Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

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EIGHT FOR THE EIGHT

LET TERROR REIGN

AVE DOMINOUS NOX

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>>53173437
Please, mighty Vanquisher! Vanquish this stupid battle cannon randomness by becoming the best variant!

nth for 8th
Wait shit

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>>53173437
Will they ever be worth it?

I want to do a Termagant themed army with Tervigons, Tyrannofexes with Fleshborer Hives to act as my giant Termagants, and a whole lotta Termagants.

my dudes > your dudes

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>mfw Rapid-firing twin-linked Splinter Rifles from my Raider onto the filthy mon-keighs

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Nth for best legion, primarch, named characters and special unit.

>>53173494
Vanquisher cannon will most likely do just one hit, but way more damage.

>>53173494
I feel it'll suffer if it can't give itself a way to re-roll to hit like with co-axials. Hoping for S8 AP-3 DMG3+D3 or better.

>>53173494
>S 8
>AP -3
>Damage 2d6 take highest

Search your heart, you know it to be true

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>>53173506
>44 splinter shots per raider

My body is ready

>>53173521
Tbh at this point I just expect it to get a bonus to hitting enemy vehicles. So more reliable damage over flat more damage.

>>53173500
Tervigons are not worth it for 8th. They would be worth it if:

-You could choose between allocating towards new Termagant units (minimum 10 models), or replenishing lost Termagants (restoring Devgants).
-Instant Death was just "d3 extra wounds"
-They were ML 2/automatically got a choice of Catalyst or Onslaught. (Could be a WC battery if nothing else).
-Non-flyrant Thorax Weapons had Torrent (aka, Torrent Haywire).

As is, nope. They worked in some 5e builds, but that was before Psykerhammer, and when Hive Guard were BS 4.

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What are you lads doing? Just finished 20 Mordians.

>>53173500
Man I'm hyped for swarm nids to be good. I just want Tervigons shitting out babies, Hormagaunts tearing tau and eldar to shreds, maybe backed up by trygons, raveners and mawlocs to disrupt the enemy lines.

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>>53173437
So, according to that guy who wrote the article about the Imperial Guard, Russes are great and lasguns still can't do diddly.

>>53173565
any more pics?
I'm finishing a squad of Death Korps atm

>>53173533
Probably just a long range meltagun just like the current vanquisher: 96" Heavy 1 S:8 AP:-3 D:d6 reroll.

AP-4 or S9 would be nice, though.

>>53173576
Confirms roll for shot number too.

>>53173575
Also hype for TLD with Brainleech becoming 12 shots each with the twin link change

Go go dakkafex!

>>53173563
Wow, you already know the Tervigon's stats, all its rules for 8th, and its point cost ?! Please tell us !

>>53173500
Tervigons were pretty solid in that blissful period where the FAQ made it clear that they could summon gants that had obsec if it was in a CAD, but before the final FAQ decied to shit all over MCs getting a cover save.

why doesn't the Leman Russ kit come with a Vanquisher cannon? I see it comes with a battle cannon, but slightly longer, but every piece of work I see that involves the Vanquisher has it at like 3x that length.

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>>53173565
About to start working through the 3rd out of 4 highlight layers on my Reavers in a minute after I take a shower.

>>53173576
>Powerful just like the Battle Cannon Should Be

THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU! WE KNOW HOW TO DO MATH AND YOUR RELEASED INFORMATION IS NOT! PROMISING!

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> When you didn't think combi-weapon veterans could get any better.

>>53173576
>Guy doesn't even work for GW
>Can explain how the new battlecannon works better than GW employees

Top kek.

>>53173539
The problem with the neo-meltagun vanquisher cannon was never its damage or to-wound mechanic. It was getting it to hit. If we can give it a reroll to hit or BS5 or something to that effect, I'll call it a win.

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Phobos are love, Phobos are life!.

>>53173637
Unless there's some special rule on the unit that makes it way better. But I doubt anyone that playtested 8th ed is going to say anything negative about it.

>>53173657
>Now with twice the Dakka !

>>53173627
Anon that is the Vanquisher cannon.

>>53173690
ok I thought as much, but it doesn't look nearly as long as >>53173494

>>53173703
That's because the one in that pic is from FW I think.

FW is great at providing ... 'compensation' models :^)

I really want to see the changes to the Assassins, if any.

>>53173593
Absolute suffering, if its just a long meltagun. I would just bring Vendettas and Lascannon HWTs if I needed ranged anti-tank/MC instead.

Personally I like the new battlecannon, now it has a real role as opposed to be the generalist cannon. It opens up the possibility for the Punisher to be the real anti-infantry gun while the battle cannon is a cheaper anti-tank/multi wound model.

>>53173754
The entire point of the battle cannon is to be a generalist cannon though.

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>>53173754
Agreed, as long as the price is right it will be good. Though I still think the cannon is a generalist weapon. The Vanquisher should be better at anti tank

>>53173754
Yeah, if they make the "Classic" LR dirt cheap, then I'll be fine with these stats.

>>53173781
It still is. It's kinda ok against anything, but great at nothing ... unless you get that lucky 18 wounds on a single model unit.

>>53173720
top kek anon

Almost 0 xenos stats so far
Lets speculate gun/units/rules

Necrons players?
Maybe you get gauss -1 rend on 6 to wound?
Dunno what might need a buff or dramatic change

Tau players?
Pulse stats as bolter +1 str
Railsides buffed please

Eldar?
Broken but how broken

>>53173812
Railsides are finally buffed to 2 shots.

>>53173812
>Broken but how broken

Gonna take the longshot and say not broken at all.

>>53173791
Yeah, the BC is still generalist. For the explodey cannons it goes

> Anti-Infantry: Nova Cannon
> Multi-purpose: Battle Cannon
> Anti-Tank: Vanquisher

Now all I can hope for is that the Imperial Guard realizes that they can put Twin Lascannons in the LR turret.

>>53173754
A role against what?
It sucks against Vehicles>>53172828
It sucks against Light Infantry (6 kills maximum)
It sucks against Medium infantry (Average 1.75 hits before to-wound rolls, and Space Marines get a 5+ save against it)
It sucks against terminators (see above, but with a further 33% chance that the wound you do make won't kill the terminator, and a better save)
So what's left? Medium vehicles? At this point we're waiting to hear what special rules might save this crap gun.

