EDH/Commander General

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>>53085540
>Anyone run decks that revolve around blowing shit up?
Ashling with a bunch of MLD.

>>53085654
Ashling and 99 mountains

This seems like one of the only generals up now since it's apparently Friday. Have some questions.

I know shit like Red decks are generally known for burn/aggro, but have they ever excelled at other play styles like combo or control?

>>53085740
Of course. Control/combo is actually more viable for mono-red than burn/aggro in EDH.

>>53085740
F E L D O N
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What's with the confusion about being able to play islands in a non-blue deck? You can't play Mystic Monastery in Azorius either, so why could you play UB land in Gitrog?

>>53085740
Big Red or Skred are some famous ones.

>>53085740
Red tends to be good at combo and artifacts.

>>53085838
Because people don't understand the difference between fetches and lands that tap for mana.

I played a Kingdom game on cockatrice and I actually won as the Usurper

wasn`t expecting that.

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If I had infinite money what cards would be best for my kozilek deck? Already have Mana Crypt, mana vault and grim monolith

>>53085838
He saw them, came to the "genius" conclusion that they're good in Gitrog, and wanted someone to tell him something contrary to what he knew so he could justifiably cheat.

A lot of questions around here are like that.

>>53085927
Another hobby

>>53085838
>>53085884
>>53085929
Guy who asked that stupid question here. I knew of the ruling on color identity but just wanted to confirm that it was still a thing, had a friend tell me it wasn't so anymore

>>53085953
So it's exactly what I said: >>53085929

>>53085944
Haha thanks for the you friend! Upvoted with both my accounts!!

>>53085927
Metalworker, ancient tomb, rings of brighthearth, staff of domination, Grim Monolith, Karn Liberated, Lion's Eye Diamond, Mox Diamond, Mox Opal, Ugin, mishra's workshop, city of traitors.

Probably tabernacle as well, since you're gonna go tall instead of wide.

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>>53085969
No its not you faggot fuck. You implied I was the idiot and when I was just confirming a stated fact

>>53085978
Stupid response for a stupid question, aniki

>>53085929
>>53085929
>>>53085838
>He saw them, came to the "genius" conclusion that they're good in Gitrog, and wanted someone to tell him something contrary to what he knew so he could justifiably cheat.
>A lot of questions around here are like that.
Fuck it's so true. Why do people insist on being dicks at a cardboard pretend game?

>>53085944
>>53085978
>>53086077
Stupid people do stupid things, smart people outsmart each other, then themselves.

Would you put null profusion in a yidris storm deck to keep the cascade value train rolling as long as possible? I have scroll rack and top plus a few other things so I think I could manipulate the top decking even with a maximum hand size of two

>>53086077
He probably just wanted to know what the price ceiling on Kozilek was, so he could make upgrades over time. Don't be rude, outouto.

>>53086129
I know you are but what am I, kyodai?

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Post your partner decks and the strat they use!

>>53086173
I've got the exact same deck, it's pretty nuts. Also have a Tana and Tymna deck that goes wide with saprolings. Very deadly, but also very easy to win with commander damage.

>>53086077
>Asking about what the expensive colorless cards are in a format you're new to is a stupid question
I guarantee you're a faggot irl

>>53086173
veil smasher and threaseos

whats everyones c17 predictions?

>>53086173
Bruse + Tana naya aggro is the one I run and one of the more popular ones. It's weak as wet paper to removal though and I don't know how to fix it (besides the obvious 1-shot of Heroic Intervention)

>>53086400
Isn't everything weak to removal

>>53086400
The answer to weakness to removal is more card draw

I want to spice up my Atraxa deck a bit. Been thinking Planeswalkers to add as generic good stuff but those seem dull.

What are some cheeky, cheap, unorthodox cards that can be pretty stupid, silly and fun with her?

Current list for reference:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-05-17-atraxa-wip/

>>53086430
Things with card draw and mana ramp are pretty resilient to removal.

>>53086380
Angels
Dragons
Merfolk
Gods

>>53086447
Which Naya doesn't have that much of, unless I get lucky with landing a Shamanic Revelation or a Skullclamp.

>>53086447
>>53086475
Both of which are only useful before the wipe, I should add

>>53086380
4 tribes present in every color.

Humans
Angels
Elementals
Atogs? Can't think of a fourth.

>>53086475
>Harmonize
>Fruit of the First Tree
>Keen Sense
>Sixth Sense
>Staff of Nin
>Reforge The Soul
>Wheel of Fate

All inexpensive ($ wise) cards that can save the game for you. Fruit of the first tree overperforms constantly lol, it's SO good.

>>53086573
>Fruit of the First Tree
At least recommend Momentous Fall instead of jank garbage like that

>>53086520
Angels aren't in every color.

I say Slivers, Dragons, Angels, Elves.

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>>53085540
>Anyone run decks that revolve around blowing shit up?

blows up literally everything and replaces it with eldrazi

>>53086627
Are you retarded? You play it on THEIR big guy and when it dies draw at least 5 cards. He's playing a token deck, Momentous Fall is shit for him.

>>53086573
Almost everything you've listed is either too slow or dies to creature removal since they're auras. Wheel effects only serve to reload other players' boardwipes.
>>53086627
>Momentous Fall
>in a voltron deck full of small critters

>>53086689
>Angels aren't in every color
There are White (most of them), Black (all fallen angels), Red (all angry/war angels), Green and Blue (the Alara angels as well as Sigarda/Bruna) Angels. They are represented to some extent in every color.

>>53086380
Humans
Eldrazi (colored)
Saprolings/Fungi
Constructs (colorless)

>>53086738
>play Fruit on buffed up Tana
>Tana gets wiped, gets put into commander zone
>draw 0 cards and lose an aura
clap

>>53086746
>too slow
>edh
pick one dunce.

