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El Último Tercio Edition

Previous thread: >>53202712

Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.

List of mini providers:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGaaOSvSTqpwPGAvLPY3B5M2WYppDhzXdjwMpqRxo9M/edit

List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R

ZunTsu Gameboxes:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes

/hwg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tghwg/

Games, Ospreys & References folders:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/6jrcg496e7vnb/Avalon%20Hill
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lx05hfgbic6b8/Naval_Wargaming
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
https://mega.nz/#F!ZAoVjbQB!iGfDqfBDpgr0GC-NHg7KFQ
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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Modern Spearhead
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19th May in military history:

639 – Ashina Jiesheshuai and his tribesmen assaulted Emperor Taizong at Jiucheng Palace.
1445 – John II of Castile defeats the Infantes of Aragon at the First Battle of Olmedo.
1542 – The Prome Kingdom falls to the Taungoo Dynasty in present-day Burma.
1643 – Thirty Years' War: French forces under the duc d'Enghien decisively defeat Spanish forces at the Battle of Rocroi, marking the symbolic end of Spain as a dominant land power.
1649 – An Act of Parliament declaring England a Commonwealth is passed by the Long Parliament. England would be a republic for the next eleven years.
1655 – The Invasion of Jamaica begins during the Anglo-Spanish War.
1776 – American Revolutionary War: A Continental Army garrison surrenders in the Battle of The Cedars.
1802 – Napoleon Bonaparte founds the Legion of Honour.
1848 – Mexican–American War: Mexico ratifies the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo thus ending the war and ceding California, Nevada, Utah and parts of four other modern-day U.S. states to the United States for US$15 million.
1919 – Mustafa Kemal Atatürk lands at Samsun on the Anatolian Black Sea coast, initiating what is later termed the Turkish War of Independence.
1934 – Zveno and the Bulgarian Army engineer a coup d'état and install Kimon Georgiev as the new Prime Minister of Bulgaria.
1941 – The Viet Minh, a communist coalition, formed at Cao Bằng, Vietnam.
1942 – World War II: In the aftermath of the Battle of the Coral Sea, Task Force 16 heads to Pearl Harbor.
1959 – The North Vietnamese Army establishes Group 559, whose responsibility is to determine how to maintain supply lines to South Vietnam; the resulting route is the Ho Chi Minh trail.
1991 – Croatians vote for independence in a referendum.
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It is 374 years since the Battle of Rocroi, which resulted in the victory of a French army under the Duc d'Enghien against the Spanish Army under General Francisco de Melo only five days after the accession of Louis XIV to the throne of France. Occuring late in the Thirty Years' War, the battle is considered by many to be the turning point of the perceived invincibility of the Spanish tercio.

The Habsburg Spanish army of about 27,000 men advanced from Flanders, through the Ardennes, and into northern France to relieve French pressure on the Franche-Comté and Catalonia. The Spanish troops set siege to Rocroi, which lay athwart the route to the valley of the Oise. The French, under the command of 21-year-old Louis, duc d'Enghien, reacted quickly and forced a battle before the arrival of 6,000 Spanish reinforcements. The Spanish failed to block the route to Rocroi, which passed through a defile bordered by woods and marsh. Enghien advanced through the defile and assembled his force along a ridge looking down on the besieged town of Rocroi. The Spanish quickly formed up between the town and the ridge. The French army, some 23,000 strong, was arranged with two lines of infantry in the center, squadrons of cavalry on each wing and with a thin line of artillery at the front. The Spanish army was similarly arranged, but with its infantry in their traditional tercios, or squares. The two armies bivouacked in their positions for the night.

At dawn the French army attacked, but the French infantry in the centre were bested by the Spanish. The cavalry on the French left, advancing against Enghien's orders, was also thrown back. But the cavalry on the French right, under the command of Jean de Gassion, routed the Spanish cavalry opposite. Enghien was able to follow this up by attacking the exposed left flank of the Spanish infantry. Spanish cavalry made a successful counter-attack to drive off the French cavalry, but were checked by the advance of the French reserve.
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>>53305335
Enghien now carried out a huge cavalry encirclement, sweeping behind the Spanish army and smashing his way through to attack the rear of the Spanish cavalry, which was still in combat with his reserves. The Spanish horse was put to flight, leaving the Spanish infantry to carry on the fight. The French were twice repulsed by the stubborn Spanish squares, so Enghien arranged for his artillery and captured Spanish guns to blast them apart.

The German and Walloon tercios fled from the battlefield, while the Spanish remained on the field with their commander, repulsing four cavalry charges by the French and never breaking formation, despite repeated heavy artillery bombardment. Enghien then offered surrender conditions just like those obtained by a besieged garrison in a fortress. Having agreed to those terms, the remains of the two tercios left the field with deployed flags and weapons.

The total Spanish losses were about 7,000 dead, wounded, or captured. French losses were about 4,000.

The battle was an important personal victory for Mazarin, and established the reputation of the French general Enghien, the future "Grand Condé", but the Spanish were able to rapidly regroup and stabilize their positions. Despite this, the battle was of great symbolic importance because of the high reputation of the Army of Flanders. The French victory at Rocroi marked the first time the Spanish had been defeated in a major land battle in nearly a century. Though they had failed to crack, the battle also marked the beginning of the end for the Spanish tercio as a favored fighting formation. After Rocroi and the Battle of the Dunes (1658), armies began shifting to more linear formations.
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>>53305359
The sedan chair belonging to the elderly Spanish infantry general Fontaines (who was from the Spanish Netherlands - now Belgium - and was known to the Spanish as Fuentes) was taken as a trophy by the French and may be seen in the museum of Les Invalides in Paris. Fontaines was killed in the battle; Enghien is reported to have said, "Had I not won the day I wish I had died like him".

Rocroi is a must-play battle of this era. Both sides have a varied and colorful array of troops, the outcome is not set in stone, and it represents a major shift in the military thinking of the time. After Rocroi, shot would begin to dominate pike, and the sun was about to set on the Spanish Empire.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/d6zjpu68z2cc8z6/Osprey+-+ELI+179+-+Pike+and+Shot+Tactics+1590-1660.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1u3u9u2gj6jcnmt/Osprey+-+MAA+203+-+Louis+XIV%27s+Army.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/p4me9gtghge5dn1/Osprey+-+MAA+457+-+Imperial+Armies+of+the+Thirty+Years%27+War+%281%29+Infantry+%26+Artillery.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4ypsjlbdia40ll5/Osprey+-+MAA+462+-+Imperial+Armies+of+the+Thirty+Years%27+War+%282%29+Cavalry.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/94ar1t1a33l53k7/Osprey+-+MAA+481+-+Spanish+Tercios+1536-1704.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/0h6trehep2n5hp0/Osprey+-+MAA+510+-+Dutch+Armies+of+the+80+Years+War+1568-1648+%281%29+Infantry.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/z6gyll46uom5ym5/Osprey+-+WAR+168+-+French+Musketeer+1622-1775.pdf
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First for graveyard autism.
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>>53304526
It tells me that it's "delivered via spamfilter service", no idea what that means lel. But yeah check tomorrow morning, I'll try sending from hotmail if it's still not there.
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>>53305315
>>53305454

Well, those graveyards don't make sense either, and I don't think they exist. Probably photoshop.
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>>53306006
Well, I think YOU are photoshop!
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>>53308501
Wow, he's a big guy
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>>53308516
For thou
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>>53308516
For you
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>>53306006
There's a difference between a church graveyard/ old family plot and a commercial cemetery. It tends to show in groundskeeping and layout.
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>pike and shotte

Oh the Era I so want to play but can't due lack of interest from my friends...
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>>53309032
My gaming buddies have as much interest in historicals as much fucks I give if I'll have a gaming partner.