>>53173839
>Now all I can hope for is that the Imperial Guard realizes that they can put Twin Lascannons in the LR turret.
The Leman Russ Annihilator is already a thing

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>>53173839
>Double lascannons

You rang?

>>53173863
>Having to buy forgeworld or convert a fuckload of Lascannons to use a viable unit

The new games workshop™ looks like the same shit then.

>>53173906
You haven't even seen the full rules yet, calm the fuck down.

>>53173563
Instant death isn't a thing in 8th.

WC batteries don't exist. We don't generate warp charges anymore.

We've heard there will be one psychic discipline for each faction

We don't know if Torrent even exists in 8th

>>53173906
At least it's a variant not in the core book. The lack of Vendetta kits from GW is even more of an insult considering it's a unit in the goddamn codex.

>>53173839
Oh that makes me wonder, will the Nova cannon be Heavy 2d6 with no cover? Likely AP -1 or 0 and only damage 1

There there's the Plasma Cannon, my favorite looking, Heavy 3d3?

FUCK I JUST WANT 8TH ALREADY!!!

>>53173954
Rough. Riders.

>>53173954
Just grab them off your spare HWS packs. Well, maybe not if your not an Autocannon man.

>>53173500
That's a tyrannofex. And they BETTER be useful in the new edition. Fleshborer hives assault 20 twin linked for 40 bolter shots? Yes please.

>>53173949
>We don't know if Torrent even exists in 8th

That's easy, now you just give flamer type weapons whatever range you want

>>53173863
>>53173885

I mean without having to go to forgeworld.

But if the rules are all consolidated, does that mean all the Russ Variants will be in one place?

>>53173964
I could see Novas being Heavy 2d6, or getting a bonus number of hits based on unit size.

Selling my 6 riptides, 8th edition is a fucking joke. Why is any Tau player going to keep playing this bullshit? FUCK GW, FUCK NERFS, muh babies

please, message GW and tell them you are upset too and want the lore and feel of riptides to remain good in 8th

>>53173995
Maybe, they might still have it broken up into two parts so people can choose to shun FW if they are lame.

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So, what's the best army to start on a 100 dollar budget in Kill Team?

>>53174016
Alright. I'll message them to tell them that I would like the rare prototype centerpiece battlesuits to remain as such, and have a point cost to reflect how strong they are.

>>53173633
I'm planning on starting a deldar force in 8th, and just looking at all the highlighting terrifies me.

>>53174016
1/10
see me after class

>>53174032
It's kind of a poor question really, you should just play whatever you like the most. but if money is an issue then don't go for a horde army.

>>53174016
Sure, I'll tell them how delicous your tears are.

>>53173995
The rules might be in the same place but you can be sure they won't update the kit and the best variants will still be items to buy separately.

>>53174016
obvious troll, but really I think the way to balance rapetides is to not update them. Keep them 6 wound models with a 2+, that's not really good in 8th from what we have seen.

>>53174065
Why would you punish a paying fan who buys your products? Tau should be powerful mecha force it's in the fucking lore.

>>53173885
kind of regret not picking imperial guard as my army but those cadian models just look terrible.

>tfw you start a game and the other guy has 4 Icarus Lascannons
> Fliers aren't a thing, so neither is skyfire
> All tanks die turn 1

do we have any idea on when 8th edition will release?

>>53174095
Last week of May for rules pre-release, first weekend in June for full release.

>>53174082
>Why would you punish a paying fan who buys your products?

Same question (insert other faction who had to play against Riptide spam) players have been asking

would it be possible to play warhammer in roll20 with free tokens?

>>53174102
Don't be a cheap cunt and get the tabletop simulator.

>>53174116
tabletop simulator?
Shit man can you blame a poorfag for being poor?

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>>53174016
Nice meme dude.

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>mfw triple land raider black templar list is viable

I can already see min-maxers using 5 man las plas squads in land raiders.

>>53174102
dark heresy? yes.
the wargame? stupid question

>>53173863
>>53173839

This anon is right. We're getting the FW rules for it. Just put one together. Annihilator Russ is great fun.

Don't forget other russ variants. I suspect this is what we will see this edition in rule-set if they are releasing ALL of FW

General Purpose / Hard Hitting
> Battle Cannon - this we know
> Exterminator Twin Autocannon - know what to expect

Anti Infantry
> Eradicator - Curious
> Punisher - We know what to expect kind of
> Conqueror - lol who uses them???

Anti Vehicle / Big Shit
> Vanquisher - probably 2D6 BC with better AP and special rules
> Annihilator Twin Las - we know what to expect here
> Destroyer - Probably 1 shot with like 3D6 damage

Jack of All Trades
> Demolisher - expect it to be 2D6 BC with better wounds, should be lethal as fuck
> Thunderer - Above
> Executioner - Plasma spam is plasma spam, now damage of D3 probably
I suspect the main build for the LR will become:
>Hull LC
>HBolter sponsons
>Stormbolter
>Gun of choice for purpose


How I will be running my LR...

>Hull flamer
>Sponson flamer
>Punisher or Demolisher

I'll let my lascannon teams kill big shit. My flammen-russ will storm the table in a whirlwind of wounds. 3 heavy flamers on a leman russ in this edition, independently targeting what-ever, while main guns do their thing.

>>53174044
Turn that fear into drive, anon. If you don't know how to highlight Dark Eldar will make sure you learn. I was terrified, too.

>>53174082
No it's in their lore that they overwhelmingly use a combined arms style doctrine backed up by a handful of elites in mechs. Do you actually know their lore?

>>53174134
It should be theoretically as long as you are clear on what stands for what.

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How are chimeras going to be in 8th edition?

Hey I have a question. Is GW ever going to release female cadian troops? Im one of those fags that gets a stick up my ass if i cant make my armies lore approved so this is vital info for me.

>>53174162
t7, 4+

>>53173657
> Dat feel when my LR-Crusader gets 24 bolter shots, 8 Assault Cannon Shots, Multi-melta, AND a storm bolter
> Dat feel when my Deredeo now has 8 shots at strength 8 instead of 4, as well as 6 heavy bolter shots.
> My Deoderant Tank now gets 4 missiles a turn, with 6 missiles on the first. GOODBYE TANKS.

>>53174137
Javelins are going to be fucking amazing. They were already okay-ish in 7th ed, especially for harassing tanks from outflank. But literally doubling the number of missiles they get is going to make them just god-tier.

I only have one rogue-trader era javelin(The one you make by hand out of spare bits and a deoderant stick), but I should splurge for more bits to make like 2 more. Get like a whole squadron of Deoderant Tanks.