Staff of Nin is an auto include in ANY deck that doesn't have black or blue. It NEVER gets targeted, so should they not happen to be dropping vandalblast or bane of progress to deal with other shit, you're getting an extra card every turn for the rest of the game and an extra damage to deal with mana dorks or just hit them in the face every turn, for 6 mana. It's legitimately an amazing card in EDH.

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>There are players on Cockatrice/XMage who actually play this
How is it not banned yet fucking hell

>>53086769
Eldrazi unfortunately won't happen. They have too much story relevance and their only characters are the Titans, which are either dead or bound to the moon and are all pure colorless mana.

>>53086779
Why would you play it on Tana?

>>53086779
I play it in my Sidar Kondo deck and just put it on him, the next time someone plays a board wipe I get 5 life + 5 cards for 4 mana. Worth it all day long.

>>53086738
>>53086779
Okay misread at first. Assuring the big guy dies is inconsistent though, since the deck's removal consists of targeted exile.
>>53086787
How often do you play EDH?
>>53086804
Because either there are big critters around and she struggles to do something or I buff her above the rest and then she does something.
>>53086834
Getting put into command zone is a replacement effect, so unless you bin him into the graveyard you don't get anything.

>>53086790
it's only 90$ in italian
how i got mine

>>53086738
>You play it on THEIR big guy
Sac in response, cast removal in response, let it apply and then exile/bounce/flicker it, let it apply and destroy the enchantment etc.
Also it doesn't even work with commanders if you take them to the command zone.

>>53086799
While I agree with you, I was actually thinking of post-Rise of the Eldrazi/pre-Battle for Zendikar Eldrazi era where the three titans were freed from their prison.

The titans seems to be able to use colored spells at this time so giving one of three titans a (multi)color identity could work. But yeah, it's going to be forced.

>>53086862
I bought a guitar for $90

>>53086136

Null profusion is a powerful card, but I generally wouldn't cast it unless I expect to win that turn

>>53086787
>It's legitimately an amazing card in EDH.
Calm down there, slugger. Red's wheels and green's creature-based draw will outperform Staff of Nin in most decks. It's a good low budget card, but I wouldn't call it amazing.

>>53086879
I play interesting Instruments

>>53086790
Because Sheldon plays blue decks.

>>53086879
This is my logic every time someone asks me why my most expensive edh deck is $80.

>I could go buy a REALLY nice guitar for how much your gay ass deck costs, so no, I don't want your gay ass deck. I get by just fine without the preators and planeswalkers.

>>53086922
>having more than one
for why?

>>53086879
Ur mum gave me the ol rimmy jimmy for 90$

>>53086935
More than one guitar? Because one is for blues and the other is for progressive nonsense.

>>53086922
>spending 1000$ on magic
>spending 1000$ on a gutair
if you are under 30 spending any amount of money on a hobbie is pathetic and stupid

go travel stupid ass, live life with that kind of money

>>53086969
just retune it
waste of money

>>53086978
>Implying I have $1,000 to spend on either
Would sure be nice, Anon.

But yeah, no, I'm 26 and I have two $300 guitars and three $60-90 decks that all get the job done just fine.

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>>53085540
God I would bomb the fuck out of Titania's carpet. If you know what I mean.

>>53086978
What if traveling doesn't interest me?

>>53086879
nice trash can gutair
>top tier card 90$
>shitty gutair 90$

least the low end of magic is .5 cents for card

>>53087004
then you're either
1. a nerd
2. too poor to do it and convinced yourself you hate it

>>53087014
The funny part is that you think 1% of a deck is worth 100% of a guitar.

>>53087014
>top tier card
>90$
Oh didn't realize we were in the standard general

>>53087002
I don't know what you mean.

>>53087029
t. Upper class white college girl

>>53087014
I can scribble a bunch of stats on a piece of hard paper, slot it in a sleeve and have it be equally playable as a $90 card. Can you say the same about a guitar?

>>53087029
>not being a nerd
Why are you here normie?

>>53087034
>mana drain isn't the best counterspell besides FOW
explain

>>53087029
>/tg/
>nerd
What did he mean by this?

>>53087060
>(((counterspells))

>>53087060
Well Misstep is the best counterspell.

>>53087084
>letting people do what they want and watching people win
t. green player

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>>53086978

>being born poor

>>53087055
You don't want to go get raped by Muslims in Germany/France/Sweden/UK/etc? Weird.

>>53087029
DESU I've traveled quite a bit and it kind of bothers me
>Go to Coliseum
>Fat white American tourists and greasy wops trying to sell me shit
>go to Eiffel Tower
>Fat white American tourists and disgusting sand niggers trying to sell me shit
>Go to see the cathedrals of Spain
>Fat white American tourists and sweaty moops trying to pickpocket me
>Go to see Grand Canyon
>Fat white and Mexican American tourists peeing on donkeys and sucking each other off
Tbh there's literally no place I would rather live or be or see or travel to than my beautiful home in Alberta Canada

>>53087029
Fuck travelling. Every country I've been to besides Ireland, everyone was a fucking asshole. Traveling is good once in a while, but most countries are completely shit tier.

I'd rather spend my money on a hobby I enjoy than on spending a week with stuck up French assholes.

>>53087106
>I'm so rich I can invest money, where do I put that cash?
>I know let's spend it on overpriced cardboard by some wizard kikes

>>53087163

>I'm so poor I think $1,000 is an investment

Holy shit your life must be terrible.

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>>53087152
>Every country I've been to besides Ireland, everyone was a fucking asshole.

If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.

>>53087191
That's thrice the minimum monthy wage here, why should I spend it on cards?