Just do solo gaming if nothing else comes around.
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>>53305335
Tercios a shit.
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>>53310760
UR SHIT!!!111!!!!11!!
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>>53310927
>naming your army after a territory you don't even own anymore
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I love bolt action
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Are there any adjustments needed to play Bolt Action in 1/72 scale?
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>>53305335
>>53305382
>>53305359
It seems to me, after reading a few books on the subject, that many of the battles of the 30 Years Wars (if Rocroi is even technically part of that), were played up to be decisive in some way or another, when really there wasn't a single decisive battle in the entire thing, hence why it lasted for 30 years and just kind of petered out as the combatants went bankrupt.
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>>53311731
Pretty much. Many of the battles had the potential to be decisive, but the counter-actions of skilled and seriously unskilled leaders following battles which would have seen one side lose (like the multiple times the road to Vienna was pretty much open or when notable commanders got killed) prevented it.
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>>53311888
Which isn't to say that there weren't large or interesting battles, just that none of them decided much of anything.

Except possibly Lutzen. Assuming that Adolphus wanted to usurp the Imperial throne, which he might not have.
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Honestly the 30 Years' War, for all its importance both politcally, culturally and historically, was an overwhelmingly pointless war that seemed to repeatdly have no real objectives.
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>>53312432
Gave us the concept of a nation state though, which is nice I guess.
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>>53312432
>the 30 Years' War
You can replace this with a lot of wars, and that sentence will still make sense.
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>>53312432
Well, there was the objective of neither side wanting to lose in order to not to have their enemy's conditions imposed upon them. And the whole Catholicism vs Protestantism thing which was a genuine concern.

But yeah, it's the kind of war that normally would have ended maybe 20 years earlier but successive interventions by other 'powers' got in the way of internal fighting.
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>>53312432
Well the Imperial objectives were consistent and clear: put down open rebellion (successful) and drive the invaders out of Germany (not successful).
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>>53305499
Yeah still nothing mate, just send it from a regular email. Its strange that it wouldn't even show up in my junk folder... I double checked the address I provided and it is correct.
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>>53311731
Out of curiosity, what's your reading list for it?
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>>53311388

Not needed per se. You can adjust ranges and move distances or not, some people like that the distances "feel" longer with smaller figures.

base size doesn't matter, especially if your terrain is scaled to 1/72
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>>53312955
Probably something to do with Microsoft's """intelligent""" methods of fighting spam. I just sent it through Hotmail.
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>>53313717
Some years ago I read the classic Thirty Years War by C.V. Wedgewood, which got me interested in the subject. More recently I read Europe's Tragedy, which is a more modern book and also great. There aren't exactly mountains of books in English about the war in which England basically did little to nothing.
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>>53311388
1/72 scale will make the weirdly short ranges in Bolt Action feel more accurate for what those weapons were actually capable of.
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>>53316392

3mm would be better.
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>>53316406
Yeah but who can be assed to move individual 3mm infantry?
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>>53316438

Anyone who cares about making their mini scale and table scale reasonably accurate? You know, real wargamers?
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>>53316465
Pretty sure there are simulationist games for that already and you shouldn't try to force Bolt Action to be what it's not.

Inb4 that guy shows up again and tries to force the "warhamster" meme some more.
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>>53316465
>muh gate keeping
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>>53316465
Ha ha, I observe what you are doing there.
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>>53316465
If you don't play Kriegspiel and wear an appropriate Prussian uniform the whole time you aren't a real wargamer.
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I'm looking at buying a company of British paras from PSC. Does anyone know if their boxes come with bases? I see it in the description on some things, but not others - however the Brit paras were redone fairly recently.
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>>53316530
What scale and manufacturer?
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>>53317139
2mm and I don't know.
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>>53316515
>Inb4 that guy shows up again and tries to force the "warhamster" meme some more.

it's no a meme and no one is forcing it.

It's an apt term for a mediocre set of rules and people have been using it longer than you've been alive. Learn to live with it.
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>>53317413
it's basically the micro$hit of wargaming, grow up
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>>53316530
>>53317139
>>53317230
Irregular. http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/indexes/2mmindex.htm

People need to make more 3mm - 2mm is blobs, 3mm has definition.
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>>53316465
>he doesn't use grains of sand glued to balsa wood to represent his troops
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>>53316465
Oh, just fuck off.
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>>53316977
AFAIK; no bases.
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Finished of the first batch of Mujahideen for Hind & Seek.

Album of close-ups here:
http://imgur.com/a/sZsVh

Everything looks worse so close with bright lighting (camera often an inch away from the miniatures), but certainly at gaming distance they will be passable.
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Anyone else waiting for their Operation Sea Lion book to arrive? I'm pretty hyped.
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>>53319789
Not really as I have absolutely no interest in the scenario of Germany entering Britain.

I'm kinda sad Warlord went down this way.
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>>53319800
It's just a fun little What if? scenario where you can do some fun Early War shennanigans. They've already covered most of the major theaters/battles at this point so whats the harm in covering some alternate historical scenarios. I wouldn't mind seeing an Allied invasion of Japan or something similar down the road.
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>>53319291
I've got their box of 15mm Early War Germans - there are no bases in the box, but each (standing) guy has an integral base of about 10mm.
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>>53320084
>They've already covered most of the major theaters/battles
Do they have any Chinese scenarios?
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>>53320151
This.
https://youtu.be/mawtu5dme4U?t=5m32s

>>53316465
>>"reasonably accurate scale"
Max firing range MG42
- 4700m
Effective range (probably half)
- 4700m/2 = 2350m
Let's take ground scale 2mm -> 2m (2mm mini scale is even smaller than that)
- 2350m / 2m * 2mm = 2350mm

So the effective combat range of a MG42 on your table is 2,35m or 7'8.
If you wanna make your ground scale "reasonably accurate", everything is pretty much always in range of everything else (except hand grenades). Very few wargames do this (they exist, though).

This has been discussed before and it still stands - most (WW1+) wargames can't be reasonably played with real ground scale.

>>53317413
>>"warhamster"
Actually the sound reminds me more of Warmaster.
Also I can't see how a hamster "aptly" describes your critique of the game.
Also I'm the same age as Warhammer Fantasy, so I doubt anyone used it long before that.
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>>53322239
I first saw Warhamster in the VIZ comic about GW. I think that blokes a yank though so I doubt it comes from there.

it's still an awful term.
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>>53322239
I always love how everyone assumes that EVERY firefight was fought at "effective range", nobody went closer to one another, and they just shot each other at 2000 meters, thus no range is accurate and 4'x6' tables are absolutely haram.

