewed. We stopped him though so Tamriel will probably descend more and more into utter chaos as the laws of reality get broken more and more.

Oh and yeah, sometimes, smenthings can become SO disruptive that they change the system from within the system. Examples include Marukh and Numidium (probably twice).

>>53512166
Divines are probably not gods like Zeus, they are probably "truths". They can't "stop doing thing" because they are not doing stuff to begin with, they just are. Daedra know more than they tell the characters but they know less than players assume. They are not omniscient and many act out roles like a theater play.

Elves live longer because muh DnD. No real metaphysical explanation but there are some myths surrounding this issue (see Orkey and Nords, Syrabane and Altmer).

>>53512451
>so it's bullshit that the elves are "more divine" than men, then?
Elves are more Anuic (mostly) while men are more Padomic (mostly).
>Why don't they just say "fuck you im not doing it"?
Because they don't have a choice in the matter. They're basically bound as a concept with the exception of Akatosh.
>do the Daedra still remember all these facts about creation and the metaphysical aspects and therefore see the world as basically a huge game?
Absolutely.
>Why do elves live longer than humans?
d&d carry over The Altmer "changed the way they walk" to extend their lives. So I assume this means they eat lots of veggies and drink their milk. Most other elves only live a few decades more than a human without magical interference.
>if it wasn't for Tiber Septim, would men have ever gotten shit done?
R E M A N
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>>53512678

again, doesn't that make elves objectively superior, then?

Also, are the racial abilities and passives in the games actually canonical or purely a quirk of the system? Do nords really resist frost? Do Bretons actually have a documented resistance to magic?

And what are these keys? I thought the towers simply had to be physically destroyed

and ah gotcha, so the Earth bones became very specific concepts that bind the earth together, whereas the Aedra are more lose ideas such as justice etc. Are they sentient, despite being metaphysical concepts? Do they have plans and ideals and feelings? They do apparently bless the faithful, so...

>>53512697

lol so for the Daedra, its as much a video game as for us? Not in the literal sense, but in the practical, in the way that the world was merely an artificial creation, like a sim game.

Wasn't meridia a magne-ge that came back and fucked around and got DAEDRA'D and her dad kicked her out, and isn't a literal Daedra?

>>53512835
>again, doesn't that make elves objectively superior, then?
No, why would it?
>Also, are the racial abilities and passives in the games actually canonical or purely a quirk of the system?
Some are. Argonians breathe underwater and altmer are weak to magic. Though this IS a video game, no need to take it too seriously all the time.
>And what are these keys?
Things that let you utilize the powers of a Tower. When lost, a Tower probably becomes non-functional.
>Are they sentient, despite being metaphysical concepts? Do they have plans and ideals and feelings?
We don't know.
>They do apparently bless the faithful, so...
Do they though? We don't know.
>Wasn't meridia...
WE WUZ STARS N SHIEIT

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>>53512835
>are the racial abilities and passives in the games actually canonical or purely a quirk of the system?
A little of both. I'm sure there are plenty of Imperials who couldn't talk their way out of an old persons' home, but all Khajiit are light of foot and can jump high and climb trees and shit.
>Do nords really resist frost?
They run around in short sleeves and cotton pants during a snow storm, so probably.
>Do Bretons actually have a documented resistance to magic?
They most likely built up a tolerance after years of arcane abuse by the Direnni.
>Are they sentient, despite being metaphysical concepts? Do they have plans and ideals and feelings?
Not anymore. Aside from, again, Akatosh, who is a different story.
>They do apparently bless the faithful, so...
Those are most certainly game mechanics, otherwise there would be no sickness as a prayer can cure you.
>Wasn't meridia a magne-ge that came back and fucked around and got DAEDRA'D
Yes, because she is autistic and has a hateboner for the undead.

>>53513041

>why would it?

Because they're functionality identical to me in every regards except irrelevant physical differences, except they live longer

>Do they though? We don't know.

Well, you do get blessings in-game, so unless it's some conspiracy and they're enchanted altars...

>WE WUZ STARTS N SHEIT

Yeah but she actually wuz, wuzn't she?