>>53174163
They already did. Half of all Cadian models are female.

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>>53173565
Wip battlewagon, cannon is from an old zaku toy I had as a kid and lost 90% of.

>>53174088

Both IG and ork I love the idea of, but just don't like the models enough to play (outside some of the FW, but I'm not made of money).
And Catachans are even worse than Cadian, imo.

>>53174162
I just hope tanks are usable at all.

>>53174182
T H I N

H

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YOUR GODDAMN PAINTS.

>>53174141
Well with the bigger and bigger suits they're making it seems that even GW doesn't know Tau fluff

>>53174192
Don't ever tell an ork player to thin his paints.

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>>53174188
Hopefully

>>53174205
Oi but ya can tell 'im to SOD OFF

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>>53174205
I am in my right to tell someone to thin their paints. Orks can be made to look amazing. Just not with thick paints.

>>53173954
Shrikes and sky slashers havent had legit models ever, since their inception. Yet they are somehow still in the book. Even worse; when they finally decided to make an updated warrior kit, there were no wing options.

>>53174162
They'll be fine. I finally have an excuse to field the HB turret, which I think looks way better.

>>53174102
Big problem I see would be sorting out LoS.
Horizontally would be fine, vertically I don't know how you'd do it.

Actually, verticality in general.

>>53174181
No they arent. They are visibly all male.

>>53174241
>>53174230
I know, I've just encountered so many poorly painted Ork armies.

>>53174268
With the exception of Mira, all female Cadians look like men.

An army of cunt-boys.

>>53173565
I'm deciding wheter to drill this elysian head off the gunner seat in the Tauros Venator or just leaving it as is. I've got a Kasrkin head handy, but it looks like the Elysian is screaming in terror when i grab the drill

>>53174267
i want to know if i'd like the game before i invest any sort of cash into it.

By the way, what do you need to get started?

>>53174243
But Anon look at all the other kits with wings! Just buy one of those and have fun converting :^)

>>53174285
Mate not even 40k lore is that stupid. Sigh... anyone experienced with the arcadian then? How well do they fit with cadian troops. They are pretty close i think but id like other opinions before i drop money on troops that cost twice as much.

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>>53173565
Watching a movie since it's late and I got off work a few hours ago. I'll try to finish up my CSM squad tomorrow and then go on a bitz buying spree because I'm getting some bikers pretty soon off an order and I want them to use spears along with the next squad I paint.

>>53174163
Female Guard regiments are extremely rare, and mixed regiments are even rarer.

>>53174139
I've got time to learn.
I've ordered some wyches which I can hopefully use for more than just SW:A, but my billing cycle is just starting, so wont be getting the Start Collecting box for a little.

I've got some Ravenwing from Dark Vengeance that really seem to benefit from it, though, so I'll practice on those while I save up.

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>>53174192
>>53174205
I've never been able to find a good balance for watering down without being too thick or getting so runny it fills in the cracks.
Also might be the army painter paints. I recently started buying citadel and it feels like the pigment is much stronger.

>>53174324
The cadian regiments are all mixed, the cadian regiments are alsi the most common. The former because idk, the latter because GW is lazy and will only shelf cadians. Regardless the lore puts cadians squarely in the camp of recruiting every man woman and child they can get their hands on. I will field them as such if i can.

>>53174324
They're probably also only ever formed after all the men have died.

>>53174347
You should be able to find at least some headswaps no problem. Cadians wear baggy enough fatigues to not need a full body swap and if you seriously need a modeled female body then there are plenty of third-party minis that look close enough while being cheaper than GW could offer you.

>>53174345
Well the next advice is that you do the following
> Paint on palette
> Add like 25% water
> Put brush in it.
> 'dip' your brush into a paper towel
> Now paint the model.

Other than that, it's just pure practice on getting the ratios right. Alternatively you can just get a wet palette, and allow it to automagically thin your paints for you. It costs like 3$ to make a wet palette that will last forever.

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>>53174345
Exposed for the phone poster I am

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> When you realise Cadia died because GW couldn't copyright it.

SAD

>>53174370
Eh, the only ones that arent shitty are the victoria arcadia models. But those are expensive. What would be a good place spare heads?

>>53174296
I bought Dark Vengeance and split it with a mate.
$85 dollarydoos, including some basic paint supplies, rulebook etc. Bought a can of primer and a few other paints, too, but outside the primer not strictly necessary.
They'll be doing an updated one with 8th.

Haven't played many games yet and it's still been worth the money, just due to the time spent painting.

>>53174345
>>53174377
Or if you want to be a pig about it
Thin your fucking paints like a mad man
Do several layers

Then finish it with drybush to highlight details.
Not all models will look good with this, usually the ones who have tons of crevices look tabletop ready with this alone though.
BE FUCKING CAREFUL when you drybush it.

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>>53174347
Cadia basically puts every single born child into boot camp for most of their life before joining the white shields, then either kasrkin or fully fledge Cadian guardsmen

Pic related is the best cadian rendition, though I prefer if the shoulder pads weren't so huge, and there was more gear webbing

>>53173490
>"If you kill me and my Legion, I win."
d.Night Haunter

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>>53174060
Problem is I'm just a lorefag with a lot of likes. IG, Daemons, and Eldar are probably the top of the list.

>>53174377
Different anon, but care to give a brief overview of how to wet pallet?

>>53174430
do SA or IMaWC with Daemon allies.

>>53174435
Wet a paper towel, place a piece of wax paper over it.

>>53174370
Personally I see why games workshop doesn't do female cadians. A woman in a cadian uniform would be also indistinguishable from a man unless you were standing close to her. I have a feeling that no matter how they sculpted the figure people would complain about it.

>>53174389
Cadia isnt dead mate. The cadians never left. There are entire regiments stil planet side sitting in the trenches in their cardboard boxes shooting their flashlights at the endless hoards of deamons.

>>53174470
daemons don't exist anon, the commissar might want to hear why you think Chaos has anything besides foolish cultists.

So the council of nikea was because everyone was jealous of magnus not losing any of the thousand sons while bringing planets into the imperium?

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How do I best kitbash MANz to look like this?

>>53174447
Wax paper isn't right, water can't seep through it so it doesn't thin your paints or keep them fully wet.