And while it was said that your eyes get quickly used to it, I'm still not sure how you could shoot accurately with an MG42 at 2k meters without any kind of scope...
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>>53322480
I read somewhere that most modern firearm combat occurs at 15m or less, but I'm not sure if that included war or was in civilian contexts only.
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>>53320344

That's what their pacific war books covers. Covers the American involvement and the Chinese theater.
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>>53322556

I read something about 200m - except on a plain, open field where it's something like 300m.

I mean, seriously, to hit something at 2000m you need a freakin' scope.
Ever seen a MG42 with a freakin' scope? Me either.
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>Ever seen a MG42 with a freakin' scope?
That's because they used tripods!
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>>53322766
>>53322707
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>>53317413
force warhamster?

I first played warhammer fantasy back when 2nd edition was released in the states. people were calling it warhamster back then. so not sure what force is being applied
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>>53322707
Besides scopes German tripods also had automatic traverse & elevate mechanisms for long ranges.
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>>53319789

Same mine is on its way. Gonna do a demo force for it and can't decide on the armies. Thinking about say early war free french with a Char 2C vs. say some invading germans but that doesn't seem very sea lion worthy. Think it's gonna be homeguard vs. BUF Traitors.
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>>53322707
>Ever seen a MG42 with a freakin' scope? Me either.

Time to read a few books about ww2 weapons i guess..
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>>53322707
>>53322966
>>53322766
Even if the MG did not have a scope, all MG crews were supplied with bino's, so the spotter could tell the gunner if he needs to adjust his aim.

How the fuck do you think naval guns work? They don't have scopes either.
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>>53320344
Empire in Flames does have rules for three different flavors of Chinese armies. They don't produce any Chinese models uncortunately but other companies do.
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>>53322239
>"warhamster"
>Actually the sound reminds me more of Warmaster.

You're not alone. Have a relic of ye olde interbutt.
Also I fail to see warhamster as an insult because hampsters are pretty cool. Or cute at least. I mean they're not as good as guinea pigs but they're better than mice. /hottakes

Warmaster was pretty cool. Damn thing died locally before I even got an army going. Still got some empire halberdiers in their original packaging. Warmaster Historical never even started to take off here but I heard it fixed a bunch of little problems Warmaster had and was generally well received.
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>>53319538
Saw those on TMP while taking a break from watching the current meltdown, looking good except for the yellow filter.

You tried white-balancing that with a sheet of paper? Also: post AARs and thoughts please.
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>>53322707
>Ever seen a MG42 with a freakin' scope? Me either.
Reminder that machine guns are usually team weapons.

And that a lot of them used to have sights marked up for indirect plunging fire.
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>>53324126
>because hampsters are pretty cool. Or cute at least. I mean they're not as good as guinea pigs

Them's fighting words, Hamsters are in all ways superior to those fucking pigs.
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>>53324552
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Anyone has the Pony Wars ruleset?
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Anyone have a scan of Osprey MAA 424: The Chinese Army 1937-1949? Thinking about building a circa 1937 Chinese Army for some homebrew rules.
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>>53326397
Chinese Civil War armies is in the OP mediafires - covers 1911 to 1949

1937 is a fun period to game in China
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>>53325241

Nice photoshop. Warhamster was never a real thing and will never be a real thing. Stop lying.
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>>53324188
>Yellow filter
There isn't any filter, I assume its just from the yellow cardboard they're photographed on?

Without the yellow background they look kind of bland, like in this size comparison picture of the Soviets
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>>53322707
Then in 28mm scale are 3 meters and half of table. I think that range of some weapons is a bit weird.
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>>53326594
Kovalic repeatedly made warhamster jokes in his Dork Tower comics for years and years.
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>>53326625
I see what he means, the white balance in your pictures is off. You can see the white of the can and monitor logos are slightly sepia tinted. If you take a picture in front of a sheet of white paper and then use a photo editor (like GIMP) to correct the white balance then you'll get a better representation of what the figures actually look like.

I think they're very nice by the way, I need to get into to smaller scales.
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>increase the price of the kit by $9
>decrease the number of models by 14
Are Warlord the GW of historicals?
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>>53327648
Yes.
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>>53327648
Yeah.
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>>53327648
Shit like this is why I bought 1/72 miniatures instead of Warlord's. They are way too pricey! GW is the company in which I spend most of my money and I'm not made of money.
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>>53326591
>1937 is a fun period to game in China

Remember to bring your stick grenades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw0kg2GWVHo
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>>53305335
>It is 374 years since the Battle of Rocroi,
>>53305335

Have any anons here seen the movie "Alatriste" and is it worth tracking down?
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>>53328321
Yeah, it's enjoyable, but the book was better as it didn't have to fit into a movie's length. Some parts felt rushed.
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>>53316669
I play Kriegspiel dressed up like a Piedmontian officer (thanks greatgrandfather for being in the Bersaglieri, that hat is sick) and play exclusively armies of the Italian peninsula.

I'm probably not a real wargamer.
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>>53328431
>Yeah, it's enjoyable, but the book was better as it didn't have to fit into a movie's length. Some parts felt rushed.

I've read the books and enjoyed them. Having read the books, I'm not expecting much from the movie other than the Rocroi battle scenes.

Thanks for the "review", I'll definitely track it down now.
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>>53329177
It takes place at the end, if that was Rocroi...been a while since I watched/read it, but the battle scenes were nice, albeit not the main focus for the most part. Lot of talking between the main characters as per the book.
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>>53329233
>Lot of talking between the main characters as per the book.

That's one of the reasons I enjoyed the book series. I also know that lots of talking usually makes for a dull movie!
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>>53327648
>Are Warlord the GW of historicals?
>6 minis for $20
I might as well splurge on Steel Fist samurai.
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>>53329892
Or Perry.

I'd much rather go with Perry. Somehow I don't feel comfortable with the prices of Steel Fist, doesn't matter how good they look.
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>>53325478
I never knew about this before. I'm kinda curious now.
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>>53329909
>I'd much rather go with Perry.
Dunno if they ever replaced the molds for the range,I've read some complaints about recent casts.

>Somehow I don't feel comfortable with the prices of Steel Fist, doesn't matter how good they look.
Yea,I bought mine during the kickstarter for a discount.
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>>53311064
What do you love about it most?
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>>53326594
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>>53330633
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>>53330653
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>Find a bolt action player who lives in the same town as me
>last activity: 2013
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>>53330672
>deathwankers
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>>53330672
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>>53330693
>bolt action is hard to find
???
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>>53330740
I'm going to be honest, I have no idea where to start looking.

Anyone here from Kent UK?
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>>53330755
Try looking for a facebook group, a lot of clubs organize through that.
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>>53330755
Just google 'Wargaming club [nearest biggish town]'
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>>53330717
>>53330672
>>53330653
>2011 & 2012
>>53330633
>???
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>>53327648
Absolutely. At least they still recognize that other miniatures companies exist.