>>53469334
What game is this concept art from?

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>>53513093
>functionality identical to me
pic related
>Well, you do get blessings
It could be like those Ayleid wells. The builder taps into the magicka currents and creates a node of power and redirects it in a particular way that it creates the desired magical effect. Like a trap but for good.
>wuzn't she?
We honestly don't know for sure.

>>53513187

fuck off u cunt the only difference between me and you is you have different coloured skin and pointy ears. The only actual substantial difference is you live longer.

>>53513239
Humans tend to be more muscular than elves as well.

>>53513303
And way more fertile...

>>53510630
Fuck, I finally remember it.
These remind me of some drawings from a really good documentary about the moon.

>>53514636
https://youtu.be/8OurT4T8m4Y?t=23m17s

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Speaking of the Ra'athim, a week or so ago someone brought up the fate of Barenziah's children, and I forgot to mention that Morgiah actually has a pair of kids, one of which is set to inherit the throne of Firsthold. And that's about as haram as something can get in Alinor, the kids being Dunmer and all that.
We don't know what happened to Morgiah or her children, Goranthir and Rinnala, but you can bet they were pretty high on the Thalmor shit-list. At best they're in exile, at worst they're all dead.

There's a nice potential to make something out of this, have something about Goranthir being the "rightful king" in exile or whatever, but I doubt that's ever going to happen.

>>53511219
I find it hard to believe that Big B has only had 2 678 130 dicks in her.

Somebody post an art of races in TES.
This picture was drawn by pencils and had red color as primal one.
It was really cool.

>>53515011
They all look like homosexuals

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>>53515148
do you have it or not?
Hang it over!

>>53513106
TES X: Aurbis

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>>53515011

>>53516582
no

>>53509025
Wasn't it kind of done with Hircine's questline in Skyrim, with the werewolf being hunted?

>>53501603
Madness is a bitter mercy, perhaps, but a mercy none the less.

>>53512577
Not a single thing you just said is correct.

>>53512678
Stones. Towers and Stones.

>>53512835
>Wasn't meridia a magne-ge that came back and fucked around and got DAEDRA'D and her dad kicked her out, and isn't a literal Daedra?
Yeah. There is no such thing as a "literal" Daedra. It's just a group distinction the Aldmer made up.

>>53516582
>WE WUZ SETLIRZ N SHIET
>Reddies are just Nords with blackface
>Fuk u thalmore gibs me dat Elven armor

Nords are the niggers of Tamriel

>>53518821
>Stones
Shit! My bad. Exam week...

>>53518821
Doesn't Meridia have a realm in Oblivion which marks her as a Daedra

>>53519823
That doesn't mean anything. There are Daedra without their realm on Oblivion, like all the lesser Daedra. There are Daedra who have multiple realms on Oblivion. There are realms that contain realms inside, which in turn, contain even more realms inside (Hircine, Nocturnal and Clavicus Vile have such realms). There are realms on Oblivion that weren't created by Daedra like the pocket realm Jagar Tharn created in TES:Arena, and the Gaiar Alata of Mankar Camoran, and the Battlespire, though it was not entirely inside Oblivion. In the game, Battlespire, there are multiple realms created or invaded by Mehrunes Dagon that didn't have a prince. There is also the Soul Cairn, a realm that also not ruled by a prince.

So, even if Meridia is a "proper" Daedric Prince, it's not because she has a realm. And it's also worth noting that Daedra/Aedra distinction is more ideological than factual. Mortals tend to 'understand by analysis' which leads us to name, categorize and rationalize things but these spirits, many of them being Padomaic, are ultimately unconstrained by rules and logic.

Even the definition "Daedric Prince" is pretty loose. Malacath, Meridia and Sheogorath(Hero of Kvatch) really mess up the whole paradigm.

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It was a nice thread. See y'all next weekend.

>>53520794
There are turkeys in Tamriel?

Reminder Colovian master race, Empire reigns supreme
Talos loves his red legions, fuck elves

>>53520585
It's worth noting that the title of Prince an office that's implicit even within Oblivion, of course. As in, that's not just something people on Nirn made up.