>>53087106
i make 90k a year and i wont pay that much for a deck either because its fucking retarded to spend a grand on fucking cardboard

honestly if you pay over $200 for a deck you are ann idiot

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>>53087225

>90k

>>53086380
goblin wizards
merfolk dragons
zombie snakes
angel spirits
Each box will be 4 color
each box will have two legends and a commander pw. The commander walker
will be multi color and be auxiliary famous walkers that are still alive, ie rakdos tibalt
The "red" deck wont have chaos warp or blood moon and will be aimless
They will reprint krosan grip in the "blue" deck because it will be pushing simic
The other two decks will be what you'd expect but will both have mutavaults and this will upset merfolk players because the merfolk deck wont have a mutavault
A new goblin will give all non permenant spells you control conspire
A new angel will be an updated version of corvax
A new zombie will support a proliferate theme but also will have drs' ability to eat spells from the gy to drain. It will also have a ghetto regenerate.
A new dragon will allow you to reassign blockers but the ability will be tragically overcosted. It will also have haste.
None if these cards will synergize with the precons but will make sense with one of the commanders.

>>53087191
Found the trust fund 16 year old who has literally no idea what money is.

>>53087208
You've never been to France or Turkey have you?

>>53087294

If you knew what money was you wouldn't be crying on 4chan that other people are rich :^)

>save 2 dollars a day for a year
>buy a Gitrog deck
>people laugh at my shitty budget deck
Feels fucking bad.

>>53087106
>being stupid with money

>>53086879
>>53087029
What the fuck are these normalfaggots doing on /tg/?

>Y-yeah, well trading cards are a waste of money
>he says
>while posting in
>EDH GENERAL
Go play those two chords you memorized to your bloated hipster girlfriend

>>53087380

>be so poor you think other people can't afford to have fun

What is the best commander for a big group?

>>53087392
Playing trading cards != spending your mom's meticulously whored up money on overpriced foil indonesian gaea's cradle for a casual format

i want to play a deck that forces draws
is this possible
draws as in everyone loses

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>>53087436
t. poorfag
>tfw I exile my mana drain to cast force of will

>>53087441
Blue kami
Alternatively, Nekusar if you're fine with converting draws into damage

>>53087420

Idk about best but I like purphoros

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>>53087420

Something female, for the extra hole.

>>53087441
Divine Intervention, Hurricane, and Earthquake all do this.

>>53087420
>>53087471
Selvala.

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>>53087455
>tfw both are banned in my playgroup

>>53087125
>going to tourist attractions
this is your own fault anon

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>>53087481

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>>53087481
>having a group that's somehow more casual than Sheldon's tard squad

>>53087481
sounds like a shit play groop
kys

>>53087441
>>53087457
And now I read your full post and realize what you're actually asking
Maybe try Hidetsugu

>>53087106

It is absolutely 100% RETARDED to spend $1,000 dollars on a magic deck. I have four Warhammer armies and if I spent more than $100 on a single deck of cards I would ask my wife to euthanize me, and she probably would because she would realize the man she fell in love with is dead.

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>>53087455
>tfw proxies are allowed

>>53087420
Gay Kings.

>>53087521

If your family ever needs some extra money, I'll pay $1,000 to fuck your wife in the ass. I know she isn't worth it, but I feel sorry for you so I don't mind overpaying.

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>>53087549
>>53087481
>tfw you play at a game store with no proxies and no house rules
>shitters complaining about muh budget and netdecking as you crush them into dust

>>53087598
>being pathetic enough to pay more than 500$ on a deck
i didn't know i was on /r9k/

>>53087032
The saddest part is you think a guitar is worth anything

>>53087521
It's retarded to spend money on most things besides basic necessities really. And don't give me the "cardboard" excuse, you can ridicule anything in that manner, you can ridicule a car for being just a bunch of metal.

I assume you have a TV? That's badly spent money too, seeing as a PC does basically the same thing and more. Do you own movies? Games? Books? All of those can easily be gotten for free on the internet, so that can be seen as a waste of money as well.

If you'd truly count up everything, most people are surrounded by the fruits of misspent money. But all of this is irrelevant, all that's relevant is that the buyer does not regret his purchase.

Spending money on mtg is also not the worst thing you can do, since cards will often retain their value or go up in time. If you want out, you can sell easily.

>>53087032
Unless you're actually extremely good, what's a guitar gonna do for you? It won't make you any money, it's just a useless hunk of junk that makes noise, why even spend a single dollar on it?

>>53087598

Money is not a problem for us. Like I said, I have 4 warhammer armies.

You seem to think that people with a lot of money have no problem with spending four figures on pieces of cardboard with dragon pictures on them to impress the local NEET community at the game store.

I play EDH with a big group, and the person with the most expensive deck is the jobless autistic fatass who lives with his parents. My girlfriend played with his deck once. When I told her how much it cost later, seeing the mixture of pity and disgust play over her features was divine.

Anyone have a comprehensive list of white/black tax cards? If possible, include odd stuff like Cleansing and Koskun falls.
I'm building -something- Orzhov and I'd like some unexpected tricks.

>>53087636
>pc in front room
>torrent all games
>cockatrice
>don't waste money

nicu

>>53087636

I don't own a tv, but I see your point about retaining value.

>>53087253
200 in one setting? Or are you saying that my crafted decks that are over 4 years old and have improved over those years have made me an idiot?

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>>53087646
>my girlfriend
>this normie complaining about the price of magic cards
Jesus, /tg/ has gone downhill

>>53087649
that one asshole from kaladesh is a good commander for it

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Newfag here

Looking to make an all-white casual deck with a military theme, like pic related. Any suggestions?

>>53087636
You can't drive any bunch of metal though, if that were the case then the argument for "car being just a bunch of metal" would be far more widespread. Meanwhile you could literally print the cards on paper and the game would play the exact same as with the originals, except your deck would cost 5 cents instead of 5 grand.

>>53087695
Either Odric or either Thalia tbqh.

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>>53087646

>wife
>girlfriend

Both, or is your story just changing as you desperately try to sound cool on an anonymous image board for weaboos?