>>53329892
They want $20 for what appears to be mostly WGF samurai with metal heads?

>>53329983
Yeah, the Perry Samurai I've bought within the last year have been a little rough. Nothing some
filing and scraping can't fix though.

Someday I'll convince myself that I need some Steel Fist.
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>>53331586
Everything in ToH seems to be from the WGF rising sun line.
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>>53330886
I googled this to sarcastically post accurate numbers on how many there indeed were and point out that all they did was GW stuff.

Turns out there is indeed one in my immediate vicinity (well, out of 8 or so) that was founded in recent years and actually plays other stuff as well. They listed Bolt Action, FoW and one game I didn't even know. I was very suprised!

So: Sorry for doubting you, anon (or rather the tabletop gamers in my area).
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>>53331745
Yeah, which is a real shame since the WGF line was pretty weak, but great for building large armies.
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>>53327648

I don't understand why they don't just sell the heads and the metal characters on their own and then sell the plastic kits 20 to a box for £20 like they do with the Samurai.

No one in their right mind is going to pay £2 less for 12 less figures for the sake of a few metal parts.

Is the game actually any good? I wouldn't mind a light Samurai game and everyone at my club has decided they don't like Ronin (I've not played it).
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>>53331586
>They want $20 for what appears to be mostly WGF samurai with metal heads?
To be fair I've cherrypicked the most egregious example. That still doesn't justify the price increase as well as the loss of models per pack.

>Yeah, the Perry Samurai I've bought within the last year have been a little rough. Nothing some
filing and scraping can't fix though.
Fair enough,I'm thinking of picking up some Perry Choson Koreans and maybe the Ming(http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=84196.0) if it ever comes to fruition.

>Someday I'll convince myself that I need some Steel Fist.
Steel Fist is nice for a centerpiece or some bodyguards but I'm wary of buying in bulk for the rank and file(their cavalry sculpts are noticeably larger as well).
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>>53326397
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4zhff368asxzbeo/Osprey+-+MAA+424+-+The+Chinese+Army+1937-49.pdf
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>>53326397
Osprey's "A World Aflame" ruleset might have what you want. It's focused on Spanish Civil War but, same basic timespan.
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>>53331819
It sold out. I guess it's an okay game at the very least.
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Was anyone able to find a line to a copy of the Skirmish Afrika book? Guys talking about it last thread got me real curious to have a read of it.
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Warlord's Ruined Farmhouse. I like how the snow came out (paint elmer's glue on and then sprinkle with baking soda, shake off extra) but I don't like the plaster, because it just looks like I shittily painted on snow.
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>>53332018
You have made my smile and my triforce that much brighter!
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Where does /hwg/ go for 28mm WW2? Warlord's pricing is starting to mimic GW.
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>>53336185
I never understood playing WW2 at 28mm unless small skirmishes. 1/72 is master race for cheapness. The only 28mm manufacturers I can think of for WW2 will be metal casts and likely more expensive than warlords plastic
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>>53333341
sweet, it would make a perfect fit for my snow themed army
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>>53336185
Foundry and Artizan would be the other choices but they're certainly not cheap either
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>>53336185
> Warlord's pricing is starting to mimic GW.

What are you talking about?

Their prices for ww2 stuff hasn't changed at all.

a box of plastics costs 26
a squad of 10 metals costs 15
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>>53336415
I was really confused until I realized you meant pounds.Thought I was getting shafted.
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>>53332459
I think it's like Frostgrave - you hop on the hype train and try not to care about its faults.
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>>53316669
Only people who play early style Kriegspiel are real wargamers. This "let a referee adjudicate situations to save time" nonsense cannot stand.
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>>53322556
Modern combat in Europe took place mostly less than a few hundred meters apart, hence why full sized rifles kept getting scaled down more and more until you got SMGs and eventually assault rifles.

Then America started a bunch of wars in the Middle East where the engagement distances are often 500+ meters and now we want full sized cartridges again.

Terrain matters a lot it turns out.
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>>53336748
Nah. Warlord just decided to rerelease the WGF stuff with the prices jacked up a bit, which is reasonable, and since they were doing the line they slapped on a quick little game.

They were then legitimately surprised when it sold the fuck out and people really wanted a samurai skirmish game. The game was an afterthought, they weren't expecting anything like the success they got, and IIRC they're working on making the game more than a quick get-you-by skirmish affair now.
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>>53336612
No, its just the prices directly from their website. I was to lazy to convert them into € or $.
Still, they haven't changed for a long time now.

In fact, their recently released russian tanks (IS-2 and KV-1/2) which come with a sprue of infantry cost just as much as their older plastic tanks despite offering quite some more value.
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>>53333341
Good work anon
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>>53336415
Confirmed that the buy bitching about prices is a poorfag. Also you can get a lot of shit on eBay used and clean it up or buy in pounds and take advantage of favorable conversion rate
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>>53318781
>he bases his sand on balsa wood, which when taking scale into account raises his troops 30 feet off the ground
>>53326625
Who makes those infantry lad? Are they H&R?
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>>53339948
True patricians base their models on monatomically-thick sheets of graphene.
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Hey /HWG/, I'm making a campaign for my players and I need you help and suggestions for what else I might need.
This is what I have so far:

- group of treasure hunters from HRE go to Egypt to rescue artifacts, fighting Muslims, pagans, undead crusaders, and the mystical remains of Ptolemaic/Roman/ Middle Kingdom Egypt
* separate French team also searching/working with ottomans
* timeframe: 15-1600s
* early gunpowder era
* Egyptian rebels v. Ottoman Rulers
* if time period is post Protestant reformation: have team split between Catholic and Protestant Germans
* who hires the group?
> group hired by German prince (specific state? Elector?)
> group hired by collector from new rich class in the HRE
> group hired by Italian Renaissance banker
* artifact ideas
> bones of a saint
> saintly artifact
> ancient scrolls from the apostles
> ancient roman eagle
> ancient Egyptian artwork
> ancient Egyptian manuscripts
> Roman treasure trove

Most of this is just throwing stuff on the wall and seeing if it sticks, but I'd appreciate anything I could add to the overall experience.
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>>53340231
sounds like a great idea.
Undead crusaders and other supernatural stuff is not really my cup of tea, but a classical "adventure" plot might be interesting enough on its own.
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>>53340231
>no prepuce
your artifact stock is depressingly limited.
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>charge a unit of battered militia who cannot roll a single dice to defend themselves
>draw combat anyway
pretty much sums up my game yesterday. If the British generals were anything like me yesterday it's no wonder we lost the colonies.
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Do the Conquest Games Normans work for Saga at all? I read a battle report where some of them were used, but I am not certain that they are the right era.
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>>53343906
Why wouldn't they?
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>>53343924
It doesn't look like any come with crossbows and their helmets look out of place. Overall there is not a huge reason, I just wanted to make sure.
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>>53340231
>> group hired by German prince (specific state? Elector?)