>>53521117
Seems within the realm of possibility.

>>53521974
I tend to assume all "normal" real world animals can exist on nirn, is just a matter of a game or a in game text putting them there.

>>53520794
Why is this thread weekend only?

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>>53525027
Not enough to sustain the thread over a whole week - we're between games, ESO is not well liked, and even then there's not much new lore coming out - and it tends to devolve into autism if it lasts too long.

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>>53518958
>Nords are the niggers of Tamriel
t. Thalmor

sorry sweetie, but Nords are the best race

>>53529221
Aye.

We're watching you
...
Scum.

>>53470664

>why not smothering by bees

Rated M for graphic horror lol

should we talk the thread to death (bump limit) or just sagepost from now on?

if you wanna talk the thread to death, you have to come up with a topic we can discuss, preferably multiple

>>53520585

So what DOES define the difference between an Aedra and Daedra? It's just an ideological distiction? I thought the Aedra were bound into rules of reality that constituted concepts (and the earth bones made up the planet itself) and the Daedra chose not to assist and were simply spirits that existed and did whatever they wanted. Do they have to represent the things they do (like madness or dreams) or do they simply choose to? What about Malacath, who represents curses and pariahs but is simply a deformed Aedric spirit? Is he even a daedra right and proper?

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>>53486524
in fairness they produced a timeline where they did/did not murder the nerevar but it cannot be contested that they toyed with divinity, also vivec's stupid trick with the ministry of truth lead to the red year.

tru fax

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>>53532541
First of all, let's remember that Daedric Princes have a multitude of names, shapes, personalities and powers. They simply choose to demonstrate them to mortals according to their wish. For example Dagon in Oblivion and Morrowind is a fucking drama queen. He doesn't "need" those silly horns and arms. All he needs is to become a ball of fucking lava and just roll over Imperial City or Mournhold. So, we know for sure, that Daedric Princes are really into theatre and a lot of times, they just play along.

Imagine you are being referred to as Daedra all the time, by those who respect you and challenge you. Wouldn't you accept the title for the dramatic effect? Just by being referred to as Daedra, these spirits achieved a huge place in public consciousness. It's the same if they were called demons or something. They are just taking advantage of the common peoples beliefs.

Julianos doesn't care if you call him Aedra. Julianos never ever told anyone that he was an Aedra. He didn't even say I'm a Divine. We told ourselves that he is as such.

The definition of the difference between Aedra and Daedra is made up by us. But we are not stupid, when the definition was made, of course some rationalization was made. Julianos and Stendarr have more in common than Dibella and Hermaeus Mora does. But when Zenithar and Peryite look a little bit too similar, people add another precondition to "who to call Aedra/Daedra". In generations, these particular spirits came to be known in their respective categories. This is a reason for the Thalmor stuff, Talos doesn't fit their definition of Aedra.

There is nothing in-game or OOG that says "Hircine can't into madness". Even lesser daedra are absolutely NOT identical. There are honorable Dremora and trickster Dremora and so on. So I believe it's safe to assume that what drives Princes to their domains is choice. This kalpa, Molag Bal chose to be a rapist and last kalpa he was the patron of dreughs.

>>53532541
>>53532741
In connection to this, imagine Sheogorath. What really happened is most probably Sheo wanted the lead role this kalpa and other actors threw a hissy fit. So he said "okay, I'll play two supporting roles then", and everybody was like "good luck".

Then, he got bored and told Hero of Kvatch if he'd like to be famous.

>>53533104

I never really got Talos or these 3. Where can I learn more about them? I should learn more about the Empire in general, really.

Does anyone have Kirkbride art pack and can share it?
I really like it but finding it and saving one by one is hard.