Also

>Warhammer
>in 2017
>complaining about what other people spend money on

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>>53087695
both odrics

>>53087697
And you can't play magic the gathering with regular cardboard, and nobody would want to play with you if you'd print the cards on paper, proxies are already a hot issue. I could go on like this forever, you all act as if there's some line in the sane that distinguishes some kind of objective "value" than any object has, but there isn't. When all humanity is dead, those objects lose all their value, the only thing that grants them value is the fact that we grant value to them, our emotions and feelings.

If someone bought a regular piece of paper for 5000 dollars, but it made him happier than anything else, happier than the general person is after they spent 5000 dollars on leisure, who is then the fool? Him, or the one criticizing him?

>>53087732

Both.

and yea I get you about the warhammer thing. I make money off of commission painting though. And I paint with my wife. And painting is, ostensibly, a skill.

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shit this card is dope

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>>53086380
I just want mono-color partners, that's not too much to ask is it?

>>53087757
Value is derived from utility and difficulty of acquisition, which includes scarcity. If scarcity is as easily manipulable as just printing a new set of cards, then it's far from insane to call such an item overpriced.

There is no objective quantification of "happiness" so that one's a fallacy. If he can't pay his rent because he spent 5000 dollars on a piece of paper that he felt emotional over, is he not a fool?

>>53086173
Tana and Silas with unblockabe or wide saps with artifact equipment. Super aggro heavy but with actual counter spells and burn for board control.

>>53087854
> If scarcity is as easily manipulable as just printing a new set of cards, then it's far from insane to call such an item overpriced.

Reserve list

Also I agree, I have a hard time spending more than 20$ on anything that's not reserve list. The stuff that is though... You realize even if you blow 300$ on an underground sea it's going to gain a few hundred dollars in a few years instead of depreciating, right?

>>53087854
You are introducing new variables. Obviously, like I've said, your basic necessities need to be provided for (although, one could argue that if something makes you sufficiently happy to forego basic necessities, or even to be willing to die, what's saying that he's an idiot? Happiness is not objective, indeed, but if someone feels happy enough to be able to die for it, are they wrong? If they have no regrets, are they wrong?)

I don't think value is derived from utility and difficulty of acquisition. I watched the Shawshank Redemption a few years ago. In my opinion it's the greatest movie ever made, and it's an experience that I value immensely. There is no utility, it's just a feeling of fulfillment after seeing what I consider a masterpiece. There's no scarcity either, I could watch this movie whenever I want, for no cost. Yet I don't consider it to be of little value, am I wrong to think so?

I don't think happiness and fulfillment play by the rules of the market.

>>53087649

I want to make a multiplayer deck and it have black in it, what are some suggestions for a commander to play? I also like playing combo if that helps.

>>53086400
Put in Conquerors Flail. Great buff for Tana and lets you get your turn done without any fuckery.

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Post your favorite commanders and the name you use for their deck and we try to guess the strategy
>Slobad that it's good

>>53088186

Be so autistic people concede to get away from you.

>>53088153
sidisi or jeleva sound right. If you wanna dial the combo back to a more rounded controling/midrange deck that still can combo play nekusar or a vialsmasher deck.

>>53088222
DING DING DING

>>53088186
>Hungry Hungry Jund.

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>>53085540
>Anyone run decks that revolve around blowing shit up?

My Squee deck is board clears and wheels. I blow up creatures and then I blow up hands. I frequently mill people out. There are a couple eldrazi and artifact combos as backup.

>>53088318
Karrthus sac?

>>53088332
That sounds pretty neat, do you have a list on TappedOut?

>>53088339
excuse the autism, I meant Prossh

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>>53086173

It's just Grixis goodstuff with a token focus. I really just wanted to play Nicol Bolas, PW.

I think Kraum is really underrated. A haste/evasion commander that can draw you cards.

>>53087601
I wouldn't even play at my current store if they had any house rules. I have no idea why people tolerate house bans.

>>53088339
>>53088363
Correct! Prossh with lots of token generation for assorted reasons. fodder for Skullclamp/Beastmasters Ascension, boosting Champion of Lambholt to Obscene P/T and so on.
My favorite is people inexplicably leaving Dragon Broodmother alone and/or not realizing that she spits out a dragon EVERY turn.

>>53088351
No, sorry. The deck would honestly be better if I just made Darretti the commander instead of just in the 99.

It's a ton of artifact ramp, as much library manipulation as possible (Top, Scroll Rack, fetches, etc), all the wheels, Eldrazi to cycle my graveyard, and as many basics as possible to activate Valakut. Also some boardwipes like Blasphemous Act and Ugin.

It's definitely the most controlling monored deck I've seen. It sometimes gets blown out by a Bane of Progress or similar effect, though.

Skullclamp + Squee is straight value, though.

>>53086173
>Thrasios + Kydele
Simic control that can close a game using Eldrazi, Labman, or Season's Past. Pretty degenerate

>Ravos + Tymna
Orzhov tokens/aristocrats. Really, really grindy. It can do some really dirty stuff like looping Yosei every turn using Ravos's ability.

Anyone know how much I should sell 8 fat packs full of card? One is lands, another multicolored and unique lands and the last artifacts and colorless cards.

>>53088579
10 bucks, best I can do. Email it to my address.

>>53088579
It could be worth hundreds of dollars or so worthless that you'd have to pay someone to take off your hands. It just depends if you have any good cards at all in there.

>>53088612
You sir can lick my asshole counterclockwise until I give my leave to stop.

>>53088643
Good website to find prices?

>>53088654
tcgplayer gives you a good estimate of what a card is worth. You can check ebay to generally see the lowest prices a card is selling for.

I like using magiccards.info for checking a bunch of cards because the site is super lightweight, it pulls its prices from tcgplayer anyways, and the cursor always appears in the search bar after each load. Makes it quick to type in a bunch of different cards in succession.