Elector Maximilian(?) of Saxony (early 1500s, iirc he gave sanctuary to Martin Luther although remaining a Catholic) was a notorious collector of exotic goods ranging from artifacts to experimental firearms, astronomical instruments, and religious relics and texts

>Saintly relics
Generally would lend more towards Catholics, but early Lutherans were a pretty varied bunch theologically. Fairly unlikely that a mixed group would get along until after the TYW unless they were not very religious. The movie The Last Valley does a good job of showing how a mixed company, even of bloodthirsty rapacious mercenaries, would still be prone to fracture along sectarian lines in many situations, even when signing on requires an explicit pledge to leave religious differences at the door.

You would generally be more likely to see a multinational group belonging to the same sect than a mononational group of multiple sects. That said, moving toward the TYW, after most of the more radical Lutherans joined the Calvinists, Lutherans and moderate Catholics tended to align together in opposition to both radical Catholics and Calvinists (Catholic French aligned with Lutheran Swedes against Catholic Austrians/Spanish/Bavarians on behalf of Calvinists Germans and Dutch with Lutheran Saxons and Brandenburgers caught in the middle and shifting allegiance as necessary).

In the 1500s though the general rule of thumb was Catholics and Lutherans hate each other, but both hate Calvinists even more, and all three execute Anabaptists on sight, whilst the Anglicans float between Lutheran/moderate (High Church) and Calvinist/radical (Low church/Puritan) doctrine and political alignment (hating Catholics either way, though).
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>>53344043

They're the right era, just poorly designed desu, especially for saga. If you can get your hands on crossbows from somewhere else you can kitbash them, of you only need 10 or so crossbowmen and don't want Spearmen you may as well just get metal figures
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>>53344235
Are they poorly designed for Saga in that they don't have weapon options that you would want? Thanks for the advice, I will probably just grab the knights and get crossbowmen from Crusader Miniatures or something.
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>>53344200
>Elector Maximilian(?) of Saxony

Are you thinking of Frederick III?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_III,_Elector_of_Saxony
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>>53322587
OSS detachments with mountain peoples? Commie and nationalist chinese warbands? Korean and burma and india/siam regional fighting? Does it have early war russo/jap fighting, where zukohv made a name for himself?

Ive heard the term "chinese theater" before but never really seen it. How much are we talking here?
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>>53344827
I don't have the pacific book but Khalkhin Gol/Nomonhan is in the Ostfront book.
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>>53344827
it's in the mega. Well worth checking out
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>>53339948
Yep they're all H&R. Mujahideen too.
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>>53344269

Yes, thanks
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>>53344253
>>Are they poorly designed for Saga in that they don't have weapon options that you would want?

I personally don't care for the sculpts, I've never run normans in saga but the conventional wisdom seems to be that you only want infantry as crossbowmen if at all, and spearmen are not worth the points. I think they are fairly historically appropriate, including the neat touch of one head with a "Norman" hair cut, although some take issue with their wearing too much chainmail. Also I think somewhat limited number of head variants.

Price is a plus, but not if you only need fewer than 20 anyway (44 to a box). If you want to use Fireforge footmen, keep in mind that the Normans didn't really use the kettle hat in SAGA time frame as far as I know
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>>53346338
I thought about Fireforge, and may try to use their figures for mounted sergeants and crossbowmen. Thanks for the tip about the helments, I may swap those out for GBP heads then.
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Anybody here have good art references for Byzantine soldiers from the 13th century, and soldiers of the various split-off kingdoms before the Empire reformed, like the Despotate of Epirus? Been trying to find something along these lines, and Google's not as helpful as I hoped.
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>>53346429

oh i misread your post, somehow when i saw "crusader" i thought "fireforge"

crusader aren't bad for the metal route

I thought perry made explicit normans but I guess it's just people using their crusader crossbowmen as normans
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>>53347148
Considering the "Franks" of the First Crusade were Normans (only 30 some years removed from the Battle of Hastings), the Perry First Crusade Line will work for Normans.

You just have to be careful of the Arabized knights, since those are more tied to the crusade/Normans in Sicily
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Finished our large playtest of Hind & Seek. probably should have started smaller, but we decided to go all in and do a large battle. Flowed fairly well, and each turn was jam-packed full of action. Took a few notes but mostly its all working well, just some clarifications to add in.

Full AAR with more pictures here:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=454218

It was a Soviet search and destroy mission, conducted with audacity and textbook efficiency, and while the Mujahideen put up stiff resistance (being alerted to the soviet plans by their extensive training and preparations), air blocking elements and bronegruppa tactics of having BTRs supporting dismounted infantry from long range proved highly effective. Even the loss of the Hind to Stinger missiles didn't stop the soviets from eventually completing their objective and causing huge casualties to the Mujahideen. The were some soviet losses, with 3 BTRs destroyed, a T-62 destroyed, and the Hind along with around 20 casualties, but the majority of the force survived. Meanwhile the Mujahideen suffered heavy casualties, and were unable to escape the battle, as flanking T-62s and infantry blocked one side, while the Soviet air blocking element (likely Mi-8s flying patrols) blocked the other side. A block and sweep perfectly executed by the Soviets, and a resounding success, clearing the village (although also air-dropping AP mines all over it). Mujahideen returned the following week though, and the reputation loss for engaging targets near civilians and AP mining the village severely hurt soviet support in the area.
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>>53330693
Kind of is outside a major city. I live in my state's capital and it took me a few weeks to track down the historical wargaming guys.
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Bolt Action: Campaign: Sea Lion

The year is 1940, and the German invasion of Britain has begun. With this new campaign book for Bolt Action, players can fight the battles of World War II's greatest ‘what if' scenario. Defend the cliffs of Dover and the beaches of Kent from wave after wave of German landing craft. Parachute into the Home Counties in a surgical strike to capture Winston Churchill. Rally the Home Guard in a last, desperate attempt to keep England free of the Nazi invaders! Containing new rules, scenarios, and unit types covering all of the unique features of this alternate history campaign, it offers a chance for all Bolt Action players to truly rewrite the history of World War II.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/s35jgh634z6gaxw/Bolt+Action+-+Sea+Lion.pdf
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>>53352988
Thanks kind Anon!
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>>53352988
As someone without a western front army for BA, I'm sick of hearing about that bloody book :(
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>>53352988
The presented scenario is basically that the Germans magically arrive in Britain while the Royal Navy is off... somewhere... doing something, and make their crossing reasonably well. Things go wrong because they're a disorganised mess, but ironically this helps them avoid the RAF and land safely! also the hood explodes, the RN sink fucking everything, and then er run away to "regroup" because they haven't heard that there was an actual invasion.

D-Day +15: "Wehrmacht infantry took the opportunity to disarm the Waffen-SS by force, freeing the hostages and thus ensuring their own safe passage to a comfortable Canadian POW camp. Most of the Waffen-SSS were unfortunately later shot trying to escape.

"Taking the hint, the German commanders at Dover and Folkstone sent radio communications to Oberkommando der Wehrmacht promising to fight to the last man and bullet – then quietly surrendered."

Over two weeks is a pretty impressive invasion. There's a ridiculous amount of handwaving, but it's all just an excuse to get silly militia units out, complete with... archers.