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>>53533174
I think most of it is there.
http://michaelkirkbride.tumblr.com/

>>53533104
this is cringy as fuck

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>>53533127
imperial-library(dot)info famalam

Basically Tiber Septim is 3 people fused into one because the same historical figure represented all these people at the same time. In TES, sometimes, Elder Scrolls keep the name of a character and not the actor, so reality treats you as if you were that character. For example, I'm John, I'm a smith, a husband and a father. I'm the guy LDB sells 10000 iron daggers to. That's my part to play in this chronicle. Elder Scrolls themselves don't care if my name is John or Jack. As long as the part is played, it's all cool. Conventional people can't reach to that level where they can take over conventional roles from other conventional people. However, there are some legendary, prophetic roles in Elder Scrolls. If someone is worthy enough, they will be so effective on the chronicles that they fulfill that grand role, hence, be one with those others who played that role. What happens to us in Morrowind with the Nerevarine Prophecy is this.

Talos, on the other hand, is one dude who saw through the stage and realized the roles were played by actors. He then proceeded to play those roles himself and the other actors were like wtf!? but he didn't stop.

Years later, we are unable to think Talos without Tiber, Wulfharth and Zurin altogether. It's a bit more complicated than this and someone may sperg out at me but this is the gist of it.

>>53534382

how much do we know about the scrolls and what they truly are and mean, as well as their origins?

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is Alduin Akatosh?

Are Akatosh and Auri-El the same entity?

>>53535788
alduen ent akatosh

>>53536089
English please

>>53535788
Yes and no. Alduin, Akatosh, Alkosh, Auriel, etc. are all fragments of the same being. We have seen both Akatosh and Alduin and they look nothing alike other than basic draconic features.

>>53536217
>time entity
>dragon
i see it pretty hard desu

this is Elder Scrolls we are talking about here, i totally believe that they might have different moralities as different faces of the same entity.

>>53532541
Well, there wasn't a difference until what you mentioned happened. Nearly every Daedric Prince has something that makes their role more complicated: if they were at one point considered an Aedra or Magne Ge, if they were transformed, or created somehow.

>>53534570
Basically nothing. A few lines.

>>53532766
Could there have been a particular reason he chose the Hero of Kvatch? I don't mean in just 'he's the guy who could manage it' way, but wondering if there was something special about him that made it easier to make him the new Sheogorath.

>>53537653

ye

he was the MC

Why no Altmer love? Dunmer are probably the coolest of the elves, but I feel like Altmer are under-appreciated. Same as the Bosmer.

>>53534382
But why do we still think of Wulfharth and Zurin as being Talos, if in the end they both ended up becoming the Underking? Wouldn't that make them separate from the Talos oversoul or what have you? The Underking existed for a long time and became well known enough to be a boogeyman for High Rock citizens, and when he got the Mantella he seemed to just die.

>>53505101
Blessed be St. Jiub.

>Snow Elves fuck with Dawn magic
>Get fucked by Lorkhan's legions of men
>Ayleids fuck with Dawn magic
>Get fucked by Lorkhan's legions of men
>Altmer get all uppity with their Dominion shit
>Get fucked by Lorkhan's Numidium Avatar
>Dwemer fuck with Lorkhan's Heart
>Get vanished
>Dunmer fuck with Lorkhan's Heart
>All their shit gets fucked. All of it.
>Altmer get all uppity with their Dominion shit again
>Tiber Septim 2.0 gets spawned
When will the Elves learn to just stay away from anything to do with Lorkhan?

>>53537775
Like it or not, Skyrim caused a lot of Altmer-hate, since the race as a whole was strongly associated with the Thalmor. Even before then, I don't think they were liked all that much, though it's hard to say.

Bosmer were always joked about even in the games - Fargoth, the Adoring Fan, all that stuff. They're surprisingly unique from traditional ideas of wood elves, but that can also make them rather off-putting.

>>53538032

That's just autismo entry level fans though. It seems like even in lore threads, people don't like altmer that much. It's a shame because canonically they actually have a lot of interesting shit going for them and they have a cool society.

>>53537839
There's a theory that, because Talos wasn't a thing when Daggerfall was made (for real world reasons, obviously) that when the Warp in the West happened the Underking rejoined with Tiber and this was when his actually apotheosis happened.
There can be two people who became one person but there's still remnants of both.

>>53538417
I don't really know what to say on that point - maybe everyone just assumed they were standard generic elves. And even beyond entry level fans, I feel like the Thalmor idea has tainted the Altmer for a lot of people.