If you try to sell them to a store, realize you're going to get significantly less than what you could sell them for on your own. But selling to a store is about a thousand times easier.

>>53085927
Why are you playing Kozilek instead of Scion of the Ur Dragon, Breya or Atraxa?

>>53088733
>Shitty dragon that's not very similar to Kozilek at all and ends up playing the same way every game
>meme
>bigger meme

Do people speculate on the new decks here, or does that happen in a different thread?

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>>53088398

Oh cool a Prossh deck! Do you have a list, I've always wanted to see a prossh deck but no one seems to play him!

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>>53085740
anon do i have the commander for you

>>53089063
You can speculate all you want, but it's kind of old news. We know that there is going to be 4 decks, so people trying to figure the tribes out by color is stupid. People will also hope for their pet tribal decks to pull through, even though we already know this shit isn't going to cephalids or squirrels.

The best thing I can think of is that each deck is going to have a major "race" tribal (like merfolk) and a major class tribal (like wizard). And the creatures in the deck will all be mostly merfolk wizards, with a different commander for merfolk and a different commander for wizards, to choose which theme you want to stick with most.

>>53089186

Yeah. I think at least 2 of them are going to be some of the obvious contenders. I hope at least one of them doesn't win by swinging x amount of the deck's creature type.

>>53089144
Explain

>>53089290
>I hope at least one of them doesn't win by swinging x amount of the deck's creature type.

What are you honestly expecting then? Every edh precon they have pumped out wins swinging x amounts of creatures, unless you count wins of durdles til people deck themselves.

I want to know what you possibly think the decks could be doing other than attacking with creatures, and since they are tribal decks of course they will share a creature type.

>>53087666
yes

>>53087521
I always hear this retarded argument about 'cardboard'

Truly plato's cave in /tg/ form

>>53089119
nigga you what

Probably because he's so streamlined and effective that he bores people.

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>>53086400

>>53087695
Old odric is really good for that theme.

>>53089372

well the U/R decks usually win via spells. Mostly I just don't want it to be the type of full aggro deck a lot of tribal sort of winds up being. Like goblin, merfolk, soldier, even elves a little. "Play a bunch of this creature and then make them bigger and then swing to win."

Wizards seems like an alright tribe for something like this, though there are probably lots of options.

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>>53085740
ever want to draw your whole deck out as a win on but not be in blue?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/591294#paper

>>53085740
when wizards was fun, red was the chaos color

>>53086475
Overwhelming Instinct If you go wide
Skullmulcher, to wrath yourself before they wrath you
Tireless tracker, for landfall
Zendikar resurgent, if you also want to double your mana

>>53086689
Please, elves have been supported to death at this point. The Frealyse deck from a few years ago was basically an elf deck.

>>53089454
>well the U/R decks usually win via spells.

The only UR deck they popped out had a single cometstorm in it for ways to kill players that wasn't swinging with creatures.

I think you are trying to see something that hasn't existed.

>>53087695
Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon" if you don't mind a Chinese general

>>53087819
This desu

>>53089613
My guesses are goblin soldiers, merfolk wizards, dragons (five color, so people don't bitch that the cycle was never finished), and the mystery box. I don't know what the mystery box holds. Could be zombie clerics, or elvish druids, or something like angels.

>>53089791
These would be the easiest and most likely, but I hope they support the underdeveloped tribes, like birds or knights.

>>53087765
Are you Finnish my any chance?

To the naya anon, if you're trying to play lots of creatures but find yourself getting shut down by wraths, I have some suggestions

Ghostway and eerie interlude are pretty effective and in my experience they are better than something like heroic intervention, main reason being that in my meta, cyc rift and toxic deluge, all is dust and Ugin are pretty much the only wipes I see, even when decks run other wipes they tutor for those very often. The other reason is that ghostway and eerie interlude can be absurd, game winning value sometimes, and they combo with eternal witness or Greenwarden of Murasa for pseudo infinite board wipe protection

Speaking of Greenwarden, he's great against wraths, naya isn't the best at drawing cards, but it has pretty excellent recursion options, and that can function in a similar way to let you overwhelm your opponents with card advantage, Reveillark sun Titan and karmic guide are particularly good for this, all 3 also happen to be excellent with ghostway and eerie interlude

As for card draw, shamanic revelation and the like are decent but as you said, it can be tricky to find the right time to use them, given that you need to fire them off before the wipe. One tip I can give is to not get greedy, sometimes a shamanic rev for 3 cards is the right play, especially if you smell a wrath about to come down

Another tip is to run lots of etb dorks like rec sage and flame tongue kavu, because they can receive anthems and counters do combat triggers and other naya related stuff, but you can also play them into board wipes, because you got your value already and you might just get more after a wrath of sun Titan and such are involved

>>53086903
"I heard you and your band sold your guitars for synthesizers. Cause you want to make something 'real', you wanna make like a Yaz record"

So dope bro join my didgeroo coven

>>53087125
>living in Alberta

It's shit. Take off that stupid cowboy hat too.

Do you prefer decks where the commander dictates the deck's strategy and it's all worked around them, such as Kemba, or do you prefer your commander to be far more open ended and loosely connected to the deck, like I dunno the original Drana?

>>53087420
Karona

>>53090272
I personally love general focused decks, because in my eyes the commander is what makes this format special. Nothing against the decks that don't revolve around the commander, just doesn't strike me as interesting.

>>53090272
I like when the commander determines the theme of the deck, makes everything more cohesive.
Although my Yidris deck is pretty far from that; cheap ramp, some combat and evasion buffs, with big spells to cascade with. .

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>>53090345
Same, I agree. I personally hate how so many 2 colored or mono decks look identical with all the staples. A more strict commander seems much more fun and personal.

Second question, do you believe Nicol Bolas finds those books to be well written and amusing, or does he maybe think they are dull and devoid of any literary art or technique?