>>53174435
My phone just up and fucking died permanently yesterday, otherwise I would show pictures of my wet palette, but here's the gist of it:

> Buy a small-ish tupperware bin.
> Paper Towels
> Parchment Paper(NOT WAX PAPER.)
All comes to roughly 3$

Preparing:
> Put a paper towel in the tupperware bin
> put water in until there is a 1/4 inch thick flow on top of the towel.
> Put parchment on top of it.
> Add paint.
> Go ahead and use it. Just replace the parchment after every day of painting.

To thin your paints down, merely spread them across the palette further than you would normally. The wider you spread the paint, the more water it sucks up from underneath the parchment. Doing this lets you extremely precisely control the amount of water in your paint.

It also keeps your paint wet for longer. A freshly made palette can keep paint wet for up to 10 hours.

>>53174393
Statuesque seems to make some good ones, though I don't shop for female head swaps so look around some more yourself.

http://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/p/9233474/sma351-heroic-scale-female-heads-narrow.html

>>53174465
I mean people are going to bitch regardless. Because GW never makes enough fucking models.

>>53174509
>GW never makes enough models that aren't space Marines

Fixed.

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>>53174495
Your best starting point would probably be an Orruk model since AOS Orkz have much better proportions than 40k ones. From there you should just need to do some weapon swaps and cut up some plasticard to make the typical ramshackle as fuck Ork armor.

>>53174500
I like these. Two more questions. Do they have a bald variety? And does GW sell bits? Because i only have like 3 helmet bits.

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>>53174465
It doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal to make them have just enough to be noticeable curves and a womans face with a pony tail or whatever.
But this is the internet we are talking about here and it is gw we are dealing with.

>>53174553
>wanting female guardsmen
For what purpose?

But nah, GW dinnae sell bits.

>>53174533
Thanks boss. Sounds good to me. Do you happen to know by chance if the skull there has anything under it/is removable?

>>53174553
>Do they have a bald variety?
Couldn't tell ya.
>And does GW sell bits?
They don't but plenty of websites out there strip down GW kits to sell the individual parts.

>>53174439
I'm retarded, what are those short for, anon? Google's giving me nothing. I'm guessing IMaWC are a specific warband.

So are IG wyverns shit now?

With combi weapons no longer being single shot are vehicles in general shit now?

>>53174583
Solar Auxilia and Imperial Militia and Warp Cults, which are 30k armies.

>>53174570
According to this video it looks like one half of the big skull is attached to the shoulder plating but it should be easy enough to cut off and greenstuff whatever gap is there. I can't tell you much more than that, I don't play AoS or Orkz/Orruks, I just knew that their warboss has good proportions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYnWa0VaZI

>>53174567
I field cadians, they are a mixed regiment. I like their lore so i want to be accurate with it because i am a lore fag.
>>53174576
I did actually find a bald variety after searching a bit so thats nice. I will search for those bits then.

>>53174497
Champion, sounds super straight forward.
I've been using a spare tile, and feel like I've been wasting a ton of paint to it.

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>>53174016
...riptides

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>>53174620
Appreciate the help

>>53174619
>>53174583
Shit, sorry, I thought this was hhg.

>>53174465
The main problem is that it's already a stretch to say the plastic cadians resemble humans at all.

>>53174611
>t. only knows how to netlist

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>>53173518
I didn't knew Ultramarines had purple colors and guitars, must be unorthodox Guilliman's tactics.

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>>53173565

Well, I'm at work, but when I get home, I'm probably going to finish magnetizing the wych squad and kill 2 birds with one stone. That'll give me another 40k squad AND a SWA team.

Pic related

>>53174619
Holy shit these look amazing, anon.

Are HH armies supported with Kill Team rules?

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>>53174656
You just reminded me of a guy who "converted" all of his 8 riptides out of 1:144 scale gundam models. That is to say he stuck them on bases and didn't put a single tau bit on them.

Needless to say I never played with him.

>>53174671
If they updated the models i would start collecting imp guard immediately. I went for tau because i like battletech and giant robots and animes and their basic troops didn't look like mongoloids

>>53174675
Nah dawg just bought a couple a long time ago along with a vendetta cause they look sweet

I don't get how the template changes were implemented so Im not sure if they're null

>>53174702
No, they're not meant for use in small point games.

>>53174691
How hard were they to magnetize?
I've ordered my magnets, and should be getting the wyches tomorrow, but I'm worried about how thin the plastic will be.

>>53173437
You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not Emperor of Man, you're a chicken, Boo.

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>>53174680
>Rawbooty

>>53174562
The thing is because they are tiny plastic army men you need to design them with over the top features to make them pop. I don't think games work are very good at doing women anyway but I guess they are getting better?

>>53174611
I think Wyverns will be alright, I can see their quad twin-linked blasts turning into a huge volume of fire. I imagine each twin Stormshard Mortar will be something similar to 48" Heavy 4d3 S4 AP0 D1 Re-roll failed to wound and/or ignore cover bonus.

>>53173842
I am worried about this. I have to think that I am missing something because most people seem to be loving the new battlecannon stats, but they are absolutely terrible. Add to this the fact that things we didn't care about like heavy bolters are now going to frontally wound a Leman Russ on a 5+ makes me think that our tanks are going to be useless.

>>53174768

Not very. All the attached weapons on the wyches have 2x1mm magnets in them and the torso drilled with a 5/32 bit, which is perfectly snug. Just be careful, though because the arm itself isn't much wider than the magnet, but you should have more than enough depth to drill.

I use a pin vise and a $7 pack of dremel bits from Walmart, and I've regretted nothing so far. The pack goes as thin as 1/32 I think and goes up from there.

>>53174831
>>53174768

Also, be careful with the curved razor flail if you use it. I nearly snapped it getting to the socket because it wraps back around the top.

>>53174562
Unless you want them to look full waifu instead of soldiers who happen to be women, good luck. These are tiny models that people paint, the details wouldn't be noticeable enough to make it worth it. Unless you want SoB boobplate there's not much to do with a helmet and generic human face while people are wearing body armor.

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>>53174787
>Fagrim

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>tfw I might actually use TLHB on my immolators for the first time since forever

>>53174831
Sweet, thanks.

I'm getting these, so should work out the same (and given the drill bit comes with it, it should fit them pretty nicely).
http://www.thecombatcompany.com/rare-earth-magnets/modifx-magnets-mini-starter-2-00mm-x-50pcs-drill/

>>53174829
They are still 12w with a cover improvable 3+ save so they are pretty durable. But yeah new battle cannon is shit.