>WOMEN’S FEDERATION TOXOPHILITE CLUB PATROL
>The Women’s Federation was formed in 1916 to revitalise rural communities
>decimated by the conscription of young men and to encourage countrywomen
>to produce food for the war effort. After World War I the WF expanded into
>encouraging all sorts of traditional rural crafts and activities, including toxophily
>(archery) under the umbrella of the Grand National Archery Society. Strenuous
>efforts were made to keep women out of the LDV and Home Guard, or at least
>restrict them to traditional roles (presumably on the basis that allowing women
>into combat units could make warfare really unpleasant). By ‘traditional role’,
>the chaps probably meant tea making and sowing on badges but they
>overlooked the fact that toxophily is a traditional English craft.

Their support teams have fire arrows. holy shit.
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>>53353853
also you sew on badges, lazy editor, not sow.
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>>53353853
ok I looked up the weapon description and by fire arrows they mean arrows with plastic explosives attached, for a short range but a limited anti-armour capability.

this fucking book. I am in love.
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>>53353853
I've discovered a couple of things I like. I'm pleased at well it could work as a VBCW guide for Bolt Action, for one thing. The inclusion of BUF and London Gangster army lists is great, not to mention Dad's Army. And I'm chuffed they list the Canadian and NZ forces stationed in England at the time and include them as options. Also, Churchill and Peter Fleming as heroes!
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>>53353906
>I'm pleased at well it could work as a VBCW guide for Bolt Action, for one thing.
That's the impression I got - it's got the seelowe name for attracting people who like nazis, but mechanically it's more of a guide to interwar shenanigans.
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>>53354044
I mean, not that I'm likely to play it any time soon. Not a bolt action fan really. But good for them.
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>>53326591
What figures are these? I'd really like to collect the period but have only found warlords book with Chinese army lists and sadly they don't sell the figures. Buildings here look great too. How were they done ?
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>>53332018
Thank you very much!
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Cute wargaming trees.

https://tonystoysoldiers.blogspot.co.nz/2017/03/if-you-go-down-to-woods-today.html

MDF trees made for genealogy apparently? glued to bases with triangular offcuts for support, they look pretty cool and stylish to me. This guy's doing them for 54mm stuff, but has some other neat little ideas on the blog, like...
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>>53354387
...this kind of adorable little 15mm skirmish tray, done up with felt on the borders and used for sf but there are plenty of historical ways to do it

https://tonystoysoldiers.blogspot.co.nz/2017/02/now-whats-he-up-to.html
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>>53352988
Thanks anon
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>>53354099
I think they are 1/72 plastics, if you want 28mm you only have brigade games, reiver castings ( they look better in person) & copplestone.
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I bought the new version of Disposable Heroes the other week, but I'm mainly interested in VBCW and Battle of France. Are the old PDF army lists still good for the new version? Also, were there any rules for shotguns?
Thanks
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>>53346338
iirc that hairstyle was so the hair at the back of the head didnt get caught or tangled in their armour. correct?
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>>53354947

Yes. Old books are compatible.

No, no rules for shotguns as far as I remember.
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>>53355094
Yeah. Mail is a real bitch for catching hair and tearing it out.
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>>53355094
I've also heard that it was to reduce head lice.
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>>53355094
>>53355416
Aren't you supposed to wear a linnen headpiece in between the mail and your head?
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>>53356045
Yes. But it's not a magic shield for your hair.
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>>53355291
Great, thanks.

Do you reckon that half range rifles with 8/2 or something would be acceptable?
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I've been messing around with some New World-type stuff for Chevauchee and knocked some rules together using bits and pieces from the base game and fantasy expansion. I'll run a few games using this stuff if I get time next week.
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>>53356045
yeah but hair gets everywhere lol I've got long hair and its always catching in the closed zip on the collar of my jacket.

>>53355448
also makes sense. I read somewhere long hair was a status symbol cause it meant you could grow it long cause it wasnt getting caught in mud and getting infested with lice cause you didnt have to work for a living
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>>53353853
No amount of facepalms are in the word to show me what I think about this expansion.
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>>53355094
Not really it was a fashion statement. A generation later the Normans were wearing long hair and beards.

>>53355416
Repro mail is, actual historical mail is far better due to smaller rings/denser weaves, smoother rivets and the links being fatter. One day I will pony up and buy a segment of properly done mail as a display item.
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>>53357410
>>53353853
At least they're up front about it...
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>>53354099
The infantry are Caesar, Vickers mark E are Unimodel (although I wouldn't really recommend those kits...unless you like photo-etched parts and using 2 different types of glue).
The field guns are scratch built, often from WW1 horse artillery sets. The SDK is airfix, and the mortar teams are a mix of soviet and german DAK. DAK work surprisingly well for Chinese, as they have soft caps.

And yes they're all 1/72.
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>>53352988
Anyone know where to get 28mm Royal Navy troops? The only manufacturer I can find went out of business like 4 years ago.
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So we can take pillboxes as part of our lists now. This is a game changer.
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>>53358875
Update: Assembled all the rules for generic defenses found in Sealion for quick reference
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>>53353853
Ahahahaha this is glorious shit. They better have at least one model doing *that* V-sign.
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I'm sure someone here is just itching to see Churchill's rules.
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God I really do hope warlord does the korean war as supplement for bolt action.
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Question about Battlegroup rules - if you take additional tank, does it attacch to the platoon or company of the same tanks or it operates as individual unit?
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>>53354420
What size it is?
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>>53360716
by eye I see it as about 24"x18"
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Just finished 100 peninsula war brits and I feel like I'm going blind
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>>53360814
post them.
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>>53360859
might take some pics at the weekend when I play a game with them; been doing a kind of napoleonic 'tale of four gamers' if anyone remembers that from WD
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>>53360921
They're still doing that in WD. Also that's a good idea I might do that with WW2 minis.
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>>53361632
It's a really fun way t build up a new force, for a new theatre or time period
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>>53325478
Yes, I have one copy
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>>53358582
>1/72
My brother
The ultimate historical scale
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>>53362058
>The ultimate historical scale
haha no

That would be 6mm
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>>53362072
How cheap are 6mm minis, and are they in plastic?
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>>53362072
I'll accept that 6mm is the only way to get near a really realistic scale, but the variety of miniatures and the detail possible just isnt quite there - especially in periods like syw etc where small details are key
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In Five Men At Kusrk are reactions replenished every turn or is it once you use them, they're gone?
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>>53362321
4 USD for 50 minis, but in metal.
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>>53362844
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>>53362321
> 6mm
> plastic

For what purpose?
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>>53362913
Napoleonics, assuming you are talking about the era i'm interested in.
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>>53362973
No I mean, what's the point of making 6mm in plastic?
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>>53363003
I can't answer that question. I wouldn't be asking if I knew the answer.
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>>53362072
>>53362058
1/72 is best scale for individually-based games. 6mm beet for everything else

[Spoiler]28mm a shit[/spoiler]
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>>53363685
>he doesn't use 28mm for painting miniatures he likes but then playing games with said miniatures
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>>53362058
Its a nice scale for being able to paint things with detail, and its ok for size, but not really great for realistic ranges on the tabletop - even by game standards. Its passable with some suspension of belief. Main reason we go 1/72 is because they're cheap and have a wide range, and we can still paint them to a decent standard.