>>53090363
I doubt Bolas finds any value in artistic merit in life anymore. For him, everything is a stepping stone to godhood.

>>53090384
nah, look at that fuckin nerd with his silly little armchair

>>53090384
I would imagine though, that those books are probably essays on esoteric philosophies and advanced physics. He seems quite content, he seems to be smiling. I think we can probably safely say he is enjoying his books in the end.

>>53090363
I like to think he enjoys reading like, shitty romance novels and its a big guilty pleasure of his.

>>53090272
There are so many legendaries that the commander usually can be tailored to work in your deck even as a one time cast. I havent seen a single edh deck that the gameplan went against the commander except for when I was new at magic.

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>>53090363
He doesn't have a chin spike. It's been an Egyptian fake beard piece all this time? How long ago exactly did they plan to do Amonkhet? It's like they knew. Vengeful Pharoe floating orb.

>>53090157
>playing what every other retard on the planet plays
yea kys

>>53090423
Aww

>>53090442
"Humans are a boring race. Can't I be a Draenei?"

>>53090437
Magic story used to be done 6 years ahead of time

>>53090454
projecting?

>>53090466
Hitting a nail.

>>53090466
You wish

>>53090472
You shouldn't aim for the finger, retard

>>53090491
Ha! Good one though.

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>>53090521
Wouldn't they have been much neater as sorcery dfc's?

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I'm sorry to have to ask this but can you delve your commander tax?

>>53090537
Yes

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>>53090537
yes. delve can pay for additional costs and tax effects. you can delve through sphere of resistance, for example.

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OK edhg question time.

Say we got a set far into the future, revolving around new walkers. These walkers are the children of preexisting walkers.

Would this "save" the current state of planeswalkers? Or at least freshen them up? Who's kids would you want to see, and what colors would they be?

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>>53090578
*whose

Sorry, it's late

>>53090578
Thats a fucking awful idea. Also mana preferences your body has are genetic or else urza couldnt have made gerrard so you can literally just slam the parents color identity together and get the identity of their kid.

>>53090578
Eh, I don't see a problem with the current 'walkers and giving them kids seems like a cheap reboot gimmick.

>>53090675
I'm pretty sure mana colors are based on personality, which can change over time.
Except for Urza. He was definitely WUBRG.

>>53090578
my problem is that two-set blocks are too short and we're following the same characters everywhere. the planes sort of blend together and i find myself less and less interested in the lore and story of a plane we visit because i know it's just another backdrop for 'walkers vs. phrexia/bolas/eldrazi

>>53090727
>walkers vs phyrexia
if only

>>53090755
just you wait, it's gonna happen somewhere in the next two blocks. i lumped them in because "generic big bad"

>>53090711
no, urza created gerrard through eugenics and all the oldwalkers were 5 colored but had mana preferences. Oldwalkers could be anything they wanted even. for example freylise wasnt even born as an elf she was just an elf supremacist who happened to be a shapeshifter god.

>>53090272

Depends, I've had fun doing both. The problem with a deck that revolves around the commander is that commanders can be killed. It was worse with tuck, but a lot of the time recasting your commander into a string of removal and wipes is not going to work, so your deck still has to work with your commander dying to some extent

On the other hand some commanders are incredible enablers like Zada or zur the enchanter, where building around is so valuable that you risk sometimes not being able to do much without your commander

>>53085540
>thread question
Most of my decks revolve around blowing my own shit up, really. That is if saccing counts. I like to steal other's permanents and sac those as well.

>>53089044
So, if you had infinite money you could play actually good decks, but don't because you're still a pleb.

>>53091799
Wisdom

>>53087029
>not having your company pay you to travel
how's daddy's cock you stupid bitch

>>53091799
>>53089044
>>53088733
>>53085927
I just wonder who the fuck still wants to play Kozilek, Atraxa or Scion. All of them are boring as hell

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>>53090363
I think that wizards accidentally swapped the art for Bolas and Arcades.

>>53092198
Na bolas looks sneaky as fuck and is delving through ancient tomes. Sabboth looks like an edgy upstart, which was the 90s aesthetic

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No wonder Bolas was the only elder dragon to survive. All the rest are garbage. Arcades is a fatass, Chromium just has rampage and isn't even an artifact creature, Palladia is an angry baby, and Vaevictis is just :U and doesn't even know what's going on.

Meanwhile Bolas is chilling with the wordiest text box, best ability, and longest wingspan out of all of them and is the only one not being an edgelord. He's cool, calm, collected, and a nice green sheen unlike Vaevictis who's the color of mold.

I feel like I should hang up a public service announcement poster at our LGS to stop falling for Tempt with Discovery. Christ.

>>53085740
Assuming that by aggro/burn you mean Purphoros and goblin decks, sure red does have more than that. For combo you can look at Zada and Hidetsugu. Control is a bit trickier, but Daretti lists often classify as such.

>>53090527
Cards can't be face-down in a graveyard.
The solution they chose isn't aesthetically pleasing but it is the most elegant one.

>>53090527
They should have just been normal split cards with aftermath on one half

So what can other color decks do about Simic counterspell spam? I already run that one 50 dollar land, but are there any other universal answers to counterspells?

>>53092128
I don't really think kozilek is boring. You jump through different hoops to cast him most games, and the amount of combo's you discover in monobrown just by playing is immense.

What's the best black creature removal these days?

I've always ran with ashes to ashes, reckless spite, cannibalize and more recently curtain's call. Anything else that's incredible value?

>>53086380

>>53093037
Run stuff that works from your graveyard.

>>53093068
Most of the Kozilek decks I've seen depend too much on him and can't function without him. They always have been just ramp into Kozilek and hope for the best. That said, the deck always folded to Nevermore, so I probably just have been playing with tards.

>>53093243
Being in monobrown and all, you'd be stupid not to put an infinite mana combo outlet in your kozilek deck. While a nevermore is tough, it doesn't disable it (or at least not mine). Something like walking ballista or goblin cannon is kind of a must in my opinion.