>>53174137
I wonder if the nova cannon will ignore bonuses to save rolls.

>>53174852
>razor flail
That just makes me think of how I don't envy Dark Eldar players. Painting all the thin spikey bits, chains, hooks, and everything else about them would have my ass clenched tight enough to open a pickle jar.

So there's no way they're nerfing Eldar now, right? Everyone with twin-linked is getting a HUGE buff, Eldar rarely benefits from it.

>>53173576
Lasguns have been great since forever. FRFSRF has been amazing since 5th.

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>>53174174
>Deoderant Tank
TASTE

>>53175020
I hope knife eared fucks get nerfed into the ground as payment for all the past bullshit. The butthurt would be tremendous.

>>53175020
I hope Eldar get blown the fuck out.

space jews

>>53175051
I hope all the waacfags flocks to your army when they ditch elfs :)

>>53175020
Nobody likes eldar, not even eldar players

I am still amazed gw didn't just make 8th compatible with AoS ala wm/hordes

>>53175039
It's fucking stupid how good that actually looks. It could probably do with some plasticard in a few areas to break up the profile but as-is deodorant tank is surprisingly passable.

Have chaosfags stopped crying about combibolters now?

>>53175112
Nurgle terminators are going to be huge

> tfw when Eldar gets revealed last, is super OP
> battletomes do nothing
It'll be glorious!

>>53173543
Well get your body unready, buddy. Because they have taken shooting from inside a vehicle away.

>>53175112
>crying

Who was crying? It's better in every way now from the twin-linked changes

Unless you mean the thought that it might be a combi-weapon and have a -1 BS to get the full effect, but honestly 4 shots at close range might just be worth it anyway.

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>>53173565

>>53175156
I think the complaint was that combi-bolters will still be less versatile as a combi-weapon. Not sure, it was a strange complaint and Chaosfags have been crying for so long it's hard to pay attention to what they're saying.

>>53175112
Combi bolters were already better tho?

>>53174016
0/10, apply yourself.

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>>53171484
>>53172012
what is this secret club bullshit? why make people dig through 1d4ddit posts to get the info?

>>53174611
If by "shit" you mean fairly priced points wise, we can only pray.

Are there any place to download 3d models of 40k weapons or other bitz? 8th edition has got me interested to start my orks again. It looks like 3d printers would be a good idea to help with scratch building/kitbashing.

It doesn't look like 3d printing is good enough for models but printing out a few heavy bolters or flamers would make things easier.

What would Thunder Warriors with butchers nails be like?

>>53175020
I would be so happy if eldar were trash tier, nothing can make up for MULTIPLE editions of cheese.

>>53175317
Because it is well known geedubs trawls sites like this to find easy info that they can crack down on. When it's obfuscated like that it goes in the too hard basket for them.

>>53174720
best answer to that is to make an entire counts-as army based on forgeworld models

>>53175317

I specifically want to make you search because I had to.
Also keeps retards from abusing the service.
And the main one is slow as all hell and gives shit customer service already so I don't want to give him any more business.
People say it keeps them from getting sued- I think that's bullshit, it's hard for a British company to sue anyone in China, the Chinese hate brits.

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>>53174858
Not that i dont mind some waifu shit once in awhile

>>53175333
Extremely crappy warriors. The Thunder Warriors were already inferior, the World Eaters with the nails became extremely reckless and unstable in battle. Giving them to the already unstable superhumans is a bad idea.

>>53175325
>>53175317

Ah looks like my question got partially answered while i was typing the question. Ill probably work on improving my blendr skills while im at it.

>>53175396
Last I checked Thunder Warriors were far superior to Astartes, they were just horribly unstable.

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>>53174895

If that didn't come with a bit, I'd say you were way overpaying, but I might say that anyway. I get mine for ~$10 per 200 magnets, and info felt like waiting a month, I could get them for under $2 from china. This is on ebay, mind you.

Also, below reminded me: I usually use the back of my exact I knife to press it into place because it's hard and flat. However, I get the polarity right by using the magnetized torso to set the arm magnet.

For your first model, drill a hole in the torso and set your magnet. The polarity doesn't matter. Then, put another magnet on that magnet, drill a hole in your arm piece, and set the magnet into place using the torso (I use my knife end to make sure the magnet is flush). Now, you shouldn't ever have to worry about polarity. Doing a torso? Use an arm. Doing an arm? Use a torso. I did a whole skew of Calth Marines this way, too, and it was wonderful. Everything Pic related is magnetized.

>>53175008

You're not wrong, though assembly is worse. My raider made me bleed. The worst is removing sprue chunks because of how small everything is, but mold lines are arguably worse because they have a tendency to run straight through all the spikes.

>>53175325
Nah even for weapons, 3d printing is shit. It has a looking way to go before it's usable.

That said, the day that an affordable home 3d printer that makes good models is released, geedubs is going to seriously have to think about their business model. Heck even once a good enough printer is cheap enough for a club/friend group to split costs will be the doom of their current business model.

>>53175140
>[Citation Needed]

>>53175171
>.
I assume you sold your good camera to buy all those models ?

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>>53173565
workin on boyz pls no bully these are my first minis

>>53175421
I would imagine they'll just sell the IP at that point.

>>53175412
That's only in a single BL novel. The same novel in which a single, somewhat slower custodes (due to ork spores overwhelming his immume system ... right) gets BTFO by a naked, unarmed World Eater.

>>53175415
I pay dollarydoos, there's no avoiding over paying.
It may be worth looking into China via ebay in future, but I do like to buy locally. I wouldn't even have bought from them if I could find an actual local store, but best I could do was 1 magnet left at $1.50.

As for setting them in place, I assume that's just an easy way to make sure you don't fuck up the polarity? I'll keep it in mind, cheers.

>>53175423
Read through the fucking WH community posts. Don't expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter when you aren't keeping up.

>>53175479
I like them. Who say otherwise is a runty git

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>>53175346
>get C&D
>ignore it
>change name/email
>repeat
Autistic as fuck is the 40k community. I'm surprised that players don't demand to dunk your models in Simple Green and chemtest the resin of your models for authenticity.

>>53175385
Okay that's understandable.
The two I found charge so much for shipping it's better to give Goy's Forgeworldshop the money direct. Pray4goodmolds.

>>53175421
I imagine when a 3d printer becomes good enough they'll start making their models that way, and before long (hopefully) lower their prices to entice people to use their legit ones still.
They'll then probably focus on paint/books/IP licensing.