6mm is great for distance on the table, but you don't get any detail and people have to squint up real close to even see all the effort you put in (if you actually did...) It is nice and cheap though so thats a bonus.
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>That moment when you watch zulu and want to impulse buy zulu-war blackpowder shit

Stop me /hwg/ for the love of god stop me.
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>>53364518
well made historical war films: the bane and joy of wargamers
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>>53352988
>Bolt Action: Campaign: Sea Lion

Dumbed down a-historical rules and army lists together with a complete improbable a-historical campaign?

It is a match made in heaven!
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Is the discussion of games like Combat Mission, Unity of Command, etc. permitted here? The Wargames thread at /vg/ is, predictably, a pile of ass.
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>>53365009
Combat Mission is always worth a shoutout
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>>53364544
Weren't their ammo pouches black?
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>>53366808
what makes you say that? every image I can see when google image searching "british kit zulu war" shows white or brown leather pouches - mostly white.
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>>53362973
I mean, maybe you could talk the Perrys (Perries? Perry's?) into releasing their 8mm plastics outside of the boxed game, but they're very limited in range.
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>>53366948
I'm not sure, I must be confused with another uniform. You're right and the minis look good.


I'm just confused.
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>>53365009
most computerized war games are acceptable talk here
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>>53362321
>>53362973
>>53362913
Perry miniatures has the Travel Battle kit released a while ago. Those guys are 8mm and plastic Napoleonic!
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>>53366053
I like those games but I've never been able to find a good community for finding PBEM partners - especially since I'm shit and need feedback more than I need a challenge.
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Anyone happen to have a PDF of Tank Charts by GHQ?
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>>53364518
Mennnn of Haaarlech stop your dreaming
Can't you see their spear-points gleaming
Seeee their warrior pennants streaming
To this battlefield
>>53363685
Id probably play 15mm for single based, massive choice and it feels like the perfect balance of detail and compact-ness
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Valkiria Miniatures just released some pics of their latest adaption of Bartek's pinups: the SAS Trooper.
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>>53367934
Webbing and pouches would be black if they were a rifle regiment. If they were they'd also be in a dark green uniform.
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>>53364101
Yes, 6mm is totally lacking in detail
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>>53364101
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>>53368795
They could've just as easily been metal though and I don't think it would have made much difference.
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>>53364101

Lacking, totally
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>>53370062
Why do I have an erection?
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>>53370079
must be the lack of detail ;)
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>>53370037
>>53370046
>>53370062

I will agree that saying that 6mm lacks detail is bullshit.

However, gotta agree with the poster that you're replying to that it can be tough to make out the effort you put into it at a distance.

Still, I'm not about to jump to 15mm clickytech minis, and any bigger is overkill for pewter.
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>>53370037
Do those men have faces with discernible eyes or noses?

I'm probably just used to cheaper sculpts where the infantry is somewhat blob-ish.
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Meh, I think all this back and forth arguments about scale are bullshit - each have its merits, and drawbacks, it all comes down to preferences. I prefer 1:72s because I live in a backward sub-Slavic ex-WARPAC shithole of a country where that scale is the most readily available for historicals - if I want 6 or 10mm, I gotta order from the UK, usually. I'd like to try some periods in smaller scales (SYW or the Great Northern War), but my first and biggest love is 1:72 - a scale I sometimes get away from, but like a loving mother, I always return to.

For you, it could be 10mm for one reason or another, it doesn't really matter - you love that scale and that's it, no need to gallop to bump limit too fast.

Pic unrelated: will re-do the camo netting on the barrel, it ended up too thick.
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>>53370037
>>53370046
added to my 6mm inspiration folder :^)
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>>53360665
Generally speaking - if it was bought separately, it stays separately for all intents and purposes, unless specifically stated otherwise. Several examples of this ruling in the Q&A section of Dispatches 2. One example of the stated exception would be the German ad hoc platoons in Fall of the Reich.
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>>53370222
GHQ infantry have faces, but the detail is obviously extremely shallow and can barely be seen without a magnifying glass.
>>53370131
Imo you have to decide what you want your 6mms to be, either an up-close diorama/photo piece with realistic weathering, or a gaming piece with strong edge highlights that allows some of the detail seen from a few feet away but are less realistic. I chose the latter, mainly because I enjoy painting in that style.
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>>53365009
Combat Mission is certainly tg suitable. Its basically a tabletop wargame, with the most insane rulebook ever and a Toofatlardies style umpire who doesn't talk much

Combat Mission is my favourite game, currently failing to make any progress on the US campaign of Fortress Italy.

Aside from being fun and believable, one of the things I like about it, historical or not. In most tabletop games light mortars are ass. In Combat Mission the US 60mm mortar is just fantastic. Sniping Pak40s is a particular pleasure.

I sometimes worry that the game has too much micromanagement which takes away from the experience (non historical) but then I played "Graviteam Tactics" alternative offering and went right back to Combat Mission!
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So has anyone got any experience with the TravelBattle Set from warlord games?

I looked on youtube for reviews but there was only one in my language or English and the guy doing the video was such an intolerable faggot i couldnt sit through it

http://www.warlordgames.com/new-travelbattle/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d0e25b3d08-Warlord_Games_Wednesday_Hobby_News_17_May_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-d0e25b3d08-132935933&mc_cid=d0e25b3d08&mc_eid=ef186f1405

would it be a good intro into napoleonics?
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>>53371600
>from warlord games?

It's made by Perry, m8.
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>>53371673
i saw it on warlords website

thats not even the point
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>>53371600
Some people have posted about the rules, but no-one's posted the full rulebook. Well, one reviewer did, but realised he'd posted the whole game and edited the photos down to blurovision. The comments on this news post describe some of the rules: http://theminiaturespage.com/news/talk/msg.mv?id=1880076774
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>>53371600
im curious about it as well. is this going to be a start of a new series of similar games that use the same scale or is this a one off?
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>>53372881
I've heard mutterings about a WW2 version, and I assume it would have different but compatible boards unless they're total idiots.

The boards are neat, and I've seen a couple of people talking about using them for a campaign -
https://wargamingmiscellany.blogspot.co.nz/2017/05/travel-battle-campaign-maps-more.html for example. Run armies around the map (not using the game rules for that, though) and set up a battle when they meet, on accurate terrain, so you can have actual choke points and stuff that matter based on naming the towns and such. Also seen people ordering two or three sets for bigger boards.

I have a fondness for 10x10 geomorphs based on a history of dungeon-crawling (thanks, OSR dungeon templates!) so the map sizes are good for me.
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>>53373010
https://archdukepiccolo.blogspot.co.nz/2017/05/travel-battle-campaign-map.html
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>>53371044
That's interesting that you're a big fan of mortars. I can't get them to hit shit. If they're with 100m of even a Point Target I get giddy. It's usually waaaay off.
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>>53366053
the one complaint i always had with CM is i always ran out of ammo so quick with my infantry and support weapons
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I've been playing a ton of Shogun Total War and now want to wargame it, Recommend me, scale, minis and rules for a truly immersive experience
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>>53373792
6mm, Baccus, Banzai: Age of the country at war 2nd edition.
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>>53373792
Impetus at 15mm with just about anything can be pretty damn good.
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After playing a shit load of Rising Storm 2 I want some Vietnam tinymanz for shits and giggles.