>>53093337
Yeah, but since he's a decent wincon by himself, the people get blinded and add no other wincons, because people don't think that they could be distrupted

>>53093123
You mean like flashback and aftermath? Most flashback cards are kind of meh for EDH usage. Reanimator is a crapshoot because they can just counter the reanimation spell.

>>53093243
I thought all eldrazi decks also run other titans and the Ugin/Karn walker package?

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What did you get in the mail today :^)?

>>53093363
Yeah, I could see how that could get boring. If you had ulamog or emrakul as your commander I could kinda see that, but kozilek is just as vulnerable as any other creature (although I guess that nüzilek is a little less vulnerable than oldzilek)

>>53093423
Master's Course entry invitation. Well, it was yesterday but I didn't pick my mailbox until today.

>>53093371
Are you playing multiplayer or 1v1? Counterspells are usually pretty bad value in multiplayer. In 1v1 you have to outvalue them somehow. More small spells instead of big ones, activated abilities, triggers etc.

>>53090272
The best is when the commander dictates the deck's strategy BUT the deck works even without the commander.

I started off with Grixis Marchesa and built the deck entirely around her, but people caught on and just counterspelled or removed her before I could get online and it became a durdly mess.
Nowadays it's more focused on traditional reanimation and strong ETBs and it's a lot more fun to play. It still has a bunch of cards that synergize with the commander in particular, but those cards also function well without her.

>>53090578
What the fuck? Get out of here with your autistic shit. The Gatewatch fucking each other does nothing to improve the awful design.

>>53093720
Can I see a list?

>>53090578
>Time skip as a solution to a shitty stale story
Get the fuck out with your stupid anime tropes

>>53093747
Sure. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marchesa-sacrifice-and-reanimation/
Check out the custom categories if you want a detailed overview of what does what.

Guys my dad works at Wizards and I got to see the new commander for the surprise tribal deck

WUBRG
Legendary Creature - Shapeshifter
Changeling
Each creature you control gets +1/+1 for each creature type it has
1/1

Hey guys, Legacy player here, I was curious what you all thought about the changes to the Magic Online Commander banned/restricted list?

Seems like some bullshit to me that they'd ban Zur and unban Leovold, plus getting rid of longtime format staples like Sol Ring. Then again it's just 1v1 Commander, I don't know how popular that is, or if anyone here cares about MTGOnline.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/magic-online-commander-changes-and-what-it-could-mean-for-all-of-us

>>53093993
no one gives a shit about 1v1

>>53093993
I'd enjoy a ban of fast mana rocks and some of their other bans also make sense (E.g. Necropotence, Food Chain). But fuck ever unbanning a single one of the cards it would unban.

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where can i buy good fakes

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>check mail
>open all the stuff
>one of these things is not like the others
>check order
>one place totally sent me the wrong fucking land

should i attempt to send this back or should i just be a dick bag and tell TCGplayer it never came and get my money back?

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Who's the best Commander for a tax/mafia/orshov deck?

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>>53094241
i like this guy

>>53093993
Mana Crypt and Sol Ring need to be banned.
But banning stuff like Humility and Back to Basics? Nah fuck that people need to learn to run answers.

>>53094241
Mafia? There's no other options for that other than Godfather Karlov

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>>53090437

They knew it all along.

>>53090272
i dont really see the point of commander if your deck doesnt revolve around the commander or the commander doesnt play a major role

I wanna build WB incremental lifegain + "each opponent loses x life" sort of deck. Ayli and Karlov are out of the question, since a guy in my meta has optimized decks of those already.

Is Obzedat actually good? Are there any good options for what I want in WBx? Partners?

>>53087002
That's a good way to lose your lands.

>>53087002
>>53094551
a buddy of mine used that card once and i just wrathed the turn after. he immediately scooped and took the card out of his deck. shit was funny as fuck

>>53094523
Commander should have to do with something your gameplan or should be decent value, but a deck should never be dependant on the commander. If a deck can't function without a commander, it's a bad deck, no matter how strong the interactions are with the commander

>>53093903
Well now I want to know how many creature types there are.

>>53094527
Oloro you fuckbag.

>>53094585
i used to think that but now that the tuck rule doesnt exist anymore i see no point in not having your commander be the star of the show. its EDH, i have like 20 mana on turn 5, the odds of me actually not being able to cast it and protect it is slim. if you cant keep your commander out you might need to get better at deck building so you can have some answers to removal

>>53094645
My answer to removal is playing more spells.

t. G

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>>53094631
Yeah but Oloro is really popular and I wanna at least be a bit of a special snowflake

>>53094645
>i have like 20 mana on turn 5
BAN FAST MANA

>>53094681
Obzedat, Kambal, Orzhova, Atheros.

Or just play Oloro.

>>53094378
>vengeful Pharaoh
Seems spicy in Lazav, I bet most of the time people won't even know that he's in your graveyard.

>>53094241
queen marchesa

>>53086738
>not putting it on your 0/7 wall in a doran deck
pleb.

>>53085540
I need the most powerful Jeleva list.
that make my opponent cry in terror of being stormed out

>>53094588
235 as of Kaladesh according to the mtg wiki

>>53094169
Ching chong google more

>>53086452
Shameless, very late self-bump.

>>53094878
Here you go buddy :^)
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeleva-hands-out-useful-permanents/

Give me a FUN and UNIQUE

>>53095093
Commander

>>53086173
Sidar Kondo of Jamuura and Kraum ludevic's. The deck is mostly just token stuff, but Kraum is a reliable card draw machine early on if I don't draw more card draw spells. And Sidar Kondo is a nice general for tokens for small stuff + the "don't hit me" effect is cool

>>53095093
>>53095112
_____FUN__
__UNIQUE_______

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>>53095093
>>53095130

>>53085676

Is this just a meme deck or does it actually work?