>>53175421
I see. Not even for something like Ork Torsos? I got a few boxes of boyz way back in 4th when they were 16 to a box. So my bitz box is swimming with extra arms, heads and weapons. I was thinking that torsos, since any detail they have is obscured by the arms and head would look alright at a distance especially when intermixed with a unit of bona-fide troops.

>>53175496
None of the community posts have said infantry cannot fire out of transports anymore. The only one to even mention transports as far as I'm aware is the IG overview and even that just implies that vets can leave their transport and do more than fire once and then die.

>>53175479
After some practice you'll get your wash technique down and the shading will fit a little better. That's the main critique. I'd just google come color combinations that fit the shade you want and experiment with them. It's a pretty good start, I'm sure you've seen some "my first space sergeant" that look like a melted popsicle that was one vaguely human-shaped.

>>53173627
there's, 3? I think vanquisher turrets, the normal one, a gryphonne IV one, and a ryza one

>>53175527
Units inside of vehicles count as not being on the table, same as IC and psykers

>>53175496
You should probably read the community posts if you don't even know what's in them.

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>>53174409
Webbing gets in the way of the quartermaster stripping your mangled corpse after the battle is over, trooper.

>>53175494

Ah, well shit then. China might be the best option, but I get wanting to buy locally.

As for the setting, yea. Everyone always seems to have a horror story about how they fucked up the polarity of the magnets, but I've yet to have a single fuck up because of polarity. The only time I had to dig out magnets was because I drilled too shallow/deep and had to fix it.

If I ever had to set a weird magnet that needed an extension, I just used more magnets to make sure the polarity is right, use my knife to separate the end magnet, and then I press it in that way, or at least enough so I can apply real pressure.

>>53175540
What does it say this? I can't find a single community post that has talked about how transports work.

>>53175590

Because there isn't one and he's talking out his ass based on a faeit/nafka rumors.

>>53175590

People are just making assumptions based on how they work in age of smeg.

>>53175597
Just like how multiple wounds work exactly the same in 8th as they do in AoS?

>>53175603
Just like how Strength vs Toughness works the same was as it does in AoS?

Are there any bitz makers that make horns that will fit on MKIII helmets?

Goodnight, /40kg/. Here's something to watch that I find helps me relax. I hope you will enjoy it too, and maybe even find inspiration from it.

https://youtu.be/oh5p5f5_-7A

>>53175625

Don't forget moral works exactly the same too!

>>53173932
>GW drones trying to defend this shit
This place was better before gw infiltrated our lines

>>53175665
So it was always like this?

>>53174032
Skitarii

>>53175603
>>53175625
>>53175638
So it's assumptions and not actual released info?

>>53175677
Pretty much.

>>53175596
I read it on a FAQs page linked on facebook
You can't do anything with anyone while inside of a transport, you're forced to disembark.

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For some reason I made a shoddy space marine in ms paint. Anyone want to put meme text on it?

>>53175677

Exactly. He's talking out his ass and will get btfo when you can still fire from vehicles.

>>53175690
>i-it totally h-happened!

Yet you have no proof.

>>53175690
What FAQ page. Put up or shut up.

>>53175690
If you're so sure you've seen it why not link it?

>>53174093
>This kills Guilliman
>This kills the riptides
>This kills the wraithknights
>This kills the knights
>This kills literally any non mass infantry unit>>53174100

>>53175603

Didn't say it wasn't likely, but we have no information as of yet.

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> Interested in getting into 40k
> Waiting for 8th to drop and judging armies by lore/looks
> Each army has a unit that I hate but I am pretty sure they are critical

Can you get by with a Grey Knight army lacking DreadKnights?

I cant ever look at one without thinking of pic related.

Should probably just forget about it and wait to hear how things are after 8th.

>>53175634
>doesn't thin his paints

>>53174093
>Fliers aren't a thing
What did he mean by this?

>>53175666
It was better Satan, way better, you wouldn't understand the old golden age.

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>>53175421
Don't know what you're talking about m80, I can 3d print just fine with a SLA printer.

>>53175734
Was everyone you didn't like a shill back then too?

>>53174162
Those points are better spent on HWT with lascanons or heavy bolters

>>53175720
You sure can, but it's a lot more unforgiving to play.

>>53175690
Nope, not mentioned in anything released by GW. It was mentioned in rumors, but nothing official.
>>53175734
I don't remember people needing a boogeyman to yell at when someone disagreed with them. That shit skyrocketed when people decided that everyone on /tg/ shares their opinions and dissenters are from reddit and just trying to fuck things up.

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>>53175720
>Aquire Dreadknight
>learn to greenstuff
>make something like pic related
On a related note, would a Dreadknights sword fit for a Contemptor Dreadnought? As in, could you put it into his hand and make it look okay, or would it be too big?

>>53175740
Hey that's pretty good. how'd you scan it?

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>>53175691

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>>53175788

I honestly wouldn't even bother putting that much effort in.

GW stuff is already a bit overpriced, when you have to work that hard to make it even look passable you should just call it a write off and get one of these (but paint it better).

newb here, what is the benefit of having two sets of identical melee weapons? Like for instance the swarmlord has two pairs of swords. Does he get an extra attack? Anything else?

>>53175844
There usually isn't a benefit outside of the extra attack from two melee weapons.

>>53175844
Under the current rules, yes they generally get an extra attack. But there's new rules coming out in a month and nobody knows exactly how it will work.

>>53175791
I didn't, some bugger made .STL files and put them up on thingiverse, they got taken down but I've posted a mega link here before so you should find it in the archives.
Keep in mind it's all of a dunecrawler except the guns.

How is Miranda Irene

>>53175838
Well, you'd have to if you play at a GW and don't want to play the derpy looking dreadknight, third party wouldn't be allowed. In your LGS it would be okay, but not everyone has that option.
Also, nothing better than a really good conversion, they're your dudes after all.

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>>53175875

> Playing in a GW.

There's your problem.

That conversion looks pretty bad though? It's a bit of a mess and the concept itself isn't great.

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which imperial guard regiment has the purest girls?

>>53175902
Why is everyone so against playing in a GW?

>>53175907
Krieg, is there even any question?

>>53175921
Cause no 3rd party anything for the most part.

>>53175921

Kek, it's better than nothing if it's all you have but I find the people who go there are WAAC faggots and I can't stand the cunts who work there, although there are exceptions.