>>53532741
>Daedric Princes are really into theatre and a lot of times, they just play along
>They are just taking advantage of the common peoples beliefs
Have you considered that maybe the way mortals perceive them may have an effect on their appearance.

>>53505101
>they kidnap things up to guars in size and trap them in giant nests made of their feces, for no other reason than that they hate all living beings).
Wait are we talking about the cliff racers or the dwemer slavers ?

>>53538417
I like to play partisan when talking about lore, but that's just because taking a side is fun.

I really enjoy Nordic TES lore, but anybody who let's it blind them to what's happening in the other spectrum is dumb.

It's just fun to shitpost about muh Shor muh Ysgrammor, muh Sovngarde, muh Kyne blah blah blah

Frankly, I really want to see a game set in the Summerset Isles with the Altmer. It'd be like seeing an ancient Falmer society that still breathing.

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owo whats this

>>53539943
Of course I have. That sounds pretty feasible to me.

>>53541523
Propaganda and unintelligible script by the most malevolent being on the mortal plan aka Vivec

>>53542679
Now now. We shouldn't assume. There's a chance there might have been others that were even worse than Vivec somewhere out there!

Reminder the closest a mortal has ever came to Amaramth is Dagoth Ur
>neither zero summed or CHIM
>he instead lives mortality in the dreamsleeve and dreams in the mundus
>he can lucidly affect the mundus without CHIM
>dies at the hands of kagrenac's tools and the heart of lorkhan
>upon awaking in the dreamsleeve he has experienced similar conditions to the tapping of the heart by the tribunal
>likely could have CHIM at this point
>if not he literally has all of eternity to get CHIM, as his dreamsleeve soul can pass through kalpas
>upon getting CHIM dagoth ur is not bound to the mundus like Vehk or Aetherius like Talos/Shezzar
>he is not even bound to oblivion
>upon CHIM he can view the wheels, the towers and the dreamsleeve along with all outside of it, as he is already outside of creation

>>53544962
But he's got that stupid wheel head.

>>53470664
>Why not, I dont know, bees or something?
https://youtu.be/DQQKw3D-mxc

Has anyone played the story in the new Legends expansion?
It's some stuff about the Dark Brotherhood.

>>53521117
Yeah, they seem to be native to Colovia now

>>53548949
I guess it makes sense for ESO? Turkeys were first domesticated in Mexico, and if ESO is sticking with the 'Welcome to the Jungle' style Cyrodiil...

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>>53549188
I'm not certain really. TES in general doesn't have a lot of animals that match up with the climates they'd normally be found it. Like netches being in tropical islands, when in real life they're native to the American midwest and are plains animals.

>>53549325
I'd farm netches if they existed

if you're still gonna post, don't forget to sage

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Ending! Words! ALMSIVI!

woops

>>53552054
>>53552260
we did it reddit

I'm gonna hold keening in my hand, wish me luck

Stop breaking the dragon for fucks sake!

>>53552054
>>53552260
You dumb bimbo.

>>53552839
I'm going to bully Aka.

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Hey guys what's going on here?

ALMSIVI more like AM SMELL VI am I right Nerevar, now bring me Wraithguard so we can keep it away from that handsome guy Dagoth Ur

>>53553524
>t.Wulf

Tall Papa has blessed this thread, and we are gonna make it to the next kalpa.
See you on the other side \tgesg\

>>53555290
let it die goddammit, sage when you post

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Oh great sages, answer me this:

Do you still play any of the Elder Scrolls games? I have a strong love for the Elder Scrolls, but I grow tired of the endless struggle through dungeons searching for increasingly heavier equipment and loot in a Sisyphean struggle. I've tried the UESRPG, but I've had little luck with it, and somehow it's hard to avoid making the world feel a little flat.

Has your love of the lore of the series grown distant from any sort of interaction with the series itself? I want to do more - I should actually play the Oblivion DLCs for once - but it always feels like such a hassle.

>>53556040
I keep starting my Big Modded Skyrim Install, getting halfway through it, losing interest, and having to start again six months later.