>>53095093
>>53095130
Fun is just a buzzword when you can't actually think of any real reasons as to why the commander is good, don't use it.

>>53095209
>"OK I'm going to cast control magic on ashling"
>"OK In response I scoop it up"

>>53095209
T1, Mountain.
T2, Mountain, Ashling.
T3, Mountain, 1 counter on Ashling.
T4, Mountain, 3 counters on Ashling.
T5, Mountain, 5 counters on Ashling.
T6, Mountain, 8 counters on Ashling, Ashling deals 8 damage to everything including itself and dies.

What do you think?

This may be a retarded question, but what's the point of playmats when the people who tend to have them also already double-sleeve their cards?

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>>53095282
Are you assuming nobody else around the table will play anything for 6 turns?

>>53095336
Given that that's literally your best case scenario, yes.

>>53095316
It's to prevent cards from sliding around mostly. Also it's usually easier to pick up your cards from a playmat than a flat table.

>>53095316
Sleeves are made to move around easily but not slip on playmats. If you're sleeving your cards you should be using a playmat.

>>53093993
almost every single ban list change is something i had been hoping for, for a long fucking time. there are problems, but they've already shown themselves 250% more competent than that piece of useless fucking genetic garbage called sheldon

sol ring/mana crypt/friends should have been banned a long ass fucking time ago, as well as a fair amount of the other degenerate bullshit enablers

the only thing I'm mildly salty about is entomb because that was a hell of a utility card in fair decks, but I can live without it. I'm going to push for everyone at my store to follow the MTGO list from now on, FUCK the rc those stupid fucking ass holes

>joined a Facebook edh group for connecting to players after I moved.
>yes I fucking know
>it was much worse than I expected
>I thought /tg/was bad at magic
>these guys didn't even compare
>hundreds of posts that were all answered with "read the card"
>polls about unbanning prophet of kruphix
>don't even get me started on the MGO banning. Especially when the spergs thought their Rings and Crypts got banned.
I will never leave again /edh/

>>53095565
edhg is pretty awful but its definitely not the worst place out there. honestly there are only really like 3 posters who need to be removed for this place to be alrigt

How can I build a Derevi deck that is not oppressive?

>>53095771
Derevi and 99 Forests.

>>53095771
Build it with a bunch of evasive creatures similar to an Edric or Newzuri deck. Stay away from punishing stax effects. Or go derp and do flyer or wizard tribal.

>>53095662
Which 3?

>>53096024
that one guy who insists the only way to play EDH is to play 50 dollar poverty decks, the one guy who thinks the only way to play edh is to play $1000+ decks, and that one guy who constantly whines about sol ring literally all day every day like its his fucking job

>>53094551
Underrated post.

>>53086173
Sidar Kondo + Ludevic, run it as a hug deck, run assault formation and toughness buffs. Lots of 2 power share the wealth creatures. Tempt with vengeance is amazing in this.

>>53095093
Emrakul the Promised End

>>53089850
they specifically said it would be the most popular tribes

>>53085654
List?

>>53096241
Source?

>>53085927
Build Emrakul instead, it's more fun. Especially if you branch into stax.

>>53096335
>Yes, we are releasing four decks this year instead of the normal five, since this year's theme isn't based on the color wheel but some of Magic's most popular, and interesting, tribes!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-commander-2017-edition-2017-04-18

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>>53096384
ELVES AREN'T INTERESTING!!!

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>>53096527
On one hand I don't want them to make a fucking elf deck because the Wizards precons are always fucking everywhere and I don't need even more shitters playing elves in my life.
On the other hand Oracle needs a fucking reprint.

>>53096384
>Mono G elves because we didn't have that in 2014 and BG or BGW would be too interesting.
>Mono B Zombies, again because UB or UBW would be too interesting
>WR Soldiers
>BR Goblins

>>53096657
True enough

i dont really care what the tribe are in the new precons also long as there are no mono colored decks (unless it colorless, thats cool)

>>53096384
tribal is inherently uninteresting though

>>53096384
>W/U Spirits evasion
>U/B Faeries mill
>B/R Goblins fast aggro
>R/G Dragons aggro
>G/W Elves tokens

Choose one to get thrown into the trash /tg/

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>>53097005
Take three guesses, first two don't count.

>>53097005
Faeries. Fuck Oona.

>>53097005
>all allied colors
They're all already trash anon

>>53096384
WR Humans
WR Soldiers
WR Knights
WR Giants

I'M FUCKING CALLING IT

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>>53097177
>WR Giants
Done and done

>>53097175
Ally colors are the only set they haven't done yet though.

>5c elementals
>5c allies
>5c slivers
>5c atogs
calling it

>>53087029
>not having a tech job

its like you guys dont want unlimited money for hobbies

>>53097443
I don't want to feel like killing myself every second of the workday either

>>53096084
More like any people who thinks that only way to play EDH is like they play it. Like megascrubs say that infinites and competitive decks have no place in their safe space format and those people should play legacy instead and spikes say that casual players should go play standard instead. Seems like that the former are more common and spikes usually have no issues with stomping scrubs.

Same way that every idiot casual player seem to complain about cards not being banned that have no reason to be so, such as Iona being the most common one.
For fun games, playgroup should have somewhat equal decks powerwise, though.

>>53089144
I pulled her invocation in a draft today and really want to build a deck for her, but how do I build a deck for her?

>>53097786
I've said this like 5 times since Amonkhet was released to anyone who pulls a god/foil/invocation: sell it to standardbabbies and buy something actually useful

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>>53097301
A giant tribal deck with a voltron commander, yet they didn't think to include this guy?
What were they thinking?

>>53098159
They weren't even thinking when they made giants WR in the first place.

is Blue sun's Zenith worth it if you don't have infinity mana combos in the deck?

>>53098342
If you're base U, sure.