If there's a few of you why not start a club at one of your houses?

Also as you say GW won't let you use alternative models.

if the ecclesiarchy and the inquisition ever butt heads who would the adeptus sororitas side with?

>>53175779
I'm salty about battle cannon leman russes, people believe GW will sort it out, but I have been way too long on this rides to trust GW at this heights and deep down I know this is it, now leman russes are weird strength eight heavy d6 machine guns.

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Are you guys putting together a new army for 8e? I'm doing nids, primarily with large monsters as opposed to swarms of little ones. So far I've got:

1x Swarmlord
1x Trygon (prime)
1x Toxicrene
1x Carnifex
3x Warriors
3x Zoanthropes (/neurothrope)
10x Gargoyles
12x Hormagaunts

How about you guys?

>>53175964

A lucky roll can do quite a bit of damage to some vehicles.

6 hits each causing D3 damage with -2AP will spoil someone's day.

>>53175902
Well, my LGS is a lot closer than the next GW, so that is that anyway. But again, not everyone has that option.

>>53175921
I'm not against it, but the one time I was at a GW I picked up some colours and a Rhino. Bought some Harlequins too, but when I came to his desk with the Rhino he gave me this weird look, like "Ugh, Space Marines...".
Meanwhile, I never had something like this happen at my LGS. It's not really a problem, but it's a bad, weird feeling if you'd go into a store to play a game, and you know the store owner is just rolling his eyes behind your back.

>>53175960
The emperor.

>>53175740
>SLA printer

So $500 minimum?

>>53175945
Saved

>>53175964
I'm hoping they have a special rule that actually makes them better but I'm not confident until I see the actual rules.

>>53175980
6 shots that hit on 4+. Even if you hit several shots you may still end up doing only 3 damage, if you hit two shots you may end up doing 6 damage. It's just way too much RNG for me.

>>53175964

D6 str 8 shots doing d3 wounds each is considered bad?

It's basically a SOB Exorcist with extra weapons now. The SOB Exorcist is generally considered fantastic.

>>53175960
Ecclesiarchy. Who better knows the will of the Emperor than the ecclesiarch who casually gropes the butt of his Sister of Secretarywork?

>>53175964
But anon, you don't actually know better than everyone. You're just guessing, that's not the same as knowing no matter how much you believe it.

>>53175960

Depends on the situation.

The SOB are not really 'Blind faith' sorts despite the religious focus. Not after the Age of Apostasy. The SOB novels have pretty consistently shown they are fully aware of the flaws of the Ecclessiarchy and it's priests.

>>53176001

>Who better knows the will of the Emperor than the ecclesiarch who casually gropes the butt of his Sister of Secretarywork?

The last one who did that got beheaded.

>>53175870

Personally, she's the best I've used so far, though I have a feeling Alpharius is better. MI is really easy to order from and has a huge selection I just wish she had new-style Volkite and combi weapons. However, I didn't order anything particularly big from her(him?), so I can't comment there.

>>53175902
Aren't these things like $130

>>53175998
Except the exorcist hits on 3s, is AP1 and does D6 shots in an edition where vehicles generally only have 3 hp. Battle Cannons are hitting on 4+ doing D6 shots with a -2 save mod in an edition where tanks will probably average 12 wounds. Granted they're doing D3 damage but doing good damage requires you to roll well something like 4 times and for your opponent to roll poorly on their saves.

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>>53174788
>>53174858
If Victoria can do it, GW can too.
There really doesn't need to be a big difference between male and female guard. Just make them small differences, things you need to pick up the model to notice. They would just be like any other small detail on a miniature that you don't notice from a distance.

Besides, I've seen a mixed regiment of pic related, the differences are still pretty clear even from across a table.

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Man, I am not entirely convinved by 8th edition yet, but why is it so entertaining to read people's comment rampages about how everything is bad and shit and everybody should feel bad for even holding judgement untill release ? It gets specially fun when game mechanics they were praising not too long ago get re-introduced and are suddenly the reason 40k is 'dieing'. Like the 7th edition psycic system now suddenly being the pinnacle of game design, whilst it was inferior to the 2D6 leadership test system before the rumours started.

Shame Whineseer died, because the crying and wailing on there was always top notch.

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>>53175996
I envy you anon, I don't hold any hope for this edition, just dreadful expectations, people believe this will save 40k, they're wrong, it will only spawn a different waacfaggotry, shooting will remain king of the hill, eldars will be safeguarded by Kelly and everything will focus on marines Vs chaos, we AoS now.

>>53175996

Well, if you take them with 3 heavy bolters that's 15 shots.

The battlecannon was always a weird weapon. A MBT that exclusively fired an anti-infantry shell. If it was up to me I would scrap the vanquisher and just give it a choice between a SABOT round or a high explosive shell.

>>53176043

That's the 15mm version, it's still about 60 Doru though.

>>53176055
Most of the people bitching about 8e only started during 6 and 7

>>53176021
if its a he-says she-says kind of thing?

inquisition says ecclesiarchy is bad, ecclisiarchy says inquisition is bad.

The adeptus sororitas is part of the ecclesiarchy, but they're also one of the militant branches of the inquisition so... who are they closer too? I guess is the real question.

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>>53175691
I tried.

>>53176049

>Granted they're doing D3 damage but doing good damage requires you to roll well something like 4 times and for your opponent to roll poorly on their saves.

-2 on the saves gives a pretty good chance of it.

I'm not expecting a battle cannon to put other tanks in the dirt in a single turn but that was never really it's purpose. It's good against basically everything (If not specialised against any one of them)

>>53175967
I really want to do nids if huge swarms is viable in anyway, if not I'll just buy as many basalisks as I can fit on a table and play that.

>>53175511
Advantage to Forgeworld: they have great customer service.

>Ordered 5 Renegade Ogryns
>2 arrived with broken arms and bad casts
>We got this m8, here have 2 free ones and you can keep the broke ones

>>53176055
Most of us are pretty happy with the changes. Some are shit though like the new battle cannon and random charge ranges.

>>53176037
Yeah, after the Custodes told them that the guy they follow is really not doing the Emperors work. Remember anon, most Sisters are not for battle. Most are glorified secretaries and housemaids.

>>53176063
>That's the 15mm version, it's still about 60 Doru though.
Oh, cool. I'd pick one up but honestly the Leviathan looks a little odd.