I'm thinking 15mm (so it can be used with my other cold war stuff) and using the Iron Ivan ruleset. Does anyone know how that handles multiple choppers?
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>>53358582
What rule sets do you like for the sino - japanese war ? Im guessing its not bolt action from the bases
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>>53377338
I don't know much about that ruleset, but as a TooFatLardies fan I would also recommend you look at Charlie Don't Surf.
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>>53380100
I forgot they did that. I liked Disposable Heroes (haven't seen the new ed yet) so thought it might be similar.
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Anyone know of a good generic ruleset that'd cover victorian era combat?
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>>53380948

GURPS
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>>53380961

Like rank and file combat along the lines of black powder.
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>>53380948
FiveCore creator Ivan has a ruleset called from Shako to Coal Scuttle that covers pretty much everything from the French Revolution to 1914.
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Anybody know of a PDF of this book? The prices are pretty absurd everywhere I've looked.
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>>53381770
Could always try to get it through an inter-library loan.
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>>53378848
We play Ostfront for WW2 - fast and deadly and nicely balanced.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/11RV84un18e6n2qZ1TCuK1kD5ji7pDg7JE7Vj_U1m7_8/edit?usp=sharing

Wrote up some weather rules for Bolt Action, for my group's coming campaign. (Note that the map only covers Europe, which made my job deciding longitude zones a lot easier.
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I'm pretty upset with the plastic late Romans by Gripping Beast.

I've not gotten to the unarmoured troops but they look fine, but the heavily armoured guys all suffered heavily from lack of poses.

On top of that I can't see how their shields are meant to be held easily, their left hands are too close to their bodies and so their left arm and leg obstruct an easy attachment.

These guys here are the only 5 I used the correct arm attachments for.
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>>53384049
I wanted them all to carry swords so I ended up using a few spare parts from another box from Gripping Beast so the swords are not incorrect but on the plus side they aren't all in the same pose. I also ended up using two vikings bodies and attaching Roman head so I could have 12 men instead of 10.

I think I've gotten away with it or do you guys think its too noticeable?
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>>53381836
£3.50 if you live in Hampshire
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/hwg/ are you aware of maybe a video series or something similar that goes into detail on the inner workings of AFVs? I don't mean "here is where the driver sits" or "here is a drive sprocket" but really explains and discusses specifics, maybe even the reasons behind those design choices and their impact in actual field use. This is a bit specific but I trust you more than /k/.
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PIKES
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>>53331780
They can look good but it requires a bit of conversion work. There seriously need to be more companies willing to make plastic samurai and such.
>>
>>53305311
Can the anon who makes these post one for today (May 23rd)?
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>>53387853
You can do it. I believe in you.
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>>53387853
What's the occasion, anon? I haven't actually started on it yet.
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>>53387853
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_23
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>>53387743
The Ashigaru I found to be okay, but I couldn't stand the foot Samurai.
I'd believe that they'd look good with some conversion work.

Also, in my dreams the Perry Bros return to Samurai and put out some plastic boxes.
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>>53384049
>>53384114
Gripping beast has really dropped in quality, the same with Fireforge games. They reuse miniatures and parts from other kits. Their new late Romans looks like fantasy garbage compared to other manufacturers and even historical artifacts.
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>>53387881
It's my birthday. So far it's going pretty good.
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>>53387885
Thanks!
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>>53387943
Think I'll do Ramillies then. Marlborough and the War of the Spanish Succession, it's stirring stuff.
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>>53387904
Using bits from the mounted samurai on the foot samurai improves them drastically. The extra sode and the heads with menpo from the cavalry kit does wonders on them.
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>>53386580
Tank Chats from the tank museum?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBAEOsdxIbLPFEomzphaZQ0A5Vujkpjd8

In other news: Hind & Seek released!
http://www.wargamevault.com/product/212538/Hind--Seek-SovietAfghan-War

After months of research, writing and play-testing, its finally done - PDF only at the moment, but printed books will be out over the next week.
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>>53387989

Ah, okay. I missed out on the mounted Samurai. Managed to get the two ashigaru and the foot samurai though.
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>>53388129
>In other news: Hind & Seek released!
Well done anon
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>>53373179
>Late reply, can't imagine you'll read this. I'm about to get into absurd levels of detail because its combat mission

If you're doing direct fire then they take a couple of shots to range in. Usually the team will fire a shot, wait for it to hit, correct and fire a better shot. Their rate of fire is stupidly slow to start with as they wait for each result. How quickly your shots get on target is hidden in the mechanics but it is known to be a factor of visibility, nearby leaders, binoculars, skills, range etc etc etc. Get down to the eye line of your firer and go FPS. Can the unit see where they're shooting, if so they're liable to do a good job

Once the team has ranged in then the rate of fire skyrockets, potentially firing a shot every couple of seconds which is devastating

Interestingly if you halt the bombardment, switch it over, or resume it, the response time is much faster

Alternatively you can call in a bombardment via an FOO; that's typically less accurate and slower to get in.
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>>53388129
congraduwelldone duder.
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>>53386580
Inside the Chieftain's Hatch is pretty good.
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>>53384049
>>53384114

Thanks for posting. I wanted to buy a box of these, but maybe i'll pass.

>>53387926
I don't see Fireforge having dropped their quality. I got their russian infantry set and its equally good as their templar infantry and the armored sergeants.

I'm really looking forward to their byzantine infantry.
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>>53387926
How would proper late romans look?
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>>53388129
Sorry for not getting back to you with a playtest, and not immediately rushing to buy it. I have barely money for bread and sausage until Friday, at which point I will immediately buy the final version happily. Like, in bed, at half four in the morning, I'll buy it on my phone and read it until it's time to get up.

grats man
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>>53391566
All good man, cheers for the support.
I'm not too worried if people buy it or not, I created it mostly for myself to game the conflict, I just like to provide it for the community as well.
I will gift it to /tg/ at Christmas, as 45th of December was the official start of the Soviet-Afghan war.

I'm sure everyone's well sick of me posting images related to the conflict by now anyhow, so high time to move on (although we'll still be playing a few games and I have a bunch more soviets to build - airborne and 6 helis, as well as a bunch more trucks, BMPs, BTRs, and various weapon teams)

I just bought Arma 3 and have been looking at setting up zeus-ing some soviet-afghan war stuff which could be cool. There were some videos on youtube of a guy doing it, but I don't think he had read much about the war, so he was putting all the Mujahideen down in the villages instead of on the high ground, and giving them BMPs and strange stuff like that... still interesting to watch though. zeus is a powerful tool...
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>>53391752
>45th of December

Bloody backwards Soviet calendar system.
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Anyone here play hail ceasar, I just bought a set of ancient greek hoplites, gonna paint them in the following weeks and i'll post results here
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Are there any games on the revolutions of 1848?
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