I am a patient man, though. I'll play it someday, I'm sure.

>>53484596
Is it possible for a woman to feel sexual pleasure after being raped?

>>53556040
Yeah I still play Morrowind to this day, occasionally Skyrim. I try and play a few other games, too, but mostly I'm just trying to adult and work.

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>>53556318
That's a pretty good question - from what little I know, it seems like women avoid a lot of sexual experiences after rape. May not really have a good answer.

But in general it's never really a fair comparison to make, though. It'd be like going 'After Peryite infects you, all other diseases feel easy.' That's not true - in the moment, a bad headache can feel as bad as the week after wisdom teeth. Memory fades, what is here and now taking precedence over what was.

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>>53556040
I have 700 hours in Skyrim so there's not much to do at this point, I rarely play it.
Been getting more into Morrowind lately as I have only 100 hours and there's still so much to do.
Only 20 hours in Oblivion cause it bores me.

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>>53557167
Sorry to hear Oblivion is boring you man, but I understand. It's got older graphics, it's not mechanically deep as Morrowind (if better than Skyrim), and trading off the dark age Skyrim for the generic fantasy Oblivion might not be your cup of tea.

It's still sad how good at a game it is underneath in some ways, though. NPCs usually have detailed schedules throughout the day or week - sometimes even travelling to other cities once a month. Sometimes you see random thieves in cities that get cut down by guards. It turns out there are named goblin tribes that you can get to war with each other, or kill their shaman to cause them to become peaceful with you. There are some interesting tidbits of lore, such as the lich in Lost Boy Cavern, the rumors about other provinces. The villages are boring, but can have some unique background - the village with the Lovecraft-style cult, a group of Bretons (who swear by Y'ffre) settling in the Nibenay, a fun little quest to help a village of invisible people. I hate how enemies level with me in Oblivion and changes to armor types move too fast, causing me to fall behind if I'm not careful - but it's better than Skyrim, where I'm stuck with iron or steel well into level 20 or so, and I can survive and even thrive with rather basic spells and weapons. So much good about Oblivion has been ignored because it's clunky and ugly and old.

Basically by now I should be in love with Morrowind, but it's yet challenging for me.

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>>53556040
I only love the lore because I enjoy playing the games. It enriches the world in a right way. Makes my character feel small and insignificant which is great.

Every other year I fire up a relatively unmodded Morrowind. Usually with just some tame graphical update, bugfixes and few quests.
Same with Oblivion but with a bit more mods. For example I cannot play it without OOO anymore.

As for Skyrim I mod it up the ass. It can really open up completely different playthroughs. Best way to play it is to completely devote yourself to a set role and install a bunch of mods that restrict you in some way. No fast travel, no quest markers/better journal, basic needs mods, perma-death etc.

taste my muatra
*unzips CHIM*

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Learning Trinimac's relation to Lorkatosh was the best thing to come out of this thread for me. It makes him something I can like for his guilt.

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>>53560465

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>>53560783
Why didn't you sage?

If anyone else was posting at a decent speed, I wouldn't mind just running it up to the end, but we were finally on page 10. Let it fucking die, it'll be back a day after tomorrow.

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This thread is just a huge fuck you to Alduin. Fuck you, you bastard. You will pay for what you have done to Dagon!

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how does this make you feel /tg/?

Can this thread die already?

>>53562883
>how does this make you feel /tg/?
Suicidal.

bump limit's 300 right? let's make this ship sink already

christ, how are we gonna have any discussion topics for tomorrow?

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>>53562930
christ, forgot it's 310
gonna kill this thread while dumping some art

enjoy n'wahs, and see you on the other side

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now you die!

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>>53563194
In some hours, a new one will rise and you will be known as a traitor.

My ancestors are smiling at me, can you say the same?

>>53563282
>in some hours
how about we make the thread on saturday this time, and keep it to just one instead of two?

>>53560664
It's just speculation you know.

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Anyone got this in better quality?

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>>53565380

>>53565217
Well fuck. How can I tell tinfoil hat theories from legitimate ones?

>>53565996
There's nothing tinfoil about speculation. Work it out yourself.