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>>53176054
$50 dollars for 10? Yeah, nah. Does anybody else sell any knock-off Guardsmen in the 40k scale for cheaper than what GW wants for theirs?

>>53176079

In such a situation I imagine they'd try to keep the peace and prevent either from killing the other until a proper investigation can happen.

Mind you, this is assuming two people of equal pull. As the average priest isn't exactly on par with the average inquisitor.

>>53176079
That's not really how the inquisition works though. More likely "an inquisitor is investigating part of the Ecclisiarchy", in which case the Sisters would likely go along with the inquisitor.

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Be honest with yourselves. Does this really look like a loyalist to you?

>>53176096
After that it must be pretty tempting to bust a few models so you can get free shit.

>>53176122
At least more so than your average Space Wolves marine.

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>>53176122
Even their primarch was in on it.

>>53176105
Anvil Industries has a lot of options for Guardsmen, a squad of 10 for ~30 Pounds.

>>53176088
The -2 doesn't help it that much. You're only doing about 2 wounds a turn, I don't want it to one shot other vehicles but as it is it's not really good against anything. Seems like you'd be better off taking a more specialized variant over the battle cannon.

>>53176137
He's like a Chaos Knight, just like how the dude I posted looks like you could mostly kitbash him from CSM parts.

>>53176088
It's really RNG heavy. 0-18 wounds is a massive spread for the gun even if's heavily weighted towards the low end.

Holy fuck are sentinels actually going to be good again

>>53176157
Lolno.

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>>53173565
Getting all my shit ready for a competition saturday

Bets on next Faction Focus? We've gotten CSM and Guard, so I'm going to guess a Xenos is next. Eldar, perhaps, as the debatably most iconic xenos?

>>53176157
>>53176164
could always make it good the old fashioned way and just give it silly numbers that it doesn't deserve.

>>53176132
>literally looks like a CSM in a hooded robe
vs.
>loyalist Marine with runes and wolf icons
Sure, okay.

>>53175921
All the ones in my area are badly placed, away from transports or in places they don't belong in. One is literally in a the middle of a bus/tramway deadspot; The other is in the party/nightlife quarter of town, so every bar around is overpriced drinks and crappy by day or overcrowded by night.
On top of that add a staff that is either just as good as LGSs or as bas as you'd expect corporate shop keepers to be. Also the usual: They just sell Gdubs, they only accept Gdubs. They also act like you've got no choice but to go there to play and make no effort to keep their clientele.

Against that your LGSs have to compete against each other, pushing them to offer better service, staff prices, you name it. Basically when you step in a LGS you know what to expect. When you step in a dubs you have no idea. And if somehow your LGS sucks and is still somehow in business, you can just go next door. (Although usually they suck because they are the only ones around).
The only Gdubs thing versus everything allowed thing is moot because you have to see the MTG blobs every time you step in the LGS

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>>53176014
I know GW well enough, they did the same to fantasy, they bloated the game and then kill it, 40k is going AoS 2.0, they changed less to prevent AoS initial failure, but it's AoS nonetheless, was it necessary to remove initiative? Strike first when charging would have been enough, ws as a static value? Why? Now it doesn't matter how good your character is skilled, he'll be hit as easily as anyone else, wound anything on 6+? That was shit back in fantasy, basic firearms can penetrate a heavy tank hill now, this edition won't change shit, it'll only force you to get new miniatures for the new meta.

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>>53176144
>kitbashing
Archaon himself looks less Chaos than that.

>>53176171
eldar is likely to keep the elite>horde>elite pattern going. Otherwise I'd probably say Orks.

>>53176151
The balance justification is for it not being say 3+D3 shots and 2 wounds is that you CAN technically do 18 wounds. Even though the chances of that are 999999/1. It's bullshit, I bet Eldar and Tau won't have this level of RNG because

>Their technology is so advanced stupid Mon keigh/gue la :^)

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Hey dudes, for my CSM Kill Team, I'm planning on using mk 4 armor cuz it's sexy and chaos Marines are ugly and dated.

What are your thoughts on having some marines in mk 3 and some in mk 4? It's a 4 man I'll team, so I was maybe thinking 2 of each.

Thanks!

>>53175967
I'm waiting for the release to buy anything new, but I'm really hoping for nids to be playable this edition, especially since they announced the 6+ to wound on everything. Although I play swarm with a few wrecker balls in the middle.

>>53176202

>It's bullshit, I bet Eldar and Tau won't have this level of RNG because

I'm pretty sure they will.

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>>53176166
>competition

You're literally everything GW hates

>>53176216
>matched play

>>53176216
Its a modelling/painting competition, not a tournament

>>53176210
Don't CSM mix and match any type of armour they can get hold of anyway, what with the whole "Don't have forgeworlds, have to get by on what we can loot"-thing?

>>53176151
The more I've thought on it, the more I think it works out. With old style blasts, you pretty much had a 1 in 3 chance of it actually hitting where you wanted. Translated to now, the ideal is 5-6 shots.

Granted, I only think that's really a big improvement if it's also BS 4, but in such cases you could expect those 3-4 hits to turn into a similar number of wounds or more depending on the target. Dealing 3-4 wounds on a proper shot isn't bad and isn't too unlikely either.

Rolling the average on the d6 and getting a 3 or a 4 is closer to the blast scattering and only catching one or two models.

It feels like the odds overall have increased for everything except shooting at tightly packed squads or really big blobs. The problem is that a couple low rolls at key points will screw you over.

Ideally, the Leman Russ having some sort of rule that gives it better accuracy, even if it's only when above half health, will do wonders for making this more consistent

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>>53176198

THICC

>>53176198
He's the ever chosen, he doesn't have to prove shit to no one, he gets the big four full support.

>>53176193
Wait, do you think they are or aren't going to kill 40k?

With most melee being charging and withdrawing, hitting first on charge largely renders I unncessary bookkeeping.

WS static means that higher WS actually make a difference. It used to be that anything beyond middling was a waste, as it was compared mostly to the WS2 of most units.

Wounding on a 6+ is fine given that armor saves are actually important now and the tank will have double-digit wounds. People have run the math, basic firearms will require absolutely ludicrous numbers of shots to down a tank.

Stop whining, we're fine.

>>53176221
Look at the difference in the pictures.

>Open play features a bunch of adults hanging out having a good time at their local store

>Narrative play is a cool movie style shout of a game

>Matched play is literally two uncomfortable looking children with a blank background

>>53176222

That's fine. Good trips for you then.